/Sa·Ga/

[Anonymous No.3410027]

Praise The Steel

Previous Thread is here:>>3314313
>Links
http://pastebin.com/ubT3r1z5
Romancing SaGa 3 Patch FAQ
http://pastebin.com/QeD1BR5q
FAQ for people new to the series
http://pastebin.com/kRbSg6PG
>Downloads
http://pastebin.com/E1V2hcfM
>News
Kawazu announced that SaGa Scarlet Grace is currently in debugging phase, more news and possibly a new trailer at TGS 2016 next month
http://gematsu.com/2016/08/saga-scarlet-grace-news-due-around-tgs-2016

[Anonymous No.3410354]

I was looking through my playstation games and realized that I had SaGa frontier 1 and 2. Which should I start? I remember at least one of these having problems...

[Anonymous No.3410375]

>>3410354
Play 1 first, if you're not familiar with the series.

I love both games, but 1 has a special place in my heart for both being a throwback to the Game Boy series, and for (despite being a rushed release and neutered because of it) having a very interesting setting.

If you like it, then move on to SaGa Frontier 2, but be advised it's a completely different game on nearly all counts. Still very enjoyable, and to this day one of the most beautiful 2D games I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.3410391]

>New thread

I should really give RS2 another swing. I guess now that it's been updated, maybe the translation will be a little better (though the real reason I stopped playing was cuz I got fucked).

[Anonymous No.3410414]

>>3410027
SaGa Frontier is better for beginners.
SaGa Fronter 2 requires more effort to not be a frustrating experience and it's really not a good choice for newcomers as it's way more strict in a lot of things.

They have little in common with each other though, so if you don't like one you can play the other and see if you like it more.
>>3410391
Whenever you need help just ask, it's one of the hardest games in the series, don't feel too bad about it.

[Anonymous No.3410447]

I hope the new SaGa game goes back to a sci-fi setting like in SF.

[Anonymous No.3410457]

>>3410447
Doubtful, but if there's another after Scarlet Grace, there may be hope.

I'd really just like a remake of Frontier with more weapon types (and associated waza), and the cut content in place. Even if it were mobile only or download only.

[Anonymous No.3410479]

>>3410447
So far it looks like it will have a medieval-ish/renaissance fantasy setting, that and the fact that gods will be as important as they were in the first Romancing SaGa.

Of course, this is SaGa we're talking about so it's totally possible there will be some sci-fi elements as well, but I wouldn't count on that judging by what little we've seen, maybe some automatons and steampunk stuff, but sci-fi might be a bit of a stretch.

[Anonymous No.3410486]

This is the only concept art image that looks vaguely robotic so far, but most insects have been depicted as robotic in a lot of concept art lately.

[Anonymous No.3411807]

>>3410486
robo-insects to eat robo-plants

[Anonymous No.3411923]

>>3410027

I noticed in the downloads pastebin in the OP that the Unlimited Saga OST is wanted. I can upload that if you guys want.

It is absolutely amazing.

[Anonymous No.3411967]

>>3411923
OP here, seems it slipped through my last update but we do have all of the games' OST now thanks to the guys who contributed in here, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, I'll fix that for the next thread.
Do check the download section though, we put up quite a lot of stuff, there's a good number of doujin albums as well.

[Anonymous No.3412001]

>>3411967
Fine by me, less work!

Time do download everything I don't have.

[Anonymous No.3412202]

Playing Romancing SaGa 2 made me remember this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPEHOS0qak

I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

[Anonymous No.3412913]

Talking about robots and sci-fi, you know who I'd like to see making a cameo?

Nacht Sieger.

Imagine casually strolling to the next city and suddenly getting run over by that.

Then you'll have to build the other Sieger, chase it in racing minigame and then fight it aboard of the other Sieiger once you get to, all with a rad Magical Tank Battle arrangement playing.
>>3412202
This is simply glorious.
brb downloading

[Anonymous No.3413354]

>Page 8 in less than 4 hours

/vr/ is becoming a tad too fast for these threads to keep up I'm afraid.
Anyway, I didn't know Sharl was so popular among female players, I thought they would go for Julian or Harid but judging from the huge amount of Sharl fanart I guess I was wrong.
Some of those crossovers are pretty funny too.

[Anonymous No.3413370]

Also just found out, Manabu Daishima, the man who also worked on Romancing SaGa's monster design recently died, he was just 45...

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/278776/Obituary_Square_Enix_graphic_designer_Manabu_Daishima.php

[Anonymous No.3413409]

>>3413370
Damn, that sucks

[Anonymous No.3413686]

>>3413354
Girls love a man with a silver hand.

[Anonymous No.3414036]

I came across this website with supposed "SaGa Frontier Restoration" patches, but it's Japanese so you know, hope you aren't a Gaijin.

http://www41.atwiki.jp/sagafrontier

[Anonymous No.3414689]

>>3414036
So what does it do

[Anonymous No.3415070]

Why is this game fucking impossible? I got to the fourth mission (I think, the one where you're drugged and brought before the pervert king guy) on Emelia's story and every enemy one shots. I know there's level scaling so there's no way I'm under-leveled. Am I playing this game wrong or something? This is beyond frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3415106]

>>3415070
Actually that part is a bit of a difficulty spike, as in I'm fairly certain the encounter level is higher than normal. It's not so bad if Asellus and White Rose are of a comparable strength to Emelia when she gets there, but if you power up too much before that it's almost a solo mission for her because the other two will get knocked out in one hit, it's that sort of thing.

There's another mission in the same complex, but in both cases the only time you have to fight is in the one battle where you pick up Asellus and White Rose.

No now that I think about it, I seem to remember there's a rather tough fight against some robots right outside the commander's room. At any rate, you can go and recruit Zozma after getting the other two, in one of the rooms in the complex he's disguised as a civilian or something. With all four of them contributing, you should be able to work out a strategy against whatever robots you end up having to fight. The worst case scenario is that you end up having to fight multiple R&Rs, in which case your only hope is to use MirrorShade/GlassShield and pray, while hopefully having some way of picking them off before they get you first, or else reload an earlier save and buy the (very expensive!) WonderBangle from Manhattan to give Emelia a 100% chance of blocking their railguns.

Emelia's last boss is also pretty scary, I recommend back up saves before traveling to any areas you might not be able to come back from.

[Anonymous No.3415119]

>>3415070
Did you just do Emelia's story-mission straight one by one or one or something?

Better equipment, usually by diving into certain dungeons, might help, that's a way to beat "level scaling"

[Anonymous No.3415135]

>>3415106
Alright that gives me a little more confidence but Jesus this is still gonna be frustrating since I've died on just the first fight twice.
>>3415119
That's another thing, I've spent a good hour so far just roaming the overworld and going to the different places. I've managed to get a couple characters and some magic and stuff but I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be doing most of the time. Are there any places/dungeons that it would be a good idea for me to check out?

[Anonymous No.3415185]

>>3415135
The two dungeons in shingrow are usually good just to run through and pick up all the treasures. Harmonium equipment is good to wear and the hyperscale and duelgun in the wrecked ship can be sold for money in scrap. There's also Mu's tomb and Sei's tomb in Shrike, the hide rune cave under koorong, the dragon horde on the shield card quest, furdo's gallery in magic kingdom, wakatu, luminous labyrinth and omble (you can only actually visit one, if you try to do the other your allies will pop out and go without you), the treasures at the lord's mansion in owmi (several you can pick up without even entering the dungeon), and in general every character will have some manner of areas unique to their quest with available loot

if you actually just search all the areas thoroughly, even without doing much fighting you can get enough gear and money to equip a full party

[Anonymous No.3415206]

>>3415185
Okay thanks for the tips, they are much appreciated. I'd only found the two tombs in Shrike so far and I got obliterated by a big fake chest in Mu's tomb and hadn't been back. Will try these out though.

[Anonymous No.3415221]

>>3415206
You do need to be on the appropriate magic quest to fully explore some places. In Mu's tomb there is the trapped treasure chest room, but that one room is the only room there that has a trapped treasure.

Not that those are the only trapped treasures in the game.

Speaking of Mu's Tomb, do not under any circumstances equip the Blood Chalice. It is thoroughly cursed.

Regardless, good luck and try your best!

[Anonymous No.3415574]

>>3415206
>I'd only found the two tombs in Shrike so far and I got obliterated by a big fake chest in Mu's tomb

Erry tiem.
I feel you Anon, we all went through that.
Can't wait till the other Anon reaches SaGa Frontier 2's Super Surprise vine lottery

[Anonymous No.3416181]

>>3415206

Fun fact: If you wait until the very end of your run, probably right around when you're ready to go on your final mission, that chest has a chance of spawning a late-game boss called MecGod. Should you be using a robot, you can win the TigerProgram from it, which is the legitimate strongest attack in the game + combos like mad.

[Anonymous No.3416194]

>>3416181
Actually MightyCyclone is stronger but Mecs can get CombatMastery and use the LordStar

[Anonymous No.3416195]

>>3416194

I never got MightyCyclone to combo with much. TigerRampage on the other hand will combo with basically anything. Christ, it'll sometimes connect to Tres fucking Flores.

[Anonymous No.3416208]

>>3416195
I think it's actually blizzard that only has the "snow" link up and won't combo with absolutely anything else.

MightyCyclone actually combos decently enough if you throw it into the typical Up/Down mega combos, so rather than like BoundShot or TigerRampage which can be used almost everywhere, it's more similar to RosarioImpale or LifeSprinkler, or maybe SkyTwister.

[Anonymous No.3416226]

>me back in the day
>oh let's see which one of my favorite classic Square series I can play on my PS2
>Unlimited Saga
>Dawn of Mana

>mfw

[Anonymous No.3416227]

>>3416226
>he doesn't like Unlimited Saga
I think they threw in the FFX-2 demo disc for people like you though?

[Anonymous No.3416463]

>>3415574
>Can't wait till the other Anon reaches SaGa Frontier 2

It arrived today. But my new memory cards were delayed for 2 weeks. The manual makes the game sound pretty complicated.
>The Chronicle begins with the birth of humanity ... The player will be able to move through the dates forward or backward
This is some Dwarf Fortress kind of shit.
>Having this feature creates an original history that is unique to each player.
Am I about to stumble into the most complex game of all time?

>there are certain situations where the opportunity to select an individual character and engage in a "Duel" combat will appear.
I will solo the entire game.

The manual also mentions some kind of combo-log but it seems to focus on talking about the Pocketstation. While teaching me how to use it, it also makes a note of mocking me because it's not for gaijin. I'll get my revenge.

In the mean time I'll just keep playing SF1.

[Anonymous No.3416592]

>>3416226
Unlimited: Saga is a game you can only truly appreciate and understand if you're deep in the series and you really like RPGs, it's a wonderful game far ahead of its time but in the same exact way Wizardry 4 is, it's only for the most patrician of patricians, mere mortals can rarely appreciate it and see the greatness of it.
The only mistake besides making it completely menu based, was not making it as the swan song of the series.
>>3416463
>>The Chronicle begins with the birth of humanity
That's not true, humans have been around since millennias already.
Basically, the game has a linear story, but you're free to progress through the storyline in a non linear way, mainly because the game has two different generations or familiies of characters that coexist and sometimes collaborate in the same world, but also because you can simply choose a scenario that might be further on in the future compared to other available scenarios and vice versa, on new game+ the game also unlocks all of the scenarios at the same time compared to the normal game in which you still have to unlock scenarios by completing others.
Needless to say, this can lead to pretty good sequence breaking potential and some nice challenges too, but it's better for you to first play the scenarios in chronological order as the story is kind of elaborated for SaGa standards and might become a bit confusing.
Not to mention, SaGa Frontier 2 drops the BR so each scenario has its own BR, progressing in a non linear way without knowing what you're going to fight against can be very frustrating, especially because the final boss is very tough and you'll need to plan your growth well enough, especially since you can't exit neither a story scenario nor the final scenario once you start them, so you'll have to maximize your growth when it's possible to do so.
Don't send Cody to the City of Night, you hear? Don't do it man

[Anonymous No.3417103]

>>3416463
>In the mean time I'll just keep playing SF1.

Asellus Route Spoilers

Trying all-mystics in Asellus's route. Most of us are barely at 400HP and we're at the end.
Bat Knight went down. A lot more exciting this time as we didn't steamroll him. And with Battle5 playing, it was a climactic showdown with Ciato.
Lion Princess was still easy as shit. How come she can learn sword techniques, anyway?
Giant was a BITCH. Eventually I figured out that he does GaleSlash every 3rd round, so I knew when to defend. Then I figured out some good 3 and 4 level combos and barely took him down.

Orlouge is a whole new mess. Last I checked I was at BR5, but I might have crossed to BR6. But if Gamefaqs is correct, both of those ranks put him at 75000 HP. If he is nice and doesn't keep petrifying us, I might whittle him down, but I don't know if I'll survive ThreeMistresses.

It's funny, from the start I planned on getting Asellus to learn RosarioImpale. Now that she has it, she's mostly doing DoubleSlash because it just seems to fit in with all of our combos.

[Anonymous No.3417106]

Finished Emelia's story in Saga Frontier. That 4th mission took me fucking forever but after that I checked out a bunch of the caves and side quests and stuff and stocked up on a bunch of good equipment and the rest of the game was manageable. Had to grind for like two hours to beat Diva though.

[Anonymous No.3417112]

>>3417106
So which ending did you get? Emelia has two. Who was your party at the end?

For me the hardest part about the Trinity Base is just that I always get lost. Even if I know where I'm supposed to go I just keep wandering in circles.

I like the way Diva comes into battle. The way the organ music is playing, and fades out as the high pitched whirring of Diva hovers down. Sends shivers down my spine.

[Anonymous No.3417118]

>>3417112
I got the ending where it's revealed Joker is Emelia's fiance and then it cuts on a still of a wedding, not sure if that's the good or the bad.

I didn't have that much trouble navigating, I just did a pretty basic sweep of the place and eventually ended up at the boss (and then got destroyed and had to grind for a while).

[Anonymous No.3417127]

>>3417118
I considered it the good ending anyway.
If you want the other ending, when you're investigating Baccarat, after you find Joker in the underground cave, explore the caverns a bit more and you'll find something special. Of course this would probably require replaying the entire route unless you kept a lot of saves.

[Anonymous No.3417128]

>>3417112
>>3417118
Oh yeah and my party was: Amelia, Roufas, White Rose, Annie, and Asellus.
Kind of unbalanced since I had one gun user, one support magic user and three sword users, but it worked okay.

[Anonymous No.3417129]

>>3417103
Giant gets rekt by GlassShield and JetBoots though. LionPrincess also can't learn sword techniques. It's more correct to say she just already knew them from the start since she used to be human.

Orlouge is tough but; he uses a lot of single target techniques and his main screen-wipe attack is one of the weaker. The main threat is status effects, and for that you can shut down his petrify attack with Rouge's PsychicPrison, but with a team of just Mystics, it'll probably be a good idea to get MagicHeal on everyone for Charm and equip them all with SnakeOil/Backpack foor petrify.

There's also the fact that TimeLord is a mystic.

Did you try Using TripleThrust/Headwind/RisingNova or anything else for combos instead? Not that I ever had a problem getting RosarioImpale to work into a combo with PhantasmShot/GriffithScratch/TigerRampage.

You do have TigerRampage on your mystics right?

Actually you could even just have Asellus use TigerRampage, barehanded fuck-your-shit-up Asellus is pretty rude. Huge stats with the scaling on MartialArts waza.

[Anonymous No.3417135]

>>3417128
That's pretty normal actually, though there's no particular reason not to have a gun user pull double duty and learn magic. At the very least, having two sword users to link up RisingNova and LifeSprinkler is common.

[Anonymous No.3417145]

>>3417129
>get MagicHeal on everyone for Charm and equip them all with SnakeOil/Backpack foor petrify.
I made sure all of my people have some kind of healing. Everyone has Starlight Heal, 3 of us have Magic Heal (And Liferain on one). Asellus has the backpack, just in case.

>GriffithScratch/TigerRampage.
Don't have those. I focused on absorbing Liches, my idea was that I'd teach everyone Realm Magic and do lots of chains with it, hoping the high Int from Liches would make it powerful. In the end, only Zozma uses realm magic.
My best combo so far is DeadlyPowder-Implosion-PhantasmShot-DoubleSlash. Anytime I use Rosario Impale, Asellus just decides to act on her own.

>There's also the fact that TimeLord is a mystic.
I wanted to avoid him this time because he made my previous runs too easy. Plus I also don't feel like completing Rune or Tarot quests. If I absolutely have to, I'll at least go teach some people TimeLeap or something.

>>3417128
You gotta get an all-chick party going. If every character's menstrual cycles sync up, they have a better chance at performing combos.

[Anonymous No.3417203]

>>3417145
You can get TigerRampage by absorbing a Kraken, Chariot, or DevilSquid(!) with MysticGlove, meaning you can technically get it very early.

You can get GriffithScratch from absorbing Dullahan, Gargantu, Thundragon, Genbu, Griffin, Ettin, Ankheg, Nidheg or BlackDragon with MysticSword, which means you can also get GriffithScratch independent of your Battle Rank. It's really up to you whether that's worth not using the MysticSword slot for MagicHeal instead though (Unicorn, Sporepile, Treant, SunFlower, WaterFolk, StraySheep, Sphinx, WhipJelly, LivingArmor, Sprite, Unidine, WormBrood).

In terms of using magic spells for single target, the ranking is:

Tower
PhantasmShot (as long as you get Cockatrice or Reaper, which is primarily dependent on your casting stats, with a set of full casting based mystic absorbs, should be almost always)
TimeEclipse
DarkSphere
Implosion
VaporBlast
Energy Chain
Saber
RavaShot

None of which except for Tower is stronger than MegaWindBlast, btw.

Actually, Graviton from the Mec's FortBody is almost that strong. Mecs are pretty much strongest race overall.

[Anonymous No.3417432]

>>3417145
>You gotta get an all-chick party going. If every character's menstrual cycles sync up, they have a better chance at performing combos.
Poor Orlouge, he'll have to deal with 8 menstruated women at a time, 3 of which are paintings.
>>3417203
>as long as you get Cockatrice or Reaper, which is primarily dependent on your casting stats
He could always use Rei for that without worrying about PhantasmShot's rolls, granny can cast all those spells freely with her own magic, that's all she's good for with her own magic.

[Anonymous No.3417506]

>>3417432
>He could always use Rei
I fucked up in recruiting her, I went to her chambers with Ildon and White Rose instead of just White Rose.

I can manage to do around 30000 damage, after which he starts doing 3Mistresses. I wasn't expecting him to do that until around 45000 or so. Perhaps if I conserved Mesarthim's Liferains until that point, and then every round do Liferain+MagicHeal on her, maybe I could get my other three people to perform some combos to finish him off. But if I'm right and he has 75000HP, I don't know if we even have enough WP/JP to do that!

Is this the best version of his battle theme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrDISOvAD0k All signs point to yes.

[Anonymous No.3417674]

>>3417506
>Is this the best version of his battle theme?
No.
http://vgmdb.net/album/12498

GOOD FUCKING LUCK finding earlier Levo Lution albums though

[Anonymous No.3417712]

>>3417506
I'm noticing things about Orlouge's battle with every failure. Is this correct?
Rightmost portrait: Makes the spirit do 2-3 attacks.
Leftmost portrait: Makes the spirit do a single, powerful attack.
Center portrait: Makes the spirit attack all.

I seem to remember the center portrait causing the white spirit to do PhantasmShot, but it hit my whole party.

If this is correct, it could be used, possibly. If you already had your magic users in the back row, and saw that the enemy is about to use a hit-all attack, maybe you could have them defend and not take so much damage.

[Anonymous No.3417732]

>>3417506

I've always liked this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXTeZuu-MJk

[Anonymous No.3418550]

>>3417506
>I fucked up in recruiting her
My bad, I completely forgot about your previous post, oh well, it happens.
>I don't know if we even have enough WP/JP to do that!
That's a dreadful feeling, when you have the stats but just don't have the fuel to push through, I hate it.

I myself prefer Itoken's arrangement of Asellus-Last Battle, though it's much busier than most arrangements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO_SMGmoZyE

Both Takrockers and Romancing Cyberbard are god tier bands, their SaGa albums are all great, I love the Cyberbard's remix of Ovation.

[Anonymous No.3418649]

>>3417712
It's probably better to consider the portraits as a graphical indicator of what phase the fights in

IIRC Orlouge is one of those bosses where each turn he proceeds through phases using different abilities, then after a certain number of turns or after a certain HP threshold shit will get real, and he'll start spamming his worst status effect attacks and 3 Mistresses until you kill him. In a situation like that you should remember that he's not actually on the level of MasterRing and won't actually use his screenwipe every turn, and it's not strong enough to completely wipe you out either, but also that defending will not protect you from status effects. Instead you have to use aggressive healing tactics and try to get your party to a state where everyone that's in fighting condition also has Full HP, so that you can launch an all-out combo (you need to have an all-out combo, especially with a full mystic team you need to have a combo), then likely get hit with 3 Mistresses in the same turn, have to recover, and avoid backsliding while he hammers you with status effects and single target spells during the recovery phase.

Which is to say it's a battle of attrition.

[Anonymous No.3418679]

>>3417674
No really though if someone can find the Extile album please tell me

[Anonymous No.3418791]

>>3417145
>hoping the high Int from Liches would make it powerful
The main Magic damage stat in Frontier is actually PSY, not INT.

INT affects spell learning rates though, though it's still kinda terrible for mystics either way

[Anonymous No.3418897]

>>3418791
Actually there are a decent number of spells that gain more benefit from Willpower, though there are also spells that benefit more from Psychic.

The ratio tends to be about 1/2/2 on average for Int/Wil/Psy when casting spells.

Incidentally, Guns seem to use the same stats or almost the same stats, and a TwoGun Boundshot with two LightRifles boosted with Weapon buffs during battle up to 99 is just about the most damage a human can do to a single target without using Tower or DSC.

[Anonymous No.3418956]

>>3418649
I took advice from above and got TigerRampage. Great attack and combos so easily, with a Lv5Combo we do 10k damage. Even a Lv4 combo does 8k which suffices. Kind of funny seeing everyone just run up to Orlouge and start punching him.

It's still not enough, though. Back to the insufficient WP issue. Mesarthim and Silence only get 3 shots in my current state; Mesarthim needs her WP for Liferain too. As well, once his portraits start, they often break our chain. Once 3Mistresses starts, we're too focused on healing.

I hoped to win without going out to raise stats, but it might be required for this party. I need health to sustain more than one hit, and I need WP to support my firepower. I guess I don't have to worry too much about Orlouge getting any stronger, I believe his HP modifier never goes above x3, and at BR5 or 6 I'm already there, if I recall. Can't get worse.

>>3418550
One of those two made the Roses in Promenade album, right? I like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34LqQWiyOw I've no idea what she's saying, but her voice is lovely. But for all I know she could be singing about cake or something.

[Anonymous No.3418962]

>>3418791
And here I thought my original plan of "Everyone absorbs 3 Liches and spams Energy Chain combos" was a sure thing...

[Anonymous No.3419007]

>>3418956
If you need a way to do damage with JP, try using PhantasmShot>Implosion>PhantasmShot. You can make a 5 person combo with just those two spells. Use that at the start of the fight, then blitz him with TigerRampage once he gets serious to bring him down. If Asellus has enough WP you can even let her Rampage the whole fight since it will work into the combo. Definitely don't underestimate the power of PhantasmShot.

[Anonymous No.3419010]

>>3418956
>I've no idea what she's saying, but her voice is lovely. But for all I know she could be singing about cake or something.
seems like a love song about White Rose from the perspective of Asellus

[Anonymous No.3419014]

>>3418679
>if someone can find the Extile album please tell me

The problem with doujin albums is that they're dependent on the fanbase of the games first and their own popularity second, so unless you live and japan, grab a copy in your local shop and upload it it will be hard for other people to get it, even Youtube doesn't have a lot of doujin albums.

Anyway, since Anon is still playing Frontier I decided to start a session of Solo playthroughs, I never did it for Frontier.
Currently 32 min. in Red's quest, I've just finished wandering into Sei's tomb to get all the treasure and he's already learned both Suplex and Babel Crumble, and I'm just on the Shrike event on the Cygnus.
A shame the Vita can't take screenshots of PS games, I'd like to record this somehow.

[Anonymous No.3419030]

>>3419010
Suddenly this turns erotic and fascinating.

>>3419014
On pretty much every run now I go to Sei's tomb first to grab the gear. Really I just want the shield, but I don't think I can get it without getting the sword and magatama first.
I also like to fight the Dead Knights because I seem to spark lots of stuff on them. Same with the Gaeatoad in Shingrow, if I go there early enough and just use super weak attacks, I can get all my humans to learn a bunch of weapon arts before he dies. It's especially great if I paralyze him.

[Anonymous No.3419060]

>>3419030
>Suddenly this turns erotic and fascinating.
You really liked Asellus, did you? Well, she's the most popular MC for a reason after all.
>but I don't think I can get it without getting the sword and magatama first.
It depends.
I solo'd the skellies with Red just by turning into Alkaiser and spamming Air Throw to bypass Deflect, it takes two Air Throws to kill one Dead Knight when turned into Alkaiser and chances are you'll spark Suplex or something else and oneshot one of them anyway, not to mention, you can can use one magic stone to wittle them down and bumrush them with your party if you're playing as someone else and not soloing them.
It's hard if you have people who use guns because it's pretty much impossible to learn CrossShot that early in the game but as long as you have a mage and/or a hard hitter you're set, and most character can abuse tricks like getting the Ashura in the case of Asellus or T260G being T260G, but again, as long as you have more than two people it's usually manageable, hard, but manageable.
I'm a bit worried about soloing a few bosses, I'd like to not use magic if possible and go full Martial Arts super sentai, but that'll require more time for grinding stats and waza, and the fights would also take more time.

I just can't accept how much they've butchered the characters in the translation though, Fuse's introduction and his bantz with Red are great, it's a shame the localization fucked up big time, someone should do a retranslation patch so that the characters are actually characters.

[Anonymous No.3419105]

>>3419030
>Suddenly this turns erotic and fascinating.
there's some mention of bondage in there too if that floats your boat

incidentally, if the combination of AxWR, Bondage, and Futa floats your boat, you should check out sad panda

[Anonymous No.3419121]

>>3419105
Why did Asellus grow a penis? This isn't right!

[Anonymous No.3419128]

>>3419060
I'd be pretty surprised if Red didn't throw out at least one〝やれやれだぜ” or something similar during his quest, knowing how much SaGa borrows from that series in general. It's stuff like that along with inherent fanciness and dialects that you can't really translate into text when you're working with Japanese>English.

[Anonymous No.3419132]

>>3419121
but it feels so good

[Anonymous No.3419196]

>>3419121
>Why did Asellus grow a penis?
It's all part of the developers' Original Vision™ anon, you just don't understand.
No kidding though, in the cut content she was supposed to ask Nusakan if she'd eventually grow a dick due to Orlouge's blood.
>>3419128
>I'd be pretty surprised if Red didn't throw out at least one〝やれやれだぜ”
Iirc, he doesn't, Harid did in RomaSaGa3 though.
There are some things and wordplays that aren't reall possible to translate, for instance, when Red meets Asellus on the Cignus he says:

>アセルス姉ちゃん!
Big Sis Asellus!
>誰
Who is it?
>やっぱりアセルス姉ちゃんだよ!俺だ,れっと。
That's really you big sis Asellus, it's me (Retto)
>烈人君!
Retto-kun!

This is a wordplay on Red's name, basically, Asellus was Red's babysitter when he was little and she nicknamed him 烈人, which could be read as Retto, similar to his name in japanese, Reddo (レッド), the kanji used in Asellus' nickname can be roughly translated as "impetuous/energetic man" which is of course a reference to Red's character and his own shtick of hotheaded, gutsy sentai.
Then again, certain parts of the scripts were just butchered, Fuse is one of those characters that lost most of his character and mannerism, like when he thanks Campbell's receptionist in Manhattan saying サンキュー、かわいい子ちゃん...(THANK YOU, cutie...), you could have used Spanish or something since he used English or even use japanese and make him say "Arigato, cutie..." or something.
I mean, Fuse's mannerism isn't easy to properly translate, but they sure didn't even try, and it's a shame since part of his character is the contrast of him acting serious and professional in front of Campbell for instance and then turning into, well, Fuse for the rest of the game, you can't quite understand why he's so beloved by fans until you read him in japanese, he's a lovable slouch, vaguely reminiscent of Lupin actually.

[Anonymous No.3419219]

>>3419196
Oh yeah, Harid was a lot more fun to play in Japanese

I wish It didn't tire me out so much reading it

and that the translation wasn't so shit

[Anonymous No.3419502]

>>3419219
>and that the translation wasn't so shit
Manasword's "translation" is really unacceptable, even putting characters' aside, it's just plain wrong at some points, hell, even some items aren't translated as they should.
It does make the game playable, but it also completely butchers it, and I'm not one who plays games for the story but that's just too much.

[Anonymous No.3420137]

>>3410027

Just had a look at the downloads, as far as I can tell it doesn't have D.E.C.A. or Final Letter, I could upload both of those if people would like.

I've got no idea where to upload them to or anything though so just tell me where to put them and I'd do it.

[Anonymous No.3420296]

Okay, so I legit just popped a boner at the one-on-one revenge fight vs. Shuzer, I pushed his shit in with HeadWind and Al-Phoenix.

Why is Red's campaign so based?

[Anonymous No.3420541]

>>3420296

Red was the only story I ever played through and man I was rock hard the whole way through. I was pretty surprised to hear that his isn't that popular.

[Anonymous No.3420812]

>>3420296
a fun thing is spotting all the tokusatsu references and tropes

[Anonymous No.3421048]

>>3420137
Wherever it's best for you to upload them Anon, I'll eventually put them all together in the same folder for convenience anyway.
It's already a great contribution so just do what's best for you.
>>3420296
If Shuzer was fun wait till you get to the other Heavenly Generals and Red's last push towards the final boss in the Black Ray and the Black Cross Base.
If you like Toku or Sentai Red's quest is the best thing ever happened to a RPG, if you think that Red is voiced by Nobuyuki Hiyama and MetalBalck/Metal Alkaiser is voiced by Sho Hayami in their cameo in Lord of Arena you can only imagine what the rest of the cast would be in a voiced remake or anime adaptation.

And goddamnit I would have never imagined that the Cygnus battle against the Platys would be so hard to solo, it's impossible without grinding, those fucking assholes immediately do a 4 men Beak combo for 340 or so damage, it's the fifth time I'm trying to kill them with Double Gale Slash but no luck so far, I've been grinding for half an hour to the point I'm even getting Gaeatoads in random encounters and I'm still not fast enough to get the first turn.

[Anonymous No.3421385]

Sooooo... Which gameboy saga game is good for starters? I'm sort of new to SaGa, I only finished SaGa Frontier 2

[Anonymous No.3421419]

>>3421385
I would say go with FFL2. Since you're not as experienced with the series, it's a good starting point in terms of learning how races work in the games that have them.

[Anonymous No.3421425]

>>3421419
Got it! Thanks a lot, handsome

[Anonymous No.3421461]

>>3421048

http://www.mediafire.com/download/uwidzg3x9z473c7/D.E.C.A.rar

http://www.mediafire.com/download/v514ekid38sksc1/Final+Letter.rar

>>3421385

FFL2, Romancing SaGa 3 or SaGa Frontier are all pretty good for a starting point IMO.

[Anonymous No.3421513]

>>3421048
Use KO Throw and Swayback nigga

[Anonymous No.3421553]

>>3421461
Much appreciated Anon, I'll handle the rest.
>>3421513
It's pointless, the platys triggered 4 men combo with 100% accuracy all the time, I had both KO throw and Swayback and it didn't trigger a single time.
I had to grind my Quickness up to 25 and then pray my Handblaster would paralyze all of them, I did it in the end, but it took something like 15 tries and by the time I was done I was fighting Trisauruses in the fucking Cygnus of all place to grind my stats, it was hell I tell you.
Anyway, now I'm hunting gear around the world, I cleared up Owmi and I'm currently in Koorong, problem is Red is too slow and if I get more than one tough enemy I'm forced to turn to Alkaiser to survive, the grinding in the Cygnus threw off my plans, I didn't expect that fight to be so vicious to solo, that reminds me I'll be forced to make an exception for Coon when I go to Virgil's place too, can't possibly beat the Lava Slimes alone with a monster.
Timer is at 3:10, the good thing is I've already sparked quite a lot of stuff so all I need is stat ups to make Red beefier, got the Mind magic gift in Kyo during the Cygnus quests too for self heal, I don't think I'll need other magic than maybe the Shield Card, but I'm thinking of getting the Ashura, training Red with Guns might take more time than I'm willing to spend on him.
Overall it's a fun challenge, gotta be extra careful and all, I wonder if I'll be able to beat the two dragons though.

[Anonymous No.3422005]

>>3420296
That whole sequence is so badass, and the base is such great design. Hell, the four generals thing is surely what they meant Asellus to play like - you remember the hints given earlier and explore key locations, unlocking the bossfights as you go.

I especially like how they don't gimp Shuzer for the solo. I had to turtle up for a long spell before he gave me the chance for the smackdown and genuinely didn't know if the Powercures I had would last.

[Anonymous No.3422049]

>>3421553
So why didn't you just use Sacred Song with the Magatama?

[Anonymous No.3422090]

>>3422049
First because again, not fast enough, second because the 4 boss platys have more HP than normal platys, took me two Double Gale Slash to kill them, they must have had around 1000 HP or so each since one waza did around 800 HP.

Believe me, I tried everything, then I remembered I had Fuse's Hand Blaster, tried my luck with it and after 3 more tries I got the first turn and paralyzed them all with it, two double Gale Slashes and they were gone.

[Anonymous No.3422204]

Why is it that Red is nonexistent in every other route? Other than the girl in Tanzer who mentions Alkaiser, I don't think he shows up.

[Anonymous No.3422312]

>>3422204
Too busy fighting Evil and delivering Justice.
Blue is like that too, too busy getting stronk.

[Anonymous No.3422340]

>>3422312

He does show up that one time in Red's story to be a dick though. Blue is great.

[Anonymous No.3422920]

>>3422340
Never change, Blue.

[Anonymous No.3422989]

>>3422920
>Liza lying on the bed wearing nothing but lingerie and a vulnerable expression
>"What does this have to do with magic?"

[Anonymous No.3423537]

>>3422340
No wonder nobody likes him but hardcore fujoshi, even Lute is more popular than him.

[Anonymous No.3423880]

So the translation for Romancing SaGa 3 is finally done? Gideon finally released it?

[Anonymous No.3423891]

>>3423880
>the translation for Romancing SaGa 3
What?
>Gideon
What?

[Anonymous No.3423914]

>>3423891
Isn't Gideon Zhi of Aeon Genesis translating the 3rd game?

[Anonymous No.3423937]

>>3423880
http://agtp.romhack.net/projects.php

"No."

Even RS2 is "5%" complete

Ghideon is basically lazy and has little passion and talent for programming.

[Anonymous No.3423976]

>>3423937
Someone told Tomato about the RS2 mobile port and how it had a lazy hackjob of a translation. He expressed an interest in checking out "the series". "Sometime".
That is still more reliable than Ghideon.

[Anonymous No.3424004]

>>3423976
too bad tomato can't write for shit

[Anonymous No.3424058]

>10 minutes to solo beat the Valkyrie sister in Shingrow
>Can't kill the slimes in one go

Yeah, no, I'm getting magic hax and going full gun/wrassling, I've had enough of getting cockblocked by shield/deflect five times in a row, and those fucking slimes...Never thought I'd have to grind for stats this much in a solo run in Frontier.

[Anonymous No.3424074]

>>3424058
Raysword adds 25 to all his stats you know, not just the physical ones

I'm really not certain why you wouldn't get MegaWindBlast for clearing groups of enemies, it's by far the strongest option available. Raysword+Lightsword should be +35 to everything too.

[Anonymous No.3424105]

>>3424074
>I'm really not certain why you wouldn't get MegaWindBlast for clearing groups of enemies

Because I stupidly wanted to be a true Super Sentai Alkaiseranger and not use magic, but fuck that, I need to get it if I want to beat this game solo at a reasonable pace, group fights fuck me up and respawning slimes are terrible to solo considering the fifth one is on the back row and can't be reached until there's only one covering it at least.
Oh well, guess I'll go kill Shuzer first anyway, or Cindy, whatever.
The only thing that comforts me is that at least I have basically every waza but some of the highest tiers, even got half of the gun waza already despite Red's 12 INT.

[Anonymous No.3424127]

>>3424105
Just think of it as space ninjutsu

[Anonymous No.3424184]

>>3424127
It just can't work man, but I'll have to accept my fate.

[Anonymous No.3425551]

>>3424105
How the fuck were you going to Berva then?

[Anonymous No.3425734]

Okay, Shuzer BTFO.
Poor guy could hardly break more than 170 HP per turn, now it's time for Cindy to taste the keen edge of Justice™, then again, I learned Dual Gun just before fighting him.
>>3425551
Beating bosses isn't a problem really, I can handily do around 4000-5000 damage or so with just a Cross Shot without turning into Alkaiser, soon I'll also be able to buy a Zero Sword so I'll be doing even more damage, and I didn't even get to 50 STR, by the time I'll get to Black X I'll probably have much higher stats too.
I usually put my Powered Suit on when it's boss time and let Red rip and tear stuff, That coupled with Budowear, the Magatama and another accessory makes him pretty much the perfect one on one tank, Excel Guard+Swayback minimize the amounts of attacks that can get through my defenses as well, Psycho Armor is another asset to further reinforce Red but there's usually no need to boost his defenses further I'd rather cast the Power Rune to end the fight quickly or the Vitality Rune to stay in a safe area for healing.

The problems arise when something has a shield or other kinds of defenses like Deflect, at that point I'm forced to Babel Crumble all day otherwise I'll waste a lot of WP for nothing, and multiple enemies, since no matter how high my defenses are, they do a combo and I'm dead.
All in all I have the feeling Frontier isn't so good for soloing, at least not like Minstrel Song, mostly because story boss grunts have more stats than their normal encounter versions making them a bitch to deal with, coupled with puzzle fights like the slimes in Shingrow or the Lava Slimes in Mosperiburg the game is either too tricky or simply impossible to solo, especially with the old limited number of commands design.

[Anonymous No.3425771]

>9300 damage on Nidhogg with double CrossShot
>Not even at 50 base Qui/Wil

[Anonymous No.3426041]

>>3425734
You're probably going to want to adjust that to SprigganSuit+DefendWear+PurpleEye, sad to say but PoweredSuit+BudoWear has relatively low Electric and Force defense.

You remember where the SprigganSuit is in Red's scenario right? It's on the Black Ray at the end of a dead end path meaning you need to plan your entire route to finish in that room.

[Anonymous No.3426408]

>>3423937
>>3423976
>>3423880

How's the spanish translation of RS3?

[Anonymous No.3426482]

>>3426041
That's a good idea, but as you said, SprigganSuit isn't going to help me much if not for the last push, and I Electric defense isn't a problem at the moment, Force still is though, unfortunately.
I did get a DefendWear and I'm currently wearing it, eventually I'll switch my PoweredSuit with the SprigganSuit.

I'm currently experimenting though, I want to see if it's possibly to beat Tanzer alone since I'm going to have to do so with Blue, but judging by the respawning Slimes in Shingrow I fear it will be mandatory to have another party member to touch the rune unless you can reach it when just one slime is in the battle, I'm afraid it's not going to work with just one character, that said I'm doing fine for the rest, no boss can really hurt me or put me in a danger zone.
I'm also tempted to fight the dragons for the Tarot Quest just to see how feasible they are to solo, I really want to see how much I can squeeze out of this run considering Red is one of the monster trio, better see how much I can abuse Alkaiser.

So far there's two strict exceptions I've found for Solo runs in Frontier, Tanzer and Virgil's palace as Coon/Riki, those are, or should be mechanically impossible to solo no matter what, I don't think there are any other exceptions.

[Anonymous No.3426507]

>>3426482
You can just do the Arcane quest instead with Blue??

[Anonymous No.3426514]

>>3426482
Also,

>Beating Diva with just Emilia
Will Godless trigger multiple times I wonder?
>Beating MasterRing with just Riki
This will never happen, not even Dullahan is that strong
>Beating Spriggan with just Lute
really.

[Anonymous No.3426546]

>>3426482

I'm pretty sure I did Tanzer on my Blue solo run so it should be possible. IIRC Riki is the only one who you absolutely need to use other party members in since you can't do the LavaSlimes or the Virgil fight with just Riki.

[Anonymous No.3426554]

>>3426507
I'd rather get the Overdrive+Stasis Rune setup as fast as possible, and I found Runes to be way more useful during solo then Tarots, but yeah, that's a possibility. You can argue that I should rather exploit the Rune Sword trick to learn Rune Spells instead of forcing myself to do Tanzer, whatever, I'm a bit bummed, Minstrel Song didn't have such problems for Solo...
>>3426514
>Will Godless trigger multiple times I wonder?
Sure, as long as you have the WP to sustain the cost of multiple Godless in a sequence of attacks, Counter waza have checks for each separate attack that triggers them until the end of the turn, you can Swayback all you want for instance, this is more noticeable during solo plays when all the enemies concentrate their attacks on one character, same thing for Kasumi or Dragon Turn.
>>Beating MasterRing with just Riki
Eh, this is something I've been thinking about today, I don't think monsters have any form capable of soloing MasterRing's Onslaught.
Then again, you can't possibly solo the Lavaslimes either so I guess that doing a Coon solo run is completely out of the question, a shame.
>>Beating Spriggan with just Lute
The problem with Spriggan is that you're very likely to run out of WP, but considering Lute is a human I don't think it's actually impossible with a good setup and maxed stats, it will take a while though.
>>3426546
>I'm pretty sure I did Tanzer on my Blue solo run so it should be possible.
How did you reach the Rune? Does Blue automatically touch it if you wipe out all the slimes or is it like I guessed so you can touch it if no slime is covering it?
Also, you're damn right, I completely fogot about the Virgil fight, another thing that makes Coon solo runs impossible.

[Anonymous No.3426560]

So I've been playing through Saga Frontier and it's been an interesting experience so far. I kind of wanna read about the development of this game and its cut content. This game is just extremely surreal and I can't think of any other way to describe it.

So are there any good links with a lot of information about the cut content for this game?

[Anonymous No.3426572]

>>3426554
You'll get rune magic anyway when you absorb Rouge though, do you really need the overdrive trick before that?

You could also theoretically use something like glass shield or bolt barrier, somehow get Blue to not be faster than the slime, and have it attack him first on the same turn he goes to touch the rune, but that sounds like abject suffering

I'd say just do the Arcane quest, Blue's major motivation for picking the Rune quest is recruiting Liza anyway.

[Anonymous No.3426582]

>>3426554

It's been a while since I played Frontier, but I'm pretty sure you only need one of two of the slimes depending on your position, and touch the Rune before they respawn. I think the way I did it was just kill them all with MegaWindBlast then touch it.

[Anonymous No.3426616]

>>3426560
In english?
No
In japanese you can download the Essence of SaGa Frontier volume from the download folder in the pastebin.
Though if you want a quick rundown of cut content:

>Fuse and a little girl were supposed to be MCs, the little girl got scrapped out of development early but Fuse was a late cut
>Fuse's quest was designed around the other MCs, you could choose to assist whoever you wanted in theri own quests and learn some more about each MC, the short novel about Fuse is basically the script for his own quest
>Asellus was supposed to have more storyline with Nusakan and Furdo, both were cut
>Asellus and White Rose could have escaped from Facinaturu jumping through Kurenai, they would have ended up in Mosperiburg naked
>Red was supposed to have alternate endings with Yuria through a hidden affection meter
>There was a supposed Biolab storyline but that got cut as well
>Cube should have got more exposition and that would have been tied into the IRPO storyline, Imperial SaGa recently made such content into questlines in there.

This is more or less all the stuff that we missed on, naturally, some things were also rather different in the early development, the game should have been Romancing SaGa 4 for instance.
>>3426572
>do you really need the overdrive trick before that?
No, of course not.
Your tactic sounds good but both Glass Shield and Bolt Barrier do such measly damage it's not only a pain to set up but also to properly calculate the slime's remaining HP and a way ot get to that threshold first, it's way too much even for me.
I'd do the Arcane quest at this point, unless Anon>>3426582 here is right, I'll see if it's possible to do so, but first I'll get the rune in Koorong.

By the by, I've been thinking of a good command setup for BlackX.

>Psycho Armor
>Vitality Rune
>Twogun
>CrossShot/BoundShot
>Swayback
>ReAlPhoenix
>MindHeal
>LightSword

What do you think? I don't know how useful Swayback will be against BlackX really.

[Anonymous No.3426618]

>>3426560

https://essenceofsaga.wordpress.com/

This has a bunch of translations from Essence, should be the kind of thing you'd be interested in.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/31tkw230zwa069c/SaGa+Frontier+-+Fuse%27s+Crazy+Investigation+Log.doc

There's also this, the translation of Fuse's story from Essence.

[Anonymous No.3426629]

>>3426616
>>3426618
Oh this is neat. I'll take a closer look at all of this when I' m done. I'm currently working on Blue's scenario at the moment. I just sparked Heaven/Hell and it's kind of become easy mode. I'm looking to do Lute next I think.

I'll download this for later for sure though, thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.3426635]

>>3426616
If you can get SoulRune then you should use it, 1LP is a cheap price to pay for the boost it gives you.

[Anonymous No.3426649]

>>3426635
I've been thinking about the Soulrune/Awaken, but doubling the cost of WP kinda puts me off, and Red hasn't learned a single spell up to now, I'll try to get one of those since I'm set on getting the Asura anyway.

I'm just at 77 WP, Alkaiser gives a great boost through Raysword and having the Asura on will also help, so maybe I'll just drop Swayback for PowerRune, or I'll simply ditch PowerRune altogether in favor of SoulRune/Awakening, I'll have to test it.

Things won't sure go as smooth with Emilia or T260G though...

[Anonymous No.3426650]

>>3426616

BlackX shoudn't be too much of a problem, Red is probably the easiest quest to solo, think the Cygnus part is the only really hard bit. One thing to keep in mind is the boss rush where you have to fight Shuzer, Arachne and Berva without being able to recover WP, if you're not using offensive magic or have a fuckload of WP that might be a bit difficult.

[Anonymous No.3426678]

>>3426649
SoulRune doesn't change your WP/JP costs, only Awakening does.

[Anonymous No.3426689]

>>3426649
What's PowerRune, do you mean VictoryRune? Cause if that's the case you can probably live without it.

[Anonymous No.3426720]

>>3426650
>if you're not using offensive magic or have a fuckload of WP that might be a bit difficult.
Buffs do wonders, and CrossShot only costs 5 WP, so I can reasonably spam it, consider that right now I barely broke through the 50 base Wil, I'm surely going to get at least 15 more before I get there, coupled with Asura and eventually, Lightsword I'm going to get even more powerful, I guess I'll be fine if I'm around 90-100 WP.
>>3426678
Soulrune it is then.
Doesn't Soulrune run out after a few turns though, or was it Awaken? I can't remember, I do remember that all the normal buffs last until the end of the fight or when you're ko'd, but I seem to remember there was a catch to SoulRune/Awaken.
>>3426689
Yeah, sorry, I got the names all mixed up due to playing through the japanese version.
It is Victory Rune (勝利ルーン) in japanese too, but I've been using a lot of wrong spells/waza names lately due to the general confusion.

[Anonymous No.3426736]

>>3426720
Awakening doubles all your WP and JP costs from the start of the fight. In a way, this makes it stronger than SoulRune, because the damage techniques do is related directly with their cost, so in a high speed fight Awakening used with something like DSC will do tremendous damage, but you will also run out of WP/JP very fast.

SoulRune I'm not sure on it's actual effects, whether it simply buffs all your stats, whether that buff includes Wea/Def, or whether it adds an actual multiplier to your techniques. What I am sure of is that it makes you much stronger, it costs 7 JP, it lasts for 4 turns, and when it runs out you lose 1 LP.

[Anonymous No.3426739]

>>3426736
Sorry, from the time it's cast, not from the start of the fight. It doesn't have a retroactive effect.

[Anonymous No.3426781]

Now, wait a second, Lightsword has built in Deflect?
I just learned it just now and the first thing that happened was Red deflecting even though I didn't have Deflect on my list, didn't know that, that's pretty fucking neat if my guns didn't do more damage anyway.
>>3426736
I see, it's been a while since I had to play seriously through Frontier and I needed to recheck all of the spells.
Thanks for the tip Anon, though I don't know whether SoulRune is worth the trouble, soloing puts you in the defensive more often unless you're Blue, so having only 4 turns of an active buff for 7JP and a 1LP cost seems a waste of a slot.
I'll have to prioritize a good skillset that lets me cover my ass, I don't have to worry about comboing so I can just have one or two attacks to spam while all the rest is devoted to support/defense.
Anyway, I'll see for myself once I get it, if I do get it that is.

[Anonymous No.3426803]

>>3426781
Lightsword has a magic based deflect that activates even if you don't use sword techniques. If you cast Lightsword then use the Lightsword as a sword and have deflect on your list, both deflects get a separate chance of activating increasing your chances of using deflect.

Alkaiser probably doesn't need SoulRune if his stats are high enough because they can't go over 99 regardless.

[Anonymous No.3428090]

how do i restore lp again

[Anonymous No.3428229]

>>3428090
Which game?

[Anonymous No.3428345]

So, Anon was right, you can solo Tanzer, quite comfortably I may add, I worried for nothing.
Currently on Cindy's building, just learned the Soul Rune and got randomly possessed by a Glirandly, at this point I have no need for Light Sword anymore, which means I have one more command slot free.
About the Soul Rune, I'm not sure how it works exactly but I suppose it's a raw stat bonus buff for 4 turns, I tested it a bit and all the damage I do is increased, a normal punch on a pink fighter does around 700 damage, buffed with Soul Rune it does around 1100, a Slash with Glirandly does 600-650 normally and around 770 with Soul Rune buffs, same thing applies to defense, however, damage or defense doesn't increase when I turn into Alkaiser and use Soul Rune, possibly because I already hit 90 stats.
I don't think it's worth a slot for such a bonus, and it runs out after 4 turns and costs me a LP on top of that.
Psycho Armor is beginning to become a waste of a slot, the meager defense bonus doesn't make it good enough to justify a slot for it when the Vitality Rune gives me 150 HP per turn anyway, much better than 20-40 HP damage less.
CrossShot hits for a stable 6000-6500 on most mooks, if I turn into Akaiser it goes up to 7500-8000, nothing is quite as powerful as that at the moment, I don't think I'll ever have anything as powerful and cheap honestly, unless I grind my STR, which is just 46 right now.
Once I finish Red's solo playthrough I guess I'll take on Blue's quest, or maybe Asellus', T260G's quest should also be very fast to solo if I abuse the Scrap trick, guess the only really long ones will be Emilia and Lute's quests since they can't abuse magic or henshin mechanics, and well, Lute is Lute.
>>3428090
Which title?

[Anonymous No.3428363]

Guys was Blue suppose to have an ending? Cause I just defeated the Hell's Lord boss and it just went to the save system data screen with this awful bell ringing that won't stop when I'm on it now.

[Anonymous No.3428364]

>>3428345
Use all the extra slots for DSC

Suplex robots for great justice

[Anonymous No.3428367]

>>3428363
That was the ending. They shut the gate to hell while you were still inside.

The system data screen has incredibly relaxing music, you probably glitched the sound playback and need to reset.

[Anonymous No.3428370]

>>3428367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAtT-5B9is

Seriously it's one of my favorite music tracks of like, all videogame music tracks period.

[Anonymous No.3428391]

>>3428367
No like the battle ended and it went straight to the system menu. Was that it really it?

I'm really confused right now.

[Anonymous No.3428449]

>>3428391
Yes anon. They trapped you there for all eternity. That's it. Game over. You can't win.

[Anonymous No.3428453]

>>3428363
>awful bell ringing that won't stop when I'm on it now.
Did we use Overdrive to beat the devil now?
Don't tell me you also used Overdrive+Tower!
Don't tell me you Overdrive+ShadowServant+Tower'd!

Why didn't they leave Fuse and cut Lute? Lute could easily just become a side character, that boy in the bar you can recruit with every character who has some unique dialogue. That fits in with his character just fine.

[Anonymous No.3428457]

>>3428364
I'd love to get DSC but Giant Swing seems to hate me, which is annoying because I learned Sliding, Suplex and Babel Crumble in the first twenty minutes of the game while getting Sei's stuff in Shrike, iirc Red doesn't have the talent to get Giant Swing so it's understandable but it still annoys me to no end, I'll probably go for it on Emilia's quest though.
Also, beaten the two dragons, got the Asura, currently in Kyo to fight Metal Black, Alkaiser is disgustingly strong with Vitality Rune as long as you don't run into big parties of strong monsters, that Glirandly possession truly helped a lot though.
On a second thought, I guess that Red would have more benefits from getting Dark Magic, he's not good with offensive magic unless you grind a lot so MegaWindBlast is kinda wasted on him, Shadow Servant could have been a more significant asset in the long run considering I'm basically untouchable as long as it's a one on one fight.
>>3428391
>Was that it really it?
Yeah, Blue/Blouge fights Hell Lord for eternity as the ultimate magician, that was it, a fitting end for the biggest asshole in the game, Rouge didn't deserve any of this though.

[Anonymous No.3428465]

>>3428457
>Rouge didn't deserve any of this though.
Neither did any of his party members!
Hopefully Gen finds a way to LifeSprinkler open a hole between dimensions, and everybody warps back to to Scrap and lives happily ever after. THE END.

[Anonymous No.3428474]

>>3428449
>>3428457
That is very very strange. I'm not upset about the 'ending' just the abruptness of it. This game is something else. I know that's mostly due to how unfinished it is but it feels more like a fever dream than anything else. It's a very surreal experience.

>>3428453
Overdrive makes me moist. I saw what it did and I couldn't stop myself from using it. I can't resist that type of power but I'll probably end up avoiding it for the rest of the scenarios though.

[Anonymous No.3428479]

>>3428457
You'll never be able to sustain ShadowServant because it gets dispelled as soon as anything hits you.

[Anonymous No.3428518]

>>3428479
You mean there are no checks for evasion/parries/mikiri when you use Shadow Servant? If that's so it kinda sucks, though I suppose you can get around that with the Magician card, afer all bosses can always target the decoys first so you can still use Shadow Servant at least for one turn, still better than Lightsword.
Hope I'll get to learn Awakening, currently in Shingrow ready to BTFO Berva, poor Metal Black went down with Punch alone without even resorting to Alkaiser, he never scored.
>>3428474
>but it feels more like a fever dream than anything else.
Frontier is a bit strange for the average RPG, certain regions, like TimeLord's region do feel surreal in both concept and execution, but that's part of the game's charm.
Hard to find such a varied universe in other games, Toku heroes, gay vampires, interdimensional universe busters warships, robots and transhumanists, undead skeleton kings, talking monsters, cops and Charlie's Angels expies all in the same world(s).
Guess you could thank Kikuchi, without him I don't think SaGa would have adopted such weird worlds, the most similar series I can think of is SMT, but it's not as extravagant as SaGa Frontier.
I'd love a remake that keeps the game sprite based, kinda like Unlimited handled the graphics but with more frames for the sprites.

[Anonymous No.3428552]

>>3428518
Actually Lightsword gives you an extra, redundant chance to deflect attacks, and iirc it works on several of MBIII's attacks as well as Black X's cannon attack, which tend to hurt a lot as a result of being really strong and using like every fucking element.

[Anonymous No.3428607]

>Fight Berva
>Spamming magic and Locomotion G since nothing else can hit him
>Spark Giant Swing

IT'S TIME

[Anonymous No.3428708]

>>3428474
Fever dream is right and I think part of why Asellus's objectively mangled route is such a fan favourite is because it has that sense of running off an imperceptible logic.

>>3428453
Honestly Lute could have been done with not that much more effort. One unique dungeon - which is probably the unused spaceship interior thing - a rerun of Trinity base, Wakatu as a main dungeon would make sense, or even a part of the robot scenario. Probably they were only a week away from it when they ran out of time.

[Anonymous No.3428986]

Aaaaand it's done.

I must admit Black-X's cannon was vaguely threatening but none of his other attacks besides his draining one ever posed a threat, and I went balls to the wall, no shield, no evasive action, pure tanking.
Victory Rune is perhaps the best buff in the game, I could deal stable 7500 damage with double CrossShot, much more reliable than DSC against BlackX, as I expected, Psycho Armor was worthless on Alkaiser, I suppose it's another buff that raises your basic stats instead of adding some extra bonus, Vitality Rune was the pivotal spell overall, the rest was simply attacking and sometimes cure wih Mind Heal, if I did use a shield I probably wouldn't have needed Mind Heal, but the raw stat bonus felt more important to me, in the end, the strategy paid off.
Doing 26000 HP of damage with a perfect DSC is always something though.
Now, it's time for Blue's solo run and Overdrive abuse.

[Anonymous No.3429690]

>>3428986
Nice to see someone's having a good time. I'm still trying to beat Orlouge with 5 mystics and just can't win.

>Victory Rune is perhaps the best buff in the game
It's funny, when I first played I thought VR could only be used on the caster themselves. And my spellcaster would never do any physical combat so I thought it was worthless.
>Doing 26000 HP of damage with a perfect DSC is always something though.
Is the number of moves in DSC determined by luck, or is there some formula behind it? I always felt scammed when I'd waste all those WP for a measly 3 moves.
Also, what does DSC stand for? On the Essence translation blog, it says "Dangerous Suplex Combo", but I seem to remember reading "Dream Super Combo" somewhere.

I think I'll give up on Orlouge here. I don't think I built my party well. When we get to 3Mistresses, he's either breaking our combos, or we're spending too much time recovering. My new memory cards arrived so maybe it's a sign I should move on to SF2.

[Anonymous No.3429847]

>>3429690

I'm pretty sure Asellus' quest is the only one where you can leave the final dungeon, so grinding some more should be an option.

Although if you've saved after talking to Orlouge I think you're out of luck there.

[Anonymous No.3429864]

>>3429690
Victory Rune just gets very overshadowed by the LordStar which is basically 4 times as effective, but only works on the user.

[Anonymous No.3430047]

>>3429847
I guess I could, I was just hoping to beat him by timing my attacks right and using my wit. I guess he's just smarter than me. Oh well, if I understand correctly he gets thrown in jail anyway. He can have this one.

[Anonymous No.3430118]

>>3430047
I feel like I already told you what tactics to use and you didn't use them though

[Anonymous No.3430139]

>>3430118
I'll listen better next time, I promise!

[Anonymous No.3430154]

>>3430139
Okay that's cute.

Make sure you check out a guide for the chronological order of events in SaGa Frontier 2

You can do them in any order but if you don't do them chronologically some events won't show up! It also lets you proceed through the game in a mostly linear progression of difficulty rather than suddenly skipping ahead to a part with stronger enemies.

[Anonymous No.3430180]

>>3430154
Bookmarked a guide on gamefaqs, it says it lists the events chronologically. Hopefully I don't accidentally spoil myself too much. Every time I finished a run on SF1 I'd go find some of the music on Youtube, and my eyes would glance over to the recommended videos and see "FINAL BOSS FOR [that character you were going to try next]".

[Anonymous No.3430198]

>>3430180
well, if you just look at the chronological event list it should only spoil things insofar as it will tell you the chapter titles of scenarios you haven't unlocked yet

I'll also tell you that it's extremely important for you to explore very thoroughly in each area the game sends you to, because any quells and special armors you find will turn out to be extremely valuable throughout the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.3430474]

>>3429690
>Is the number of moves in DSC determined by luck
Can't tell, but seeing how Alkaiser had maxed stats and they didn't really seem to influence the checks I'd say it purely roll based.
It's great for Berva though, he won't be able to Swayback or Bervacounter DSC, three full DSC and he's gone, easy peasy, tough enemies with shields(Hello Dullahan) also eat shit from DSC, basically all wrassling/grappling moves bypass shield/counter/parry checks, that's why you should abuse them on the Dead Knights in Sei's tomb early on unless you're Blue, coupled with the fact that undeads are naturally weak against martial arts it's a great way to blast through them.
>On the Essence translation blog, it says "Dangerous Suplex Combo"
That's the right one.
>>3429864
LordStar's buff is great, I considered using it but the fact that guns are by far the best offensive weapons and you need to at least have a shield on until you hit 90 in all stats doesn't make it too hot for solo, I'd rather leave an open slot for LightSword unless I'm Red/Asellus or put a Glirandly there, I guess I'll do use it for T260G's quests since I won't have standard equipment limitations and I can afford spamming Pluralslash with another stronger sword.
>>3430180
To add on what anon told you:
This game isn't as exploitable as the first Frontier, there's no Overdrive or other get out of jail for free cards you can play, while Frontier goes back to the GB SaGa standards Frontier 2 returns to the Romancing design, for many things Frontier 2 has many throwbacks to RomaSaGa2.
Weapon type damage is more important, magic goes back to elements so keep in mind that elemental weaknesses are a key feature here, you have a pseudoclass system too in the form of roles, which are a very important feature.
Also, Gustave's side is more story focused while Wil's side is more gameplay focused, and again, explore and fight, treasures are vital here and there's no BR holding you down.
Praise the Steel.

[Anonymous No.3430491]

>>3430474
>LordStar's buff is great, I considered using it but the fact that guns are by far the best offensive weapons and you need to at least have a shield on until you hit 90 in all stats doesn't make it too hot for solo, I'd rather leave an open slot for LightSword unless I'm Red/Asellus or put a Glirandly there, I guess I'll do use it for T260G's quests since I won't have standard equipment limitations and I can afford spamming Pluralslash with another stronger sword.
BraveHeart doesn't even work if you don't have any allies anon.

[Anonymous No.3430519]

>>3430491
>BraveHeart doesn't even work if you don't have any allies anon.
Ah shit, you're right.
Shameful display, there's so many things I forgot about Frontier, it doesn't help that it's chock full of weird exceptions and unique commands.
Oh well, I can always slap some RuneSword on T260G for the Victory Rune, guess I won't have access to any other kind of buffs as a mech, would that affect stuff like Magnify I wonder?
Solo plays really make you look at the game in a completely different way.

[Anonymous No.3430536]

>>3430519
I think your strategy is going to depend a lot on whether you use the Omega Body, Type 1 Body, or Type 3 Body.

I mean, I think Type 3 was the EngineerCar body. I can't remember actually.

[Anonymous No.3431262]

>>3430536
Do I have any reason to not use Omega Body at the end of the day?

V-Max is great and its stats are great too, maybe a few other bodies are more versatile, but unless I want to dick around with stuff like bits/Satellite Linker I don't think I'll use anything else when I do get it, then again, I don't really remember much about all the body types either so I guess I'll see when I do get to T260G.
I'll also need to recheck which mech drops which program, I do remember stuff like Pluraslash and Maxwell Program, but I'd like to get Tiger Rampage too if it doesn't end up to be too much of a hassle.

[Anonymous No.3431313]

>>3431262
Type-1 Body has 7 empty slots, which you can happily fill with whatever you like. This means it has the highest potential stat totals and is the greatest option defensively. Absolutely the FortBody is better than the MecBody, and the MegaBeamSaber and V-System are great, but they aren't as good as SprigganSuits and OctopusBoards statistically, and the MBS is not the strongest sword at all. There's also the fact that any mec with TigerProgram doesn't need a sword, TigerRampage is stronger than PluralSlash.

Well, with a ZeroSword anyway. I don't know about a DragonSword. You have to get those as a rare drop from Thundragons, and they're as rare as it gets.

The EngineerCar type body obviously has the capability of repairs.

If T260G is the only mec I'm using, say in Red's scenario, I have 0 problems with setting her up for max stats with something like 2 OctopusBoards, 2PlutoArmors, 1 WarlordArmor, 1 Durahan Shield, and 1LightRifle.

Actually I think that's pretty much the best you can possibly do as far as mecs are concerned.

[Anonymous No.3431349]

>>3431313
>Type-1 Body has 7 empty slots, which you can happily fill with whatever you like.
Well, you have a very good point, I should check the stats for Omega Body and see if there's any notbale difference or advantages in using either.
>TigerRampage is stronger than PluralSlash.
What if Tiger Rampage isn't stronger than a PluralSlash buffed with Victory Rune though? What if I use an Asura and do Plural Slash with it buffed with Victory Rune?
Victory Rune doesn't buff martial arts and I don't think Tiger Rampage is classified as a weapon waza since it doesn't use one.
>The EngineerCar type body obviously has the capability of repairs.
But it has slots filled with junk and the repair number is limited(20 uses iirc), at that point I'd rather waste a slot on a backpack since Instakits drop like candy when fighting mechs.
>I think that's pretty much the best you can possibly do as far as mecs are concerned.
I guess, problem is I'm going to solo, so I have to look at it in a different way.

Seven free slots sure look nice but I need to understand whether it's better to invest into PluralSlash or Tiger Rampage, then think about a good way for building a self sustaining T260G, the self-regen program isn't terribly effective as far as I remember, at least, not as Vitality Rune, so I can't depend on it as much as I would.
Then I'll have to consider all the pros and cons of the various body types...lots of work.

[Anonymous No.3431354]

>>3431349
I'm fairly certain VictoryRune increases the damage of TigerRampage as well as all MartialArts techniques.

[Anonymous No.3431385]

>>3431354
Really?
I didn't notice an increase in Martial arts damage, guess I'll have to check how it works, maybe it was just more noticeable with guns.

I'll also have to look at how Satellite Linker works, it's something I never ever bothered to properly understand, iirc one of the body types has access to Satellite Bit, if Satellite Linker doesn't need WP other than its activation cost it could be handy, I guess, extra, unavoidable free damage at the end of a turn sounds too good to pass up.

[Anonymous No.3431496]

>>3428708
I mean she seems like a Terra expy in a lot of ways, in both design and character. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but, I can see the appeal.

I also "beat" Saga Frontier today I think. I completed Riki's scenario which was honestly awful. I wanted to outright bang my head against the wall for some parts in it. I really really disliked it.

Anyway, it's an unique game. Like I said before it's definitely unfinished, and I want to read more about what's unfinished. I'm kind of on the fence on whether I would call it a good game or not. There's some things I really like about it and I really want to love it, but, there's some stupid shit that really soured my mood, see all of Riki's scenario. I'll probably have to think about it more before I give a definitive answer about my thoughts on it.

[Anonymous No.3432202]

>>3431496

I think pretty much everyone hates Riki's scenario, I dread every time I have to do the spike room.

[Anonymous No.3432480]

Riki is best dog.

[Anonymous No.3432980]

>>3431496
>I mean she seems like a Terra expy in a lot of ways, in both design and character.
I really don't see anything in common between Terra and Asellus, except maybe the green hair.
One is the daughter of an esper and a human woman who gets brainraped for years and turned into a killing machine by a sociopath clown, she starts developing motherly feelings towards the end of the game and that's it, the other one is a tomboy who gets run over by a goth pedophile vampire with harem lead fantasies, becomes a human/youma hybrid with confused sexuality and has to come to term with her homosexuality and beat the shit out of her jealous and possessive "sugar daddy" and his entourage.
>there's some stupid shit that really soured my mood, see all of Riki's scenario.
What's that stupid shit you're talking about? It's a totally fine scenario, just not for beginners, if you want to hate someone hate Lute.

[Anonymous No.3433203]

Just look at this cute little animal and say his story sucks. You can't!

[Anonymous No.3433415]

>>3432980
But the only unqiue shit in Riki is Scrap (okay) and Fascinataru (shit). The rest is Tanzer, shrike, a bossfight in a house, Despair and Owmi. Most of which you can and will do as Lute anyhow. Lute has one unique dungeon and for the rest you just play Saga Frontier with no spikepits or hilarious lifepoint roulette or random endgame party member loss.

[Anonymous No.3433463]

>>3433415
oh I get it. you're just butthurt because you got rused.

[Anonymous No.3433904]

>>3433415
>Fascinataru
>Coon
Maybe you meant Mosperiburg?
>Lute has one unique dungeon and for the rest you just play Saga Frontier with no spikepits or hilarious lifepoint roulette or random endgame party member loss.
That's precisely why Lute's quest is unsalvageable garbage, why are you even playing Frontier and SaGa in general if you don't want crazy shenanigans?

[Anonymous No.3435017]

>we have to change the world because we can't leave
>okay I changed it but oh no everyone is dying
>I guess we could have just left all along

[Anonymous No.3435408]

>>3435017
Elder just wanted to get Riki out of the way for a little while so he could enjoy some pink lummox tail. He didn't think he'd actually succeed.

[Anonymous No.3435846]

>>3435408
>Oh shit guys we have to stop the demons from destroying the world
>World gets destroyed and reset anyway
>Oh well, that's fine too I guess

Harid's ending was the best on this

>The princess might be alive, I should go look for her
>Nah, disregard bitches, acquire currency

[Anonymous No.3436449]

>>3435846
>oh fuck I need to get that sword back for the prince
>woah holy shit look at all these pretty ladies
>time to save the world and shit
>who the fuck is Mikhail again?
Katrina is best boy

[Anonymous No.3437463]

>>3416592
I like that if you already know "that" thing about Cody, you can't send her to City of Night and create a time paradox.

[Anonymous No.3438318]

>>3437463
Wish you could do something like that in general, Frontier 2 is too bleak when it comes to characters.
I just want Ginny to have a happy family goddamn, and maybe helping Sargon too while we're at it.

[Anonymous No.3439704]

In RS: Minstrel Song, should avoid grinding and unnecessary field battles whenever possible, until I reach the endgame?

[Anonymous No.3440040]

So, about the Victory Rune.
I checked times and again and I'm 100% sure it doesn't buff martial arts, as I see it, it adds some stat bonus onto every weapon equipped, possibly percentage based but I might be wrong here.
I checked with Red with and without transforming in Alkaiser, Martial Arts aren't influenced at all from Victory Rune, which makes sense, after all even the buff itself has a WEAP. sign once you use it, not a STR like other buffs.
This also confirms my hunch that Victory Rune can still stay very relevant at maxed stats whereas something like Soul Rune or Psycho Armor don't since they grant a raw stat bonus based on your character's stats.
In hindsight, it makes sense that they didn't do a buff related to Armor that works in the same way, you'd be invincible considering how many pieces of armor you can equip, especially on a mech.
>>3439704
I'd say don't grind until you reach the late ER, mostly because things can go pretty fast at early ER so it's easy to miss one quest because you just fought that one or two battles that makes you shift to the next ER.
Though honestly, unless you want to fight 10FS Saruin, you don't need to grind at all, by the time you reach the last ER you should be strong enough to fight him and you should have already understood how the system works so you can set good combos with debuffs and have the right magic/classes to deal with Saruin and the likes.
One other thing you should do is investing in equipment it's very easy to do so if you keep completing quests rather than fighting on the fields randomly, most starting quests also have generic boss formations that can be cleared pretty easily, forging also gives you extra bang for your buck so have someone who can mine stuff so you can get materials quickly, invest into stealth skills so you can avoid enemies and have someone who can open chests and dig up treasures, you'll get tons of money that way, especially by exploring Silver's cave.

[Anonymous No.3440223]

>>3430180
Finally started, SF2 is great. I love the battle system, especially dueling. Discovering new arts by testing different combos is fun. Choosing who goes first in the party gives me a lot more control, but I haven't experimented with roles too much.
Haven't found many combos yet, but I stumbled across a level 4 combo using "FakeOut-Lawnmower-Woodstock-Needleshot". EXCITEMENT. Too bad I don't have a POCKETSTATION™ to save these for future reference.
Love the negotiation feature, helps save resources when you know you'll win.

However, I dislike how slow the fights feel. Maybe it's just me, but everything just moves kinda slowly. And at the end, when leveling up, I can't skip it, so I have to sit there while it slowly shows us our stat gains.

I also miss robots and guns and mystics. Wish I could just pull out a BoltThrower or a GrainCannon and start blasting shit. But this artwork is beautiful, it feels like I'm playing a picture book. And Cordelia is super cute, especially her duel animation, bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy.

[Anonymous No.3440341]

>>3440223
>I love the battle system, especially dueling. Discovering new arts by testing different combos is fun.
Fun thing, the manual had most if not all normal waza inputs for once, it didn't give you the hybrid arts commands though, but it's not like you really need those since Johan comes with Tornado Blade prelearned and almost nothing beats it in usefulness until the late game.
But yeah, the battle system is really fun, if not a bit risky when you duel, and the negotiation feature was great since it really rewards you if you can use it properly.
>Maybe it's just me, but everything just moves kinda slowly.
It's not just you, Frontier 2 is slow as molasses compared to Frontier, actually, it's probably the slowest game in the series overall.
>But this artwork is beautiful, it feels like I'm playing a picture book
Wait till you get to parts like Weissland, Schwarzmädchen/City of Night, Laubholz and all the various mid to late chapters, you'll see some really breathtaking stuff, certain dungeons like the Megaliths, the Tower of Laubholz and bridge to Laubholz are also gorgeous, but hell, even the random ass mines and the Ruins of Hahn look gorgeuos, visually speaking there's little this game didn't do right.
>And Cordelia is super cute
All of the Knights' women are top tier, but you still have to meet Diana and Ginny.
Again, don't sent Cody to the City of Night.

How do you like the music so far? This is also the game which features Hamauzu's first work for the series, it's a departure from the classic Itoken style.

[Anonymous No.3441437]

Why was Kenji Ito so damn talented at making music?
https://youtu.be/z2VlvNVSeQY

[Anonymous No.3441541]

>>3440341
>It's not just you, Frontier 2 is slow as molasses compared to Frontier, actually, it's probably the slowest game in the series overall.
Minstrel Song is the slowest, usually on account of there being too many enemies with long animations

SF2 is about the same speed as SF during battles,though duels are a little bit slow.

I'd agree if you said the slow part of SF2 was watching the story scenes though.

[Anonymous No.3441921]

>>3440341
>How do you like the music so far?
I like the battle theme, but I don't know if I prefer it over SF1's Battle 1 yet. I might just need to adjust to it. Right from the opening scene I recognized part of the melody from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps16hyLkDeg, around 3:45 in. I listened to this album a lot ever since I started SF1.
While I like the battle music, I don't care for the victory fanfare -- but maybe it's the same, and I just need to adjust to it. I'm not too far in, there's still a lot more music for me to hear.

>>3441541
It might just be me, is all. It just feels like I select our actions, and then it takes forever for characters to actually start acting. And when they do, they move so slowly. The spear art "rush" feels more like a stroll.
In SF1, I could speed through the leveling up messages by pressing a button, but here it seems I have to sit through them.

[Anonymous No.3442010]

>>3441921
Don't you still have to watch the characters spin in SF no matter what?

There is definitely a difference in the animations and the "crunchiness and snappiness" of the impacts and movements between SF and SF2, but this is almost true of literally any game period when compared to SaGa Frontier.

[Anonymous No.3442619]

So, in these threads, I'm frequently seeing people say that Frontier SaGa or RS3 is the ideal starting point for the series but I assumed that the ideal starting point would actually be Minstrel Song since that seems like only game in the series that has any semblance of a tutorial in the form of the Minstrel and those boys in each town that give you a Map and tell you about game mechanics as you get stronger.

I suppose I am just biased since it's my first SaGa game. I recently went through the hassle of digging out my old ps2 (which still fucking works after nearly of decade of owning it surprisingly) and I starting wondering "why would I play this again even though I've beaten it?" It's because now I feel like I'm only just now, in the early hours of my second playthrough, starting to really learn the game and how to make a good party and take advantage of its mechanics. I could go on about the all the things I love about this game but it's learning curve is a big draw for me and I always thought this game was only the tip of the iceberg for the series.

[Anonymous No.3442641]

>>3442619
It's because RS3 and SaGa Frontier are much, much easier and more forgiving than Minstrel Song is.

[Anonymous No.3442738]

>>3442619
>>3442641
Actually it's because Minstrel song has 8 characters and one playthrough takes around 30 hours with mostly the same content.

SaGa Frontier has 7 characters and each playthrough takes around 8 hours, but also have more unique content between them.

[Anonymous No.3442780]

>>3442738
would you say SaGa Frontier is the better game because of that?

[Anonymous No.3442956]

>>3442780
Not the anon you're replying to, but what they said makes SaGa Frontier a great game overall. It's quick, more merciful than a lot of the series, and fairly unique.

Also, consider Blue a tutorial playthrough of sorts, since you have a fast travel type option, and his entire plot hinges around completing the magic sidequests, thus meaning you'll have a good idea of how to do a lot of them after that run. Also, since his particular MC mechanics work as they do, you'll be quite powerful by the time you reach his final boss, so it's less stressful than Riki or Lute's scenarios.

Sorry for tl;dr, but it's one of my favorite games, and I can't stress how much it and FFL2/SaGa 2 on GB opened my mind to this series.

[Anonymous No.3443029]

>>3442956
Everyone is always talking about how great SaGa Frontier is, so i am planning on playing it after my current run in Minstrel Song.

In my first playthrough as Albert, i clocked in at 69:10, i want to beat it in half that time as Hawke now. My current goal is to complete the trials of elore that i missed before and eventually Beat Death. If i cant do those two in the same playthrough, im thinking about choosing Gray next

[Anonymous No.3443076]

So RPG Limit Break did a Sa Ga run marathon it seems. Here you guys go this is a link to the Frontier run. I think you guys will "love" their commentary.

https://youtu.be/aJ7unvTzml4

[Anonymous No.3443276]

>>3442780
Yes.

[Anonymous No.3443286]

>>3443029
>69 hours
how

even at like 40 hours you'll start capping stats at 70 and your characters will complain about fighting too much

you can't even spend that much time repeating valhalland monsters 27 times or however many you're allowed to do

[Anonymous No.3443329]

>>3441437
Itoken was one of those people who began playing instruments when he was very young, I believe he already played in a band when he was 14 or something, not to mention he can play piano, sax and I believe clarinet as well.
>>3441541
Yeah, Minstrel Song is probably slower than Frontier 2, also because of the terribly slow walking speed, but saying that Frontier 2 battles are fast as Frontier, that's a bit too much, see how much a Bear Crush takes in Frontier and Frontier 2, Frontier 2 is much slower when it comes to battles, even the combo activation signal takes longer than Frontier.
>>3441921
>Right from the opening scene I recognized part of the melody
That's right, Hamauzu played a lot on leitmotifs for Frontier 2, the Feldschlacht battle themes are all rearrangements of Feldschlacht I, Besessenheit, a particular Boss theme also rearranges the game's main theme, same with the final boss themes.
It's an interesting soundtrack because it's basically a huge exercise in styles, having a bunch of themes and rearranging them by changing sections, instruments, tempo or keys isn't as easy as it sounds and Hamauzu did a good job, though of course it's not nearly as varied as what Itoken did for Frontier.
>>3442619
Minstrel Song is way too complex for the average newcomer and incorporates too many mechanics you have to understand, ER is very unforgiving and can force you to start over again when you don't even know how much you've fucked up and why, you have to make sense of sparking and waza systems, combos, ecology, magic, forging, classes, field skills, weapon types and you also have to figure out quests and puzzle bosses like the Jewel Beast.
You're right on the tutorial part, but it's still a much more complex and unforgiving game than Frontier or RomaSaGa3, those two let you learn all the basic modern mechanics and general game structure without being as complex and potentially frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3443536]

>>3443286
A lot of that time was spent aimlessly meandering about for one reason another and i hard time defeating saruin so i grinded a lot

>>3443329
>Jewel Beast
Whats the deal with the jewel beast? Even years ago, a friend and i could never beat him. Is he the strongest boss in the game or what?

[Anonymous No.3443626]

>>3443536
>Whats the deal with the jewel beast? Even years ago, a friend and i could never beat him. Is he the strongest boss in the game or what?
Not even close. Pretty much all he has is jewel blaster, which is a magic attack? You can pretty much survive with just good magic defense armor and second wind. Or even just use revive a lot.

Shirach, Death, Saruin, Corrupted Strom, even the 3 Minions fight are all probably harder. I think I even had more trouble with some of the Trials.

I also have to wonder what exactly your strategy was if you had to grind that much.

[Anonymous No.3443728]

>>3443626
>I also have to wonder what exactly your strategy was if you had to grind that much
In hindsight, i probably didnt need to grind that much, i just hadnt figured out the strategy to beat him yet. However, due to my inexperience with the game, i surely had a poorly made party. I had swapped out party members often, i wasted jewels and money experimenting with classes and learning about blacksmiths, the difference between modes, missed a good handful of sidequests, etc.

I do feel like my 2nd playthrough is going much better but im still getting the hamg of it.

[Anonymous No.3444618]

>>3443536
>Is he the strongest boss in the game or what?
No, but the awakened Jewel Beast is pretty much a puzzle fight due to being pattern based, if you can't figure out how to avoid or defend against Jewel Blast and kill it fast it can become quite problematic since Jewel Blast will be used more and more frequently as the battle progresses.
Normal Jewel Beast is much more simple, the challenge is to get there though since ER forces you to complete the quest at relatively low levels and if you can't figure out how to get there and getting strong enough to fight the pillar guardians AND kill the Jewel Beast before it awakens, well, you gotta learn to play the game better and git gud, it's the weakest of the special bosses in the game, Death and Shirach will push your shit much faster and harder than Jewel Beast.

If you want something really hard you should fight 10FS Saruin, him and the Full Powered Egg from US/EU Frontier 2 are nightmares, possibly worse than the Seven Heroes since at least you can cheese them with Quicktime if you have the patience to grind for hours.

[Anonymous No.3444719]

>>3443076

Well I know what I'm doing next time I've got 8 hours free, thanks for the link.

[Anonymous No.3445002]

>>3444618
i just looked it up the quest to defeat him early and I have to do one of the of Ecology Quests beforehand, among other things. Thats pretty bad and my current playthrough is already at ER 9 and i'm about to go into a place where i'll have to fight a lot for the Ailing emperor quest, and I haven't even unlocked the rest of the map past south estamir. Maybe i could still do it but that's a really tight deadline, i may have to dedicate a new playthrough for it. If Death really is stronger than that, then i really should resolve to finally defeat that monster once and for all.

[Anonymous No.3445551]

>>3445002
>If Death really is stronger than that, then i really should resolve to finally defeat that monster once and for all.
You should, Death is much more troublesome mainly because he doesn't just rely on one strong move like Jewel Blast and then fart a few weak attacks in between.
I don't know how many people in here would agree with me on this, but I personally think that Death is also stronger than base Saruin, same with Schirach, mostly because Saruin only gets serious on the second phase while Death or Schirach already start the battle at full power and are basically second phase Saruin strong all around, the only thing Saruin has more than them is his pillar attack but it shouldn't really be a problem if you're fighting him normally.

[Anonymous No.3445572]

>>3445002
It's the sort of thing you have to be planning to do from the start of the playthrough

also;
>not recruiting barbara and guella ha in every single playthrough
dude why

[Anonymous No.3445580]

>>3445551
Death is pretty easy if you just plop a rosalian officer in the front row and move everyone else to second or third row.

Even a defense mode geckling knight or martial artist will work if you decrease his strength.

I pretty much never use any formation other than Arrow, Reverse Arrow, or Mirsa's Circle

[Anonymous No.3445595]

>>3445572
Well im hawke so i start with guella ha. I could get barbera but i kind of want to keep using Diana for "muh roleplaying" since i started with albert

[Anonymous No.3445634]

>>3445580
Yep, it's pretty much the safest bet, minimizing row damage is the key against Death, have all members of your party equipped with a certain accessory and you're set, the only real worry should be his Gate attack and the eventual Animate Dead on an unprotected party member but then again, you can bait him just like Saruin.
Wish you could do the same for Schirach, Black Book and Temptation spam followed by Wave of Life and all those heavy hitter spells like Crimson Flare aren't so easy to deal with unless you farm equipment for everyone, and soloing her isn't easy either.

[Anonymous No.3445645]

>>3445580
This is my current formation, I dont fully understand the best formations for comboing yet but I just wanted my party spread out

>>3445634
>soloing her isn't easy either.
i seriously cannot comprehend how anyone could solo this game

[Anonymous No.3445654]

>>3445634
Hitting her in the brain over and over is pretty effective actually. If I recall correctly her Dex/Agi isn't that impressive.

You can also just cheese everything by scumming Phantom Swords (normal weapon treasure box item at ER11 or so I think?) and using nothing but martial artists for Phantom Warrior abuse.

[Anonymous No.3445664]

>>3445645
Without changing the roles that one would be better of you swapped the members on the sides so it made a V shape

Mirsa's Circle is that except flipped vertically

and if you make an ^ shape that works too, Stallion is way easier to trigger than Mirsa's Circle, but only works with dashing weapon/martial arts attacks

I think the one you have there is good for the Pillar formation, and it's close to the dragon formation but a little bit off the mark

[Anonymous No.3445673]

>>3445645
>i seriously cannot comprehend how anyone could solo this game
overdrive
there's other tricks as well, of course

[Anonymous No.3445707]

>>3445645
>i seriously cannot comprehend how anyone could solo this game
It's actually easier than Frontier, you just really need to know what you're doing, eventually you'll be able to do it too once you have a better understanding of the system, the big part of the fun in SaGa is challenging yourself further and further and find out all the crazy stuff you can do like vortexing with one party member alone with to Overdrive, Phantom Warrior abuse and so on.
The game's system is much deeper than you'd think, if you like learning versatile and complex systems in games that don't fuck around and try to screw you all the time, SaGa is probably some of the best you can find.
>>3445654
Don't forget Schirach has Black Ice, melee isn't really the best choice unless you use indirect attacks like Grand Slam which is actually pretty great if you're Sif, but I'd rather spam Phoenix Arrow or Triple Star while abusing Phantom Warrior than potentially screwing up a duel by underestimating Black Ice, and Phoenix Arrow also heals me to boot so I'll always stay in my HP comfort zone.
Though I don't remember whether Shimmer Strike counts as a contact type, so I might be wrong on martial arts and you could just spam Shimmer Strike, avoid triggering Black Ice and lower her stats as well.

[Anonymous No.3445715]

>>3445707
There are several attacks that won't trigger Black Ice though. Obviously if you're using bows in the first place, just use Id Break.

[Anonymous No.3446161]

>>3445664
do you know which formation is more likely to give me The Wheel vortex?

[Anonymous No.3446172]

>>3446161
I think the wheel is what I meant by mirsa's circle
XXOXX
OXXXO
XOXOX
like that
the game is like 10 years old sorry

[Anonymous No.3446176]

>>3446172
Don't sweat it. Its hard to find such information for this game since it's not a mainstream game like Final Fantasy

[Anonymous No.3446185]

>>3446176
It's really not
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/924486-romancing-saga/faqs/41854

[Anonymous No.3446280]

>when the boss combos with itself
>and still gets a third action in the turn

>>3446185
I'm actually looking at that. If the formation itself is in there, i haven't found it but i did see the order I'm supposed to use my characters in

[Anonymous No.3446403]

Whats a useful class for Diana? I don't really know what role I need her to be in as Hawke (Rogue) has replaced her as my Dex fighter. Gray (Swordsman), who i also need to decide on a class, is my frontline bruiser; Guella Ha (Templar) is the middle row cleric-type, and Myriam (Wizard) is my defacto magic damage dealer. Since she's forced to always have the Queen of Swords and it's an okay short sword, i guess, I want her to be skilled in it. Right now, her stats are:
STR 24
VIT 20
DEX 21
AGI 21
INT 10
WIL 18
COM 21
CHA 21

[Anonymous No.3446436]

>>3446403
Nothing wrong with rosalian lancer or imperial marine

[Anonymous No.3446879]

Holy shit I have a splitting headache but I finally put together a set of formations for Last Remnant

Did I make any mistakes? I fucking hope not.

Pyramid Union: Rush - Zuido - Hannah - Wyngale - Rhagoh
Hurricane Union: Torgal - Nora - Pagus - David - Baulson
Dragontail Union: Emmy - Blocter - Hinnah - Leucetius - Ludope
Flame Union: Irina - Empty - Empty - Khrynia - Glenys

This is good right? I made good decisions here. Now I just need to grind another 600 000g for the rest of my party members.

Seriously fuck the formation requirements in the PC version though jesus fucking christ.

[Anonymous No.3446889]

>>3410027
Always praise the steel!

[Anonymous No.3446890]

>>3410027
I wish Gustave's relationship with Leslie was explored a bit further in the game, she basically disappears past a certain point.

[Anonymous No.3447536]

>>3446879
Been a while since I touched TLR, but yeah, seems fine.
>fuck the formation requirements in the PC version though jesus fucking christ.
Never played the 360 version, how are they different?
>>3446890
Well, even in the novel Leslie kinds of disappears after she and Gustave have a "lovey dovey" talk after the creation of Hahn Nova iirc, and after Gustave dies she lives in solitude for the rest of her life.

It's really a sad story, Gustave still can't get over his past and fears that Leslie and eventually their children could be harmed/killed like it happened with Philippe's son, Leslie wants to marry Gustave but can't bear seeing him brooding about his past and falling into his depression and shitty self esteem again, Gustave's side of the story is really depressing, then you have Ventarbre desperately try to save Johan from the Scorpion's poison, Nebelstern dying just when Gustave needs him the most, Philippe turning into a Dragon and so on, being The Steel is suffering.

But I guess that's one of the reasons I like the Frontier 2 cast so much, all the main characters are people struggling with their own lives first of all, Gustave never overcomes his inferiority complex and the ghosts of his past but manages to unite humanity through his deeds although posthumously, Wil lives to see the end of his personal fight against the Egg but has to deal with the death of his family members and close friends, a huge price for saving the world, I like that there's no real happy end for both of the original protagonists, as much as it's sad, not many games manage to keep a tragic tone without either being gratuitous or sneaking in a happy end at the last moment.
To this day I still don't know who I like more, Wil the gifted bumpkin who becomes Tycoon Wil and still kicks ass at 80+ years and secretly fights to save mankind or Gustave, the fallen noble turned pariah who becomes the most revolutionary figure of his time through sheer determination.

[Anonymous No.3447839]

>>3447536
dude gustave is gay af

[Anonymous No.3447919]

>>3447839
Your mom is gay.

[Anonymous No.3447995]

>>3447536
>Wil lives another 16 years after the battle with the egg
Wil also contrasts a lot with Gustave even in gameplay, he's very well rounded compared to a specialist like Gustave. IIRC they only meet in one scenario, but I think that from dialogue Wil has towards the end of the game, after that they get to know each other better offscreen. I have to say that Gustave REALLY carried my first playthrough, between his sparks and the stuff I gathered by using him his party.

[Anonymous No.3448118]

>>3446879
>>3447536
TURNS OUT I fucked up because
David:
>Don't talk to Duke Ghor about our secret plans
Then
>Not talking to Ghor at that exact part of the storyline at three specific points locks you out of a quest that locks you out of a guild branch that locks you out of recruiting both Ghor and Zuido

also
>Pyramid Formation requires 5 male characters

The thing with the PC version is that not only does it add various formations that only THE SEVEN can use, you also now need to have at least two of them to make the most powerful formations work, meaning you basically have to use them or you nerf yourself.

I'm really on the edge of starting Hard Mode right now even though I'm not totally ready for it. Also really tempted to turn on manual equipment for my allies even though I told myself I'd wait till hard mode for the sake of purity.

now I need to figure out which one of Milton, Young, or Sneivan I'm going to find the least irritating to fix my fucked up formations.

[Anonymous No.3448168]

>>3448118
>The thing with the PC version is that not only does it add various formations that only THE SEVEN can use, you also now need to have at least two of them to make the most powerful formations work, meaning you basically have to use them or you nerf yourself.
As someone who hasn't played TLR and doesn't know any better, that doesn't seem like such a big deal.

Also, why bring up TLR here? Does it have anything to do with the SaGa games? Sorry if that's an ignorant question, i only barely know about that and it having a supposedly bad story and weird combat

[Anonymous No.3448182]

>>3448168
Get out of here John Snow

[Anonymous No.3448285]

>>3448182
i don't understand that meme but it was a dumb question anyway. I just wanted to know if it was worth trying out.

[Anonymous No.3448316]

>>3448285
lol

The Last Remnant is basically not called a SaGa game even though it's made by SaGa developers and has SaGa arts and spells in it, and SaGa game mechanics, and is filled with references to earlier SaGa games.

It's plot is utterly generic and inoffensive, I wouldn't really call it bad or good. At the very least it's not like it's blatantly stupid or anything.

There are some design decisions that are blatantly misleading or frustrating to the average gamer, but it's basically tolerable if you already like SaGa. I wouldn't really say it's as good as SaGa Frontier, or SF2, or RS2 or RS3, or Minstrel Song, or Unlimited SaGa, but part of me really wants to finish it for some reason.

[Anonymous No.3449115]

>>3447995
>after that they get to know each other better offscreen
Pretty much, though I guess most of it is hinted by Ventarbre being aware of the Egg and being Wil's informant during Ginny's generation, so yes, Gustave and Wil did have some time to talk, Gustave himself seem to hold Wil in high regards since he calls him Tycoon Wil when he refers to him and Wil also call him Lord Gustave so you can say that there was some mutual respect between the two.
>>3448118
Damn, I'm sorry, fucking TLR and its quest triggers, then again it's my fault, I should have asked you where were you in the game.
>>3448168
>that doesn't seem like such a big deal.
Trust me, it is.
>Does it have anything to do with the SaGa games?
Literally everything but the title down to spells, weapons, formation and waza names and effects.
Go play it, it's great stuff, it also has a few references to the old SaGa games, The Seven themselves are a pretty evident reference to the Seven Heroes, especially when you fight them as the Enlightened Seven, it's pretty much a reenactment of the Seven Heroes final battle down to the battle design.
It also has curiously a slightly better translation of waza and spells, for instance Galaxy is usually called Galactic Rift in localized SaGa, but it stays Galaxy in TLR.

[Anonymous No.3449131]

>>3449115
>fucking TLR and its quest triggers
Yeah I only found out like 6 hours of play later and I was like fuck nope.jpg

I'll get it on Hard Mode.

Sad thing is that it was literally the only quest I missed the entire playthrough.

just smhtbqhwtyf

I worked out a replacement set up using Pyramid, Dragontail, and two Flame unions.

The most frustrating thing about this playthrough is that I accidentally erased a certain specific rare monster that was necessary to rank up in one of the guilds, by getting in a fight at like some exact frame specific distance from it with two other monsters without actually getting it included in the zone, but still erasing it's spawn. Because of that there are like, 4 or 5 valuable magazines I can't get until the next playthrough

it's maddening

[Anonymous No.3449224]

>>3446403
I honestly wouldn't even care about the Queen of Swords past the early game - it's just a stat stick that gives you some Status resistance (IIRC)

Her current stats don't really matter - they're always grindable.

I kind of want to say Castle Knight if you don't care about the Jewel Discount since I don't think it shares any skills with her starting class.

[Anonymous No.3449849]

>reach Ewei on the isle of Evil to get the Emerald of Evil fatestone
>get a nice a wake up call and be wiped
>on top of having to watch a long cutscene before fighting him
Everything had been going so well up till now. I I dont remember this fight being so tough. His Meat Shields deal more than half of a character's health per hit and his Shockwave devastates any attempts at recovery. I'm just gonna have to reload an old save like a huge coward and come back later.

[Anonymous No.3449887]

Well, just finished my T260G solo run, clocked in 5:32 right before Genocide Heart, could have had at least one or two hours less if I didn't stubbornly grind for Satellite Linker who turned out to be not good at all for solo and fucked around doing half assed magic quests and killing bosses like Furdo or the Earth Dragon for fun.

It was fun figuring out how to solo all those bosses like Big Diggers and MechGod, I almost gave up fighting MechGod alone because it seemed completely impossible but I had a last moment epiphany that helped me push through its MagneticStorm spam unscathed, I guess I was lucky that Genocide Heart didn't Virtual Shift into the world with MagneticStorm, otherwise I would have been toast, that's the only thing that could do more than 10 points of damage to T260G and almost kill me instantly but let me tell you, I'll never, ever do this quest Solo again for the very first boss fight in the craters, there's no strategy for that fight other than praying.

I learned quite a few interesting things though, namely that Self Repair is affected by VIT, Magnify is GREAT for 90% of the game if you solo, Jammer is invaluable and that Warlord Armors are way better than PoweredSuits for soloing T260G quest.
BigDiggers were a tough puzzle since I was fighting them with Body Type 2 but I managed to find a sweet safe spot to kill them, I ended up not using TigerRampage at all though, too expensive.

Time to go back to Blue I guess.
>>3449849
Don't even bother fighting Ewei if you don't have Shield Breaker, he's not an easy boss and that spell is your key to victory.
I'm tempted to write down a simple strategy layout for you but I'd rather let you try and figure it out yourself, overcoming new odds on your own is the best feeling there is.

[Anonymous No.3449896]

>>3449887
>I'm tempted to write down a simple strategy layout for you but I'd rather let you try and figure it out yourself, overcoming new odds on your own is the best feeling there is.
That's good, i wouldn't like that anyway. I was just a little annoyed at my new roadblock. If anything, it's only pointed out the flaws in my party and now I'm working something out.

[Anonymous No.3449906]

>>3449849
>I dont remember this fight being so tough.
If you have a lot of AOE like Bows and a Fused Snowstorm in your party build, it's not that bad.

If you're trying to chew your way one by one through his Meat Shields, yeah, you're going to be reamed.

[Anonymous No.3449925]

>>3449906
I can make it a few rounds in and easily defeat his meat shields but by the time they come back Ewei has already cast shockwave at least once. It seems like I'm forced into the defensive where I'm trying to regain BP and heal someone and it just goes downhill so quickly.
I think it just may be a case of me being at a lower ER. Im pretty sure I'm somewhere around ER13-14 and the quest ends at 18. The problem is that I just never seem to have enough gold or jewels

[Anonymous No.3449946]

>>3449925
>The problem is that I just never seem to have enough gold or jewels
actually, i wouldn't even say this is a problem, I feel like i've been doing the right things for the most part, I just need to pull back for a bit and find another quest for now

[Anonymous No.3450297]

>>3449925
>I can make it a few rounds in and easily defeat his meat shields but by the time they come back Ewei has already cast shockwave at least once

Well, if that's the biggest problem you're having then you should just forge something with high magic resistance, keep in mind that Ewei has two priorities, keeping Aegis up and having two meat shields up, when both of this factors are present he'll go on the offensive and it's almost inevitable you won't eat at least one Shockwave once in a while, pick your party members roles in battle carefully and equip them to meet your own priorities depending on how you want to fight.

I don't remember his meatshields being dangerous in terms of attacks honestly, maybe I was playing in Defence mode or something, I was more worried about Ewei nuking me but then again, Shield Breaker already solves that problem.
And remember the key in defeating Minions, Ewei is a spellcaster, need I say anything else?

[Anonymous No.3450350]

>>3450297
lol you guys

Inflict status effects. You can stun or snare the meat shields. You can shock Ewei. Your source of shock should be Shock or Mindwave. Snare should be Earth Dragon or Maiming Volley. Stun with various throw techniques or Impact Slash/Lawnmower.

This is like SaGa 101 guys come on.

[Anonymous No.3451372]

Okay someone tell me the super boss battles in Last Remnant are not literally just
>get Cachexia and use Cachexia every single turn
because I will JUST

[Anonymous No.3452214]

>>3451372
Yeah Cachexia is pretty OP, it's basically a reverse Overdrive in a way so it's only natural most bosses will get fucked by that, I don't think it stops The Fallen from healing itself though, it's been more than five years since I last played TLR, I do remember it doesn't stop Armageddon at all though, but hey, considering it does stop most of its other arts it's still a net gain, unless Hand of God kills your union with the Cachexia user, it's kind of a crutch really, it can easily spoil you and can fuck you over if you rely too much on it since a few bosses have arts that aren't affected by it and people tend to focus to much on it and forget that other stuff is perfectly viable.

It's still a pretty high tier art and it's not that easy to learn compared to most stuff unless you grind like hell, iirc you can almost completely lockdown The Conqueror with it, unless he uses TaoTie, I don't think Cachexia can stop that.

It's a bit like RomaSaGa2 Quicktime, it can help you cheese bosses, but you have to grind a lot, it costs a lot and when you run out or lose access to it you're in for a tough ride.

[Anonymous No.3452298]

>>3452214
The thing with the Fallen, or rather, not the Fallen, but the Lost and Demigod, is that you apparently have to use Cachexia or you will be so busy healing and fixing the morale gauge that you don't have time to be doing damage every turn.

You can grind until you get the classes that block instant death, or you can grind until one healer carries each team and hope that healer never dies, or you can grind until you get Cachexia, or you can grind until you reach the Lost's base battle rank of fucking 200.

Regardless of your choice the answer is grinding.

I've heard that White Conquerer has some bullshit attacks that will fuck entire unions or all your unions if you don't Cachexia him constantly.

As is I said fuck grinding twice and already started hard mode, and I'm now in the desert at Battle Rank 2 grinding Grand Beetles with Mystic Seal on playing some sort of pseudo low level game so I don't have to start training until I get all my characters.

[Anonymous No.3452559]

>>3452298
>Regardless of your choice the answer is grinding.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, the big reason why hard mode is a huge slog is that you'll have to grind if you want to fight everything, but then again, so are most other SaGa games if you want to fight the full powered final bosses.

[Anonymous No.3452661]

>This cycle of Fetch Quests you have to do later in the game just to get the Raincloud Armlet that ultimately ends with needing to save up to 20,000 gold, only to be cucked by Galahad at the very end, all because the water dragon Strom is greedy fuck
>all only for 5,000 gold, jewels, and a piece of equipment
>I started this god awful fetch quest because I'm always broke as fuck anyway

[Anonymous No.3453157]

>>3452661
You have to save up 20k gold, but being that you don't actually have to PAY any of that 20k gold (since Galahad is the one that buys it and then you get it from him), it mostly just keeps you from buying expensive equipment for a long time until you get it over with (Muh Plate Mail).

[Anonymous No.3453416]

>>3452661
>>3453157
The Wisteria Bow is really really good though.

It's also really easy to get that much money.

[Anonymous No.3453569]

>>3453157
>>3453416
I remember this quest from my last playthrough. I'm just having a giggle because it's occurred to me how much work I've been going through just improve my party and how tedious it can be just to get to the Deities.

Minstrel Song is really goofy. It takes itself so seriously but it also really doesnt. Here you have this majestic, awesome Serpent hovering a sacrificial maiden and when you come to take the girl, he refuses, even when you offer him the ring back. He basically goes "W-Wait, this is my new waifu, you can't just take her like that! I let my friend borrow my toy, go get it back for me." Maybe it's just the way his voice is delivered but I get the impression that Strom is very lonely. He just wants to stay inside his temple with his toys and waifus when some humans barge in every now and then to pester him.

[Anonymous No.3453602]

>>3453569
Did you ever see the scene where the minstrel visits with Adyllis?

[Anonymous No.3453661]

>>3453602
yeah, i'll probably see it again in this playthrough. I like the personalities they gave the deities, they could have just been generic exposition and its not much but they have little touches that make them interesting.

[Anonymous No.3453728]

Alright I've worked out a tentative plan for hard mode which involves 3 dragontail formations and 1 flame, which MIGHT be ill advised but fuck it I'm doing it anyway.

First DT: Rush-Blocter-Hinnah-Leucetius-Ludope

Second DT: Torgal-Baulson-Milton-Hannah-Maddox

Third DT: Emmy-Zuido-Jager-Snievan-Pagus

Flame: Irina-Khrynia-Violet

it's funny because they're all virgins

[Anonymous No.3453891]

>At BR 5, about to fight the Conquerer's army for the first time

Amusingly, the hard mode low BR game is the most fun I've had with TLR yet

Also, for some reason Violet has unique model animations for dual wielding that I haven't seen any other character use

they kind of look pretty rad actually

[Anonymous No.3454052]

>>3453891
>BR6
>Finally Nest of Eagles
>spent over 2 million gold
>over two dozen revives
>running like a maniac from the kilohit murder machine
>despair
>heroism
>mother fucking KAZYNCY

I honestly did not think it was possible but I did it. Easily the best part of the game so far, and just about the only time the system actually made some fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.3454368]

>>3452661
>all because the water dragon Strom is greedy fuck
THAT WILL NOT SUFFICE
>>3453569
>I get the impression that Strom is very lonely
He's technically the one who's more in contact with humans, having a temple built for him and all that, Tuman making all that mess also indicates that he's dealing with humans pretty frequently.
And yeah, the four elemental lords all have their own quirks, Flame Tyrant is the nicest one but he's paranoid to the point of making you destroy a fabled weapon that it lately turns out is mass produced in Ettinham anyway, Kyllis is eternally menstruated, TinyFeather is a snob asshole and Water Dragon is a well intentioned but cranky old fuck, no wonder though, after all they were created by Saruin.

[Anonymous No.3454609]

I just wanted to clarify something:
In Minstrel Song, I am changing Diana's class from Rosalian Lancer to Rosalian Mage, which means that she will no longer have the Bow as a class skill. If i wanted her to use the Bow anyway, would the effectiveness of the bow skills suffer or would only the cost of dp/bp go up?

[Anonymous No.3454628]

>>3454609
The amount of DP or LP that you spend will go back to default, with a -1 to the cost for having any skill at all. That's it.

[Anonymous No.3455029]

Why are SaGa villains so great? They hardly ever get any actual development and yet they still manage to be far more interesting than 95% of JRPG villains.

[Anonymous No.3455116]

>>3419060

[Anonymous No.3455518]

YES
FUCK YOU EWEI, YOU PIECE OF SHIT, I HOPE I NEVER SEE YOU AGAIN

I finally won and Gray only had O N E LP left and low health but he used Smash to deal the killing blow after a long and grueling battle.

[Anonymous No.3455658]

>Pirate Invasion as Hawke
>Fuck Melvir, The Butcher dragged me down to hell, but we're going even deeper
>One-shot his big monster on the first turn with Shadow Shot and The Butcher has already lost
>Afterwards, go to Pirate Coast and the pirates in the hangout that went aggro in Hawke's opening quest are still there
>Mow them all down one battle at a time with hawke's Sword Ballet, that attacks all enemies
MEN BECOME DEMONS
PUNISHED HAWKE
ALL FOR REVENGE

[Anonymous No.3456394]

>>3455029
The Seven Heroes, The Egg and other villains like MetalBlack do get development, even Death and Schirach do to some extent, but it's all in the minimalistic style of SaGa.
It really depends on what kind of narrative you like, SaGa is more focused on making characters focused on few defining traits instead of mishmashes like Final Fantasy, the villains are the same.
One other thing that SaGa often does with its villains is giving them indirect screentime or development, Saruin for instance doesn't really get any lines but his end monologue, but you know he was the most evil of the Evil Gods, he created the four elemental lords, he used the Obsidian Swords and so on, what happens is that once you do get to him he fits the in game mythos to a tee, to the point that you can even see how he wielded the Obsidian Sword with your own eyes if you give it to him.
Most RPGs prefer to give villains a lot of screentime and a lot of dialogue, but the actual impact of the villain itself varies a lot depending on how much you empathise with it, SaGa tends to give you a lot of rumours and lore that you end up verifying for yourself.
There are villains such as Mondo, Yun Crimsonrain, Jeanne and Butcher who do get more screentime than average, those are more similar to classic villains in a way, though of course they still have the SaGa touches, Mondo appears directly in two stories and indirectly in all the rest as part of Trinity, Butcher gets more screentime if you play as Hawk and the Unlimited villains are more present than usual in their game.
In the end it all comes down to the narrative style you like I guess, I too prefer SaGa villains, I feel they end up having more impact, except for stuff like the Destroyer which is more or less a Zemus asspull, though I love Arsenal/Last Defense System to death and it's exactly that.
>>3455518
Good job Anon, cheers.
>>3455658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCocHyTVtpo
ORETACHA
KAIZOKU
Did you fight the minion in the sewers?

[Anonymous No.3456423]

>>3456394
>Did you fight the minion in the sewers?
I feel like I don't remember fighting a minion in the sewers

I remember fighting cultists in the seweres a few times

Oh wait doesn't a minion show up in the sewers just to get completely assblasted by schirach

[Anonymous No.3456863]

>>3456423
>I feel like I don't remember fighting a minion in the sewers
You can fight one during the invasion in Melvir, instead of going straight to the royal palace take a trip by the sewers and go check the altar where you fought the cultists in the early quest in the sewers, there's will be a fight with a Minion there.

[Anonymous No.3456951]

>>3456394
>Did you fight the minion in the sewers?
Uh oh i think i missed him. Did i make a big mistake? I honestly can't really be bothered to reload a really old save and will have to make sure i get him on my next playthrough

[Anonymous No.3457038]

>>3456863
yeah I know about that, you have to fight them because they're cursing the temple that's straight above them

I just didn't recall there being a minion

[Anonymous No.3457869]

After dabbling with SaGa a few times in the past I think I'm gonna try to actually finish a playthrough of Minstrel Song. Any of the MCs particularly good for a beginner? Last time I played Grey and spent around 30 hours just fucking around.

[Anonymous No.3457880]

>>3456394

You actually managed to explain why I liked them far better than I could have myself, even down to not liking the Destroyer but loving Arsenal for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.3457895]

>>3457869
I'm also playing Minstrel Song at the moment and I'd say Albert is the most appropriate choice for a first character. He makes a solid Paladin type with his stats and he also gets a costume change if you meet the requirements later on in the story, also, the game ends where his story begins

[Anonymous No.3458509]

Is there a way to egress quickly from a dungeon in Saga Frontier 1? Backtracking takes forever.

Also, should I avoid fights whenever possible?

[Anonymous No.3458659]

>>3458509
It's a lot tougher to screw yourself in Frontier by fighting too many battles than it is in RS3 or Minstrel Song. I do seem to remember that there is the occasional area that starts to be a problem as you get stronger, like the damn chalice shrine or whatever it is, but otherwise there's not much reason to worry about it.

[Anonymous No.3458670]

>>3447536
....is there a novel for Saga Frontier 2? Holy shit

[Anonymous No.3458720]

>>3456951
Nah, it's no biggie as long as you don't mind losing on a boss battle and a few jewels.
>>3457038
>I just didn't recall there being a minion
Don't worry, there's so much stuff to remember when you play this series it's no wonder you forget about it.
>>3457869
I'd say Hawke or Sif since they're very strong characters, Hawke himself doesn't have that much of a quest so you don't have to worry about extra work, Sif can get her hands on what is possibly the best accessory in the game bar none, she's hella strong, and a real fun character if you like what is basically female Conan the Barbarian, plus, she's voiced by the same VA who voiced Lenneth if you're playing the English version, and she does a very good job at it.
I wouldn't suggest playing as Grey first because his own quest is very frustrating if you don't know where to get the Mullock(7), but you can always read a guide for that and hope for the best since it's pretty much RNG based.
>>3457880
Well, from my experience, most people who like SaGa characters and stories tend to like it for such reasons, because it's very dry and on point narrative.
There's rarely long cutscenes of characters having dramatic monologues or lots of internal conflicts like other games, when there are such things they're always very down to earth and direct, even characters who undergo some great change in their personality don't do that.
Take Theodore, at first he stubbornly wants to condemn Raphael to death because of his own view on what is a knight and honour, but then, when you finish a quest in which neither have anything but a "don't die-you too" dialogue, he changes his idea of honour and finds some new meaning in knighthood by fighting with Raphael and your character, if this was FF you would have had at least three cutscenes showing Theodore progressively changing his point of view, which isn't necessarily bad mind you, but for some people it's simply too much.

[Anonymous No.3458721]

>>3458720

Then you have the lore and background narrative which always ends up talking about the world more than cutscenes will ever do, by travelling around Mardias you'll hear many legends which all turn out to be true to an extent when you see those legends yourself, and you also have some extra stuff sometimes like the story of Rosa Neimann and the Crystal Lake, RomaSaGa 2 gives you many visual and audio clues especially when you enter the various ruins in Austoroth, Terelutva or Eilunepp so if you pay attention to the decorations and music everything will come together the moment you enter the village of the ancients without even needing anything else, you'll immediately understand why Wagnas was so obsessed with the ruins to a certain degree because it's all a matter of connecting the dots instead of reading dialogue, same happens in Frontier for a lot of different things, from finding Annie's sister to Mondo's story.
Of course there are things that are a bit rushed, the Destroyer comes out of nowhere though I guess they did need to find something that could explain how the eclipse worked in a way, Arsenal/LDS makes a bit more sense since it explicitly ties to Apollo abusing the power of the relics to the point of creating anomalies in the multiverse's balance to the point that it activates this mysterious multiverse control bot, and twin gigantic sentry mechs of mass destruction in a universe with giants, petty gods fairies and robots are way more badass than a huge demon, and they even gave them a Gattai in the remake...
Cut content like Furdo doesn't make much sense besides giving an area more charm, the region of Nelson also doesn't really stand out and if it weren't for the gold exchange trick nobody would go there and they did put another gold exchange counter in there specifically because Nelson didn't have anything going for it once they cut what little content that region already had.

[Anonymous No.3458725]

>>3458721
Lastly, this is my last post I promise, what I think SaGa does differently from most other RPG series is a completely different approach to world building, mainly because it's more of a simulation RPG like Metal Max or Lunatic Dawn than a normal RPG.
What I think SaGa does in this respect is creating a world with its lore and story and then put some characters with their own story and motivations inside it opposed to other games like FF, SMT, PS or the likes that first create characters with their own story and then build a world around them, that's probably what attracts people to its narrative.
In SaGa you barely had stories that involve chosen ones besides SaGa 3, RomaSaGa 2 and to an extent Frontier 2, nobody in Mardias has really anything to do with Saruin, same in RomaSaGa 3 save Sara and Shonen, Frontier doesn't have a special final boss, every character has its own beef with someone else, similarly, Unlimited pulls Chaos on you only after you've defeated a personal boss and most characters don't really care about Chaos once they get to it, even less than Saruin who at least gets some respect from people like Galahad who feel honoured to fight against the legendary evil god, Chaos is a bonus, a lore element meant to legitimate the bad guys' own quests, Basil Galeos triggers Chaos with his greed and ambition, Yun triggers him by being a stubborn old fool and so on.
That in my opinion creates a more interesting world and set of characters, you're not playing as a special snowflake with a unique troubled past destined to be the greatest hero on the planet, you're simply minding your own business most of the times, in a way its more relatable and makes characters more genuine, I can relate more to someone like Harid or Wendy than someone like Aleph or Zidane, they might not be as "epic" or "complex" but for me they're way more human and sympathetic than a synthetic messiah or a super saiyan angel of death.

[Anonymous No.3459050]

About to play Saga Frontier for the first time, also new to the series. Any pointers? Should I just play blind?

[Anonymous No.3459218]

>>3459050

Play anyone but riki, don't fight too many unnecessary battles, exploration and experimentation are the key to success.

I think most people recommend asellus as the first character to go for

[Anonymous No.3459364]

>>3459050
>>3459218
Emilia is the best starting character.
>>3457869
>>3457895
>>3458720
>start with Albert, Hawke or Sif
>literally all the characters with the largest number of forced encounters
>even without any fights Hawke starts at the highest ER by default
>then the other two get locked into valhalland monsters without any of the tools necessary to juke their way through without Darque or custom starting classes
Why would you do this to someone, there's like half a dozen quests you'd want to finish early that you'll probably miss and feel the sting on your wallet for ages if you start with them.

Start with Jamil or Claudia, this is the actual correct decision.
>both start out strong, and quickly gain access to more allies and freedom to travel to new towns before you start fighting seriously
>both are part of essential starting quests that you'll want to repeat with other characters
>Jamil starts with better gear than literally any character other than Neidhart and Silver who only show up halfway through the game

[Anonymous No.3459414]

>>3459364
If you're new to the series, Jamil and Claudia can be hard to get into. At least with Albert or Hawke, you a more traditional start to the story to get you into the game.
>game about replaying
>caring about missing shitty early quests

[Anonymous No.3459428]

>>3459218
I dunno, Asellus has the mystic stuff which could be sort of confusing the first time through. Plus she has the damn ambush bosses that really can ruin your day if you don't know ahead of time where they show up. Her end boss is kind of brutal too. I'd probably go with Red instead, since he gives you a nice tour of the worlds before it sets you loose, and gives you Alkaiser form in important battles.

I'd also probably tell people to avoid Lute early on too, since the lack of storyline can really mess you up if you decide to try to follow it and get trapped in his end dungeon.

[Anonymous No.3459430]

>>3459414
not everyone wants to replay, and Albert's story is as generic and boring as anything can possibly get, he's the least interesting character by a huge margin

It's not like Claudia or Jamil are as barren as Barbara's shit, at least Jamil is entertaining and Claudia's possible sociopathy is intriguing

[Anonymous No.3459439]

>>3459430
Though I have to admit Albert is probably a lot more likable for girls

so he's a good starting character if you have a vagina

A real man with a beard who drinks beer and eats his meat rare of course would want to play Sif, but I wouldn't recommend that to someone who doesn't have the experience to handle a real woman

[Anonymous No.3459451]

>>3459439
>implying such sentiment isnt of insecurity or fetishism
>implying Albert's journey from being a boy to a man isnt inspiring as fuck
>not wanting to be the literal Hero
>not having a story that comes full circle like a proper generic story should

[Anonymous No.3459459]

>>3459451
>living according to fate decided by an ambiguous man in a fashionable hat
>in a SaGa game
shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.3459481]

>>3459459
>implying free will isnt a myth anyways
shaking my damn head to be honest senpai desu

[Anonymous No.3459507]

>>3459428
Not him but I always see Blue being referred to as being the ideal starting character? When my playthrough of Minstrel Song ends,. I was considering choosing him for my first playhtrough of Frontier

[Anonymous No.3459510]

>>3459481
>he doesn't know that god is evenly divided into all of us
holy shit can you be any more pleb

[Anonymous No.3459513]

>>3459510
lol
That's a new one, where is it from?

[Anonymous No.3459541]

>>3459513
holy shit nigger do you even ubermensch? I don't get my ideas from any place I take all the knowledge that's available to me and make my own ideas in even handed consideration of it

even in a deterministic universe where all my thoughts and actions are the sum result of the universe which birthed me, so too are all the potentialities of that universe apart from me deterministic and therefor influenced in their entirety by the decisions I make.

that's even if this were a deterministic universe, and not one where all potentialities exist simultaneously until the passage of time strips them down to a single route, and I don't know about you but personally I would rather dig at the soil with my bare hands and change the course of the river rather than be swept along with it like a retarded fish or mindless grain of sand

[Anonymous No.3459548]

>>3459507
Blue might not be bad, since it forces you to do some of the optional magic quests you would have to do anyway, and Blue himself just ends up ridiculously strong in his own scenario. But since it gives you pretty free rein on where you can go, it can be a little more confusing than scenarios that are a little more story-based. There is almost no story in his path, which I guess wouldn't be as much of a problem in a first playthrough since the shared quest stuff is still new.

He also literally has no ending, with the screen going grey when you land the last hit on his end boss, which pissed me off personally but might be fine with others if they knew what to expect.

>>3459541
If you two are really this bored, maybe you should find another game to talk about.

The only other thing I can think of about his scenario is that I think it tells you to hurry to beat his rival, but that ends up being total bullshit and you are better off being as strong as possible when you reach Rouge since it makes you even stronger afterwards.

[Anonymous No.3459682]

>>3459548
>If you two are really this bored, maybe you should find another game to talk about.
is this your response every time you read something you don't understand?

[Anonymous No.3460080]

>Pyrix is now Pyrocanis, an evil version of himself
Sorry? What is this? What was my "carelessness" ? Who even is this guy??

[Anonymous No.3460132]

And the award for the most annoying fucking boss in the game so far goes to Pyro Canis. Having to dispel his shield every fucking turn while paralyzes members is just absurdly irritating. Ewei was just hard, this faggot is just grating

[Anonymous No.3460158]

>>3460080
>What was my "carelessness"
You completely fucked up the Ecology quest and tanked the Elemental Lord's food source which presumably caused them to go hungry and become susceptible to corruption.

[Anonymous No.3460164]

>>3460158
oh...
Well.
I already did them all last playthrough, at least I think I did them all. I think I'd rather fight these new bosses than ever do another Ecology quest again in my life tbqh

[Anonymous No.3460216]

>>3459507
Blue's strong at the end of the game (though really, Lute is the only real bad MC and he has the special power of being able to be put in the back squad. I know someone is going to say Riki but Monsters are basically interchangable in terms of power level), he has a special item called the RegionMap which teleports you to any town you visited which is such a nice "quality of life" thing and the required quests you need to perform in his quest are the Magic quests that are optional in other character's stories.

Which is nice because you get them out of the way early and then later on when you're playing other characters you can be all "Hmm, maybe I'll skip the magic quests this time" instead of doing Blue last after you already played 6 characters and fully completing them every time because apparently some people do that.

[Anonymous No.3460905]

>>3459364
>Why would you do this to someone
Because I'm evil.
But seriously, you're making it sound like it's too hard, missing a few beginning quests as Hawke isn't so bad considering he's a very strong character on his own and getting to the mainland early should be easy, same with Sif, Valhalland Monsters is piss easy as long as you buy equipment before doing it.
If you think that's too hard then Barbara is the best character for beginners because she doesn't have a quest and conveniently starts in the Frontier so it's almost impossible to miss any quest with her, but she doesn't have Hawke or Sif's stats or gimmicks besides very large regeneration bonuses and she starts with Herman instead of Guella or Albert, in a way Barbara needs more effort in the beginning of the game while Hawke and Sif are carried by their superior stats and starting classes.
>>3459451
>>not wanting to be the literal Hero
The only thing I'd want in his case would be getting ravaged by Sif every night.
>>3460132
>Having to dispel his shield every fucking turn while paralyzes members is just absurdly irritating.
There's a number of ways to get around that though.
He's like Aunas, or rather, Aunas is like him, but he's also powerless against the Ice Sword, use the same strategy you would use against the Ifrit or normal Pyrix/Flame Tyrant, if you want to cheese him just wait until you get to Ettinham, buy Ice Swords for everyone and fuck him up, you'll need lots of money though.
Otherwise play smart, use magic, bows and indirect attacks such as Triple Star so that you won't ever trigger Self Burning.
If everything else fails, just use Overdrive.

[Anonymous No.3461373]

>Finally get the Wheel Vortex
>its wasted on a random minor enemy
Poor little Lizard man

[Anonymous No.3461479]

>>3460905
>If you think that's too hard then Barbara is the best character for beginners
It's not that it's too hard, it's that its inconvenient and irritating and makes it seem like the game is a giant slog where you fight dozens of random battles to go literally anywhere (you're not supposed to do this even though that's how it usually turns out anyway)

I also said to play Jamil or Claudia who start out with a reasonable amount of combat and get good introductory quests in the city where it's more about investigating and finding events, with combat only being the end result of the activity. This teaches better habits since it shows you that actually accomplishing objectives is how you get shit done and earn money and jewels, instead of something as misleading and cliched as the sequence of "subjugate monsters!" (the very next quest you'll hit after valhalland monsters is pride of knights in all likelihood) quests that will happen if you pick Albert or Sif.

It's also somewhat obvious that Hawke/Gray/Sif are more experienced adventurers and are meant to be played when you're more experienced at either this game or SaGa in general.

[Anonymous No.3462029]

>tfw you haven't played it for years but still know the game inside and out

[Anonymous No.3462093]

>>3460905
>Valhalland Monsters is piss easy as long as you buy equipment before doing it.
Different person - Honestly, my issue with Sif's start is less "it's hard" and more "it's tedious and boring as fuck" - why the hell do they make you clear out the caves TWICE?

When you already believe the game is good and are invested enough for more than 1 replays, this is tolerable, for a newbie, I rather point to something more like Claudia.

(Incidentally, I know Grey is suggested to be later playthroughs because the NG+ bonuses really help in tempering that sword, but I kinda think he's not that bad a choice if you don't give a shit about the katana... as paradoxical as it sounds)

[Anonymous No.3462102]

>>3462093
Gray does have pretty great field music

maybe the best field music actually?

of course, the worst is Aisha

holy shit I hate her playthrough so much

[Anonymous No.3462108]

Is there a reason to play through Minstrel Song with all of the available characters? Like, do any bonuses open up or anything cool like that? I feel like you'd be looking at probably 400 hours of gameplay if you did that.

[Anonymous No.3462121]

>>3462108
closer to 200 hours really, it shouldn't take much longer than 25 hours for most characters, like 30-35 maybe if you want to beat death, schirach, the four corrupted lords and 10FS saruin for some reason.

you get some fun little scene thingy if you beat it with every character

mostly if you want to see all the actual gameplay content you'll probably have to beat it like 3-5 times. 3 is the minimum even with optimal routes.

I personally find the game relaxing, it's kind of nice just to replay and clear it again for no reason sometimes, whether you're starting over from 0 or doing new game+

[Anonymous No.3462141]

>>3462121

It definitely seems like a game worth investing time in. I just started it up and picked Claudia, I'm digging it so far. She's really cute and strong.

[Anonymous No.3462158]

>>3462108
>Is there a reason to play through Minstrel Song with all of the available characters? Like, do any bonuses open up or anything cool like that?
If you beat all of the characters, you get a special cutscene where they all congratulate you, but you could honestly just go look it up on Youtube.

So it's not really something you aim in of itself, rather just a little extra at the end if you do accomplish that task.

[Anonymous No.3462160]

>>3462141
>I just started it up and picked Claudia, I'm digging it so far. She's really cute and strong.
she's one of my favorites, really doesn't put up with anyone's bullshit

[Anonymous No.3462231]

>found the Saruin cult and got into a fight with them
>Claudia immediately sparks rapid volley and slaughters the whole lot of them

[Anonymous No.3462461]

>>3462029
I wish I could take screenshots of my ps2.

Also how the hell do you have so much money already?

[Anonymous No.3462538]

>>3462461
>I wish I could take screenshots of my ps2.
He might have used Emulators

[Anonymous No.3462819]

>>3462538
yeah I sold my ps2 and copy of minstrel song so I could buy drugs back when I did drugs

emulators are pretty smooth now

also;
>>3462461
>Also how the hell do you have so much money already?
sold a bird feather, threatened the population of giant lizards, got a bunch of quests and treasure chests

the ratios there is about 1:1:1:2 respectively

it helps that I know which chests have fixed contents and can be collected early without hurting your later gains

[Anonymous No.3463381]

>>3461479
>It's also somewhat obvious that Hawke/Gray/Sif are more experienced adventurers and are meant to be played when you're more experienced
Really?
I'd say the one who's meant to be played as such is Aisha, since she's by far the weakest MC, her early game is pretty much hard mode since you must get a party ASAP and even so she's so frail you have to keep an eye on her all the time.
I agree that Grey can fuck you over big time early on if you don't know what to expect while looking for the Demonbrand in the tunnels, and the whole forging quest is such a pain if you don't know where to look for the items you need, especially when you find out most of them periodically appear in shops.
>>3462093
>why the hell do they make you clear out the caves TWICE?
That's a good question, it does help to build out Albert but you gotta say goodbye to the some early quests if you do so.
I guess it sort of evens out with her own quest later since the Dragon Orb is that good.
Even so, Romancing SaGa character quests are a bit meh compared to Frontier/Unlimited, they did spice up things a bit with Darque/Aldora and Friere but most of the characters' unique quests are pretty boring, Jamil's quest is fine but you can play half of it in every quest already, same with Hawke/Claudia, Aisha's so so, at least it spawned a great parody on Pixiv, Sif is decent I guess, Barbara is basically Lute and Grey's quest is forging a sword, in the end only Albert has a quest to speak of, RomaSaGa 3 didn't really get much better, Julian and Monica kind of share the same quest, Katarina's quest is kinda there, Ellen doesn't even have a personal quest, Thomas' quest is a minigame everyone has access to and Sara's quest is rescuing Shonen(?), only Harid and Mikhael end up having some truly unique content, and it's still not that much.

I don't really care that much, but when you think about it there's not much to look forward in terms of character quests when you replay those games.

[Anonymous No.3463536]

>>3462029
>having only main characters in your party
The games has so many fun side characters, it feels like a waste tho not use them. This is just me but I want to complete the game with entirely different characters each time, to give a playthrough a sense of identity

[Anonymous No.3463898]

>>3463381
You can't even lose Aisha's early game because Neidhart or Jamil will come and save you, she's almost Lute-tier to the extent that she herself doesn't even need to be good

[Anonymous No.3463909]

>>3463381
SaGa Frontier is always the best SaGa, but the others are still good

[Anonymous No.3463960]

>>3463536
You know it wasn't even intentional?

Jamil picks up Barbara almost automatically, it's what you're supposed to do right before Dowd leaves your party (which I allowed to happen for the extra scenes), and she's great so I just kept her. Then I got Claudia just because I grab Gray and her at the start to open up areas, and she sparked Id Break while I was clearing out the Saruin cult in Melvir and one-shot'd the boss so I was pretty much solid right there.

Sif on the other hand is just my favorite character in this game and I almost always get her for the Valhalland quests when I need to raise ER, and the last slot goes to quest NPCs and dragon knight

I actually felt bad because it's one of the only playthroughs where I won't keep Guella Ha for the entire game.

I also use Gian and Myriam sometimes, but I gotta admit I'm not really fond of Herman/Patrick/Galahad

[Anonymous No.3464417]

Quick question: In Saga Frontier 1, from one character's story to another, do their items and skills stay the same? What about your inventory? Does it get wiped out?

[Anonymous No.3464436]

>>3463898
What about past that? Neidhart doesn't even join permanently until you do the standard Diamond retrieval even as Aisha IIRC.

And the kidnapping scenario is a bit tricky to trigger IIRC, so you're left with a character that's kinda bad at the start (though honestly pretty good once she gets going) having to gather her party compared to characters whose starting scenarios practically hands them some other warm bodies to help even things somewhat.

>>3464417
It basically a complete wipe with a very small specific bonus to certain characters depending on what BR you ended the previous playthrough at, but nothing to particularly go out of your way for.

[Anonymous No.3464471]

>>3464436
Dang it famalan, that's rough, thanks.

[Anonymous No.3464649]

>>3464436
>What about past that?
There is literally nothing, literally absolutely nothing standing between you and the other party members you need to recruit. I don't even know what you're actually saying, that it's a problem that you have to go and talk to them? You just run away from monsters and go over to Uso or Northpoint or Crystal City and then you have party members. You even get a free do over in case you don't realize you have to run away from monsters.

this post makes no sense

[Anonymous No.3465512]

these games are pretty weird sometimes

[Anonymous No.3465880]

Reminder that in roughly two weeks we'll get new info and a PV for Scarlet Grace at TGS, you better get hype.

>>3463960
>I actually felt bad because it's one of the only playthroughs where I won't keep Guella Ha for the entire game.
Guella is really popular around here.
Well, he deserves it, he's best boy after all.
>I'm not really fond of Herman/Patrick/Galahad
I can understand Herman, But Patrick and Galahad?
I also wish that Herman kept his Satoshi Kon design rather than that cartoony new redesign, him and Farah are pretty appalling in Minstrel Song compared to their original designs. Though I was pretty surprised to see that Galahage has a mild fanbase in Japan, he's one of those characters that got more appreciation only due to his redesign.
>>3464471
To add on that anon's answer, there's a neat extra if you complete all the characters' quests. so keep that system data up do date.
>>3464649
>this post makes no sense
He's not really wrong, Aisha's quest is pretty risky for beginners who don't know where to go and what to do, she's weaker than any other MC and starts with no one to keep her company in a region where it's pretty easy to end up getting involved into quests, and even with companions she's pretty much a deadweight until she at least catches up with any other party member.
Sure, once you know what to do it's not a problem, but if I had begun with Aisha back when I was new to MS I'd probably had a very hard time compared to people like Sif or Gray.

[Anonymous No.3465970]

>>3465880
>pick a little girl for a character
>go to fight wild monsters with fangs and horns and knives and shit
>why can't I solo these life or death encounters this game is awful
there isn't anyone actually like that is there? of course the girl has to find someone to protect her, that's just common sense

[Anonymous No.3465996]

>Finally defeat Pyrocanis
>but during the battle, Diana ran out of LP points and died permanently
>turns out i cant revive her from death
fugg, such a long spent all for nothing. Now I have to do it all over again without letting anyone die like that.

[Anonymous No.3466018]

>>3465996
>>turns out i cant revive her from death
if she's not in hell she's probably not dead

[Anonymous No.3467065]

>>3466018
well I'll be damned
Not only is she merely back in Oapu, she also still has all of her gear and herstats are the same
Damn, this changes everything. That so much less punishing than I was expecting.

[Anonymous No.3467473]

>>3465970
>there isn't anyone actually like that is there? of course the girl has to find someone to protect her, that's just common sense
For people who are coming in from WRPGs or are SaGa fans, probably not.

For those coming in after Final Fantasy completely demolished and atrophied the thinking levels of most of its players? Definitely

[Anonymous No.3467797]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2GPfm7o_lg

Minstrel Song has the best voice acting.

[Anonymous No.3467834]

>>3467797
kek
i like that they went through the trouble to give each one a unique voice

Unironically though
it has one of my favorite openings ever,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQs1TrdhEA

[Anonymous No.3467983]

>>3467834

Yeah, the opening is amazing, one of the few I never skip.

[Anonymous No.3468014]

>Finally unlocked the Trials of Elore
This is the first time i've even seen this area, its good to know that I achieved my goal for this play through, i was getting worried after awhile, especially after I got two Benedictions from Elore during my fight against Pyrocanis

[Anonymous No.3468051]

>>3468014
If anything that's the easiest one to get because all you gotta do is buy cosmology spells at the temple

and there's really not a lot to spend your money on late in the game

[Anonymous No.3468068]

>>3468051
if I can complete the Trials, then should I be strong enough to defeat Saruin? I'm debating as to wether or not I'll go through the trouble of defeating the other three dark elemental lords

[Anonymous No.3468132]

>>3468068
depends on how many fatestones you give him

though it's really more about strategy and preparedness than outright strength

[Anonymous No.3468149]

Does anybody find these games to be really depressing? They feel really bleak to me.

[Anonymous No.3468161]

>>3468149
SaGa Frontier isn't all that bleak

Romancing SaGa has an evil god messing everything up

TLR is a world cursed with endless war and monsters

SF2 has it's ups and downs

Usually it's because of the presence of a clear enemy or unbalance in the world that you put an end to so it sort of makes sense.

If you're talking about the first three SaGa games on Gameboy, those are literal dystopias, so they should be really.

[Anonymous No.3468194]

>>3468149
i suppose Romancing SaGa is depressing if you find not being an important individual amidst the grand scheme of things to be a depressing thing.

[Anonymous No.3468204]

>>3465970
>>why can't I solo these life or death encounters this game is awful
Come on Anon, don't be silly now, that wasn't my point.
And Wendy wasn't that weak.
>>3465996
There is no true permadeath in Minstrel Song, though the game does permanently lock you out of some characters if they die or you sacrifice them to Death, Frielei/Friere for instance, but then again Friere also won't join you later if you don't make her a party member after doing her quest.
The true "permadeath" condition, as in characters not reappearing in their spawning points, is only for a few specific cases like killing Galahad for the Ice Sword or sacrificing someone to Death for equipment, and then again you can ask Death to revive them.
The only games with permadeath in the series are the very first SaGa and to an extent RomaSaGa 2, since generics do die but you can eventually recruit them again since the list cycles through all units.
>>3468014
Trials of Elore is a rather long boss rush, you better be careful, once you enter it there's no turning back, some bosses can also slap your shit in the long run if you're unprepared, see Amul Amut and the likes, it's a test of versatility and how much you know about the game.
>>3468068
>should I be strong enough to defeat Saruin?
It's a different kind of fight.
Bosses in Trials of Elore aren't too tough taken one by one, it is however rather taxing as you must fight a lot of them with no break, Saruin is completely different.
First of all he has tricks such as animate dead or his parry that no enemy in ToE has, he has more HP, gets more consecutive actions and his second phase also has the pillar gimmick.
ToE is more about being versatile as you fight bosses with different strengths and weaknesses, so it tests your knowledge of the game by pitting you against many different opponents, Saruin has a much tighter pace and relies on building a superior strategy/abusing the combo system to win, especially during its second phase.

[Anonymous No.3468208]

>Amul Amut is literally a giant house cat with a jester hat
kek

[Anonymous No.3468220]

>>3468204
Saruin definitely has an achilles tendon though
HAHA DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE

[Anonymous No.3468248]

>>3468204
Amul Amut wasnt so bad
But I can definitely see how he'd fuck you over if you haven't been paying much attention to the game
>apparently nearing the end of ToE
>Guella Ha only has 4 LP left
>sweating.jpg

Weirdly enough, when i got Captain Silver, I was really worried about her low LP (7) but she's easily my most sturdy character. She rarely ever gets killed and has crazy good defense. She practically carries my team at this point

[Anonymous No.3468273]

>>3468208
It's cute isn't it?
>>3468220
Anon, pls.
>>3468248
>I can definitely see how he'd fuck you over if you haven't been paying much attention to the game
That's pretty much the entire purpose of the ToE, to see if you've been paying attention, there's nothing unique to it, it's basically a long catalog of boss fights who also happen to use other bosses' gimmicks and strategies. Also, since you've passed Amul Amut I doubt anything else will surprise you at this point, the cat is usually what makes or breaks the run since it's the only boss that can take you unprepared as it relies on strategy rather than just stats.
>She rarely ever gets killed and has crazy good defense.
That's because she's a Dragonite, she also has pretty good stats but her class is what seals the deal, she's still pretty frail though, never use her against 10 FS Saruin, or Death if you don't have a certain accessory and/or you don't know how to fight it.

[Anonymous No.3468291]

>>3468273
>the cat is usually what makes or breaks the run since it's the only boss that can take you unprepared as it relies on strategy rather than just stats.
Yeah, the high Agi wasnt really that much of a problem, there are plenty of ways around it. Speaking of which though, i'm still a little confused by Starlight. It seems like a great spell but what exactly does it actually protect from because I was still able to get plenty of melee hits and sometimes spells be blocked, and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.3468367]

I did it, I beat the Trials of Elore. Honestly though, the only boss that really gave me trouble at all was the Plant one (Irmunsul?) but thats only because I wasnt expecting him to be able to wreck my party with Tremor, i beat him on my second try easily.

Damn, i really wish i did this quest with Albert, i'm really curious as to what his conversation with Elore would have been, especially after he gets Mirsa Amor and his outfit change.

[Anonymous No.3468402]

Anyone else's emulator crashed when you beat the last boss on Red's story?

[Anonymous No.3468467]

In Minstrel Song, does everyone spark skills the same way? Or are some characters better at sparking skills for a certain weapon type than others?

[Anonymous No.3468525]

Wew, Gigavi (Dark Avi) is a huge pushover compared to Pyrocanis. It was a battle that was mostly reliant on status ailments but he never really was able to fuck my party up with flat damage

>>3468467
i believe everyone is the same
What matters is what the character has a Skill Level in and if you're fighting strong enemies. Its entirely up to chance otherwise

[Anonymous No.3469873]

bump

[Anonymous No.3469908]

>>3452661
I remember grabbing the ice sword out from under galahad's nose by just entering the shop without having enough money, then liquidating my assets until I did and bought it on the spot, fuck that noise.

[Anonymous No.3469910]

>>3469908
but you can get it for free

[Anonymous No.3469913]

>>3469910
But I want it NOW, and I don't want galadhad following me around.

[Anonymous No.3469936]

>>3469910
You get it for free
but you still need to save up for it
thats the hard part id you have no money in the first place
At that point, the only way you could get it is to either have a bunch of shit to sell, or do the Mine Assaulted quest and get 30K for saving all the miners

[Anonymous No.3469998]

And that's all of the Dark Elemntal Lords down. In order from the easiest to hardest:
Gigavi < Slask < Kyllis < Pyrocanis

Kyllis is only hard at the start because she has, like, 7 extra heads that spit out small damage and poison that you need to kill, but after you start killing off the heads, the battle is won.

Pyrocanis is the hardest because of his constantly regenerating shield that shuts down your best damaging physical attacks without taking an extra step to do something about it which is a sub-optimal outcome but its what you gotta do. It's also because he has the ability to attack multiple times right off the bat and he attacks with paralysis multiple times a turn. He's the only one I really struggled with but to be fair, he was also the first and I was an ER rank lower than when i fought the others.

I guess i just gotta grind till ER 22 so i can get the Obsidian Sword fatestone and then I can finally put this playthrough to rest. I might try the jewel beast at least once but I dont really care that much, i'll save that faggot for my next playthrough

[Anonymous No.3470061]

>>3468291
>i'm still a little confused by Starlight.
Iirc Starlight is a shield that acts the same way Water Ball and Dancing Leaves do in RomaSaGa 3, so a random chance of nullifying an attack but I'd need to check again.
>>3468367
>especially after he gets Mirsa Amor and his outfit change.
Iirc the outfit change doesn't change the conversation with Elore, congrats on passing the Trials.
>>3468402
I never played Frontier on emulators, but an anon here did, I don't recall him having such problems.
>>3469998
Good job on defeating the corrupted elemental lords, also, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the series but their weapons have subtle/not so subtle references to other SaGa bosses in case you haven't noticed, perhaps the most evident one is the Cosmic Egg weapon, which references Frontier 2's last boss.
If you feel confident you can give Saruin a few Fatestones, but maybe you might want to save it after you deal with Death and Schirach, Saruin with certain Fatestones might be a tad too much to deal with in a casual run.

[Anonymous No.3470208]

>>3470061
>Saruin with certain Fatestones might be a tad too much to deal with in a casual run.
Yeah, giving Saruin any fatestones is more effort than im willing to put in because, for now, i fight him because i want to move on to the next playthrough. Improved Saruin and his 10FS version is the last thing i plan to do with the game eventually. That wont be for awhile.

[Anonymous No.3470227]

>>3469936
get over 10000 at the start of the game just by selling the fixed dinosaur eggs and avi's feather.

you can even get more eggs that are worth like 5-7k each if you can count your battles and get them like 7 different times for an absurd amount of cash. theres no way to know that without a guide though.

getting to the top of mt scurve is easy, and getting the first batch of dinosaur eggs takes nothing other than lurk, even level 1 is probably good enough to avoid dinos

avi's feather is a worthless hat too, there's no reason to keep it

[Anonymous No.3470827]

This will never not be hard...

[Anonymous No.3471039]

>>3470827
one day maybe I'll make a hack where Cody and Gus have the option of standing atop a mountain of corpses, screaming to the heavens while soaked in blood and entrails like Guts or something

[Anonymous No.3471303]

>>3470827
That part always reminded me of Oda Nobunaga for some reason.

[Anonymous No.3471371]

Aw ye, I beat the video game as Hawke. I love this ending; this time I beat Saruin in my first attempt too, as opposed to the many times I died to to him during my first playthrough. Goes to show that I've really come a long way. I ultimately clocked in at 45 hours and 33 minutes, compared to my first run of 69:10. maybe my third playthrough will go faster since I likely will not go for the ecology or dark lords next time. I suppose I'm going to play as Barbera next and i'm going to try and save the frontier and beat the jewel beast.

Before that however, I'm actually finally going to play SaGa Frontier. I've been holding it off until i was done with this playthrough and now it is time to see for myself if I'll love it as much as I love Minstrel Song. I suppose Red seems like a good character to start with...

[Anonymous No.3471453]

>>3471371
Red's got kind of a hard start since you really can't pick your battles and have to fight your way through a gauntlet before you get to roam free

but I suppose they all have their rough spots

[Anonymous No.3472203]

>>3470827
Johan was too good for this world.
I hope that one day, if they make a Director's Cut or something they include his badass as fuck death scene from the novel.
>>3471303
The South Citadel was similar to the Honnou-ji incident in a way, both Nobu and Gus die in a fire with a loyal attendant due to political scheming.
Gustave is similar to Nobunaga, although he's a more romantic figure.
>>3471371
Good, as you see the more you play the games the better you get, it's pretty cool to see how much you can learn, SaGa is a very rewarding series if you take the time to learn all the tricks.
>I'm actually finally going to play SaGa Frontier.
So many people playing Frontier lately, damn Kawazu, what are you waiting for? Give us a proper Frontier Remake already, that shit would print money.
> I suppose Red seems like a good character to start with...
As a part of the MC Monster Trio Red is very good, but he has a gimmick you shouldn't abuse and he often has parts of his own quest that can be tricky to solve or unexpected, especially the early Cygnus section against the Region Pirates, in that sense, Blue is better since you can freely roam around without weird quest triggers.
All the rest is normal SaGa progression, if you like Sentai/Toku Red is great because it follows all the major tropes of the genres, if you can't stand the over the top silliness, you probably won't enjoy it as much, but Frontier as a whole is extremely over the top in anything it does.
A few pointers, Frontier goes back to the GB SaGa races, that means you have four different races that all develop differently and have access to different abilities, you'll have to learn how to handle those, lastly, all characters have their own boss unlike MS which redirects everyone to Saruin, there's no big bad in Frontier but rather, many different stories.
Also, the localized script is very dry unfortunately and there's many translation errors, not like MS was perfect, but Frontier is definitely worse.

[Anonymous No.3472271]

>>3471453
Ironically, that linear start is why i chose Red in spite of the series' openness. I don't mind a gauntlet if it helps keep me from getting lost as i learn the game
>>3472203
>there's many translation errors
How bad? Anything that may cause a problem in the long run?

Im also curious about this "monstet trio". Red"s race is listed as Human

[Anonymous No.3472398]

>>3472271
>How bad?
All characters lose a great deal of character, especially people like Fuse, Lute, Leonard, Gen and the whole Gradius team, Minstrel Song at least managed to convey more through voice acting, sometimes not in a good way, but Frontier doesn't have such luxury.
They also changed a few names, Emilia became Emelia and Zeke's name was completely different, but the same happened with MS calling Flamme and Friere Flammard and Frielei for instance.
Some characters' parts of the dialogues are also completely omitted, which makes routes such as Asellus' or T260G's much more dry, iirc they also removed the comments by the Nakajima engineers on Zeke during the banter they had for its introduction, but I might be wrong on this, it's been years since I've played Frontier in english, another example that comes to mind is the in battle dialogue with Shuzer in Red's scenario but I'd need to spoiler you his route to explain that so I'll do that after you play it.
>Im also curious about this "monstet trio".
The monster trio is made up by Asellus, Red and Blue.
They're called like that by fans because they're mechanically broken characters due to their own gimmicks, Red can Henshin in a form which gives him tremendous stat boosts, though there's a catch to it, Asellus has a similar henshin mechanic since she's a half mystic, meaning she grows as a human, can learn human techs and also has full access to all the mystics benefits by turning into half mystic, that is stat boosts and eventual Mystic moveset(though the ending will also change depending on it), Blue is the only character that can learn every spell in the game bar unique schools like Zozma's or Rei's, but having access to Overdrive, Stasis Rune and Tower on the same character obliterates everything forever.
T260G can also compete but almost every mech can become just as broken and mechs still don't have access to something like Overdrive, T260G is virtually invulnerable to anything but MagneticStorm though.

[Anonymous No.3472453]

>>3472398
Thats a real shame about the translation and thats not an uncommon problem. Its only really terrible if it puts me in a bad situation so i can put up with. The only eay to get around would be to learn moon...

I also have heard Frontier is unfinished? Are we talking Final Fantasy 12 unfinished, where the story and scope was clearly meant to be more but we still have a decent product; or full blown MGSV unfinished, where the final act is just simply gone?

[Anonymous No.3472526]

>>3472453
I think we're talking Xenogears unfinished.

[Anonymous No.3472634]

>>3472526
I havent actually played xenogears. Is that bad?

[Anonymous No.3472645]

>>3472453
Fuse scenario is totally not there but assets from it exist to find in the world, like the organization he is a part of is a place you can travel to but there's not really anything you can do there and definately nothing to fight or find.
Lute's scenario only has two events unique to him and one of them triggers his final dungeon.
Certain characters have multiple endings and everyone else has one.
Half of the characters just have some really weird ways their stories sort of end up reaching their conclusion, not gonna spoil anything but the particulars of Riki's lead up to the ending feel half hearted, especially in terms of the antagonist.
Blue's scenario you need to read the guide for it to understand just what the fuck that ending was, it will make you mad once you find out.

There's characters that you can recruit that should have much larger backstories to them than are actually presented, like the one mystic doctor who clearly has some kind of past and want to join up with a certain main character but none it will ever be explained.

It's just there was too much for them to add before the chopping block came down.

[Anonymous No.3472659]

>>3472398
Honestly T260G would beat the shit out of Asellus and Red

[Anonymous No.3472771]

>>3472645
Hearing all that makes it hard to believe that Frontier is really considered the best for reasons beyond nostalgia. I've only just gotten into though so i can't really say for myself yet.

[Anonymous No.3472808]

>>3472634
Didn't have enough funds, stopped making content where they were, made sure it could pass as a game.
For Frontier 2 it's more difficult to tell because the game as a whole is very fragmented, but they definitely had more scenarios planned and ran out of budget. At least I can see a game like that running out of budget, considering everything is drawn.
Xenogears is from around the same time period, and also ran out of budget (again, I can see this happening) and as a result disc 2 is... well, a lot like a linear Frontier 2 actually. You walk in a small area, do a boss fight, cutscenes that seem like a visual novel, rinse and repeat until you're at endgame and free to do whatever you want. Considering FFVIII's final disc, I have the suspicion they might have run out of budget there, too. I think Square had a serious problem with budgets in the PS1 era, but they were funding so many games that maybe there's that. Apart from Final Fantasy, there was Tobal 1 and 2, Tactics Ogre, Racing Lagoon, Parasite Eve 1 and 2, Bushido Blade 1 and 2, Einhander, Ehrgeiz, Legend of Mana, Soukaigi, just to name what's on top of my mind.

[Anonymous No.3473138]

>>3472771
you just gotta play it

what's there is honestly amazing and so well balanced and light

it's like comparing a japanese katana folded over one million times to a pig iron 100 hour wrpg broadsword

[Anonymous No.3473475]

I really wish i had the manual for this game. I've tried digging around via google but a pdf of this manual is apparently really hard to come around. All I can use the wiki and gamefaqs.

Alkaiser can only be used when Red is alone but it also prevents him from growing at the end of battle? damn, thats so harsh, why even use it?

[Anonymous No.3473527]

>>3473475

It's to stop you from using it to plow through every single easy fight. It's best to use regular Red during normal fights to grow his stats, then turn into Alkaiser for harder fights.

[Anonymous No.3473537]

>>3473527
On a side note, Alkaiser looks pretty damn sick in that artwork, which is good because Red looks like a huge dork

[Anonymous No.3473619]

>>3473475
>>3473537

[Anonymous No.3474079]

>>3473475
Feel like I should just share this on the off chance you haven't heard it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugQfuu1Y6Q

[Anonymous No.3474445]

>>3474079
I wish we could have cutscenes of Alkaiser with the same proportions as in his art because i think he unironically looks really cool.
Red doent look as much like a dork in artwork too >>3473619


In Red's story, is when you leave the cygnus in Yorkland when the game truly begins? Thats where i stopped last night before going to bed

[Anonymous No.3474646]

>>3472659
In a PvP scenario, yeah, mechs beat the shit out of anything else because they're basically immortal and hit just as hard as humans, but then a fast monster with Magnetic Storm walks all over them.
Game wise though, mechs don't have access to ultra broken stuff like magic, and especially T260G can't afford to just spam mostly one strategy and win if you solo, which is what happens in other runs, unlike Red or Asellus that can rely on magic and superior WP pools T260G is forced to gauge a meager 50 WP for boss fights, and what my solo playthrough taught me is that no matter how much armor you pile over your mech, a 2 men combo from the right monsters or a MagneticStorm and you're dead just like everything else, on that matter humans at least don't have a tremendous weakness so even if you don't survive a combo there's nothing that can kill you in one hit unless you go up against a quest boss.
On a slightly unrelated note, I REALLY like how Imperial handles character PvP, if the races worked like the mainline SaGa it would be pretty addicting, now that they also added equipment the game really shifted to PvP more than anything, it has a few pretty good concepts for a web browser game, some of those would be pretty cool for a mainline game actually, like giving the option to power up magic or waza in terms of power or accuracy, character PvP mechanics and the reinforcement concept, which is similar to what happens during the Maximus fight in RomaSaGa 3.
>>3473537
>which is good because Red looks like a huge dork
Red is definitely a huge dork, that's why people like him, he's a hotheaded boy with the power of Justice.
In Lord of Vermilion: Arena Red/Alkaiser is voiced by Nobuyuki Hiyama, so it can't get more stereotyped than this.
>>3474445
> i think he unironically looks really cool.
He is, though I like Alkarl more.
>is when you leave the cygnus in Yorkland when the game truly begins?
Yep, you're on your own from there.

[Anonymous No.3474746]

>>3474646

Alkarl is cool as fuck, I wish you got to control him for more than the very first fight.

I also wish Imperial SaGa was translated :(

[Anonymous No.3474852]

>>3474646
there are no monsters that are faster than mecs

[Anonymous No.3474857]

>>3474646
>on that matter humans at least don't have a tremendous weakness so even if you don't survive a combo there's nothing that can kill you in one hit
except for status effects to which mecs are almost always immune except for magnetic storm or other specific mec-targeted status attacks

Humans on the other hand are vulnerable to just regular status attacks unless they wear equipment to guard against it which will count against their defense or they grind stats forever to mitigate the probability.

[Anonymous No.3474862]

>>3474646
Alkarl looks kinda like a villain desu, it might just be the black color though

[Anonymous No.3475410]

What is the meter on the top right with a Sword on its Left and Stoff on the right? Sometimes, it even has a crown on it

Also, do battle positions work like in Minstrel Song? Does it matter if I Switch Position when choosing a team at the start of a battle?

[Anonymous No.3475457]

>>3475410
Mastery

if you change your skills it changes the balance, if you have 6 jutsu or 6 waza and none of the other it turns into a crown, and all jutsu or all waza will have a 1 point cheaper cost to use (which actually makes them weaker but also more efficient), and you'll have an increased chance to learn techniques of the associated type.

[Anonymous No.3475461]

>>3475410
oh about battle position, usually characters at the top of the list are most likely to get attacked and ones at the bottom are least likely.

your formation is predetermined for you so sometimes there's a back row and sometimes there isn't.

as for being set forward or back before battle, being forward does more damage with fist and sword techs unless they're ranged. defending or getting hit with an attack that pushes you back, or just starting in defensive position before the battle starts, will reduce both the damage you take and the damage you do with melee techniques.

[Anonymous No.3475705]

Somehow I won and I still havent found a 5th party member yet. Something tells me this game is rather short because this is supposed to be one of the emperors of blackX but I still feel like im just stumbling around.

[Anonymous No.3475709]

Somehow I won and I still havent found a 5th party member yet. Something tells me this game is rather short because this is supposed to be one of the emperors of blackX but I still feel like im just stumbling around.

[Anonymous No.3475764]

>>3475709
It's about 6-12 hours per character

I think Red's can be speedrun in like 1-2 hours.

[Anonymous No.3475993]

Its such a shame that Fuse couldnt be a playable character, I can tell he easily would have been my favorite character. Cool attitude, good in hand-in-hand, and down to earth probably the most relatable visual design out of all the characters.

[Anonymous No.3476080]

>>3474852
Depends on your loadout, there are monsters that are faster than mechs that don't have maximized speed and iirc some monster forms like Dullahan or Mariche are very fast, Though I guess that if you load a mech for maximum speed and slap some high end gun there's nothing that could really touch them.
>>3474857
>except for status effects
There's equipment for that, characters like Red can gain natural immunity to almost anything, there's evasion waza for things like Eye attacks and by the time you reach around 50 stats it's really hard for most enemies to even get a hit in, unless it's something like a Black Dragon and in that case you'll have other worries than status effects.
What makes mechs much more superior than humans besides their general status immunity is piling up three pieces of body armor, there's literally nothing but Magnetic Storm that can hope to even scratch you if you put on three wargod armors with a self repair program, bonus points if you can boost VIT further with something else so Self Repair is even more effective, only attacks tailored against mechs work, and even then, Gremlin Touch will do at best 300 damage, you really only need to worry about Magnetic Storm and there's ways to get around that too, even if you solo as T260G, unless for some unknown reason you decide to fight the Abyss Bat, that's the only boss that Mechs should fear, but it's optional so whatever.

Onto more important news in case someone didn't know:

On Sunday 18 there will be the TGS Scarlet Grace stream on Youtube/NicoNico, Yuichi Nakamura, Kawazu, Itoken and Ichikawa will be on stage to talk about the game on JP time 15:30 to 16:30. We'll get an actual PV with gameplay this time and hopefully a release date, needless to say that we don't know whether it will come out in the west, but judging by the recent developments, I'd say there's a good chance.

[Anonymous No.3476834]

Does anyone have a download link for Romancing SaGa 2 on android? I don't like phones but since it's finally in English I need to play this.

[Anonymous No.3476883]

>>3476080
do you think it will be turn based or do you think they'll implement the idea I came up with like 4 years ago about making it real time commander mode with formations and combo sequences loaded into slots before battle

[Anonymous No.3477012]

>>3476834
I believe some anon posted a legit link in one of the previous threads, you might want to check the archives.
>>3476883
I don't honestly know, the only thing we know is that the battles have five characters and Kawazu said sparking will somehow play a lesser role, but this was something he said more than a year ago, who knows whether he changed his mind or not, we'll just have to wait and see.
Also, the one who's really into commander mode as a concept was Hiroshi Takai, he was the one who came up with the idea for RomaSaGa 3 and later on designed the whole game system for The Last Remnant, I don't know how much Kawazu likes the idea or wants to mess with it, he did mention it while talking about an eventual RomaSaGa 3 remaster/remake as one of the things he'd like to work on, so maybe there's a possibility he has implemented it in Scarlet Grace in some form, I wouldn't mind at all.
Though considering Kawazu is listed as scenario writer and designer this time and they got Ichikawa as producer I don't think anyone can make clear predictions, you know something's up when Kawazu himself leaves his producer seat to personally design the game, the last surprise was Unlimited, I don't know if he'll pull out something as strange, but considering the team is made up by key people of the series I'd say this one's gonna probably stay a bit more "traditional".

[Anonymous No.3478275]

[Second Wind]

[Anonymous No.3478645]

>>3477012
>I believe some anon posted a legit link in one of the previous threads, you might want to check the archives.
It was a link to a Kat.ph torrent which kinda died in between then and now.

[Anonymous No.3479296]

>>3478645
>It was a link to a Kat.ph torrent which kinda died in between then and now.
That's unfortunate.

[Anonymous No.3479395]

>>3478645
>>3479296

Ok so, if any cool anons who downloaded it see this, please upload it to mega or something like that.

[Anonymous No.3480153]

>tfw I'm somehow in the middle of a playthrough of Emilia, Laura, Jamil, and TLR hard mode all at the same time
the point being that it's comfy af

[Anonymous No.3480743]

>>3480153
How can you have so much stuff hanging around? It would drive me crazy.

Let's hope Scarlet has a cool pirate character, Laura was great, can't wait for her to join Silver, Hawke, Butcher, Enrique and Black in Imperial once Unlimited gets in.

[Anonymous No.3481848]

So, what happened to the anon who was playing through Frontier 2?
Are you still here man?

[Anonymous No.3482289]

>>3478645
>>3478645
>>3479395
Digging through the archive led me to this:
http://android-zone
.ws/topic/85037-romancing-saga-2-v101-mod-money/
It also has a download link to a version without cheats.

However, I'm new to android piracy and I don't know if it has some sort of virus; for some reason this pirated version needs full internet access from my phone while the official version does not make any such demands. Should I be concerned?

[Anonymous No.3482293]

>>3482289

I don't know shit from fuck about android piracy, but the official version actually does require internet access. If it can't connect, it won't let you play.

[Anonymous No.3482314]

>>3482293
Well that's dumb. Just another reason to hate mobile gaming I guess.

[Anonymous No.3483543]

>>3482314
Iirc some people in the old threads managed to get around the internet connection thingy, I don't remember whether they were using Bluestacks or their phones though.

You might want to search further in the archives.

[Anonymous No.3483692]

>start Barbera playthrough and do the early Yassi Caverns quest
>at the end of the cave, the kid you need to rescue is running a circle around the monster, laughing playfully as the monster spins in place to follow him
>O-Oh no, is Romancing SaGa about to pull a Nier on me? I dont want to feel bad right now
>"Go away human, this child is for the Minions!"
Whew! Thank goodness for the simplicity of this game. Modern rpgs insistence on making black and white scenarios morally grey gets really draining after awhile

If this was Nier, the monster would have been a former parent who lost its own child at some point and it kidnapped the boy because he reminded it of being a parent. Then the player would come and, due to an inability to communicate, they'll fight the monster to rescue the boy and the monster would die alone, watching the last thing to give it happiness be taken away.

[Anonymous No.3484851]

>>3483692
>Whew! Thank goodness for the simplicity of this game.

Don't ever play Frontier 2 then.
It will probably make you feel doubly bad since there's quite a few important characters who turn into monster that you'll have to put down, some of which are also former playable characters from your old parties, family members etc.

SaGa in general has a different concept of monsters compared to most RPGs though, starting from SaGa all the way to Unlimited, monsters are another part of the living beings of the SaGa worlds, some are friendly and are integral parts of societies, like in the SaGa trilogy or Frontier, some are just aggressive "beasts", same thing with humans.
After all, Guella counts as a monster too, doubly so since Gekkos/Gecklings were creatures of Saruin created to ravage the world, same with the Elemental Lords.
The Romancing trilogy has friendly monsters, see Guella, the four monster tribes in 2 or Boston, Yousei and Yukidaruma from 3, but unlike the GB SaGa, Frontier or Unlimited they live in separate societies, actually, Unlimited is a mix of the two cases, monsters usually live separately from humans in their own villages and tribes like the Anubito but they generally integrate well with humans and most races are on friendly terms with each other, though of course there are some bad guys on both sides, like Dagul Bos or Basil Galeos.

[Anonymous No.3485356]

>>3483692

I'd love a SaGa game as depressing as Nier.

[Anonymous No.3485793]

>>3485356
Romancing SaGa 2 has a pretty Nier kind of twist near the end.
The first SaGa is also pretty depressing, it's just masked really well by the wacky design.

[Anonymous No.3487354]

>>3485793
and then you chainsaw for revenge

[Anonymous No.3487613]

>>3487354

[Anonymous No.3487826]

>>3487613
Please post the whole comic.

[Anonymous No.3487978]

>>3487826

Here you go.

[Anonymous No.3488237]

I'm going to play my first SaGa game, romasaga2. Do you recommend going in completely blind and figuring stuff out as I go along, or would you recommend that I study game mechanics guides and stuff so I know what to do?

[Anonymous No.3488246]

>>3487978
That's part of it, I recall it being several more pages long, specifically the party walking into the garden and then the creator giving them his spiel before that page comes up.

[Anonymous No.3488249]

>>3488237

>RS2
>as your first SaGa title

Hoo boy. Get ready for pain. I'm sure one of our local experts can give you advice, but one of the most pivotal things I can say is that you absolutely must not neglect leveling magic, because the game is more or less unbeatable without it.

[Anonymous No.3488261]

>>3487354
>TFW if you grind too much you can't chainsaw
Truly, the original SaGa game.

[Anonymous No.3488310]

>>3488261
If you grind enough you can get your Str above 255 and it warps back to 0

[Anonymous No.3488342]

>>3488310
>Str above 255 and it warps back to 0

[Anonymous No.3488380]

>>3488246

Don't think I've ever seen the other pages, that's the only one I have at least.

[Anonymous No.3488446]

>>3487978
is that a JoJo reference there

[Anonymous No.3488447]

>>3488237
Honestly as long as you're okay with restarting several times, perhaps even literally from the final boss itself, going in blind is totally okay.

[Anonymous No.3488984]

>>3488237

RS2 is the only video game I have ever dropped as a result of feeling like it wasn't possible for me to beat it. I probably put a good 25 or so hours into it before I decided that it just wasn't gonna happen. If you go in blind, be prepared to completely restart the game again and again. I never thought a JRPG could fuck me this hard. Every time I open my phone, its icon is there, taunting me, and sometimes I'll open it up, play for a bit, shake my head, and go back to something more casual. You might think I'm being dramatic, but this game WILL fuck your face, and it won't apologize for it.

[Anonymous No.3489085]

>>3483543
>I don't remember whether they were using Bluestacks or their phones though.
The latest version that the torrent linked to was cracked so you can use it on your phone without Internet verification

[Anonymous No.3489271]

>>3488984
man, they really dont make jrpgs like these anymore
makes a man want to cry
At least the games we do have last a long fucking time.

[Anonymous No.3489292]

>>3489271
>At least the games we do have last a long fucking time.

Well, nowdays a lot of 'sandbox' rpg are released.

[Anonymous No.3489308]

>>3487354
Do you think Papa Nier would have appreciated a good chainsaw?
>>3488237
You've picked the second worst game in the series for newcomers.
I went in blind after playing every other title in the series and I stil had to restart it four or five times to even get to the last boss because I kept messing up quests, missing quests, I didn't know where to look for items, didn't get magic and so on, and when I got to the last boss I had to restart it again because I couldn't even get to the second phase before getting BTFO(and when I got to the second phase later I had to restart it again because it was even more brutal)

It's my favorite game in the series and all, but it's brutal even if you're accustomed to the franchise.
So unless you're one of those guys who revel in punishing games I don't know whether you like it, it's pretty brutal and requires you to know what you're doing since the moment you start the game.
I wouldn't tell you to use a guide, at least not on your first playthrough, because the game is basically a sim-rpg, most of the fun comes from sequence breaking, experimenting with classes, finding quest triggers and dungeons, seeing different questlines and long and short term planning.
90% of the bosses will rape you, story bosses also get stronger, as in get different, vastly more powerful forms depending on how you proceed in the game, if you grind some of them will get more powerful, if you make certain choices during quests you'll have to fight them in very different conditions, as in almost no equipment at all and/or in more powerful forms and so on.
Then you'll have to deal with character permadeath, getting magic, getting waza, getting items, avoid enemies since every battle raises the BR which in turn makes all enemies stronger faster than you and so on, it's a great game if you like deep, non linear RPGs, but you need to know how it works, discovering it by yourself is a great experience, but it can be tremendously frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3489315]

>>3489308
>You've picked the second worst game in the series for newcomers.
DESU I'm not sure if having played any of the other games makes playing Unlimited any easier.

Maybe Unlimited is misleading towards the rest of the series. I could see that.

[Anonymous No.3489358]

>>3489315
>I'm not sure if having played any of the other games makes playing Unlimited any easier.
I totally agree, Unlimited is on the same level, nothing prepares you for Unlimited because it's a departure from normal videogame RPGs mechanic.
Even so, I did play Unlimited before RomaSaGa 2 and I still got my ass handed to me even though it's not nearly as exotic as Unlimited.
And while Unlimited has a few safe spots for "grinding" during the game when you enter one of the Seven Wonders, RomaSaGa 2 doesn't even have that, the only part of the game that you can abuse is the Sentinel in Eilunep, and even then it only lets you spark waza and still raises your BR, Unlimited fucks you over because of its complexity and weird mechanics, as one anon here put it, it's like a mysterious dungeon mistress that will whip you and kick you in the balls if you can't understand what she's asking of you, but RomaSaGa 2 is just the equivalent of hardcore masochism as in having your dungeon mistress repeatedly crushing your balls with a stiletto heel without notice, its ruthlessness was legendary.

And most people get misleaded because they look at videos on youtube and see people with maxed stats( though you can't see the hours they put on grinding all of those) casting spells that have no visible explanation of what they do, characters doing pirouettes and fancy attacks that again, don't show all the effects behind them.
Same with Unlimited, even worse since most people can't understand reels and all the work that you have to put in panels, smithing, exploring and so on, they're just games that are by large incompatible with anything else in the genre, same exact thing happened with TLR.

[Anonymous No.3489396]

>>3489308

Only if he could make it even bigger by collecting a bunch of eggs and some buckets.

[Anonymous No.3489576]

>>3489358
Honestly, the one thing that would have made unlimited go from unsufferable to managable for me is if they simply let you either outright discard or have an inventory for the tiles, like if you just had tiles tossed into the inventory after a quest that would have been fantastic, or some sort of pocket inventory for specific character, even if you couldn't pull a tile back out of the level grid and the only way to remove one was still just to replace it and it was gone forever, it would be a hell of a lot better than trying to pray that RNG doesn't fuck you over when you have a full grid and are given a tile for a character that you can't refuse but is also going to break the build you were trying to go for and make the character weaker overall. The idea that you could do everything "Right" and the game can still fuck you in the ass by making several characters in your party useless by end game is a fucking nightmare to me.

[Anonymous No.3490036]

Thinking about giving it another shot. Last tried with the 360 version years ago but I couldn't get into it. PC version worth $10?

[Anonymous No.3490127]

>>3489576
>not planning ahead in order to have a dump panel slot
hue

[Anonymous No.3490820]

I know it's NOT FUCKING RETRO at all, but has anyone ITT played the 3DS title Legend of Legacy? I've heard it's supposed to be a SaGa-esque game, but is it any good?

[Anonymous No.3491034]

Someone here was playing The Last Remnant recently; I've decided to give this game another shot since I didnt get into it when i had it on the xbox. Is the PC version different enough to really matter? As for tips, is it the usual standard SaGa affair (dont grind, scour for sidequests). Does it have a NG+ and how long is the game?

[Anonymous No.3491368]

>>3488380
I remember at least one more as well.

[Anonymous No.3491376]

>>3491034
>Someone here was playing The Last Remnant recently; I've decided to give this game another shot since I didnt get into it when i had it on the xbox. Is the PC version different enough to really matter?

PC version has some tweaks that make it better, and can be modded (there are some utility mods around that make some stuff like equipment management make a bit more sense, but it's up to you if you want the genuine experience or not). Usual standard stuff applies, and good luck with some enemy drops. Not sure about the rest.

[Anonymous No.3491447]

>>3491034
The PC version is good. It can be pretty grindy and frustrating at times, since you basically have to farm enemies with guide in hand in order to upgrade your equipment, which is ultimately one of the major factors in strengthening your characters.

Tips, well lets see;
>Use a guide to find drops and figure out when quests become unavailable
You don't have to do this if you don't care about beating super hard optional bosses and getting all the characters and preparing yourself for hard mode. If you do care about those things though there's a wiki guide somewhere that has a convenient list of the quests and when they close, and what's required to make them appear.
>Figure out what you want you allies to do and make them stick with it.
The guys you have with you will say stuff like "should I focus on wizard shit or fighting shit" and your options will be "A, B, or both"
What both actually means is they'll ask to equip HP and AP accessories, Mystic means Intelligence and Mystic Offense/Defense Accessories, and Combat means Strength and Combat Offense/Defense Acc. If you tell them to do one thing and then change your mind it will basically fuck them up and they won't know what to do anymore. It's pretty easy to figure out what's best by looking at the stats on their weapon and the balance between their strength and intelligence.
>Pick a weapon. That is now your weapon forever.
There is invisible experience for Wield Style, Weapon Type, and each Category of actions that you can perform in battle. (i.e. there are skills for Katanas, axes, Dual Wielding, Herbs, Restorations, Hexes, Power Wield, etc.) If you use katanas for half the game then switch to straight swords, that's gonna be a big handicap to your damage, assuming hitting things was part of your plan. For combat I'd recommend a Large Axe, Dual Mace/Hammer, or Spear. For Mystic, Mace or Dual Mace is pretty much the only good option. For Defense, both Mystic and Combat, literally every other option.

[Anonymous No.3491527]

Not exactly retro, but I've been thinking for a while that Lightning Returns sure takes a lot from SaGa (and a whole lot from NieR, too). You have:
1)No level ups (you get stronger with gear, with a focus on getting materials for it in NG+ or by completing missions), in general limited grinding as it can screw you up.
2)Free roaming, no set order to do main quests, and a focus on exploration
3)World changes around you as time progresses, which causes missable sidequests, and in general quest triggers aren't too clear and you can fail them.
4)Limited monsters in a species: kill too many and they will go extinct after throwing a super-strong one at you, ecosystem adapts encounters based on alive species
5)Battle attacks determined by a grid system where you set skills dropped by enemies, not too far off from Unlimited's grid (but much less frustrating, arguably).
6)Enemies that get stronger as the game progresses. Including bosses.
7)If you mess up too much, you might have to restart (although, to be honest, unless you REALLY suck at time management, this shouldn't happen on normal or easy, although hard mode is less forgiving).
8)NG+ only, but you can upgrade skills/gear with assorted stuff. Hope the monster that drops the item you need isn't extinct! It's actually a nice touch to leave it to NG+, adds depth to the game by giving you something new to do.
9)Kami is a dick and you beat him up for his bullshit at the end.

Regarding NieR, by the way:
1)Solo protagonist on a quest to get back her sister
2)World that is very clearly dying, general mood is the same, ruins abound
3)Monsters popping out of fucking nowhere
4)The sidequests. Lightning and NieR are both very deadpan about most of them, but still do every task from the most mundane to the most difficult ones. They comment on their tasks and banter with their companions about it. Sidequests often turn out to be much darker than initially seem and are appropriate for the dying world setting.

[Anonymous No.3491739]

>>3490820
My personal opinion is that LoL is just a bit too simplistic for my tastes so I'm not a fan.

[Anonymous No.3492148]

>>3489576
>like if you just had tiles tossed into the inventory after a quest that would have been fantastic
Most of the panels are pretty easy to get if you know what to do though, it's not really a problem unless you grow impatient or are playing for the first time.
And that would be a bit difficult to implement into the role playing anyway, how can you explain having a character have an ability sitting there somewhere and have them learn it later? It doesn't make much sense.
I'd say more than making an inventory for panels make panel growth more streamlined, as in once you get a certain panel(s) you have better chances of getting some other panel related to it, for instance, if I have something like lvl 5 Axe/Sword/Spear panels on the same character why not give me a fairly good chance of getting a Weapon Meister panel just by virtue of having them around? Same with other panels like Magic Blender and something, it would make the game shorter and you wouldn't even need to abuse Tetraforce for perfect character building, or just remove Tetraforce altogether so I just have to grit my teeth and deal with it instead of having it around to trigger my autism.

Or better yet, just make the panel choice pool bigger so you just have more choice at the end of a quest, because I'm fairly sure that would solve a lot of problems like yours without needing a radical change.

What I personally found tragic was the maps being reduced to chessboards, I like Unlimited a lot, but having that kind of tabletop exploration really kills a big part of the fun for me, luckily they learned their lesson and implemented the field skills a lot better in Minstrel Song and the SaGa 2/3 remakes while also keeping normal exploration.
>>3491527
Didn't they make Barthandelus vulnerable to instant death as a heads up to Kami from SaGa too? That's a rumour floating on the internet since FFXIII came out, and LR has a discount Saruin ripoff as final boss in terms of visual design.

[Anonymous No.3492286]

>>3492148
Regarding panels: just give us the opportunity to keep our old ones.
Regarding the death weakness, I remember that rumor back then, but with LR things get really obvious, the whole monster extinction and enemies/bosses get stronger as time passes is all SaGa.

[Anonymous No.3492340]

Are you guys telling me FFXIII is actually not shit or just that Lightning Returns is not shit

I remember seeing something like a map of FFXIII that was literally almost just a single line and passing on it

[Anonymous No.3492352]

>>3492340
XIII is garbage, and XIII-2 fixes the EXPLORATION issues, it's "fix" for combat is just adding QTEs to it, so it's some how much more aggressively boring, as XIII's combat was purely adjusted around auto-combat and just role/job juggling, the second one is still that but you have to be totally focused on every fight because of having to catch QTEs, which just makes you so much more aware of how fucking awful it all feels.

I can't speak about Lightning Returns.

[Anonymous No.3492356]

>>3492352
basically this

I kind of want to try light returns after seeing this >>3491527

I've also heard that its combat is actually pretty good.

[Anonymous No.3493413]

>>3492286
>just give us the opportunity to keep our old ones.
I don't know man, doesn't make much sense to me.
>the whole monster extinction and enemies/bosses get stronger as time passes is all SaGa.
Pretty much, at least they're finally integrating cool mechanics in otherwise boring games, even if SaGa did that stuff a decade earlier.
Maybe in 50 years most turn based RPGs will play like Unlimited, who knows.

Anyway

IT'S HERE!

FEAST YOUR EYES AND PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uRGEJsb9Y

[Anonymous No.3493649]

>>3492340
FFXIII is decent if you look for something story focused and with decent gameplay, at least it's got grinding caps and it never gets too easy, and once you're done with it, you unlock some postgame sidequests and then you're done forever.
XIII-2 has ton of optional stuff and it's like Chrono Trigger, or rather that DS rpg about time travel, with tons of paradoxes and shit. Story is so confusing that even main protagonists are confused (then again, it's heavily implied that their own time fuckery is fucking with their memories, so there's that), but is pretty coherent. Most problems in that game come from the fact that the protagonists have plot-induced stupidity, in fact. In a sense it's somewhat similar to SaGa Frontier II, you pop up at certain moments in the time line to do certain things. Except it's because of time traveling. Mostly the same battle system but somehow worse because the third slot is recruitable monsters who only have one role. Which somehow is a pretty SaGaish element. The main saving grace of the game is that the antagonist is the most charismatic guy to ever grace a Final Fantasy game. He's absolutely fantastic, really. Needless to say, he does it for his waifu. And his plan is a complete success, in fact one good thing of the game is that it ends with his total victory and a cliffhanger, because while the protagonists had no idea of what they were doing the whole game, he had a very clear idea of what he was doing. The game also has a lot of non-canon/joke endings, like Chrono Trigger. Superbosses are ALL DLC, so endgame/postgame might feel a bit lacking if you don't buy them. This was tentative and doesn't happen in any other game of the series.

Lightning Returns is basically NieR starring Lightning. Combat is heavily redesigned, and somewhat fun, even challenging. Exploration and time/resources management based. Adds features on NG+, which makes it very replayable. All the stuff >>3491527. [cont.]

[Anonymous No.3493675]

>>3493649
LR is both deep and DEEP, and references a shitton of stuff from previous games, not to mention characters, so one might be a little lost coming into it with no knowledge of previous games. Or just not care. I'm sure one can play it regardless, but eh. Game is full of collectable stuff, missable sidequests, stuff that happens with certain triggers, and such. For sure, it's kind of a departure from the previous ones.

[Anonymous No.3493691]

>>3493413
Damn! If only I had a vita
If only a Vita was worth buying

[Anonymous No.3493693]

>>3493675
Being someone who loathes XIII and the very notion that it's a fucking trilogy, Lightning Returns does sound genuinely interesting now and I might pick it up when it goes on sale

[Anonymous No.3493724]

>>3493413
I now understand why Last Remnant is not a SaGa game.

[Anonymous No.3493736]

>>3493724
Because it doesnt have extinction?

[Anonymous No.3493747]

>>3493691
Honestly if you like JRPGs, particularly dungeon crawlers or Atelier games, there's plenty reasons to get one. Also, Oled screen works well to watch videos, and PSP stuff with dual analog stick is great (in general, dual analog stick is great).
Emulators soon.

[Anonymous No.3493775]

>>3493691
>If only a Vita was worth buying
If you like RPGs it's very worth buying, plus it has access to PSP/PS1/NeoGeo/PCEngine games, Last Blade II runs great on it.
There's also a few gems like Soul Sacrifice Delta and the occasional PS3/PS4 ports which aren't all that bad, Blazblue ChronoPhantasma Extend, Guilty Gear AC+r and other minor games like the Musou/Atelier ports run pretty well too and don't look too shabby either, then there's Shiren games, a few good indies and so on.
And most importantly, it's the SaGa machine of this generation, even more so now that you can put homebrews in it and can emulate GB and SNES, the only games you can't play on it at this point are the DS remakes(for now), Unlimited and Minstrel Song.
>>3493724
Honestly, it looks a lot like Last Remnant and a bit like a modern Atelier game, but man, those models are great, I'm a bit sad they're not the classic chibi ones but they're so close to the concept art I've got nothing to complain about, and there's a world map like the old GB games which looks full of locations.
I just hope they aren't dropping combos for this one and this just showcased a bit of the battle engine and cool waza.

I'm so excited, the four characters also look interesting, Leonard's pompadour is great, he reminds me a bit of Red, and that battle music sounds hype as hell.

[Anonymous No.3493778]

>>3493775
It sort of looks like a middle ground between MS and US with more modern graphics actually.

[Anonymous No.3493938]

>>3493778
It feels more like Last Remnant to me, that Midare Retsugekka is also very reminiscent of the Last Remnant version of it, but I guess the biggest reason might be the motion capture animation.
Also, there's those characters in Urpina's cut which look a bit like generics, and you don't really see characters wearing helmets in SaGa instead of showing their faces, that too reminds me a bit of Last Remnant since there's quite a few people with helmets there.
The field's graphics and dialogue UI are straight out of Minstrel Song and Unlimited though, the difference being that Unlimited used drawings while Scarlet uses the 3d models.
One little thing I've noticed is that there's probably going to be no difference in Katana/Greatswords as Leonard uses Midare Retsugekka with a greatsword instead of a Katana, so the weapon sets and mechanics might be more reminiscent of the old Romancing Trilogy design instead of the hybrid system from Minstrel Song.
I'm very curious about that new unnamed martial art waza Leonard uses, I hope they go back to the Unlimited system on that, so characters have access to different sets based on their weight.

[Anonymous No.3493954]

>>3493938
>It feels more like Last Remnant to me, that Midare Retsugekka is also very reminiscent of the Last Remnant version of it, but I guess the biggest reason might be the motion capture animation.
>That's not mocap
>that looks nothing like Last Remnant except for particle effects
dude what are you even saying, last remnant never has any of that ninja shit like body double or teleporting, the attack effects are closer to MS brushstroke aesthetic, the scene in your pic related there looks more like unlimited or imperial than anything else

[Anonymous No.3493965]

>>3493954
>last remnant never has any of that ninja shit like body double or teleporting
Who ever talked about stuff like that being in Last Remnant? I said that Midare Retsugekka reminds me of the Last Remnant version of it, I never even mentioned particle effects or anything because they're very clearly not similar to Last Remnant.
>the scene in your pic related there looks more like unlimited or imperial than anything else
And that's exactly what I've written in my post.

[Anonymous No.3494023]

>>3493938
>I hope they go back to the Unlimited system on that, so characters have access to different sets based on their weight.
What? Thats such a cool detail that i wish minstrel song had it. Unless im wrong, weight seems to only affect turn order

[Anonymous No.3494063]

>>3494023
>What? Thats such a cool detail that i wish minstrel song had it

In Unlimited Martial Arts are affected by weight in more than just damage, weight changed the actual Martial Arts you could get, if your character is a lightweight you get access to the Lightweight line if you have MA panels on that character, if your character is a heavyweight you get the Heavyweight line but you must not have MA panels, of course, you can also influence weight by adding or removing equipment, both lines have their pros and cons, lightweight MA are designed for HP damage while heavyweight are for LP damage and are also harder to learn due to the lack of panels, unless your character is a featherweight like Roy you'll probably need to sacrifice your defense since good armor pieces are usually heavy and tend to make many characters fall into the heavyweight line, while in heavyweight you'll sacrifice speed and learning rate. It's been a long time so I'm probably forgetting something as well when it comes to weight and martial arts, but it was a very clever system.
>weight seems to only affect turn order
Not quite, weight affects your Surge rate as well and in some rare cases, also affects your accuracy.
Basically if your character doesn't have four times the STR value of a weapon's weight value your accuracy with that weapon decreases.

Iirc the wrestling waza in RomaSaGa 3 were also influenced by character and monster weight in some way, or maybe it was a cross calculation between a character's SPD and the target's weight, but I'd need to recheck the wikis for that, it's been too long since I raided the wiki for info and you can waste days looking at mechanics.

[Anonymous No.3494195]

>>3494063
I really want try getting into Unlimited SaGa, it seems like really fun and in depth rpg if you can learn it. I gotta keep an eye out for a copy

[Anonymous No.3494384]

>>3494063
>lightweight MA are designed for HP damage while heavyweight are for LP damage
Lightweight do LP damage, Midweight do HP damage, Heavyweight are largely inferior in both respects except for the fact that Raksha can instantly kill things (including some bosses).

[Anonymous No.3495160]

>>3494195
The closest experience I ever had to playing Unlimited SaGa are tabletop Dungeons and Dragons campaigns, I'm not even kidding. Be sure to have people that can pick locks and disarm traps.

[Anonymous No.3496095]

>>3494195
Unlimited is great but it's really different from any other RPG and also pretty different from any other SaGa game.
Anon>>3495160 is right, to add on his suggestion, have somebody who can cross obstacles and repair equipment, it helps a lot early on.
>>3494384
I guess I mixed them up then, my mistake.
I was pretty sure Lightweights were HP focused somehow.

[Anonymous No.3496148]

>>3496095
>I was pretty sure Lightweights were HP focused somehow.
Three Dragons is the strongest overall Martial Arts technique period, and has the highest HP/LP/Growth per Hits, and is a L4 Lightweight Kick technique, but otherwise Lightweights have more hits but less damage grow and less flat damage bonus.

Now that I'm checking actually midweight kicks are apparently the weakest. I wonder if that was intentional.

[Anonymous No.3496604]

>>3496148
>but otherwise Lightweights have more hits but less damage grow and less flat damage bonus.
Wasn't 1000 hands Bodhisattva a lightweight line martial art with really high HP and LP damage?
It's been a while so I'm probably wrong but I remember being surprised by how strong that was compared to Raksha, though Raksha itself was useful for its Blackout property more than sheer damage.
>I wonder if that was intentional.
Unlimited has many curious balance things in waza, iirc Reverse Delta, the strongest Axe waza came from a relatively low damage line, Time Lapse I think, while certain lv3 arts like Night Crossing turned out more powerful than lv4 arts like Splinter Pierce in terms of damage potential, or maybe I'm remembering it all wrong.

Anyway, before I go to bed, more news on Scarlet's system:

http://gematsu.com/2016/09/saga-scarlet-grace-introduces-main-characters-systems

>Game has no dungeons
>Everything happens on the world map instead
Kawazu does it again, wonder how the encounters will be handled.
I'm a bit disappointed by having only four mains, but their stories look typical SaGa crazy stuff, moreover, Kawazu said it's going to be more similar to SaGa Frontier, which sounds great.

[Anonymous No.3496658]

>>3496604
>Balmaint
>A courtroom executioner. He carries out the executions when Sigfrey, the administrator of Cohan Castle, executes many people. When Sigfrey is arrested as a political opponent, it is Balmaint who is responsible for his execution. Sigfrey predicted that, “I will be resurrected seven times and justice will be served,” and was executed. So Balmaint goes on a journey to remove Sigfrey’s head seven times.

Wow. All the characters seem really interesting.
In an interview with the magazine, SaGa series creator Akitoshi Kawazu shared a few additional tidbits:

>The game is about 30 to 60 hours for a single playthrough.
>It’s close to SaGa Frontier since the story changes significantly per character
>You’ll have more than six allies at the start of the game. Everyone you meet in the story can become an ally.
>Even if a character’s LP becomes zero, the character will not disappear.

I hope this makes it to the US because this is probably the first jrpg I've anticipated in years.

[Anonymous No.3496678]

>>3496604
>Wasn't 1000 hands Bodhisattva a lightweight line martial art with really high HP and LP damage?
It has 6 hits but really low damage and unremarkable growth. Multi-hits are great for LP damage because each hit is a separate chance for damaging LP, but damage is just damage and more hits doesn't necessarily out-class harder hits with better growth; though this depends on how much strength and skill your character can get and how much defense your enemy has.

[Anonymous No.3496728]

I'm pretty interested in Scarlet Grace. I'm hoping that, since there are only 4 playable MCs this time, they'll have a bunch of special events for their plots.

[Anonymous No.3498005]

I'm looking forward to playing it in 2024.

[Anonymous No.3498893]

>>3496658
>All the characters seem really interesting.
Can't wait to play as Leonard and tell all those noblemen about dem crops and shit.
He's also the first main character in the series that is simply a peasant, not a tribe or clan member or a thief, a literal who farmer, though maybe there might be more to him as the story develops.
>>3496678
Thanks for refreshing my memory anon.
It's really hard to keep track of all the mechanics in the series.
>>3496728
>I'm hoping that, since there are only 4 playable MCs this time, they'll have a bunch of special events for their plots.
Sounds like they're going all out for this, having no dungeons and only four MCs means they're really concentrating on events and variations, possibly endings as well.
The fact that "everyone" we meet can become a party member also hints at a very large cast this time, this kind of premise really reminds me of Zill O'll and Lunatic Dawn Odyssey, both are focused on events on the map and cities and have either no dungeons or just a few short ones, I guess this time we're in for some serious story roleplaying, the PV also shows that the world map is quite big this time and seems packed with places compared to the usual SaGa standard of having a few cities and dungeons.

I'm a bit worried about two things though.
How are they going to handle encounters? in the PV there weren't any enemy icons on the map so I guess enemy encounters will happen in locations somehow, I hope they won't go back to random encounters, that would be a step back in design for me.
My other problem is travel, I always appreciated SaGa's fast travel, but with this kind of design it seems exploration is going back to the usual move on the world map business, I don't know if I can bear it considering the world seems pretty big, but then again there could be fast travel implemented in a menu or something.

I guess the stream this sunday will clarify both of these points, I hope they also explain what that gauge down there does.

[Anonymous No.3499923]

>>3498893
it'll be based on branching decision trees, like
>Lets fight them all at once
>Duel them one on one
>Run away for now
or
>take the left path
>take the right path
then spawn monster formations, let you determine how to deal with them

You won't be forced to fight all the time, but you'll also be rewarded for taking on big chain battles and huge numbers of foes

imagine it like a DM who says okay WHAT DO YOU DO??? then proceeds to give you a different outcome depending on your answers

I know this because I had a dream about it when I got real high one night

[Anonymous No.3501390]

>>3499923
Well, I like it.
You should get high more often.

[Anonymous No.3501437]

>>3501390
naw I had to quit because I couldn't do math if I was always high

[Anonymous No.3501613]

>>3501437
Thats good, being sober is the better option anyway
.t former weed smoker

[Anonymous No.3502543]

We're right on the cusp of having a bunch of new fans of this series, I can just taste it.

[Anonymous No.3503335]

>>3502543
if Scarlet Grace is good, as i'm sure it will be, then yeah probably. It'll probably never really catch on with most western audiences if the series hasn't already. SaGa is too hard and complicated for us simple-minded western folk, they just want a cheesy anime shonen story that like ff7 or ff10 because :lol gameplay? who rpgs for the gameplay?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.3503949]

>>3502543
Hopefully so, maybe the recent trends in RPGs will make SaGa a bit more palatable for the general taste, though nowadays turn based RPGs aren't really that popular to begin with.
Maybe all those Dark Souls meme gamers will be drawn in by the learning curve of the series, though I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
>>3503335
To this day I can't fathom the RPG western hypocrisy, people bitch and moan about japanese RPGs being too linear, simple and story driven and then when a game like SaGa shows up they bitch and moan that it's unpolished, incomplete, ill designed and lacks a strong story and go back sucking FF's cock, and it's a vicious circle that goes on and on since years.
No wonder games like Metal Saga bombed and they don't even bother localizing the other MM games.

Anyway, it's about 5:20 AM in Tokyo, the SaGa stream begins at 15:30 in JP time. those who have a NicoNico account better get into the stream earlier, otherwise check Square's Youtube stream channel.

I still can't believe we're getting a new mainline title and not a remake, it's been so long, too long.

[Anonymous No.3504023]

>>3503949
The western reception to unlimited SaGa was such a travesty. To be honest, I'm somewhat glad that SaGa isnt mainstream. Anything that gets mainstream success in the west always gets subverted and turned into a frankenstein's money making monster

[Anonymous No.3504054]

>>3504023
>To be honest, I'm somewhat glad that SaGa isnt mainstream.
Same here, I'm sad about the reception, but at the same time I'm glad it has a small fanbase, Kawazu isn't the guy who'd lower the bar to pander to people in order to make money, especially for his own brainchild, but it's better to have a small fanbase that is genuinely attracted to the series' charm instead of street cred and trends.

I also forgot to link the third PV, I've been working a lot these days and completely forgot to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCrH1_x1bLk

[Anonymous No.3504070]

>>3503949
now I have this stuck in my head again asshole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQDYQezo2hQ

[Anonymous No.3504121]

>>3504070
Damn, Rodriguez, it took me a while to figure him out.

Isn't it cool how they kept it for all games when it comes to bounties?
Satoshi Kadokura is pretty good at making short earworms, Metal Max wouldn't be the same without him.
I personally love MM2 battle theme and Bias Brad's theme, you should check out the arrange album if you haven't already, it's solid gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE8Si3I4Zl4

If there's a thing MM does better than SaGa is exploration, SaGa is pretty good, but MM always did that better, though Scarlet seems very good on that too now that we're back on the overworld map.
I still fondly remember exploring the subway on MM and ending up in the Devil's Towers only to end up exploring more and more, such a good game.

[Anonymous No.3504125]

>>3504121
>you should check out the arrange album
*the other arrange albums
My bad, time to get some sleep.

[Anonymous No.3504626]

>>3504121

>Metal Max

Fuck, man. I just played thru Returns earlier this year and it's BY FAR some of the most fun I've ever had with a jrpg. I wish the other titles would get translated, how do they stack up to that one? Maybe I should pick back up on trying to learn runes.

[Anonymous No.3505102]

In SaGa Frontier, how important is it to level your second team? I'm near the end of my playthrough i think but I've neglected doing so

Also, can you flee from battles?

[Anonymous No.3505115]

>>3504626
unfortunately all the metal max games are really similar

which is good or bad, good if you want to play a different one after being away from the others for a while, bad if you want to marathon them or play a different one after finishing one

[Anonymous No.3505158]

Stream started
Get in here
Itoken and Nakamura are on stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpY4tPUCvYk&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.3505237]

>>3505158
I missed it
How was it?

[Anonymous No.3505252]

Itoken says that due to not having to work on dungeon music he especially concentrated on the character's themes
Kawazu says that Leonard 's design is inspired by Yankii
Kawazu confirms that there's different last bosses like Frontier
Battles take place on the map with pop up cardboard icons as well as being selectable through locations
Battle system works on a new AP system, so commands consume AP now, the turn count is really reminiscent of Last Remnant too
Block was on the waza list so it's proof that the waza design is probably going back to Romancing standards instead of having built in defensive waza like Unlimited/Minstrel Song
Combos have been changed into All Out Attacks, kinda lame, but maybe there's more to it
Kinda missed this one due to crappy connection, but the growth system seemed variable stat based like Frontier
Seems you can fast travel through the menu too, which is good
At one point Nakamura talked about the sheep flock near the village of Uromir, Kawazu said that those are tied to an event and the flock can get bigger
The cast seems absurdly huge

The cardboard aesthetic is really nice too, though it's pretty evidently a heads up to Legend of Legacy.

I'm pretty much sold, this is a RPG for the decades.

[Anonymous No.3505265]

>>3504626
>how do they stack up to that one?
As>>3505115, MM games are really similar in structure but they expand on content and the basic gameplay a lot, giving you many more options, many more tanks and also a kind of neat class system for MM3 and the MM2 remake.
Personally, I really like MM3, more than 2, though the first MM/Returns will always be my favorite in terms of scenario and world.
The game also share a continuity, MM2 expands on MM's plot, MM3 is kind of self contained and I don't know much about MM4, Metal Saga is also implied to take place after the first MM but due to copyright issues you should consider it a gaiden of some sort.
>>3505102
>how important is it to level your second team
Depends on how you play, using your other teams mean that the others rest and regen WP, JP and LP, it's good if you're playing the game for the first time because if you don't know where to go you can let other people rest and keep on exploring without going back to inns.
>>3505237
I haven't noticed your post Anon, refer to>>3505252
I think I got all the notable info from the stream down, most of it was chitchat between Nakamura and Kawazu on how Scarlet compares to previous games, Kawazu himself was pretty tired and raucous.
The battle animations look much better than the ones shown in the PV, if there's one thing I'm a bit wary of is loading times, they're not long but seems pretty frequent if you fight a lot.

[Anonymous No.3505678]

So,

I want to start the Romancing series, and I'm two hours in Romancing Saga 1, so far I really like it. But wtf is going on.
I started with Claudia, did the sewer Quest, rescued the guy from the Castle with the water cavern und recruited some characters in Crystal City if I remember right. I'm lost now.
Wat do? And please give some tips to make this playthrough nice and smooth. I already read the FAQs..

Already got Bluestack and 2 waiting for me 8-).

[Anonymous No.3505918]

>>3505252
>heads up to legend of legacy

And there's something I didn't think would happen, a game claiming to be similar to SaGa but missing all the major points of what SaGa is, somehow influencing actual mainline SaGa?

[Anonymous No.3505919]

>>3505678
>I already read the FAQs..
you blew it, son

[Anonymous No.3505924]

>>3505918
you must be new to the modern games scene

[Anonymous No.3506041]

>>3505678

Are you playing the SNES original or the PS2 remake?

[Anonymous No.3506045]

>>3506041

SNES

[Anonymous No.3506161]

>>3505678
>Wat do?
Whatever you want to do, the world is free for you to explore, you can go meet the elemental lords, go start the quest chains in Estamir, go to the frontier, hunt for Silver's loot in Oapu, go to Valhalland and so on, sink your teeth on whatever you want and see if you can chew it, if not go do something else, wander around, explore. The SNES version is a bit clunky though and the gameplay is pretty slow and archaic, so don't be surprised if you level up your skills and weapons slowly, it's pretty normal. If you can't deal with it, go play the PS2 remake.
What I suggest you to do is, make money, sell jewels and buy yourself some good equipment ASAP, especially weapons, since you've already read FAQs you should know how the weapon system works, so it's vital to get good stuff early as to avoid grinding for waza.
>Already got Bluestack and 2 waiting for me
I wouldn't suggest you to go straight to 2, it raises the bar quite a lot compared to most games in the series, unless you're the kind of guy who likes very strict gameplay and lots of punishment, you'd better go play 3 after 1, it's much more forgiving and streamlined than 2.
>>3505918
I guess it's kinda like the whole Dan affaire in Street Fighter.

[Anonymous No.3507536]

>Defeat Dr. Klein's monster trio after a long and grueling fight
>I finally get a chance to use my only sanctuary stone and save
>MBlackIII comes along for one last fight
>he has Dr. Klien fully heal my party, making my Sanctuary stone used for nothing and its too late to ge back
Are you FUCKING kidding me???
God damn it.
Now I don't know if i'm going to be able to beat the final boss after MBlackIII and if I cant beat two major fights in a row without healing, then thats it! This playthrough is over, bad guys win.

[Anonymous No.3507542]

>>3507536
>no backup saves
haha I remember when I was 13

[Anonymous No.3507548]

>>3507542
That's so fucking unfair! How was I supposed to know since I haven't been using a guide at all? Regardless of the outcome of whenever I stop being mad enough to play again and try to beat them, I don't think I'm ever touching SaGa Frontier again. I've mostly had to force myself to finish this game anyway.
It;s alright but I don't like it as much as minstrel song.

[Anonymous No.3507554]

Christ, I've never ever been so mad to hear the healing chime in a rpg. Not once, ever! What a fucking insult!

[Anonymous No.3507581]

>>3507548
You should play Final Fantasy Tactics next.

[Anonymous No.3507585]

>>3507548
Well, look at this that way: if he didn't fully heal your party, you'd be in the exact same situation.

[Anonymous No.3507595]

>>3507581
I can't tell if you're suggesting that because it might have something similar but I actually probably play that in the near future because I have played Tactics Advance and I really enjoyed that game a lot.

>>3507585
I guess. Maybe he wont be that hard, he doesnt have the three other Emperors to switch out with and be annoying with after all. I just gotta be conservative with my best skills

[Anonymous No.3507613]

>>3507536
>>3507548
Keep playing bro, Metal Black is a cool guy and gives you something once you beat him.
Also, do you have Al Phoenix on Red? Use it after Metal Black uses Dark Phoenix.
>That's so fucking unfair!
Man, don't you ever play Frontier 2 or Romancing SaGa 2 if you think that's unfair.

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>>3507610
>>3507610
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[Anonymous No.3507625]

>>3507595
It's because the game has chain battles giving you a chance to save between them, and if you save, have no backup save, and the next battle is unwinnable for you, well, forced restart.
And there's the infamous Riovanes roof battle which is after a very tough boss (compared to the previous bosses, at least, it's still cheeseable like the rest of the game with a billion different setups, but will mop the floor with you if you're playing typically or if you've been neglecting your MC), which you REALLY want to save after, and is a rescue mission where you have to defend one character. Enemies are fast and can use a 100% efficient, death status attack. There's a million ways to cheese that fight, but if everyone in your party is slow? They kill the unit you have to protect before you can even act.

[Anonymous No.3507634]

>>3507625
I actually do have one backup save but it's all the way back before Red boards the Black Ray, so it's a very long way back