Why is this game such a bodacious elegantly crafted masterpiece?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 26 19:48:57 2016 No.3170276 [Reply] [Original]

Why is this game such a bodacious elegantly crafted masterpiece?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 19:50:32 2016 No.3170280 File: 135 KB, 320x222, sonic1cope.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know right? People just don't judge it properly because it doesn't have spindash and they get their ass handed to them by Labyrinth Zone, but it is the best Sonic game.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 19:55:44 2016 No.3170290
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>>3170276
For me it was because it was the first game where momentum was the main mechanic. Great characters and art direction. One of my favorite games of all time. S3&K might be my favorite game of all time

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:04:35 2016 No.3170306 >>3170276 Thank God it's Sonic 1 in this OP I would have lost it if I had to read another wrong opinion.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:05:52 2016 No.3170308
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>>3170290

It wasn't the first game. I know this might develop into cosnole war/brand war faggotry but Super Mario Bros. implemented momentum (you can run and that affects the length and height of your jumps), Yuji Naka himself said that SMB was an inspiration for him.
I think what Sonic bring to the table was the spinning mechanic.

There's also probably many other games that did momentum before Sonic.
But still, yeah, Sonic had great gameplay, characters and art direction.
I actually like Sonic 1 (and by extension 2 and CD)'s art direction better than 3 and Knuckles. With 3 they went for a more semi-realistic feel, the first Sonic games were more psychedelic and dreamy, especially 1 and CD, but I like 1 the most in that regard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:09:08 2016 No.3170320 File: 260 KB, 877x572, sonic_cd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3170276 Sonic CD is better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:34:48 2016 No.3170358 >>3170320 OP here. Would you or anyone care to explain how? I would like to hear your thoughts on how Sonic CD is better than Sonic 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:40:13 2016 No.3170371 File: 98 KB, 640x898, sonic-the-hedgehog-gen-cover-front-jp-29397.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Love Sonic 1, but I never liked the boxart of the NA version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:54:49 2016 No.3170413 >>3170358 Not him, as I understand, it's Sanic 1.5 and doesn't have casuak dash so it's p gr8. I haven't played it. How was my parroting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:56:16 2016 No.3170418 >>3170358 Better exploration. Better music. Better aesthetics. Better bonus stages. Neat time-travel gimmick. Cute anime FMV's.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:56:52 2016 No.3170420

>>3170413

It has spindash (although it takes a fraction of a second to "load", so you can't release instantly), and the Super Peel Out, which allows Sanic to go faster and release almost instantly, but you're open to enemy attacks since you're not in spin form.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 21:08:16 2016 No.3170447

>>3170358
Yeah sonic CD is basically a more "improved" version of Sonic 1 utilizing more mechanics from the 1st game rather than 2 and the power of the CD technology. I'm stuck on this or 3K as my favorite Sonic game.
>>3170371
I love the Mega Drive artwork, it has that very nice early 90s aesthetics though the quote is pretty cheesy. Probably the best one imo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 21:13:45 2016 No.3170461 At the end of a stage when you hit those things that spin around with sonic/robotnik's face on, what are they called?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 21:22:59 2016 No.3170479 >>3170418 >No >No >Maybe >WRONG >NO >yus

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 21:35:04 2016 No.3170498 The only thing I don't like about Sonic 1 is how linear Marble Zone is. >>3170461 Goalpost

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 21:57:18 2016 No.3170551 >>3170498 I find Marble Zone to be the comfiest level. I typically don't like using that word, but Marble Zone is part platforming, part patience testing, and part lava safari. It's pretty cool.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:02:38 2016 No.3170567

>>3170551

Same here, I love Marble Zone.
I think the level design is cool, I love these floating platforms over lava that get on fire once you step on them.
And people complain about "waiting" but that's always been part of Sonic games. Sonic 3&K probably has the most waiting in levels like Marble Garden, Flying Battery, etc. I don't see what's the big deal with the "waiting" on Marble Zone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:04:24 2016 No.3170572 >>3170551 Star Light is the comfiest for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:06:29 2016 No.3170580 >>3170418 Nah.. the music on the 1st and 2nd Sonic game is godlike

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:07:58 2016 No.3170581 >>3170572 I love the disco-esque music of Star Light zone

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:09:04 2016 No.3170582 >>3170567 There's only one spot where you're supposed to wait in Marble Zone anyway, if you wait on every platform you're casual as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:09:13 2016 No.3170583 >>3170581 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzBpxbCyP8

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 22:10:56 2016 No.3170585

>>3170582

The only places I wait on Marble Zone is in those falling spiked things you need to step on to go up, and the green blocks that come out of the walls at the end of act 2 or 3, I think.
But yeah otherwise there's not too much waiting on that zone, maybe when you have to ride a block through the lava, but you can still jump over platforms and get past without waiting. And one of these sections has a invincibility powerup so you can just run straight through the lava.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 23:27:01 2016 No.3170672 >>3170580 OST-wise: Sonic CD (JP) > Sonic 3 > Sonic 1 > Sonic & Knuckles > Sonic 2 > Sonic CD (USA)

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 00:01:43 2016 No.3170731 2>3&K>1>CD

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:57:36 2016 No.3170904 >>3170320 >Amy No

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 01:59:15 2016 No.3170906 File: 175 KB, 398x622, amyblush.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3170904 >he doesn't like cute characters What are you, a homosexual?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 02:03:39 2016 No.3170912 >>3170906 I liek the womens

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 03:36:46 2016 No.3171034 >>3170276 Because they wanted/needed it to be a Mario killer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 03:57:16 2016 No.3171048 >>3170461 Signs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:29:31 2016 No.3171089 File: 58 KB, 385x600, STH134.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3170906 Despite Sonic, Tails, Sally, and Knuckles all being largely naked, Amy without clothes seems... ... jarring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:38:07 2016 No.3171095 >>3170290 >momentum I still can't understand that two decades later, Sega is unable to produce something of the same quality, episode 4 is downright appalling. Dropping physics entirely actually worked a lot better when Dimps went with the Rush series.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:40:48 2016 No.3171098

>>3170498
>The only thing I don't like about Sonic 1 is how linear Marble Zone is
Marble pretty much illustrates how the Sonic Team examined the original game in order to produce a better sequel.

On recent replay I found Labyrinth to be more grating than how I remembered it to be.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:44:53 2016 No.3171110
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>>3171098

>Marble pretty much illustrates how the Sonic Team examined the original game in order to produce a better sequel.

What do you mean? Both Hill Top and Mystic Cave have elements from Marble Zone, they're like Marble Zone's younger siblings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 04:49:27 2016 No.3171124 >>3171110 Marble is linear and the 3 stages for each zone reduces replay value. Look how Sonic 2 is much less linear, offers more zones with less acts, improving variety and replay value at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 05:01:57 2016 No.3171134 >>3171124 Linear but tightly designed and has shortcuts and some alternate paths too. It's not totally linear. I agree about the 3 zones thing though. I don't mind having 3 acts per zone, but I appreciate the more variety of Sonic 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 05:16:40 2016 No.3171142 File: 107 KB, 640x904, 1023388357-00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3170371 >>3170447 the euro box art is nice, too

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 05:23:32 2016 No.3171149 >>3171134 I'm not saying that Marble is poorly designed or anything, I'm pointing out that many design choices for the zone limit the replay value of the game. Anything that reduces replay value ultimately diminishes the worth of a game.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:03:35 2016 No.3171249

>>3170280
>they get their ass handed to them by Labyrinth Zone
So many people have trouble with Labyrinth and I just don't get it. There are more than enough air bubbles dotted around, as long as you stay at every one air shouldn't be a problem. There is a slight but intuitive change in jumping underwater over a few spikes. Are these people trying to rush through like the other zones?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:23:24 2016 No.3171274 >>3171249 Labyrinth just isn't as fun as the rest. Slowmo underwater effect.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:24:25 2016 No.3171278 >>3171142 > >>3170276 > >>3170371

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:26:50 2016 No.3171281
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>>3171278
>japanese not first

Although the Euro cover is also good, but I think the NA cover is the worst.

The cover of the first GG game was much better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:29:34 2016 No.3171285 >>3171281 > >>3171142 > >>3170276 > >>3170371

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:40:26 2016 No.3171297 >>3170371 >Don't just sit there and waste your precious time. When you want to do something, do it right away. Do it when you can. It's the only way to live a life without regrets. 4chanBanner.png

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 07:42:38 2016 No.3171302 File: 107 KB, 720x960, 2015-naka-tgs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3171297 >Yuji Naka is fluent in english Based.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 09:53:42 2016 No.3171479 >>3171281 Ok, weeb. I remember getting Sonic when it came with the Sega Genesis. The NA cover is so bright, and it alludes to the atmosphere of the first zone, which looks just like the box art.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 09:56:49 2016 No.3171483 >>3171302 So is most of the world... Oh, but he's a nip so he's so sugoi kawaiii neee~~ ^_^ Why are Japs so based and neko para intelligent ^_^

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 10:46:36 2016 No.3171547 >>3171483 Nips are terrible at foreign languages, english included. Having correct english on the japanese box of the original Sonic is worth mentioning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:03:12 2016 No.3171738 >>3170906 >not preferring Sally over Amy True fag detected

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:08:31 2016 No.3171751
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>>3171738
On one hand Sally only exists as furry and shipper bait, on the other Sega spent years turning Amy into a yandere psychopath. Amy still comes out as the lesser evil.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:13:25 2016 No.3171761 >>3170906 >>3171751 hey why is Amy always wearing clothes while Tails, Sonic and Knuckles are always naked

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:20:54 2016 No.3171781 File: 29 KB, 300x598, 1398484933774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3171761 Because she's not that Sally whore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:36:48 2016 No.3171819 >>3171751 I may be rusty but I recall the cartoon and comic making Sally into a major character who got shit done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 13:40:38 2016 No.3171825 >>3171761 Because only female furries have visible genitals. I remember hearing this explanation on GameFAQs fuck knows how long ago

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 15:23:06 2016 No.3172001 >>3171825 >implying tits are genitals full retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 15:40:42 2016 No.3172038 >>3171825 >>3172001 >implying there's such a thing as a female furry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 16:07:04 2016 No.3172076 >>3171095 I played Sonic 4 Episode 1 for the first time about a week ago. What a letdown. They couldn't even reproduce the phyisics from a twenty year old game properly. It really shows how incompetent and lazy SEGA has gotten over the years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 28 00:02:53 2016 No.3172880 File: 84 KB, 300x420, Sonic_the_Hedgehog_8-bit_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi OP here. Would anyone care to talk about the Master System Sonic games?

Anonymous Thu Apr 28 03:22:54 2016 No.3173246

>>3171142
Amerifag here, I saw in a used game shop a copy of Sonic 1 with this Yuro cover, but the Mega Drive logo up top was replaced with a Genesis logo. It still said "for use with the Sega Mega Drive" at the bottom, though. I wish I had taken a picture of it, I don't know if it was authentic or a replacement cover or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 28 12:26:40 2016 No.3173987 >>3173246 Canada had the Yuro cover and the Genesis name, so it may be based off of that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 10:18:59 2016 No.3176217 Everything

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 10:22:09 2016 No.3176219 File: 5 KB, 248x192, aLj2v.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3172880 Sure, let's talk about how this boss is fucking bullshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 10:46:44 2016 No.3176248 >>3176219 that was some terrifying shit as a kid

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 10:54:14 2016 No.3176257 File: 20 KB, 492x140, ss+(2016-04-29+at+03.52.29).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3170371 If only we got the Japanese cover I could have lived a better life

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 11:36:47 2016 No.3176304 >>3170447 my opinion is the Sonic 1 levels / traps are more unique than sonic 1 and slightly better designed. It feels a little more classic.

>>	Op Fri Apr 29 12:22:28 2016 No.3176343 Unrelated to sonic 1 why do all the normies like '2' games the best >dkc2 >sonic 2 >empire strikes back >crash bandicoot 2

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 12:45:37 2016 No.3176383 >>3176343 The 2nd game tends to be an improved version of the first, but then the 3rd game adds new stuff which makes it different and "uncomfortable."

Anonymous Fri Apr 29 14:36:30 2016 No.3176641

>>3170479
>Larger non-linear levels aren't more explorable
>CD quality is worse than chiptune
>Developed by the same devs from sonic 1, immediately after 1, somehow worse visually
>Theme-appropriate special stage worse than weird emerald alternate dimension
>Story interaction and more scenery is a bad thing

Sorry but your reasoning is flawed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 14:45:43 2016 No.3176658 >>3176219 Anon said Master System, not Game Gear. >>3176248 It was rape.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 14:50:11 2016 No.3176675 >>3176658 >Anon said Master System, not Game Gear. >being this pleb

Anonymous Fri Apr 29 15:03:58 2016 No.3176704
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Having grown up in the majority of the 8-bit era and the entire 16-bit, I've always just instinctively thought Sonic The Hedgehog = Super Mario Bros, Sonic The Hedgehog 2 = Super Mario Bros. 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles = Super Mario Bros. 3 in terms of quality and cultural impact, with Sonic CD and Super Mario World being on equal footing due to differing opinions on them.
To be honest, I was pretty much blown away by all of them except for SMW, never quite managed to wow me though I wouldn't say it was a bad game

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 17:58:01 2016 No.3177053 >>3176658 OP here. I guess we can talk about the Game Gear Sonic games. I mean why the fuck not. Let's talk about the retro Sonic games that probably don't get mentioned as often as the main Genesis titles.

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Anonymous Fri Apr 29 19:53:54 2016 No.3177210

>>3176343
But you're wrong. The normies love Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Crash Bandicoot 3 the most. Also not sure why you mentioned the Star Wars franchise next to the other 3 which are much better and more popular. You probably couldn't think of any other examples.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 19:58:23 2016 No.3177217 >>3176343 Don't tell me you prefer the shit that was Return of the Jedi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 20:10:10 2016 No.3177230 >>3171142 This was also the box art in Canada. >hhhnng at that maple syrup coloured background

Anonymous Fri Apr 29 20:22:22 2016 No.3177249
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>>3176219 got MS sonic 2 for Christmas when I was a kid - loved it, completed it just before going back to school after the holidays. Friend who got the Game Gear version wouldn't stop going on about how difficult it was - had no idea how he could be that bad at it, didn't realise the GG version had cropped half the screen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 22:46:49 2016 No.3177503 >>3170276 >game about going fast >can't go fast without an enemy coming out of flippin no where in your face Yeah nah it's overrated tripe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 01:48:09 2016 No.3177826 >>3177503 >having shit reflexes lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 01:58:20 2016 No.3177836 >>3177826 >replying to shitposters lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 02:21:05 2016 No.3177869 >>3177836 >using lol instead of kek kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 02:25:29 2016 No.3177878 >>3177826 >>3177836 >>3177869 Kill yourselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 03:00:22 2016 No.3177923 OP here. If you had an idea for a zone in a Sonic game what would it be? Mine would be Neon Palm Tree Zone. It would be like a Miami Vice inspired type of zone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 03:02:27 2016 No.3177929 >>3176219 In the proper version of the game this is easy pease lemon squeezy. Game Gear players have only themselves to blame.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 03:08:42 2016 No.3177938 >>3177923 Genocide City

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 03:20:00 2016 No.3177956 >>3177923 I'd have a level that was just the remains of Nagasaki right after it was bombed called Nagasaki Zone and there'd be no enemies, just pixelated charred bodies writhing in agony as Sonic zooms past them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 03:50:47 2016 No.3177998 File: 281 KB, 1280x960, Geonosis_droid_foundries.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3177923 robot factory like scrap brain but with more moving shit, maybe a big conveyor belt gimmick

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 04:22:37 2016 No.3178023 >>3170371 I'm a weeb, but I cannot agree.

Anonymous Sat Apr 30 04:32:44 2016 No.3178028

>>3177923
Egg Island Zone. A Green Hill-style level that Eggman was gradually mechanizing. The further you go, the more mechanical it gets, wires coiling up around the palm trees, the ground rupturing with pipes and metal panels. Maybe the music could change as you progress, become more electronic/industrial sounding.

Anonymous Sat Apr 30 04:38:30 2016 No.3178041

>>3177923
Yama Zone.
You run, climb and jump up a Mt Fuji-esque volcano in act one and take a hectic lava stream ride down the other side in act two.
Boss is a Phoenix-themed craft piloted by Robotnik, that rises up from the lava and shoots ash and boulders at you, the later which you rely on to keep from falling into the lava.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 10:42:05 2016 No.3178432 >>3171089 Sally is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 10:47:04 2016 No.3178439 >>3171738 Sally is an irrelevant character that has no place even being remembered. She was never in any of the games and therefore is already lesser than Amy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 12:00:13 2016 No.3178595 >>3170276 I liked sonic 2 and 3k better, not because of spin dash, it's because I like the levels more

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 12:11:03 2016 No.3178616 >>3177826 >>3177836 >>3177869 >>3177878 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 16:00:36 2016 No.3179032 >>3170551 >>3170567 The music reminds me of that Music To Watch Girls By song.

Anonymous Sat Apr 30 16:06:35 2016 No.3179051 [DELETED]

>>3177998
Zionist Empire Zone. It's the future where Israel has finally invaded the Middle East and ethnically cleasned it of Muslims. The West has long since collapsed so all the Jews the world over have had to flee to the promised land, hence the need for expansionism.

Lots of Star of Davids and menorahs, etc - desert setting with big walls and razor wire. Outside, in the background, it's a barren wasteland with lots of skeletons and mass graves, etc. Inside it's like an oasis, the garden of eden or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 18:43:08 2016 No.3179352 >>3172880 I really like Sonic 1 & 2 on Master System.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 30 18:44:50 2016 No.3179358 >>3176658 Sonic 2 GG was released on Master System in Yurop.

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