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Hello /vr/, what are your thoughts about the Wario Land series (including the spinoffs Wario: Master of Disguise & Wario World)
Which one was excellent and mediocre for you?
You think Nintendo will revive the franchise?

>> No.3379042

The first is the most memorable for me though I played 1-4 and World (though the 4 and world are not retro).

No, I do not think Nintendo has any future plans for Wario outside of Ware games. The fact that the traditional Wario outfit was an alt in Smash goes along with this.

>> No.3379050
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3379050

If we're talking not-retro, Shake It also deserves to be mentioned.

My favorites are still 1 and Virtual.

Also pic related is great.

>> No.3379061

>>3379026
>including the spinoffs Wario: Master of Disguise & Wario World

NOT RETRO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.3379063

1: Is the best game on the Gameboy
2: Is OK but not as good as some of the others
3: Second best game on the GBC behind Dragon Quest III
4: One of the greatest GBA games, not as close to the top as the others due to there being so many amazing GBA games

Incredible series.

>> No.3379070

>>3379063
also
3 = 4 > 1 > 2

>> No.3379073

>>3379026
>Wario: Master of Disappointment & Wario World
not retro

In all seriousness, Wario Land is a fucking gem collection. This is a matter of opinion, but here's my classic Wario Land power ranking:
VBWL > WL > WL2
Note: I Never played WL3 and WL4 is awesome but not retro

Wario's Woods is super fun as well. Mario & Wario is fun for the first few levels but it gets real infuriating real fast.

>> No.3379074
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>>3379026
Elder God Tier:
VB Wario Land

High Tier:
Wario Land II
Wario Land 4

Mid Tier:
Wario World
Wario Land 3

Low Tier:
GB Wario Land
Wario Land: Shake It!

Shit Tier:
Wario: Master of Disguise

>> No.3379079

>>3379073
>WL4 is awesome but not retro
I thought GBA was considered retro? If not it def should be.

>> No.3379082
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>>3379079

>> No.3379647

>>3379026
My favorite game series.

WL1 has some of the comfiest, most adorable designs in video games I've seen. It's akin to Flintstones, which I love purely for design.

I love everything about it. Mt. Teapot secret world. Pirate moles. Pirate ducks. Throwing coins. Just pure eternal love

WL3 is also simply amazing. WL4 had moments of similarly brilliant design

>> No.3379658

>>3379079
It is, but its not allowed on /vr/ due to an arbitrary cuteoff date.

>> No.3379672

>>3379658
What is the cutoff date?

>> No.3379693

>>3379672
December 31, 1999.
Which is really arbitrary.

Wonderswan Color seems to get a pass, despite releasing nearly a year afterwards. However, the GBA followed 4 months after the WSC and is barely tolerated.

Let's try not to stir up drama though. That just makes things worse for both sides of the argument.

>> No.3379791

>>3379026
Did they ever re-release these? I had WL and the virtual boy one. Those two were some of my favorite games at the time. I'd love to replay them.

>> No.3379796

>>3379791
just play em again on an emu

>> No.3380017

>>3379026
Loved the first game on gameboy OG played through the whole thing when was about 7 or 8. Tried warrior land 2 a few years later but somehow didn't care for it.

>> No.3380048

>>3379026
Wario is my husbando.

>> No.3380053

>>3379026
>master of disguise
never could beat the first ship level so I put it down and never played it again

>> No.3380113

I absolutely love the Wario Land series. Some of the best platformers out there and among the best games on their respective systems.

>> No.3380273

>>3379050
Wario's use before Wario land series was odd, Mario and Wario, Wario's Woods, felt like he was just slapped into games

>> No.3380298

>>3380273
>Mario and Wario, Wario's Woods
Both still good games though

>> No.3380324

>>3379050
>>3379073

>Two posts mentioning VBWL as best Wario game

I'm so fucking proud of you guys. Make that three.

>> No.3380325

>>3380273

not really, he was the main villain in SML2, the most popular handheld game out at that time, and Nintendo was really trying to establish his character. and Wario's Woods came out after Wario Land anyways.

>> No.3380506

>>3379026

SML3: Wario Land > Wario Land 4 > VB Wario Land > Wario World > Wario Land Shake it > Wario Land 2 > Wario Land 3 > Getting kickced in the balls > Master of disguise

>> No.3380678

>>3380506
kek

agreed, that game was so shit

but why is 3 so low?

>> No.3381528

All six Wario Lands are incredible.

MoD and WW are pretty good too. Not anywhere neat the perfection that is Wario Land, but they're good Wario platformers.

>> No.3381614

>>3380324
>>3380273
>>3379050


I grew up in the 90's and early 00's but I used to play this game so much because they put it in Animal Crossing. I have a lot of nostalgia and love for it.

>>3379693
I just wish there was a board to talk about old games and not new games full of /v/shitposters.

>> No.3382752

Masters of Disguise was pretty bad. It was the first game I ever pre-ordered, so i was pretty hyped. Overall the game is just a fucking disgrace

>> No.3382797

>>3382752
When it got announced, I nearly lost myself in a fit of ecstasy. But it turned out to be another Nintendo outsource, like with Yoshi's Island and Artoon…

I couldn't take it. I realize times are different, Wario World wasn't a big hit and all that… But fuck, Nintendo. Why did you need to make a quick cheap cash grab game out of a Wario franchise?

Was it the same as with Super Princess Peach? Why just milk your glorious past with such shitty sequels? Who'd benefit from it? Who the fuck greenlit that project, developed by some no name studio?…

I sometimes think I was wrong not to buy Nintendo 3DS. Then I remember Master of Disguise and that ANOTHER new Yoshi's Island, and I think: no, fuck that. I'm not falling for this meme ever again.

>> No.3383659

>>3379042
the costume thing is all about sakurai's preference. wario was almost in melee but lower priority because sakurai didn't like his character. then warioware happened and sakurai loved it, so to him that's the real wario. it's why his side special is the bike instead of the fucking shoulder bash. instead of greedy adventurer wario we get le quirky fart man

>> No.3383698

>>3383659

Sakurai was a mistake.

>> No.3386758

>>3382752
>>3382797
At least Shake It wasn't so bad, I wish it had sold better to warrant more games though

>> No.3386809

>>3386758
Its premise was kinda lame IMO: 2D Wario platformer… On a home console? With a gimmicky wiimote shaking feature?… With fully hand-drawn animation?…

I don't know why they even went for the latter. You know, I understand why it was a big deal when, say, Blazblue or KoFXIII went with 2D hand-drawn graphics. But Wario?… Yeah it's cool I guess, but who thought that was a great selling point?

On the other hand, the weirdness and some sort of comfiness of the game was gone. I liked finding the vinyls in WL4 and listening to that weird stuff. I liked the bright levels full of imagination, crazy enemies and all that. I saw several Shake It videos, they had none of that.

And of course the whole shaking thing… Who thought it was any good at all? Who came up with that idea? No offense to the creators, but I see it only as a very, very silly gimmick.

In any case, I just don't see why they didn't make a real WL5 for DS or 3DS—not the half-assed Master of Disguise made by some no name studio. The formula proved to be working for 4 titles, why change anything at all?

>> No.3386819

>>3386809
Nintendo's been on a weird-ass ride since the N64, they just keep trying to come up with wackier and wackier things, and being a japanese company of course they're going to be stubborn and not get with the times

Now that they have a new president or whatever that has more business acumen than creative they might start making sense again, or they may just become Sega 2.0

>> No.3386831

I really enjoyed Wario ware on my old Gamecube but it didn't have much replayability so I didn't play it often

>> No.3386895

>>3386819
Well, I wouldn't completely agree with this. To begin with, Wario Land II came out in 1998. 3 of the 4 numerical entries in the Wario Land series emerged in this era.

I'd say things started going wrong when they started outsourcing stuff in around 2002 onward, and with DS/Wii. They lost their focus on long established hardcore game series, and instead focused heavily on casual games. In result, they started making shit like Wii Sports, Wii Music, Nintendogs, Nintendo Land and so on, which I feel were really empty and aimed for very immediate appeal, disregarding any skill; a 1-time gimmick like karaoke.

And at the same time, all the revivals they did felt like sacrilege to me… OK, I went past New Super Mario Bros. They game turned better than it could have been. But then they've turned THAT into a new series, and I lost count of the games they've made. Then 3D Land, yet another series in that vein… And of course Smash, don't even start me on Smash.

Then all those needless revivals. Kid Icarus revival, poor Yoshi's Island revival, and the horrible Wario Land """"""""revival""""""" which felt more like a
funeral than anything. Then, New Super Luigi… Nintendo Direct, which made me question if anyone at Nintendo still had any sanity left…

You know, compared to this—yes, Nintendo was more successful in the Wii era; after all, 64DD flopped, and GC wasn't as big as Wii. But at least in N64 times, they weren't hell bent on producing mass appeal karaoke-style games, or reviving every meme franchise they had. What's next? Hogan's Alley vs Duck Hunt U? Ice Climber NX with glorious epic HD open world plot? Super Toad 4D Galaxy?

>> No.3387129

>>3386895
>Kid Icarus revival
tbf that was p good

>> No.3387148

>>3386819
>Not letting Camelot make a new GS game that isn't tied into your current shitty gimmick
>Literally have an inhouse jrpg franchise with a rabid fanbase and you fucking take it out behind the barn, shoot it, and fucking frankenstein that shit with touch controls and "FANCY NEW GRAFX".
>Do the same thing with pretty much all of your beloved IP's

The fucking state of this company seriously. The only thing they haven't completely ruined in recent memory is Kirby. Going the way of Sega would be a fucking blessing at this point. HOnestly they are risking going Konami and losing all of their talent while getting completely wrapped into portable games for literally no reason but a crippling fear of money and success.

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>>3379074
>GB Wario Land
>Low Tier

>> No.3387253

>>3387148
They just got a new pres so hopefully shit gets better

>> No.3387267

>>3379026
I played through 1 a bunch of times as a kid and am super nostalgic about; but for whatever reason never played anything beyond it.

2-4 and Virtual are high on my list of priorities now though. I built a raspberry pi emulator recently and put an hdmi to composite converter on it so I can play my retro vidya in glorious 240p.

>> No.3388014

>>3387267
2–4 are really different though. A lot more puzzle/adventure, especially 3

Still, despite very different, 3 is one of my favorite games of all time. The kicker is, you don't even have health in this game.

>> No.3388021

Can anyone recommend different games I might like if I love the gameplay in SML3:WL and WL3? Any platform, any genre.

>> No.3388917

>>3387243
It's shit and I can't understand why so many people here suck its dick endlessly. I'm 99 percent sure it's pure contrarianism.

>> No.3388946

>>3388917

It was the first Wario platformer and it's damn fine, how can you think it's shit? You're the contrarian here.

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>>3388917
>shit on a good and popular game
>call people who disagree contrarians

>> No.3388968

Can we just agree that every R&D1 Wario game surpassed the first game, which just felt like a bland Mario clone?

>> No.3389085

>>3388968
You mean the GB or the VB one?

>> No.3389350

>>3388021
bump

>> No.3389352

>>3389085
SML3

>> No.3389371

>>3386809

>I saw several Shake It videos, they had none of that.
>I've never played the game let me tell you why it isn't that good

10/10 /v/ posting it's like I'm really there.

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>>3388968

Nah, shoo hivemind.

The only thing SML3 can be dissed for is being a bit rough. It's otherwise a very comfortable little game and makes a great distinction between Mario and Wario style gameplay. The way Wario uses tosses, smashes and tackles to show off his herculean strength, the good exploration and secrets and the pay off with the high value treasures, the way finding loot meant a lot more than "I guess if I get 100 coins I get a 1-up", the different power ups that felt good to use and unique while still teasing the good feelings we had from playing SML2.

If you didn't like SML3 fair enough but "hurr durr can we all agree" shit is some pleb antics. SML3 is objectively good design and gamin'.

>> No.3389408

>>3389380
>several autoscroller levels
>several swimming levels

Nah it's shit mate.

>> No.3389470

>>3389380
>The only thing SML3 can be dissed for is being a bit rough
I actually love the roughness and slight bugginess.

>> No.3390115

>>3389352
What a shit opinion to have.

Which part of it is a "bland Mario clone"? SML3 uses similar graphical assets/level structures to SML2; otherwise it's a different game.

First of all, there's dashing/tackling. Second, the new mechanic of picking up enemies, a lot like goombas in SMW, but better. Third, completely different power-ups, blocks, and tons of other little things like throwing coins, bonus stages and so on, and overall great level design. Not to mention the graphics are great, especially for GB.

My only gripe with the game is some later stages which feel kinda flat or straight compared to the early ones. But this can be said about half other platformers out there.

Overall, it's very different from WL2-4, but still an amazing game, especially for GB.