/vr/ - Retro Games

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/CRT/ Thread - Pretty Pink Orb Anonymous Tue May 17 01:15:24 2016 No.3220676 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread: >>3208251
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 01:21:00 2016 No.3220689 File: 381 KB, 1600x1028, 20160516_0008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't have a BKM-10R to control your shiny used BVM? Now you don't need one. http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 01:32:35 2016 No.3220706 I was able to find the online auctions the guy in the last thread spoke of. There is a Sony BVM-20F1U for sale. Supposedly a good gaming CRT. Do I go for it /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 01:42:29 2016 No.3220714 So I use this RCA Tube TV with component on my ps2 and overall it looks fine, but when calibrating a tube, where should the sharpness setting be?

Anonymous Tue May 17 01:43:00 2016 No.3220716
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>>3220706
It is an excellent CRT. I love mine. The only flaw is that it's not multiscan, but that only matters for non-retro. With over 80k hours, the only issue mine has is a bit of vsync jitter, which is tolerable though I may try to repair it.

Some people think the scanlines are too pronounced, but I like it. Almost all calibration is done in software, which is really nice to get perfect results for bragging on /vr/. It only natively comes with RGB input, so if you want composite or YCbCr, you need to make sure it includes the 21D option card (nearly all do). Keep in mind that it has no controls, so you need a tethered remote, or >>3220689

Anonymous Tue May 17 01:47:52 2016 No.3220719

>>3220716
Oh crap. I don't know what I'm getting myself into, and the auction ends tomorrow morning.

I'm no CRT pro, that's for sure. I just want a retro gaming setup for SNES or N64. Maybe emulation instead of console.

Ok, here are the two I see for auction:
> Sony BVM-D20F1U CVM w/41HD & 27T Cards & Case
> Sony BVM-20F1U CVM w/21D Card & Case

I guess I want that second one according to what you wrote?

>>	Game Boy Tue May 17 01:52:34 2016 No.3220723 File: 1.13 MB, 3264x2448, PVMTIT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This on my new PVM and the picture quality is astounding.

Anonymous Tue May 17 01:55:59 2016 No.3220727

>>3220719
Sounds like both include everything necessary except the remote (BKM-10R - you can get one separately). They are both good choices, probably - the D20F1U is "better" because it is capable of HD resolutions, however I don't know if it scales up low resolutions (which would be bad). It also includes swappable faceplates for 4:3 and 16:9, though you can always run without a faceplate if you don't get the 4:3 one.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue May 17 01:58:21 2016 No.3220730 >>3220727 >however I don't know if it scales up low resolutions (which would be bad) It doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 01:59:46 2016 No.3220732 >>3220730 Good! I might be able to get it for under $100

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue May 17 02:00:36 2016 No.3220736 >>3220732 Good luck. It'd be a steal at that price, assuming it's in decent condition.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 02:01:21 2016 No.3220738 >>3220714 Anyone? I always hear to set it to zero but thats for HDTV's I think. I'm not too sure that's why I'm asking here.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 02:06:05 2016 No.3220751 >>3220689 Thanks, anon, you've really delivered. Truly this is great justice. I can now use a RS232 serial device hooked to a RS232-to-RS485 converter (or a RS485 serial device)! My PC's serial port should suffice.

>>	Undesired Life Tue May 17 03:05:34 2016 No.3220820 >>3220719 >>3220732 Not to mention a 27T card is very rare to find anymore, and nice for s-video if you would plan on using it. and also supports NTSC/PAL/SECAM decoding

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 03:11:41 2016 No.3220824 >>3220706 do you have a link to said auction site?

Anonymous Tue May 17 04:22:52 2016 No.3220936
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Does anyone have any advice for local bargain hunting on PVMs / BVMs, like where to look, or is it one of those things where if you didn't jump aboard when every industry switched over to LCDs then you're SOL? The only time I've ever seen one for sale was a tiny 8" one at a thrift store and I didn't even know what it was at the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 04:38:58 2016 No.3220956 File: 444 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0832.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] not a crt but snagged a little flip down kitchen tv and it works via rf. Stuck in 16:9 without the remote though ecch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 04:40:45 2016 No.3220957 File: 465 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3220956 not too bad maybe I'll put it in the camper if I can find a remote

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 06:39:45 2016 No.3221081 >>3220656 Ah yes, I'd totally forgotten about burn-in on rear projection TV's. Thanks for the reminder.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 07:09:54 2016 No.3221095 >>3220956 looks cute

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 07:12:26 2016 No.3221098 >>3220936 One day soon I'm going to get around to writing a guide to tracking down professional monitors. Can't be arsed right now though. Mb watch this space.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 08:09:32 2016 No.3221145 File: 723 KB, 1600x1200, IMG_0807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do CRT front projections count?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 09:08:47 2016 No.3221214 What is the best product (or circuit/chip) to convert component to RGB? Preferably with RCA or BNC in/out only

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 09:52:27 2016 No.3221254 >>3221145 Shit's cool. Now try 240p on it so I can finally answer my age old question: Will a projector scanline properly?

Anonymous Tue May 17 10:07:14 2016 No.3221271

>>3220732
Good luck. I payed over $550 for my D20F1U. I'm not sure if it's related to the shitty power circuitry in my home but moving it out into the living room has had it sometimes start up without properly displaying reds. Powering down and restarting with a cold start usually fixes it but I'm surprised my 14F5U with >80000 hours may actually last longer than my D20F1U with <35000 if this gets any worse.

I may invest in a UPS with a line cleaner to ensure clean power. I just really hope my red gun or its control circuitry isn't dying yet.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 10:07:53 2016 No.3221273

>>3220706
I'm that guy. Are you bidding on the monitors right now (bidder 7804)? If so, I don't want to step on your toes. But if not, I'm not going to let some ebay scalper grab everything and relist it for four times the cost.

>>3220824
It's not a traditional auction site. It's very low-tech. Buyer premiums, wire transfers, shipping quotes from freight companies like Navis. Not ebay, for sure.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 10:08:53 2016 No.3221278 File: 730 KB, 1024x768, SDC12768.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3221254 Its in storage right now but Ill be sure to try it out

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 10:09:09 2016 No.3221279 >>3220936 Is it safe to have that PVM/BVM that close to a PC Tower? Wouldn't the magnetism from the Degaussing Coil on startup risk permanently damaging the hard drives in the tower? (assuming they're not solid state)

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 10:13:25 2016 No.3221290

>>3221271
I've had this happen to a much smaller 5 inch Sony PVM that I play with on occasion. The issue was cold/bad solder joints. I broke out my heatgun and pointed it at a few of the areas that were responsible for decoding NTSC (I was using the composite inputs and wanted to be sure they worked before selling it).

Probably not the same issue you're dealing with.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 10:14:39 2016 No.3221295 >>3221279 It's not my photo, although I wouldn't have done it. My shit needs room to breathe.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 10:15:16 2016 No.3221298 >>3221279 The steel case will probably prevent catastrophic damage to any spinning platter HDDs in the computer. They're pretty resilient anyhow. Demagnetization really worked better on floppies.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 10:32:02 2016 No.3221318 >>3221254 I remember one time I played a dvd on my ps3 with my sony g70 crt projector and there were scanlines... for some reason. Confusing since it was a 480i signal through component. But yeah, I'd imagine you'd get 240p scanlines.

Anonymous Tue May 17 10:58:08 2016 No.3221369
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I know this isn't a great picture, but does anyone know if this thing is worthwhile?

My girlfriend and roommate both work at a local TV/Radio production company of sorts and I've asked them to keep an eye out for old monitors. They had to go down to the basement because of a Tornado and spotted this outside in the hall

I guess it's going to be sold at an auction soon; is it something worth chasing down? The best displays I have at the moment are just consumer Trinitrons and it'd be nice to take a step up to something RGB if this has that. I can't get any more pictures and they didn't think to look at the back.

Is it worthwhile? How much is it worth? Figure it's better to get one locally if I can rather than pay for shipping a big metal and glass brick.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:09:59 2016 No.3221387 File: 62 KB, 880x653, sony23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This may be a dumb question but is there any way to adapt a computer monitor for games? all the PVMs on ebay are $250+

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:15:05 2016 No.3221397 >>3221387 GBS8200/8220 is probably the cheapest way

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:16:08 2016 No.3221398 >>3221387 That's an awesome monitor btw

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:37:20 2016 No.3221424 >>3221398 >flat

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:40:45 2016 No.3221429 >>3221424 doesn't matter with pc monis

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 11:54:29 2016 No.3221457 >>3221273 I will be bidding on it soon, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 12:04:58 2016 No.3221478 >>3221429 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 12:12:15 2016 No.3221489 >>3221290 Yeah, it's shown up on sources both from the Component card and the RGBs card as well but it isn't too much of an issue for now.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 12:22:17 2016 No.3221512 >>3221478 they're as deep or deeper than tvs relative to their screen size, and they have better deflection electronics that ensure better linearity. Aperture grille also is also better suited for flat.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 12:23:00 2016 No.3221513 File: 94 KB, 1597x561, GBS8200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this what youre talking about? Looks like I have to input Component video which outputs to a VGA monitor. None of my consoles have component support

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 13:22:19 2016 No.3221649

>>3221457
Good luck! If you win something and need to ship it, I recommend getting in touch with Navis ASAP and asking for the items to be put on a pallet and braced carefully with heavy foam. Also have Navis deliver to their own warehouse in your city/town if there is one, which cuts down on the cost somewhat (residential delivery is expensive).

Know your limits and don't go above the price you have in your head. It's not worth it to get into a bidding war. Regardless of how BVMs and PVMs are perceived, there are tons of them all over the world still in working order and some even still in use today. The TV station I work at dumped four 9" PVMs on me recently and they're still using two 14" BVMs daily, always on and recoding standard def cable 24 hours a day.

If you don't win and you want one of the 9" PVMs, let me know and we can work something out. They don't have RGB inputs by default but can be added with an option card. They also have v-mount battery terminals, in case you ever thought about retro gaming on the go.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 13:26:14 2016 No.3221659 File: 32 KB, 480x360, 671[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Also lol @ whoever is bidding $200+ on what looks like two 14" PVMs and three 14" BVMs. Assuming it's a reseller.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 13:53:25 2016 No.3221710 >>3221649 Thanks. I actually live a couple hours or so from Burbank, CA so I'm thinking of making the drive sometime when I'm out of class. This will be my first CRT, so I hope I get one. I love the idea of making my first retro gaming setup.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 14:02:00 2016 No.3221732 >>3221279 Nah. You would need HELLA GAUSS to to do that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 14:10:13 2016 No.3221747 >>3221659 >>3221732 We just filling this thread up with cellphone text and "hella" now?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 14:16:24 2016 No.3221764 >>3221747 I used ctrl+f for "@" and "hella" and found only one result of each. So I guess the answer to your question is no?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 14:18:16 2016 No.3221768 >>3221764 Good to stop it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 14:46:34 2016 No.3221847 Well, someone just bid about $200 bucks on the BVMs. No gaming setup for me now. =/

Anonymous Tue May 17 14:59:08 2016 No.3221869

>>3221513
See the pin header in the pic? You supply the RGBS signal through that. It's best to wire that to a female SCART socket and put a sync stripper in as well. The way I set mine up takes composite video from the female socket, goes to the stripper, then goes to the pin header for sync. RGB lines just come straight out of the socket to the header. It's really not a good solution unless you're comfortable with DIY stuff, since there's not really a plug and play solution for feeding it RGB.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:14:36 2016 No.3221904 >>3221869 Not the same guy but was wondering if the gbs 8200 has any lag at all

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:17:51 2016 No.3221917 >>3221904 gbs is a low end scaler and known to have between 2 and 4 frames of lag. also picky about sync

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:20:24 2016 No.3221924 What's the best way I can split S (combined) into HV (separate) sync?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:26:54 2016 No.3221941 >>3221924 I would say through the use of highpass (to extract H) and lowpass filters (to extract V). Then buffer the filtered signals with schmitt triggers and preferably the input too before the filters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:32:07 2016 No.3221957 File: 31 KB, 480x360, 670.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3221847 I didn't win the BVMs, but I did get these couple of 19"s for $55. Did I make good /vr/?

Anonymous Tue May 17 15:32:31 2016 No.3221960

>>3221917
It's not too bad on sync if you don't follow mmmonkey's guide. He passes H and V to it from the stripper. When I did this the sync was very jumpy. Also, there needs to be a 680 ohm resistor on the sync out from the stripper. Otherwise the signal is a bit too hot for the GBS.

Anonymous Tue May 17 15:34:31 2016 No.3221967

>>3221941
Any simple circuit or anything I can do? Seems the lm1881 chip will separate vertical but is there anything similar for getting hsync as well?

My goal here is to connect my arcade boards which output RGBS from the jamma connector to my capture card, which only seems to like RGBHV.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 15:39:34 2016 No.3221979 >>3221957 They look nice. When you get them let us know what the model number is.

Anonymous Tue May 17 15:40:08 2016 No.3221981

>>3221967
>Seems the lm1881 chip will separate vertical but is there anything similar for getting hsync as well
You could use the BURST output but the vertical sync from this chip isn't good unless the signal is progressive (not interlaced).
>My goal here is to connect my arcade boards which output RGBS from the jamma connector to my capture card, which only seems to like RGBHV.
Go for the LM1881 first if you have it.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 15:41:18 2016 No.3221985 >>3221747 Sorry I type like an old person sometimes.

Anonymous Tue May 17 15:46:39 2016 No.3221994

>>3221387
Look for an Extron scaler on ebay. I use an Extron ISM 482 for my 31Khz vga monitor. You can input composite, s-video, RGsB, RGBs, component and rgbhv(vga). you can output that at most any res and refresh along with audio. dealing with the bnc and 5 terminal pole connections for audio isn't fun though so be warned. I'm pretty sure there's units that are just one input and one output though so you could save money that route and get nice results.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:49:39 2016 No.3222000 >>3221957 nice. any other anon managed to snag some ?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:57:23 2016 No.3222012 >>3221994 Could you do some example pics? You've grabbed my interest. These aren't too expensive.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 15:59:05 2016 No.3222016 >>3221369 I'd be surprised if it were colour, never mind RGB. Looks to be a security monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 16:07:28 2016 No.3222042 File: 58 KB, 294x295, 1399339118264.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you will never find a PVM in good condition for a reasonable price

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 16:14:24 2016 No.3222060 >>3222042 Hang in there anon. Your chance will soon come, you just need to have patience. It's how I scored my 1344Q for 20 burger bucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 16:41:42 2016 No.3222118 >>3222042 >tfw got a 20in pvm for $50 Look for local medical surplus

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 16:58:44 2016 No.3222154 someone wanna tell me what makes pvm so great?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 16:59:40 2016 No.3222157 >>3222154 easiest way of rgb in burger land

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 17:09:02 2016 No.3222183 >>3222042 There's another auction in June. Shitload of 8" PVMs for sale if you really want one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 17:14:18 2016 No.3222192 >>3222183 What auction?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 17:14:49 2016 No.3222194 >>3222157 could you use a SCART or RGB to VGA or whatever and play on a monitor?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 17:26:23 2016 No.3222226 >>3222192 The Bethpage, NY one.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 17:28:12 2016 No.3222228 >>3222194 PVM monitors normally (sometimes) have BNC inputs for RGB. You can get a cable or make your own to hook up via SCART.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 17:33:31 2016 No.3222236 >>3222194 (pc) monitors don't accept 15khz signals, and converters introduce a whole lot of problems

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 18:12:30 2016 No.3222341 Has anyone tried to directly contact Sony and ask where they're most likely to find PVM's?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 18:14:08 2016 No.3222348 >>3222226 >someone on /vr/ just got sects

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 18:57:03 2016 No.3222426 How far back do you need to go to find CRTs that still had manual controls for the signal and were completely analog?

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 19:04:19 2016 No.3222437

>>3222426
Look for old RCA tubes. My grandmother had a really neat one with click wheels that felt fresh as fuck. Don't know what happened to it. Spent hours trying to tune it's internal analog receiver to get channels out in the boonies of central Florida.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:29:06 2016 No.3222479 >>3221397 This. legit gbs from jammaboard plus an ebay slg with a modded scart input is excellent, with the custom firmware its even better

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:32:38 2016 No.3222486 >>3222426 I have an 80s Sears-Robuck that does. It's got twin-lead only for input and VHF / UHF tuners with fine tuning controls. I guess that's not quite what you're referring to, definitely analog though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:37:47 2016 No.3222496 >>3221512 >that improvement with depth of tube automatically removes all geometry issues a flat screen presents particularly on the top and bottom of the screen >all TVs have crippled short stubby tubes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:40:41 2016 No.3222498 >>3222118 >>3222042 >>3222060 >got four free PVMs 3 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:42:43 2016 No.3222506 >>3222341 either: a) they'd tell you to buy a new OLED one. b) they'd say broadcast studios and digal photography developers and other places where color grading matters like print shops and hospitals/medical facilities.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:45:08 2016 No.3222510 >>3222426 1980s and very early 90s. Though my grandparents had one set from 1987 with a simplistic OSD (just channel numbers displaying on the screen, no menus).

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 19:50:43 2016 No.3222523 >>3222341 >>3222506 This. Seriously they would probably be confused. Just call up your local production companies and TV stations and ask if they have any monitors they want to get rid of.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:52:50 2016 No.3222526 >>3222523 That's precisely what I did to get both of my PVMs and my panasonic monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:53:16 2016 No.3222528 >>3222496 >conveniently forgets better deflection electronics. And yes, flat consumer tvs have stubbier tubes relative to diagonal size, because consumers wanted thinner tvs and cared less about geometry than computer users.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:54:27 2016 No.3222529 >>3222526 also they won't know what you mean if you say 'PVM' or 'BVM'. Just ask about CRT monitors. This one responded that they had 14 inch ones ready to go and would have a 20 inch (turned out to be a 20L5) in a couple months.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:56:18 2016 No.3222531 >>3222528 He didn't forget 'better deflection electronics' - it's not possible to have a perfect geometry flat CRT (though you could in an ideal world get infinitely close).

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:57:21 2016 No.3222534 >>3222531 At this level it becomes pedantic because a perfectly rounded tube is similarly impossible. Still, no flat CRT can match the best curved ones in geometry in practice.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 19:58:37 2016 No.3222538 >>3222534 Forgot about monochrome ones - in monochrome you probably could match it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 19:59:39 2016 No.3222540 >>3222528 >all consumer CRTs were low profile ones made after 2000

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 20:10:25 2016 No.3222557 >>3222540 I picked up a Samsung CRT a couple days ago. It has issues with the very top of the screen I hope I can fix without having to open anything up.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 20:16:19 2016 No.3222565 >>3222540 all flat tube tvs were designed to be thinner

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 20:39:11 2016 No.3222593 What are you fags gonna do after all CRTs die out?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 20:40:57 2016 No.3222602 >>3222593 bury you with them

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 20:51:34 2016 No.3222623 >>3222602 Will my grave have scanlines?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 20:57:01 2016 No.3222635 >>3222623 It would be extremely retro.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:09:22 2016 No.3222660 File: 2.86 MB, 4000x3000, 1463533762343.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3222623 it will if your name is DRACURA

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:12:03 2016 No.3222668

>>3220936
Ok, I got around to it. Can someone find a hsot and add this pasta to the OP? IF that's something we even want to do...
--- /crt/'s guide to tracking down high-end CRTs v0.1 ---

PVMs, BVMs and other presentation, production and broadcast CRTs are getting harder to find, but there are still a great number of them around. Sure, you can always buy from reseller scum on Ebay, or from the production techs on therre who will actually sell quality sets and give a guarantee, but you may be paying too much.

The first and most important hurdle is reaching the right people and getting them to talk. The importance of being polite and friendly cannot be overstated. This goes double for not banging on about your hobbies to people who don't give a shit. Don't spam people. Don't ring every two days to check if they've found anything. Don't even explain what you want to the front desk or to reception, and don't use the term CRT whatever you do - start by asking for the right people. At a TV studio, that's the produciton guys. At a hospital it can be trickier. It might be maintenance, IT, or the technical guys - the people who would install the screens for the medical machines, or install the medical machines themselves. Ask reception to speak to maintenance first, and go from there.

The truth of the matter is that the longer and more intimately people have worked with CRT tech, the more interested in it they are, the more they'll be happy to talk, and the more you'll get out of them. This is a helpful if general rule. The busier someone is, and the crabbier as a person, the harder it gets.

Pt 2 to follow...

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:13:04 2016 No.3222669

>>3222668
cont...

Remember that these people are doing you a favour. You're wasting their professional time, not the other way around. You might even offer to do some work for them, help out, volunteer, or whatever. This can be an administrative nightmare due to OHS & liability, but it might work.

Another tip is to sit on your hands. If you do find a set you want, but people want to much money for it, wait. Call back in a year, and point out that if it hasn't sold, it's not going to. If you then offer something, it may be better than nothing. It won't work with everyone, but you never know.

There are a few obvious places to start searching, beyond ebay/gumtree/craigslist/etc/. In 2016, in a very rough order of most- to least likely, you might try:

1. Regional TV stations:
These guys may not have upgraded for a while, and may even still use CRT for colour correction or SD reformatting. People in regional areas are using CRTs more, and regional studios deliver content to look ok on those sets.

2. Production companies:
These guys all used high-end CRT's as well. Might be companies who did film, TV, documentaries or advertising. A lot of them will still have stuff floating around, even if it's not in use. They will also likely know a lot of other people in the industry, and are a good source of contacts.

3. AV/Presentation companies:
Sort of a loose category. It includes guys who do corporate video, expos, conventions, etc. Possibly also video walls, public exhibitions, but that might be better filed below...

4. Production rental companies:
Places that rent to film or TV-commercial sets, or to people producing live events. Or people recording something else. Most of these firms will have CRT's floating around. They'll also be reluctant to sell for cheap, but you can try.

Pt 3 to follow...

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:14:06 2016 No.3222672

>>3222669
cont...

5. Hospitals:
Go gently. Ask for maintenance, or whoever takes care of the medical imaging machines. They may have some in storage, and they won't want to go digging. When you do find the right people, your best bet by far is to get them talking, whether that's about CRT's or about the godawful state of the health system and how shit their funding is. Feel things out.

6. Auction yards:
Govt. departments and studios and other places are always dumping lots onto auction and sales yards. Pickles and Gray's in Australia have had lots up in the last few years, and there have to be similiar places in the US. Can be hard to find if you're not combing the listings of like ten places daily, and you may not want to buy 10 sets when they do come up.

7. Art Galleries:
Video walls, video installations, performance art production, that kind of thing. Ask for the guys who'd take care of a video installation.

8. TV stations in Major cities:
Usually tapped out. They'll have gotten rid of their CRTs years ago. Still worth a try, and you may get a few leads.

9. Schools/Colleges known for Film/TV/production courses:
Would often have high-end gear. Like in a hospital, the right people can be very hard to reach though, through the administration. Be patient, and be prepared to get the runaround as people have no idea who you should be talking to.

10. OB companies.
OB stands for Outside Broadcast, and some of these firms are so small all they had was a single broadcast truck from which they would sell regional coverage back to the major studios. Some of them are on contract, perhaps covering sporting events or the horse-racing, etc. They often know a lot about who's doing what, locally. Besides, the broadcast trucks are packed with gear, and when they decomission one...

Pt 4 to follow...

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:18:52 2016 No.3222679

>>3222672
cont...

11. Security firms
Low end gear, possibly only black&white sets. Worth a shot, or they wouldn't be on the list.

12. Other:
The military, the police, the emergency services, other arms of government or public bodies. This may sound crazy or weird, but it isn't. The RAAF (Australian Airforce) maintained its own in-house production studios for over 15 years, finally closing them some time in the late 2000's, apparently. The Victorian Police did too, and theirs might be still going. Rumour has it the fire dept of Victoria also had one. Finding the right people might be a nightmare. Most of the organisation will have no idea the production facility or capability exists within their ranks. For the RAAF example above, you might have tried general enquiries line > media relations > ???

13. Other other:
Stuff I haven't thought of or don't know about. Feel free to add to this pasta!

Share the wealth! Don't sell for more than you paid, save to cover reasonable expenses. And if you find a set or lot but can't or don't want to pick it up, let other people know!

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 21:20:35 2016 No.3222686 >>3222557 not him but what's wrong with it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:22:10 2016 No.3222690 What are the chances of finding some dealer that still has Sony 330YB22 tubes in stock?

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:29:20 2016 No.3222702

>>3222672
Holy shit I'm so fucking stupid. My sister works at a goddamn hospital. All this time trying to find PVMs everywhere and I never thought to ask her to check the one she works at. I had even considered that angle before, but never thought to use the most obvious resource I had.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 21:36:41 2016 No.3222723 [SPOILER]

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>>3222565
>all flat tubes are designed to be thinner
Not really. I recently picked up an 'insignia' (best buy) 20" set for a friend of mine who develops NES games and wants a CRT for his Zapper game to work (it's pong where zappers work as wiimotes). He was happy with just composite and s-video. Anyway the tube is just as deep as the ones in my PVM-20L5 and PVM-1944Q, but flat.

>>3222593
I'll die before all usable CRTs do. And anyway short of phosphors burning out you can rebuild electron guns and re-seal tubes. No one does it professionally anymore but it is still possible (if labor-intensive) to do.

From historical tubes (my oldest is from 1967 but the oldest I've seen is a B&W one from 1953 in a factory break room) I can say that some tubes will still exist and work when I die.

>>3222668
Also remember that volunteering at a PBS station you can look around and see if they still use tubes (or hear the 15khz buzz). I got friendly with the station by volunteering there for pledge drives and shit because I needed to do 20 hours of volunteer work for my school to let me graduate.

During a break I went to the station engineer and asked about test pattern generators (something I'd been interested in for years but never actually used or known how to calibrate with). I did not ask about RGB CRTs then and there.

Way later I emailed him and told him something like 'hi, I'm [Free 20L5 Guy]. I'm a station volunteer. I talked to you a while abck about SMPTE color bars and pattern sources. I've got a project I'm working on that I need a display with RGB inputs for, and I'm wondering if you have any CRT monitors you're getting rid of soon. Would you be willing to sell/give me one instead of recycling it?' (At the time I was working on a crosshatch generator that utilized an ATmega32U4 microcontroller to create RGB signals).

Those aren't the exact words, but it was something to that effect. It worked.

Pictured: best pic of the depth of that flat tube.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:37:41 2016 No.3222726 does someone has the mitsubishi xc3730 manual ?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 21:37:57 2016 No.3222728 >>3222690 What monitors/TVs were they used in? You'll probably find someone eventually. Even better find other monitors/TVs that might use it for cheap and check inside them.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Tue May 17 21:39:03 2016 No.3222731 >>3222723 whoops. didnt mean to spoilertag that.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Tue May 17 21:41:27 2016 No.3222738

>>3222686
I'll take a picture later, but I didn't have time to truly test the set. When I simply powered it on without any input, the top part of the screen seems to have tearing issues, like I had paused a VHS tape or something. With any luck it's a quirk with the set and proper input would be unaffected. With medium luck it's an issue I can fix with degaussing or opening up the unit and fishing around. With bad luck the aperture grille/shadow mask/whatever the fuck this thing uses is damaged and I may as well toss it.

It's a Samsung Slimfit tube from 2006 or so. The only reason I picked it up from the local food bank was the HDMI and component inputs, which sparked my interest.

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:43:28 2016 No.3222743

>>3222723
>Also remember that volunteering at a PBS station you can look around and see if they still use tubes
Seems an oddly self-centred way to say that volunteering first and asking about CRT's second might not be a bad way around, but ok. It probably isn't for everyone though, and the guide was meant to be general. Also, pledge drives are some sort of weirdly American-specific thing, like pep rallies and your political circus :)

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:56:25 2016 No.3222770
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Alright, I'm looking to display 224p, 240p, and 480p signals from my computer to a consumer CRT (not a fan of the thick scanlines from professional and PC monitors) using component.

I know I can use a DisplayPort to VGA adapter to get analog RGB from a modern GPU, and run that signal to go through an Extron VSC 500 to get 15khz 480i and 480p signals into the television through component.
However, this does not account for 224p and 240p, as the VSC models don't allow for low resolution output.

I understand that I can run the signal through the scan converter for 480i, and then through an RGB interface such as the Extron RGB 109xi to achieve proper low-resolution output, but I believe I lose out on component output.

Can anyone confirm this information?
Is there a proper solution for this?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:04:12 2016 No.3222790 >>3222770 Some active HDMI -> VGA converters WILL push 240p @ 60Hz if you feed it to them, then you'd just need a VGA -> YPbPr transcoder.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:11:10 2016 No.3222809 >>3222728 The service manual of the PVM 1271Q says ituses it. It was probably used in other monitors of the mid-late 80s.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:20:19 2016 No.3222826

>>3222790
I currently use a DVI to VGA converter and I can push 240p @ 60fps through that, but I use a PC CRT monitor that doesn't allow for 15khz so it can't display it. Even if it did, it would have those thick scanlines I mentioned before.

If I were to connect that VGA output to a VGA -> YPbPr transcoder, would I be able to skip the expensive scan converters and have quality low-res output on a consumer TV?
What would be a decent model to achieve this?

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:57:43 2016 No.3222913
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>>3222672
Can vouch for colleges, especially ones with TV stations. I work at one and they were randomly throwing out 3 decent 8-14" PVMs. Mostly composite/S-Video stuff but I got some cool finds just by asking. Make a friend who works at a college.

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:10:25 2016 No.3222935
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Can someone recommend me a good CRT at around the 20inch size range?

I looked at the pastebin and was a bit surprised not to see a big "master list" type of deal with a bunch of various tvs and their info.

I've heard the sony PVM/BVMs are great, but I can't really find anything bigger than 14". My local craigslist is full 34" Trinitrons, but I can't really seem to find anything I know for sure is nice that doesn't weigh 250 pounds.

Necessary: No lag, composite input, nice scanlines with 240p, sharp enough to read even small text at 480i ( <--- this is where my current consumer set fails), has to be carryable by one (strong) male.

Strong preference: S/Video and or Component inputs

Nice to have: 480p (maybe even higher too???) as long as it, introduces NO lag, RGB inputs, scanlines with 480i or even 480p would be cool too. I guess my preference would be for a "flat" tube vs a rounded one.

Might even be okay with a 16:9 tv, if they make one that could also display 4:3 input natively somehow (analog?) without adding lag.

Color accuracy, geometry are not too important to me as long as it's not horrible. I am very bothered by flickering so something that looks okay with 480i content is needed.

My current consumer ~20" CRT does fine for my mild scanline 240p needs, so this tv would mostly be for PS2 and Gamecube (Wii) use.

I'm in the south SF Bay Area, Burgerland. I have a decent job so I'm willing to spend up to ~$250-300 on the right set, but I don't have time or inclination really to hang around hospital maintenance departments or whatever when I get off work.

TL;DR - Meme me a 20" CRT

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:19:11 2016 No.3222954

>>3222913
>campus TV
Another uniquely American institution :) I wasn't thinking of that, but I'll add it to v0.2, thanks.

>>3222770
It seems like you want to to take an HD signal, convert it, downscale it to 15kHz, adding lag, convert it, then re-upscale it to a 480p capable consumer TV, adding more lag. Each scaling is doing to lose video quality to boot. The end result it going to be a mess.

just a suggestion but if you want component, a lot of GPU's with an S-Video port (mini-din 8 or 9) were capable of outputting component via it. You used to get the adapter in the box. You won't get 240p that way, but doing it your original way is kinda pointless.

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:24:31 2016 No.3222972

>>3222935
A smaller consumer Trinitron would almost do, save reading text at 480i. If that's really important, and if the flickering bothers you from the PS2, your only option is a professional monitor. Especially for 480p, as the number of consumer sets with multiformat capability (and thus no lag) is not long.

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:41:06 2016 No.3223007

>>3222972

>list is not long

Do you have any list of keywords I could search to find out more, or maybe even just one model you can think of that has this ability?

I didn't realize that PVMs actually come in a 20" variety, but at least off ebay they end up around $450 (after shipping) for ones that look good.

Do PVM's have multiformat capability?

I can stretch to $500 ish, but at that price I probably want it to be perfect (for me). At $<50-250 ish I'm much more willing to accept minor 'flaws' like interlace only, but horizontal resolution for clear text and "non annoying" interlace flickering are mandatory.

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:46:50 2016 No.3223020
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So guys, remember this post >>3214606 I made about the HDMI to YUV / VGA converter on amazon? The seller responded to a question I asked, however I think they might just be trying to get a sale out of me either without understanding the question or because they just don't care. I asked "Can this converter carry a 240p signal for playing retro games from a PC?" and they answered with "yes, it support up to 1080p." Broken English doesn't really inspire much confidence. The fact that the only review is also written in somewhat broken English makes me suspect the seller is not entirely honest and likely wrote the review themselves.

There's a cheaper HDMI to YUV / VGA converter on Amazon (pic related) but the reviews are mixed, although it at least has multiple reviews. None of the reviews or questions seem to say whether or not it can do 240p from a PC, so I might just have to ask it myself.

The one I was looking at earlier was $40 an this one is $27, so it wouldn't hurt my wallet quite as hard if it turns out not to do what I want, although I'd rather find out beforehand than be stuck with a piece of junk that I can't get rid of.

Anonymous Tue May 17 23:55:05 2016 No.3223034

>>3223007
Some PVM's are multiformat, some BVM's too. There are also sets bother other manufacturers, of course.

In short, if it says "multiformat" on the top right of the bezel, or somewhere in the description, it probably is. L5 PVMs, D-series BVMs and A-series BVMs might be easiest to start with. Post up here if you find a set you're not sure about, and for further info so you don't end up in trouble.

I have no idea what you mean by "interlace only" but any set that does 15kHz will do both 240p and 480i quite happily. or clear text, a PVM or BVM will have a nice high line count.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:56:48 2016 No.3223036 >>3223007 Clear text has more to do with signal quality, in either 240p or 480i. Also, since you said it's more for ps2 and wii, the choice would be an EDTV, but it seems only +29" monsters carry component inputs with 480p capacity.

Anonymous Wed May 18 00:05:52 2016 No.3223053

>>3223034

>L5 PVM, D-series BVM and A-series BVM

Thanks. Yeah I'd just found that PVM-20L5 are multiformat, and came back to post about it. The only I see is $500 .... well I went back to go grab the link and it seems someone just bought it in the last 10 minutes. One of you gents?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-HR-TRINITRON-MULTIFORMAT-PVM-20L5-CVM-W-120D-CARD-W-DEGAUSS-BUTTON-/282033800331

hmm... I found something else that looks kind of interesting but now I'm not sure if I should post it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:16:59 2016 No.3223071 >>3221981 Did a bit of searching, what abould something like el1883 for separating both?

Anonymous Wed May 18 00:20:33 2016 No.3223074

Hmm.... I see some 15kz-only 20" stuff in my price range, and some multiformat stuff at 15" and under, but no goldilocks multiformat stuff at 20" (besides that one that just got bought).

I have pretty terrible vision, so I'm not sure if I could get cozy my a recliner with anything less than ~20". I have a 13" tv that feels much too small when I try to play it from my comfy chair.

Does anyone here use a <= 15" display as their daily driver? Do you play PS2 era games on it?

I don't think I'll be impulse-buying anything tonight, so I'll leave this here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAMI-HTM-1505RA1-Color-Monitor-w-DKM-501-HD-SDI-SD-SDI-Input-module-/331837330992

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:25:41 2016 No.3223081 >>3223074 Man, with how scarce PVM's have been recently, I really feel lucky with my minty $50 PVM 20M2MDU. Should have bought some L5's back in 2012 when people knew fuck all about tubes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:26:46 2016 No.3223083 >>3223074 >http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAMI-HTM-1505RA1-Color-Monitor-w-DKM-501-HD-SDI-SD-SDI-Input-module-/331837330992 >Monitor work ok however it has some letters burnt on the CRT - Turner . Why.jpg

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 00:37:22 2016 No.3223103
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>>3222669
>Regional TV stations:
Do you mean, as in, smaller stations/rural stations? As I think that term might be a better/clearer way to put it.

That said, I'll toss it together in a pastebin and toss it in the next OP.

>>3222726
Just a leaflet of sorts, not full manual. You can try searching for yourself, but I've talked with multiple people with the sets and it always comes back that you just can't find it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0n7i6p5h9mn6bb5/Mitsubishi+MegaView+Pro+37+%28XC-3730C%29+Monitor+Manual.TIF
Not your standard PDF or image files; I use Honeyview to view it personally, and even that doesn't work out terribly well.

>>3223036
>It seems only +29" monsters carry component inputs with 480p capacity.
Sony made a few 27'' ED/HD CRTs, and some even have HDMI.
Not going to be lag free, even for 480p sources though. Only 2 frames, but still.

>>3223081
>Should have bought some L5's back in 2012 when people knew fuck all about tubes.
Still upset I didn't grab a 20L5 when they were still "common" in the $200 or so area.

Anonymous Wed May 18 00:46:29 2016 No.3223114

>>3223083

oh wow, that's what I get for disabling javascript.

I also found a pair of multiformat-capable JVC's, but they are lacking the RGB/YPbPr input card and I can't seem to find the card for sale anywhere:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-Broadcast-CRT-Monitor-19-0R-4-PGM-Model-DT-V1910CG-DTV-Component-Multi-/231764962684

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-Broadcast-CRT-Monitor-19-0R-I-PGM-Model-DT-V1910CG-DTV-Component-Multi-/262215073484

Looks like I may have to creep around PBS stations after all. I hang out and feel comfortable in electronics surplus stores, but the one I usually go to is all ham-tists, I don't think I've ever seen a TV in there.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:53:32 2016 No.3223131 >>3223103 > smaller stations/rural stations? > I'll toss it together in a pastebin and toss it in the next OP. updated with suggestions made here, and ready to go: https://my.mixtape.moe/pjwqbp.docx

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 00:55:16 2016 No.3223136

>>3222743
>Seems an oddly self-centred way to say that volunteering first and asking about CRT's second might not be a bad way around, but ok. It probably isn't for everyone though, and the guide was meant to be general.
Yeah, I know it comes off that way. I actually mainly volunteered there because I am genuinely interested in broadcasting and video in general. When I realized they hadn't gotten rid of their CRTs yet I got excited by the prospect, though.

>Also, pledge drives are some sort of weirdly American-specific thing, like pep rallies and your political circus :)
Yeah, I know in Britain you pay a license fee when you buy a television and pay taxes and that's how the BBC is funded. We don't have that unfortunately. Which is part of why the Beeb produces so much more content :|

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 00:57:35 2016 No.3223138 >>3223053 I actually had no idea it was 'multiscan' when I got my 20L5. Was just a nice suprise later on. Unfortunately they tend to go for stupid prices like that if you are stuck with ebay.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:58:44 2016 No.3223140 >>3223136 >We don't have that unfortunately. On the upside we don't have 24/7 propaganda telling us to accept terrorists and rapefugees or we are racyss.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 00:59:44 2016 No.3223141 >>3223053 >>3223138 Also I seem to remember some other anon got a 20L5 free on here a few months ago. They are out there! Seek them out! >>3223140 Also unfortunately we have some ads on PBS - the BBC is 100% ad-free in britain.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:04:25 2016 No.3223151 >>3223141 >the BBC is 100% ad-free in britain. Ads are a welcome respite from the liberal propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:06:37 2016 No.3223156 >>3223114 the jvc/panasonic rgb card can go +$100. Half of the reason I bought an SD JVC 100€ was because it had the RGB card and that it can be re-used on a DTV monitor.

Anonymous Wed May 18 01:08:15 2016 No.3223158

>>3223140
>accept terrorists
You mean accept the US - the only nation to be censured by the international criminal court for terrorism. How can any dirt-poor partisan or movement possibly compete with those resources and propaganda? Clearly worked on you.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:17:19 2016 No.3223167 >>3223156 hmm.... so the RGB card from non-multiscan displays is exactly the same and can be used in a multiscan display? I will look into this tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:26:00 2016 No.3223179 >>3223167 yes, for JVC/Panasonic monitors at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:37:37 2016 No.3223191 File: 437 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0838.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh yeah

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:42:03 2016 No.3223197 >>3223191 >TN

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:43:46 2016 No.3223198 File: 446 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0842.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3223191 works well enough. gonna get a better active matrix screen and make a 3D printed faux mini crt tv and NES case Rpi.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:53:49 2016 No.3223216 >>3220716 What do Multiscan monitors have over non multi scan monitors? I have this exact model and have played my PS2 (non retro I suppose) and it looks fine. Am I missing something?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 01:58:05 2016 No.3223225 File: 496 KB, 640x480, snes screen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3223198 Heh, neat. I did something similar many years ago using guts from a portable DVD player and legos (and a LM386 op-amp)

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 01:59:50 2016 No.3223231 >>3223216 resolutions other than 480i/240p without shitty digital scaling.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:59:58 2016 No.3223232 >>3223216 you can play 480p and above on it. DC, PS2 (compatible games or forced), Xbox, GC (with $500 cable)... 1 monitor to rule them all basically.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 02:01:43 2016 No.3223236 >>3223232 >with $500 cable)... Even with that exaggeration, the Wii is a decent stand in.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 02:02:48 2016 No.3223239 >>3223232 >(with a $500 cable) Alternately (I've never done this) https://github.com/ikorb/gcvideo if you know how to use a FPGA.

Anonymous Wed May 18 02:07:52 2016 No.3223248

>>3223103
I don't know who was the fucker that though a multipage tif was a good idea, but he can go fuck himself.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=48280411859897978002

>>3223236
hey, I'm only exagerating twice too much
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-Gamecube-Component-Cable-/322109160748?hash=item4aff33bd2c:g:yDsAAOSw3mpXOBWe

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 02:26:54 2016 No.3223293

>>3223248
Beats me, but I've just been too lazy too lazy to change it. Never went into it often enough to find it annoying enough.
I'll start linking that one around instead though, thanks.

And as for the Component cable, I'm aware. If I had to pay even close to what they're going for now, I'd just stick to S-Video and/or a Wii.
Content sticking with my D-Terminal cable and RCA adapter.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 02:32:28 2016 No.3223312 >>3221957 Is anyone able to guesstimate what Sony PVMs I might have won here? What inputs they might have?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 02:35:37 2016 No.3223327 >>3223293 Isn't the D-terminal one also stupidly expensive now? Like earthbound-level stupid?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 02:36:52 2016 No.3223334 >>3223312 Almost definitely RGB for both, gonna pull 'PVM-1954Q' out of my ass for the bottom one.

Anonymous Wed May 18 02:45:54 2016 No.3223371
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>>3223334
It's one sexy looking CRT. Could definitely be it. Thanks man.

I plan to drive out next week before class to pick them up from Burbank. Hopefully both CRTs will fit in my tiny Hyundai Tiburon haha.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 02:47:54 2016 No.3223378
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>>3223371
No problem.

I have a 1944Q (4 years earlier than the 1954Q, I think the 1954Q was a successor of sorts), and it's a great 600TVL PVM. Both of those (1954Q and 1944Q) support YPbPr and RGB inputs.

You know you have an old monitor when the manual mentions the Apple II.

Anonymous Wed May 18 02:49:17 2016 No.3223382

>>3223334
>>3223312

I reckon the top one might be an N series set, from the grey surround vs the black surround on the lower set. Not the best PVM but still an awesome set overall, if it's one with RGB.

Lower set probably a 1952/4Q/QM or a 20M4/M2/MD, as Free20L5 says
Otherwise

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 02:53:14 2016 No.3223390 [DELETED]

>>3223312
>>3223334
Agreed on the 1954q. HRTrinitron badge and grey power switch, rather than SFP and green switch(1944) or Trinitron with grey switch (M2).

Top one had me a bit confused for a second, but the standard Trinitron badge and 5 knobs on the front panel make me want to say it's a 20L2.

Both are 600TVL monitors, and both will support RGB and Component.
1954 will match the back of a 20M2(2 Composite, 1 S-Video, 1 RGB/Component)
20L2 will match the rest of the (1 Composite/S-Video, 1 Composite, 1 RGB/Component)

>>3223382
>N series set
Not with that many different toggle buttons on it's not.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 02:56:46 2016 No.3223398

>>3223327
Just as expensive, yeah, but when I managed to grab mine, it only put me back $70 for the cable(in box even) from a UK seller, and $15 or so for the adapter from SolarisJapan.

>>3223312
>>3223334
Agreed on the 1954q. HRTrinitron badge and grey power switch, rather than SFP and green switch(1944) or Trinitron with grey switch (M2).

Top one had me a bit confused for a second, but the standard Trinitron badge and 5 knobs on the front panel make me want to say it's a 20L2.

Both are 600TVL monitors, and both will support RGB and Component.
1954 will match the back of a 20M2(2 Composite, 1 S-Video, 1 RGB/Component)
20L2 will match the rest of the (1 Composite/S-Video, 1 Composite, 1 RGB/Component)

>>3223382
>N series set
Not with that many different toggle buttons on it's not.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 03:54:47 2016 No.3223535 File: 3.18 MB, 3038x2014, DSC_0764.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] finished RGB-modding that SNES mini from the anon on the other thread.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 04:50:56 2016 No.3223603

>>3223371
I can tell you from experience that the 1954Q will fit in a volvo 850 sedan's trunk; not sure how that compares with a tiburon.

If you can move the passenger front seat enough you could probably squeeze one into the rear passenger seat.

Good luck, and have fun. If it',s anything like my 1944Q (and it should be), it'll be an excellent monitor.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 05:45:28 2016 No.3223657 >>3223371 Clear out your trunk and put down your back seats and they should fit. I had an Integra and could fit a 20L5 in it. Have a Corolla now and can actually fit less. Wish I had a hatchback again.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:41:58 2016 No.3223839 Is there something that i can search for that isnt 'PVM" in the name? Something that someone who doesnt know what it is would list it as (and thus might sell it cheap)? Color monitor? RGB monitor? studio tv?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:47:05 2016 No.3223843 >>3223839 Trinitron, SONY Monitor, etc; Consumer sets aren't the devil either. Some are badass.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:34:41 2016 No.3224028 >>3223535 Lets see the hot glue and off center rca plugs.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:42:36 2016 No.3224042 >>3223371 If I could fit the front chassis of a dead XM29 in the front seat of a 1996 Monte Carlo, I think you'll be alright.

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:57:32 2016 No.3224061

>>3223603
>20L5 guy drives a fucking Volvo
It's like you're some kind of caricature of hipster scum, holy shit. To be fair, I half-expected you not to own a car, but instead one of those 40-year-old Italian road bikes with a stupid fixed-gear modification.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:00:44 2016 No.3224065 >>3222042 At this rate, it isn't a certain thing, especially depending on what region you live in. Your best bet is to keep looking, but maybe start saving some money on the side to buy a stupidly-overpriced one in the future.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:08:33 2016 No.3224078 File: 261 KB, 803x615, thefuck.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I missing something here? What the fuck are people doing spending this money?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:09:54 2016 No.3224079 >>3224078 Hipsters.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:11:34 2016 No.3224081 >>3224078 What are you talking aboot? It says "gaming" therefore it's worth it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:15:04 2016 No.3224086 >>3224078 >>3224079 >>3224081 It's called shipping charges, children.

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:16:52 2016 No.3224087
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>>3224078
>tfw I got a 32" sony trinitron for free from a frat house

The sad part is that i had to get rid of it because it was over 200lbs and i had nowhere to put it. but I kept it for a bout a year and had some fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:21:45 2016 No.3224097 >>3224079 But even if they're hipsters, why not just pay a fraction of the price at a thrift store or charity shop, or better still, spend minimal effort to find someone throwing their old crt out for free?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:23:08 2016 No.3224103 >>3224086 Those prices don't include shipping charges

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:24:41 2016 No.3224105 >>3224097 The goodwills in Columbus Oh (maybe national) no longer accept CRT tvs as item, a shit ton of them got tossed

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:28:35 2016 No.3224112

Look in your local paper or check those shitty little bulletin boards outside of your grocery store. I guarantee someone is holding an electronics recycling day in your area once every three months or so.

There should be 3-5 sleazy looking dudes hanging around a big ass trailer. Give one a $20 and have your pick of TV's.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:33:14 2016 No.3224123 >>3224103 Don't think you understand how ebay works. I'm going to charge a lot for an item that I have to spend time creating a crate in order to ship for.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:35:45 2016 No.3224129 >>3224123 >what is "local pickup only (no shipping)" ?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:37:00 2016 No.3224131 >>3223535 I did the mod and got smearing, how did you do it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:38:46 2016 No.3224135 >>3224131 properly

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:39:00 2016 No.3224137

>>3224129
Can't tell you from that screenshot.

If you think people asking a lot of old ass TVs is a new and "hipster" thing well you don't get out much. That same old VCR guy at the swapmeet is there all the time asking dumb prices like he has for years.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:45:01 2016 No.3224148 File: 224 KB, 600x542, Screen Shot 2016-05-18 at 17.44.12.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone know anything about this tv?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:47:04 2016 No.3224150 >>3224137 No you stupid faggot. People asking for a lot of money for outdated/old/useless shit is not a hipster thing. But people actually PAYING a lot of money for those items is, and always has been. That's what we're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:49:08 2016 No.3224152 >>3224150 >bad purchase decision are hipster I can't keep up with the kid's buzzwords anymore I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:51:11 2016 No.3224157 >>3224152 When it's buying outdated technology, yes. That's practically the definition of hipster. Hipsters not only pay too much for old shit, they then brag about it, like it shows their dedication to being obsolete.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:53:31 2016 No.3224163 >>3224157 Win7/8 users are hipsters. Ok makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:57:46 2016 No.3224170 >>3224163 I didnt pay for windows 7 though so its okay

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:59:11 2016 No.3224176 >>3224135 I feel like I followed the wrong directions, it just seems super easy and I'm not sure how I fucked up

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:59:13 2016 No.3224178 >>3224170 >I stole it so it doesn't count as hipster You kids got some complicated slang these days.

Anonymous Wed May 18 13:07:54 2016 No.3224192

>>3224148
I know from experience that this manufacturer makes really crappy TVs, all CRT ones are prone to get dry solder joints very quickly which will wreck high voltage circuits and much more.
Another thing is that it may forces interlacing on 240p/288p and could have sync problems with NES and possibly other /vr/ systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:21:38 2016 No.3224208 >>3224176 Take some pics of what you did, maybe? Perhaps someone here can spot a boo-boo.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:34:00 2016 No.3224232 >>3224192 Dang. Thanks for the info fampai

Anonymous Wed May 18 13:46:58 2016 No.3224265

>>3224028
>lets see that hot glue and off center RCA

the guy wanted RGB on the multi-av port and provided his cable for it, and all parts. No hot glue or RCA jacks.

Again, turns out I do things according to what I'm asked to do when I'm working for someone else.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 13:49:19 2016 No.3224271 >>3224265 whoops. that's what happens when I visit other threads.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 13:59:50 2016 No.3224290 File: 2.71 MB, 4160x3120, IMG_20160518_135545.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3224061 Feel the hate flow through you. And at least it's not a 240 (I love them though).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:01:52 2016 No.3224292 >>3224265 >>3224271 Post pics.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:31:40 2016 No.3224345 >>3221513 Will this somehow improve image quality as compared to composite?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 15:26:38 2016 No.3224431 Which TVs used the Sony CXA2025AS US decoder IC? Apparently that produced vivid reds on NES NTSC composite video.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 15:40:01 2016 No.3224449 File: 50 KB, 380x512, Screenshot 2016-05-18 14.24.31.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how the hell do I get 180hz out of this thing? The max I've gotten is 144hz at 800x600. I tried 640x480, even 320x240, and it wouldn't go to 180hz.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 15:41:46 2016 No.3224451 >>3224449 Do I need to set 16 bit color or some memery?

Anonymous Wed May 18 16:55:04 2016 No.3224581

>>3224431
>Which TVs used the Sony CXA2025AS US decoder IC?
It would make more sense to find out which chassis did use these, then just search TVs with that chassis.

>Apparently that produced vivid reds on NES NTSC composite video.
The TDA8362/8361 does that too, the colorbar patterns produced by both /vr/ gear and PC S-Video in NTSC mode had an significant boost in red, the reason why I saw a blue only mode (in my video processor/switcher) as pointless for NTSC hue calibration purposes.
Only that colorbar pattern was an awful sight as it looked very wrong but everything else looked pretty okay with the right hue setting.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 17:50:27 2016 No.3224687 >>3224449 >>3224451 I've never seen 180hz myself, are you 100% sure that's accurate info? Looks like a sidebar on google and who knows how accurate that is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:59:34 2016 No.3224707 >>3224687 I saw it in the manual

Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 18:04:54 2016 No.3224720

>>3224707
Well then, if Windows doesn't show any options for 180hz refresh rates, you may have to get wild and install a monitor profile/inject profiles. Check if Viewsonic ever offered a program to do this or driver (I doubt they did but who knows).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:17:27 2016 No.3224736 >>3224720 That's what I'm saying. I used my graphics card dealy to make new profiles. That's how I was able to do 800x600 at 120hz and 144hz. Also 2048x15something at 60. When I try anything at 180 it messes up.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 18:26:46 2016 No.3224750 >>3224736 Found your answer: http://www.manualslib.com/manual/266469/Viewsonic-G810.html?page=6#manual Seems 180hz is only possible at 640x480, which you already tried. Maybe it's your graphics card or Windows.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:31:51 2016 No.3224754 Is the Zenith Z25A64W a good TV?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:34:50 2016 No.3224767 >>3224736 win7 and above have limits to refresh rate I think

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:12:51 2016 No.3224849 Convince me not to blow a week's salary on these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BVM-A20F1U-20-Broadcast-Monitor-w-BKM-62HS-HD-SDI-Module-BKM-16R-CP/191594837452 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKM-129X-Component-Analog-Input-card-/182124090735

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:19:57 2016 No.3224864 >>3224849 You need that money to pay rent and the power bill for the monitor to run.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:21:29 2016 No.3224869 >>3224720 You don't need one from viewsonic specifically. You need an EDID editor and a way to find the EDID of your monitor. I've done this in windows and OSX because they both suck (linux made it easy).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:22:46 2016 No.3224874 File: 58 KB, 5000x5000, Abel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3224849 >$1084.02 >for a monitor with 25k hours from 06

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:24:47 2016 No.3224878 >>3224849 if youre spending that much buy one of those new JVCs at least you know those wont get busted in shipping. They have old JVC 17in stock on amazon for 999.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:25:29 2016 No.3224880
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>>3224292
Okay, I emailed him pics too.

Note that the resistors he mailed me to use are way huge so I had to improvise a bit with them for the 'dimming' portion of the mod he wanted me to do.

Top side.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:28:01 2016 No.3224883 File: 638 KB, 3008x2000, snesmini-bottom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3224880 Bottom. he supplied all the parts and just wanted me to solder them down - not that easy to fuck up.

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:28:31 2016 No.3224885

>>3224849
Anon, the 129X is a half-size card for the 9-inch BVM and PVMs. It won't work with the A-series, you want the BKM 68X for that.

And If you're going to blow money on a BVM, go for one of the widescreen ones, IMO. Might as well us it for HD games, too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:30:24 2016 No.3224891 >>3224880 >>3224883 Didn't clean it or do a cap replacement? Does the RF shield even fit with those massive things?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:37:06 2016 No.3224906 >>3224891 Also >1.1k Ohms resistors You sure man?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:37:49 2016 No.3224908 >>3224906 He asked me to do exactly what was on the retrorgb page. So I did.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:37:53 2016 No.3224909 >>3224878 >>3224878 >NOS 17" JVC link/model number? multiformat (native 480p) is important to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:39:58 2016 No.3224916 >>3224908 Think that guy used 75 Ohm. Did you at least test it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:40:33 2016 No.3224919 >>3224883 How can you solder as much as you do and leave bad joints like that? Stop adding the solder to the iron first and hoping it'll stick, mb?

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:43:30 2016 No.3224928

>>3224891
>recap?
He didn't ask me to recap it, and anyway I've actually never had a SNES with bad caps. Also I only charged him $5 plus shipping for the whole thing since he supplied all the parts (except solder and heat shrink) and a SCART cable and adapter for BNC.
>Does the RF shield fit?
This SNES had no bottom RF shield. It was missing one of the screws on the bottom, so it could have been opened in the past. Should it have had a bottom RF shield? It only had a top one.

This is my first time seeing inside a SNES mini so I don't know what a stock one looks like if this isn't.

Also cleaned it out real good with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol and toothpicks, since that's a nice thing to do and I actually enjoy cleaning grime off consoles for some reason. Feels like auto detailing (what is done before car shows and auctions).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:44:52 2016 No.3224929 >>3224919 A dab of solder on the tip can help provide more surface area to transfer heat into the component you're soldering though. But yeah, shouldn't just flood the tip and hope enough transfers.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:44:54 2016 No.3224930 >>3224916 He used 750 Ohm. I guess it'll work but what does the picture looks like? >>3224919 May look messy but I'm sure those joints are fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:45:14 2016 No.3224934 File: 21 KB, 288x499, Kornheiser_Why.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3224767 >>3224750 >win7 has refresh rate limits fucking WHY

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:46:05 2016 No.3224935

>>3224916
Yes, and I posted a pic earlier. Dimmer than RGB from my 1chip but a lot like my older (nom-1chip) super famicom.

>>3224919
There are no bad joints (I checked and stress-tested all the connections and reflowed where necessary), and I had a shaky hand that night so I had to do my best.

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:46:45 2016 No.3224936

>>3224878
>>3224909

nm, found it: "DT-V1710CGU"

hmm... only 17" nominal, I was really looking for 20-25 inch nominal screens. I really like the size of my current 21" consumer set.

Also it seems to have the same problem as the links I posted yesterday - >>3223114 - the unit does not ship with the RGB/YPrPb card and they're impossible to find nowadays.

Can anyone recommend me any physical stores in the sf bay area to check out? I already know the usual thrift-store suspects, but I've never seen anything nice in them and I'm looking for a multiformat, 20"+ unicorn.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 19:47:56 2016 No.3224938 >>3224930 >actually goes to the snes mini page >ctrl+f brightness >1.1kohm http://retrorgb.com/snesminirgb.html

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:48:22 2016 No.3224939

>>3224928
>He didn't ask me to recap it, and anyway I've actually never had a SNES with bad caps
Haven't messed with many. I do it regardless but I get the customer didn't care.

>This SNES had no bottom RF shield.
I was mistaken there. They don't.

What does the picture look like?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:49:56 2016 No.3224942 >>3224938 Ah ok the 1chips he recommends 750 ohm. The mini is 1.1k ohm.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 20:12:31 2016 No.3224981 >>3224880 >resistors Those are capacitors right?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 20:13:54 2016 No.3224985 >>3224883 Never mind now I see the resistor pic. Watch thread from phone.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 20:16:01 2016 No.3224991 >>3224885 If anyone buys a wide BVM, PLEASE only use it for HD games. Don't burn in the center of the screen by playing 4:3 games. The uneven wear on the phosphors is really obvious and disappointing.

Anonymous Wed May 18 20:25:42 2016 No.3225018

>>3224929
>A dab of solder on the tip can help provide more surface area to transfer heat into the component you're soldering though.
You gotta pre-tin for that to work properly though, or use your third hand to add more solder so the flux makes it take. Pre-tinning is a much better idea. But he's obviously not doing either, and doesn't give a shit.

>>3224935
The fact the joints are all making contact doesn't make them "good" joints. Google it. They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still. If you don't lacquer that board those are going to go weak really fast, and even if you do, they're still a weak point.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 20:27:30 2016 No.3225024 >>3224981 Next shot, I think he meant. Those are like 2W resistors or something :)

Anonymous Wed May 18 20:27:55 2016 No.3225026

>>3225018
>The fact the joints are all making contact doesn't make them "good" joints. Google it. They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still. If you don't lacquer that board those are going to go weak really fast, and even if you do, they're still a weak point.
One hell of a google parrot you got going on there.

The work the guy did is fine.

Undesired Life Wed May 18 20:33:36 2016 No.3225034

>>3224991
There is low resolution 16:9 very few but some do it. I have a PS1 ghost in the shell game that has an in menu option for widescreen. Suprised the shit outta me to see it.

I assume its 480i 16x9 i doubt it would be 240p 16x9 at that point though I havent had a chance to try it yet.

Still trying to find or build a decent stand to house/hold 3 CRTs all at once.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 20:38:56 2016 No.3225040 File: 42 KB, 711x680, ff96575f39f75d5c76869ac4b7697af1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3224991 I've found a really nice widescreen BVM that I plan to play my retro games on.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 21:17:55 2016 No.3225127

>>3224939
I don't have all the electrolytics for a total SNES recap, anyway. And I'd have to charge more than $5 if I was recapping the console.

Picture looks really great. Not sure if it's better than my 1chip in terms of crispness but the overall quality of the amp IC being used makes me think it could well be (fast response).

A bit dimmer than my 1chip and my Genesis with RGB, about the intensity of s-video or composite video. Doesn't bother me since I just turn down contrast on my RGB consoles personally.

>>3225018
I do pre-tin, and you are obviously a piece of shit.

I know what a cold joint is. I reflowed when I made a bad one, and applied flux (this solder has rosin core, but I applied additional flux where needed).

>>3225024
Indeed that's what I meant. Looked like resistors from an old tube amp or something.

>>3225026
Thank you. I think he's just prejudiced against me because of my name.

@ 16:9 PVMs, I'd be okay with 4:3 and a masking bezel. Also I could get used to the burn in without a bezel, I have burn-in on my IBM RS232 ASCII terminal already.

Still, I'd try to avoid getting a 16:9 one just because 4:3 ones are plentiful and I'd prefer for the 16:9 ones to stay in proper condition for 16:9 use.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Wed May 18 21:18:13 2016 No.3225128 >>3225040 You sunavabitch. I have a particular set of skills. I will find you and take your widescreen BVM away if you use it for SD shit. I will leave a PVM 9L2 behind as my calling card. It won't have the analog input card.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Wed May 18 21:23:24 2016 No.3225136

>>3225018
also,
>They're patchy, you can see through some of the holes still.
You don't seem to realize that:
a) you don't need to solder all the pins on the multi-AV port for RGB.
b) due to a), many of the holes for pins don't even have solder pads, they just have solder resist (the blue stuff, traditionally it'd be green stuff) surrounding the pads. I would have put pads on all of them to reinforce the board, but I didn't design the board, unfortunately. I think some older revisions of the board had solder pads on each unused pin, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:55:20 2016 No.3225210 Has anyone had any console with bad cap?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:00:49 2016 No.3225218 >>3225127 >>3225136 >Thank you. I think he's just prejudiced against me because of my name. No. There's just people really that retarded. All they do is parrot google. >>3225210 Lots.

Anonymous Wed May 18 22:29:54 2016 No.3225273

>>3225026
>One hell of a google parrot
Sure it was, because I have absolutely zero experience with soldering.
>The work the guy did is fine.
Lol, ok. Enjoy having it fail in five years time.

>>3225136
>a) you don't need to solder all the pins on the multi-AV port for RGB.
Which affects your shoddy workmanship on the joints that are there how, precisely?
>b) due to a), many of the holes for pins don't even have solder pads.
So that silver ring around the blue line, that you completely failed to wet and produce an good joint on, is just a reflection? I will admit it might be the light, but if there is a pad there then you don't seem to realise that:
a) soldering is not just a case of heating metal
b) if all you do is a) you can expect bad joints and failure five to ten years down the line when the weak points corrode

So which is it?

Anonymous Wed May 18 22:49:30 2016 No.3225306

>>3225273
>Lol, ok. Enjoy having it fail in five years time.
How is it going to fail?

I'm not saying his work is pretty. It isn't. But it's fine in terms of functionality.
>So that silver ring around the blue line, that you completely failed to wet and produce an good joint on, is just a reflection? I will admit it might be the light, but if there is a pad there then you don't seem to realise that:
Try not being an ignorant retard. It may help. Not all those pins get soldered on that board.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:52:05 2016 No.3225314 my bvm seems to be emitting a louder whine than usual, is this anything to be worried about? I'm playing a Wii over component, if that matters.

Anonymous Wed May 18 23:10:25 2016 No.3225352

>>3225306
>Not all those pins get soldered on that board.
Wait, what? If it doesn't get used, why solder a wire to it? I'm talking about the joint at end with the permanent marker on the brown mainboard, labelled "B". Not the one on the blue amp board, that one is obviously empty. My bad if it's not actually the blue video line.

>How is it going to fail?
Why are cold joints bad?

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 23:27:12 2016 No.3225375

>>3225352
>My bad if it's not actually the blue video line.
It is. Those three through-holes go to the bottom of the video encoder

It might just be the lighting, but a lot of those connections look awfully grungy, either from flux or something else.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:31:35 2016 No.3225381 >>3225352 It looks fine to me man. No idea what you're talking about,.

D20 Anon Wed May 18 23:32:23 2016 No.3225382
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I've been banging my head against the wall with this issue for the past 5 hours so I figured I'd check in here.

I have a recently acquired Audio Authority Model 9A60 (a small, solid VGA/RGBHV to YPbPr Transcoder) and I'm trying to figure out how to push a 240p signal out from it.

My source is a generic Dell Latitude laptop with intel HD graphics 4000 which I have been struggling to get working with soft15khz. While I have been able to change the resolution of my chained monitors being fed via component (A BVM 145FU and a BVM D20F1U) to 320x240. However, despite this adjustment becoming available from screwing around with soft-15khz and quickres, the actual horizontal scan rate seems to not have changed from 31Khz, leaving my BVM 14F5U unable to sync and my D20F1U still stuck in 480p mode.

I seem to be at the end of my rope for software solutions since there are apparently none for people stuck with intel integrated graphics (work laptop), so I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a quality, minimal lag-inducing COMPONENT YPbPr Downscaler.

It needs to be able to accept 31Khz 480p (According to my D20F1U) and output 240p 15Khz with both the input and the output being YPbPr. I figure I can kill two birds with one stone and become able to use arcade emulation on my monitors in 240p as well as downscale PS2/Xbox 360 video output as well.

The reason it needs to be component is I'm planning to tie this into a component switcher with my other component systems since I don't plan on doing VGA to SCART any time soon.

Pictured: The Issue in action.

There also appears to be a slight sync issue on the bottom monitor though I have heard the 9A60 could have issues with timings from certain sources but I haven't adjusted this particular channel from my Playstation 2 setup either.

Anonymous Wed May 18 23:38:25 2016 No.3225394

>>3225381
You can clearly see a line between the ring and the wire on both sides of the board. That's a bad joint. If you can't see that there's no fucking way I would trust you to solder anything anywhere ever. And I shudder to think what that extra spike of silvery metal is, the one obscuring the first part of the line leading to the "B" in marker.

The whole job is, at best, slapdash.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:38:50 2016 No.3225396 >>3224849 Think of how it'll contribute to allowing those crazy prices to keep existing.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed May 18 23:41:46 2016 No.3225403

>>3225382
>The reason it needs to be component is I'm planning to tie this into a component switcher with my other component systems since I don't plan on doing VGA to SCART any time soon.
A simpler way to deal with this may have been to grab a cheap RGB Interface to process the RGBHV from your video card into RGsB; It'd still be RGB, yeah, but would mesh into a Component switch's three video lines nicely.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:43:43 2016 No.3225410 Anyone know of a good s-video switcher? My TV only has one s-video input but I have a SNES, n64, and genesis that all use s-video

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:48:03 2016 No.3225416 >>3225382 >9A60 Have you tried messing with the pot? >>3225394 >clearly No idea what you're talking about.

D20 Anon Wed May 18 23:50:20 2016 No.3225418

>>3225403
I already have the Audio Authority Transcoder in hand so I would really prefer the downscaling option.

If it comes down to not being able to find a quality YPbPr downscaler, I suppose I can sell it and look into a decent Extron or something.

>>3225416
You mean for the sync? I think I saw that earlier when I was checking the insides hoping there'd be dip switches to see if I could change the output resolution, sadly this has no native scaling capability.

Anonymous Wed May 18 23:52:54 2016 No.3225424

>>3225418
>You mean for the sync? I think I saw that earlier when I was checking the insides hoping there'd be dip switches to see if I could change the output resolution, sadly this has no native scaling capability.
There's a pot inside the 9A60. Have you messed with it? Often times the problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:56:11 2016 No.3225429 File: 875 KB, 320x240, 1338858112854.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What technology do projectors use? Are there lagless (lagless as CRTs anyway) projectors?

>>	D20 Anon Wed May 18 23:57:14 2016 No.3225435 >>3225424 Have tried messing with it a little. Shifts the picture a bit but doesn't seem to do anything about the upper corners.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:58:06 2016 No.3225437 >>3225435 Probably can't do it then.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:58:10 2016 No.3225439 >>3225429 Depends on the projector, but there are CRT projectors that are lagless. Modern projectors are most commonly DLP, less common are LCD projectors, and a few manufacturers make laser projectors.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:00:25 2016 No.3225441 File: 166 KB, 534x800, Kalht_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225439 You mean this sucker?

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:01:09 2016 No.3225443

>>3225416
Let's start slowly then.

Take a look at the lower pic, with the brown side of the PCB. Find where the R, G & B markings are in texta. See the joints of the wires there? Study them.

Now look up the board a little at the factory-soldered joints, the square ones that together mark out the rectangle for the cartridge slot on the other side. Notice how the solder around the factory joints forms a perfect meniscus up each pin? How there's no visible lines or divisions between the edge of the solder pad and the top of the pin, just a smooth, shiny transition?

Now look at his three joints below again, and explain how you think they're the same.

I think this is where I'm done, BTW. I no longer need the ad hominem shit. If anyone thinks it's hard to mimic those factory joints and produce something smooth, even, strong and long-lasting - if not perfectly identical each time - by hand, try soldering for the second time.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:02:52 2016 No.3225447 >>3225443 How about circle the part of the pic you're talking about?

D20 Anon Thu May 19 00:05:43 2016 No.3225454

>>3225437
May just cut the BS, sell the 9A60 and look into a good RGBHV to RGsB extron unit then since even if I get it downscaled, I'll still have this upper corner distortion issue (maybe). I remembered I can also configure the component input card to use RGB on a different channel so it wouldn't interfere with my switcher setup, as Kya suggested.

Any recommendations on a good converter unit? Minimal Lag preferred without harming image quality.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:07:35 2016 No.3225460
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>>3225447
RED = bad, done by him
BLUE = what solder joints need to look like to not be shit.

If you go up to the other pic, and look at the top side of the board, the joints aren't any better there, though he hasn't left flux all over that side.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:08:14 2016 No.3225461

>>3225382
http://retrorgb.com/emotia.html
this is the simplest solution

otherwise i suggest desktop with AMD HD 4xxx-7xxx

downscaling is a bitch and i never got it to work for me when i had a complicated setup, extron emotia is pretty much the only foolproof solution aside from desktop with old-ish graphics card

I had extron rgb interfaces and VSC boxes but i couldnt get them to work with windows 10 so im waiting until i get an AMD HD-7750 for my desktop to try using it for emulation.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:08:52 2016 No.3225463 >>3225460 Looks fine to me man. I think you may be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:09:49 2016 No.3225464 >>3225463 8/10 Man, I'm not having a good day or I never would have fallen for that. Well played nonethless, sir.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:10:38 2016 No.3225467

>>3225403
>>3225418
Those can introduce sync issues
for example on mine going from 480i to 240p introduced a warping problem with the scan along the top edge, even though I tried every pot and all that, I never could get it to work properly with sync on green on.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:10:45 2016 No.3225468 >>3225464 I'm serious. I think you may be retarded.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:12:25 2016 No.3225471

>>3225443

I'm a new dude to this conversation - I run a wave solder machine for a living, and do touch-ups to the boards.

Those joints are almost certainly electrically fine, those currents are tiny at best, and a video game console is extremely pampered heat and stress wise (compared to automotive). They are likely electrically set for the lifetime of the caps onboard.

That said, those joints would not pass QC here, at all. What are you soldering with, SAC305 and a lukewarm Aoyue or some shit? At least clean the flux off the board when you're done, damn. I mean you don't need to pressure wash it but at least hit it with some IPA and a q-tip or something. Leaving goopy flux residue everywhere is bad form, even if you used "no-clean" flux.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:16:29 2016 No.3225482 >>3225471 Some of the worst shit I've seen is automotive. You guys must buy that silicon goop by 50 gallon drums.

D20 Anon Thu May 19 00:22:15 2016 No.3225502
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>>3225467
Damn. Is RGBHV to RGBs my only stable option, then? I'd rather not have a repeat of the catastrophe of a night I've had with this 9A60, though I feel I would be hard pressed to find a simple 2-channel, 4/5-input BNC switcher to make it work well on my RGB side. Only thing I've seen like that are those gargantuan matrix switchers by extron which would be significant overkill.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu May 19 00:24:52 2016 No.3225510 >>3225467 The Extron, or the transcoder? At least for 480p+ sources, my cheap little 109rx hasn't had any issues with having the SoG dip set.

>>	D20 Anon Thu May 19 00:33:05 2016 No.3225534 >>3225510 Think I found something similar. This look about right for that? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTRON-RGB-192-UNIVERSAL-COMPUTER-INTERFACE-WITH-AUDIO-/221840437590?hash=item33a6b87156:g:ha0AAOSwLVZVuqwX

Kya !kDashing02 Thu May 19 01:02:30 2016 No.3225581
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>>3225534
Yeah, that's the sort of thing. I only went with the 109xi since it was so stupidly cheap.

Only issue with the one you linked is the power input; Looks like it uses an external power supply of Extron's, where mine just has a standard IEC connector.
50ft VGA cables on already sensitive monitors: Not even once.

D20 Anon Thu May 19 01:14:03 2016 No.3225605

>>3225581
Thanks. Yeah, that ghosting there is pretty ridiculous.

Not /vr/ related but does anime at 240p look any good? I know that's probably dropping half the image information since those 90s broadcasts were at 480i and I'm assuming you're at least 480p here. I could easily do 480p or 720p but I am curious how they might look with "scanlines." Like the cutscenes in Popful Mail, perhaps.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:49:42 2016 No.3225667 >>3220738 >>3220714

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:03:23 2016 No.3225687 >>3225605 Youre losing half the image so i wouldnt recommend it that being said i like how 480i looks.

Kya !kDashing02 Thu May 19 02:03:29 2016 No.3225689
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>>3225605
>ghosting
Signal reflection would be more accurate. Makes text "absolutely wonderful" to read.

Animu at 240p, though the idea is terribly neat and something I myself would like to see at some point, probably wouldn't look too great. As you said, the loss of information would probably result in a rather soft looking picture vertically, especially if you were doing something to sum lines together.

>assuming you're at least 480p here
I would have done 1440x1080 to match the video itself, but since I dropped back to Catalyst Control Center until I get a new GPU, that was at 1400x1050. Was mainly to see if my hunch on certain 1080p related issues with the Megaview was due to resolution width. Answer was: Seemingly, yes.

Bought this cable to tear apart and make higher quality cables for stuff, but decided to actually use it properly for something first. At least it lets me know my "new" RGB2 adapter doesn't have the same issues as the old cable solution.

>>3225667
Does full on cause "edge enhancement" like artifacting? You don't want that.
Does full off look too soft? If it looks so, the something nearer the "default" middle point might be better; Sort of something you should try to play by eye.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:04:23 2016 No.3225690 >>3225667 Open it and look for any knobs inside and report back.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:05:57 2016 No.3225692

>>3225460
>If you go up to the other pic, and look at the top side of the board, the joints aren't any better there, though he hasn't left flux all over that side.
>he left flux all under the bottom side
or maybe, just maybe, Nintendo didn't clean all the flux off the bottom side. Ever think of that?

expecting me to do the job of an automatic wave solder machine is a bit stupid, to be frank.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:10:25 2016 No.3225703

>>3225471
also my solder is positively ancient leaded flux from the 80s or 90s.

All the spool says is 'SOLDER - Rosin Core, 1 Lb. Made in USA'

So no, not lead-free SAC305 shit.

And my iron? Pace MBT-210e. Usually around 720 degrees fahrenheit (380 celsius).

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:15:12 2016 No.3225708 File: 716 KB, 3008x2000, DSC_0782.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225703 I do need a new tip for my iron, though, that could be part of the issue here. Pace is expensive.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:16:24 2016 No.3225710 >>3225703 *leaded with flux core. And I've long forgotten where I got it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:17:52 2016 No.3225713 >>3225708 Keep your tip tinned at all times.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu May 19 02:19:03 2016 No.3225715 >>3225708 Jesus, that looks almost as bad as the ruined tip on my old shitty RS iron.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:19:37 2016 No.3225719 >>3225382 >software solutions since there are apparently none for people stuck with intel integrated graphics They'll output 240p, but only with Linux. I'm guessing you don't want to because it's a work laptop?

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:21:32 2016 No.3225721
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>>3225713
>keep your tip tinned
Yes, I learned that the hard way when I started. Still need to buy a new tip because of that.

Pictured: flux from an untouched SNES 1CHIP-01 PCB.
Nintendo left most of the flux on the underside of the modded one.

>>	D20 Anon Thu May 19 02:33:48 2016 No.3225738 >>3225719 That, and I have 0 experience with linux outside of data recovery.

Anonymous Thu May 19 02:46:31 2016 No.3225753

>>3225692
>or maybe, just maybe, Nintendo didn't clean all the flux off the bottom side.
I did not think of that. But that's also extremely unlikely. More likely is that Nintendo lacquered it, and you didn't de-lacquer before soldering.

Either way it was an aside, and my main point stands.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:53:45 2016 No.3225768 >>3225210 My game gear had almost all leaky caps that smell of salmon when you desolder them. It's common, but far less common on Nintendo consoles it seems.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 02:59:14 2016 No.3225778

>>3225753
>it's extremely unlikely.
See the pic two above your post. >>3225721
That's a stock untouched 1chip-01 board from a fat SNES.

The joints are fine so your point does ot stand. I am going to agree with >>3225468.

I acknowledge that my iron tip needs to be replaced badly though.
Next paycheck ai'l have at it probably.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 04:13:29 2016 No.3225905 Does anyone know of any good third party S-video cables for the Sega Saturn? I don't really want to shell out 40$ for an OEM one but can't find any others that have reviewed well.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 05:19:05 2016 No.3225990 >>3225314 Whine pitch changes as refresh rate goes up.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 05:23:57 2016 No.3226004 >>3225441 Yes that is a CRT projector. They are huge, heavy and very expensive but probably the best projectors ever made.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 05:34:37 2016 No.3226020 >>3225905 Some lady on eBay makes decent affordable cables. I use her Genesis cable with the extra loop around for stereo audio out the front headphone jack. Works great. I forget her seller name.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 05:43:41 2016 No.3226036

>>3225778
20L5 guy, from one shitty solderer to another, here's what made my work better:

Using the right solder for the right job, as in proper size and mix.

Using the right amount of flux when necessary. It might be lazy of me but I like using water-washable flux pens if I use flux at all.

Proper removal of old solder with copper braid (or whatever they make this magical braid shit out of nowadays).

A stupid expensive iron with variable temperature and quality tips that won't warp. I'll take a pic of my setup at work if you want it.

D20 Anon Thu May 19 07:27:00 2016 No.3226120

>>3225990
31Khz is not in the perceptible hearing range of humans though, anon. That's why you can't hear most VGA monitors as opposed to any generic 15Khz CRT.

>>3225314
A louder than usual whine could be signs that the flyback is leaking/going bad but that's not something you should be messing with unless you know how to properly discharge a CRT.

Anonymous Thu May 19 07:57:00 2016 No.3226146

Look I know its 20l5 guy and all but its really not that awful and I'm sure the guy who is actually going to be using the mini could care less about how amazing his joints LOOK.

20l5 its not that bad, if you want to make it look better use a small chisel tip, don't go overboard with the solder and a flux pen is your friend. Also get some small gauge ribbon cable or even better some multi colored ribbon cable(so you don't mix them up as easy), the ribbon cables keeps everything together nicely without zipties/extra glue and all that shit

You can also hack up an ide cable because you're a cheap bastard

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 08:00:53 2016 No.3226149 >>3226120 Don't listen to this guy, just open up your CRT and shove your hand in there. Most CRT manufacturers hid candy inside their sets to help weary engineers stay awake on long days.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:01:02 2016 No.3226150 I am a moron who has noticed his n64 games looks like crap on a flatscreen with composite. Should I just pick up the first best crt I can find with s-video or are there certain models I should be on the lookout for? I am I denmark if that is relevant.

Anonymous Thu May 19 08:03:36 2016 No.3226156

>>3226150
Look for something with a scart input, it will let you get rgb

look for a sony pvm or bvm it will look better than a consumer monitor and let you get rgb

n64 svid is not much worse than rgb sadly but it will still look better on a pvm/bvm or other professional monitor so its really up to you. Maybe get what you can find with s vid now and stay on a lookout for something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:06:38 2016 No.3226160 >>3226156 Thanks! Where do I find a pvm or bvm? Should I just stumble around in second hand shops?

Anonymous of Jacksonville Thu May 19 08:25:47 2016 No.3226174

>>3226160
Go back in this thread and there's a guide to finding broadcast monitors. Long story short, go to TV stations and production companies and ask around or use eBay. Make friends in the TV/Film industry and use them to find what you want.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 12:30:29 2016 No.3226486

>>3226036
>20L5 guy, from one shitty solderer to another, here's what made my work better:
Soldering parts where they were never meant to be soldered is the main reason (soldering wires to surfacemount pins on ICs).

>Using the right solder for the right job, as in proper size and mix.
Yes, I do.

>Using the right amount of flux when necessary. It might be lazy of me but I like using water-washable flux pens if I use flux at all.
Yes, I do, but not water washable pens. I use paste.

>Proper removal of old solder with copper braid (or whatever they make this magical braid shit out of nowadays).
I have an electric desoldering station. Better than a braid by far.

>A stupid expensive iron with variable temperature and quality tips that won't warp. I'll take a pic of my setup at work if you want it.
you don't seem to realize how stupid that is when you take this pic into account. I just need a new tip. >>3225708
>stupid expensive
check.
>variable temperature
check. with digital readout of the current temperature.
>quality tips
this one was before I ruined it 3 years ago by not keeping it tinned. This is what I need.

Why don't you look at pictures?

Anonymous Thu May 19 13:28:02 2016 No.3226596
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Picked up this Sony Trinitron KV-215XL for free today. Haven't gotten around to getting a SCART cable so just using composite at the moment. Don't have a remote for it, which sucks because I wanna turn the contrast down. Anyone ever used this model before?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 13:54:46 2016 No.3226643 >>3226596 I've not used it, but congrats, it looks in good shape (physically at least).

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 14:01:06 2016 No.3226652 >>3220714 S-Video gives better colours than component, component is too washed out.

Anonymous Thu May 19 15:08:53 2016 No.3226752

>>3226596
Maybe there's a way to access these setting by using the (3) buttons.
On mine from the early 90s it can be always done without remote.

>>3226652
Yes but not in the resolution.
Chrominance has a little (support) signal embedded called the color burst.
This is necessary in order to demodulate the phase (color tone) and it also serves as reference for the AGC (automatic gain control) which will measure amplitude of this color burst and use it to correct the overall amplitude (saturation).
The both color signals of component doesn't have this thus the saturation must be calibrated manually but if this is done correctly then it will be better than S-Video.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:30:24 2016 No.3226791 >>3226752 >access these setting by using the (3) buttons Which 3 are you referring to? It's been years since I last owned a CRT sorry

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:35:11 2016 No.3226803 >>3226791 I meant the buttons on the front panel. Or did you took some random unrelated pic?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:38:34 2016 No.3226807 >>3226803 there are 6 buttons on the front panel

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:43:32 2016 No.3226815 >>3226807 As if I could clearly see it. I'm going to laugh if none of these can actually bring up and control the menu.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:54:37 2016 No.3226838 File: 173 KB, 355x265, buttons.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3226815 Sorry, heres a better pic

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 16:12:53 2016 No.3226875 About how wide are 20 inch PVMs from left edge to right edge (not just the screen)? I have a 14" right now and was curious how much more space I'd need if I upgraded

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:18:28 2016 No.3227019 >>3222236 >(pc) monitors don't accept 15khz signals Alot of them do actually

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:22:41 2016 No.3227029 >>3226838 Same fucking symbols like on the KV-M1450D and for that one a remote is essential because none of these dang buttons do jack shit about picture adjustments.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:29:52 2016 No.3227045 >>3227019 Not sure how comprehensive or up to date this list is but.... http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/15kHz_SVGA_Monitors Mitsubishi seems a good bet on the face of it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:39:42 2016 No.3227059 >>3227029 Shit. I'm never going to find a replacement remote am I?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:47:30 2016 No.3227076 >>3224449 I think you might have to adjust some timings

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 18:48:03 2016 No.3227232 File: 52 KB, 480x360, castlevania.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can guys load up Castlevania, level 2 and take a pic? Original hardware please.

Anonymous Thu May 19 18:58:53 2016 No.3227267

So on Monday I'm going to go pick up a Mitsubishi RGB monitor but to be honest, I dunno if I really want it. I only got it because it's the only RGB monitor I've seen in my area. I really like my consumer KV Trinitron, and it works extremely well for my set-up, the Mitsubishi wouldn't work for my set-up and I have to buy all new cables (I've been using s-video), and it's smaller.

I guess I'll just put it on craigslist for what I bought it for instead of hoarding it.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 19:15:06 2016 No.3227304 >>3226875 19 inches I believe maximum. Less if they have mounting brackets as an optional accessory. They are made to fit an EIA 19-inch rack.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 19:16:44 2016 No.3227308 >>3227304 Thanks

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 19:17:07 2016 No.3227312 >>3227232 Later at home I'll have a go. For now I can tell you that is wrong. too saturated and orange. Do you want a photo or a composite video capture?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 19:19:55 2016 No.3227318 >>3227232 oh wait. Is that the DOS game? Doesn't look like NES.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 19:23:55 2016 No.3227328 File: 38 KB, 480x360, castlevania 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3227312 Photo, thanks. >>3227318 Yes. This is the C64. I'm curious how the various ports compare to the original.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 19:29:22 2016 No.3227339 File: 62 KB, 480x360, castlevania 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3227328 Amiga.

Anonymous Thu May 19 19:34:40 2016 No.3227347
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Pic is yesterday's cheap score. Two PVM-2730's, one KX-27HG1 (which as far as I can tell is identical to the 2730's just rebadged).

The pics make them look dirty, but they really aren't. I decased one of the 2730's to find the cleanest interior I've seen to date. Some slight damage to it, back of the casing is cracked, two of the adjustment knobs were smashed in, but easy to repair. Haven't turned them on yet as I want to leave them in horizontal position for a bit after doing that. I'll report back on picture quality vs some of my other sets.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 19:38:49 2016 No.3227353 >>3227347 They have integral amps with bass/treble controls. I got two sets of the side-mounted speakers for them as well, in top left of pic. One speaker has some screws loose inside, but should be easy to fix.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 20:18:23 2016 No.3227408 >>3227347 >PVM-2730 Where'd you find them?

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 23:38:56 2016 No.3227781
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>>3226150
If you're in Denmark, perhaps Bang & Olufsen?

>>3227328
Alright.
I love Castlevania. (Can't beat it, but I can get to Dracula easily at least...)

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Thu May 19 23:58:15 2016 No.3227809 File: 3.37 MB, 3038x2014, DSC_0820.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3227347 VERY nice. I know one guy on nesdev with one of these - they're very good monitors. I'd be very jelly if I liked the huge screens.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 00:04:53 2016 No.3227814 >>3226156 >only sony makes 15khz RGB monitors

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 00:08:02 2016 No.3227821 >>3223074 Damn, that Ikegami looks nice. More than I'd want to buy it for, but incredibly sane compared to Sony PVM prices now.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 00:21:42 2016 No.3227847 File: 2.72 MB, 4096x3072, P_20160520_060957_005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >20l5cunt is colorblind >or puts all knobs to 11

Anonymous Fri May 20 00:37:49 2016 No.3227871

Anybody know anything about the Sony GVM-2020?

How would the image compare to something like a PVM-20L5?

I like the multiformat aspect for 480p, but find it a bit lame than it can't do 720p (1991, seems to predate it anyways). It's listed as an "arcade" monitor, and has a color temp of 9800K, doesn't list the phosphors, hmm... seems like it would probably be brighter and have more "zazz" than a PVM but with worse color accuracy?

There are a bunch on ebay right now listed as "NIB", which if true would be nice to not have to worry about burn in/hours on the clock.

I've got a PVM-14L5 for shits and giggles, but I'm not sure it's going to be big enough to serve as my primary TV. I have two weeks of (very rare) vacation coming up so I'd like to have some stuff to play with while I wait for a goldilocks 20L5 or similar multiformat BVM + RGB to pop up.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 00:42:45 2016 No.3227876 >>3227871 >I've got a PVM-14L5 on the way*

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:10:42 2016 No.3227989 File: 1.69 MB, 3264x1836, 1463724560319-233886979.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is my shitty TV allowed itt?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:12:52 2016 No.3227992 File: 2.95 MB, 3264x1836, 14637246983131387791564.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3227989 This game isn't shit tho, 10/10 ost

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:20:20 2016 No.3228005 File: 2.75 MB, 3264x1836, 1463724841625-545578602.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3227992 >mfw

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:27:06 2016 No.3228013 >>3227989 Old shitty tvs are the best. Max comfy. No hastle bs like monitors. That's a good game too.

Anonymous Fri May 20 02:43:25 2016 No.3228038
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I just missed my chance to get this tv for $30. I intended to use it for Dreamcast and ps2 games via backward compatible ps3. Can anyone say if theres a reason it would have sucked for those consoles so I can stop kicking myself? The model is FD-Trinitron KD-34XBR960

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:48:41 2016 No.3228043 >>3228038 dreamcast and ps2 actually have a few 240p games and they would have looked shitty. also most games are 4:3 without widescreen support so you would have black borders all the time. also ps2 only has like 10 progressive 480p games.

Anonymous Fri May 20 02:51:12 2016 No.3228052

>>3228038
I got a WEGA trinitron I'm trying to get rid of as well. I played a ps2 on it before and it was pretty good. They excell at fucking ps3 and xbox 360 tho. My god it was amazing. My sony is a 1080i/720p model. KV-34HS510 is the model number. I still have the original stand it sits on as well. If anyone on /vr/ lives in NC I'll sell it to you. I'll lower the price depending on how far you live and how much gas you had to use to get here.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 02:56:39 2016 No.3228059 File: 1.28 MB, 3264x1836, 1463727237656-654102763.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3228013 it was good playing, but not I'm playing GOAT game tried fucking around with camera settings on my phone to get a better image.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 03:14:05 2016 No.3228083 >>3228043 All the dreamcast games I own are in widescreen and im using a ps3 with hdmi not a real ps2 I just enable widescreen and smoothing mode in options and it makes it looks way better than it ever did on an actual ps2 imo.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 03:52:04 2016 No.3228152 >>3225382 Can I buy your d20 4:3 mask? Mine is so naked without it.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Fri May 20 03:55:03 2016 No.3228157 >>3228059 I like it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 05:30:39 2016 No.3228268 >>3227781 Yo thanks dawg.

Anonymous Fri May 20 06:48:11 2016 No.3228338
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>>3227408
Local corporate AV/expo company. They had a shitload of projectors, plasmas, stools and octal for setting up convention booths too.

>>3227347
When i turned the first one on, i thought the convergence was pretty off. but it turns out the HV was off. Along with the pot on one of the daughter boards there's a big HV regulator right behind the tube (pic related, the red block) and it does...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 06:49:24 2016 No.3228341 File: 1.94 MB, 2592x1456, WP_20160520_17_13_39_Pro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3228338 ..pic related, and...

Anonymous Fri May 20 06:51:50 2016 No.3228345

hey /vr/

I'm using an NTSC SNES on a PAL CRT, and it's displaying in full colour, but the flickering is very noticeable. I know NTSC and PAL output signal at different frequencies, but I didn't think it would be this noticeable. Is there any way to resolve this?

Anonymous Fri May 20 06:54:47 2016 No.3228347

>>3228341
...pic related. Not that this is unexpected, but it seems an odd place to put the HV unless they intended it to be used as a brutal convergence adjustment.

Overall the first set is pretty nice in progessive modes. I've been playing with the adjustments to correct the finer geometry, and fuck me some of the pots are on the *inside* surface of the large neckboard, and totally impossible to get to because not all the sideboard will fold out happily while the set it running.

Lastly, I tried it in interlaced mode and it's so awful it's unusable, the image is flickering hard, and not only that but jumping so much it's like an instant migraine. Short of trying different sources, does anyone have any ideas on what to try?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 06:55:55 2016 No.3228349 >>3228347 Shit, forgot pic. It's basically like the first image, but colours reversed and an overall reddish titnt :)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 07:25:05 2016 No.3228401 >>3228152 You can order them from sony pro support. $183. I bought one

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri May 20 07:42:38 2016 No.3228427 >>3228401 You absolute madman.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 08:49:32 2016 No.3228513 >>3228347 Well, the service manual labels it as H-Stat VR for convergence, but potato, potah-toe

Anonymous Fri May 20 09:00:03 2016 No.3228536

>>3224849
Think about it. 899 for an old smelly CRT with geometry and other issues that can only accept abalog inputs and is only 20 inches.

Seriously look at it like that, I love CRTs to death but I would never pay more than 200 (and itd have to be a DAMN good crt) for one. I reccomend getting a nice consumer trinitron before they start spiking in price.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 11:34:15 2016 No.3228773 File: 443 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0866.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 11:35:20 2016 No.3228776 File: 466 KB, 1600x1200, DSCN0873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3228773

Anonymous Fri May 20 11:40:01 2016 No.3228782

>>3227059
You just need a remote with the right MENU button and 4 color buttons.
Sony RM-862 might be suited for this.

>>3228347
>it seems an odd place to put the HV unless they intended it to be used as a brutal convergence adjustment.
IBM did that too with one of their green monochrome monitors for their early PC. If one removes the back like on a normal TV then the flyback will fall into the back of the CRT and wreck it.
The correct way is to turn it upside down and then remove the back.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 12:06:44 2016 No.3228816 >>3228782 >You just need a remote with the right MENU button and 4 colour buttons How will I know what I'm looking for?

Anonymous Fri May 20 12:39:51 2016 No.3228872
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>>3228816
RM-883 was the originally supplied remote for your KV-21X5L but you could probably substitute just about any TV-related RM of similar vintage as I don't recall Sony messing with the remote codes for basic functions such as menu too much in the pre-LCD era.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 12:47:49 2016 No.3228890 >>3228872 Appreciate it anon. For some reason Sony Support has no record of this model, when I contacted them they just said they don't know anything about it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 13:00:45 2016 No.3228901 >>3228890 Yeah well "support" these days pretty much consists of "chuck it away and buy one of our spiffy new UHD 3D VR sets" Good news is RM-883s were used for many, many sets in the 90s so they're both plentiful and cheap. Good luck anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 13:50:02 2016 No.3229002 new thread >>3228975 >>3228975 >>3228975

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Fri May 20 13:54:50 2016 No.3229017 >>3228890 LG phones have IR blasters on them that you can program to communicate with most TVs, even ancient ones. I use mine to control the orphan sets I find (and TVs in the lobbies of many hotels and restaurants).

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 13:57:07 2016 No.3229020 >>3229017 Huh thats pretty neat. I'll have to check my phone graveyard and see if I have a working LG lying around

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 14:10:25 2016 No.3229042 File: 15 KB, 480x343, 1461872737391.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3229002 Ummmm...why?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 14:12:37 2016 No.3229050 >>3229042 Dude was really excited about his MOTHER 2 pic.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 14:13:10 2016 No.3229052 >>3229002 Not from around here, huh?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 14:13:12 2016 No.3229053 >>3227847 >uses color bars and phase and chroma adjustments to get calibrated picture >some people think the correct colors are wrong I know that I have chromatic aberration in that picture, that's because my lens is a piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 14:15:39 2016 No.3229064 >>3228345 no one has replied, but heres a video of it. Its hard to see because of Youtube compression, but it's more noticeable at the bottom of the screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bu2kVsdnFU

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 14:27:19 2016 No.3229110

>>3228401
>I paid $185 for a piece of plastic
WOW.
Amazing that sony can charge that and get away with it... It's like car parts for a Volvo.

>>3229017
If you want to be really 1337 and have a GBC flash cart, you can always write a GBC program to make a game boy color act as a TV remote.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 14:50:55 2016 No.3229161 >3229053 >dark orange bricks >M-MUH CALIBRUSHION GUISE

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 15:15:46 2016 No.3229223 File: 693 KB, 240x255, fuckyouanon.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 15:23:35 2016 No.3229254 >>3228341 Vaporwave.

Anonymous Fri May 20 17:26:12 2016 No.3229660
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Amiga 1080 guy here. My luck must be through the roof because its been nearly 2 weeks since the amiga and I've already stumbled upon a new CRT I need. I found a pretty good condition Sony Trinitron KV-27V22 nearby. A serious upgrade from my 19" Memorex. I hooked it up and holy fucking shit is this something else. I've never seen games hooked up to a really good CRT before and its impressive. NES doesn't look all too great, but I think I'll be using NES and Famicom on my Amiga. The TV's way bigger than I thought, so I really wanna upgrade the TV stand. I'm really sad this only goes up to SVHS but I guess I'll save my RGB stuff for my RGB monitor.

But of course there's problems. There are some serious convergence issues on the top of the screen and the overscan is godawful. White lines clearly turn red green and blue towards the upper screen and a lot of the corners seem to be suffering from the poor convergence. There's a little color purity issues in the top left and right corners but I may be able to fix it with a decent magnet.

Are Trinitrons as easy as they seem to fix/adjust? I would love to fix this and perfect my trinitron experience. Will upload more pics. Pic is Mischief Makers through SVHS.

Anonymous Fri May 20 17:30:23 2016 No.3229672

>>3228536

yeah. if it actually shipped with the fucking rgb card (or was even available on ebay) I might have impulse bought it anyways.

I've got a "sampler menu" of an 8", a 14" multiscan, and a cheaper 20" on the way to tide me over until I find my goldilocks set. Less of an "eggs in one basket" situation anyways if one of them turns out a bit lame.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 17:50:47 2016 No.3229736

>>3229709
>makes new thread with 120 posts to go on the real current thread
>>3220676

>>3229660
You said in the other thread hat you accidentally bumped the 'old thread' here.
It's still the current thread since it can still be bumped.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 17:52:17 2016 No.3229739 >>3229161 If you don't know what color bars look like that's your issue. Fuck off. Also, the color balance on the camera might be wrong.

Anonymous Fri May 20 18:12:01 2016 No.3229797

Explain like I'm retarded:

How do I hook up a Wii U (playing GC games in 480p) to a VGA monitor?

I have two wii u SCART cables on the way, but they haven't came yet.

I'm a bit surprised the LM1881 doesn't give me "clean" hsync, can I just send the csync output to the H-sync pin and cross my fingers, or do I need to get funky with some NOR logic shit? Just some sort of RC wizardry?

All the answers I've found online are on shitty gamur forums and just link to those $13 converter boxes.

Is there something I'm missing?

Anonymous Fri May 20 18:14:17 2016 No.3229808

I picked up a 14M4U, and the picture looks dim/washed out. If I set brightness high enough to make everything visible, it's washed out. If I lower brightness a little and bring up the contrast to compensate my text gets super blurry. I'm messing around with a PSX over RGB, with CSYNC separated out. When I look at pictures of 14M4U's vs 14M2U's, for example, even when the screens are off they looker brighter/grayer. Is this a feature of the screen? Am I just being overly picky? I haven't used a CRT in a long time, but my living room is relatively bright, and the sharpness is rendered irrelevant by the brightness problems. Any ideas?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 18:19:13 2016 No.3229828 File: 329 KB, 1295x1757, crt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Still got that KV Trinitron. I really need to do that S-video mod on the genesis

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 18:28:44 2016 No.3229867 >>3229797 okay, I figured it out. VGA timing for 480p is 25khz vs 35khz for NTSC cause VGA wastes a lot less space on the blanking periods. I guess I'll buy one of those cheap adapters to tear down and see how they do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 18:58:40 2016 No.3229936 >3229739 >Also, the color balance on the camera might be wrong. so there's no point in taking a picture then.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:03:45 2016 No.3229954 >>3229936 >>3229161 You may be autistic.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:04:48 2016 No.3229958 >>3229954 I also may not be

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:06:12 2016 No.3229963 >>3229958 You've displayed more sings that you may be autistic than not.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:08:18 2016 No.3229969 >>3229963 sure, Sigmund

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:10:56 2016 No.3229980 >>3229969 Just calling them like I see them. Not only are you posting on a racist Chinese cartoon image board. You're also apparently in love with a tripfag.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:12:38 2016 No.3229983 >>3229980 but of course, you're posting on the exact same board but you're better than others here.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:14:56 2016 No.3229986 >>3229983 Who better to tell you if you have autism? >instantly attacks character. Hopefully you'll learn to live with the tism.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:15:44 2016 No.3229987 File: 1.31 MB, 2048x1536, SDC11152.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3229828 i did it a few years back, not super hard, and the picture is years better than CVBS

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:16:08 2016 No.3229989 >>3229986 >Hopefully you'll learn to live with the tism. You don't apparently

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:17:49 2016 No.3229993 >>3229989 Baby steps.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:19:46 2016 No.3229995 >>3229993 good for you to take these

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:32:19 2016 No.3230005 >>3229987 that audio thing is just asking to be snapped off.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 19:57:15 2016 No.3230047
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>>3229828
It's a very simple mod. Probably the simplest mod I've ever done.

>>3229936
I tried very hard to make the white balance good, but it may be marginally inaccurate. It definitely looks like this on a calibrated screen.

You are may be retarded if you think that
>muh uncalibrated screen is more accurate than a calibrated one

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 19:59:22 2016 No.3230052 >>3229828 Also, wish I had your kind of dedication to making your setup look nice.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 19:59:38 2016 No.3230054 >3230047 >I'm as accurate as a probe. and this guy complains about palettes...

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 20:01:24 2016 No.3230060 >>3230054 >I'm a fucking retard and I insist on being consistently wrong just to make myself feel better about my colorblindness

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 20:02:47 2016 No.3230065 >3230060 yup, that's you.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 20:03:24 2016 No.3230068 >>3230065 no u

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 20:37:29 2016 No.3230117 >>3230054 >this from the guy who complains about palettes... He is right to, the nesrgb palettes are shit.

Anonymous Fri May 20 20:41:54 2016 No.3230125
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>>3230005
that was just temporary. the new hookup is much better

also i know this isnt /repair/ but is there a reason why SEGA put in those jumper wires the right side of the board? Was it a last minute modification that didnt make it into the PCB design?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 20:44:56 2016 No.3230128 File: 821 KB, 3008x2000, DSC_0700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230125 You use those for region switching a console. I like your board. This one's pretty nasty since it's a VA7 I had to mega amp.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 20:46:19 2016 No.3230131 >>3230125 Oh wait, you mean the green and yellow and blue wires. Yeah, my VA6 has those too. No idea why, but your guess sounds good.

Anonymous Fri May 20 20:53:02 2016 No.3230140

>>3230128
Were you talking about the JP1-4?

I actually got lucky on this one. It was 2012, and I was browsing CL and some guy was selling it for 20 with 2 controllers and MK. He probably though it was weird when I was asking him things like "is there a ext port on the back?" I think ideally a non-TMSS version would be nice, but i had a Model 2 before this since the 90s so its not a big deal

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 21:36:10 2016 No.3230254 >>3222534 >Still, no flat CRT can match the best curved ones in geometry in practice. How is the geometry of vertically flat horizontally curved Trinitrons?

Anonymous Fri May 20 21:42:37 2016 No.3230269

Do SCART cables (official ones) have worse audio quality than Component/S-video/Composite cable because the sound wires and so close to the picture wires?

How much worse is RF audio quality than better cables (other than being mono)?

Did any console (or any electronic device) output stereo through RF cables?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 21:44:30 2016 No.3230273 >>3230269 Yes bad no

Anonymous Fri May 20 21:47:48 2016 No.3230279

>>3226752
So component signals must have their saturation calibrated. This is why SCART>YUV transcoder boxes have pots inside to adjust.

What about the factory standard component output of the PS2*, Gamecube**, and Xbox***?

Are these already set for saturation or do I have to adjust the colours in the TV menu?

* for playing PS
** for playing GB and GBC
*** as an emulation station

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 22:04:48 2016 No.3230305 >>3230279 just use rgb

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 22:08:29 2016 No.3230314 anyone here ever do the 2075m genesis 2 encoder replacement mod and have some weird artifacts on some games? I've got about half a dozen and they all they have the same "issue" but I've never seen anyone mention anything about it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 22:34:32 2016 No.3230349 >>3230269 >>3230273 20 Khz audio signal 6 Mhz video signal you do the math, buddy

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 22:46:35 2016 No.3230362 Where do I find a list of CRT monitors that do high refresh rates? I'm looking for something that does 200. If I find a lot of CRTs I want to know what to look for. How do I find out what the best CRTs are? PC monitors, by the way.

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 22:59:54 2016 No.3230389
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>>3230140
My VA6 was free with two controllers this year, since the DC barrel jack for power was loose (reflowing solder fixed it).

I am using my VA6 as my personal console and selling the mega amp-modded VA7 (eventually; I keep delaying on it since I need to buy a power supply for it that doesn't give dirty power and thus video interference). Got the VA7 for $65 with a Sega CD (main reason for buying it was the Sega CD with the model 1 base extension).

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Fri May 20 23:03:06 2016 No.3230393 >>3230314 Might be helpful if you post some pics.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 20 23:47:45 2016 No.3230463 >>3221098 For us poor souls who keep eying those overpriced ebay listings, we'd deeply appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:00:09 2016 No.3230481 File: 1.96 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So this is the power of the PMV

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:05:12 2016 No.3230498 File: 2.66 MB, 3264x1836, 1463803318078-125503106.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Back again this time with a model 2 Genesis hooked up through R/F playing Ranger X.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:06:35 2016 No.3230503 File: 1.11 MB, 3264x1836, 1463803542133-1789778601.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230498 I cri errytime at the intro

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:09:47 2016 No.3230509 File: 3.99 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230481

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:17:43 2016 No.3230524 File: 2.78 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230509

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:23:12 2016 No.3230534 File: 2.50 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230524

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:26:31 2016 No.3230540 File: 3.46 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230534

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:38:52 2016 No.3230563 >>3230393 Too lazy, its 100% due to the new encoder, just haven't seen anyone mention anything, I see the artifact when you start a stage in sonic 2

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 00:45:31 2016 No.3230568 File: 2.72 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230551

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 01:01:45 2016 No.3230593 >>3230568 are you coating it in vaseline?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 01:03:08 2016 No.3230595 File: 2.75 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3230593 No this is in my local arcade

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 01:07:41 2016 No.3230606 >>3230563 'Artifact' can mean any number of things. Stop being lazy.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 01:09:12 2016 No.3230607 >>3230534 Hey, look at that. The black areas between lines aren't a mile thick.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat May 21 04:31:11 2016 No.3230915

>30XS955 just popped up nearby
>free
It'd trump my HS420 easy, especially for widescreen stuff, and would only be mildly smaller for anything 4:3. Having something with built in ATSC tuner up in the attic again would be nice too.

If I wasn't pretty sure I'd get my neck broken for even suggesting picking it up, I would. It's even from one of the better areas of town, so it'd hopefully be in pretty decent condition(they definitely still have the manuals at the very least.

I still might if it hasn't disappeared by the time I have a day off.

Anonymous Sat May 21 07:04:30 2016 No.3231116

>>3230279
>This is why SCART>YUV transcoder boxes have pots inside to adjust.
I don't think so, maybe it's to compensate or vary the mixing.
>Are these already set for saturation or do I have to adjust the colours in the TV menu?
RGB shall be 0.7Vpp, the reality can be like 20-150mVpp off. The transcoder will turn that (0.7Vpp) into a component signal with same voltages.
So just adjust the TV once (best results with good colorbar pattern) and everything else should look fine, even (native) component from other devices.

Anonymous Sat May 21 08:54:24 2016 No.3231252

>>3228347
>>3227347
So, having decased the first 2730 and adjusted the geometry and convergence pots on the boards, it looks fricking amazing. There's a slight red purity issue at the top in the middle, but it's degaussing slowly. DESU it looks at least as good as my 20" BVM. I also figured out my interlacing problem was due to dutty sync, so i'll have to build some new cables, no biggie. Can't wait to try the other two sets :)

>>3228782
Soz, not actually the flyback, just the HV adjustment. The flyback itself is at the other end of the red cable, hidden underneath with holes in the D board so you can access the focus knob with a fine screwdriver. And that red block is resin-sealed and well secured :)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 09:27:16 2016 No.3231304 >>3230606 Why man? its a small blue line that appears over the stage title at the start of sonic, its nothing interesting but 100% because of the new encoder Seems like no has done this mod, just needed to know if anyone else has the same "issue"

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 12:38:44 2016 No.3231594 >>3231304 Sorry, I still really need to see pics. I know several people who have swapped to a CXA2075M in their sega consoles. I can check with them, but I'd really like to see exactly what I'm looking for.

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 12:40:08 2016 No.3231595 >>3228782 Interesting tidbit about the IBM screens. If I ever find a free 5150 (ha), I'll have to remember that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 14:02:39 2016 No.3231740 File: 84 KB, 1200x675, 00u0u_bLwede7ACSm_1200x900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >$15 IT'S SO CUTE

Anonymous Sat May 21 16:40:14 2016 No.3232163
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>>3231740
Aw, does it even do color?

Amiga 1080 here again. I was finally able to open the sucker. It wasn't infested thank god, I was only able to track down one live spider, otherwise just a lot of dirt, webs, and dead bugs. Had to stop working because it's starting to rain.

I'll be posting some photos of the tube itself. I have never tried adjusting a CRT's tube. I imagine the best way to tackle it is to leave it on with 240p test suite and adjust accordingly? What exactly am I moving? I think someone said the picture was a little slanted or something before. Also the entire screen isn't filled ever. Any special precautions I need to take when adjusting on concrete outside? I'm sure rubber gloves are useful but any other precautions? Should I get one of those grounding bracelets?

>>	Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 16:40:22 2016 No.3232165 >>3231740 could we have a close-up?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 16:41:37 2016 No.3232170 File: 1.10 MB, 2592x1936, IMG_1748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3232163

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 16:42:53 2016 No.3232175 File: 1.63 MB, 2592x1936, IMG_1749.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3232170 I was able to clean up a lot of this dirt. Yuck. Crazy how well built these things are that something looking like this works.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 16:43:38 2016 No.3232179 >>3220676 Why does Kirby have a grid on him

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 16:44:12 2016 No.3232180 File: 1.86 MB, 2592x1936, IMG_1687.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3232175 Here's the screen before adjustments. A little blurry/dark, but you can see the portion of the screen not filled.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 16:52:20 2016 No.3232202 >>3232163 Its so simple amiga a cute

Free 20L5 guy !!uuWXeqNW6/F Sat May 21 18:11:29 2016 No.3232426
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>>3232163
Well, first I'd try to blow any shit that might be in between the tube and the yoke out. And you don't want the entire screen filled on a computer monitor because you'll miss information at the edges. With a computer monitor you'll WANT underscan.
>>3232175
I'd definitely get an air compressor or can of compressed air and blow that last bit of shit out.

The yoke itself looks pretty good from the outside, which is nice.

>>3232179
Someone likes scan lines far apart and showing off phosphors.

>>3232180
First I'd try with an actual crosshatch that doesn't make the outermost grid red, since that's pretty useless for fixing convergence at the corners.
I just made an updated DVD image for you - this one has purity tests (solid red/green/blue/white screens), color bars, crosshatches in 3 sizes, and a couple other fun patterns. On a 480i display you'll probably want to be using the 'fine' crosshatch since it's two pixels thick and avoids horrible flickering that is present on the coarse and medium ones.
https://mega.nz/#!eoRyBYrY!qUDXCKuvYvUzGCdIFHyaB2tFz6x1LoRK7wMG1mlbs24
733 MiB.

Second, can't you find a better camera or manual exposure settings or something? That's a pretty blown out pic.

Pictured: artificially induced impurity issue. Short of adjusting the yoke you might be able to get away with putting a magnet near the back of the casing of the tube to correct the impurity and then pulling it away. If you try near the front you will not be able to get it to stay correct without leaving the magnet in place, which can be detrimental (I think).

Anonymous Sat May 21 19:06:38 2016 No.3232550
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Picked up a PVM-8044Q for $15 today-

Greyscale shows up as shades of purple, and I can't get any green out of it at all. Issue present with composite and component (RGB and S-video cables in the mail).

Is there any way to fix this, or is it just a tube issue and I'm hosed?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 20:13:29 2016 No.3232698 >>3232426 >Someone likes scan lines far apart and showing off phosphors. why the fuck are you here

Anonymous Sat May 21 20:26:54 2016 No.3232720

where in general do i learn about "modern" crt monitors?

i don't want to really talk about them here and refrain from getting too invested in reading what's here because it's basically off topic, but i've had a Gateway VX1120 that goes at 2048x1536@75hz max and i've found that there's kind of a steep learning curve for getting the best picture possible.

right now i have issues like light being dispersed through the glass and affecting what kind of static contrast ratio i can get, needing to set the gamma curve in the gpu settings (does this change the amount of colors actually displayed in some way?)

even going into factory settings there are still some of convergence issues that i don't really have control of. i think one of the vertical guns is off at an axis, but there is no real discrete axial convergence setting

what are some common sources of buzzing/whining sounds? i know some sounds are just always gonna be there, but it could always be that something just isn't fastened properly and is vibrating occasionally

just some weird shit with crt's that i'm not really used to, but that i'm willing to put up with because i really like this monitor, way more than any other display that i've spent way more money on

Anonymous Sat May 21 21:16:20 2016 No.3232828

>>3220676
Is there any easy way to reduce that white noise whining sound my CRT makes? It's a 13" 2004 Toshiba and I like it but wish it wouldn't make so much noise. I have a soldering iron and don't mind cracking it open but don't know where to start or how to diagnose the problem

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat May 21 21:34:03 2016 No.3232862

>>3232550
Probably just normal wear on the boards. Open it up and check for obvious signs of aging, such as leaking caps. I had a similar issue with a 5 inch PVM and fixed it by reflowing a few components with a heatgun. Not the most precise method, but it worked.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sat May 21 21:36:46 2016 No.3232870

>>3232828
There's noise that you will always hear until you reach a certain age and your inner ear starts to lose the ability to hear it.

Then there's whine introduced into your audio by having unshielded audio cables running alongside video. This is very common for cheap retro gaming cables. My cheap Nintendo SCART cable introduces noticeable noise into audio whenever the video brightens. I really need to toss it out and get something better.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 21:50:28 2016 No.3232927 I have a 17" crt pc monitor i use daily and sometimes the color temperature flicks back and forth from 6500-9300k. This a sign of anything?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 21:51:27 2016 No.3232934 File: 70 KB, 640x447, 4764_back.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If Scanlines were meant to be part of the game why aren't they on the official art for the games....

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 21:55:50 2016 No.3232945 >>3232870 It's not the cables. I turn the CRT on and it starts to whine at me, even with no inputs running into it

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:04:54 2016 No.3232969 >>3232934 Because scanlines are from the TV, not the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:07:08 2016 No.3232972 >>3232934 >>3232969 They are in screen shots. You're just looking at a picture the size of a thumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:11:55 2016 No.3232984 >>3232934 >>3232934 >>3232969 >>3232972 use a capture card with your crt it wont show scanlines

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:15:19 2016 No.3232993 >>3232984 If a capture card actually captured 240p it would be 2 frames per frame. Because it want 2 fields. You would need to line double the image.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:26:58 2016 No.3233025 File: 1.43 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_0467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3232426 Just took some pictures of it. Maybe geometry needs some fixing? I can't help but feel like the picture is slightly diagonal.

Anonymous Sat May 21 22:27:00 2016 No.3233026

>>3232828
1) Turn the volume up or wear noise cancelling headphones

2) Get a bigger tv and sit further away

crt all have the 15khz noise. You are probably sensitive to it, use the previous advice, wait until you're older and can't hear it or get a new hobby.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 22:28:04 2016 No.3233031 File: 1.40 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_0477.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3233025 Super Metroid through composite on wii

Kya !kDashing02 Sat May 21 22:44:57 2016 No.3233074
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>>3230915

>>3232179
Scanlines+heavily zoomed in

Also incorrect lens correction, but that was intended.

>>3232870
Your ears won't always go to the point of not hearing it; It differs from person to person.

Also, you could hypothetically cut up the cheap SCART cable and use the ends to put together a decent cable using a chopped up VGA cable.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 23:10:06 2016 No.3233130 >>3233074 this 16:9? What res do HDCRTs operate at anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 21 23:23:27 2016 No.3233158 >>3229828 I know I'm late to this but this setup sure looks slick, nice stuff anon.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat May 21 23:45:18 2016 No.3233223

>>3233130
Yes, the KD-30XS955 is a 16:9 HDCRT, and one of the ones with a Super Fine Pitch tube as well.

They'll accept 480i/480p/720p/1080i, but all information points to it getting displayed as either 480p or 1080i. Honestly, I've only really ever fed 480p and 1080i to the one I currently have, so how all that pans out isn't something I can comment on.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 11:29:29 2016 No.3234413 >>3230607 It's an emulated shot

Anonymous Sun May 22 11:33:48 2016 No.3234415

>>3232934
Looks like somebody doesn't know how Scanlines work

Your typical CRT is optimized for 480i
To display 240p every second line is skipped

You're not losing any information

To have them be without scanlines and at 240p you can only do it on an old Apple PC Monitor from the 80s that's optimized for 240p instead

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 11:52:35 2016 No.3234446 >>3234415 Thanks google!

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 12:29:32 2016 No.3234503 Is JVC any good? No Sony's anywhere near me.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 12:33:27 2016 No.3234508 >>3234503 Ye Jvc toshiba Mitsubishi and panasonic all be good

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 12:37:40 2016 No.3234518 >>3234508 What about Sharp? Only mono audio though but this one's really cheap.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 12:39:15 2016 No.3234520 >>3234518 Get at least stereo and s-video bro.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 12:42:58 2016 No.3234527 >>3234518 Just run sound through a stereo, there's literally no reason to turndown a good CRT due to mono audio.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 16:53:50 2016 No.3235165 My CRT has recently started getting a green corner, but only on blue screens. The green seems to fade in and out. There's nothing magnetic around it and this just started out of nowhere despite no changes in my setup. What might be the problem here?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 16:56:02 2016 No.3235174 >>3232934 There's scanlines in the screenshots on the box and in the manuals of every retro game I own.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun May 22 17:55:08 2016 No.3235310 >>3232945 Then it's just you and there's nothing that can be done. It's natural to hear the CRT whine. Put on/in headphones and the noise is neutralized.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 18:48:14 2016 No.3235520 >>3235174 I literally just got Donkey Kong Country and Ocarina of Time boxes out. No scanlines. Someone's fucking delusional.

Anonymous Sun May 22 18:52:01 2016 No.3235532

>>3235520
I don't understand the CRT/Scanline people. That screenshot in the OP looks fucking terrible.
Further still, I don't understand the people who argue the developers intended the games to look like they do when output to RF or CRT televisions. It's quite clear when looking at any strategy guide, game manual, or game box, the developers did not intend for scanlines to be part of the artistic drive of the game. They did not plan for scanlines in the game, and scanlines are just interference in the image.

I'll never grasp why people like that look or think looking at half an image obscured by grids is preferable to a clear, clean image. But this is a dying fad, confined to a few retro forums and threads on different websites. Once the remaining CRTs die and the Cathode Ray Tubes can't be adjusted anymore, they will have to move on. Eventually this generation will die. It's like the people who still watch VHS tapes and say that VHS quality is the way the movies were made for, when they were filmed on high quality 35mm film strip and then downgraded to VHS.

Anonymous Sun May 22 18:52:46 2016 No.3235536
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>>3232945

That's normal for 240p/480i sets. They run at 15khz, within the human hearing range.

Basically anything "retro" is going to have that whine if you hook it straight up.

If you're dead set on a CRT you can try:

Getting a VGA monitor, VGA 480p on these has an hsync frequency of 25 Khz which is well above human hearing. Downside is that you're forced into using a converter (tiny bit of lag? need to quantify), or emulating for your retro needs. Most of these won't sync to the native 15khz that retro runs at, and even if you get one that will, well then there's that whine again. PC VGA monitors are great for Doom/Quake era stuff though, and stuff that's older too, probably- I've never really dabbled in amiga/5150/old stuff etc)

Getting a "multiformat" or "multisync" PVM/BVM etc that can sync to component 480p, which runs hsync somewhere between 27-36 khz (not sure what is "canonical"). You could try using a line doubler/upscaler (+ optional scanline generator) which would allow to run your retro at 480p.

(Beware that the 'multisync' video monitors are rare and quite expensive for anything above 14")

Finally, you can get one of those late-model consumer sets like the big trinitrons that internally scale everything up to 720p/1080i. Not a *huge* improvement over modern LCD since the scaler adds ~2 frames lag and you lose scanlines.

Anonymous Sun May 22 18:53:54 2016 No.3235537

>>3235532
Or audiophiles who collect records and screech about them being so much better than CDs and how much better "analog" was than digital. CRT, VHS, Records, are like some new pseudoscience people latch onto like UFOs or Bigfoot.

And sadly this generation will still emulate scanlines. My dumbass brother is 38 and uses scanlines on his Xbox One. He's also an audiophile and ghost hunts.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 19:14:47 2016 No.3235620 >>3235537 how do you get scanlines on an Xbox One? is he just hooking it up to a PVM/BVM, or does he have some fancy downscaler? I kind of want to try playing Skate 3 in 240p now

Anonymous Sun May 22 19:28:57 2016 No.3235702
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>>3235532
If you just want to shit on CRTs, why are you posting in a CRT thread? It's not creative trolling or anything.

>scanlines are just interference in the image.

Scanlines (the dark lines) are nice because they hide the sharp edges between pixels that are adjacent vertically. Without them, a very sharp display will make graphics look excessively blocky.

Yes, a CRT doesn't display sharp boundaries between adjacent pixels, but it's not actually missing any information in the image the developers intended. NES sprites aren't "blocky" because the developers wanted them to be; the low resolution is a result of technical limitations. An NES image is only defined at 256 points horizontally. How you get what to display in between those points is your own business.

Anonymous Sun May 22 19:30:05 2016 No.3235707

Can somebody post a bit about the difference between 1. an arcade monitor 2. a PVM and 3. BVM?

Maybe one of you guys with king collections could post some A/B/C comparisons when displaying the same source material?

My current understanding is this:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Arcade monitors use P-22 phosphors, are designed for maximum brightness, and are designed to run 240p (and sometimes 480p) without visible scanlines. The ones I've found seem to have relatively "low" horizontal resolutions, about 500 TVL at 20" (still better than most consumer sets). Many of them seem to be flexible about scanning frequencies and offer separate inputs for H and V sync. (I'm only counting monitors that are self-contained like TVs, not the bare tubes you mount into cabinets). These are good for people who need more brightness than PVMs/BVMs offer?

Sony PVMs use SMTPE C phosphors and are optimized for color accuracy over total brightness. They use "medium" to "high" resolution tubes, typically 600 to 800 TVL at 20" for reasonably modern stuff. They seem to be designed primarily for use with analog inputs, and are ready to be used out-of-the-box.

Sony BVMs use the same phosphors as PVMs, but have a shitload of extra circuitry and options for adjusting color balance. They seem also to assume that you'll be using digital inputs, seeing as how the ones I've found don't even have RGB inputs without buying an additional card. They can be found with "fukn ultra sikk" high resolution tubes, I've seen 800 TVL at 14" and like 900+ TVL at 20" IIRC.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Alright lads, what am I missing?

R. Cad Sun May 22 19:31:20 2016 No.3235717

>>3235702
Some games look great with scanlines and some look better without. The majority of the time it comes down to personal preference.take care though new friend. While you're at it, I have some snake oil on my website that greatly enhances the picture of your crt. You just rub it on the shadow mask grate. It keeps the protons from distorting your picture.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 19:45:45 2016 No.3235798 >>3235532 you know the OP is edited right?

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:02:49 2016 No.3235871

>>3235717
The joke's on you, I already fell for the BVM meme.

>>3235707
Never used arcade monitors, but you've got the PVM-BVM distinction about right. Of course, there are exceptions, like the BVM-8045Q which is a cute 8-inch PVM plus a digital input.

The BVMs with only digital input are the A-series. The D series (D24E1WU, D14G5U and their siblings) and their immediate predecessor numbered BVMs (20F1U, etc.) came with an RGB/component board installed, so composite/s-video still required a decoder card. Those series' decoder cards are mutually incompatible with the A series'.

I upgraded from a high-end (14L5) PVM to a BVM, and all I really got was more extensive color balance options (no idea what to do with them so I just set it to glorious nippon no 9300K) and a digital convergence control, which still isn't quite enough to get it perfect.

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:26:10 2016 No.3235946

I'm going to pick up a Mitsubishi XC-2930C that I got in an auction tomorrow. I don't even know if it works or if I even want it in the first place. I only got it since it was gonna be trashed anyways and I didn't want that to happen.

I know I sound like reseller scum but I really want to trade it for a toaster NES because I really want one or something instead of hoard it in my closet.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 20:31:04 2016 No.3235951 File: 2.99 MB, 4096x2304, P_20160118_125157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3235871 XX10p BVM are pretty glorious for convergence adjust. All analog but still very accurate.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 20:32:41 2016 No.3235962 >>3235946 >toaster nes is $50 at most don't you mean toploader NES ?

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:35:25 2016 No.3235975

>>3235962
No, I do mean Toaster. I really like the design even if it's worse. Probably some games too. I guess I could go full on reseller scum and mark it up high, I don't know man. I'd just like to find it a good home if it works and turns out I won't use it.

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:36:58 2016 No.3235978

>>3235707
Re: Arcade monitors. Where would you get one in a box? Aren't they all bare tubes because they're made to cab mount?

Also, the chassis behind and arcade tube is designed to do one thing, and to do it well. All it takes is RGB and Sync, whether the usual C-Sync or H & V or both. It doesn't fuck around with formats or conversions or traps, or RF or the mode switching in SCART, and the parts are big, solid, and easy to replace by comparison with any other CRT chassis. If you're into that sort of thing, of course. You can also source replacement chassis for them easily; that, once again, being a relative term. You do need to amplify a console or PC RGB signal for an older chassis, but some new ones will have a high enough bias and gain capability.

They're all great for 240p - better than great, in fact - and newer ones are good for 384p and 480p (ones capable of all three being 15/25/31kHz trisync chassis) but older ones look like rubbish displaying interlaced modes. They do show scanlines at 240p btw, they're just masks not grilles (and thus all spherical-section not barrel-section screens).

DESU if you're going to cab-mount, they're a great option. I have a few older lowboys with the original 20" tubes from like '83, and with work on the chassis they are still the real deal. If you want a living-room CRT, a PVM is probably better. Having scored these (>>3227347) I can say they're a great option, and they're only 420TVL. That's part of the magic of CRT, and of how clean an RGB signal can look and why arcade tubes are great in the right place. Those big sets look at least as nice as my 900TVL 20" BVM. And they're bigger. And one of them flickers a lot less at 480i coming from the sources I want to use.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 20:38:47 2016 No.3235984 >>3235975 ok I see. I guess toaster <> mitsu would be a pretty fair trade, hopefully it still works and you'll find a good condition toaster.

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:40:46 2016 No.3235992

>>3235978
Sorry to the rest of the board if I'm trying to sound like king shit. I just enjoy the hobby, thanks in large part to help I've received on here.

And I'm not a photographer, so you won't get scanline porn out of me. It wouldn't do shit for any point I was trying to demonstrate.

Anonymous Sun May 22 20:55:44 2016 No.3236017

>>3235532
>It's like the people who still watch VHS tapes and say that VHS quality is the way the movies were made for, when they were filmed on high quality 35mm film strip and then downgraded to VHS.

As a VHS collector who's active in the VHS trading scene, I can assure you that nobody says or thinks this.

Anonymous Sun May 22 21:14:59 2016 No.3236064

>>3235978

>where would you get one in a box

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-SONY-GVM-2020-O-MULTI-SYNC-COLOR-MONITOR-VINTAGE-VIDEO-GAME-COMPUTER-ARCADE-/111960352962

If this thing isn't really an "arcade monitor", let me know.

If this thing had 800 TVL (or was a third of the price) I'd be pretty tempted to pull the trigger. NIB is tempting, not having to worry about phosphor burn-in or the rest of the crap that comes with unknown hours on a CRT, and would presumably last longer than something that already has tens of thousands of power-on hours, sort of an investment for 10, 15 years into the future when my (professionally raped) PVMs have all given up the ghost.

I can't stand interlace, so the main thing I'd be interested in the monitor for is 480p for non-retro PS2 and GC/Wii. I already have nice stuff for 240p.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 21:19:49 2016 No.3236075 >>3235946 Where are you located?

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun May 22 21:25:03 2016 No.3236082 File: 586 KB, 780x1040, 20160522_195707_resized.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Current collection. Gotta have one of each, and it's going to take a while.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 21:30:12 2016 No.3236092 >>3236075 Around Oklahoma city

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 21:31:53 2016 No.3236096 >>3235520 Sure thing, buddy. I was stating a fact. I'm not arguing with you about what's on the stuff I own.

Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun May 22 21:40:08 2016 No.3236114

>>3236096
Guys, chill out. Some magazines and even game publishers were too cheap/lazy to have proper capture equipment. Some simply took photos of screens and used those for promotional purposes. Others had the money/time and equipment to get proper screenshots.

There is no hard and fast rule. Some shots you see will be photos, others will be screenshots. Relax.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 22:20:25 2016 No.3236202 >>3236082 is it a storage unit ?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 22:28:32 2016 No.3236213 >>3236082 The 14G5 is a BVM, not a PVM, anon.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun May 22 22:42:48 2016 No.3236241 >>3236213 You are right and I shouldn't have been in such a rush. Will fix it next time I take a photo.

>>	Anonymous of Jacksonville Sun May 22 22:44:11 2016 No.3236243 >>3236202 Yes, it's a storage unit. Climate controlled and part of a four story complex, on the third floor. Come find it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 22:55:53 2016 No.3236274 >>3236243 don't worry, I'm yurop

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 23:02:45 2016 No.3236291 >>3221387 reppin' columbus i see my nigga thats why all u fucks been stealin my good deals

D20 Anon Sun May 22 23:07:07 2016 No.3236304
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Anyone have any recommendations for a good TV stand/entertainment center that could accommodate the equipment here (plus a few other consoles)?

The current base I have for my BVMs, consoles, and A/V equipment here is a bit lacking and the wiring mess spreading this stuff out causes is a disaster.

I may consider relocating the RCA LCD away from these if necessary for aesthetic appeal but I would prefer keeping it somewhat close for HDMI access. In the future, that may be replaced with a wall-mounted NEC LED monitor anyways but I would like to explore some options you guys may be aware of first.

I may also be taking off those front handles on the 14F5U since they're for sliding out of an EIA rack and one of the mounting screws for the left side sheared off during shipping. I don't plan on ever using them so I am potentially considering selling any EIA-rack related material from my BVMs in the future.

D20 Anon Sun May 22 23:12:53 2016 No.3236315
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Pictured: Neon Genesis Evangelion coming via Nintendo 64 240p over composite, through a Toshiba VCR/DVD Recorder, to 480i over YPbPr into my BVMs.

It's an interesting effect but not one I would miss anytime soon after an RGB upgrade (waiting on a potential update to the N64 RGB to add Hardware Deblur). Only reason I have it that way is neither of my BVMs have that stupid NTSC decoder card (and easy access to comfy VHS tapes/DVDs).

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 23:13:08 2016 No.3236316 File: 1.43 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_0466.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3233025 Any way I could fix this picture guys? I feel like the whole screen is slanted. What do I adjust to fix this?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 23:19:48 2016 No.3236329 >>3236316 Rotate yoke be warned this can really fuck your dynamic convergence so be careful If i were you id just try to adjust the overscan to where you cant see the very edges. that is unless you wanted to use it for computer stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 22 23:23:46 2016 No.3236342 You need to rotate the yoke but you risk messing all the purity and convergence adjustment. I'd first look whether it is possible to rotate the whole tube with respect to the bezel.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon May 23 02:08:35 2016 No.3236624

>>3222668
>>3222669
>>3222672
>>3222679
>>3223131
Bit late in the thread to be asking, but would you rather this be linked verbatim, or would some editing/rewording be alright?

Mainly just looking to normalize some of the text to be closer in style to the poorly outdated pastebin that I should really spend the editing time on instead, and perhaps include the PBS idea if I can get it to mesh well with the rest of the text.

Any other last minute additions would be cool too.

Anonymous Mon May 23 02:10:10 2016 No.3236625
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>>3236342
See >>3232163
and subsequent posts.

And damn, really no clear cut way to adjust the screen without messing other things up? Am I better off just leaving it as is? I mean I guess I could live with it but I wanna use it as my main RGB monitor and would rather have a perfect picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 02:27:14 2016 No.3236634 >>3236064 >If [a Sony GVM-2020] isn't really an "arcade monitor", let me know. Not even remotely an arcade monitor, brah :) It's an old computer monitor from before VGA was standard. Takes RGBS, RGBHV, composite & S-Video.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 02:29:19 2016 No.3236636 >>3236624 Edit away, my friend. I've already added suggestions from this thread, obviously. But further content and clarity would be a bonus.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon May 23 02:34:05 2016 No.3236645 >>3236636 I'll link the edit before I make the new thread, if you'd like. Much of it will still be almost word for word what's already there, and I can always just replace it with the original text should it not go over well.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 02:58:56 2016 No.3236686 >>3236645 I'll try to read it, but I'm sure it'll be fine. If I don't reply just do what you think best.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 03:29:05 2016 No.3236725 >>3220676 Dont post blown up zoomed in images like this for the OP we get enough shit posting as it is and dumbasses dont realize this is zoomed in and distorted.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon May 23 04:03:48 2016 No.3236759

>>3236725
Yeah, that wasn't a terribly good idea.

Any suggestions for the next OP image would be nice; Like, game and/or scene suggestions.

>>3236686
>>3236636
Most of the changes were to the preface; The list was kept mainly in it's original form with only one or two changes, excluding spell check and the like.

http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 05:29:31 2016 No.3236894 >>3236759 >http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ I are mostly reasonably sort-of-but-pretty-much-really quite happy with that. Won't bother editing your editing or we'll be at it forever :)

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon May 23 05:31:43 2016 No.3236896 >>3236894 >sort-of-but-pretty-much-really Anything specific you'd want changed, or?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon May 23 07:03:31 2016 No.3237026 New Thread: >>3237024 >>3237024

Anonymous Mon May 23 13:17:06 2016 No.3237582

>>3235537
A well mastered Vinyl Record will always sound better than a CD

Majority of music is recorded in an analog way
When converted to Digital there's compression and digital aliasing involved

Nowadays they still record everything that has to do with singing in an Analog way but they master it digitally and then use that master to make a Vinyl instead of the source material so getting a Vinyl version is not worth much for new releases these days

>>	Anonymous Mon May 23 14:42:07 2016 No.3237751 >>3235532 >scanlines are just interference in the image. They're not interference you dumb cunt They're blank lines You don't lose any information Now stop talking about shit you know nothing about you fucking retard

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