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Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:36:56 2016 No.3369870 [Reply] [Original]

It seems like bad emulation Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64 is a meme to raise demand and, therefore, prices.
Prove me wrong - post badly emulatable games.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:45:03 2016 No.3369889
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Evangelion 64.

Actually, N64's emulation is really terrible and the answer is always "oh you just need to tweak this and this plug in that fixes that, but at the same time fucks up this other thing". Only stuff like SM64 and OOT is emulated well because the emulators were build around these games. Most games have a lot of issues.

Not sure about Saturn because I actually own one so I haven't bothered with emulation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:54:12 2016 No.3369907 >>3369889 >Evangelion 64 Letters rendering is not only problem, is it?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 15:19:54 2016 No.3369950

>>3369889
>Not sure about Saturn because I actually own one so I haven't bothered with emulation
Dracula X is a prominent one that has issues with the title screen, everything else is fine though. Honestly most Saturn games I've played have been fine.

Slowly biding my time until I can pick up a real one on the cheap though.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:33:04 2016 No.3370098

>>3369870
I'll just cover Saturn. Using the SSF emulator since it has the highest compatibility of all Saturn emulators. Also, I'm covering US releases only, this doesn't even cover the majority of games that were JP only.

Arcade's Greatest Hits (Midway Presents) has sound issues
Bug! has a flashing background, all you can really do is disable the background altogether.
Clockwork Knight 2 requires you to use an older version of SSF, since it's broken in 0.12 Beta.
Corpse Killer - Graveyard Edition, Croc - Legend of the Gobbos, and MANY other games also are broken in the latest version of SSF and require you to use an older version.
Crusader No Remorse has audio sync problems for movies.
Daytona USA C.C.E. Net Link Edition can't work, since NetLink isn't emulated yet.
Daytona USA Championship Circuit Edition has flashing background issues.
Defcon 5, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Die Hard Trilogy, and Dragonheart Fire and Steel are all non-functional and can't be played.
FIFA Road to the World Cup 98 doesn't work.
Grand Slam will crash if you set the EZ Setting to Low or Highest.
Madden NFL 97 doesn't work.
NBA Jam Extreme doesn't work.
NBA Live 98 has too many graphical errors to be playable.
Saturn Bomberman and Sega Rally Championship Plus Netlink Edition suffer from the lack of NetLink emulation.
Skeleton Warriors has severe graphical issues.
If you don't press start before the opening movie in Tetris Plus ends, SSF will crash.
VR Golf '97 and Virtua On Cyber Troopers NetLink edition don't work.

There's many more that are somewhat broken, having timing issues, or just don't work with the latest version and requires you to go get an older version to play. And that's JUST US releases. Needless to say, there's a ton more problems with JP games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:35:52 2016 No.3370102 >>3369870 Donkey Kong 64

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:57:44 2016 No.3370131
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>>3370098
How can I play panzer dragoon saga without losing all of my lunch money?

I have a saturn, but I also have to pay the bills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:58:06 2016 No.3370132 >>3369950 >Dracula X is a prominent one that has issues with the title screen It has what? All of the game plays fine on SSF, I have beaten it a bunch of times already.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:59:55 2016 No.3370136

>>3369889
What I wonder is how Sony consoles get away with being impossible to emulate, while Nintendo's which are a lot more powerful are viable.

I mean, I know the Wii's code got leaked by someone from Nintendo and that opened the floodgates to Dolphin, and the Wii isn't exactly all that powerful, but the PS2 is practically a slideshow player. How is it not emulatable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:01:43 2016 No.3370139 >>3369870 Saturn emulation's situation isn't nearly as fucked up as N64 the people saying that stuff are absolutely gimped in the head

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:07:42 2016 No.3370148 >>3370132 I played it about a few weeks ago and just remember either the intro screen or the title screen were screwy, but not in a game breaking way. That was with Yabause.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:13:19 2016 No.3370160 >>3370131 Chip it Pseudosaturn it Rhea it Or wait for some another adapter

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:14:12 2016 No.3370162

>>3370098
Half of those are crap games not worth playing, have non-netlink releases that can be played, compilations, or poor ports. Yeah, I'm going to lose a lot of sleep not being to be able to play the Saturn port of Doom or Dragonheart or Madden 97.

JP games actually have less problems because the developer is Japanese and doesn't give any shits about US games breaking.

>>3370148
Yabause has a piece of shit video plugin, so it's normal for it to have graphics problems everywhere. Especially with most people using OpenGL with it - you can't use hardware acceleration for a Saturn emu without it looking like shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:14:14 2016 No.3370163 >>3370131 Modchip or pseudoSaturn. Or you can download a copy and run it through SSF using daemon tools or something to emulate a CD drive to mount the disc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:14:46 2016 No.3370164 >>3370139 Elaborate please

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:17:30 2016 No.3370172 >>3370136 >How is it not emulatable? PS2 architecture is 16 glued PSXes together Imagine a machine what runs 16 PSX emulators at fullspeed ...But seriously, PS2 architecture is known to be very complicated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:21:40 2016 No.3370178 >>3370162 Ok, OP was asking what games have emulation issues, he didn't specify if they were 10/10 games or not. You sound angry about something. Care to share?

jim from that other chan Mon Jul 18 17:49:10 2016 No.3370228
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>>3369870
>>prices
prices of what ? the games or the consoles, or both ?

i have an N64 boxed, and not abused (i'm in my 40's btw) are you saying it's worth something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 17:51:25 2016 No.3370236 >>3370228 Saturn games can be stupidly expensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:05:14 2016 No.3370267 >>3370172 PS2 emulation has got alot better recently I think the PPSSPP devs are working on it now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:07:19 2016 No.3370269 >>3370172 That's just the video architecture though - the actual cpu and the vector units are nightmare fuel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:20:15 2016 No.3370301 >>3369889 Even SM64 and OoT aren't emulated properly. Both miss a huge deal of light and colour effects on the default plugin. OoT always glitches on start menu. The other plugin is better but has glitchy textures and crashes a lot more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:23:23 2016 No.3370307 >>3370301 That's what I mean, you can mess up with plugins but there's always something else that will get fucked. It is just never completely stable, but at least SM64 and OOT are better emulater than a lot of other ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:23:23 2016 No.3370594 >>3370160 >Rhea it Tell me more?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:29:12 2016 No.3370604 >>3370594 replaces disk drive with an SD card that you can boot games from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:07:18 2016 No.3370697 >>3370267 >I think the PPSSPP devs are working on it now I remember PSP emulation being garbage then like 6 months later it was nigh perfect for the games I was interested in

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:12:56 2016 No.3370714

>Sega Saturn will probably get a flashcart in the next year or two
>N64's perfect one is just going to get cheaper with time

My only issue is that N64 controllers are being kinda difficult for me to find in good condition, would rather play it with a Gamecube controller.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:16:09 2016 No.3370720 >>3369870 Blame the SSF author for never releasing the source code.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:23:59 2016 No.3370745 >>3369870 WiIU emualtion is close to get better Also that guy cracked the saturn, will be good for emulation?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:36:16 2016 No.3370769

You all may be ignorant. I played at least a hundred different games, start to finish, over ten years ago in PJ64 1.6. Sure they might have had a couple issues(no sound, text illegible, etc.), but nothing near as bad as people say. Obviously there are the ones that just don't work, like the Factor 5 games, and others with very prominent texture or model corruption issues, but these are so few and far between its kind of baseless and unfair to claim that emulation as a whole is shit. It's actually quite good, and the materials available are very versatile. You just can't expect 100%. And honestly, all the 'best' games are perfectly fine for PC play. So much so, as a matter of fact, that they work even through the Kaillera agent for netplay. All the mario parties, Perfect Dark, mario kart, GE, they all worked great until they desync, which nowadays probably wouldn't be an issue, now that I know about virtual networking clients like Hamachi. Saturn, sure, it probably sucks. But Nintendo 64 emulation on a Windows machine is well WELL above satisfactory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:38:11 2016 No.3370773 >>3370594 DiarRhea. Ha ha. Geddit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:45:27 2016 No.3370779 >>3370720 IF SSF were open source, today would be a better emulator.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:53:13 2016 No.3370793

>>3370779
>IF SSF were open source, today would be a better emulator.

Nah, we'd just get 15 different versions with various filters built into it. It took almost a decade for Gens to get actual real emulation improvements after it was open sourced, and that thing emulated a system that was orders of magnitudes simpler than the Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:40:30 2016 No.3371027 File: 99 KB, 625x550, unsuitable.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm attempting to emulate panzer dragoon saga but I get this error. What I'm doing wrong? I have the usa bios and the usa iso of the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:08:24 2016 No.3371091 >>3371027 Does your .cue match this: http://redump.org/disc/20344/ ? If not, then your copy of PDS is the problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:11:30 2016 No.3371095 >>3371091 It worked with the europe cue. Thanks. Any difference?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:23:18 2016 No.3371114 >>3371095 2 sectors of the main data track. You might have gotten the PAL version as a mislabeled US? I've seen that happen before, got some Genesis roms that were mislabeled.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:29:17 2016 No.3371126
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>>3371114
Nop it says Azel in the title.

I'm playing it in the ntsc-j cause it has some glitches in PAL, it runs fine but I'm not keeping my hopes up, I'm expecting it to crash midgame.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:15:05 2016 No.3371758 >>3369870 Try resident evil 2 on project 64. Have fun m8

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:18:11 2016 No.3371765 >>3370769 I mostly agree with this guy. One of my best friends was crashing at my place for a while and we'd hook up my laptop to the hdtv for some multiplayer Mario kart 64 at 1080p. I preferred that to using an actual n64 it was much better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:19:49 2016 No.3371768 >>3371758 Why would I want play RE2 for N64 in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:29:45 2016 No.3371780 >>3371768 Because you've never had any friends lol

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:07:16 2016 No.3371808

>>3370769

Different standards, I guess.

You may be happy with something being playable, or you may care about games being stretched to HD resolutions, instead of proper layer display or effects shown, but a lot of people want genuine experiences and N64 emulators are far from that.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:11:43 2016 No.3371813
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>>3371768

unique modes, surround sound, among other things.

The best versions are probably on PC/DC/GC, but /vr/-related I think N64 is the one to go, unless you care about FMV quality, but they're not really bad on N64, just more compressed.

Also, no loading times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:24:15 2016 No.3371929 >>3370714 Why not play it in the Wii VC? I remember reading about injecting roms in VC releases.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:26:51 2016 No.3371938 >>3371929 VC injections are just another flawed emulator. Rare games don't work at all.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:49:15 2016 No.3371979

I'm getting the impression that most of the people in the thread haven't heard about this:

http://www.libretro.com/index.php/first-ever-revolutionary-n64-vulkan-emulator-coming-soon-only-for-libretro-parallei/
http://www.libretro.com/index.php/nintendo-64-vulkan-low-level-emulator-parallel-pre-alpha-release/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:50:05 2016 No.3371980 >>3371813 >no loading times Yeah but n64 version has lag every time you enter a new screen (i.e. the 'camera angle' changes). That shit sucks dicks. Most load times are just doors opening anyway which both versions have.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:56:30 2016 No.3371989 >>3370131 >>3370160 >Pseudosaturn Best choice, you can pick up an action replay for nothing these days.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:12:32 2016 No.3373190 >>3370228 An N64 boxed is worth a hell of a lot, man. Haven't you been keeping up with the collecting scene in the last 5 years?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:34:05 2016 No.3373223 >>3371989 More like cheapest choice. It doesn't allow you to save in game, which is a deal breaker. Rhea is the best choice by far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:43:25 2016 No.3373240 Isn't n64 supposed to be getting better with the low level graphics emulation in libretro?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 00:48:28 2016 No.3373541 >>3370793 All of the time sunk into getting yabause 70% as good as SSF would have gone into making SSF better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:36:56 2016 No.3373736 >>3369870 >bad emulation Sega Saturn >i never heard of SSF while everyone else has been emulating saturn for a decade. Catch up slowpoke. >>3370098 Utter garbage games >>3371027 Wrong region

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:14:00 2016 No.3374014 >>3373223 Rhea is the "best", but only if your saturn disc drive is busted. Pseudo is fine if you've got an internal battery, which are like $1.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:19:02 2016 No.3374023

>>3370236
saturn games tend to be expensive because they're legitimately hard to find

the US cases crack when you look at them funny and most games didn't sell particularly well. I promise you Sega Ages or whatever wouldn't cost more than $40 if they were as common as N64 games

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 09:36:58 2016 No.3374037 File: 86 KB, 640x990, 1430779090655.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3374014 >but only if your saturn disc drive is busted.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:54:27 2016 No.3374803

>>3373736
Still don't work. I've been able to play Die Hard Trilogy on PS1 for ages. And I didn't list every US release with emulation issues, just a few. I just focused on games that don't run period or have severe issues.

What's with this recent influx of defensive emufags?

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