/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3362862]

>hear from /vr/ that Metal Slug is GOAT
>download the anthology on PSN to try it out
>1's controls are fucking abysmal, 2 and on are better but are still complete clusterfucks giving you no time to react to anything
Tell me again why this series gets so much praise? Is it just the pixel art? Because the gameplay is far too coin-grabby and turns from fun to frustrating very quickly if you haven't memorized the arbitrary stage layouts.

[Anonymous No.3362908]

Your complaint is that it's too hard. Are we supposed to take this seriously?

If you don't understand you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.3363000]

>>3362908
No, my complaint is that the difficulty stems from manipulative arcade-era design choices that are typically shunned even in retro games. An arcade game with poorer graphics would definitely catch flak for having unresponsive controls and invisible/cluttered sprites.

[Anonymous No.3363005]

>>3362862
>game is bad because it's too hard

Can't you just enter unlimited virtual coins in the anthology ones? The fun is getting good to the point where you can beat the levels without dying, stop being a garbage child and grow a sack

[Anonymous No.3363007]

>>3363005
>stop being a garbage child and grow a sack

kek

[Anonymous No.3363056]

nice graphics
>>3363000
I fully agree, and its my main issue with this series compared to console side scrollers.

Play them all and have a blast, they just arent classics.

[Anonymous No.3363067]

>>3363000
>this arcade game plays like an arcade game
this is what literal non-meme retardation looks like, people

[Anonymous No.3363074]

>>3363067
>An arcade game plays like the worst stereotype of arcade game coingrabbers and is widely acclaimed for it
No son, THIS is what something really retarded looks like

[Anonymous No.3363086]

Worst part is you can't play as Leona if you buy it for vita.

[Anonymous No.3363118]

>>3363005
pretty much this
if you don't want to learn it and you don't find continue-feeding fun, it's probably just not for you

[Anonymous No.3363157]

>>3363074
>"quarter-muncher" and its variations
"I'm really, really shit at video games, but it's NOT my fault, guys! REALLY!!

[Anonymous No.3363160]

>>3363074
You can beat metal slug 1-3 in one continue though. It's possible to do so.

[Anonymous No.3363163]

>>3363074
>>3363160
It's Metal slugs 4-7 that botch the level designs and just aren't worth trying to 1cc

[Anonymous No.3363169]

Just think of Metal Slug like a slower Contra. Keep playing, you'll get better.

Unless you have no patience at all, in which case why the fuck would you be playing a game like that in the first place?

[Anonymous No.3363189]

>>3363157
>wasting tens of hundreds of hours memorising a game just so you can say you don't suck at it

i feel sorry for you and your life

[Anonymous No.3363192]

>>3363189
>implying everyone is as slow as you and take hundreds of hours to get good at a game

[Anonymous No.3363543]

>>3362862
>This game is bad because it is to hard.

[Anonymous No.3363579]

op absolutely btfo itt

[Anonymous No.3363589]

How are the controls abysmal? They always seemed responsive to me.

[Anonymous No.3363592]

>>3363189
>Wast time whining on line vs wast time getting good

[Anonymous No.3363604]

OP fucking rekt

[Anonymous No.3363609]

>>3363189
That is what all video games are, memorizing mechanics of how your character behaves, enemy patterns, and levels.

Memorization in video games isn't a radically new concept.

[Anonymous No.3363832]

>>3362862
I love metal slug, my city was full of metal slug cabinet and im not very good but i love it so much like any other kids...

[Anonymous No.3363839]

>>3363832
Metal Slug seems to common just about everywhere. I've seen all 6 games (and X) at different arcades, and for a while, every pizza place and laundromat had a 2-slot MVS with 5 and Puzzle Bobble.

[Anonymous No.3363841]

>been playing through metal slug 1-5 with a friend these past few days
>see this thread

I'm not even that good at metal slug and I find it really fun OP. My friend is much better than me and I see how the games can be a piece of cake if you play through them a few times.

[Anonymous No.3363880]

>1's controls are fucking abysmal, 2 and on are better but are still complete clusterfucks giving you no time to react to anything

But there controls are identical right throughout the series.
Blatant bait thread.

[Anonymous No.3363897]

What's so difficult about it? I take it you mean you cant fire diagonally or something?

[Anonymous No.3365897]

>>3362862
I think you just need to git gud anon.

[Anonymous No.3365924]

>>3362862
Go whine about artificial difficulty on >>>/v/ if you hate challenge

[Anonymous No.3366605]

>>3363189
I 1 credited ms1 in under 10 hrs from scratch, you're just a fucking retarded low i.q excuse ridden mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.3366614]

>>3362862
Sounds like someone has no taste and skill.

[Anonymous No.3366625]

>>3362862
Weird you've said that considering 1 is the only one that runs at 60fps and the others are only 30.

[Anonymous No.3366630]

Alright to be fair Metal Slug 3 has the mission 3 boss with the luck based pattern that's sometimes unavoidable. And the final boss to Metal Slug X is completely luck driven depending on what weapons the UFOs drop.

And the lack of extends drive the whole game down.

[Anonymous No.3366635]

>>3366630
Pardon me, I mean mission 4 boss.

[Anonymous No.3366641]

>>3363000
Wow there are actually retarded people on this board.
This is not your place little nigga.

[Anonymous No.3366663]

Why do /v/ retards need to start everything as a bait thread? This is a slow board, you don't need fast replies.

[Anonymous No.3366874]

There's more time to react than you think OP. Actually take your time and you'll see most all of the situations have obvious solutions.

Why didn't you just run around without a fuck to give the first time you played though? It's one of the most beautifully detailed and action packed series of all time, just have fun and don't count your continues until you start trying to 1CC them.

[Anonymous No.3366893]

>>3366635
>AWOOOOOOO
>AWOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.3366896]

>>3362862
im pretty sure the controls are messed up on the PSN version

[Anonymous No.3367894]

>>3363157
the term "quarter-muncher" especially when applied to Japanese games (which are almost all designed for 1cc's) automatically means you're a baby to me if you use it desu

[Anonymous No.3367903]

>>3363160
oh shit i never thought of getting turned into a zombie for that boss, smart.

[Anonymous No.3367906]

>>3367903
Don't try it on any difficulty above level-4 though. Shit's impossible.

[Anonymous No.3368046]

GUYS HOLY SHIT I'M DOING IT

I'M DOING IIIIIIIT

[Anonymous No.3368091]

[Anonymous No.3368096]

Dude just mash that motherfucking shoot button and kill everything on the screen, stop bitching

Not dying comes later

[Anonymous No.3368110]

>>3368091
Bitch.

[Anonymous No.3368118]

Why is everyone getting so shitty because he doesn't like the game? It's like you're taking it personally.

Besides, it sounds like a legit criticism to me. Aren't good games meant to be reacted to, rather than memorised as a sequence of button presses?

Anyway, arcade games are almost always shit anyway because - as noted - they're designed to make you pump coins in.

If Mario 64 was an arcade game then it would be bollocks.

[Anonymous No.3368151]

>>3368118
Because both you and the OP are whining that a difficult game is unfair and poorly designed based on your laziness and lack of determination. Good games are meant to be "reacted" to? What, watched? Games are meant to be played. It's one thing not to like difficult arcade games, but it's extremely bitchy and obnoxious to imply that they're designed wrong because you can't just coast through them with no effort.

This is probably bait, but this is the one thing that really, really irritates me about "modern gamer culture" If you think tough games are "poorly designed quarter munchers", then stop bitching and leave them to the people who play games rather than complain about them.

[Anonymous No.3368178]

>>3368151
>Because both you and the OP are whining that a difficult game is unfair and poorly designed based on your laziness and lack of determination.
I've never even fucking played the game, I was just making a general observation.

>games are meant to be "reacted" to? What, watched? Games are meant to be played
Christ, you're fucking stupid. Yes, reacted to. As in you see something (a hazard, etc) and you can evade it without prior knowledge of its appearance. Get it? You see it, your brain computes your response. Rather than: you know it's coming in a sec, so you mentally prepare yourself to do a rehearsed maneouvre (that came from trial and error in the first place).

Or do you like Dragon's Lair or something?

>>3368151
>If you think tough games are "poorly designed quarter munchers", then stop bitching and leave them to the people who play games rather than complain about them.
Or we could discuss them on some sort of discussion board for videogames of that era. Where could I find one please? I thought this was one but apparently I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.3368231]

It does kinda bug me that "gitting gud" at this series is literally just rote memorisation, you play it over and over 'til you know what patterns are coming and when; but I love 'em anyways.

I can let it slide because each game is so short, they're like half an hour long tops. So it's not like memorising them is some sort of maximum autist neckbeard challenge, it's just the sort of thing you pick up to play when you have a bit of time to kill, and gradually you get better and better, and it's more rewarding each time.

If they were longer and more time consuming then I'd consider it a much more valid criticism. The strength of the artwork, music, and just having such a refined, pure game feel all far outweigh the "quarter muncher" difficulty curve.

[Anonymous No.3368248]

>>3363189
MS doen't require much memorization. Git Gud Angry Fruit Ninja.

[Anonymous No.3368273]

everyone just calm the fuck down

[Anonymous No.3368278]

Metal Slug is so perfect it can be a great casual game as well. I remember my first co-op clear on the ps2 port I used about 20 continues. Super scrubby but I still felt accomplished at the end.

[Anonymous No.3368282]

>>3368178
>Christ, you're fucking stupid. Yes, reacted to. As in you see something (a hazard, etc) and you can evade it without prior knowledge of its appearance. Get it? You see it, your brain computes your response. Rather than: you know it's coming in a sec, so you mentally prepare yourself to do a rehearsed maneouvre (that came from trial and error in the first place).

You should literally never play anything made by FROM Software.

>GAMES ARE TOO HARD FOR ME THAT MEANS THEY ARE BAD. I DIED BECAUSE SOMETHING UNEXPECTED HAPPENED AND THE GAME DIDN'T HOLD MY HAND.

Seriously half the games on /vr/ are known for varying degrees of borderline unfair difficulty that is literally a massive part of the allure of retro games. If you don't like games demanding that the player actually improve their own skillset to find success in the game.

I suck at fighting games. I am honestly god fucking awful at them. It's not because they are too hard and they should be easier it's because I have never tried to improve at them as I don't care for fighting games.

I don't think they should be changed to cater to me at all because I am not a fan of what they inherently are.

You and OP don't like really hard games. That's fine. Go play something else.

[Anonymous No.3368309]

>>3366635
You can cheese it hoarding weapons. You can reach him with tons of Laser or Shotgun Ammo depending on the route (bombs are useless so you can use them to conserve ammo).

>>3366874
Pretty much this. In 1-5 the edges of the screen are safe spaces (lel).

>>3367906
You can let one breath in level 8 then finish the rest with regular bombs.

>>3368178
>As in you see something (a hazard, etc) and you can evade it without prior knowledge of its appearance.
Most of the enemies have slow ass projectiles, you can wing it most of the time. Also many aren't too durable so you really have to go out of your way to see some attacks (ie, letting weak enemy crowd up, getting too close to the man eating plants that will theatrically jolt back before trying to bite you or touching the slow, shootable sprout that lazily floats around after they die). Most machines are set by default levels 4-6 that are pretty manageable (slower, less durable enemies, slower projectiles, smaller enemy attack hitboxes...). There are a few deliberate traps set up, but those are more amusing than aggravating the first time you trigger them.

And the funny thing is that it kind of discourages credit feeding since you're left depowered with the default pistol if you get killed and the free machinegun that you get after continuing is pretty weak compared to pretty much every other weapon and vehicle in game. Also there's no difficulty scaling so you're aren't punished for doing OK like those shmups where you have to power down or tactically dying to ease off the difficulty.

[Anonymous No.3368336]

>>3362862
>2862▶>>3363005 >>3363543 >>3363832 >>3365897 >>3365924 >>3366614 >>3366625 >>3366896
sounds like a retarded person.

[Anonymous No.3368341]

>>3368336
It's true though the controls are laggy in the PSN version.

[Anonymous No.3368349]

>>3362862
SO THIS IS THE POWER OF NEO /V/?

[Anonymous No.3369292]

>>3368231
>>3368178
>>3368118
There's an entire genre devoted to memorizing and replicating patterns called "rhythm games." It certainly seems to be something humans enjoy.

[Anonymous No.3369337]

>>3363189
>I prefer wasting tons of hours playing multiple easy games than playing a hard but satisfactory game

[Anonymous No.3370050]

>>3368110
So close ;_;

[Anonymous No.3370059]

>>3362862
Well I guess those recommendations were badly phrased. It's GOAT if you're actually good at videogames or are capable of getting good.

[Anonymous No.3370094]

>>3362862
Metal Slug 1 and 2 were early and had a lot of slowdown which affected the controls.

Try 3 and X, they have smoother controls.
2 has extreme slowdown and is merely a curiosity since X is an optimized version of 2, so you can skip that one.

Metal Slug 1 has the most "militaristic" theme and IMO the best level design by far. The sequels start adding a lot of weird shit. MS3 is more like a monster movie romp than a fight against a rogue militia.

[Anonymous No.3372019]

>be turbocasual
>go to /vr/ to complain about MS
>??????
>git gud