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The Sega Saturn was fucking shit.

>> No.3230827

It is our future

>> No.3230828
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3230828

Callate hijo de puta, callate

>> No.3230836

>>3230825
what was his problem? why was he such an asshole?

>> No.3230914

Yep. It's total trash. PSX did everything better. The Dreamcast was awesome, though.

For all those who disagree name 5 good exclusives.

>> No.3230920

>>3230914
Dragon Force
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Princess Crown
Sega Rally
Virtua Fighter 2

>> No.3230921

>>3230914
1. S
2. O
3. N
4. I
5. C

>> No.3230924

>>3230836
He was a businessman that did the right business decisions for the time.

Your manga based waifu simulator Saturn import wasn't going to save the console in USA.

>> No.3230940

>>3230914
>PSX did everything better
Reminder that for 2D games, Saturn was generally superior, while N64 was better at 3D than either system.

>> No.3230949

>>3230914
here's six more that the other anon didn't give you:
Nights
Guardian Heroes
Panzer Dragoon
Clockwork Knight
Albert Odyssey
Burning Rangers

>> No.3230962

>>3230825
not in japan it wasn't

but yeah, it was shit in america

>> No.3231310

>>3230924
>manga based waifu simulator
Funny. That sounds more like something right at home for the Playstation than the Saturn.

>> No.3231438

>>3230825
"Hardware" is not our future

>> No.3231442

>>3230940
Reminder that the PS1 crushed them both and won the 5th generation.

>> No.3231794

>>3230924
>He was a businessman that did the right business decisions for the time
This is the motherfucker who left Symphony of the Night in Japan so no he fucking did not

>> No.3231802

>>3231794
The Saturn ver. of SotN isn't anything special.

>> No.3231805

>>3231794
>This is the motherfucker who left Symphony of the Night in Japan so no he fucking did not

It made no reason to translate it when the Saturn userbase in the USA was 10 people at the time.

>> No.3231819

>>3230914
lupin 3: sage of pyramid
radiant silvergun
die hard arcade
steep slope sliders
astal

boom

>> No.3231827

>>3230914
>PSX did everything better
If you consider instantly dated 3d "better" suuure. The fact that the Saturn was a 2d powerhouse has made it's games date immeasurable better, as sprites have timeless charm.

Saturn utterly destroys PSX in retrogaming.

>> No.3231858

>>3231794
That came out in Japan in 1998.

Saturn was already kill in the West by then.

>> No.3231870

>>3230914

Assault Suits Leynos 2
Batsugun
Battle Garegga
Bulk Slash
Cotton 2/Boomerang
Guardian Force
Night Striker S
RayForce
Soukyugurentai

>> No.3231878

>>3230920
>>3230949
>>3231819
>>3231870
and not one worth playing
lol

>> No.3231927

>>3231442
That only matters if you're a mainstream pleb who only plays generic garbage like Final Fagassy, Madden and GTA.

>> No.3231965

>>3231870

those games are shit

>> No.3232408

But you can get drunk and high and play NiGHTS!

>> No.3232494

>>3231794
>muh JRPGs would've save the Saturn

>> No.3232497

>>3231827
>Saturn utterly destroys PSX in retro gaming

Son, you need to stop the drugs

>> No.3232538

>>3230924
>He was a businessman that did the right business decisions for the time.
If that were true, then surely the Saturn would have been a success?

>> No.3232548

>>3232538
Saturn was already dead by the time he came aboard. They screwed that console up literally from release; they were looking for a replacement as early as 1995.

>> No.3232579

The Saturn is a lot like the Vita

In the west its a total pile of shit, but in japan there's maybe a good game or two

>> No.3232761

>>3232579
>In the west its a total pile of shit, but in japan there's maybe a good game or two
But the Vita has more games worth playing this entire gen than any other console barring the PS4.

>> No.3232765

>>3230825
You're right. When the best releases on your console (outside of Japan) are NiGHTS and Panzer Dragoon Saga, you know you've got a problem.

>>3232579
But that's wrong you retard, the Vita is an amazing system even if you restrict yourself to only localized games.

>> No.3232871

>>3232494
>Castlevania
>JRPG
Consider suicide.

>> No.3233065
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>>3230825
Into the trash your opinion goes.

>> No.3233324

>>3231827
PSX = 104 million units sold
Saturn did not even break 10 million.

Saturn had 4 games which sold 1 million copies or more worldwide:

Virtua Cop - shit arcade port with already dated graphics to psx's time crisis. The PSX light gun also was much more accurate.

Daytona USA - botched Saturn port of a old game. Compare to Gran Turismo.

Sega Rally - Daytona USA on dirt. Literally minutes of replay.

Virtua Fighter 2 - The worst Virtua Fighter port that wasn't even done by AM2. Literally the 32X original Virtua Fighter plays better. Such shit compared to Tekken series.

Literally any genre you name there are 10x more games on the Playstation.

The whole world is wrong except for Saturn fanboys apparently.

>> No.3233334

>>3233324
>Daytona USA - botched Saturn port of a old game. Compare to Gran Turismo.
One's an arcade racer and the other is a racing sim. No you can't fucking compare them. Also Daytona USA got several releases on Saturn, one of which was really good.

>> No.3233378

>>3233324
Saturn outsold PlayStation....

....Vita

>> No.3233390

>>3233324
>Virtua Fighter 2 - The worst Virtua Fighter port that wasn't even done by AM2. Literally the 32X original Virtua Fighter plays better. Such shit compared to Tekken series.

Bad bait.

>> No.3233393

lol Saturn was a shit tier console from a shit tier company. helped drive one of the final nails in the coffin. Great job at having few good exclusives and making your top series for literal autists.

SEGA

>> No.3233396

>>3231827
lmao with it's terrible library and autist tier games, it did such a wonderful job of competing.

SEGA!

>> No.3233405

>>3233393
>>3233396
Sonygger centennials, everyone.

We should just ban everything Playstation-related on this board.

>> No.3233437

>>3230825
Is this guy related to bernie sanders?

>> No.3233471

Saturn is a great console (jp library considered), but definitely not for the average pleb.

>>3233393
>>3233396
sup aerosmith-kun

>> No.3233472

>>3233324
>shit arcade port with already dated graphics to psx's time crisis

You know there was like a two year release difference right?

Also the graphics in Time Crisis PS1 are pretty grainy.

>> No.3233495

>>3231878
maybe if you have shit tastes

>> No.3233536

>>3233472
Not a troll, but it's pretty interesting that now a days Saturn seems to have the reputation as an arcade gamers console. As someone who bought a Saturn on that surprise launch day, I remember everyone saying its arcade ports were weak and that the PlayStation was the arcade man's system (i.e Daytona vs Ridge Racer). Makes me happy Saturn's reputation finally turned around in that aspect, at least on the internet.

>> No.3233583

>>3232408
Glad to see I'm not the only one who does this!

I wonder what the Saturn would have been like of they had kept to busting out 2d sweet games, instead of floppy polygon shit.

Although, the media used to whinge about the old style of gameplay and seemed happy to put up with awful looking square chunky 3d models.

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>>3233583
>Glad to see I'm not the only one who does this!

Im willing to bet that at least 25-30 percent of nights fans where under the influence. Not because it's bad it's quite good it's just well.. I mean you played the game.

>> No.3233609

>>3233583
>>3233606

DUDE

>> No.3233638

>>3230825
panzer dragoon
daytona
nights

a system is only as good as it's titles.

>good, just not as good as the PS1

>> No.3233646

>>3233638
and ps1 had

>metal gear solid (overrated)
>final fantasy 7 (overrated)
>uh.....

>> No.3233679

>>3233646
Symphony of the night

>> No.3233686

>>3233679
not exclusive

>> No.3233748

>>3233405
>Sonygger
Would you kindly, fuck off back to /v/ with that shit.

>> No.3233906

>>3231827
>PSX only had better 3D. 2D was better on Saturn.

This is hilariously wrong but often repeated. Check out the shitty transparency on the health bars and the smoke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXu3QiRnMPc

>> No.3233912

>>3233906
You can't just compare one game

>> No.3233916

>>3233906

Is transparency all you can come up with?

Compare Street Fighter Alpha on PS1 and Saturn and see how awfully choppy it is on PS1.
Compare SIlouhette mirage and see how whole background layers are missing on the PS1 that it feels like a whole emptier game.

>> No.3233919

>>3233646
Silent Hill

>> No.3233921

>>3233906
Thunder Force V has better transparencies on Saturn than PSX.

>> No.3233926

>>3233906
>the transparencies meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHHfdeFZRoU
retard

>> No.3233938

>>3233926
>I don't know how to speak English so I'll call everything I don't like a meme

>> No.3233945

>>3233938
The point was that the Saturn also has transparencies, dumb faggot.

>> No.3233960

>>3233945
How does that have anything do with memes, you fucking illiterate moron?

>> No.3233972

>>3233912
>Can't just compare one game.
Okay, how bout Street Fighter Alpha? I always hear how the PSX version looks like garbage compared to the Saturn version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuhBGCu3sI

Or how bout another Capcom fighter that are supposedly much better on Saturn? PSX wins this one. Look at the grainy intro on the Saturn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZgS5N9rau0

Samurai Shodown IV has slightly less loading times on the Saturn, but zero difference in appearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXU30sSbRbc

But Metal Slug has more fluid animation and faster loading times on PSX. Also the Saturn's transparency problem is back on the bar up top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHC7ZtVvRvw

In the Hunt is nearly identical as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ydINrjWwU

>> No.3233976

>>3230825
YOU SHUT YOUR FILTHY MOUTH YOU DISGUSTING NINTENDON'T

>> No.3233980

>>3233960
Your answer was a fucking meme you piece of shit

>> No.3233990

>>3233972
>Street Fighter Alpha
These are mostly similar on both consoles, Alpha 2 however was a lot better on Saturn (much better intro, more detail on backgrounds, more animation)

>Look at the grainy intro on the Saturn.
You don't know what "grainy" means, these look identical with only slightly different colors, and that's probably because of the emulator.


>Samurai Shodown IV has slightly less loading times on the Saturn, but zero difference in appearance.
From the very start i noticed that the animation cut on the PS1 is garbage, just look at that stance.


>But Metal Slug has more fluid animation and faster loading times on PSX.
Are you blind or retarded? you can clearly see how the PS1 version loads in the middle of a level and has even more cut animation (the explosions ie look like shit)

>> No.3234005

>>3233972
>I always hear how the PSX version looks like garbage compared to the Saturn version.

Alpha 1 doesn't exactly push the hardware too hard. Check out Alpha 2 onwards. But I guess that's the reason you haven't linked them.

Even so, Alpha 1 has obviously less frames on PS1 even if the graphics look the same if you aren't paying attention.

>Look at the grainy intro on the Saturn.

FMV is better on PS1 because it's literally a cinema machine. But try comparing the Alpha 2 intro. On Saturn it's beautiful live drawn sprites, while on PS1 they literally put a grainy video of the arcade's intro because it couldn't handle it in real time.

>Samurai Shodown IV has slightly less loading times on the Saturn, but zero difference in appearance.

Sure if you don't notice the difference in frames.

>But Metal Slug has more fluid animation and faster loading times on PSX

lmao

Just check the water. PS1 has like half the frames. It has so few frames the water just flickers. Also the Saturn version doesn't have to do fucking mid-level loads.

>In the Hunt is nearly identical as well.

About the only one I'll give, but this is infamous for not being any better on Saturn.

>> No.3234015

>>3233990
>Alpha 2 is better.
Just like Alpha 1 is better right? Cause I'm noticing that the Saturn version of Alpha cut off the left part of the world on the menu screen. It also is black in the middle on the menu because it can't layer like the PSX.

>IDK what grainy means.
It means jagged compared to smooth. Look at the still pictures of Ken in the intro. Grainy as hell v. smooth.

>Samurai Shodown IV is clearly better on Saturn.
The difference between you and me is I post evidence to back up my claim. The video is there. Identical.

>Metal Slug animation better on the Saturn.
You can tell its worse immediately. Look how many parts of the tank are moving and the speed of it versus the PSX.

Your pathetic hipster console is trash on both 2D and 3D.

Want to compare game libraries instead of minor graphical details?

>> No.3234074

>>3234015
Well i'm noticing that in alpha the PS1 version has some awful black bars in game when the scroll goes up, and that's way worse than the cherrypicked shit you said. Besides nobody play that outdated, Alpha 2 and 3 is where it's at and the Saturn shits on the PS1.

>It means jagged compared to smooth.
They look the fucking same you tryhard, if you want to prove something record in real hardware CRT instead of just a cherrypicked crap emulator.


>The difference between you and me is I post evidence to back up my claim. The video is there. Identical.
The evidence is clear in the animation you dumb piece of shit, not my problem if you are a blind dog

>Look how many parts of the tank are moving and the speed of it versus the PSX.
I can clearly see how the tank has more animation on the saturn, just like the casacade, the water, the blood, the explosions, the walking etc. The PS1 looks like shit with like 2 frames of animations and load times every 30 seconds.

>Want to compare game libraries instead of minor graphical details?
Oh the irony you motherfucker, you were the faggot cherrypicking the botton of the barrel to prove something. I like both consoles, but only a retard would say the PS1 was more capable at 2D.

>> No.3234076

>>3234015
>Look at the still pictures of Ken in the intro. Grainy as hell v. smooth.

I see 0 difference, and even if there is It is most likely because the Saturn composes the graphics out of sprites like the arcade, while the Playstation just has an FMV recording of it.

>> No.3234079

>>3233646
FF8, FF9, Ape Escape, all Crash games, all Spyro games.

Will grant that FF7 is overrated though.

>> No.3234084

>>3233324
The masses have shit taste, what's new? Look at what tops the charts in music, movies, TV, ect. Chances are it's garbage.
Pure numbers are not a metric of quality and when it really comes down to it, marketing is the real decider. Playstation topped Saturn in that regard.

>> No.3234085

>>3233646
Gran Turismo

>> No.3234174 [DELETED] 

>>3234076
lol literal sperg getting mad when intelligent people don't worship a shit tier console made by a shit tier company. System for literal autists.

muh Sanic!

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>>3233646
all this

>> No.3234182

>>3234181
Blazing Dragons?
Really?
I mean, really?

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>>3231870
>bulk slash

>> No.3234190

>>3234182
better on ps1
now kill yourself

>> No.3234218

>>3231802
Irrelevant

>>3231805
>translate it
It was already translated with the PSX version
All they had to do was tell Konami to bring it overseas

>> No.3234381

>>3233324
>this level of bait
Holy hell, is this wot became of /vr/?

>> No.3234404

>>3234084
And he goes down swinging

>> No.3234726

>>3231965
Your mother??

>> No.3234783

>>3234190
>better on ps1

So it smells rosier but still a piece of shit?

>> No.3234795

>>3234015
Are you implying Alpha 2 isn't better on Saturn?

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>>3233646

>> No.3234831

>>3233646
A bunch of wobbly 3D games with shit cameras/controls, and sprite games that look worse than SNES games.

Playstation was a joke that only poor trailer trash kids had to play on.

>> No.3234838

>>3234831
Ps1 is kinda like the Atari of its generation, it's too old to be considered modern but not old enough to be considered fashionable. I love it.

>> No.3234842

>>3234831
>and sprite games that look worse than SNES games
keep yourself believing that faggot

>> No.3234865

>>3234838
>Atari 2600
Fix

>> No.3234874

>>3234842

Not him and many games have gorgeous sprites (SOTN), but a lot of them also look kind of washed out and not as crisp, not sure why that was.

>> No.3234883

>>3234831

ps1 has tons and tons of dope shit. true enough that sony had an "anti-2d" policy for a while, but it was good in that new ground was being broke. there are still some amazing 2d / 2.5d titles. some of the best games for the console never left japan unfortunately. all the same, it is one of the most ubiquitous consoles of all time, so fuck you.

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>>3234874
>there are pretty games on the console but let's focus on the shit hurr
That applies to literally every console.

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3234895

>>3234842
Sonygger please, even you can admit most 2D games on PSX looked lousy because it wasn't made for handling sprites. It didn't even have tilemapped background layers or built-in parallax.

>> No.3234901

Why did he say the Saturn was not our future?
I'm still trying to figure out why Sega couldn't have returned to their Genesis roots.

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3234903

>>3234895
Are you saying Legend of Mana is lousy? Or Panzer Bandit? Valkyrie Profile? Xenogears? Strider 2? Alundra?
Nigga, shut the fuck up . The PS1 had a good selection of 2D based games that still look gorgeous today.

>> No.3234907

>>3234903
Xenogears is quite possibly the ugliest game of all time, though.

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>>3234895
Let me tell you something, do you eat shit? one of the most popular platformer of the time was 2D and it looked gorgeous.

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>>3234907
Good bait.

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>>3234903
>implying any of those games look as good as 2D games on the Sega Saturn

Oh I am laffin, keep up the comedy act, Sonyfriends.

>> No.3234930

>>3234920
When did I ever imply that?
I love some of the 2D titles on Saturn, Princess Crown being one of them and games like Purikura Daisekusen and Guardian Heroes being others.
I love 2D titles from any platform, I don't restrict myself to one.

>> No.3234931

>>3234920
nice backpealing faggot

>> No.3234932

>>3234914
>posts Rayman in defense of the Playstation
>doesn't realize Saturn's version graphically looks better with more colors, better water effects, etc.

>> No.3234935

>>3234932
Jaguar is actually better than the Saturn version though.

>> No.3234938
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3234938

>>3234884

No, even if many SNES games were shovelware or shitty, the sprites still looked crisp, so did Genesis, NES or Master System games.
For some reason, many 32bit games had these kind of washed up sprites that really looked worse than games on SNES or Genesis, kind of unexcusable considering they were next gen systems.

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>>3231927
You almost had me.

>> No.3234945

>>3234932
That wasn't the point though retard, he said a fucking SNES looked better than the PS1. And i remember the differences in Rayman being trivial 2bh.

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3234947

>>3234903
Doesn't look much better than this, and the sprite animation looks pretty stiff. Thanks for confirming that the PSX can't do any better than the Super Nintendo in terms of 2D sprites.

>> No.3234951

>>3234947
>he hasn't played Legend of Mana
Kill yourself.

>> No.3234954
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3234954

>Playstation
>good 2D

It was *barely* above the SNES. If you wanted actual great 2D, play Saturn.

>> No.3234964

>>3234951
Sorry, but I don't play casual beat 'em ups.

>die
>start over at the boss fight
LMFAO, casual Sonyfag garbage. No wonder you millennials love the PSX, you can't play any real videogames.

>> No.3234965

>>3234954
Seiken Densetsu 3 looks like garbage.

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3234968

>>3234938
>let's pick the botton of the barrel to prove something!
retard

>> No.3234973

>>3234964
>beat em ups
>uses Seiken Densetsu 3 to help his argument
You're shitposting against a series yet you use an image from the same series to try and "justify" that the PS1 isn't good at 2D.
ebin
simply ebin

>> No.3234976

>>3234968
>those tiny ass undetailed sprites
is that all the playstation could manage?

>> No.3234984

>>3234973
SD3 had actual game overs though, and was a much better game than Legend of Mana because of the non-linear story and good 2-player co-op. None of that importing another save file or playing as an NPC bullshit. So yes, I can like certain Mana games but think other Mana games are trash.

>> No.3234985

>>3234984
Kill yourself.

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3234991

>>3234973
Of course not you shitter, that's why it had the best looking sprite-based shooter of the generation.

>SATURN PORT NEVER EVER

>> No.3234992

>>3234991
meant to quote this faggot >>3234976

>> No.3234993 [DELETED] 

>>3234985
I will if you admit Sony is cancer upon the gaming community.

Nintendo = makes games
Sega = makes games
Sony = doesn't give a SHIT about games
Microsoft = doesn't give a SHIT about games

Why gaming is so shit nowadays? Because actual game companies don't make the game hardware anymore like they did in the '80s and early '90s.

Fuck Playstation.

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3234996

>>3234991
who gives a fuck about Raiden when we got the superior shmup?

>> No.3235001

>>3234993
I won't admit that, because every Sony console has games that make it worthwhile. I don't give a shit about what else they do.

>> No.3235003

>>3234996
I like Garegga but graphics-wise it ain't got shit on Raiden 2 bru

>> No.3235004

>>3234991
>PS1 can only handle ports of games from fucking 1993
Sounds about right. Lol what a joke.

>> No.3235008

>>3235003
both are good games though.

>> No.3235017

>>3234968

Yeah but DBZ games on both Mega Drive and SNES had much better spritework than UB22 on PS1 or Shin Butoden on Saturn.

I'm not trying to prove anything, just saying what I think.

Harmful parkis a nice game but I think games like Axelay or Thunder Force IV had spritework just as good or even better.

>> No.3235023

>>3235004
Reminder that most arcade shooters of the 90s used old ass hardware. Reminder that Raiden II remains as one of the most juicy sprite-based shooters.

>> No.3235024

>>3234895
>PSX looked lousy because it wasn't made for handling sprites

Neither PS1 nor Saturn are made for handling sprites. Saturn has a background tilemapper but that's not the same thing as sprites.

PS1 actually is faster at doing *pseudo-sprites* than Saturn because its memory / fill rate is faster.

>> No.3235028

>>3235003
Show me a level from Raiden 2 that looks better than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2whaAslo5w

>> No.3235032

>>3235024
Saturn uses quadrilateral polygons which are easier to flatten and then process as sprites, though. So while PSX had a faster memory throughput, the Saturn could actually do far more with its sprites than the PSX can.

>> No.3235050

>>3235028
Any level in the game looks better because the background and sprite destruction is amazing in comparison. That background in Garegga doesn't even iinteract with anything. As for bosses, the first boss alone is more impressive than most bosses in Garegga.

>> No.3235056

>>3235032
>So while PSX had a faster memory throughput, the Saturn could actually do far more with its sprites than the PSX can.

You don't seem to understand (the use of the word 'flatten' gives it away anyway). Quadrilaterals just save slightly on CPU overhead when doing 2D, but CPU was never an issue in 2D games in 5th generation anyway.

It's the texturing overhead which really counts, and it's the same whether you're mapping textures to a quad or two triangles. Except that the Saturn's sprite VRAM is 114.5 MB/s, and the Playstation's VRAM is around 266 MB/s. Over double.

>> No.3235081

>>3235050
>That background in Garegga doesn't even iinteract with anything.
No fuckin shit. It's a bunch of clouds. What looks better is the details and scrolling effects that blow Raiden 2 out of the water. Of course you're going to keep praising Raiden though because you're trying to make the PSX seem good at 2D when it really is not. And by the way, there are many stages in Garegga with interactive backgrounds, go and actually play the game before you spout off shit next time.

>the first boss alone is more impressive than most bosses in Garegga.
You got that backwards. Pretty much any boss from Garegga functions and looks more vibrantly than that dull tank.

>> No.3235084

>>3235056
Half of that for the Saturn actually.

>> No.3235116

>>3235056
>You don't seem to understand (the use of the word 'flatten' gives it away anyway)
Gives what away exactly? Textures would be flattened onto the polygons to give the impression of sprites. What other word would you use, you autist?

Let's also not forget that the Saturn could push 500k flat-textured polies while the PSX was only capable of ~350k which allowed for the crisper sprite animations you see in 2D games. Compounded with the RAM upgrades that the Saturn would get in the future and the PSX doesn't stand a chance. Also the VRAM bandwidth of the PSX is only 132mb/s, you liar. Not that much off from the Sega Saturn's. And that's just ignoring that the SS had a wholly separate chip dedicated to rendering five simultaneous background layers. The Saturn was a fucking 2D beast.

>> No.3235117

>>3235081
>No fuckin shit. It's a bunch of clouds
Then post a better example you piece of shit because that's not impressive at all.

>What looks better is the details and scrolling effects that blow Raiden 2 out of the water.
It's literally one layer of scrolling, not impressive at all you retard

>go and actually play the game before you spout off shit next time.
I have 1cc'd Battle Garegga you piece of shit, the destructible backgrounds are much simpler than the ones on Raiden II. In Raiden II the sprites directly intereract with the backgrounds destruction every time, hell even the little particles make a splash in the water. In garegga the destruction is much simpler and only works with certain objects you bomb.

>You got that backwards
The first boss in Garegga is fucking static and dull, only the turrets mov. First boss in Raiden II has an awesome walking animation and destroys everything in the background when it walks

>> No.3235128

>>3235028
>Show me a level from Raiden 2 that looks better than this:

That level barely has a background.

At least pick some good examples for "better looking", like, I dunno, most of the stuff in Darius Gaiden, or the virtual reality level in Thunderforce V.

>> No.3235130

>>3235117
>Then post a better example you piece of shit because that's not impressive at all.
Still more impressive than anything from Raiden II unless you can prove me otherwise.

>It's literally one layer of scrolling, not impressive at all you retard
See above.

>I have 1cc'd Battle Garegga you piece of shit,
Post you're score then.

>the destructible backgrounds are much simpler than the ones on Raiden II. In Raiden II the sprites directly intereract with the backgrounds destruction every time, hell even the little particles make a splash in the water. In garegga the destruction is much simpler and only works with certain objects you bomb.
Garegga still has more interactive environments. Look at the flamingo secret for proof.

>The first boss in Garegga is fucking static and dull, only the turrets mov. First boss in Raiden II has an awesome walking animation and destroys everything in the background when it walks
Well no shit sherlock, one is a fucking plane and the other is a tank. Still Garegga's first boss has more phases and parts to it than the shitty walking tank. You probably just bombed through it and didn't even take time to see what all it can actually do like a retard.

>> No.3235135

>>3235116
>Let's also not forget that the Saturn could push 500k flat-textured polies while the PSX was only capable of ~350k

Don't go by the values on the box of the console, they are useless. Saturn could only do 500k polygons if they were non-textured, non-shaded, 8-bit paletted, and something like 4x4 in size.

Without even taking into consideration the amount of math power you need to calculate their location and collissions.

Also if you did 500k poly a second, you had no space left for textures due to only 512k vram.

There's a reason why practically every Saturn game suffers from slowdown.

>> No.3235137

>>3235128
We were comparing Raiden II to Garegga, of course there are better examples on the Saturn. Plus Raiden Fighters had a port intended for the Saturn, same can't be said for PSX, probably because it wasn't feasible.

>> No.3235141

>>3235130
>>3235117
>>3235081
>>3235003
Garegga is an overrated piece of shit.

If you want a good looking 2d shmup, check Layer Section in TATE mode, or Darius Gaiden, Thunderforce V, Radiant Silvergun, Shienryu, Cotton 2, Cotton Boomerang.

Or on the Playstation, Gradius Gaiden and G-Darius (though that one is 3d, but has some beautiful backgrounds).

>> No.3235142

>>3231878
>Name me some games
>LOL THOSE DON'T COUNT

Every single time.

>> No.3235147

>>3235137
Saturn had its own Raiden clone, called Shienryu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwGHgUQBH84

>> No.3235149

>>3233960
A meme is an idea that spreads often widely. The idea that the Saturn had shit transparencies is a meme. Though technically a meme can be true or false or even just an opinion.

>> No.3235157
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>People literally having console wars from 20 years ago today

I thought /vr/ was gonna be a good place for people who actually like video games since it was made to discuss golden age vidya. Instead it's just another /v/.

>> No.3235175

>>3235116
>Textures would be flattened onto the polygons to give the impression of sprites

The polygons are already flat. There is no z-coordinate when you are doing 2D. You would set up T&L to work with polygons directly in 2D screen space.

>Also the VRAM bandwidth of the PSX is only 132mb/s, you liar

No, that's the DRAM to the CPU. The VRAM to the GPU runs at the same speed but is dual-ported which doubles the bandwidth.

>> No.3235179

>>3235130
The cloud background is really unimpresive, i have seen more impressive shit in the second stage of UN Squadron for SNES.

>Post you're score then.
Scoring is for retard, even more so in Garegga.

>Garegga still has more interactive environments. Look at the flamingo secret for proof.
The flamingos are interactive from a gameplay point of view, not graphics. That entire level is pretty dull graphics--wise compared to the first level of Raiden II, only the houses are destructible, everything else is static and dull. In Raiden II the destruction in trees, houses, water etc is much more impressive to look at.

>Well no shit sherlock, one is a fucking plane and the other is a tank
Still most bosses in Garegga aren't even close to that tank.

>Still Garegga's first boss has more phases and parts
I'll give you that Garegga bosses have more tiny parts, but the main body look fucking static in comparison, the only one that they tried was Junky Monkey and even then it looks rough in the edges.

>> No.3235181

>>3235157

Welcome to /vr/ - Unresolved Childhood Traumas

>> No.3235212

>>3235157
A neverending problem with every retro board ever devised

>> No.3235213

>>3235147
Shienryu is more of a sequel to Daioh, and Daioh was pretty much a Toaplan games on stereoids.

>> No.3235216

>>3235212
>>3235181
>>3235157

The shit thing about this is that because some retards were poor and only had 1 system growing up, the rest of us have to put up with their childish bias shitposting.

I wish the'd just go to a shrink instead of venting on internet boards.

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In case you didn't notice. There is a beautiful naked woman in this image.

>> No.3235327

>>3230940
psx beat the saturn at THE 2d game of that generation, sotn

>> No.3235328

>>3235157
Most of the threads here aren't nearly this bad. This is a thread where the OP was inflammatory. Everyone posting here knew exactly what we were getting into.

Also, I was just on /v/. This place is magnitudes better, but I'm not sure if that's saying much.

>> No.3235363

>>3235327
SotN wasn't even that impressive of a 2D game, I mean, the sprites don't even have fucking faces.

>> No.3235503

>>3235327
>metroidvania shit
>THE 2d game
how about no

>> No.3235506
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3235506

Saturn was underrated for a while. Then it got massively overrated by STG aspies. And now its being shit on by millennial contrarians who were probably born after the system came out and only know it through SSF and mame

>> No.3235514

>>3235506

Yeah, kind of. Not only STG though, the system got overrated due to its cult status and scarcity in the west.
The Saturn is a great console, but it'll never be properly rated in the west. People either suck its dick, or hate it.

>> No.3237841

So, how would we have prevented the Saturn from being a total failure?

>> No.3237853
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3237853

>>3237841
Make the console architecture less crazy (e.g. hire a company with some actual fucking expertise in 3D systems to design it for you).

Not only would that make developing games easier, it would dramatically lower the manufacturing cost of the system (Saturn cost something like double or triple the N64 to produce - no joke), and it would make graphics better too.

>> No.3237873

>>3237841

Step 1: prevent Sony from releasing the PlayStation

>> No.3237907

>>3233686
exclusive content/boss fights

>> No.3237919

>>3237853
>that Saturn diagram
Holy shit, what were Sega thinking???

>> No.3237931

>>3237841
Do everything differently, except the controller.

>> No.3237960
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3237960

no Bernie you're shit.

>> No.3237963

>>3237960
>has D, but not Enemy Zero
Shit nigga, what are you doing?

>> No.3237979

>>3237960

I am legitimately jealous.

>> No.3237984

>>3237960
Nice no games

>> No.3238006

>>3237960
>USA Saturn games

Look at this guy and laugh.

>> No.3238012

>>3238006

Spotted the dumb weeb.

>> No.3238031

>>3237960
Nice CD-I games brah.

>> No.3238034

>>3238012
>Spotted the dumb weeb.

Buying the same games in a way higher quality case, with colour booklets, for 1/10th the price, that sure is dumb from me.

>> No.3238265

>>3238034
jokes on you buddy. I didn't have pay more than 20-30 each for these games in 2002-3

>> No.3238486

>>3230825
of course it was, Sega never made a better than slightly mediocre console, and most were worse than that.

shit tier consoles by a shit tier company, whose primary customer base was autists.

>> No.3238513

>>3238486
if sega consoles are slightly mediocre, then nintendo and sony consoles are extremely mediocre

>shit tier consoles by a shit tier company, whose primary customer base was autists.

shit tier shitpost written by a shit tier autist :^)

>> No.3238530

>>3238513

Bad aiming, I'm neither a sony nor a nintendo fanboy :^)

>> No.3238549

>>3238530
PCfat? Arcadetard? NECbeard?

>> No.3238570

>NECbeard
I dig it

>> No.3238592

>>3238570
Never would've expected a Turbo nerd to hold a vendetta against SEGA. What's wrong, are you upset that the Genesis stole TG16's thunder in America?

>> No.3238596

>>3234938
Those were cel scans for fucks sake.

>> No.3238628

>>3238596

And don't look as good as any Butoden or Buu Yuu Retsuden sprites, let alone Hyped Dimension.

The sprites on DBZ legends were actually much better than UB22/Shin Butoden.

>> No.3238640

>>3238628
Because they were digitally drawn sprites and thus sharper by nature, comprendes?

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>>3234181
>no Final Fantasy Tactics

Better update that shit

>> No.3238765

I feel sick seeing this man's face on the catalog.

I wish a mod would delete OP's picture.

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>>3234968

>> No.3239041

>>3234935
Only the color palatte is better, the mechanics are worse(incomplete physics) and the music is superior on the CD versions.

>> No.3239074

>>3230825
I wouldn't call it shit, but dropping it in favor of emphasizing the Dreamcast wasn't a bad move. It was the kind of clarity that SEGA needed at the time. I don't understand why some people are so butthurt over him.

>> No.3239109

>>3238265
How's the joke on him? JP packaging and extras is still way better than US and a lot of decent games go for ~30USD or less; sometimes even less than 10USD.

>> No.3239120

>>3233065
I want that trash bin. I need that trash bin.

>> No.3239471

>>3239109
The fact that the guy with all the US games doesn't have to fumble around with menus he can't read on lots of those games is pretty nice...

>> No.3239509

He was right about blocking JRPG's. That was a gay ass genre and I'm glad it died.

>> No.3239523

>>3238765
Bernie Stolar should mod of this forum. He'd ban all discussion on JRPG's and 2D games, except Mortal Kombat since weebs don't care for MK.

>> No.3239524

>>3233646

Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean the Second Story, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Silent Hill, Resident Evil 1 and 2, and literally way too many good games to list. Go ahead and bash me, it's just my opinion.

>> No.3239525

>>3239523
too bad this is actually an image board and not a forum.

>> No.3239527

>>3239525
Image boards are not our future

>> No.3239528

>>3239524
I'll give you the rest but Alpha 3 came out on Saturn and was closer to the arcade version than the PSX version.

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>>3239523

I'm what you'd call a "weeb" probably and I like MK1 and 2. 3 was a little shit and UMK3 was okay but it lacked the campy chinese horror/kung fu movie feel of the first 2, it was more like a hollywood blockbuster starting from 3, with shittier characters and unoriginal settings in cities, although the subway stage was cool mostly because of the train fatality.
The gameplay is slightly improved on UMK3 like being able to run and more dialacomb-y.

Anything after UMK3 was trash, including Trilogy.

KI1 and 2 are the superior western fighting games.

>> No.3239530

>>3239528
Resident evil was also on saturn

>> No.3239537

>>3239528

Ah, I actually was not aware.

>> No.3239540

>>3233606
I'm about to get drunk and play through Nights right now.

>> No.3240341

>>3233606
I mostly play Nights high and/or drunk.

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3240347

>playing nights with pleb-tier drugs
>not playing it while tripping on kambo drops

>> No.3240353

>>3240347
>kambo drops
what's this weeb shit

>> No.3240360

>>3240353

hallucinogen poison from an amazonian toad's secretion.

>> No.3240603

>>3240347
DUDE

>> No.3240607

>not just playing NiGHTS to enjoy the wonderful graphics, amazing music, perfect controls, and to try to aim for a new high score

Fucking degenerates.

>> No.3242950

>>3240347
I live in the country where they do this shit and I never heard of it. Welp, I guess I can finally get in touch with my indian ancestry.

>> No.3242959

>>3230825
Still better than the fucking 32X and Sega cd.

>> No.3243363

>>3242959
Fucking Kalinske

>> No.3245052

Who was more harmful to Sega: Bernie Stolar and his 5-Star Policy, or Peter Moore who convinced Sega to drop out so that Microsoft could take their place?

>> No.3248213

>People that don't think J-RPG would have helped the system

Must be underage or something, this was after all the golden era of "mainstream J-RPGs" so to speak.

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