SaGa

[Anonymous No.3244163]

To celebrate the western release of Romancing SaGa 2, let's have a fun thread for the SaGa franchise! All retro entries in the series are welcome.

If you don't like the fact that the game is only available on phones, I understand completely, but please don't ruin this for us.

Please report and ignore mobile whiners. Don't try to tell them off, because they won't be hearing it. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.3244176]

>>3244163
>Phone only
FUCKING SHIT

just kidding
probably going to start the ws remake of 1
then maybe the ds games

[Anonymous No.3244182]

>>3244176

Good stuff anon. If SaGa 1 is your first experience with the series, keep in mind that it's still pretty unlike the other games. Still great, though a little primitive. The DS remakes are absolutely fantastic, though.

[Anonymous No.3244192]

>>3244182
I got a good ways into SaGa frontier years ago and played a good chunk of the DS version of 2. I also unknowingly played some of FFL3 when I was like six, but I don't have memories of that.

I recently came across copies of Frontier 1 & 2 for $3 each at a garage sale, so I figured I should play through some of the other games to get a better idea.

I also have the RS1 translation on my SNES flashcart, but I haven't started it and was told I should just play the PS2 version anyway.

[Anonymous No.3244198]

Oh sweet, the English version is listed as compatible on my toaster phone which means they just region locked the JP version FOR NO REASON.

Now to wait for an APK because I'm a poorfag

[Anonymous No.3244201]

>>3244198
>Now to wait for an APK because I'm a poorfag
me too

i get paid tomorrow, though, so i'll probably grab it then

[Anonymous No.3244208]

WE MADE IT

[Anonymous No.3244212]

>>3244208
ok? we got controller support?

[Anonymous No.3244227]

>>3244208
Thanks for that giant volume panel, it really makes the screenshot

[Anonymous No.3244230]

>>3244212
I heard no, but I don't have a pad to test.

>>3244227
I feel it adds a touch of artistic flair to the title screen.

[Anonymous No.3244328]

Anyone has a link to the apk? I kinda never pirated an android game before, but I am kinda evicted and can't afford any game until things get better. I'll definitely buy it by then, but it'd be nice to have something to play during the hard times.

[Anonymous No.3244364]

Which SaGa games were remade for the DS?

[Anonymous No.3244376]

>>3244364
FFL2 and 3 aka the gameboy 2 & 3
Note that 3 is much different than the original 3

[Anonymous No.3244548]

>>3244328
>Anyone has a link to the apk?
At least give someone the time to upload it.

Friendly reminder to not unequip the Soul Steal mikiri until you've beaten Kujinshi, unless you like restarting your games.

And holy shit, the extra dragon bosses in the dungeons of memories are TOUGH, I got wiped out three times already by the fire one and I'm fairly positive I can beat the Seven Heroes with my current setup.

[Anonymous No.3244572]

I've already caught a handful of spelling/formatting/grammar errors in the text but fuck if it's gonna stop me from enjoying this game.

Still, any idea of SE will patch this at all?

[Anonymous No.3244583]

>>3244572
>Still, any idea of SE will patch this at all?
The option to update is there and people already sent complaints, at least in Japan, so it's possible they'll make some patch or update, the JP game's version is still listed as 1.0, don't know about the localized port.

[Anonymous No.3244612]

>>3244328
Uh, no need for the sob story dude.

I'm sure that if anyone of us finds it, there'll be a link up, but unfortunately I don't think apk files get dumped that fast from my experience as someone who does a lot of mobile gaming.

[Anonymous No.3244672]

Uh, I just remembered.

Therese is one of the archers who can spark Barrage Shot, she can do that kinda easily in the first chapter already if you have Random Arrow, you can grind the Goblin Cave in Leon's generation or the monster cave in South Varenne during Gerald's generation.

Barrage Shot is the best Bow waza and possibly the best All Target together with 残像剣(Afterimage Sword) and 月影(Moonshade), Therese is the first character in the game that can spark that, keep in mind though that the BR in RomaSaGa 2 keeps going up every time you enter a battle, regardless of whether you win or run away, so be careful.

[Anonymous No.3244726]

The extra content looks kind of fun.

>fucking Victor out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.3244747]

>>3244726
I seem to have missed out Victor's event or I still have to trigger it, I got into his room but there's only one of the ministers that tells me something weird happened in the room and tells me about Victor's past, I suppose it's only for the Last Emperor and not the Empress, but then again, I only just beat Kujinshi in the Sealed Cave, so maybe he'll appear further in.
I could read a guide but I don't really wanna ruin the fun.

>Onmyoji is called Diviner
>Ninja remains Ninja

Welp, I'm already reconsidering whether the localization is as good as I thought.

That said, the Maze of Memories is kinda meh and it really breaks the balance of the original game, you get quite a lot of loot and it seems to restore the treasure chest each generations albeit with different loot tables, the bosses are tough as balls though so that's a fun challenge and it's made so each floor has fixed, progressing BR enemy batches, so you can't quite powerlevel as there's steep BR scaling each two floors if I got that right, still have to find out the Dread Queen but I haven't triggered the Real Queen quest yet so I might have some more work to do.

[Anonymous No.3244752]

>>3244747
>Onmyoji is called Diviner
>Ninja remains Ninja
>Welp, I'm already reconsidering whether the localization is as good as I thought.
Ninja (and Samurai but eh) are words that even ultranormies know - Onmyoji is not.

Leaving one and translating the other seems to be common practice.

[Anonymous No.3244754]

>>3244752
>Leaving one and translating the other seems to be common practice.

Really? That's still bad though, no matter whether it's common practice or not.

Whatever, I hope for you they will at least translate the names right, since all the generics are part of a huge pool of references for those of you who don't know.

[Anonymous No.3244838]

>>3244754
I might be wrong - I remember Final Fantasy Tactics where Onmyoji becomes Oracle/Mystic depending on what version you are playing, Ninja... is Ninja.

I thought that Fire Emblem Fates was an example but as it turns out Diviner is the base class and Onmyoji is the promotion which is... kind of silly because they "translated" one Japanese job and not the other. And Ninjas are still Ninjas

[Anonymous No.3244870]

Where should i start with SaGa?
I have a DS and a SFC so i guess i can play SaGa 1&2 and RomaSaGa 1&3 in english.

[Anonymous No.3244886]

>>3244870
If you wanna get into the groove quickly, either SaGa Frontier or Romancing SaGa 3 are great for newcomers, otherwise, release order, especially since today all of the series's entries are finally available in english, albeit with a quite a few up and downs.

The DS remakes are great, but keep in mind that they add quite a lot of things to the original systems, and SaGa 3 DS is actually a SaGa game whereas the original GB was just a FF game posing as SaGa.

[Anonymous No.3244889]

Did anybody try it on Bluestacks?

[Anonymous No.3244892]

>>3244889
How can anybody do that if there's no apk out there to try?

[Anonymous No.3244893]

>>3244886
Thanks. I guess i should start with RomaSaGa 3.
I've heard the original RSG1 it's not really good to start with.

[Anonymous No.3244896]

>>3244893
>I've heard the original RSG1 it's not really good to start with.
Well, for its time it was surely an ambitious game and quite interesting in what it tried to do, but nowadays it's really clunky and obsolete for the series' standard, and it's rendered irrelevant by its outstanding remake.

It's a game that you either play by going through the series through release order or because you're curious to see what the PS2 remake worked on, but it's a bit hard to get into it now.

[Anonymous No.3244897]

>>3244892
There seems to be an apk:
apkfox.com/romancing-saga-2-v1-00-mod-money-android-apk-download/

I can't test it at the moment though.

[Anonymous No.3244903]

>>3244897
Oh well, that sure was fast.

You're going to be this thread's hero Anon.

[Anonymous No.3244908]

>>3244903
>You're going to be this thread's hero Anon
Or not! I can't guarantee it's the real deal...

[Anonymous No.3244908,1]

>>3244897
You need the obb file.

[Anonymous No.3244914]

>>3244908
True that.

[Anonymous No.3244915]

>>3244897
Either he forgot the obb or I'm dumb because you can't play it without those files

[Anonymous No.3244918]

>>3244893
the PS2 remake is my favourite SaGa game so far, still haven't played them all though

[Anonymous No.3244926]

>>3244915
Getting a endless "Downloading..." screen here.
Yeah, obb is needed.

[Anonymous No.3244932]

>tfw never got into SaGa because I'm always afraid of fucking myself somehow

Missing shit because I overleveled is too much for me.

[Anonymous No.3244938]

>>3244932
Well, you only miss shit in Minstrel Song if you overlevel, in other games the worst that you'll get is making the game bullshit hard and borderline unwinnable.

Unlimited also makes it fairly hard to overlevel unless you have a Tetraforce to exploit.

[Anonymous No.3244938,1]

All the apk sites are just copying from this site. This is the original source WITH the obb files. Enjoy poorfags.

http://android-zone.ws/topic/83313-romancing-saga-2-v100-mod-money/

[Anonymous No.3245030]

>>3244176

>>3244163
it is shit. and google/NSA .
And overpriced.
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.3245049]

>>3244163
>Please report and ignore mobile whiners. Don't try to tell them off, because they won't be hearing it. Thank you!
you had one chance to shut the fuck up about your fat wife ugly wife and her nauseating plastic surgery

listen m8 just because you love shoveling this shit down your throat doesn't mean it's not shit. go back and play the original.

[Anonymous No.3245053]

>>3244163
Not retro.

[Anonymous No.3245084]

>>3244897
What is mod money?

[Anonymous No.3245085]

>>3245049
>go back and play the original.
That's the problem though.

[Anonymous No.3245089]

>>3245084
Unlimited money because they for some ungodly reason people can't just release a clean, untouched apk. For once it looks like the unaltered apk is actually there as well though.

[Anonymous No.3245145]

what is it downloading?
nothing?
shit, at this rate, ill just spend the 17.99 on it.

[Anonymous No.3245146]

>>3245053
Ports are kosher, fucking spastic.

[Anonymous No.3245167]

>>3245145
It's supposed to be downloading the OBB file from some server somewhere but it can't because it's not a legit installation of the game.

[Anonymous No.3245186]

>>3245167
so no go around for it?

[Anonymous No.3245187]

http://www.androidmobilezone.com/download/s/romancing-saga-2-mod-apk-data-100-unlimited-money

[Anonymous No.3245246]

Beginner question here, is there a way to restore characters' LP in RS2? In Minstrel Song you just go to an inn to do it, but nothing seems to do the trick here. I'm still at the beginning of the game, just a little after Gerard succeeds the throne.

[Anonymous No.3245286]

>Mod money

Oh come on, who's the sucker that needs unlimited money, the remaster makes it even easier to get enough money for fuck's sake.
Are people really this fucking casual nowadays?
>>3245246
>is there a way to restore characters' LP in RS2

You need a Life Potion.

There are three ways to get one.

Receive it as a rare drop from Red Slimes, which show up at later BR.

Pay the Witch of South Rongit 10K Crowns for one potion, however, she runs out of them after a while, and if she does before you get the Fishman Potion you lock yourself out of one quest so don't be greedy.

Each generation shift you get a few potions in your treasury.

There's an additional way of getting a Life Potion in this remaster, finding one in a tresure chest in the Maze of Memories.

Each Life Potion restores a grand total of 1 LP, so have fun with that.

[Anonymous No.3245286,1]

It doesn't work with the OBB either. Looks like there's some kind of online DRM, because it says "Authentication failed"

[Anonymous No.3245306]

>>3245286

LP is that limited? Holy shit. I guess I wasn't taking this game seriously enough, haha. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.3245309]

I got it from here but I have no idea how legit it is since I'm still waiting for the obb to DL.

http://angsaweb.com/download-romancing-saga-2-v1-00-mod-money/

Don't click the links, copy and past them. Clicking them just redirects to ad sites.

[Anonymous No.3245309,1]

As I said it doesn't work. It requires online activation - guess we're fucked.

[Anonymous No.3245360]

>>3245306
>LP is that limited?

Yeah, have fun with spellcasters having 6 or less LPs max and the defense capabilities of wet paper on a rainy day.

>I guess I wasn't taking this game seriously enough

Nobody does on a first playthrough, don't take it too hard. You'd better be careful though, keep in mind that whatever new stuff you spark can't be taught until after a generation shift, that means that if you spark stuff on your characters, let's say James for the sake of the argument, and he dies, you have to RESPARK whatever you did spark, the teachers in the castle won't have the new waza until after a generation shift, meaning that each death can severely hinder your progress, coupled with the fact that the Battle Rank keeps going up with each encounter you'd better not have characters dying too much or your game's progression gonna get pretty uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.3245360,1]

>>3245309,1
You're just not using the right apk. All of Square Enix games need verification once and then you can play offline forever.

[Anonymous No.3245371]

Are the GB games a good?

[Anonymous No.3245374]

>>3245371
>a good
Pardon my accidental weeb.

[Anonymous No.3245390]

I feel like I don't know what the fuck am I doing. I started RS3 yesterday again (I tried to play it in 2013 but got stuck in what appeared to be an unwinnable fight against... rats?), picked Ellen as the main character, and I see that everyone is learning skills in battle, but for some reason the game lets me equip them on any character? Do they work on everyone, regardless of the equipment? I also feel like I chose a bad character or something; I mean, she's doing some really good damage, but for some reason I feel that it's a trap character that is really damn good at the beginning and then in the mid-late game it becomes dead weight.

[Anonymous No.3245409]

>>3245309
Seems like it has some kind of copy protection because it would check my internet and then complain my credentials weren't valid. Guess we'll have to wait for a cracked APK.

[Anonymous No.3245410]

>>3245371

They're interesting. SaGa1 and 2 are definitely among the best JRPGs the GB has to offer. 1 has a WSC remake and 2&3 have DS remakes, though, so it's fine to just play those versions because they're better in pretty much every way.

[Anonymous No.3245423]

As a newcomer to Square games (i only played and finished Super Mario RPG) i would like to get into this series.

Which of the 3 SaGa games is the best one and recommended for people who want to try the series out?

[Anonymous No.3245430]

>>3245423
>Which of the 3 SaGa games
Man, there's loads of games more than that.

Either go in order starting from the original GB games, or start at SaGa Frontier and play some of the newer games.

[Anonymous No.3245438]

>>3245371
They're among the best the GB has to offer, except 3, forget 3, play the DS remake instead.
>>3245390
>but got stuck in what appeared to be an unwinnable fight against... rats?
Algernon strikes again!
>but for some reason the game lets me equip them on any character?
RomaSaGa 3 lets character "master" waza, each character has different chances of learning what they spark, once they've learned something you can equip the mastered waza on anyone, obviously like all games certain waza are embedded and locked to weapons, like Spider Net, Mouline Rouge or Dancing Sword, but once you spark them everyone can use them.
>but for some reason I feel that it's a trap character that is really damn good at the beginning and then in the mid-late game it becomes dead weight.
Ellen can be made into a solid character given the right choices of weapon and class, but as a MC she's mid tier at best, she's basically a less powerful Nora with more versatilty since you can kind of customize her in the beginning, she's a great Axe and Martial Arts user though, don't underestimate her.

[Anonymous No.3245441]

what do i do with this obb file?

[Anonymous No.3245445]

>>3245441
copy it to your data folder but the android version has an online check when you start the game to verify you own it so it craps out

[Anonymous No.3245452]

>>3245445
fuck

well, guess im buying it then

[Anonymous No.3245453]

>>3245445
ah, so that's why I keep getting the authentication failed message

[Anonymous No.3245463]

>people playing RomaSaga2 already
>zero screenshots

Come on, bros. I'm in the fence here.

[Anonymous No.3245464]

>>3245452
>>3245453
yeah, if you disable your internet or data, it just loops forever at that screen.

it seems it only checks when you start it up, afterwards, it just plays without internet.

[Anonymous No.3245475]

>>3245464
>>3245453
>>3245445
>Phone home muh apps
It stinks. I'll wait for the SNES weeb -translated ROM. Google NSA can eat shit.

[Anonymous No.3245479]

>>3245463
It looks like ass and a half because it combines low-res assets with mismatched hires assets, but it's bug fixed and contains a bunch of other shit the original doesn't. It's also the only one in english.

This is a screenshot I stole from somebody else because I don't have it yet.

[Anonymous No.3245480]

>>3245475
or just wait for a cracked version since i'm sure somebody is already on it

[Anonymous No.3245485]

>>3245475
>I'll wait for the SNES weeb -translated ROM

yeah good luck with that

[Anonymous No.3245487]

>>3245463
There ya go bub, fresh off the presses and spoilered for extra lewd.
>>3245475
>I'll wait for the SNES weeb -translated ROM
>Gideon

Best of luck anon, you'll need it.

[Anonymous No.3245497]

>>3245445
Sounds like a fun challenge. I'll disassemble the game and try to remove the check myself, if it works, then I'll upload the cracked version.

[Anonymous No.3245501]

>>3245487
>Final Emp already

Fast.

By the way, I heard the enemies have new animations, that true?

[Anonymous No.3245507]

>>3245480
Doesn't Lucky Patcher work with the game?

[Anonymous No.3245516]

Anyone tried using the first apk posted here (the one with 'crk' in the filename) with the a random obb from the other links?

[Anonymous No.3245519]

Everyone's complaining about how ass the game looks, but I think it looks okay on my phone. The screenshots are all blown up and makes it look a little worse than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.3245526]

>>3245501
Oh, I'm playing on the JP Vita version that I got on launch, I'm not that goddamn fast.
>I heard the enemies have new animations, that true?
Some of them, yeah.
All of the Seven Heroes are animated, the Queen/Real Queen is animated, the Sea Lord is animated, all of the Giants and a few other enemies like Pyro Hydra, Ogre Battler and Deep Ones.
Keep in mind that it's Flash animation, so they basically separated the original sprites' body parts and make them move around, it's not that good looking, but hey, some of them are pretty cute, Real Queen dripping sticky white goo and waving her ass was unexpectedly arousing.

Also, THE MAN, THE MADMAN, THE LEGEND HIMSELF.
>>3245519
>The screenshots are all blown up and makes it look a little worse than it actually is.
Yeah, screenshots look pretty bad, the game looks much better on a proper screen.

[Anonymous No.3245527]

>>3245390
Characters specialize in the stats and the sparkable (learnable through that character) skills. Ellen is a great character for martial arts (no weapon) and axes.
You can equip any mastered skill and skill evasion on any character. however the damage or effect is dependent on your stats and on the weapon lvl. To master it you have to use it quite often.
Equipment can be rather confusing. Weapons, potions and shields will influence the availabe options in battle. You can only use skills for weapons that are equipped.
Notice: Shields work only with one-handed weapons like epees, short swords (cause the big ones are two-handed). They either add extra defence or negate the damage entirely at a certain probability. The latter shields block certain kind of damage like piercing. I'm not entirely sure if that is only relevant on the weapon used in that turn or on the currently used equipment. I'm sure that using magic deactivates the use of shields for this turn.
You know you will be in a water area? equip accessories that negate/absorb water damage. It's much more imported than raw defense.
Also about magic: gaining enough magic level (20 i think) will add additional effects to the basic spells.
A simple recover strategy is to have the self healing skill "focus" equipped, since it's a martial arts skill it no big effort. Also shadow servant is OP.

[Anonymous No.3245539]

>>3245526
any neat callouts to other saga games in the new content like the ff games had?

[Anonymous No.3245545]

>>3245526
>Hannibal

MA MAN!

[Anonymous No.3245549]

>mobile

into the trash

[Anonymous No.3245551]

>>3245527
its the things i loved in this series, like being able to equip multiple weapons and have more options in battle.

[Anonymous No.3245554]

>>3245539
Nothing so far, all of the extra content is centered on the game itself, no cameos, no references, nothing at all, it's all focused on expanding the setting and lore.
>>3245545
Mah boi Hannibal got right in for the last push, he's already dishing mad damage like always.

[Anonymous No.3245574]

>>3245519
Nah, mixmatches sprites always look terrible. My phone is only like 4" and I can still see the artifacts.

This is just lazy graphically, much like the DQ1-3 phone versions.

[Anonymous No.3245579]

The low-res sprites on HD backgrounds clash a little, but at least is better than the crap they pulled with FF5/6.
It kind of reminds me of the PS1 rpg era. Thousand Arms in particular.

[Anonymous No.3245593]

>>3245574

Well, yeah, it's not GREAT visually, but it's still alright. Maybe I'm just being delusional because I'm happy to finally have access to this game. And as >>3245579 said, at least it's not like that shit.

[Anonymous No.3245607]

I think it's a bit ugly but not ugly enough to be "trash". It tries to be somewhat classy and tasteful at least, but the sprites kind of clash with the new assets. I think it's far from ideal but something you get used to.

Better than waiting for Gideon to actually do something other than retweeting pointless SJW garbage from Brianna Wu.

[Anonymous No.3245640]

>>3245607
>It tries to be somewhat classy and tasteful at least, but the sprites kind of clash with the new assets.
After a while you get used to it.

But frankly it's a catch 22.

If they ported the game as it was people would have complained about it being a lazy port with some modded extra stuff.

If they remade everything people would have said that the original graphics were better and muh RPG Maker graphics meme.

I don't give a single fuck, the game is good, I loved the original character sprites and frankly, the original backgrounds were pretty subpar even for their times, so while the new backgrounds do clash, they're still miles better than the originals and they're still pretty accurate redesigns that still keep the atmosphere of the original setting.
I honestly like some of them more than the original ones, the flying Hakuro castle is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.3245645]

>>3245640
Oh don't worry, I agree, I even said myself it's something you get used to. I mean it's a *bit* ugly but it's not a dealbreaker, seen worse.

Playing this game in English after decades is worth it, IMO.

[Anonymous No.3245649]

>>3245593
I'm just autistic about sprite graphics in general. The style looks very inconsistent. The 2D on 3D world look never bothered me, but the fact that it's obviously two different sprite resolutions will never be something I don't notice.

I was this way about the Pier Solar HD version, too. It's probably something that only bothers me, but it never will not.

That said, I'm happy to have the game even if the style is lazy, too, so don't get me wrong.

[Anonymous No.3245668]

I'm curious. How are people playing this? On their phone or otherwise? I tried running it on Linux but apparently it can't run on x86 processors.

[Anonymous No.3245674]

>>3245668
Phone or bluestacks, mostly.

IIRC, Chrome/Chromium now has android app compatibility, too. I'm sure there's some other android emulator/vm set up on linux.

[Anonymous No.3245676]

>>3245649
>'m happy to have the game even if the style is lazy, too
If those Artepiazza guys actually bothered making some feasible image compression the game would look much better, I have the feeling they just made some shitty PNG or even worse, bitmap compression and called it a day.

[Anonymous No.3245717]

>>3245668

I am, but I've barely had time to sink my teeth into it between work and my friends constantly dragging me off to play overwatch.

[Anonymous No.3245739]

Is it cracked yet?

[Anonymous No.3245742]

>>3245475
Lmao. The NSA probably has root access to 90% of phones already. What the fuck do they need Romancing Saga 2 for?

[Anonymous No.3245751]

>>3245475
yeah... that won't be for years and years thanks to the cuck that worked on it crying like a little bitch cause square got their fingers up her dress before he could

[Anonymous No.3245763]

>>3245751
what

[Anonymous No.3245781]

>>3245751
If you have a translation scene drama story to share, please do. I love those.

[Anonymous No.3245785]

>>3245763
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,20026.40.html

[Anonymous No.3245795]

>>3245785
Doesn't really seem like he's crying like a little bitch. More like he just feels he wasted his time and is moving onto other things.

You really overstated the drama.

[Anonymous No.3245836]

>>3245410
>>3245438
>DS

No thanks. Maybe if I had a tablet to emulate them on, but managing two screens on a non-touchscreen monitor is just to cumbersome. Looks like I'll be emulating the originals via MasterBoy on my PSP.

[Anonymous No.3245842]

>>3245836

Considering they're jrpgs, there's not really any touch screen fuckery to put up with. I definitely recommend trying them out regardless.

[Anonymous No.3245851]

>>3245842
I will eventually - probably when I get an Nvidia Shield Tablet.

I prefer emulating handhelds on something portable.

[Anonymous No.3245859]

>>3245851
You could also probably nab a cheap DS and flashcart for like $50 or something.

[Anonymous No.3245924]

>>3245859
I'll consider it. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3246002]

i fucking cried watching that opening movie
fuck man, 23 years
i've wanted this game in english for so damn long officially and now its here

fucking beautiful

[Anonymous No.3246017]

>>3246002
You remind me of that old lady who was waiting for Dragon Quest VI to come over to the states.

I think she died before it came out, though ;_;

[Anonymous No.3246027]

>>3246017
>I think she died before it came out, though ;_;
That's okay, anon.
We're all dead, too, ha ha.

[Anonymous No.3246031]

>>3246017
shit man
i still remember wondering where DW 5 and 6 were in the snes days. i think i remember writing NP about it too. then DW 7 hit on PS1 and i was like "holy shit, its just like with FF7!" because i thought we missed FF 4-6

[Anonymous No.3246174]

>>3245306
This is a generational game though so your party is always going to be replaced with a fresh batch once in a while.

Unless it's your last generation, in which case you better make sure you don't run out of them.

[Anonymous No.3246184]

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.3246206]

>>3246184
That on emulator? Did you manage to run one of the apks people posted around? Thought it needed hacking.

[Anonymous No.3246215]

>>3246206

Naw, that's a screenshot posted from my phone, cause I'm stuck at work.

[Anonymous No.3246219]

>>3246215
Oh, thought the phone screenshots omitted the menu/home/whatever buttons. Derp.

[Anonymous No.3246227]

>>3246219
>Derp

[Anonymous No.3246246]

>>3246227
I-I d-don't care what you say stop language policing me, you shitlord ;(

[Anonymous No.3246249]

>>3246227
LE DERPDY DOO xD

[Anonymous No.3246293]

>>3246246
>>3246249
>Yanks

[Anonymous No.3246393]

Is that cracked apk happening?

[Anonymous No.3246454]

Is Candy a joke character in RS3, or is she like Villagers in Fire Emblem (really shitty characters at first that end up being powerful)? I basically recruited her by accident just because.

[Anonymous No.3246513]

>>3246454
She's usable but I wouldn't bring her to end-game unless you really like lolis or something.

Candy isn't her real name BTW, she has a list of them that she cycles through but her real name is Tatayna (sp?).

She's supposed to have a sidequest that was cut content - she's the daughter of some big shot trading firm family (or something) and she ran away from home, which is why she always leaves the party if you enter her home country. You were supposed to be able to reconcile her with her family and maybe that would have given her stat boosts or something, but it's not in the actual game so.

[Anonymous No.3246530]

>>3246184
It means he doesn't have anything for you.... yet

He ties into a later quest.

[Anonymous No.3246540]

>goblin cave
>got all the way to the two treasures at the bottom by fighting through the skull bosses
>have to fight them again to get back out

This game sure is harsh.

[Anonymous No.3246573]

>Kzinssie goes in for the soul steal against Gerard
>he fucking dodges it and you beat the shit out of him

This game is so fucking cool, jesus.

[Anonymous No.3246605]

So how's the port/remake thing running for everyone? Anyone running it on an Android emulator? Does it have decent controller support?

I get paid in a few hours and I'm planning on running it on Nox with a controller.

[Anonymous No.3246613]

>>3246605

I'm running it on Android and it's working nicely. Haven't been using a controller, but I would kind of recommend it if it's available because the touch control can be admittedly kind of finnicky and ass.

[Anonymous No.3246668]

is there a way to make the game not look like complete shit

[Anonymous No.3246689]

>>3246668
stop playing on your tablet

[Anonymous No.3246707]

>>3246689
I just want the backgrounds and text boxes and stuff to fit with the sprites

is there a way I can mod it or something to make it look less terrible and amateurish

I feel like I'm playing some startup company's hentai game or something

[Anonymous No.3246717]

>>3246707
>startup company's hentai game
it's not called romancing saga for nothing, babe

[Anonymous No.3246803]

>>3246573
That's really one of the greatest moments in the game.

I love it when Kujinshi can't really process it for a few turns and still uses Soul Steal for nothing, and his boss theme is so fucking good.

Anyway, I met Victor, he almost got me there, don't fight him without the proper countermeasures or he'll push your shit in on the very first turn, and don't think you can win the fight the same way you can cheese Sekishusei, he'll adapt and try to push your shit in by spamming fusion magic.

When you beat him he'll thank you for the friendly spar and for making him remember what it's like to give it your all, and his soul finally finds peace ;_;.

He also gives you a ring, which I suppose it's translated into Interior Ring, which grants protection against ALL status effect, bretty gud accessory to have around for the endgame.
>>3246707
>I feel like I'm playing some startup company's hentai game or something

The original had almost the same exact boxes, but instead of being blueish they were kinda transparent and the text boxes were basically comic balloons like RomaSaGa 1 but with actually readable text instead of miniscule scribbles with fuckhuge kanji.

[Anonymous No.3246845]

>>3246803
>The original had almost the same exact boxes, but instead of being blueish they were kinda transparent and the text boxes were basically comic balloons like RomaSaGa 1 but with actually readable text instead of miniscule scribbles with fuckhuge kanji.
my problem is really with the way that all the elements aren't even designed to fit together, like they just assigned completely different people to do each thing with no knowledge of what fundamental style or color palette or resolution the others would be working with.

and in fact I would not be surprised if that's exactly what actually did happen.

[Anonymous No.3246882]

>>3246845
>like they just assigned completely different people to do each thing with no knowledge of what fundamental style or color palette or resolution the others would be working with.

I disagree, I think they did good.
Problem is they were probably payed in peanuts and bad sushi so they didn't put much effort, the only thing that clashes, especially compared to the originals are the icons for magic/weapon poficiencies and defense, which are admittedly garbage, all the rest is very similar in design to the original version.

The main menu is basically a HD version of the original, albeit with a brighter color, which I personally find very pleasant.

Battle menus are exactly the same, but blueish, without dithering and obviously less pixely.

Speech bubbles are pretty different but overall don't clash with the rest of the menus too much, those golden arrows are a bit lavish and over stylized but they make sense considering the main menu is a fucking marble slab.

The hand cursor is literally a HD version of the original.

Let me post a few comparison screens so you can see for yourself how much has changed.

[Anonymous No.3246884]

[Anonymous No.3246889]

[Anonymous No.3246891]

[Anonymous No.3246897]

Ehhh, I thought I'd have some relatively recent screenshots of the original version but these are very old ones with a terrible aspect ratio.

[Anonymous No.3246904]

>>3246882
>>3246884
>>3246889
>>3246891
>>3246897
it sort of infuriates me that you don't seem to see what the problems are

[Anonymous No.3246910]

>>3246904
but no, to reiterate, looking at the original screen, and the HD version, which one do you actually, literally think looks better as a single image, as a single thing to actually look at, not as component pieces even but as one picture which do you think looks better

not better as in some imaginary criteria of number of pixels or resolution or apparent level of detail or effort, but really, what do you personally prefer

if you like the original, then why, why did they change it at all even

if you like the HD version, what on earth is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.3246921]

Gonna play saga 2 for the DS soon, first game in the franhise for me. I heard that apparently grinding is bad in these games and that's easy to lock yourself out of content or in a bad end. Does that apply here or it's only for romancing SaGa?

[Anonymous No.3246923]

>>3246904
>>3246910
I think the problems are on your end buddy.

Nobody's forcing you to play the mobile version, sure, old sprites and new backgrounds clash, but most of your points don't stand for me, the menus are almost identical to the SFC version but with some added particulars, I said I agreed with you when it came to the character menus and new proficiency symbols, which are awful.

All the rest is basically a HD version of the original layout with brighter colours and no transparency.

If you still wanna tell me you don't like the clash between modern and old 2D art that's alright, I can see what you mean even though I don't personally care, but don't tell me that the new menus and text bubbles are shit when they're basically the same as the original ones, I played the games you know, more than you ever did, and I can say that they did a decent job.

>which one do you actually, literally think looks better as a single image

I like both.

Both have their pros and cons.

The originals have more consistence obviously, but the remakes aren't as bad as you make them look like and certain areas are much better looking than the original ones which were dreadfully plain.

So, if you're a purist like those CRT spergs, go play the SFC version, if you don't care that much about graphics like I do then play the mobile remaster and stop bitching, nobody cares but your kind of people, we're talking about the games here, not aesthetic moral highgrounds.
>>3246921
You can grind as much as you like, not like there's any need for it though, even if you grind stats like mad you'll still be beaten like a little bitch if you don't have the equipment and moveset to make up for it, the contrary is also true.
Only the games from the Romancing trilogy onwards punish you for grinding.

[Anonymous No.3246924]

>>3246921
It's an issue from Romancing SaGa onward but you can grind your balls off in SaGa 1-3

[Anonymous No.3246925]

>>3245479
At least it doesn't look as bad as FFVI. Honestly, that screenshot looks decent (although I don't understand why they need to make everything 3D).

[Anonymous No.3246928]

>>3246921
It's not the case for SaGa 2, don't worry. That game is not hard, either. You can safely play a team made up of one of each race, for instance, even though it's not the strongest possible team.

[Anonymous No.3246930]

>>3246923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImiMwghoWkw
>there are people for whom this was the first version of the game they played
>there are people who watched this lets play before ever playing the game
For reference, this was the exact point at which I considered this practice and all future renditions of this practice to be completely abhorrent and unacceptable. It's an insult to the original work and what it stands for. There's no fucking appreciation, this is just someone's lazy, shitty job, that they don't even fucking want.

[Anonymous No.3246939]

>>3246930
Look mate, I'll be awfully honest, I don't give two shits about that kind of complaint.

Because it's the kind of complaint only jaded and out of touch people make, the moment the game changes its graphics the original feeling is lost, but if you just make a port of the original game after 20 or so years what are the chances people would buy it? Wouldn't that be lazy as well, that after 20 years they couldn't do something "better"?
Minstrel Song wasn't any different, people complained that there wasn't the same feeling as the original game, even though Minstrel Song looked pretty good fpr its time.

You're like one of those cranky old faggot gramps that bitch about their apples being tastier than today's apple, yeah, no shit they did (or did they really?), but we're living in a different time, standards are different and people need things to sell, make money and make a living out of it.

If you were expecting it to be remade like Minstrel Song, with the same kind of budget, time and dedication, you're simply delusional.
And let me tell you, almost no one gives a fucking shit about what people do with the remakes of the games they worked on in the past, Kawazu didn't give a single shit about FFII being changed from the GBA onwards, neither did the original team members, it's business and nothing more.

And now, stop posting the same trite shit that was posted in the last threads, you don't like how it looks? Fine, it's your own business, but here we talk about stuff we LIKE instead endlessly bitching about the obvious and having stupid bias.

[Anonymous No.3246943]

>>3246939
I would see your point if any HD remake was actually better. None of them are. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's clearly not happening.

Nobody complained about Minstrel Song.

You seem to be really angry about being told that the sky is blue anon. This game was made when the sky was still orange. It's not the time to be digging up the past and trying to cash in with a shoddy product. It's the time to live life and do something new and something special. This game is a waste of everyone's time, and you seem like a literal shill who probably translated this piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.3246950]

>>3246943
>Nobody complained about Minstrel Song.

I'm pretty sure quite a lot of people, even here, complained about MS, especially for its chibi models. Not to mention the character design changes. Not like you would know though since not only you didn't bother checking the archives, you don't even speak japanese.

>This game is a waste of everyone's time, and you seem like a literal shill who probably translated this piece of shit.

You poor sucker, I was the one who actually started and managed the SaGa threads here on /vr/, who do you think you're trying to troll? I've played Romancing SaGa 2 before you even knew it existed and if you actually had a bit of grey matter you'd be able to tell since I'm the one who actually argued about localizations all the time, just like I made a point in this very thread.

[Anonymous No.3246957]

>>3246950
>I was the one who actually started and managed the SaGa threads here on /vr/, who do you think you're trying to troll? I've played Romancing SaGa 2 before you even knew it existed and if you actually had a bit of grey matter you'd be able to tell since I'm the one who actually argued about localizations all the time
literally nobody in the entire world cares anon

[Anonymous No.3246960]

>>3246957
>Missing the point this hard

[Anonymous No.3246963]

>>3246950
>people, even here, complained
>you don't even speak japanese
>I was the one who
>checking the archives
>who do you think you're trying to troll
>I'm the one who actually argued

anon...

[Anonymous No.3246963,1]

Aside from the blabbering about graphics, which I don't really give a flying fuck about, is there a working cracked version anywhere?

[Anonymous No.3247106]

Holy shit the controller mappings are fucking whacky on the DS4. I just have it paired normally with no special apps or something, but the left stick is the dpad along with L3, R3, the touchpad (each one being a separate DPad input). The DPad itself is disabled, though.

I don't how it's this fucked given the Mana remake supported the controller with an alternate control scheme (first scheme was similar to the one in RS2, second was mapped fine). Hopefully alternate controller support will get patched in eventually.

[Anonymous No.3247112]

>>3247106
Actually, it seems like everyone, even people with the iOS version are having bad controller problems.

I guess it's just fucked outside of very specific controllers.

[Anonymous No.3247115]

>>3246930
You are giving too many fucks over something the creator probably doesn't give a fuck about.

[Anonymous No.3247131]

>>3247106
>The DPad itself is disabled, though.
Weird stuff, hope for you guys they patch it.
>>3247115
He just wants to stir up shit, his other posts are the definitive proof of that, hide and report.

[Anonymous No.3247228]

>tfw the WS SaGa on PSP
Feels good to emulate on a portable, and all the 3DS emulators I found had horrific screen tearing. Glad the PSP one works fine with this game.

[Anonymous No.3247359]

>all the interesting characters are dying

Fucking Romancing SaGa 2.

[Anonymous No.3247410]

>finish a dungeon
>Suddenly "142 years later"
What!

[Anonymous No.3247438]

Do the monster fights in the maze of memory raise your BR?

[Anonymous No.3247494]

>>3247410

Even 142 years later, she's still running around saying yeeeeep

[Anonymous No.3247531]

>>3246454
>>3246513
I made her a mage wielding an Epee just because I thought it'd have been funny to have a kid tagging along with Katrina, but she's a pretty subpar character. Look up her character stats, different names have different stats. I think Candy is more magic oriented.

Hopefully they finish that side quest in the mobile port.

[Anonymous No.3247630]

>>3247359
The game's time progression can last more than 1000 years, it's only normal.
Then again, some character die or survive depending on your choices, like Toma, Georg or the Salamander tribe.

It's kinda hard to say goodbye to Gerard though.

[Anonymous No.3247718]

Well, just beat the Seven Heroes and finished the game, still can't believe how even little bugfixes like the Wind Cutter fix can change so much balance in that battle and damn, Ninjas are stronk if you play aggressively.

Now, to wait for the patches for new game+...
I guess I'll restart a game anyway because I want to properly try out the Onmyouji class, and I kind of screwed up my progress anyway, didn't even see what happens if you max out the tree in the garden.

The ending always gets me though, no matter how many times I see it, it really is moving.

On a side note, the various rings available in the maze of memories are really interesting, they seem to give a 4+boost to single stats, which is pretty enormous, I don't know wheter you can get doubles, but if you do you can get some batshit insane potential like maxing out the tacticians' already obscene firepower, they're also pretty good to balance out weak starter classes and make them more relevant through the endgame, lots of experimenting can be done really.

[Anonymous No.3247805]

Does the mobile game have the original music, or is it arranged? If so, is there an option to use the SNES music?

[Anonymous No.3247818]

>>3247805
High Quality original music and sound effects.

[Anonymous No.3247920]

>>3245526
Speaking of Hannibal, can I use him again in a later gen if I cycle through the characters of his class?

[Anonymous No.3247946]

Any word on the cracked apk? I tried installing all the ones I found in bluestacks and keep getting that authentication error thing with all of them.

[Anonymous No.3248064]

>>3247946
What Android version are you running?
I was having problems on 6.0+, but it's working flawlessly on my older Moto G running Android 4.0.

[Anonymous No.3248130]

>>3247946
Is it really cracked? One I downloaded had crk in the name, but it still checked with google and said nope.

I just ended up buying it only to find out none of the android emulators run nicely on my computer (audio issues nonstop and problems detecting my controller).

Thankfully, it does work on my phone, but trying to use a controller with that is awkward. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.3248146]

>>3248064
No idea what version bluestacks uses, I tried it after not succeeding with genymotion on Linux. In Genymotion it just crashes even after installing the ARM wrapper and gapps with a valid login. Tried 6.0, 4.4.4 and 4.3 with no success. My actual phone is a Samsung Mini Pop Plus with gingerbread so it's impossible it'll run there. Can't afford a new one so my only bet is an emulator.

>>3248130
Oh nope, I was asking if someone managed to crack it, someone was saying about trying to crack it before in the thread. The apks in various sites don't validate.

[Anonymous No.3248246]

Any news on the apk, guys? Can't get it to work on my phone (credentials not validated or something like that). Does bluestacks need any of that?

[Anonymous No.3248325]

If it helps, I'm using this version:

http://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?t=1580803

[Anonymous No.3248328]

>>3248325
Seems like everyone is having that issue and a currect crack doesn't really exist yet.

Either hold out or buy it, man.

[Anonymous No.3248328,1]

Bluestacks can't validate the game. You need a cracked Google Play store to validate it which is only available on Android. Only thing to do is wait until someone cracks the actual game APK.

[Anonymous No.3248517]

>>3247718
What was the Wind Cutter bug?

[Anonymous No.3248531]

>>3248517
It did penis damage instead of wind damage, which healed most gay monsters instead of damaging them

[Anonymous No.3248539]

I'm fucking up, am I not? (Everything, from party to skills)

[Anonymous No.3248542]

>>3248539
Still having a blast though; it's a very fun game and the fact that it gives me so much liberty to explore the world as I please is just amazing. I'm slowly learning more about its mechanics as well.

[Anonymous No.3248653]

>>3248130
have you tried mume instead of bluestack?

[Anonymous No.3248673]

>>3248653
Tried MUme, Bluestacks, Nox, and genymoyion or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3248675]

And now my adventure begins.

[Anonymous No.3248684]

>>3248675

Enjoy, dude. I just recently got to the 2nd generation myself, having an absolute blast. I think saga is becoming my favorite franchise of jrpgs.

[Anonymous No.3248837]

>>3248673
Does the paid game run on Bluestacks? (issues you experienced notwithstanding).

[Anonymous No.3248852]

>>3248837
Oh, yeah. It ran on all of them. Just issues maintaining full speed and problems with the sound and random slowdowns. Adjusting the RAM and CPU didn't seem to help, and lowering the resolution only helped, but didn't solve the problem.

But, yeah, if you're planning on buying it for bluestacks or something, it'll work.

[Anonymous No.3248862]

>>3248852
Thanks.
I have sound sync issues with some games on Bluestacks, too.

[Anonymous No.3248872]

>>3248862
Good luck, anon. May your results be better than my own.

[Anonymous No.3248874]

https://twitter.com/SaGa25kawazu/status/736425328613040129

Now we shall move on to people bitching about how poor the VITA version will be.

[Anonymous No.3248994]

>>3248539
>Ellen as brawler
Yeah, you are going to be okay. Why did she have an axe if her talent is hand-to-hand?

[Anonymous No.3249016]

>>3248994
Ellen is great with both Axes and Hand to Hand when recruited with other party members.

In her own game she's probably the best foil user in the game if you set her up that way.

[Anonymous No.3249021]

>>3249016
>Ellen is great with both Axes and Hand to Hand
Really? I must be remembering wrong, it has been so long since I played RS3. In fact, your post made me remember you could pick a main character's talent.

[Anonymous No.3249082]

>>3248874

Hey, fucking based. That solves a few peoples' problems, I guess. I love Kawazu.

[Anonymous No.3249163]

>BUTT attack
>66 uses

[Anonymous No.3249223]

>>3249163

Just don't miss or you might get butthurt.

[Anonymous No.3249245]

>>3247920
Sure, the only case in which you can't use him "again" is if you've made him an emperor, characters which have been made emperors can't be chosen again for that role, although they're always available as generics.
That's the main trick in speedrunning to the last generation, just kill everyone and the game will eventually shift to the Last Emperor.
>>3248517
Wind Cutter had cutting properties, which meant that Sword Barrier, which was meant to block only normal attacks would block it even though it was a spell, now it doesn't work and you eat one additional attack form the Seven Heroes even if you have Sword Barrier on.
Trust me, it changes A LOT.
>>3248539
You're doing alright anon, most of your party members are great choices, keep on rolling.
>>3248874
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

[Anonymous No.3249252]

>>3248874
I don't care how poor it is. SaGa on the Vita is awesome. Thank you god king emperor mad lord Kawazu. Based as fuck, day one buy.

[Anonymous No.3249303]

>>3249021
I seem to have missed your post.

To answer your question, what you choose in the beginning as weapon of choice DOESN'T change the character type tables, it simply gives you permanent stat boosts to your MC's base stats and extra starting proficiency with that kind of weapon.

Character Type is what determines the characters' spark tables, they sometimes change when a MC is recruited as party member, Harid is type 01 as both MC and party member, however, Ellen goes from type 03(MC) to type 08(Party member), that means that as MC she's more geared towards Axes>Martial Arts while as party member she's more geared toward Martial Arts>Axes, iirc the actual difference between those two types is minimal though, and the mastering system lets you work around that anyway.

According to the game's data, a lot of secondary characters have that kind of type shift as well, even though the only method to get them as MC besides cheating is using gltiches, and I'm not even sure if that actually changes the type and doesn't simply override it with your MC type.
>>3249252
The Vita is really turning into the new SaGa machine.

Romacing SaGa 2 remaster, possibly Romancing SaGa 3 remaster, SaGa Frontier, SaGa Frontier 2 and Scarlet Grace, that's quite a collection.

>Inb4 Kawazu goes full madman and makes Squenix port Unlimited and Minstrel Song

[Anonymous No.3249416]

>>3249303
>what you choose in the beginning as weapon of choice DOESN'T change the character type tables
The last time I remembered, it was supposed to but you had to save/load the game before it would take effect due to a bug, which I guess could potentially be abused to get better stat distribution with your original tech spark type if you used save/load state through the entire game.

[Anonymous No.3249457]

>>3249303
>SaGa Frontier, SaGa Frontier 2
what
Are these coming to PSN or something?

Also, how was that one 3DS game made by SaGa people? I can't remember the name, but I know it had a frog dude it in.

[Anonymous No.3249459]

>>3249416
>it was supposed to but you had to save/load the game before it would take effect due to a bug
Yeah that's something I've heard as well a few years ago but I never bothered to check if that how it works, I'll check the JP wiki to see if there's some info on that.

[Anonymous No.3249469]

>>3249457
Legend Of Legacy. That's the name. I'm thinking about nabbing it and the PS2 Romancing SaGa off of Amazon.

[Anonymous No.3249476]

>>3249457
>Are these coming to PSN or something?

They're not on the US PSN?
I just checked on the JP one and they're there.

>>3249416
Ok, I've just read something on Kaerulabo regarding that bug and I stand corrected.

Basically, due to the bug you were talking about, the game actually changes whatever type you got through the creation screen to the type those characters have as a party member, so basically if you make a type 03 Ellen the game won't recognize Ellen as that type until after you save and load that gamefile and rest Ellen to a Type 08.

So as you said it's possible for instance to get the best STR bonuses by choosing to make Ellen a Hunter with Greatswords which would make her a type 02, spark whatever you can spark as a type 08 and then save and load the file so Ellen gets switched to type 02.

So, for those playing on emulators that would be pretty handy, guess they'll probably fix that in the incoming remaster, hope they don't fix the character swap bug though, that's fun to use.

JP Source is:

http://kaerulabo.web.fc2.com/rs3/data/chara_data_para2.html

We really need a ENG wiki database regarding all this stuff, I don't even know what to search in english for this.

[Anonymous No.3249480]

>>3249476
>They're not on the US PSN?
No, none of the SaGa games are on the US PSN. I don't even think they're in the EU PSN.

[Anonymous No.3249483]

>>3249480
>No, none of the SaGa games are on the US PSN. I don't even think they're in the EU PSN.

Damn, that sucks.

Well, we can only hope they put them on now that we're getting all this SaGa games on Vita.

[Anonymous No.3249510]

>>3248874
This shit made my day, goddamm.

If it sells well enough, Scarlet Grace in english might no longer be a dream.

[Anonymous No.3249585]

That's a good question man

[Anonymous No.3249591]

>>3249585
>you will lose track of time while in the tower
What did they MEAN by this???

[Anonymous No.3249705]

>Romancing SaGa 2
>no playable Minstrel/Poet

Aw, I always made sure to use him in 1/3/MS because of who he is.

[Anonymous No.3249712]

Is the mobile version of the first game only available for dumbphones?

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/mobile/sem/romasaga/

[Anonymous No.3249715]

>>3249705
Is he still THAT in 2 and 3? I never got that impression from him in 3.

[Anonymous No.3249734]

>wake up
>Romancing Saga 2 Vita coming to the west
>Dragon Quest VII, VIII, and Builders also coming soon

Good shit.

[Anonymous No.3249739]

>>3249715
They don't even take place in the same world, do they?

[Anonymous No.3249868]

>Dat ugly remake
Yeah, i'll wait for the snes translation

[Anonymous No.3249881]

>>3249868
Good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.3249883]

>>3249868
>muh gwafix! :-(

[Anonymous No.3249889]

>>3249881
>Thanks.
>>3249883
>Exactly.

[Anonymous No.3249892]

>>3249889
>Being a graphics whore over a 4th gen video game

Let's hope your CRT doesn't die before the translation is finished.

[Anonymous No.3249894]

>>3249868

I'd certainly like to play the SNES version for its aesthetic, but the simple and unhappy truth is that AGTP is slow as fuck and will probably never come through. The last time we heard about the project was nearly 2 years ago and it wasn't even in good shape. I'd recommend going ahead and learning moon honestly.

[Anonymous No.3249905]

>>3249892
I hope the same.
>>3249894
But since the game is being released on Android, there may be more hype to make the snes hacking. After all, there is no need for the translation anymore.

[Anonymous No.3249935]

>>3249883
>I feel threatened by the existence of higher standards

[Anonymous No.3249945]

>>3249935
>SNES version has less content
>Higher standards

Okay.

[Anonymous No.3249968]

>>3249905
>After all, there is no need for the translation anymore.

Did that ever happen before?
Someone (unofficially) transferring the official translation to a different version of said game?

[Anonymous No.3249970]

>>3249968
Tactics Ogre, I believe

[Anonymous No.3249978]

>>3249905
>But since the game is being released on Android, there may be more hype to make the snes hacking. After all, there is no need for the translation anymore.

Fuck no. Using the existing translation is bordering on warez and Square is all too happy to hit that with a C&D.

You'd bee waiting a long-ass time before someone gets one going for archive purposes because the mobile one goes dead. If you're that concerned hope for a PC port that can be modded.

[Anonymous No.3249980]

>>3249945
>He actually thinks quantity and quality are the same thing

[Anonymous No.3249983]

>>3249978
Ok, still the project can move faster if they have a translated reference.

[Anonymous No.3249986]

Honestly, I like the new backgrounds. RS3 is honestly the only RS game that doesn't look cheap; like something out of the SNES RPG Makers or edits of FF's assets. You can be as contrarian as you like and talk about charm and whatnot, but that's a straight fact. I like the RS games but I've always felt like Square gave the RS1 and RS2 developers only just enough budget to get the game finished.

It makes me wonder when they decided that the series was worth investing in to shell out more money for RS3 because it's definitely one of the best looking SNES games.

[Anonymous No.3249989]

>>3249983
translating it was never, ever the actual problem

[Anonymous No.3249990]

>>3249986
It is true that RS 1 is cheap af. When i first say some screenshots, i thought it was some sort of chinese ff copy or whatnot. But i would not say the same for RS 2. It is standard for snes FF. Looks better than FF IV

[Anonymous No.3249993]

>>3249989
Pretty much. Usually the fact is people are all to happy to put out a script for their favorite game, but the hacking part is madness.

[Anonymous No.3249994]

Any world on a Romancing SaGa 3 remake/enhanced port?

[Anonymous No.3249995]

>>3249968

Either way, the main issue with translating these games is the hacking.

[Anonymous No.3250003]

>>3249905
It's funny because GideonZhi, the guy who's working on RS2 SNES, already used the Official PS script of Tactics Ogre on the SNES version AND he recently showed interest on Android hacking in his twitter.
It's unlikely, but it might happen.

[Anonymous No.3250007]

>>3250003
Actually he dropped more than the translation, all the extra content of the PSX version was somehow dropped down to the SNES version, making it the definitive version of the game to play since it has better sound than the PSX version.

[Anonymous No.3250009]

Man, Blunt Strike having a 0 cost is really carrying me through the early game.

[Anonymous No.3250010]

Who the hell are these 3?

[Anonymous No.3250015]

>>3249994
Most likely. The Twitter account responsible of PR for this new port of RS2 posted this:

http://romasaga3.jp/

The most important date is a fucking image file though, so I can't translate it with Google. Also, turn down your speakers before opening the page.

[Anonymous No.3250020]

>>3249980
>Has yet to play the Android version
>Thinks he can speak as to whether the added content is quality

[Anonymous No.3250025]

>>3250020

More like he hasn't played either version but magically knows that the bug-ridden SNES version with less content is better.

[Anonymous No.3250050]

>Romancing Saga 2

Any "unwinnable" battles in this? I hate those.
Lufia did them the right way.

[Anonymous No.3250052]

>>3250025
I like that instead of providing an argument or analysis you just keep trying to make excuses for my opinion. Like how very nice and beta of you to try and imagine how I might actually be down at your level.

But I'm nothing like you.

[Anonymous No.3250061]

>>3250052

I don't know what you think I'm misunderstanding. You're whining about the remake, and calling it "the shittier version" despite its bugfixes and added content, and since you're waiting for a translation of the SNES version you obviously haven't played either version. Since you haven't played either version, your opinion on which one is better doesn't amount to much. Is this getting through to you at all, or are you going to call me a cuck next?

[Anonymous No.3250064]

It is interesting to see how RS 2 did for RS what FF 2 for FF. FF I looks quite open to me (as open as FF can get), almost no story but you jump from quest to quest. And suddenly, FF II introduces a good storyline (one of the best of the saga if you ask me).

RS 1 and RS 2 are different beasts, you may like one and dislike the other.

[Anonymous No.3250075]

I feel like every weapon/armor shop I find doesn't really offer proper upgrades, and it doesn't seem like characters gain stats via fighting, so how am I supposed to upgrade my guys? They gain weapon mastery, which seems to increase their damage, but surviving is a whole other story.

I'm asking because the termite queen is absolutely pushing my shit in and I'm not sure if my setup is just bad or what.

[Anonymous No.3250085]

anyone got it working on emulator?

[Anonymous No.3250117]

>>3250061
>the game is perfectly playable with the bugs in tact
>it's perfectly satisfying to beat without added content, which honestly isn't that much
>it's still a self-imposed challenge not to use overpowered tactics and exploits, just like every SaGa that isn't SFII, which doesn't really have any
>the extra conveniences are not necessary and won't significantly impact my enjoyment of a replay
>what will impact my enjoyment is everything looking like shit the whole time

why can't you just admit you have shit taste and actually like this overly commercialized pandering garbage


fucking casuals sometimes I swear

[Anonymous No.3250130]

>>3250117

So in short, "I hate it because MUH GWAFIX!" You're calling me a casual but that's the single most casual opinion anybody could ever have.

>commercialized
>pandering

Fuck off back to /v/, I hear it's really hip to hate perfectly good games over there so you'll fit right in.

[Anonymous No.3250154]

>>3250130
>So in short, "I hate it because MUH GWAFIX!" You're calling me a casual but that's the single most casual opinion anybody could ever have.
You essentially don't have your own opinion. That's what makes you a casual.

[Anonymous No.3250158]

>>3250154

How do I not have my own opinion? I thought it was pretty clear what mine is. "Even if a game has a few flaws that I don't like about it, as long as it's fun to play, I'll play it." I don't think being an ugly game makes it unplayable, and I'd rather play it in English now than wait 35 more years for AGTP to finish their translation.

[Anonymous No.3250165]

>>3250158
you would actually wait 35 years for someone to bring the game to you rather than go and get it

typical amerifat casual.

[Anonymous No.3250182]

>>3250165
You know what i think? Probably you don't like it, but don't have the will to wait. You are making excuses and cannot tolerate there are others who can wait for the greater experience.

I pity you.

[Anonymous No.3250220]

>>3250165

I'm not the retard sitting around refusing to play the port, you are.

[Anonymous No.3250225]

>>3250182
I'm literally never going to play it on mobile because it would be horrendously simple for me to play through it with nothing more than a kanji dictionary on hand to compensate for my rustiness, and I'm sure if I was feeling extra lazy I could brute force it like I did when only knew hiragana and katakana.

I understand that life is too hard for you and you take what you can get, but some of us have the ability to learn new shit and do shit for ourselves.

[Anonymous No.3250228]

>>3250064
>FFII
finished the gba version, got to the snowcraft in the NES version
this game is honestly not as bad as everyone claims and I'd rather play it over I
I really respect what it tried to do all those years ago on the NES
if I wanted (and had the skill) to change anything it would be
>disable attacks and offensive spells from targeting allies
>missing shouldn't give skill points
>remove stat decreases
>party members in the back recover some MP each turn (hey if you expect me to grind spells as much as weapon skills you might as well make them as usable)

unjustly maligned game

[Anonymous No.3250247]

That's right motherfucker

[Anonymous No.3250250]

>>3250225

>trying to look down on others while still needing to look up kanji for a game with elementary-level vocab

[Anonymous No.3250252]

>>3250015
I wouldn't be surprised if this comes up soon, and if sales are good enough we'll see it localized.

And then later probably a Minstrel Song port instead of RS1, since it's probably cheaper.

[Anonymous No.3250259]

>>3250252

I'd be pretty impressed if RS2 has sold very well. It's not like it's been advertised at all or anything.

[Anonymous No.3250270]

>>3250259
Hasn't even hit up on the New Games list, so who knows? All Square's titles have decent numbers.

Being untranslated until now might have an impact too, but I doubt it'd be a very big one.

[Anonymous No.3250278]

It's definitely less than ideal but I'm casting my phone's screen, so, the game, to my TV and playing with a bluetooth controller. It's working fine but I thought I should mention that my controller's D-Pad doesn't work, I have to use the analog stick instead. I don't know if this'll apply to every controller though.

I've just passed on to Gerard but in most random battles so far, at least one character manages to get themselves killed. Is this similar to RS3 in that grinding is anti-productive or should I put in some time to increase stats? I don't want to fuck things up like I did when I first played RS3.

>>3250225
Literally autism. I forgot the backgrounds were redone 15 minutes into the game.

>I understand that life is too hard for you and you take what you can get
Holy shit dude, calm down. It's just a video game! :^)

>>3250259
As of now there's only 55 ratings on the Play Store, unfortunately. The downloads counter is still showing 0 as well.

[Anonymous No.3250281]

>>3250225
If you know the language to play the original and already have an opinion that the new version is shit, why wouldn't you just go play the original instead of sitting in a thread complaining about how the phone version looks bad?

Most people, even the ones playing it, will agree with you that this version looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.3250310]

Uh, I'm not sure if I messed up or what, but...

Is the party supposed to die facing Saruin at the end of Minstrel Song? It seemed to be a good ending despite that, so...

Nevermind. Should have waited a bit longer. Still a bit disappointing that I didn't get any specific character endings like RS3 had.

... Ahaha, what the hell? "Thanks for forcing me to do all this shit, asshole. If you do new game+ don't bother me, I'm gonna catch some Zs". That was great.

[Anonymous No.3250328]

>>3250281
because the fact that this new version of the game makes you happy is itself offensive to me because it's indicative of a cancerous rot within the industry and the culture that supports it

[Anonymous No.3250334]

>>3250328
>because the fact that this new version of the game makes you happy is itself offensive
>quite literally stop liking what i don't like

[Anonymous No.3250343]

>>3250328
Go back to Tumblr and whine about you getting triggered by a video game.

[Anonymous No.3250357]

>>3250250
>actually memorizing a language you won't use in every day life instead of doing the bare minimum
yeah okay buddy you're a cool guy

[Anonymous No.3250360]

>>3250357
>some of us have the ability to learn new shit
>except for when we don't

[Anonymous No.3250361]

>>3250357
>memorizing a language you won't use in every day life to play a video game
Coolest.

[Anonymous No.3250364]

>>3250357

>trying to justify being a lazy piece of shit that can't even memorize 1000 kanji

Stop trying to look cool dude. If your vocab is that bad, you definitely don't have the grammar skills you would need either.

[Anonymous No.3250367]

>>3250334
Actually, I view your liking this thing as being literally damaging to the future potential of good things being able to happen, by decreasing the average quality of newer developments by collectively lowering the standards of the industry.

[Anonymous No.3250373]

>>3250360
Exactly. There's only so much time in the world, you gotta choose your development each step of the way, or you'll end up at too high of a battle rank without a useful skillset to carry you through.

[Anonymous No.3250380]

>>3250373
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.3250381]

>>3250367

>let's just not buy it! that'll show SE how much we want more games like this!

Good thinking you insane fuck

[Anonymous No.3250383]

>>3250367
People are eating shit and you can't stop them no matter what you say, anon. You should know that this game isn't even close to being the cancer that is killing video games, though. Look at all the pay-and-wait-two-hours-to-win clones of popular, FULL, objectively better one-time purchase games that are making more money than the games they're copying. Put your efforts elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.3250385]

>>3250364
>actually taking it seriously
yeah no, maybe when japan earns it I'll give that my time

[Anonymous No.3250389]

>>3250381
square enix isn't special or even good anymore

I don't even believe they still know how to make a good game

[Anonymous No.3250394]

>>3250383
I would but this is sort of like anger therapy for me

otherwise I wouldn't do it

but I really like telling people they're wrong, especially if the only thing they can manage to do is get salty about it

[Anonymous No.3250401]

>>3250394
so basically, you're just doing it for the (You)s.

[Anonymous No.3250403]

>>3250401
no, I actually don't care if you give any response at all, I just need to believe in my heart that somebody read it and felt bad

I want to make a difference but I don't care if it's recognized or not

[Anonymous No.3250421]

What the fuck

[Anonymous No.3250423]

>>3250394
>I really like telling people they're wrong
Something I hold dear to my heart as well. Fuck on, anon.

[Anonymous No.3250437]

>>3250310
And now I'm starting a new game with Barbara. Pretty barren "starting quest".

[Anonymous No.3250459]

>thread ruined by yet another assobliterated fag

G-guess we can let this one die now

[Anonymous No.3250469]

>>3250459
fuck that

tell me which of these dopey cunts i should be

i already have a baseline idea of how each race works from talking about the series with somebody else, but it's my first time through this game and i'm not very good. my thoughts are one of each, at least, and then just one more for good measure.

[Anonymous No.3250503]

>>3250469

Humans are the easiest class but can have a tough start because they're very money-reliant. My first playthru was a human, an ESPer and two monsters and I beat it pretty easily. I would only recommend taking one monster though, they can be liabilities at times.

[Anonymous No.3250518]

>>3250503
I was thinking a Human, ESPer, and two monsters, too.

Maybe I'll throw a human, two ESPers, and a monster.
Or just go with my first plan.
I was told this isn't hard enough of a game that I don't need to worry too much unless I do all monsters or something.

[Anonymous No.3250531]

>>3250518

Yeah honestly as long as you don't bite off more than you can chew you'll be good. The game doesn't get super interesting until you enter the actual tower, so don't get bored and stop playing till at least that point, haha

[Anonymous No.3250546]

>>3250437
that's really the point though

Barbara is sort of like this game's Lute

Usually people Pick Barbara or Sif when they're aiming to take down 10FS Saruin (Barbara because she gets perfect BP stats, Sif because she gets the Dragon Orb)

Sif is also has by far the most entertaining dialogue with Saruin, like she just dropped out of SaGa 1 or something

[Anonymous No.3250550]

Speaking of RS1:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BFOw90kjf1E

[Anonymous No.3250562]

>>3250518
Do not take two Espers. Espers have this annoying mechanic where they randomly learn and forget skills after battle, and the only effective way of preventing yourself from ending up with junk is to open your menu and check their abilities after every battle, and save if they kept the good ones and reload if they lost one you needed.

Monsters cost no money and are really easy and simple to grow, but are weaker and more fragile than humans or espers. Basically an economy option.

That being said, I'd say the most comfortable parties are:

>2 Humans, 1 Esper, 1 Monster (Balanced)
>1 Human, 1 Esper, 2 Monsters (faster progress but weaker)
>1 Human, 3 Espers (Very strong, but might become grindy)
>1 Esper, 3 Monsters (Progress very fast, very cheap, but need to plan out your monster transformations)

The upside of having 3 or 4 Espers is that you can just let the RNG carry you away

[Anonymous No.3250565]

>>3250550
>I'M A BUBBLE MAN
>NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE THE SUN

[Anonymous No.3250602]

>>3250546
>10FS Saruin
NOPE
For now my goal is to perfect a run with more quests completed, and opt for the "neutral" path to Saruin.
I tried to be EXTREMELY careful with ER and now the very first boss is hopelessly kicking my ass. Guess I need to stat up a bit.

[Anonymous No.3250607]

>>3250602
Early on beating bosses is almost always a situation of linking combos to nullify their defenses or sparking specific low level waza. (there are status effects that can effect some bosses, that would otherwise basically be impossible to beat at a low ER e.g. the ghost ship guarding the aquamarine can be beaten at any ER. Another example is inflicting snare to make the pillar fights against the bone dragons more tolerable)

[Anonymous No.3250613]

>>3250550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugQfuu1Y6Q

[Anonymous No.3250614]

>>3250607
Yes, but see, I avoided all combat with Lurk, so I had 0 techs and none of them were sparking either. Eventually got lucky with Sif sparking Cut Timber... which wasn't particulary useful... but any port in a storm, hey

[Anonymous No.3250620]

>>3250614
Didn't you get the treasure chests with fixed contents then? Did you recruit Jamil or strip him yet? Who's actually in your party and what quest are you trying to do?

[Anonymous No.3250635]

>>3250620
No and no. I was trying to do Unsettling Settlements. That's accomplished, so no worries.

I haven't actually decided who should I recruit next, but I want to leave spots open to do Knight's Honor later on

[Anonymous No.3250642]

>>3250010
They should be the so called fair haired heroes I presume, characters that were dummied out during development.
>>3250050
No unwinnable battles, you can literally win any battle in the game, even the ones that look impossible, mostly due to the game's non linear nature.
>>3250075
>I feel like every weapon/armor shop I find doesn't really offer proper upgrades
You'll have to develop those upgrades via your blacksmiths first.
> the termite queen is absolutely pushing my shit in and I'm not sure if my setup is just bad or what.
She's just THAT brutal, it's not just you.
You'll need to crank some magic up in this shit, buffs and heal and have some strong fighter fuck her shit up, blunt attacks are your best option, so have someone with good martial arts and proficiency lay down the law on her.

Keep in mind that she uses soundwaves, so you don't have any kind of real defense against her, worst thing is she can target every party member and if she feels like being a cunt she can also use Pheromone to charm them, the Queen is legit harder and more powerful than Bokuohn and first form Roc.

If you can post your current team and setup I can give you more precise tips Anon.
>>3250546
>Sif is also has by far the most entertaining dialogue with Saruin, like she just dropped out of SaGa 1 or something

She lays the smackdown alright.

[Anonymous No.3250662]

>>3250642

This is my current squad. I think I made two big mistakes so far: picking Fritz as my successor despite having had Gerard focus on swords, and not picking a mage for my party. I did a little reading online and saw people saying this boss is super tough this early, so I decided to find something else to do. About to try to clear mount comroon, hopefully this goes a little better.

[Anonymous No.3250667]

>>3250662

>just had one fight at the volcano

Actually this isn't gonna pan out

[Anonymous No.3250669]

I feel bad. These items are way too broken and they're given left and right. Do I fuck up something if I abuse them?

[Anonymous No.3250671]

>>3250669
Whoops, for some reason bsnes fucked up the screenshot.

[Anonymous No.3250679]

>>3250671
did you fight any of the four noble devils yet

[Anonymous No.3250689]

>>3250679
No, or at least I don't think so. Every enemy has had this music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxgLPrbSg-U

[Anonymous No.3250692]

>>3250531
Well, I did play a bit of the GB version like 15 years ago, but I can't remember anything and did stop before the tower, so I'll keep that in mind in case things get too slow for me.

>>3250562
I knew about the random spells, and yeah my friend kind of said the same thing. How much planning would you have to do with the monsters, though? IIRC, the WSC remake makes it so you can see previews of the monsters, so I won't need to meticulously follow a guide or something if I don't want horribly weak monsters, yeah?

[Anonymous No.3250695]

>>3250689
then you probably haven't found the hard parts yet

other hard fights are if you try to solve the situation with undine and volcano early on, or that one water dragon asshole

there are more obviously, but I wouldn't want to spoil them all

[Anonymous No.3250697]

>>3250669
Those go away when you leave the dream

[Anonymous No.3250698]

>>3250692
probably not much if the WSC version actually does that. the thing is that you can have your 250 HP monster eat a piece of meat and drop down to like 20 HP weak sauce monster because of the way the tables matched up.

this will fuck your ass if you were actually relying on them.

[Anonymous No.3250703]

>>3250662
>Comroon
Oh god, how can they translate that so badly.

Anyway, first of all ditch Imperial Cross, it's useless against the Queen.
Walrus is your tank so teach him earth and water magic and let him buff Fritz, Jason and Side's attack, you should try to get Capoeira Kick on Fritz, using Kick or Sobat will help sparking it, have Jason use Spears. Side should use either Swords or Greatswords, axes wouldn't be a bad idea either, free fighters are pretty versatile anyway, Louis is worthless against the Queen as you are now, make him a dedicated healer together with Walrus, pump up that water magic son.

Your HP and proficiencies, especially magic are dangerously low for what you're trying to do though, did you already do Cumberland's scenario? I will help you build up some proficiencies and money, and keep in mind that if you don't do it during this generation it automatically shifts to the worst route and ending, so keep that in mind.

Komulune volcano can be pretty tough so be advised.

Also, you're definitely not using magic as much as you should, you can't progress without magic in this game, any boss or random encounter after reaching mid-late battle ranks will tear your asshole apart if you can't cast buffs, healing and protections, and magic is the most powerful offensive tool when it comes to AoE, meaning you can conserve your WP for bosses.

Also, did you get the Somon Ring?
>>3250669
No, also because they disappear after you finish the Dream world, so abuse them while you're there.

[Anonymous No.3250704]

>>3250697
can't you keep them if you send them to storage

[Anonymous No.3250706]

>>3250697
>>3250703
Oh, that's cool then. Also, I've been grinding Muse a little bit, but she doesn't seem that good, especially with how little TP she has and gets. Should I bother?

[Anonymous No.3250707]

>>3250698
Yeah, I just quickly tested it, and you get a stat preview. No skills, but as long as I keep going up, things should be fine with more than one monster.

I remember random things happening when I played the game years ago, though, so I could see how that would fuck you over without previews.

[Anonymous No.3250721]

>>3250706
>Should I bother?
Muse is a blank slate, you can make her become whatever you want, that's her only advantage.

She's a type 00, so she doesn't spark all that much, meaning you'll have to wait for others to master something good for her.

She's a character that you should use only when you're accustomed to the game's mechanic since to make her good you'll need to know what to look for and how to build her so she can work well in a party.
Sharl's pretty great once you get the Silver Hand though.

[Anonymous No.3250760]

>>3250721
Alright then, I'll ditch her this time. Also, thanks for the info guys, and sorry for asking too much stuff; I'm excited for the rest of the game, but I also don't know anything about the mechanics since it's my first SaGa and it seems like the game doesn't like to tell you how it works.

[Anonymous No.3250771]

>>3250703

Man, I don't even have access to learning magic, I don't think. Sounds like something I definitely can't neglect, but I don't even know how to get it and I'm 7 hours in.

[Anonymous No.3250793]

>>3250760
>and it seems like the game doesn't like to tell you how it works.
That's exactly right! It's part of the experience.
We're here to help Anon, don't worry.
>>3250771
>Man, I don't even have access to learning magic, I don't think
Anon...
Anon, did you read the manual?
Did you create the magic research center? You should have done that during Gerald's generation already.

[Anonymous No.3250795]

>>3250793

>Manual

Anon-san, I don't think this cell phone game has one...

[Anonymous No.3250816]

>>3250795
>I don't think this cell phone game has one...
You don't say.
Well shit, Anon, you fucked up.

You have to sit on your throne so your ministers come and ask you to donate money to create stuff, you should have created the Magic Research Center during Gerald's generation so that you could have access to magic, if you don't create it you can't teach or create new magic, it's absolutely vital to get that ASAP.

Fucking hell, are you really sure there's no manual?

[Anonymous No.3250837]

Any word on a crack for the apk? nobody else seems interested enough outside of this thread, and all I can find from google is dubious sites and random news blogs.
I am not too big on this pirating mobile games shit, am I doing it wrong?

[Anonymous No.3250843]

>>3250816

Not that guy, but I had the orchard built, and I'm in Victor Canal's fortress. I cleared the goblin cave, gemstone mine, and I made friends with the brawlers. Was I supposed to make the magic research center right after the orchard was built? Because Gerard only sighs on the throne.

[Anonymous No.3250853]

>>3250816

Yeah, none that I've managed to find anyway. Every time I sit on the throne I just get "whew" so I stopped doing it cause I figured nothing really happens.

[Anonymous No.3250861]

>>3250843
>Was I supposed to make the magic research center right after the orchard was built? Because Gerard only sighs on the throne.
Nothing else than sighs?
Well that's weird, you should be able to do it during Gerald's generation, I'm pretty tired but I don't think I'm wrong on that, hell that would be pretty embarassing.
In any case, I suppose you got Cat, did you? If not, go sleep in Gerard's room to trigger the quest.
>>3250853
>Every time I sit on the throne I just get "whew" so I stopped doing it cause I figured nothing really happens.
Even in your current generation?
Keep trying, the game has rolls to activate the ministers, sometimes you need to sit down quite a few times.

[Anonymous No.3250871]

>>3250861

>Keep trying, the game has rolls to activate the ministers, sometimes you need to sit down quite a few times.

That's... really dumb, also does clearing the canal cause a time jump, and can I get another boat if I leave instead? I don't have Cat because I always sleep in the inn. Man, you really have to try everything to get stuff.

[Anonymous No.3250883]

>>3250861

Yeah, I'm on the second generation and went on and off the throne 50 times (I counted). Maybe there's a bug? I really hope not.

[Anonymous No.3250885]

>>3250871
>That's... really dumb
I know.
>also does clearing the canal cause a time jump
Generally, you need to liberate a region and have at least other two minor quests done to trigger a generation shift, there are exceptions to that however.
Usually you'll shift every three/four quests done or so, but afaik you can get a shift also by using 250 years for a generation and finishing a major quests, it's kind of a complex system.
>Man, you really have to try everything to get stuff.
You can't even begin to imagine.

I'm off to bed now, hoping I can get some sleep, I'll be up again for questions tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.3250898]

>>3250885

Honestly, anon, you're based as fuck. I'm so glad we have a guy like you in these threads.

[Anonymous No.3250939]

>>3250721
I never use Sharl because I always give Black the silver hand for 4x Axe Waza

[Anonymous No.3251017]

where did all these fucking birds come from

[Anonymous No.3251024]

>>3251017
haha yeah

I kind of like that in the GB game everything is so stark and barren, all the living creatures are fighting violently for their lives

[Anonymous No.3251045]

>>3251017
For the love of God... USE A FUCKING FILTER.

[Anonymous No.3251047]

>>3250837
>I am not too big on this pirating mobile games shit, am I doing it wrong?
I think it took months for like Final Fantasy Dimensions to be cracked and that had the FF brand name on it.

So if you want it for free, I reckon you're going to be waiting for quite a while.

[Anonymous No.3251050]

>>3251045
just 4u senpai :^)

[Anonymous No.3251053]

>>3250861
>Well that's weird, you should be able to do it during Gerald's generation, I'm pretty tired but I don't think I'm wrong on that, hell that would be pretty embarassing.
There's a requirement based on the Emperor's JP or something, if he didn't train up Gerard by constantly tossing Fireballs, I can see not being able to build the Magic Research Center.

[Anonymous No.3251054]

>>3251050

Looks just how I remember it when I was playing it as a kid.

[Anonymous No.3251059]

>>3251017
>>3251045
Yeah anon don't you know if you post authentic low res artwork modern gamers will be so triggered that they convulsively throw their devices into the wall as they are now physically incapable of enjoying anything less than 720p

[Anonymous No.3251063]

>>3251050
strangely, it reminds me of yume nikki and I think with enough effort and planning and transformations you could turn this into real fine art

or at least silkscreen it on a t-shirt and call it fine design

[Anonymous No.3251069]

>>3251047
Fuck. I already waited like two decades. Damn you Gideon, stop sperging about gamergate and sjw buzzwords and do something productive.

I'd like to get it legit, but my phone is too old (it's got great size and battery life, but it uses gingerbread, so Play won't let me buy this) and I can't find an emulator in Linux that runs this (Genymotion runs the only other mobile game I play, but it's shit for everything else), so I am kind of in a bad situation. I really don't want to buy a new device with android 4.1 just for this.

[Anonymous No.3251072]

>>3251050
Oh haha, that's a good one! You sure got me!
kys

>>3251059
>muh modern gamer strawman
Not everyone enjoys pixelated diarrhea, anon. You're not a better person for having lower standards.

[Anonymous No.3251078]

>>3251072
What, you want me to throw scanlines on a fucking handheld game?

Or that ugly-ass LCD filter?

I'd rather just play with the pixellate filter so everything is evenly aligned for handheld games.

[Anonymous No.3251080]

>>3251078
You'd be surprised how nice handheld games post-GB/GG look with CRT Royale. I mean, it's unconventional - but I certainly prefer it to raw pixels.

[Anonymous No.3251082]

>>3251072
>>3251078
You sound miserable anon. If I wanted you to feel bad here couldn't I just not even talk to you? Yet you run in here interjecting to show everyone how much of an ass you are. It's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.3251085]

>>3251080
I love raw pixels

is that weird?

[Anonymous No.3251087]

>>3251080
I'm just not big on those kinds of shaders for handheld games. I don't really know why because I more or less agree with you for everything else.

>>3251082
what

[Anonymous No.3251089]

>>3251082
What the fuck are you blathering on about?

Also, I hope you know that you responded to two different people.

[Anonymous No.3251095]

>>3251085
No. In fact, a lot of people prefer them.

Maybe I'm the one who's weird.

>>3251087
I totally know where you're coming from. I felt the same way when I first started using them on handheld games. It's just that somewhere down the line I got over that feeling.

Still, I hope we get better LCD filters in the future.

[Anonymous No.3251116]

>>3251089
>Also, I hope you know that you responded to two different people.
In this case I'm not sure it matters, even grammatically speaking.

[Anonymous No.3251136]

Holy shit, it was a good idea to bring a Mutant. RNG Gods must be nice because I keep getting Mana, Def, and Agi boosts all day every day.

I don't have the cash to keep my human as well statted, yet, but I'm assuming that will change later in the game.

[Anonymous No.3251153]

>>3250635
And then I got stuck fighting an unwinnable fight against the Mummy. Good thing I had a solid save just in case, so not a lot of effort was wasted. I hope I can escape Oapu without triggering or forfeiting that quest, though.

[Anonymous No.3251163]

>>3251136
Stat capsules cost 300 forever, and the most expensive hp capsule is 5000

one sword late in the game is around 30000

humans are good because physical attacks will eventually outpace magic attacks in terms of one-hit kill potential, which is something you want, so you can avoid hemorrhaging all your HP on the way to the boss fight.

[Anonymous No.3251167]

>>3251163
oh, i've already been told they get really good when you have the cash for them. It's just that the mutant is outpacing the human's AGI faster than I can raise it with capsules. I already hit 200 HP with my guy, so I've been pumping AGI, but the mutant just going faster.

wish i had some healing magic, though

[Anonymous No.3251169]

>>3251153
Aren't you allowed to lose to the mummy though?

you don't get all the rewards but you still get to go to the faerie's grove

unless you get LP killed of course

[Anonymous No.3251172]

>>3251167
XPotions nigga

[Anonymous No.3251368]

>>3251169
Yeah, but that happened to me in my first playthrough and really wanted to avoid it.
Plus Barbara as the main means I can get to the Grove right away anyway.

[Anonymous No.3251468]

>>3250837
It depends on whether or not you want to go through all this effort but you can try replacing the Play Store with Lucky Patcher's modded version. It gives the OK to any app asking for verification. You'll need to root if the Play Store is a system app and it most likely is unless you have some offbrand Chinese phone.

[Anonymous No.3251490]

>>3251468
Interesting, I can try buying like that and feeding the apk to an emulator somehow. It's a start, thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.3251498]

>>3250939
Oh anon, I remember you from the old generals, how are you?
>>3251053
>There's a requirement based on the Emperor's JP or something,

I honestly didn't even know that, I took you could get the center's in Gerard's generation for granted because Gerard sucks at everything but magic until he inherits Leon's proficiencies, so I alway had him at around 10 Fire and Light levels when I finished Leon's generation, Light Ball is also a super solid early game spells considering it can blind and hits all enemies, and it can still work throughout all the game, it's a lifesaver against groups of melee oriented foes.

Also, since Anon didn't answer my question, there's an item that's very easy to miss during Leon's generation that is a must get if you use the Last Emperor and not the Empress, it's the Somon Ring.

You can get it in the mansion in Somon when you fight Kujinshi, first floor, you have to go through the unlit fireplace, there's a room there with crowns and the ring in two chests, no mimics to ruin your day either.

You want to get that ring because it's one of the three accessories that protect against Charm, the other being the Demon/Magic stone ring(eh...) and the new Interio/Interior Ring that you receive from Victor's ghost if you win the fight, the only other item that protects against charm is the molemen Iron's Will helmet, and that's a non removable item.

I'm telling you all of this because Rocbouquet's signature move Temptation(remember Venus in SaGa 2?) charms all males in the party with 100% accuracy, unlike moves like Pheromone or Ghostlight, which charm universally but can fail. It's one of the keys to defeating both Rocboquet and the last boss, unless you're using an all female party, or a moleman, and keep in mind that it protects you against Pheromone and Ghostlight as well.

[Anonymous No.3251526]

>>3251045
Which one is the best?

[Anonymous No.3251603]

>>3251498
>Oh anon, I remember you from the old generals, how are you?
Still just taking my time and cycling through the classics every once in a while

I think I was just at the bottom of Suzaku's skyscraper last time I saved, I'll probably beat it tomorrow and start playing Snatcher or something.

Unless the RO private server I've been waiting on finally relaunches I guess. I'm a sucker for permadeath in MMORPGs

[Anonymous No.3251626]

>>3251603
It's good to see you again.
>I'm a sucker for permadeath in MMORPGs

Too bad it's a gameplay model that can hardly work with the modern idea of MMORPG.

Also, I've restarted a game and it seems that the New Game+ feature is there after all, I thought they still had to implement it on the Vita version?
Seems like you retain your items but they're kind of locked, I'm going to fend off the Goblin invasion in Avalon and found out I had basically all the objects I got through Gerard and Leon's generations, which means two Somon rings, two Youtoryuuko or how the hell it's pronounced, the Worm Slayer that dropped while doing Karl's quest, but nothing after those, maybe the game now records the chapters in which you got those items and locks them so you can't just cheese the game too much, would make sense.

What bothers me though is that the Imperial Records are seemingly reset to a blank state, I thought you could fill all the entries by choosing different paths during new game+, and I thought you also retained your proficiency levels, or maybe it's just that Leon's generation is locked out of this, whatever, I'll look into it later.

[Anonymous No.3251648]

>>3251626
Is it strange that I'd find it more endearing if it wasn't actually possible to make a "100% File"

[Anonymous No.3251672]

>>3251648
Not at all, it's actually a big part of why I like SaGa games, especially up from the Romancing trilogy.

I just thought it was strange that they would put such a function but not let you see all the entries on the Imperial Records, or maybe it's just a bug, it seemed logical to have all the lore regarding quests carry on to the next games, after all Minstrel Song did it.
I would have actually preferred new game+ to be simply that, slightly better starting proficiencies and the records, especially since items like the Moonlight sword were supposed to be unique depending on which Emperor you chose, then again, maybe you don't get those kind of items, just like you're forced to make a certain decision during the second pat of the Komulune's quest.

Whatever, we'll see, right now there's only items that carried over, so it's not too bad of a deal, having good equipment doesn't really amount to much if you don't have spells, formations and the proficiencies to balance it all, though it sure makes the game a bit smoother.

[Anonymous No.3252521]

Soooo...anyone managed to get the apk running yet?

[Anonymous No.3252595]

>>3252521
yeah, the ones who bought it

[Anonymous No.3252693]

Restarted on this game today, hopefully it goes a little better this time.

I remember getting the Somon ring, now that I've gotten it again, but I think I lost it last time because I gave it to Leon.

[Anonymous No.3252740]

>>3250692
Now I'm in the tower but I'm just having a hard time giving a shit about going on. I got to the island world, but due to luck one of my monsters is now retarded strong to the point of being almost unstoppable, the other is completely useless, my mutant is doing okay, and my human is doing damage comparable to my other monster despite having 99 AGI and what I'm pretty sure is an AGI weapon.

Is it normal to get this kind of OP set up because I'm almost feeling like the game is easymode now due to my one monster and mutant. I have whatever the first gun is on my human, but I'm thinking a saber would probably be a better choice.

[Anonymous No.3252759]

>>3252595
REKT

[Anonymous No.3252775]

As someone who's only ever played RS3 but enjoyed it immensely, what's the next best game for them to play? That would also serve as a good introduction to the series' system since I wouldn't say I was an expert with RS3. I have to do a bit of savescumming in some parts of the game.

I've experimented with the DS Saga and Minstrel Song games but they seemed a bit intimidating for lack of a better word.

[Anonymous No.3252781]

>>3252775

If minstrel song seemed a bit too much, maybe try saga frontier on psx. It's pretty rough around the edges but there's some great stuff in there. Just don't pick Lute for your first character!

[Anonymous No.3252784]

>>3252775
SaGa Frontier is the most similar one.
Minstrel Song shouldn't be that intimidating. If the lack of pointers is a problem, just use a guide. Managing encounters and character growth is the challenge.

[Anonymous No.3252786]

>>3252784

To be fair, minstrel song does have all the mastery and field skill bull shit, which does seem a bit over complicated, and having to worry about gems might seem like a problem too.

[Anonymous No.3252796]

>>3252781
>It's pretty rough around the edges
Indeed. I've seen screenshots of it and the UI alone is a bit unsettling.

>>3252784
>Minstrel Song shouldn't be that intimidating
Well, I picked Hawke as my main character and had trouble finding something to do. Then I kept hearing about keeping note of ER, then I ended up just forgetting about the game instead of restarting. That was years ago.

Honestly, Minstrel Song is the one I want to play most if only because of the aesthetics and soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.3252840]

>>3252693
>but I think I lost it last time because I gave it to Leon.
Don't worry Anon, check the treasury, it's there.
You can't lose items in RomaSaGa 2, even if you trash them or have characters equipped with them die, they all still go into the treasury.
Just be careful not to miss some items though, the Somon Ring is one of those.
>>3252775
>but they seemed a bit intimidating for lack of a better word.
Scared about Battle or Event Rank? You should.
The DS SaGa remakes are prety easy and straightforward, but I'm gonna jump on the SaGa Frontier bandwagon here, go play it, it has some truly unique stories and characters, and it's an excellent, if not a bit too easy entry.
Besides, during early stages of development it was meant to be Romancing SaGa 4, and it shows.

[Anonymous No.3252849]

I'm thinking about restarting my playthrough of RS2 as a new player. Is it possible to purposely kill off party members during Leon's scenaro to pick whoever I want? Also, how do I give Gerard fire magic, as I've read? Do I just talk to the mages or something?

[Anonymous No.3252859]

>>3252740
Rapier and Saber is an Agi weapon, but perhaps counter-intuitively guns and whips are actually not. Martial arts suck and mana weapons generally aren't worth it aside from the Psycho Knife and Psycho Sword.

If your Agi character only used Rapier>Saber>Light Saber>Cat's Claw you'll actually make out pretty good.

Any weapon that has a sword icon, even the katana, is actually a strength weapon.

[Anonymous No.3252867]

>>3252849
>Is it possible to purposely kill off party members during Leon's scenaro to pick whoever I want?
>Killing the Avalon bros

You monster.

It is, but it's extremely tedious and risky, besides, it's not worth it, there's not much choice anyway and Bear, Therese and James work really well together in the Imperial Cross formation.
Your other choices would be the same classes, albeit with different stat and spark tables, Free Fighters and Court Mages, it's not really worth spending time killing off characters while trying to avoid LP loss on Leon or Gerard.
>Also, how do I give Gerard fire magic, as I've read?
Talk to Emerald, the female Court Mage in the room down the dojo, she'll teach you Fireball.

[Anonymous No.3252869]

>>3252859
Dang, I thought the guns would be agi due to bows seeming to be agi. I don't really have the cash for a few sabers right now, but maybe I'll just save up for the next world and rely on my mutant and monster for this area.

The second game introduces robots, yeah? How are they for when I get to it? I'm planning on doing the DS version, but I'm not sure if I want to have a mutant in the second game just because of their ability shifting getting on my nerves sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3252884]

>>3252859
>>3252869
Also, all of the weapons in the WS remake have icons, sword or otherwise, so I don't think that trick will work for telling which ones are STR/AGI weapons. I'll just stick with faster sounding weapons. Surprised the katana isn't AGI, though.

[Anonymous No.3252886]

>>3252869
If you don't have enough money now, you'll quickly find your pockets overflowing when you actually make it to the boss's castle. Typically the pattern is that world map battles aren't very hard and mostly give you a chance to change monster forms and make just enough money to buy new armor, then when you actually make it to the castle you'll start fighting multiple groups of enemies, and wiping out 3-8 monsters with your mutant spells yields a lot of cash very quickly.

You can also just fight fixed battles against the castle guards which is usually one or 2 monster types that usually appear in groups and can be quickly wiped out for easy money.

[Anonymous No.3252898]

>>3252884
Honestly you should just raise your strength and agility equally since efficient single target weapons like the ones I mentioned are usually agi, while the multi-target human weapons like the SMG, Grenades, Bazooka, and Vulcan all use strength.

[Anonymous No.3252906]

>>3252898
I'm working on strength, just slowly. I pumped up AGI as fast as I could, so now it's all maxed out. I'll go onto STR when I can now.

My HP is at 200-ish, so I'm not too worried about that right now.

I'll keep those tips in mind for the later weapon choices, though. I take it these weapon tips work for 2 and 3, as well?

[Anonymous No.3252908]

>>3252867

I'm a massive savescummer, so risk doesn't bother me. Is it even possible to recruit characters as Leon anyway, or do I have to do it as Gerard? And do I need the magic research center to learn Fireball, or does simply talking to her in that little room do the trick? Sorry about all the questions.

[Anonymous No.3252915]

>>3252906
Agility maxes at 255, not 99 anon

if you keep increasing it it will actually roll over from FF back to 01 in the Gameboy version at least

[Anonymous No.3252920]

>>3252915
I was told that, too, but when I tried another potion, it said my AGI raised by 0 at 99. I think they fixed it in the WS remake.

[Anonymous No.3252931]

>>3252906
I really wouldn't count on stats working the same way from game to game in the SaGa series

like I know in SaGa Frontier Gun damage is actually based on Willpower and learning Gun Techniques is based on Intelligence, but learning martial arts and sword techniques is based on talent and stats have no impact.

Then in Minstrel Song you have sword techniques that actually base their damage on Willpower and Katana techniques that are based on Agility, and then other techniques on the same weapon type are based on Strength or Dexterity.

[Anonymous No.3252949]

>>3252908
>Is it even possible to recruit characters as Leon anyway, or do I have to do it as Gerard?

I have never even tried, but I don't see why you shouldn't be able to, Bear, Therese and James are generics, they're not involved in anything but the opening sequence.

>And do I need the magic research center to learn Fireball, or does simply talking to her in that little room do the trick? Sorry about all the questions.

Don' worry Anon, this thread is here to help people like you.

You don't need to build the Magic Research Center(Also because you can't until you reach Gerard's generation and have a minimum amount of JP on your emperor/Gerard), once Leon talks with Oaive in the throne room and you play as Gerard go down and talk to Emerald, she'll teach Gerard Fireball.
You do however need the Magic Research Center to teach anything more than that, so have Gerard spam Fireball, he's also got the Magic power to make it a real good spell, once he inherits Lightball you'll want to abuse that too, it's a great spell that will also help you build up proficiency levels.

Keep in mind that you NEED proficiency levels to learn new spells like Moonlight, Self Burning and so on, so always have a dedicated spellcaster in your team using magic constantly, otherwise you'll end up needing to grind, and grinding is a not advised until you know what to expect.

Fusion Spells, some of which are vital to simply not die like a bitch to bosses, also require pretty high levels on two schools of magic to be created, ideally, by the endgame you should have around 35 in all schools of magic so you can get both the most important Fusion Spells and the last tier of normal ones, including Quicktime if you feel like the game's too hard.

One last reason you'll want to build proficiency is that RomaSaGa 2 doesn't have individual WP/JP growth rolls like the other games, rather, you get 3 WP/JP per proficiency point, it's a pretty delicate sub-balance system.

[Anonymous No.3252975]

>>3252949

>Keep in mind that you NEED proficiency levels to learn new spells like Moonlight, Self Burning and so on, so always have a dedicated spellcaster in your team using magic constantly, otherwise you'll end up needing to grind, and grinding is a not advised until you know what to expect

I've heard about this, you can actually make the game unwinnable if you grind too much, right? It's basically the same as The Last Remnant, which is a SaGa game in disguise. I think that's why the New Game+ feature was added.

Can Leon raise his Light proficiency, or does Gerard have to do it on his own?

[Anonymous No.3252976]

>>3252931
Oh, I know they get quite a bit different. I meant mostly for the first three games since I know those are pretty similar.

[Anonymous No.3252995]

>>3252975
>you can actually make the game unwinnable if you grind too much, right?

Pretty much, not actually unwinnable but extremely frustrating as you'll probably won't be able to win random battles anymore.

In this remaster the Maze of Memories changed that, since floors have fixed BR enemy batches, but it would be extremely tedious nonetheless, in the SNES version, good fucking luck.

>I think that's why the New Game+ feature was added.

I'm currently on new game+, seems like you just get your items back, and they're given to you gradually too.

>Can Leon raise his Light proficiency, or does Gerard have to do it on his own?

Sure, the only thing Leon and Gerard can't do is sparking anything more than starter waza, they're a unique special type, type14 iirc, mainly because they're very good characters stat wise and they didn't want them to become more powerful than they already are.

Once you'll get to play as the last emperor/empress, you'll see why they neutered their spark tables so much.

[Anonymous No.3253058]

>>3252995

>I'm currently on new game+, seems like you just get your items back, and they're given to you gradually too.

I was wondering if it was just items, because if Leon got Soul Steal, that'd just be weird.

Now that I think about it, it'd be an interesting premise if starting New Game+ was actually beginning an alternate timeline where Leon sparked dodge Soul Steal without having to sacrifice himself.

[Anonymous No.3253314]

Minion Scorn at Twinmoon is IMPOSSIBLE at low ER. Doesn't look like I'll be completing Ailing Emperor this time either.

[Anonymous No.3253324]

>>3253314
What do you mean? It sounds like you went in there before. Just don't have the attacks or does he just one shot you without any of his buffs?

[Anonymous No.3253329]

Does anyone know if you can root your phone to locate and make a copy of the save files, if transferring them actually works?

[Anonymous No.3253339]

>>3253324
>does he just one shot you without any of his buffs?
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.3253343]

>>3253314
haha no he isn't

What you need is a Bow user, Lance user, Polearm user, Martial Arts user, or Imperial Scholar/Rosalian Mage

I cannot tell you why otherwise it will sort of ruin the challenge, as this tactic works on everything, but there's something all those categories have in common. If you can figure out what, you'll be able to win.

The martial technique here is something you're not likely to spark at a low ER however (unless you have a huge jewel counter and learn techniques off of Pyrix or something)

[Anonymous No.3253407]

>>3253343
This as well. Didn't want to say it though. It feels good when you get unexpected effects off of skills. I remember paralyzing a boss by doing Stardust. Then of course putting the lock down on the Ghost Ship.

Scorn is suppose to nearly/ will one shot you with his attacks.

[Anonymous No.3253419]

>>3253407
>>3253343
I'm intrigued about the advice, but I'm afraid I can't figure it out.
On the plus side I managed to win through some intensive healing management and with a lot of luck, as Scorn was kind enough to use Wind on Aisha (who was holding the Opal) a couple of times.
Out of frustration I ended up tripping into way more encounters than I wanted in an already encounter-heavy spot like Twinmoon.
I hope I can get out at ER11 for the last visit to Schiele or 13 at worst, to actually finish the quest.

[Anonymous No.3253461]

>>3253419
Just like he can buff himself you can debuff him. It is the biggest advantage for everyone to have their own class of weapons.

[Anonymous No.3253470]

>>3253329

Nevermind, I just tried it myself, it works perfectly.

[Anonymous No.3253542]

So I killed off Therese in the Sealed Cave and picked up Aries who has wind and water. With Leon's light and Gerard's fire, is that good start for learning magic across the board, save for earth? Or should I kill off James and pick up Emerald too?

[Anonymous No.3253565]

>>3250642
Yeah, they are dummied out, they could only be accessed via Gameshark/PAR.

And yes, I was the one who fucking ripped the fucking sprites for the entire trilogy hero wise

I used a site called Code frontier to tinker around of who the lead character was to easily rip them. (I think I fucked up the Light Infantry Male though, I had trouble reading moon to figure out the right palette code due to the damned PAR code being 2 lines. Being the unit modifier and the name of the unit)

I do not know what I was thinking when I did rip them though, maybe trying to give the franchise some new light... my method of reasoning is odd.

You can thank that Michael Fantasy video for introducing me to the franchise via the music it used

[Anonymous No.3254074]

>>3253058
>I was wondering if it was just items, because if Leon got Soul Steal, that'd just be weird.

Yeah, pretty much.

>it'd be an interesting premise if starting New Game+ was actually beginning an alternate timeline where Leon sparked dodge Soul Steal without having to sacrifice himself.

The problem with such a timeline is that Gerard doesn't get the determination to face Kujinshi, which is one of the biggest plot points of the game, it would also make the role of inheritance magic and Oaive much less important.

>>3253314
>Minion Scorn at Twinmoon is IMPOSSIBLE at low ER.

You just need the right tactics, Minions always shit on you at first because you don't know how to handle them.

This Anon>>3253343 basically gave out all the important stuff to use, remember, you need to understand how the game works, you have all the tools you need to win at any time, on any kind of ER.
Don't give up Anon, that's not even the hardest low ER boss battle.
>>3253542
>is that good start for learning magic across the board, save for earth?

Sure, Wind Magic has the best basic spell in terms of attack power and JP balance, Missile Guard is a must have for a lot of fights and there's nice utilities like Wind God Sword, Water is strictly support however, no attack spell save for Fusion spells, but at 35 proficiency you'll unlock Quicktime, which is basically the cheat engine of RomaSaGa 2.

Emerald, like her class, is a Fire+Wind user, so there's no need to have her around since Gerard already has Fire and Aries has Wind, moreover, like Aries, she's extremely frail.

You're severely unbalancing your party if you do that though, you need someone that can attack with melee reliably and also build General Proficiency over time, Magic isn't a good offensive tool until late in the game, and it's still easier to deal bigger damage with weapons.
>>3253565
>I was the one who fucking ripped the fucking sprites for the entire trilogy hero wise
Kudos to you anon, you did good.

[Anonymous No.3254094]

>>3254074
>Don't give up Anon, that's not even the hardest low ER boss battle.
I pulled through in the end, as I said. But it was mostly blind luck.
It was all fairly smooth from then on.
I cleared the Vampires and -started- Soulgutter and somehow managed to stay in ER11.
I figure I'll do Water Rite next and then Assassins. And then this time I'll try to delay Jewel Beast's awakening long enough to be ready to kill it while it sleeps. But I hear the battles to do that are also pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.3254131]

Who's RS2's character sprite artist?
RS1 and RS3 share some similarities with FF5 and FF6, but RS2...I can't see it.

[Anonymous No.3254140]

>>3254094
>I cleared the Vampires and -started- Soulgutter and somehow managed to stay in ER11.

Soulgutter's a piece of cake as long as you follow the advice from that one guy, I don't need to tell you who he is right? Though you can also bruteforce it if you've got a strong setup, just make sure you can cure petrification and heal often, Soulgutter has very high defense and specializes in shutting down and killing characters, moreover, he's a ghost type.

Since you've killed the vampire you have the Grail now, it's a very powerful tool that can also be exploited with a certain spell, hold on to that, unfortunately you have to make really long trips to recharge it, but it's such a strong tool it's a good gimmick to prevent easy exploits.

>I figure I'll do Water Rite next and then Assassins.

Sounds good, be careful about the Assassin's guild boss fight, it can be brutal if you don't have good equipment and setups.

>But I hear the battles to do that are also pretty hard.

They're locked high ER battles, so yes, it's a pretty tough challenge since you have to do four of those, the Grail really helps you out since you'll be facing undeads, but keep in mind you'll be fighting monsters that are geared towards heavy tanking and offensive melee beatdown, you'll need a fast setup that can either reliably stun or debuff very quickly or both.

You should also worry about the Emerald of Evil quest, it's another one that can be easily missed, the boss battle is extremely tough if you don't have a certain spell though, and even if you do it can still be an uphill fight.

[Anonymous No.3254159]

>>3254140
I had to look up which was the Emerald one, but man that one is one hell of a fight. When he used that Earth Veil or what ever it is I knew I had to get that spell. Time came for the final boss and guess what happened. Saruin insta killed one of my guys, revived him AND GUESS WHAT. EARTH VEIL ON SARUIN AND THEN THE TURN AFTER DID THE MULTI-TARGET AX SKILL. You could imagine my face after that.

[Anonymous No.3254186]

>>3254159
>You could imagine my face after that.
Ah, it's a classic, tons of 4komas have been made about that since RomaSaGa 2, the seven heroes didn't even need to kill you in that case as long as you had unprotected male characters with that spell equipped.
Like, good luck beating something with 100KHP, regens 999 HP each turn, can attack up to seven times in a row and charms your mage to use that spell on them on the very first turn.

Then again, Saruin's Animate Dead is nastier as you can't cure a character which was reanimated, what's worse than that is that reanimated characters don't stop until they get KO'd, you can't target your allies for attacks and it's very possible Saruin will chain Animate Dead on whoever dies and keep them locked into Animate Dead state if you're not fast enough, a literal nightmare to fight on his 10 FS version.

[Anonymous No.3254279]

>>3245507
Anyone tried this method yet?

[Anonymous No.3254302]

>>3250010
Yeah, as everyone already said, they are dummied out characters.

The first one has no name.
The second one is Oaibu (オアイーブ)
The third one, Watashijin (しじん)

More info and stats here:
http://www.geocities.jp/hboh2511/ract/chara/event.htm

[Anonymous No.3254323]

>>3254302
>The second one is Oaibu (オアイーブ)

So Oaive was supposed to be a playable character at some point?

That's interesting, though that sprite kinda clashes with her concept art.

It's safe to assume all of the three are actually members of the Ancient Ones.

Giving them slightly modified sprites of basic units was kinda lame though.

[Anonymous No.3254331]

>>3254323
>So Oaive was supposed to be a playable character at some point?

Probably. This site shows 3 more characters, all of them share Oaive's sprite, but only one has unique stats:

http://kaerulabo.web.fc2.com/rs2/data/chara_data_special.html

Since they were dummied out, chances are that the names were assigned to the wrong characters.

[Anonymous No.3254339]

>>3248539
Epee users are shit and you really should get a few mages in your team. Also get in formation, it's great early on when you have no techs.

[Anonymous No.3254352]

>>3254331
>Since they were dummied out, chances are that the names were assigned to the wrong characters.

Seeing how Toma was also in the dummied out data as a playable character I don't think that's the case.

After all, lore and story wise Oaive has some good reasons to be a playable character along with the other two guys, supposing they're indeed both Ancient Ones, which seems likely considering the costume colors.
What I don't get is why she has a fighter costume when she's supposed to be a mage, having generic NPC stats doesn't really help either.

I wonder if she'll become a playable character in a possible future remake, Minstrel Song did add quite a few characters, having Oaive join in the last generation with three buddies wouldn't be a bad idea.

I also hope that the incoming RomaSaGa 3 remaster will have some extra characters, with the recent trends of both Emperor and Imperial giving you both Volcano and the Professor it would sure be nice if you could recruit them, an optional fight against the mayor of Kidlant would be a nice touch too.

[Anonymous No.3254386]

>>3254352

>I also hope that the incoming RomaSaGa 3 remaster will have some extra characters, with the recent trends of both Emperor and Imperial giving you both Volcano and the Professor it would sure be nice if you could recruit them

I wonder if they'll fix the MC replace glitch. I have fun with it at times because it changes the stats of characters depending on your role and weapon choice at the start of the game.

This can have interesting effects depending on who you choose.

[Anonymous No.3254403]

>>3254386
>I wonder if they'll fix the MC replace glitch.

Who knows, considering they left the chainsaw glitch in the Wonderswan remake I can see them leaving that.

Then again, I still haven't checked if they left the Dragon Pulse exploit/bug in the RomaSaGa 2 remaster.

[Anonymous No.3254429]

>>3254403

Depending on what you choose at the start, and the person you make your MC, stats can vary widely.

[Anonymous No.3254435]

>>3254429
I know, I was in that old thread as well, I'm the one who made the Robin run.

[Anonymous No.3254443]

>>3254435

And I was the guy who made those pictures and got to the end with Shonen (or two of him).

[Anonymous No.3254448]

>>3254443
Yeah, I remember.

Gee Anon, how comes you get THREE Blacks?

[Anonymous No.3254475]

Will we actually get this collaboration in English this time!? No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyFQIEYlW-w

[Anonymous No.3254478]

>>3254448

I'm sure if I got 3 silver hands, this wouldn't be such a bad party composition.

[Anonymous No.3254482]

>>3254475
I doubt it.
>>3254478
If the remaster keeps the bug and lets you get items like RomaSaGa 3, it's a possibility.
That would be pretty exhilarating.

[Anonymous No.3254848]

I apologize for the overthinking but what are you supposed to do in-between quests in Minstrel Song if getting into too many battles can increase your ER? I've been playing for a while and have had to resort to using a guide for quests that I triggered but then didn't know how to progress; Patrick's money laundering was the first one. Turns out I had to check out the sewers in Melvir despite the quest being in initiated in another town but I wouldn't have known that if not for the guide.

Assuming that this means you're practically forced to explore in addition to completing quests but you're not encouraged to grind, what if my ER increases? Would those older quests that I forgot to progress be locked? Am I just underestimating the importance of NPCs?

Also, how important are skills and classes? Since I need jewels to advance those and quests are the main supplier of those, it seems. I'm having fun despite all this, not knowing how to play the game is exciting but I don't want to end up with an unwinnable game eventually.

[Anonymous No.3254853]

This game looks pretty coo, found some old screen caps

Aidanlphotography.weebly.com

[Anonymous No.3254868]

>>3254848
>Assuming that this means you're practically forced to explore in addition to completing quests but you're not encouraged to grind, what if my ER increases? Would those older quests that I forgot to progress be locked?
I feel like people really overstate the "dangers of raising ER" here and maybe in other places.

You seriously don't have to complete every single quest in the game per playthrough and in fact it's going to make future playthroughs really boring because you're going to be doing the same quests over with nothing new to entice you.

When they say don't grind, all it means is "don't run around in a circle for 5 hours fighting battles for no reason", as long as you're accomplishing something other than fighting battles for the sake of it, you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.3254890]

So I avenged Gerard's father (I guess?) and was asked to build an orchard. I never built the magic research center. Do I still have a chance to unlock it, or am I screwed?

[Anonymous No.3254903]

>>3254478

So I started a new game in RS2 and killed off Therese in one battle (using balms to revive her and avoided having anyone else die) so I can pick up Aries for the watchman cave. I can work on four schools of magic in the meanwhile.

[Anonymous No.3254912]

>>3254903

Crap, I meant to reply to >>3254482 instead of myself, also...

>>3254890

I've heard that you need at least 15 JP (magic points basically) in order to get the offer to build the magic research center, plus 1 million gold.

[Anonymous No.3254952]

So how has it been the experience so far? How does it compare to FF ?

[Anonymous No.3254973]

>>3254952

>compared to FF

Romancing SaGa is completely non-linear (practically a Japanese-made WRPG) with a much different battle system that punishes you for grinding and is challenging throughout the game (unless you know how to abuse everything). The story isn't as dense as FF, it's more about finding different events and quests within the overall framework of the setting. If you want to get a feel for how it is, you could try 3 on the SNES or either of the PSX SaGa Frontier titles.

[Anonymous No.3254979]

>>3244938
>making the game bullshit hard and borderline unwinnable

>>3254973
>system that punishes you for grinding

Not the anon you're quoting, but oh man, that sounds bad.
In these kind of games I like to stay in a place for awhile and grind my stats/skills. Am I screwed if I overgrind? No tricks?

[Anonymous No.3254983]

>>3254973
Thanks, but i have played RS 1, i want to know exactly how it is 2, and now that you mention, how does it compare to 1 ? I know that in 1 the more you grind the harder the creatures gets, and you can potentially miss some events. Is this still true in 2?

[Anonymous No.3255068]

>that spoiler in the english RS2 website

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/romasaga2/en/assets/img/s3_ballon1_img.gif

Fuck.

[Anonymous No.3255116]

>>3254979
It's more a case of it being more important to make money and find treasure and learn abilities than it is to strictly "get stronger". The problem is that most games you can just get stronger than the enemy, while in these games you are a tiny little human and your enemy is a giant, you are not going to beat him at arm wrestling. The point of all this is that you can't simply ignore tactics and brute force anything, nobody is going to let you sit around and go full retard.

[Anonymous No.3255190]

Wew, lots of questions here, that's good.

>what are you supposed to do in-between quests in Minstrel Song if getting into too many battles can increase your ER?

Gathering materials to forge or upgrade weapons is always a good idea, that's why you invest in classes with field skills related to gathering and exploring.

> Would those older quests that I forgot to progress be locked?

Yep, also, if you exit the city or sleep in an inn after triggering Patrick's quest at night you're locked out.

>Also, how important are skills and classes?

They're of absolutely vital importance, only Rosalian Mages can fuse up to three spells, Castle Knights are the best tanks in the game and have very high bonuses in triggering defense skills, Martial Artists are amazing at lowering AP requirements in a lot of useful weapon types, certain classes also let you learn field skills such as climb or jump in a batch of other abilities, which is pretty good, and trust me, you need stuff like Jump, Climb or mining if you want to progress at all.

>not knowing how to play the game is exciting but I don't want to end up with an unwinnable game eventually.

Understandable, but SaGa is a series that requires more raw practice than just thinking long and hard, you can follow a guide all you want but you often don't realize the importance of a lot of things until you see them directly and experiment with them, besides, guides are no fun in a series like this.

Don't worry about making a 100% playthrough, SaGa doesn't force you to complete all sidequests and meticulously minmax, even the hardest bosses don't require OP stuff like Overdive, the only thing that requires you to minmax is optional challenges like full powered final bosses, and even then, only the Egg in SaGa Frontier 2and 10 FS Saruin force you to be batman prepared.

Just take it easy and have fun, there's 8 characters for you to play with, what you missed in a playthrough you'll get in another one, getting gud is part of the fun.

[Anonymous No.3255192]

>>3255190
>only Rosalian Mages can fuse up to three spells
Not that guy and this might seem like a very newbie question, but... How does spell fusion work? I switched to Rosalian Mage but couldn't figure out how to fuse spells.

[Anonymous No.3255201]

>>3255190
>Martial Artists are amazing at lowering AP requirements in a lot of useful weapon types
Their ability to trigger Surge/Reverse more reliably makes them probably my favorite class. If your jewel counter is high enough you can absolutely just field a party of nothing but Martial Artists, and then just spam surge/reversable techniques for auto-combos

They also get to use Scimitars, Staves, and Pole-Arms, so it basically doesn't even matter that they don't get any magic schools, you get all the channeling weapons you'll ever actually need.

[Anonymous No.3255212]

>>3255192
You can only fuse one spell at a time. You can do it anywhere as long as you have a Rosalian Mage/Imperial Scholar. You take one base spell and add a second spell to change it's power/cost/added-effects, and sometimes this yields a completely different spell.

One way to steamroll basically 80% of the game is to just get an imperial scholar ASAP and spam cheap Snowstorms every single fight

[Anonymous No.3255217]

Why are japs so obsessed with RocBouquet?

[Anonymous No.3255231]

>>3254890
>Do I still have a chance to unlock it, or am I screwed?
Sure, grind some magic proficiency on your emperor, having aroung 20JP would be enough to access the upgrade I guess you also need one million crowns.

>How does it compare to FF?
Like a fruit salad to apples.

While SaGa is the sister series she's kind of a taciturn yandere sister who's also into femdom, you know FFII? Crank it up to over 9000.

>>3254979
>In these kind of games I like to stay in a place for awhile and grind my stats/skills.
The GB trilogy is what you'll find enjoyable, those games still don't punish you for grinding like the series does from the Romancing trilogy onwards, you can keep grinding as much as you like, you'll just end up not receiving stat bonuses anymore and you'll be forced to get to new areas to get stronger.
>>3254983
>Is this still true in 2?
Oh yes, actually, it's much worse since now even story bosses can change forms and get MUCH stronger if you try to grind too much or take certain choices during certain quests.

>how does it compare to 1 ?

No multiple MCs, game is mostly composed by generics and you're forced to deal with the flow of time, your team WILL die and you'll be periodically forced to reassemble and rebuild it.

The game introduced a lot of fundamental mechanics to the series such as sparking/glimmering, focus on magic as toolset and a lot of other stuff, it's a considerable step forward compared to RomaSaGa 1, almost a completely different game in many regards.

The game is also extremely ruthless, it is regarded by many as one of the toughest RPGs of its time, you have to be REALLY careful about every single thing you do, included what you equip, the game's full of dickass traps just waiting to fuck you over, and it's beautiful.

But it's really not for everyone, it's extremely non linear, hard and deliberately designed to kill you over and over, play it only if you really like games with deep gameplay, exotic mechanics and no hand holding.

[Anonymous No.3255238]

>>3255217
Strong, dominant females only exist in fiction and are one of the reasons some people only like 2D.

[Anonymous No.3255252]

>>3255192
>How does spell fusion work? I switched to Rosalian Mage but couldn't figure out how to fuse spells.
Read the manual
You need to select three spells from your menu, you also need to know which spells do have a fusion spell, otherwise you'll just end up with a powered up version of the base spell.
>>3255201
Yeah, Martial Artists are basically your go to shit slappers, quite possibly the single best offensive oriented class together with Dragonites, and much easier to get than Dragonites.
>>3255212
>and spam cheap Snowstorms every single fight
>Snowstorm
FOUL THIEF

TASTE THE KEEN EDGE OF JUSTICE
>>3255217
Who's not obsessed with a cute ghostly dominatrix imouto?

[Anonymous No.3255257]

Anon who restarted here, just beat Kzinccie or however the fuck they romanized that. I was able to build the magic research facility with Gerard at 5 fire and 5 light with no other spell casters on the team. I think this attempt is gonna be a lot smoother than the last one.

[Anonymous No.3255282]

>>3255257

>Made him jump up the wall

This is some rpgmaker shit, I love it.

[Anonymous No.3255286]

>>3255257
>however the fuck they romanized that.
The translator used the terrible new romanization made by japs who obviously don't know how to Hepburn.

The name's Kujinshi, the Seven Heroes are named using partial anagrams of the seven big metro stations of the Yamanote line in Tokyo.

Kujinshi=Shinjuku
Noel=Ueno
Rocbouquet=Ikebukuro
Wagnas=Shinagawa
Subier=Ebisu
Bokuohn=Shin-Okubo
Dantarg=Gotanda

What's worse is that the guy obviously didn't know that since he rightfully corrected Gellard to Gerard, but didn't know about the references, then again, if you understood that the royals have french names and could see through "Gellard" why use something you already knew it was very probably a wrong romanization? Oh well.

[Anonymous No.3255312]

>>3255282
>This is some rpgmaker shit, I love it.

That's actually a meme from the original SNES game, they left it because it's a fan favourite, much like they left the chainsaw glitch in SaGa 1.

[Anonymous No.3255318]

>>3255312

>pic

[Anonymous No.3255321]

>>3255318

That's not the gif I thought it was gonna be. Whoop.

[Anonymous No.3255485]

>>3254979
If you grind in JRPGs you are playing them in a way that deliberately makes them less fun.

[Anonymous No.3255539]

>>3255485
But grinding is fun for me, man.

[Anonymous No.3255541]

>>3255539
I guess if you like it.

[Anonymous No.3255561]

>>3255539
Yea, grinding on that BBC, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.3255587]

>>3254979
>>3255539
Due to the way the mechanics are grinding isn't as effective as progressing. If you keep progressing you will fight enemies and bosses that are strong but won't demolish your party. Due to character growth mechanics you get higher chances for stat increases after battle and learning skills from stronger foes so staying around killing weaker enemies or what are strong enemies into weaker enemies due to how focused you are grinding them. None-the-less the mentioned battle rank already which can screw you over.

The SaGa series isn't for everyone, it harbors a lot of different mechanics that other JRPG's just don't have. You might not like some of the mechanics that the games feature but other people may actually like them.

[Anonymous No.3255595]

you know what could improve jrpgs greatly? if you could run from battles before loading the combat screen

[Anonymous No.3255713]

>>3255595

At least with rs2, the flee rate sems to be about 100%.

[Anonymous No.3255804]

>>3255595
Having non random encounters is the best compromise for me.

Besides, SaGa lets you flee from even most boss battles without problems, except Frontier since you can't flee from anything there, it's straight up heaven or hell.

[Anonymous No.3256026]

i just beaten ff legend, just for fun i killed the creator twice. the first was legit and the second i just cutted him in half with a chainsaw

[Anonymous No.3256432]

>>3255804
Holy shit there have been times in Frontier where I wiped because I selected the wrong party and couldn't run

Shit gets real, and sometimes I just don't even recruit more than 5 characters or use all my parties equally just because I know I'm going to slam it that run and go in dry.

[Anonymous No.3256435]

>>3256026
"went to pieces" is such a rad way of phrasing

[Anonymous No.3256654]

Gotta love making Galahad join just to take his Ice Sword and dump him right away. Never has the sad gesture of the Minstrel booting someone been more appropiate.

[Anonymous No.3256696]

>>3256654
I prefer to kill him and then revive him later

teaches that bald bitch a lesson

[Anonymous No.3256706]

>>3256696
I'll consider going evil in a potential third playthrough. Probably Jamil as MC.

[Anonymous No.3256742]

>>3256706
Honestly I feel like Gray or Aisha or Sif would be more likely.

[Anonymous No.3256754]

So for the first Romancing Saga, is it just recommended to go right to the PS2 version? If so, should I hold off on playing it until I played a few other games in the series?

[Anonymous No.3256770]

>>3256754
they're really not the same game

[Anonymous No.3256783]

>>3256770
Yeah, but most people in other threads were just saying to ignore the SNES game and go right to PS2, but I'm assuming the PS2 version should be held off on playing vs other older games.

[Anonymous No.3256792]

>>3256783
It's really not that historically significant. In terms of games even it's fine to play RS2 and never play RS

you could guess and get most of it right.

like you wanna act like this is a big important thing, I get that

but really none of this is important, nobody has done anything important with this yet

[Anonymous No.3256797]

>>3256783
>the PS2 version should be held off on playing vs other older games

Not really. It's a SaGa. You can play it at any time you want as long as you understand the basic mechanics.
You navigate a 3D space instead of the usual 2D backgrounds, but that's really the only significant difference.
... with a fixed camera that wants you to run into enemies, I should probably add!

[Anonymous No.3256983]

Hey guys, anon playing RS3 for the first time here. I got to the dungeon in the lobster village thing, but I don't know how to proceed in there. I was able to get to a dead end with like three chests, but that's all. I've been inspecting all the walls but there is nothing either Anyone mind helping me here? The fishes are really annoying as well, and I'm running out of TP and TPotions by trying to find a way forward.

[Anonymous No.3257005]

>>3256983
You should be able to talk to one of the lobster guys in that village and he will give you the coordinates to Forneus' underwater palace.

[Anonymous No.3257018]

>>3257005
Yeah, I did get those, but I was talking about the dungeon to the left because the lobster guys mention a water dragon (which I just found).

[Anonymous No.3257032]

>>3256983
Which patch are you using? All the ones at RHDN say unfinished aside from the Spanish and Chinese ones.

[Anonymous No.3257042]

>>3257032
Mana Sword's patch. So far every dialog was translated. There are a few things that are still in Japanese like the small battle texts, but it's very minor.

Also, I feel like an idiot right now; I accidentally removed Double Dragon from Sharl while he was still mastering it.

[Anonymous No.3257047]

>>3256983
>>3257032
Looking through the readme's, probably Sword of Mana's?

Any crashes or issues? If I get around to it, I'd like to play it on my flash cart without having to worry about needing savestates or something because of patch bugs.

[Anonymous No.3257049]

>>3257047
Nope, everything's been fine so far. I'm playing on bsnes 0.70, which is fairly accurate, so it should work.

[Anonymous No.3257051]

>>3257049
Alright, then. Thanks for the info, guy!

[Anonymous No.3257106]

>>3255217
I can't possibly see any reason why that is the case.

[Anonymous No.3257286]

>>3256654
>Never has the sad gesture of the Minstrel booting someone been more appropiate.

Actually, you can bring him to Flame Tyrant/Pyrix and trigger this scene for MAXIMUM TROLLING.

>>3256983
One of the lobster folks will give you Forneus' palace coordinates.
Also, if you don't beat the Water Dragon the Island will eventually disappear after a certain event, that means you can't recruit Boston and if he dies you won't be able to take him back in you party.

Also, just so you know, Manasword's patch is largely garbage, it's mostly machine translated, meaning all of the characters lost their personality, a lot of the dialogues that change depending on the characters are neutered to one basic dialogue which sounds horrible too,a lot of stuff is just plain wrong...So if you're wondering why the writing is kinda bad, it's Manasword's fault.

[Anonymous No.3257408]

>>3255804
>When you learn all the different enemies patterns and juke them out
Especially in RS:MS, all the enemies are faster than you. I just love that each type has its own pattern instead of the standard run straight into you.

>>3256696
I killed him my first time... actually my first time he one shot my party because I didn't know what I was getting into.
>>3256754
The PS2 version of Romancing SaGa is a remake, has many mechanics that didn't exist in the SaGa series from Romancing SaGa 2 and on wards. Also apparently it is less grating with a much lower enemy count on the maps so you can actually avoid enemies.

If you want to play the original SNES version go ahead, but the PS2 remake in my opinion would be the definitive version.

>>3257286
I never recruited him when he had the ice sword, and he thought he was going to actually do something good by trying to slay Pyrix.

[Anonymous No.3257485]

>>3257408
>I just love that each type has its own pattern instead of the standard run straight into you.

That's possibly one of the best things about the idea of non random encounters in the series.
Since RomaSaGa 2 enemies all have distinct patterns instead of just using a simple follow script with erratic behaviours, ghosts turn invisible, fling enemies are fast and charge at you on straight lines, slimes are slow and erratic, humanoids can run up to you and catch up with you by dashing, as long as you learn how the different monster families behave you can avoid them more easily.

And again, even if you trigger an encounter you can flee with 100% success rate anyway unlike other games, which is kind of strange when you think about it considering Kawazu and Takai's love for rolls, you'd think they put a roll for escape success chances too.
>>3257408
>actually my first time he one shot my party because I didn't know what I was getting into.

Yet another foul thief tasted the Keen Edge of Justice™.

>and he thought he was going to actually do something good by trying to slay Pyrix.

The Ice Sword can innately break through Flame Tyrant/Pyrix's natural -self Burning, so if you decide to be a dick and not give him the Ice Sword Galahad can actually tear his asshole apart, especially since he's naturally a very good attacker.

[Anonymous No.3257513]

>>3257485
Even a 100% chance to flee in RS2? No penalty? I know in RS:MS there is a 100% chance but you have to spend a life point for every member in your party to run away.

[Anonymous No.3257523]

>>3257513
>Even a 100% chance to flee in RS2?
100%, even from most bosses.

As I said, only Frontier locks you into battles, SaGa in general doesn't give much shits if you want to flee except a few games, it can still kill you later in tons of different ways.

>No penalty?
The moment you entered the battle the penalty already kicked in, though this is just RomaSaGa 2, the Battle Rank here increases each time you simply enter a battle, no matter whether you win, lose or run away, each battle is a penalty in its own way.

[Anonymous No.3257545]

>>3257408
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was looking for on an opinion of RS:MS. I think I'll hold off on it until I at least get through the older games and SaGa Frontier. Thanks, mate.

[Anonymous No.3257558]

>>3257545
The thing is that the Gameboy games and Frontier both have race mechanics that the other games don't have so even if you play the Romancing SaGa remake first there are still aspects in the other games you may not get to experience. Though it really doesn't matter, it is just suggested to not play Unlimited first. There really isn't a set way to play the SaGa series like there isn't a set way to progress in some of these games.

[Anonymous No.3257640]

>>3257558
Oh, I figured as much. I'm just kind of autistic about order. Thanks again everyone.

[Anonymous No.3257663]

>>3257640
You're welcome, it's always good to see new people interested in the series.

[Anonymous No.3257813]

Holy shit, fights in Minstrel Song get intense. I was thinking that the game was a bit slow-paced compared to what I've seen of it. I thought I had to git gud but I didn't want to use a walkthrough.

Do things just rev up after you pass a certain ER? Because all of a sudden everyone in my party is letting out combo after combo which is pretty annoying since they're sometimes wasting turns in weak random encounters and not creating the ones I want, like: hellfire rapid volley. Diana's proving to be a beast and everyone is getting stat increases like crazy.

I'm in love with this game.

[Anonymous No.3257845]

>>3257813
>Do things just rev up after you pass a certain ER?
Kind of, at max ER you'll start to fight batches of enemies which might be very likely on a minor boss level, rare Crowned enemies are also there if you feel like having a challenge, though they're new game+ material.

>Because all of a sudden everyone in my party is letting out combo after combo

Combos have specific chaining rules, as long as you understand which move has which property and how to properly chain them you can pretty much combo 24/7, besides, since you said you're getting combos easily it's better for you to try and set up Vortex combos now rather than simply chaining up standard combos, though of course that would mean setting up your characters on a slightly deeper level, which includes using proper formations.

>I'm in love with this game.

That's good, prepare to waste hours on it, once you get in the SaGa groove you can hardly put it down, there's so much stuff to learn and experiment with. I'd tell you to also play Unlimited as it has probably the deepest growth and battle system in the series, but it's a kind of a love-hate entry because it becomes extremely abstract in nature and very tabletop like and most rules are very "peculiar", it's better if you leave it last to not potentially ruin your opinion of the series.

Welcome to the family Anon.

[Anonymous No.3257893]

Is there any point to try RS after RS:MS ?

[Anonymous No.3257909]

>>3257893
"Historical purposes", I guess.

[Anonymous No.3258370]

>>3257893
this>>3257909

It does have one thing over MS, there's a little bit more dialogues for certain quests, for instance, if you're doing the quest related to freeing the Gecklings as Hawke, he says that the whole thing was set up by Butcher, something he doesn't mention in MS.

But the game's so clunky and archaic you'll hardly have fun after playing MS, the GB SaGa are much easier to get into and play much better than SNES RomaSaGa 1.

[Anonymous No.3258387]

>>3258370
Well, i tried RS 1 and FFL 1 and i can back up that. Maybe with FFL 2 ...

[Anonymous No.3258457]

>want to play RS2
>pay for RS2
>no storage space

Time to upgrade.

[Anonymous No.3258460]

>>3258457

It's only like a hundred-something megabytes, can't you just delete some other apps?

[Anonymous No.3258474]

>>3244163
>Romancing Salsa

[Anonymous No.3258491]

>>3258457
>>no storage space

That's something you really don't expect to see these days.

Ah, the good days of 512MB mp3 players...

[Anonymous No.3258495]

>>3258491

>tfw my phone has 15 gigs of music on a 16gig card

time to make storage space

[Anonymous No.3258545]

So I guess when an entry in the Imperial Log ends in "but the Emperor failed to learn more," it means that I fought too many battles/did too many other quests and ran out of time on this one? Tough stuff.

[Anonymous No.3258550]

Can any blackberry users report on how well RS2 for android plays with BB10? I have a BB Classic so things are a bit hit or miss. Keyboard support would be a dream but I know better than to expect it. Does it support controllers at least?

[Anonymous No.3258553]

>>3258495
if you're feeling crazy, Amazon is selling 200GB microSD cards for 60 bucks right now.

[Anonymous No.3258571]

>>3258553

Oh damn, I'm gonna have to jump on that.

[Anonymous No.3258583]

>>3258545
>it means that I fought too many battles/did too many other quests and ran out of time on this one?
it never happened to me, but I know how the quests are supposed to work.

Keep in mind that the records are simply triggered by NPC conversations sometimes, I suppose that something a bit more cryptic like the Mermaid quest can leave new players a bit puzzled when they see the entry in the records but can't seem to even find the quest.

If you can tell me the title of the quests or give me the context I can help you out though.
>>3258553
>Amazon is selling 200GB microSD cards for 60 bucks right now.
>Vita is still locked to just 64GB

fug

[Anonymous No.3258606]

How many schools of magic can a character learn? I'd like to make one character universal while others can specialize in a school or two.

[Anonymous No.3258641]

>>3257813
>Do things just rev up after you pass a certain ER?
It always goes up. You get enemies that do AoE damage with an attack that sometimes almost kills your guys then suddenly you are fighting enemies that hit everyone or just out right one shot them with PRESSURIZED DRILL or what not.

Thankfully due to the combat system and regenerating battle points per turn the game allows you to go more all out on regular enemies.

In some of the other games you could get some very nasty surprises from the next battle rank or just certain enemies. Like in SaGa Frontier when you first encounter enemies like mandrakes, bats, crystal trees, or liches. They will pull something out on you and you will be flabbergasted by how easily they wrecked you.

Thankfully it is the SaGa series and it actually allows you to save anywhere SINCE THE FIRST INSTALLMENT. That just irritates me that even today some JRPG's on a handheld don't even give you the option to save anywhere.

[Anonymous No.3258654]

>>3258606
Three, non opposing schools of magic

>I'd like to make one character universal

No can do

>while others can specialize in a school or two.

Hardly a good choice in this context, it's better to have more tools than relying on a single set.

My suggestion are:

Always have three schools of magic on every character for obvious reasons.

Always have healing spells ready.

Specialize good casters in one offensive field of magic, Fire/Light/Dark are pretty good choices for that, have some school that can heal, like Earth/Light/Water and then consider that you'll need buffs and fusion spells, so have a few characters specialized in defensive or support buffs, non casters are the best choice for that since their low Magic scores prevent them from being good offensive casters.

[Anonymous No.3258679]

>>3258654

Only 3? I was hoping that I could make one of the mages my emperor to have them inherit Fire/Light, but I guess that's not happening. Good thing I asked.

Magic seems to be very useful even on characters that would never normally specialize on it, especially if it's a buff that doesn't require training for damage like an offensive spell would, unless training increases the duration.

[Anonymous No.3258717]

>>3258641
>That just irritates me that even today some JRPG's on a handheld don't even give you the option to save anywhere.

That's a rather archaic design choice that's supposed to make the game more "difficult" for certain game designers.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to realize that tons of pathetically easy random encounters only wear down the player's patience rather than their characters, which are always able to steamroll everything for free with no penalties whatsoever, so the point of enduring a gauntlet of battles to reach a checkpoint is utterly laughable and more irritating than challenging.

Luckily, both Kawazu and his team understood this far earlier than most designers.

>>3258679

>I was hoping that I could make one of the mages my emperor to have them inherit Fire/Light,

You can do that, each new Emperor inherits the skills of the previous ones, including magic, not to mention, if the current emperor has low personal level proficiencies but your current general Proficiency is higher than that, if you make a caster as your next emperor you get quite a few free proficiency levels in Magic.

It's actually a well known and reliable strategy to make your emperor a Tactician as soon as you get the class to have some free ride on their obscene Magic proficiency levels, given your general Proficiency level is high enough to do that of course.

>Magic seems to be very useful even on characters that would never normally specialize on it

As I said before, magic is absolutely a vital tool in here, besides, buffs and raw tools like Quicktime, Missile Guard or Wind God Sword don't need high magic scores to work.

[Anonymous No.3258985]

Is Romancing SaGa 2 playable on Bluestacks

[Anonymous No.3259107]

What did she mean by this?

[Anonymous No.3259137]

>>3257845
>set up Vortex combos now rather than simply chaining up standard combos, though of course that would mean setting up your characters on a slightly deeper level, which includes using proper formations
Not that guy, but I definitely need to research that. I've been lazy and relied on the random chance that I set up the proper sequence to get a combo going.
I also -heard- about vortex combos, but never figured out how to get them going.

[Anonymous No.3259156]

>>3257893
It's a different kind of challenge, really. The system works in a slightly different way. See: LP, lack of auto-heal after battles and the number of roaming monsters, among other things.
I think it has its own charm despite the minor annoyances it has.
Though in my own experience I ran into quest-trigger bugs that made completing them impossible.

[Anonymous No.3259347]

>>3258717
>Unfortunately, they don't seem to realize that tons of pathetically easy random encounters only wear down the player's patience rather than their characters, which are always able to steamroll everything for free with no penalties whatsoever, so the point of enduring a gauntlet of battles to reach a checkpoint is utterly laughable and more irritating than challenging.
Meh. I think it's a legit design paradigm.

The issue is that designers don't actually create tough randoms in a lot of them, which makes it pointless to limit saves if they aren't going to be a threat.

[Anonymous No.3259582]

For the poorfags, I found this list of steps for getting the APK to work on actual phones, but I haven't actually tested it out because I'm lazy

>You definitely need to be on a rooted device, otherwise you will not be able to use the xposed module or patch the Android Patch manually with Lucky Patcher.
>You need the newest version of chelpus Lucky Patcher installed, which is ver. 6.22.
>If you have xposed framework available on your device, you will want to use Lucky Patchers xposed module, since this is the most confortable way, without having to patch system files. Simply activate the xposed module in xposed installer and reboot your device, so that the changes can take place, and only then you install the games apk and copy the data folder to /sdcard/android/obb.
>If you dont have xposed, then you must apply the Android Patch manually with Lucky Patcher, and you probably also need to replace the Playstore with the modified one from chelpus. (thats why the xposed way is preferable and more hassle free) Also here you only install the apk after you have done the patching, otherwise it won't work.
>If you did everything correctly, then the game should pass without a problem the authentication window at the start (it takes a little time) If the error message appears, (which is immediately) then you definitely did something wrong and have to check the steps again.

[Anonymous No.3259712]

>>3259137
* Scissors (Amut&Eres)
-Both Characters must be on same row and use Dash Attacks

* Pillar (Death, Saruin, Schirach)
-All characters must either attack in order of Front-Front-Middle, or Middle-Middle-Back, using Non Dash Attacks

* Dragon (Yucomb)
- All Characters must attack in order of Front-Middle-Back and must all be using Dash or Non Dash in the same turn (Will remain unlocked on Future Playthroughs if you clear the Dragon Knight Quest)

* Demon (Cyril)
- Replace the attacks in Dragon with Spells

* Phantom (Mirsa)
- No specific attacks, but must be in order of Front-Middle-Middle-Back

* Wheel (Elore)
- No specific attacks, but must be in order of Front-Back-Back-Middle-Middle

[Anonymous No.3259980]

Should we make a new thread?

[Anonymous No.3260320]

>>3258985
Yes, I was steaming the other day. Sadly my computer is too archaic to stream rs2 properly.

[Anonymous No.3260409]

>>3259980
That would be nice.
How about some SaGa info the the OP for newcomers?

[Anonymous No.3260418]

>>3260409
>How about some SaGa info the the OP for newcomers?

Like the old times?

I'm on it, let me fetch the old pastebins.

[Anonymous No.3260432]

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>>3260431

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