How many retro games run at 60 FPS on consoles? This is one I can find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5KCSr6AzA

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Anonymous Fri Jul 29 08:46:36 2016 No.3392354 [Reply] [Original]

How many retro games run at 60 FPS on consoles?
This is one I can find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5KCSr6AzA

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 08:49:55 2016 No.3392357 >>3392354 Almost all of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 08:53:37 2016 No.3392362 Hard Drivin'

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 08:53:46 2016 No.3392363 NES games often run at slower framerates to minimize dot crawl. SMB, Dragon Quest I, and Castlevania are three I can name off the top of my head that do run at 60 fps and you can see they have horrible dot crawl.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 08:59:20 2016 No.3392370 >>3392363 >>3392357 >2D game >FPS I don't think fps applies to 2D.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 09:23:31 2016 No.3392385 A few racing games like F-Zero X and Ridge Racer Turbo and fighting games like Tekken and Virtua Fighter 2.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 09:25:20 2016 No.3392389 >>3392370 Don't do this. Weak bait and we've all seen the image of reactions.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 09:43:44 2016 No.3392402

>>3392363
>NES games often run at slower framerates to minimize dot crawl

This is nonsense. You might be referring to the NES' internal dotcrawl interpolation but that's done on a refresh basis and has absolutely nothing to do with the game's framerate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 11:00:33 2016 No.3392459 >>3392357 When they don't it usually looks like shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 11:13:45 2016 No.3392474 >>3392459 60 FPS is sweet for a CRT. Due to low persistence, it looks like a 120Hz LCD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 12:23:46 2016 No.3392563 >>3392354 Everything 2d. 3D not so much unless it's a fighting game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 12:27:44 2016 No.3392569 >>3392563 >Everything 2d. 3D not so much unless it's a fighting game. There were 2d games that ran in less than 60fps - some by design choice, some because they had very bad slowdown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 12:33:43 2016 No.3392573 >>3392474 >it looks like a 120Hz LCD. It looks far smoother than that...only with Lightboost can LCD's compete >tfw laser beam steering tv's with 0 persistence never ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 12:38:32 2016 No.3392582 >>3392474 >>3392573 I don't know why that is exactly but games always look much smoother on a CRT than a LCD screen to me, even if it runs on the same framerate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 13:31:58 2016 No.3392673 >>3392362 kek

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 13:39:53 2016 No.3392689

>>3392573
>tfw laser beam steering tv's with 0 persistence never ever
How would that work? Light particles carry no charge so they can't be bent with a electromagnetic field and building a mechanical solution that would simulate such a behavior while it may be possible it would be too prone to malfunction and wear.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 13:46:11 2016 No.3392713
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>>3392689
Laser scanning projection systems already exist. One rotating mirror deflects the beam for horizontal movement, a second mirror tilts a little bit with each scanline to make the beam move vertically. This one's homebrewed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 13:50:28 2016 No.3392728 File: 705 KB, 762x700, LCD refresh not response time.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3392474

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 13:56:30 2016 No.3392747

>>3392728
the spacing between the individual frames in the image is constant, despite there being a factor of more than 2 between the lowest and highest frame rate. In other words, that object is moving twice as fast on the highest frame rate. The use case of high fps is to smooth out the motion. In other words, with higher frame rates the change per frame should be smaller. In such cases, the blurring becomes less of an issue. The demo case is designed to be misleading

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 16:52:32 2016 No.3393026 >>3392582 It's called low persistence. Showing a frame for an instant blanking it again gives the illusion of smoothness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:17:00 2016 No.3393059 >>3392354 Well not N64 games. They were usually sub 20.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:20:38 2016 No.3393065 >>3393059 >What is F-Zero

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:32:18 2016 No.3393083 >>3393065 >What are detailed grahpics

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:33:27 2016 No.3393086 >>3393083 >Retro >Detailed Graphics It wasn't the subject anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:41:53 2016 No.3393102 >>3393086 >Detailed means realistic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 17:49:03 2016 No.3393114 >>3393083 ironically enough, having "undetailed graphics" along with 60FPS, has made F-Zero X one of the best-aged retro 3D games

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 18:14:33 2016 No.3393164

>>3393114
This. As a young lad caught up in the quest for a good 3D experience in 1994 games would often sacrifice performance for detail on systems that just flat out couldn't handle them. I t seemed like no one would admit it either retailers OR consumers because they didnt want to feel like they got ripped off.

>16 bit games with slowdown
>"what are you talking about anon its how the game is supposed to run, look at those GRAYFIKS what more do you want?"

>32bit era
>"load times?? you should be happy its on the CD FORMAT"
>"its choppy and has low resolution when compared to the PC?? the PC has NO GAYUMS!! LOL"

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 18:27:43 2016 No.3393187

>>3393164
It's not just 3d games in 1994. Any game from the beginning of computing has had to make trade offs between visual detail and performance, and they all continue to do so even today. It's not just 3d games either: Sega CD FMV games were in a small screen and/or bad frame rate because it was either one or the other due to the system not being fast enough.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 19:42:43 2016 No.3393305

>>3393083
>>3393065
Who cares about graphics. The real problem is that the game is restricted with its 3D. You don't really have free movement in a way that lets you explore and see things from unique angles, which is a requirement for other genres like first person shooters. If a game can nail this while running at 60 FPS, it's a proof of concept that the only excuse for making a game run at 30 or below is for the graphical fidelity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 22:21:06 2016 No.3393549 >>3392357 And almost all of them are limited to displaying at 30fps because of 240p so it doesn't matter even if that were true.

Anonymous Fri Jul 29 22:24:08 2016 No.3393557
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I'm pretty sure all Naomi->DC conversions run at 60 fps because of the similar hardware.

The DC port of Virtua Fighter 3tb, despite being a Model 3 game, also runs at 60 fps I believe. Probably has to do with the fact that the game pushed less effects and reduced poly count than the arcade version, but not bad for a rushed port job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 22:27:43 2016 No.3393561 >>3392354 A good chunk of Dreamcast games run in 60fps. Shame that current gen can barely push 30.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 22:29:04 2016 No.3393565 >>3393561 Why doesn't current gen starting pushing 120 FPS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 29 23:06:39 2016 No.3393615 >>3393549 You don't know what you are talking about? Do you, kid?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 00:42:54 2016 No.3393809 >>3393164 >"its choppy and has low resolution when compared to the PC??" nobody ever said this until at least 1997

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 00:46:51 2016 No.3393818 >>3393565 no benefit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 01:55:11 2016 No.3393892 >>3393809 incidentally that is the first year i heard that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:40:54 2016 No.3394318 >>3393565 Maybe when 4K becomes the norm, one can push for 120Hz.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:42:58 2016 No.3394324 >>3394318 any reason (You) prefer resolution over refresh rate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:46:12 2016 No.3394331 >>3394324 I don't, it's just where the market is moving. 120Hz hasn't been a standard in HDMI until recently. There is no point in aiming for that when barely anyone can use it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:48:40 2016 No.3394336

>>3394331
>120Hz hasn't been a standard in HDMI until recently
4K is still at the early stage of adoption as well.

>There is no point in aiming for that when barely anyone can use it
that applies to both. It's also a catch-22. People won't get the hardware when there's no advantage to using it. So games providing applications for 120Hz can drive sales

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 10:56:27 2016 No.3394350

>>3394336
Even if they activated 120Hz in the new upcoming consoles, only a handful of indie games would use it at best. You can already see the hype 4K is getting, but you can bet that AAA games won't target that resolution, for there is just not power enough to do it with the graphics we expect today. Plus when we do get native 4K consoles, they would benefit everyone by downscaling to 1080p. Essentially SSAA.

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:01:51 2016 No.3394352

>>3394350
>only a handful of indie games would use it at best. You can already see the hype 4K is getting
That's the actual problem, took a while to dig there.

>for there is just not power enough to do it with the graphics we expect today
It's a self-made problem. Three generations ago we valued visual complexity over framerate. Once that 30fps genie was out of the bottle, it was impossible to put it back, without sacrificing visuals again. I'd love for some devs, any devs, to take a bold stance and move the focus back where it belongs.

>SSAA
never got the appeal of AA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:33:05 2016 No.3394392 >>3394324 any reasonable person favours a balance between the two. that and also, detal/effects levels; a compomise between scene compostion, refresh rate and resolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:34:20 2016 No.3394396 >>3394318 8K is already being pushed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:35:22 2016 No.3394401 >>3393565 only VR pushes 120fps. If VR succeeds, VR willl push 120fps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 11:36:25 2016 No.3394405 >>3394392 >balance what's lagging most behind at the moment? Visual complexity, resolution or framerate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 13:30:39 2016 No.3394561 >>3393615 Actually I do actual kid

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:32:36 2016 No.3394639

>>3394561
No, 240p is what allows artefact free (no combing) 60 fps by using each field as it's own independent frame (Normally NTSC has 2 fields per frame with 60 fields per second). This is why most 2d retro games are 60 fps, with exceptions of course. Notably the original arcade release of Outrun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 14:53:24 2016 No.3394682 >>3394639 >Notably the original arcade release of Outrun parts of OutRun are 60fps

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 15:25:27 2016 No.3394769

>>3394639
Kid, your dumb and fuck and just parroting shit. I'd like to say educate yourself or STFU but neither is going to happen. I'd like to ask you to explain how you can draw the same picture twice in 1/60 of a second and do 60fps but your just going to bark back with some more ignorant bullshit.

That's OK. Mommy says you're a special little snowflake and you're a wonderful person and all your bullshit ideas are equally valid with or more important than the facts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 16:08:53 2016 No.3394858 >>3392354 Original Gameboy was 60 fps native

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 16:13:27 2016 No.3394864 >>3394858 same with GBC and GBA, though the GBA had a framebuffer mode, mostly used for 3D, and as usual, framerate on those was lower

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 16:49:50 2016 No.3394950 >>3394405 everything. We need 8K 120fps with max details. Then I'm satisfied

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 18:02:43 2016 No.3395082 >>3394950 When can you no longer see improvements in resolutions with a normal DPI?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 18:07:42 2016 No.3395092 >>3394769 >Draw the same picture twice in 1/60 of a second You don't?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 18:10:27 2016 No.3395095 >>3395092 YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!

Anonymous Sat Jul 30 19:26:15 2016 No.3395286

>>3395082
It's not about DPI, it's about preservation of detail. But resolution will come at a rest for a while at about 16K when we have reached IMAX quality, so that analogue film is obsolete. An IMAX FULL FRAME 1.43:1 holds around 16K of resolution and superior than any digital camera. This is the goal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 21:43:52 2016 No.3395517 >>3393565 a lot of current gen can't even hit 60.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 30 22:05:25 2016 No.3395539 >>3392354 99% of 2d games >>3392363 lol >>3393026 >Showing a frame for an instant blanking it again gives the illusion of smoothness. No it doesn't. It removes motion blur.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 00:29:54 2016 No.3395730 >>3395517 >can't does not want to, or is not designed to. There's a bit difference

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 08:21:32 2016 No.3396214 >>3395539 >It removes motion blur Hence the illusion of smoothness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 08:23:43 2016 No.3396215 >>3395286 If that's the case, I don't see the point in 8K, might as well perfect 4K until we are ready to reach the ultimate goal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 09:26:39 2016 No.3396253 >>3394769 Can't tell if trolling or just really, really stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 14:26:50 2016 No.3396627 >>3396253 Of course you cant. Your that ignorant.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 16:42:17 2016 No.3396878 60 FPS retro games are pretty common but what about non-standard framerates above 60 ? anyone know games like that? my CRT can get up to 160 Hz so i would like to try some stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 19:55:41 2016 No.3397242 >>3396878 dumb.as.fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 21:28:28 2016 No.3397398 File: 286 KB, 600x600, premium-bait-dip-9275.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3396627

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 31 22:14:13 2016 No.3397473 >>3392354 Nothing PAL

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