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Consoles worth getting a PAL version of Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:06:07 2016 No.3368435 [Reply] [Original]

As we all know, PAL-versions of most games tend to be worse than their NTSC counterparts due to poor porting. However, games made by European developers can actually be better in the PAL-version.

I've been thinking myself about getting a PAL N64 just for the great Rareware games, but is there any other console where getting a PAL model is worth the cost and effort?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:13:57 2016 No.3368462 File: 13 KB, 196x212, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3368435 >PAL >not vastly superior to Never Twice the Same Colour

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:18:29 2016 No.3368479 >>3368462 It's superior, but most games were made for NTSC, and very poorly ported, if they actually changed them at all.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:24:35 2016 No.3368494

>>3368462
What's so good about having huge black borders at top and bottom of the screen and having games run 5/6 of the speed they were intended to?

Sure you could argue that PAL format is superior after PAL 60hz finally became a thing but that happened after systems covered by this board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:25:33 2016 No.3368501 >>3368435 Flashcart. PAL ROMs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:34:30 2016 No.3368529 >>3368501 They still need to run on a PAL-console.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 22:36:39 2016 No.3368540 I play Probotector on my Famicom, because I like the robot characters. The game wasn't changed in any way timing-wise, so if it runs on an NTSC-system, it will be the same speed as Contra.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:03:53 2016 No.3368612

PAL is a technically better video signal.

However all the console games that /vr/ plays were made in japan or USA, and therefore custom tailored to 60hz 525 line signal, which is slow and bordered on PAL machines.

It's the same thing as VHS versus Betamax, Beta had way better quality but VHS had all the porn, so it became more popular.

Either way, PAL60 is the best video signal. PAL colour encoding at NTSC resolution and refresh.

>>3368435
The only system I can think of that is inarguably superior in PAL is the C64.

Dreamcast has many games supporting PAL60, they pop up a screen at the start asking you which one you want to use, 50hz or 60hz, and a test button to see if your system can even handle it.

PAL Saturn is piss easy to convert into 60hz and comes with SCART cables which shit all over all the crap third party ones quality wise.

Nintendo and Sony consoles were generally fucked as far as PAL support went.

Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:11:29 2016 No.3368629

>>3368612
>Beta had way better quality but VHS had all the porn
Well, not exactly. Sony didn't license the Betamax system to other manufacturers, making the players much more expensive. They also had some sorta control over what was published on the format. Sony has made quite a not of proprietary media formats even in recent years that have remained obscure.
>>3368612
>PAL Saturn is piss easy to convert into 60hz and comes with SCART cables which shit all over all the crap third party ones quality wise.
Tell me more! I'm the guy who made that thread on replacing the PSU.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 17 23:17:32 2016 No.3368641 >>3368629 model 1 saturns literally have a premade connector on the pcb for 50/60hz switching, next to the battery. You connect the middle two pins and the system is now in 60hz.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:20:38 2016 No.3368775 >>3368462 PAL is 50hz NTSC is 60hz NTSC is a better format for games

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:33:06 2016 No.3368797 >>3368775 I hope you aren't the same idiot that thinks all 50hz games run at 50FPS. Only PAL games that weren't properly optimised have the ~15% speed drop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:39:34 2016 No.3368806 >>3368797 >Only PAL games that weren't properly optimised So like most games

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:42:59 2016 No.3368814 >>3368806 For the ones that weren't, there were mod switches, so we got the best of both worlds. You lose again, yanks.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:49:28 2016 No.3368824

>>3368814

Well, that's good for you, but doesn't change the fact most games ran like shit and most people didn't crack open their consoles to rape them in order to get something decent that the rest of the world was getting without effort, as devs intended.

also, I'm not a yank, but good try!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 00:55:26 2016 No.3368832 >>3368814 >mod switch Still not the correct speed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:38:47 2016 No.3368903 >>3368832 How so? I've Never had problems with my 60hz modded pal snes/mega drive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:41:40 2016 No.3368910 >>3368832 Keep spreading those lies, yank. Also, fuck off janitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:42:02 2016 No.3368913 >>3368462 Poorfags Always Lagging, chum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:43:53 2016 No.3368919 >>3368910 Fuck off to your Amiga thread you pommy bastard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:48:06 2016 No.3368928 >>3368913 >thinks lag is the same as slowdown Thanks for confirming you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:49:08 2016 No.3368929 >>3368919 Amiga is better than your yank systems. Sucks you had to grow up with trash like NES and IBM.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:49:09 2016 No.3368930 >>3368928 >thinks ntsc has trouble with colors Thanks for confirming you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:50:12 2016 No.3368931 >>3368929 Yeah yeah, still waiting on those tape games to load..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:55:28 2016 No.3368942 File: 87 KB, 627x315, pal gives a superior picture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3368930 >implying it doesn't Why are yanks so stupid?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 01:57:36 2016 No.3368943 >>3368931 Still waiting on the NES to get a good videogame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:03:35 2016 No.3368949 >>3368903 >>3368910 Different crystals. It's close to the 59. w/e that 60hz NTSC wants but not exact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:23:10 2016 No.3368967 >Britbongs are so salty about playing games in slow motion that they have actually convinced themselves that the games were meant to be played at that speed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:26:39 2016 No.3368971 File: 2 KB, 256x192, doubledragon1-comp-zxspectrum.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3368929 Yeah, I wish I could have played the SUPERIOR versions of games like you lucky brits

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:37:57 2016 No.3368985 >>3368942 >these on paper specs are better than using an actual TV Bet you jack off to PC specs instead of actually playing games you daft cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:39:33 2016 No.3368989 File: 6 KB, 640x400, original game, do not steal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3368943 Still waiting on your literal who computers to get an original video game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:51:22 2016 No.3369007 >>3368913 Do you even know what lag is?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:54:48 2016 No.3369008

As someone who grew up with PAL, what's the best way to experience NTSC for mega drive and Saturn etc?
I'm going to Japan later this year, thought I might just pick up Japanese consoles and then flashcart to get the games.
AV cables and controllers should be compatible, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:55:35 2016 No.3369010 >>3368612 >Nintendo and Sony consoles were generally fucked as far as PAL support went. Nintendo maybe, but wasn't Sony relatively attentive to the European market?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 02:56:12 2016 No.3369014 >>3369007 Do you even know what the settings on your TV do? >Never Twice the Same Colour >NTTSC, really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 06:21:00 2016 No.3369201 >>3369014 'The' and 'and' aren't necessarily used in acronyms.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 06:38:01 2016 No.3369212

>>3368435
If you're getting an old microcomputer or not IBM compatible, you could go for the PAL versions as several games were coded originally in PAL. For the more popular /vr/ home consoles however, NTSC is what you should consider if you want the highest framerate (which you probably want if you're speedrunning or playing fighting games). You can mod most home consoles so they'll be able to run both modes or just use an emulator and pick what you prefer.

Personally, I'm totally fine with using a PAL console and games. It's different from the (usually) JP or US orginal games but if it's optimised for PAL, you won't even notice much unless you compare both of them side to side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 09:54:33 2016 No.3369382 >pal thread >australia-kun autism kicks in at full force why is he so predictable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 09:57:20 2016 No.3369389 >>3368479 this doesnt matter if it is superior since nearly no games take advantage of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:01:34 2016 No.3369392 >>3369389 >doesnt matter to me if it is superior since nearly no Japanese or American games take advantage of it FTFY

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:02:02 2016 No.3369393

>>3368903

You may have fixed the speed (although I highly doubt it), but you were still stuck with borders and it all comes down to games being developed for NTSC on the first place.

Also, before you call me a yank, because you don't like getting told and you call anyone who calls you out a "yank", let me remind you that NTSC was present in most of the american continent, not just USA, and the countries that had variations of PAL, like PAL-N or PAL-M had multinorm TVs that would let them display NTSC at 60hz. So you were only really stuck with shitty PAL in Europe and Australia, everybody else was enjoying games the way it was meant to be enjoyed, and without having to alter the original hardware with sketchy mods.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:03:26 2016 No.3369394 >>3369392 The key here is "Japanese". Nobody cares about european or american games on consoles.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:05:37 2016 No.3369397

>>3369393
>but you were still stuck with borders
Only in 50hz mode, when you turn switch to 60hz it plays in full speed and goes fullscreen. You can also force PAL game to 60hz mode(which gets rid of the borders) but it can cause problems on some games(region-lock screen, or game plays too fast/has graphical issues if its optimized for 50hz).

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:09:04 2016 No.3369402

>>3369393
>You may have fixed the speed (although I highly doubt it), but you were still stuck with borders
No, it fixes the borders. You don't know shit.
>let me remind you that NTSC was present in most of the american continent, not just USA
The US is the only relevant American country.
>sketchy mods.
The mods are very. very easy. They aren't sketchy at all.
>>3369394
Why do you think colour encoding only applies to console games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:11:29 2016 No.3369405 >>3368529 Pal n64 will play NTSC games at the proper speeds. I'd assume a NTSC would aslo play pal n64 games at their proper speeds too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:11:51 2016 No.3369406

>>3369402
>The mods are very. very easy.

Didn't said they weren't.

>They aren't sketchy at all.

Eh... I don't like altering original hardware. It's always sketchy.

>Why do you think colour encoding only applies to console games?

Read the OP, this thread is about consoles. If you want to talk about PC games, go to the PC thread (although they never talk about games), or the doom general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:14:28 2016 No.3369413 >>3369406 >Eh... I don't like altering original hardware. It's always sketchy. How so? >If you want to talk about PC games Since when are non-IBM home computers called PCs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:15:22 2016 No.3369415 >>3369413 I'm sorry mr. autism, I meant the retro-computard general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:17:00 2016 No.3369416 >>3369415 How are mods sketchy?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:17:23 2016 No.3369417

>>3368967
Pretty sure none of them know about the issue. Well the casuals I've spoken too don't. I've been on the lookout for a cheap JAP Saturn lately and my brother can't comprehend why. Is the 60hz mod actually good, unlike the SNES/genesis ones that still play at the wrong speeds?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:18:29 2016 No.3369418 >>3369416 You're altering the original hardware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:21:20 2016 No.3369420 >>3369418 How is that sketchy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:45:18 2016 No.3369440 >>3369008 Both controllers and AV-cables are always compatible, excluding the European NES-controllers. American (And Scandinavian for some reason) consoles work with continental European controllers, but not vice versa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:47:09 2016 No.3369443 >>3369420 I already answered. But you know what isn't sketchy? based mods deleting your posts!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:47:36 2016 No.3369445 >>3369405 Well, that sounds really neat, then I can probably pick up one in the wild instead of buying one from some Jap. Any more info on this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:48:41 2016 No.3369448 >>3369443 You didn't and I don't think you know what sketchy means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:49:08 2016 No.3369449 >>3369413 >Since when are non-IBM home computers called PCs? Well, since PC means personal computers, I guess non-IBM stuff could be called PCs too, even if they're usually called home computers. This is why I call them IBM-PCs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:51:49 2016 No.3369450 >>3369449 That doesn't answer my question. In the 80s we never called non-IBM PCs PCs, nor did we ever see them referred to as such. When did people start applying the term Personal Computer to home computers such as the C64?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:54:38 2016 No.3369451 File: 4 KB, 343x90, tmp_26986-images(3)-83985915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3369445 They also have carts with region protection. I think you can mod your console or get a passport. Or just get an everdrive

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 10:55:54 2016 No.3369453 >>3369450 Never? Pretty sure most people think PC = desktop with windows

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:09:07 2016 No.3369469 Why are you old fucks shitposting about these shitty old microcomputers that have no games? This isn't your containment thread, go back to your speculum vs c64 wars on the appropriate thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:28:05 2016 No.3369486 >>3369469 Why do Americans hate computers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:33:34 2016 No.3369496 >>3369486 why do old fucks like you still care about shitty outdated pieces of junk that have no games? go to /g/ you mongrel, this is retro GAMES, not retro word processors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:37:51 2016 No.3369504 >>3369496 Why do americans think every 8-bit microcomputer was as incapable as their Macintosh and IBM crap?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:39:53 2016 No.3369506 >>3369504 I'm not even american, retro computers suck, both US and EU. You have no good games on any of them, just shoddy ports of japanese games and badly designed stuff made by 15 year old amateurs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:45:01 2016 No.3369512 >>3369506 Canadians are still American.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:46:07 2016 No.3369513 >>3368494 PAL is in theory by design better in quality with corrupted signals than NTSC. It#s just dumb that this is irrelevant regarding home consoles as with those there are no corruptions on that ssmall way to the TV

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 11:47:29 2016 No.3369515 >>3369512 And I'm not a canuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:33:39 2016 No.3369591 >>3369010 As far as translations went, yeah, but I don't know if they actually bothered speed optimizing PSX titles. I remember Tekken 1 and 2 being total fucking jokes compared to the PAL version of Virtua Fighter 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:44:54 2016 No.3369612 The only PAL version of anything that's better than the NTSC version is the Saturn port of Earthworm Jim 2.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:47:24 2016 No.3369621

>>3369612

Man, the Saturn port of EWJ2 sure looks good (and even still that's debatable, more impressive technical stuff, but some of the art direction is questionable), but plays worse than the 16-bit counterparts.

In what was the PAL version better?

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:47:35 2016 No.3369624

>>3369486
Why do you feel the need to insert your god damn worthless opinion everywhere on this board? And always with the same anti-American spiel. Anywhere Nintendo or Sony is mentioned, you have to bring up your microcomputers and them "yanks," even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. God damn son, nobody cares.

If your Amiga games are so good, go play them and be happy. I mean, shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:49:26 2016 No.3369630 >>3369621 The game is so out of sync, the sounds, controls, and sprites manage to sync up better at the 50 Hz PAL standard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:52:30 2016 No.3369638 >>3369624 It's Australia-kun. Go ahead, mention Super Castlevania IV or Bloodlines instead of "The New Generation" to draw him out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 12:56:01 2016 No.3369646 >>3369638 b-b-ut it's just 1 guy using the australian strawman!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 13:30:07 2016 No.3369702 >>3368931 >>3368943 >>3368989 /vr/ is for quality retro video game discussion, not shit like this. >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 13:31:37 2016 No.3369706 >>3369469 >>3369496 >>3369506 >>3369515 Whoa, /v/kiddie, you seem to be in the wrong place. >>>/v/ would be a better place for you.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 13:33:57 2016 No.3369708

>>3369706

He's right though, there's a containment retro-computer thread (that should go on /g/ anyway because they only discuss about hardware, and by "discuss" I mean having the most autistic fanboy wars on the internet).
This thread wasn't about retro-computers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 13:43:45 2016 No.3369724 >>3369702 >>3369706 Yeah, Australia-kun's trolling is a shining example of the quality /vr/ needs. We should all be like him. Microcomputers go in >>>/g/ by the way, backseat moderator.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 15:51:43 2016 No.3369989 File: 49 KB, 610x347, smugcarmack.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3369506 >retro computers suck, both US and EU. You have no good games on any of them >this is what weebcucks actually believe

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:10:01 2016 No.3370045 >>3369453 Reminds me of those MacOS retards who differentiate between Apple's computers and regular PCs, even though they have been PC-based for 10 years now.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:10:02 2016 No.3370046

>>3369393
>So you were only really stuck with shitty PAL in Europe and Australia, everybody else was enjoying games the way it was meant to be enjoyed, and without having to alter the original hardware with sketchy mods.

You either think non-first world countries don't exist, that they don't play games (worst assumption, what else would they do in shitholes) or that they for some reason all use NTSC. While it's not uncommon, the same goes for PAL. Without official sales the market turns free for all, with a mix of both.

Additionally while mods can be sketchy I agree with mr autism, not all of them are. With your logic even replacing the backside of nintendo cartridges for NTSC-J <-> NTSC-U region bypass is sketchy, which it really isn't.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:15:40 2016 No.3370062

>>3370046

>With your logic even replacing the backside of nintendo cartridges for NTSC-J <-> NTSC-U region bypass is sketchy

As long as you aren't as brute as those guys who actually make physical wholes on JP carts so they fit on the slot, I don't think that can be called a mod, you can revert it to its original state anytime you want without anything ever changing. If what you say is unscrew the plastic case and exchanging the back one from a SFC cart to a SNES one.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:31:12 2016 No.3370095

>>3370062
The argument being made was that altering original hardware == sketchy. Replacing the backside of a cardridge by unscrewing it and screwing another one in its place is altering the original hardware.

Sure, it's easy and can be reverted. Just like some of the PAL mods, which was exactly the other guy's point. See e.g >>3368641

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 16:39:39 2016 No.3370108 >>3370095 In that case is also fine, I guess. Is there anything like that for older systems?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:45:30 2016 No.3370374 >>3368462 Everyone who cares uses RGB so the color encoding is irrelevant. >>3368797 50FPS is the best possible with PAL. They can also be worse.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 18:50:52 2016 No.3370382

>>3368797
>>I hope you aren't the same idiot that thinks all 50hz games run at 50FPS.
But, they do? Don't you know what hz stands for?

Just because some games were "optimised" for it, doesn't mean it's ever worth the decrease in framerate for a slightly higher resolution that almost no games take advantage of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:10:27 2016 No.3370706 Amstrad GX4000 and Amiga CD32 are better in PAL.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:13:18 2016 No.3370715 >>3370382 Refresh rate != framerate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:31:01 2016 No.3370759 File: 1.93 MB, 480x270, image.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Merifats NEVER EVER got to experience PAL60's richer colours in their games

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:48:57 2016 No.3370914
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>>3370382
>>I hope you aren't the same idiot that thinks all 50hz games run at 50FPS.
>But, they do? Don't you know what hz stands for?
My monitor runs at 75hz. The game I'm playing runs between 45 and 60 FPS. TIME PARADOX!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:49:58 2016 No.3370916 >>3370914 nigga you dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 23:16:59 2016 No.3370980 >>3370916 Someone translate this babble, please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:09:01 2016 No.3371092 >>3370759 >brown-teethed britfags think some fancy colors make up for butchered slow motion gameplay and music that's even worse than playing on an emulator Keep telling yourself it's better

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:14:53 2016 No.3371101 >>3371092 >PAL60 >slow-motion gameplay Are all yanks as dense as you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 00:17:04 2016 No.3371107 >>3370980 bitch you stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:32:31 2016 No.3371234 >>3371101 These are the same morons who used composite for everything, remember.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:36:08 2016 No.3371243 Isn't the reason they went with 50hz because they expected TV's to double the frequency, so you'd actually have 100hz on your display?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 07:26:42 2016 No.3371697 >>3368930 >I know you are but what am i Just because you had an snes when you were in kindergarten doesn't mean you should act like you're still there when discussing it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 07:30:45 2016 No.3371703 >>3371697 It's cool if you still need to get your grandkids to adjust your TV for you, pops.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 07:54:47 2016 No.3371730 File: 34 KB, 520x496, 1414165078776.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3371243 I'm not sure which bodily orifice you pulled that idea from?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:29:25 2016 No.3371778

>>3371234

Kek. I love it when retards outside the US shit talk Americans and then turn around and say they can't stand how egotistical Americans are.

You're a hypocrite and I wish you the best of luck with your cognitive dissonance fueled by your inferiority complex.

Good day m8!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:35:24 2016 No.3371786 >>3371778 >then turn around and say they can't stand how egotistical Americans are. When did I say that?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:48:54 2016 No.3371794

>>3370759

Why do you think only americans had NTSC?

Why do you think everyone would want to alter the original state of their consoles?

What makes you think you didn't had a traumatic childhood playing bad ports of japanese games on old ass computers that nobody remember or care about anymore?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:53:13 2016 No.3371796

>>3371794
>Why do you think only americans had NTSC?
Americans and Japs were the only relevant countries that used NTSC.
>Why do you think everyone would want to alter the original state of their consoles?
There's no problem with altering the state of your console. Why would that be a problem? Are you afraid of opening up your console or something? Do you even clean them?
>What makes you think you didn't had a traumatic childhood playing bad ports of japanese games on old ass computers that nobody remember or care about anymore?
I wasn't a child when Japanese consoles came out over here. I didn't have any trauma playing computer games, I don't know what you mean by 'ass computers', the only computers comparable to asses were made by Apple.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 08:58:53 2016 No.3371801

>>3371796
>Americans and Japs were the only relevant countries that used NTSC.

So what problem do you have with the japanese? Do you know you're on a website owned by a japanese man? who also hates you and fucks with you all the time by deleting your posts and spreading your doxx info on IRC channels :^)

>There's no problem with altering the state of your console. Why would that be a problem? Are you afraid of opening up your console or something? Do you even clean them?

No problem in opening and cleaning.
But opening and altering stuff on the PCB? yes, that's a problem. I want my systems to be pristine and factory-state, and you should too.

>I wasn't a child when Japanese consoles came out over here.

Show proof of that. As far as I'm concerned you could be a 19 year old hipster who parrots e-celebs like LGR.

>I didn't have any trauma playing computer games

You have several traumas.

>I don't know what you mean by 'ass computers'

Nobody cares about your old pieces of junk anymore, man. Accept it and move on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:12:05 2016 No.3371814 >>3371796 >Americans and Japs were the only relevant countries Smartest thing you've ever said Australia-kun.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:14:22 2016 No.3371815

>>3371801
>But opening and altering stuff on the PCB? yes, that's a problem. I want my systems to be pristine and factory-state, and you should too.
How is that a problem? Why do you want them to be in that state?
>>3371801
>Nobody cares about your old pieces of junk anymore, man. Accept it and move on.
You're on a board dedicated to old pieces of 'junk'.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:21:30 2016 No.3371823

>>3371815

>How is that a problem? Why do you want them to be in that state?

why would I want to own mutilated stuff?

>You're on a board dedicated to old pieces of 'junk'.

No, people on this board talk about systems that have games, thus are not junk, they still use them.
Your old computers are outdated junk that aren't relevant anymore, the only people who care are old fucks who still argue about hardware because they don't have any games to talk about, just bad ports and eurotrash.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:25:22 2016 No.3371831

>>3371823
>why would I want to own mutilated stuff?
Because it may improve them or could just be for fun, like an overclock. Maybe you want to play Japanese games on a system that has region lockout, would you disable the lockout or buy a Japanese console? The only foreign console I own is an American NES that I disabled the region lock on.
>Your old computers are outdated junk that aren't relevant anymore, the only people who care are old fucks who still argue about hardware because they don't have any games to talk about, just bad ports and eurotrash.
Some people have an interest in systems and games, why is that so offensive to you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:42:40 2016 No.3371857 >>3371831 >American NES that I disabled the region lock on Why not just get a fucking AV Famicom?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:43:16 2016 No.3371859

>>3371831
>Because it may improve them

I think there's no improvement over what developers intended. Everything else is mutilation, and people destroying pieces of history.

>Maybe you want to play Japanese games on a system that has region lockout

There are adapters for cart-based systems, so I never needed to mutilate my systems.

>Some people have an interest in systems and games

>systems

If all are they gonna talk about is hardware, there's /g/ for that.

>games

What games?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:43:48 2016 No.3371860 >>3371831 >games Not him, but you rarely if ever talk about them. Your focus is almost solely on hardware and shitting on anything American/Japanese. Overall poor form.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:51:23 2016 No.3371873

>>3371857
Why would I want an AV Famicom?
>>3371859
>I think there's no improvement over what developers intended. Everything else is mutilation, and people destroying pieces of history.
They can certainly be improved.
>If all are they[sic] gonna talk about is hardware, there's /g/ for that.
Hardware can be discussed here.
>>3371859
>What games?
Depends which system you're referring to.
>>3371860
You just don't notice me most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:54:34 2016 No.3371883 >>3371873 >Why would I want an AV Famicom? It's the easiest way to get one with Composite output without doing any mods.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:56:19 2016 No.3371886 >>3371883 I'd rather use RF than composite, but the American NES ouputs composite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:00:20 2016 No.3371891 >>3371886 >I'd rather use RF than composite Why? >>3371886 >the American NES ouputs composite. Sure, but only the frontloader, where the cartridge slot wears out so easily. They removed the composite output on the toploader.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:02:50 2016 No.3371894

>>3371873
>They can certainly be improved.

There are ways to do that without mutilating the original hardware. RGB exists, why would you need to mutilate your system with PAL60?

>Hardware can be discussed here.

Yes, but not exclusively, note the board's name is retro games, not retro hardware. /g/ is the place you can discuss about computers in general.

>Depends which system you're referring to.

Tell me what retro computer games are popular in retro computer threads. Give me a top 20 list.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:11:54 2016 No.3371908

>>3371891
>Why?
Better colours. The picture quality difference between RF and composite is only slight.
>where the cartridge slot wears out so easily
It can be repaired easily or replaced if you're inept.
>There are ways to do that without mutilating the original hardware. RGB exists, why would you need to mutilate your system with PAL60?
If you're referring to a 50/6hz mod, then RGB has nothing to do with that. Nor does it have anything to do with PAL60.
>Yes, but not exclusively
Good, because it isn't discussed exclusively.
>Tell me what retro computer games are popular in retro computer threads. Give me a top 20 list.
Depends on the people in the thread. I can tell you some common computers that had a lot of games. Acorn's computers like the Electron and the Archimedes had their place, while the BBC Micro was the computer most commonly used in schools. Amstrad had their CPC and, after acquiring the rights to Sinclair's computer line re-released the ZX Spectrum. Commodore computers like the Commodore 64 and Commodore Amiga were very popular and advanced for their time. The Atari ST was another popular computer. In the US I believe IBM, Apple, and TI computers had a strong market share.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:13:57 2016 No.3371913

>>3371908
>ask about a list of top 20 games in general
>proceeds to tell me about different computer names and which ones were used at schools and such.

Wow.

Just give me a top 20 games of games in general that are discussed on the retro computer threads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:14:09 2016 No.3371914 >>3371894 see >>3371908

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:17:02 2016 No.3371918

>>3370914
45 and and 60 are less than 75, idiot.
75hz means that your monitor refreshes 75 times per second. Meaning the maximum FPS you can possibly display on it is 75. But anything equal to or lower than that is fine.

And even if the game you're playing is rendering more than that, most of them are getting tossed out. Your monitor can't magically display more frames than it is physically capable of.

>>3368797
"optimised" in this case means the game's code was changed to make objects move faster, to compensate for the lower framerate.
PAL is simply incapable of displaying more than 50 frames per second. This is not debatable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:23:22 2016 No.3371928 >>3371908 How about top 20 Amiga or C64 games, whatever your computer of choice is.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:24:17 2016 No.3371930

>>3371913
Shadow of the Beast, Populous, Turrican, Another World, Lemmings, Zool, Xenon, Civilization, Jetpac, Burnin' Rubber, Cauldron, Nebulus, Worms, The Secret of Monkey Island, Alien Breed, Gods, Wizkid, Wizball, Sensible Soccer, James Pond, Stardust.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:25:23 2016 No.3371934 >>3371928 I prefer the Amiga. I just named a few, many of which were Amiga games. There are lots of lists ranging from top 10 to top 100 on the web if you care to check.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:29:43 2016 No.3371942

>>3371934
Yes I remember you from countless other threads, so do those games actually get discussed in the computer general? I can't seem to see a whole lot of discussion about games going on in there.

Even this thread isn't even a discussion of any games, but TV standards.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:30:01 2016 No.3371943

>>3371930

I just went to this thread >>3355297

And ctrl+f all these games on your list.

Wow. I didn't expect this. 0 results on every single one of them. Nobody was talking about any of those.

Are you sure those are the most popular?

I'm just trying to figure out what games do retro-pc guys talk about, because I only see hardware discussion.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:33:15 2016 No.3371948

>>3371942
I don't post there, but I've discussed most of those games on this board. Not every game is familiar to everyone, so not all games can be discussed equally. This board is largely populated by younger Americans, so they'll largely focus on what they played as children, like the Super Nintendo or the Playstation. Remember, not everyone had an ST or an Amiga, those computers were rather expensive back then. Budget 8 bit microcomputers, like the ZX Spectrum, remained popular only for their games well after 16 bit systems became available.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:34:42 2016 No.3371951 >>3371948 You should really stop coming here if you don't like being surrounded by 30 year old children then, australia-kun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:34:51 2016 No.3371952 >>3371943 I don't post there, never have, and only IBMs ever carried the banner of PC. Most home computers were not referred to as PCs. Why does it offend you that a retro computer general exists?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:35:27 2016 No.3371953 >>3371948 So what's the reason you enter random threads where you're not wanted and spread your bullshit? Why are you a general dick to anyone who didn't have a microcomputer like you? Why the hate for America, my good man?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:38:10 2016 No.3371956

>>3371951
When did I say I don't like it? There can be some discussion, it's just harder to find. Americans just aren't very fun to discuss with because they lack the Anglo sense of humour that can be found with the other colonies.
>>3371953
>So what's the reason you enter random threads where you're not wanted and spread your bullshit?
I don't, but I have noticed some people posting images I used and exaggerating what I have previously said.
>Why are you a general dick to anyone who didn't have a microcomputer like you?
Perhaps you weren't talking to me.
>Why the hate for America, my good man?
I've never really said anything that bad about America or Americans, only some banter about your current state of affairs.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:40:58 2016 No.3371958

>>3371952
>Welcome to the 70s to early 90s Computer Gaming General. We talk about games and the hardware they were made for, either micro, mini or mainframe computers, desktop, tower or all in keyboard package, from Japan, the US, Europe, or anywhere, if the platform came out before 1995.

I don't see "PC" or "IBM" anywhere on there, you're free to discuss your Amiga there.

Anyway, what >>3371953 said.

What's your problem? At this point, your posts get deleted all the time, everyone is tired of your same old shit, you always end up butthurt and accusing everyone of being a "yank".

What gives? Do you get any fun out of it? Because /v/ is a much better place for that. More traffic = more replies for bait, and people are less likely to recognize you. Plus mods/jannys are also more busy deleting porn and other more offtopic shit than your usual tame trolling.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:42:08 2016 No.3371960

>>3371956
>Perhaps you weren't talking to me.
Your posting style is what gives it away though.

>banter
It's not really banter though, it's just straight vitriol at this point. See the posts the janitor deleted for examples of this. When people call you out on your bullshit you resort to petty name calling, I can hardly call that banter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:42:40 2016 No.3371961 >>3371958 >I don't see "PC" or "IBM" anywhere on there, you're free to discuss your Amiga there. I know, but I don't. >At this point, your posts get deleted all the time Not that I've noticed. Perhaps you've been seeing the posts of someone else.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:44:51 2016 No.3371968

>>3371960
>Your posting style is what gives it away though.
I've seen many, many other posters be accused of being Australian, which I am not either. I see the posts like
>>3368462
>>3368943
>>3370759
Are not mine, yet others in this thread seem to believe they are.
>It's not really banter though, it's just straight vitriol at this point. See the posts the janitor deleted for examples of this. When people call you out on your bullshit you resort to petty name calling, I can hardly call that banter.
Again, you're confusing me with others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:45:30 2016 No.3371969 >>3371961 >I know, but I don't. Why? >Not that I've noticed. Perhaps you've been seeing the posts of someone else. Ha ha ha.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:46:56 2016 No.3371971 >>3371968 >Are not mine, yet others in this thread seem to believe they are. Which is why they weren't deleted. Mods are only deleting your posts because they got your ISP already. They ignore your imitators.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:47:31 2016 No.3371973 >>3371969 >Why? I have no interest in checking generals for topics I have an interest in. There are plenty of interesting threads in the catalogue that I post in. The only general I occasionally check is the repair general, so I can offer advice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:48:42 2016 No.3371976 >>3371971 My first post in this thread was here >>3369007 None of my posts have been deleted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:50:27 2016 No.3371981 >>3371968 How about these? >>/vr/thread/S3368435#p3368814 >>/vr/thread/S3368435#p3368910 >>/vr/thread/S3368435#p3368929 >>/vr/thread/S3368435#p3368942

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:51:20 2016 No.3371983

>>3371968
Yes, it's been established you're from the UK, I'm not sure why the name stuck. Well either way you're not wanted here, but unfortunately us lowly posters can do nothing about it. I can't spend all day here, but I hope you find peace from whatever torment Americans and Nintendo cause you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:54:14 2016 No.3371986 >>3371983 >I'm not sure why the name stuck. Because of the "Sea-guh" thing. And because Australia-kun sounds funnier than britfag-kun or something.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:54:57 2016 No.3371987

>>3371981
No, none of those are my posts. I can guarantee you that. I have stated that PAL gives a better picture in the past and, yes, that is an image I cropped from Wikipedia. But as I have stated, I have seen many posts that have imitated and exaggerated my previously stated sentiments. Whether these posters are upset at what I have posted and are doing so to sully my arguments, or they are doing it because they know it gets a rise out of people I do not know. But those are not my posts and I have never posted anything like that. Like most Anglos I have called Americans yanks in the past, but it is not a malicious slur.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:57:06 2016 No.3371990

>>3371983
You don't even seem to know when I post, just because you don't have an interest in retro computer games doesn't mean you should expel those who do.
>>3371986
I only ever gave the example that Australians pronounce it that way, unless you're again confusing me for someone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:00:12 2016 No.3371993 File: 993 KB, 250x250, 4561595489489.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >australia-kun is now playing it polite and trying to make us believe he's not the most obvious shitposter in here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:01:11 2016 No.3371998 >>3371993 Either you've been duped by imitations or you're an imitator.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:25:40 2016 No.3372562 >>3371953 >Why the hate for America Because USA is a shithole overrun with niggers and jews and your white guilt allows them to destroy your nation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:27:32 2016 No.3372569 >>3372562 Not like UK or Australia are any different though. Enjoy getting cucked forever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:30:42 2016 No.3372578 >>3371859 >developers intended Nice meme. Just admit you're too incompetent to mod your hardware. I bet you don't even have a job.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:33:15 2016 No.3372585

>>3372578
>I bet you don't even have a job.

Maybe he has a job and money to buy the same console for different regions, without the need to modify its hardware.

Modding consoles seems more like something people with a lot of free time would do, and who are too poor to buy a 2nd system to play different region games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:39:57 2016 No.3372601 >>3372569 Australia doesn't have that bad of an immigration problem. England is also on the path of fixing herself thanks to leaving the EU, perhaps they'll finally get rid of their Muslim dilemma.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:41:24 2016 No.3372605 >>3372562 >posted to a US website on US servers from a US OS running on a US PC clone on a network created on a US computer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:43:05 2016 No.3372608 >>3372601 Australia is cucked by abos and giant spiders, and UK is cucked by the jews, just as much as USA is. Enjoy your life in hell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:50:56 2016 No.3372631 >>3372608 Rather have giant spiders than dealing with being shot by niggers just for going outside on my front porch. Stay cucked, yankee fucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:52:32 2016 No.3372636 >>3372631 Oh anglo-tards, you're so funny. You're already cucked, all of you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:52:52 2016 No.3372638 >>3372631 You are one dumb fuck. Take a hint - there's a reason the janitor's been trashing all your posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:53:29 2016 No.3372639 >>3372636 >says the Swede, who's the most cucked country in the west Laff

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:54:57 2016 No.3372646 >>3372639 >Swede And just how did you come up with such claim? I'm not a swede. You're a retarded anglo cuck though, enjoy your putrid teeth and bad genetics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:56:41 2016 No.3372651 >>3372646 So where are you from then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:58:16 2016 No.3372659 >>3372651 Not from any anglo tard country, that's for sure. I'm the owner of 4chan, so you should know what country I'm from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:59:05 2016 No.3372662 >>3372659 If that's so, then ban him

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:00:02 2016 No.3372664 >>3372659 You keep complaining about anglos, so I'm going to assume you're a kraut. How'd it feel getting raped by both the jews and Russians, mate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:02:31 2016 No.3372671 >>3372664 You keep assuming, australia, but in the end, you're just assuming. >>3372662 because I love fucking with his mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:04:19 2016 No.3372676 >>3372671 For the last time, I'm not Australia-kun. You've been duped by an imposteur.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:06:41 2016 No.3372680 >>3372676 We know you're a pansy pom, ffs. It's a name, dumbass. Everyone likes the way it gets under your skin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:07:53 2016 No.3372683 >>3372676 If it's for the last time, then I really hope it is, because nobody believes your lies, australia-kun, and especially not me. :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:09:09 2016 No.3372684 File: 51 KB, 1280x720, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw America's population is 40% black

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:13:09 2016 No.3372694 >>3372684 >dat british education Seems when your teachers have their hands full teaching the quran all day, they skimp on real facts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:30:39 2016 No.3372730 >>3372694 How's that 20tril debt going, yank? Have you asked China to buy you out yet?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 17:31:40 2016 No.3372731 [DELETED]

>>3372694
Ah, my mistake, it's more like 80% black now, isn't it, what with all those race-mixing liberal agendas shoved down your throat. Your country's so cucked by subhumans you elected a nigger not once! But twice! And now, you are pleading for a demagogic tycoon to save you. Hilarious.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:35:29 2016 No.3372883

STOP AMERICUNT

The 50Hertz in Europe were never the problem of the speed PAL games.
The problem just as Sega and Nintendo are following the Japan is NTSC, the vast majority of developers are following the USA and Japan is NTSC.
Inevitably there is a conversion to and at the time of 8,16 and 32 / 64bits Sega, Nintendo and Sony had don't care about Europe.

The problem of PAL that we talk to these consoles and not for the Dreamcast, PS2, GC, Xbox etc ... because when done correctly there is no difference between PAL and NTSC in terms of speed .

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:39:04 2016 No.3372890 >>3372883 And that's the point; when done correctly. Fact is games were rarely converted properly and this is why so many games were butchered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:52:34 2016 No.3372913 >>3372890 This happened to Kingdom Hearts and Devil May Cry. Two games focused on fast and frantic action.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:35:13 2016 No.3373225 >>3368641 any source on how to do this mod?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 06:16:06 2016 No.3373865 >>3373225 Bump for this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 19:57:04 2016 No.3375192 >>3368435 This map is wrong. Brazil is NTSC

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 20:04:47 2016 No.3375203 >>3375192 it's PAL-M

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 20:16:06 2016 No.3375213 >>3373225 >any source on how to do this mod? Check the battery slot, if there's a small connector there named SW4, then solder a on/off switch to the middle two pins. Only works on model 1 pal units.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 20:22:53 2016 No.3375228 >>3375213 Will this work for both the resolution and the framerate? Will it play just like an NTSC-unit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 22:09:03 2016 No.3375426 >>3368435 >Expected to see a list of games that are worth getting in PAL version (and thus getting the console PAL version) because of fixes/features >It's an autistic as fuck discussion about PAL itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 22:31:43 2016 No.3375460 >>3375228 It will output PAL60.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 04:39:57 2016 No.3375983 >>3369382 Because we are salty as fuck after realising all the games we played when we were younger THAT we also payed full price for are inferior versions to what everyone else was playing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 06:51:55 2016 No.3376079 >>3375460 Won't that squash the image?

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 10:02:49 2016 No.3378269

The Hong Kong version of the Famicom (both the Famicom and the NES were officially released there apparently) was internally NTSC but had a converter in it that converted the signal to PAL. Why couldn't all PAL-consoles use this instead of fucking around with the clock speed and all that bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 10:05:18 2016 No.3378274 >>3372683 >>3372671 >the posts were deleted So it was australia-kun after all, he was like "I swear guys, I'm not the australia-kun guy, you've been deceived by an impostor" lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 10:11:05 2016 No.3378282 >>3376079 PAL60 is ntsc resolution/hz with pal colour encoding.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 10:12:45 2016 No.3378287 >>3378274 No it wasn't. Look here >>3371968 and the posts after it. My posts weren't deleted, the posts by the phony were.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 12:58:46 2016 No.3378562 >>3378287 So autists got baited by not even the real Australia-kun. Hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:11:51 2016 No.3378575 >>3378562 No they got baited by the real Australia-kun. Britfag/Amigafag =/= Australia-kun, his memes inspired the real Australia-kun.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:21:23 2016 No.3378590

>>3378575
>Britfag/Amigafag =/= Australia-kun, his memes inspired the real Australia-kun.

How do we not know you weren't just using a proxy/VPN to do your shitposts with, while acting like the good guy so you could attempt to clear your name?

Also, even if it were an imitator, you're still to blame for your past shitposts, like the memes you claim to have invented.

You're still the Australia-kun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:23:45 2016 No.3378592 >>3378590 I'm not that dude, I'm the one who said it's obvious who he is by his posting style. Read the thread.

Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:27:36 2016 No.3378601

>>3378269
The pirates probably did that to save money more than anything. The pirates probably included the circuit to save from having to reverse engineer a 2A07 to make a proper clone. For the original console maker there wouldn't be any purpose in including that circuit since they have the schematics for the actual hardware and can make the console output PAL and 50Hz directly. Including that circuitry would just add additional components that could fail in the factory or in the wild and also increase the price of the console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:30:29 2016 No.3378608 >>3378592 Australia-kun became your name because you'd shit on Nintendo, praise PAL, call Sega "Sea-guh", among other things. Don't try to pretend you weren't behind such shitposts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:34:13 2016 No.3378617 >>3378608 Why are you facing off against someone on your side? I have literally brought all of those things up to him in this exact thread. >>3371860 >>3371953 >>3371960 >>3372638

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:48:45 2016 No.3378646 >>3378617 Because you're still an annoying Amiga/Sega fanboy and bring down any thread you enter. You were even shitting up the DK thread a bit ago.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 13:51:04 2016 No.3378652 >>3378646 Alright, man. If you feel that way, obviously no getting through to you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 22 16:54:32 2016 No.3378992 >>3378601 The official version was the one with a converter.

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