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http://www.retrocollect.com/News/perspective-correction-comes-to-sony-playstation-emulation-via-pcsxr-pgxp.html

>> No.3227578

>>3227562
>emulation
>correct
Pick one.

>> No.3227590

>>3227562
>watch the videos
>see absolutely no difference

uhh ok

>> No.3227597

>>3227590
are you blind? its always been a problem when emulating psx

>> No.3227612

>>3227597
"yes it" whatever "it" is.
Whatever "it" is, is fucking invisible to non-autistic people.

>> No.3227615

>>3227612
You're on /vr/ you know, right? Shitposting is boring here.

>> No.3227616 [DELETED] 

>>3227615
>DUDE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN ME

>FUCKING SHITPOSTER

WOW, /vr/ is shit.

>> No.3227617

>>3227562
I'll wait for the epsxe devs to steal the code :^)

>> No.3227634

>>3227616
there's no opinion here. it doesn't take a genius to figure out emulated PSX graphics look like shit, and this makes it look better.

>> No.3227643

>>3227634
It doesn't take a genius to know people like side by side comparisons to see what you are even talking about either.

>> No.3227795

>>3227562
I get what they're trying to do but it seems to only apply to certain games and choosing Silent Hill was a bad choice and I don't know why they opened with FFVII the camera's fixed it's all pre-rendered??? that was stupid

>> No.3227846

>>3227795
You're on /vr/ you know, right? Shitposting is boring here.

>> No.3227896

>>3227597
>been a problem when emulating psx
How can the designed behavior of the hardware be a problem? The hardware itself lacked perspective correct texturing.

I'm surprised it's taken the community so long to program a backend. It's a pretty much a freebie upgrade if you map the drawing routines to a graphics library and enable the right switches.

Btw, good devs designed around the limitation of distorted texturing by breaking their scenes up into lots of polygons.

>> No.3227923

>>3227562
I thought I've heard about this months ago.
Feels like I've seen an article about it using Threads of Fate for comparison.

>> No.3227940
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3227940

>still no side by side comparison

>> No.3227946

>>3227612
Maybe non autistic people just need to play a PSX game then.

>> No.3227947

>>3227946
played them since 1997.
never had a problem with "lines"

>> No.3227950

>>3227947
I think you just like starting internet arguments. That's like saying you played N64 games never never noticed any blurry picture.

>> No.3227953
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3227953

>>3227590
>>3227612
>>3227643
>>3227795
I dont even know where to begin with this. The PSX would warp textures incorrectly from certain perspectives, which becomes more obvious while close to a flat surface. Every example given is of some of the most noticeable titles that suffer from this problem. You are either trolling or 12.

>> No.3227954 [DELETED] 

>>3227590
>>3227612
>>3227616
back to /v/eddit

>> No.3228030

>>3227923
>>3227940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGnLRR9kyvc

>> No.3228037
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3228037

>>3228030
Thank you.

That is a huge improvement.

>> No.3228042

>>3228030
looks awesome.

>> No.3228047

>>3227562
That Ridge Racer vid looks almost as good as the PSP version.

>> No.3228084

>>3227562
I love how everyone is falling for these HD emulator screenshots with xbr filtering.

>> No.3228097

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuH7RDIDZN4

This is an intentionally extreme example of what this fix fixes.

>> No.3228101

>>3228030
I think the original looks better

I want to see Bushido Blade with just no grit looking terrible with this shit

>> No.3228174

>>3228030
Still can't tell the difference.

>> No.3228185

>>3228174
dont pretend to be me nignog

>> No.3228246

>>3228084
The plugin that fixes polygon flickering and the texture perspective shit also forces XBR on unless you specifically disable it.

>> No.3228279

>>3228084
>>3228246
Is xBR filtering applied to OP's image?
I've never seen xBR by myself (only people bashing it for the most time). So I have no idea how it affects the image. But something looks not quite well. I can't tell what though.

>> No.3228281 [DELETED] 

>>3227562
>Perspective Correction

I have zero idea what the fuck that is

>> No.3228294 [DELETED] 

>>3228281
Hey man, I just found out about this new website that can lead you to things you want to learn about, it's called google I'm sure you've never heard of it but it's great trust me

>> No.3228304 [DELETED] 

>>3228294
>don't discuss things in a thread meant for discussing things

fag

>> No.3228310 [DELETED] 

>>3228281
see
>>3228097
>>3228030

>>3228174
see the floor tiles

>> No.3228314 [DELETED] 

>>3228304
Your question could be answered simply by pasting perspective correction into google, then you could have asked something like "how does this benefit the psx graphics?" and then you wouldn't look like an idiot

>> No.3228316

Looks worse now.

>> No.3228654
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3228654

>>3227578

This is an enhavement. PS1 has no texture correction. This does.

Image is an example of what happens with ZERO texture perspective correction is done.

>> No.3228694

>>3228030

This is actually a SEPARATE plugin. This is a closed source one made by EGBLA. But he never released it. We could have had this shit YEARS ago, but no, he had to keep it to himself.

>> No.3228697

More videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3Laaa0hV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hd1z3VSmY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgowPA9kb8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHz8kPGUi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQSbhiBvcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt6nJ30sdJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtHdNwoa9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLuO9kK9k10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h41aQQsB5_k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uiEFoc6iEw

>> No.3228905

>>3228030
so now the textures of ps1 games dont shit via emulation? thats fucking amazing. I hated that about psx, to the extent that I didnt wanna play any of its games. it looked so fucking disgusting and nausea inducing. can't believe it was given a pass when they made their hardware.

>> No.3228906

>>3228905
*dont shift

>> No.3228920

>>3228030
I dig it. Might be worth it to emulate PSX now

>> No.3228926

>>3228697
wow playstation games look beautiful now

>> No.3229117 [DELETED] 

>>3228314
you could have simply answered the question and not looked like an autist and a virgin

>> No.3229119

>>3228654
it looks great tho

>> No.3229152

>>3228697
>Tenchu

It... it's beautiful.

>> No.3229153

how do I run this? It doesn't detect any rom, controller ports, or sound

>> No.3229164

Someone test Dino Crisis.

The PC version has jittering. I'd love to see that fixed.

>>3229153

You download and run everything here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz8IYcLfu84zT2FtWklaV1UwUGM

>> No.3229169

>>3229152
IT LOOKS WORSE

i fucking hate you guys

>> No.3229173
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3229173

>>3229164
I tried that but for whatever reason I get this. It is just blank even the list of options.

>> No.3229193

>>3229173

Add pcsxr plugins and bios. Just not the graphics ones.

>> No.3229446

>>3228697
why no metal gear solid video guys?

>> No.3229520

>>3229446
It doesn't work properly with MGS, afaik

>> No.3229532

>>3229520
>>3229520
...

lame.
shouldve been first priority

>> No.3229538

>>3229532
There's a PC version of MGS without these glitches anyway.

>> No.3229554

>>3229538
im speaking more of the nice unpixelated graphics

>> No.3229719

>>3229446
>>3229520

It might work now. Try the latest build here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz8IYcLfu84zT2FtWklaV1UwUGM

>> No.3229747

>>3229719
Thanks. If anyone wants to do a video. I'll give you a like. approximate value: 0.00 cents

>> No.3229756
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3229756

>>3227940
Off.

>> No.3229759
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3229759

>>3229756
On.

>> No.3229763

>>3229756
>>3229759

Thank you.
I will be called names, but i really don't ever remember emulated psx games being all wiggly and shit like that.

>> No.3229834

Dino Crisis works perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTua1kAZMQ4

>> No.3229858

>>3229834
looks ps2 tier

>> No.3229886

Glad to see the work being essentially picked up where the bladesoft plugin left off.

>> No.3229891

>>3229886

This would have happened YEARS ago if bladesoft dev had opened source. Instead he teased features, and then never released anything. Fuck him.

>> No.3229892

>>3229759
And that just turned something else on, if you know what I'm saying

>> No.3229996

>>3229892
I hope an actual underage wrote this.

>> No.3230049

>>3229891
i agree, fuck him

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3230061

>>3229996
>not getting a boner from pepsi man
>not dreaming about blowing pepsi-man until he squirts that delicious carbonated pepsi max into your mouth hole.

wew lad

>> No.3230073

>>3228697
>all that audio stuttering
why

>> No.3230103

how do you set up the cd rom?

from pic related
>>3229173

>> No.3230107

>>3229834
Crap, that does not look like a PSX game anymore.

>> No.3230294

>>3230107
.

>> No.3230904

>>3230073
>>all that audio stuttering
>why

3rd worlder user shitty computer and Fraps at the same time.

>> No.3230926
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3230926

>>3227562
I thought the PC release of FF7 also had warping but I guess I was wrong. IIRC, in the PS1 version didn't the grating on the floor warp pretty badly.

>> No.3230930

>>3230926

PC version also has really shitty shadows in battles.

>> No.3230934

>>3230930
I didn't even notice, to be honest. My biggest problem in battles is that weird menu bug where if you press a direction and select too quickly, you'll skip to the next menu option and select that one. It's been pissing me off.

>> No.3231110

>>3229763
It's because emulators running in HD make it look 100 times worse.

>> No.3231115

>>3230934
This actually happens in Phantasy Star 4 as well.

>> No.3231502

how the fuck do I download a link cable plugin I can't find one.

>> No.3231519

>>3230061
This gave me a stiffy desu

>> No.3231521

it says that I am missing render texture extention along with another pop up claiming that there is no pixel format. What do?

>> No.3231551

Is anyone else's slow?

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3231717

>>3227562

Is there a way to implement this on real hardware through the expansion port, or some other addon to the system? Seeing this on a real PS1 would be aces.

>> No.3231721

>>3229834
those character models wobbling when they stand
hilarious

>> No.3231735

So does this perspective correction _only_ fix the warped texture like >>3228030 or the corrected texture is the most obvious fix among other fixes? Tbqh, it's my first time ever hearing the term.

>> No.3231813

>>3231735

It's perspective textures, and anti-jittering feature.

>> No.3231830

>>3228030
Driver and Mega Man Legends would look great with this shit.

>> No.3232226

Can someone post that image explaining why the textures warp in the first place. It's literally not on Google images.

>> No.3232258

>>3232226
Something like textures are rendered to two triangles wobbling right next to each other instead of a solid square

>> No.3232268

>>3232258
You forgot to post the image I requested.

>> No.3232272

>>3232268

well fuck you nigger I ain't yo bitch

>> No.3232273

>>3232268
too bad, you daft cunt

>> No.3232279

>>3231110
oh , makes sense.

>> No.3232282

>>3232273
>>3232258
I know how it fucking works. I want the image because I think there are people on my Facebook who would find it interesting and I want to post it there.

>> No.3232286

>>3232282
guess you better find it then

>> No.3232290

>>3232286
Typical eh - when I didn't want it, there was no shortage of people posting it on here. Ho hum...

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3232295

>>3232226

>> No.3232296

>>3228905
>I hated that about psx, to the extent that I didnt wanna play any of its games. it looked so fucking disgusting and nausea inducing. can't believe it was given a pass when they made their hardware.

There's people like me who don't really care, guys who notice but don't also care because they'd rather play the game rather than focus on graphical imperfections, guys who are mainly annoyed because they can't unsee it, guys that really hate it because they're accustomed to modern 3D and wish they were playing those instead (probably the guys who brag about their "master race"), and then there's you. I hope you're happy being the king of your own retarded category.

>> No.3232302

>>3232295
Excellent! Thanks!

>> No.3232305

>>3232296
What about the guys who see it, but are fine with it at native res because it's harder to notice?

>> No.3232316

>>3232305
That's jittering because of integer coordinates, texture warping is no less unnoticeable at native res, but I still don't care, else I would be complaining about the dithering too.

>> No.3232321

>>3232316
I know about the jittering, but a lot of the imperfections in general are harder for me to notice on a CRT at native res. That's more or less what I mean.

>> No.3232323

>>3232305
>at native res because it's harder to notice
that vr meme again
it's just as ugly and wobbly at native res. there is not a hughe difference.

>> No.3232336

>>3232321
Then I'm on the same boat. To me the feeling of depth and the use of polygons was enough to create a 3D world in my mind and anything weird wouldn't have bothered me. I'm also near sighted so I'm not accustomed to seeing my surroundings in detail.

>> No.3232346

>>3228030

Holy fucks

>> No.3234036

>>3228030
Can't wait to try it on Twisted Metal

>> No.3234087
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3234087

>>3229119
>it looks great tho

>> No.3234110

This is bullshit.
The artists knew that the perspective would be fucked up and designed the game around that. If you use perspective correction youre bastardizing the artists vision and arent playing the game the way it was meant to be.

>> No.3234113

>>3234087
yeah man that shit is like modern art, look at the colors and composition of the texture even as it distorts

>> No.3234119

>>3234110
>The artists knew that the perspective would be fucked up and designed the game around that

Yeah the problem is that in most cases you can't predict exactly how the textures will distort in all possible different angles so your "theory" doesn't hold much water.

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3234267

>>3234110
>The artists knew that the perspective would be fucked up and designed the game around that.

That's literally impossible. They just made stragith lines and hoped for the best.

>> No.3234313

>>3234110
If you aren't asking mom to drive you back from school in a '91 Corolla, you aren't feeling the real experience as the developers intended.

>> No.3234323

>>3234267
They usually just blur and/or thicken the lines.

>> No.3234383

>>3234119
>you can't predict exactly how the textures will distort in all possible different angles
yes, you can. Affine transform is pretty rigidly defined.
It also allows engine developers to predict exactly under which angles their visuals break, and design the camera position and level design in such a way, that these conditions are avoided

>> No.3234386

>>3234036
why? You'll only be playing Metal then. That's, like, half the game gone

>> No.3234389

>>3232316
>complaining about the dithering
I switched emulators to GET the dithering. It's so beautiful

>> No.3234397

>>3234383
Isn't it basically the further away from normal your angle of line of sight is from the surface, the more distortion?

I can imagine it being pretty restrictive if a game engine forced the camera to be near-perpendicular to virtually every surface.

I see what you mean but surely it's impossible in practice?

>> No.3234407

>>3234397
I said "avoid" for a reason. You can not necessarily prohibit all "bad" camera movement. But let me give you a simple example: racing games have a camera low behind the vehicle, generally leading to a low angled road. Raising the camera just a little bit can help avoid most of the distortion on the road texture.
Or you have a game with a top down camera. Instead of moving it rigidly, letting it get very close to walls, you can program a certain "minimum" distance. If the camera gets below that distance, it tilts, instead of moving closer to the wall. It looks and feels natural, and avoids the dreaded low angle.

>> No.3234432

>>3234407
Interesting. Do you know of any games that do this?

>> No.3234437

>>3234383
>>3234407

So basically, having to gimp the player's ability to control the game camera.

Gotchya.

>> No.3234448

>>3229756
For the first time I actually notice whats fucked up about this

I wish I didnt cause now I cant unsee it

>> No.3234460

>>3234437
You know nothing, Jon Snow.

>> No.3235239

>>3228097
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGnLRR9kyvc [Embed]

that's a mindfuck, looks like a bad trip

how do I get that on my N64 emulator?

>> No.3235250

>>3228030
Wow it's literally nothing. So some textures are marginally less wobbly. Doesn't affect gameplay in the slightest so who cares.

>> No.3238170

>>3235250

>sonny nigger

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