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The great debate

>> No.3142279

Great debate?

I don't even know what that japanese shit is.

>> No.3142307

Ikaruga isn't a STG. It's a puzzle game in the guise of a STG.

>> No.3142310

>>3142235
Both are garbage.

>> No.3142315

>>3142279
Some Tyrian 2000 wannabe.

>> No.3142316

>>3142307

You're very alone in your definition. Every other sane person think it's a ShooTing Game.

Then again, not too long ago I've read someone here on /vr/ call games like Castlevania "puzzle" because you have to calculate enemy patters or some bullshit, so I'm not really surprised anymore with the kind of retarded logic I read around here.

>> No.3142362

>>3142315
My man!

>> No.3142676

>>3142316

He's not alone, Shmup community has a hate boner for Treasure shooters for some reason

>> No.3142682

>>3142235
DDP, if only because it doesn't have the stupidest gimmick to ever grace shmups.

>> No.3142707

>>3142682
Dimahoo has a light/dark gimmick too but its not gay

>> No.3142712

The thing I hate about DDP the most is the uninspired look.

>> No.3142732

>>3142676
They do because Ikaruga is just about the only shmup that gets praised by normies. Basically, it is very popular, and therefore it sucks and stop discussing Ikaruga and instead discuss the proper path to 1cc Samidare EX Mode or what ship is most suited for a score attack in Ether Vapor Remaster.

Fuck that shit.
DDP is awesome and impressive and is the grandpa of danmaku games but still plays more like a classic arcade title and not like fucking Touhou. Ikaruga is a tenement to minimalism and to this date the only videogame I played where doing a perfect run actually gives you the feeling that you achieved something great (and the final boss is one great orgasm).

They are both great. I'd say I like Ikaruga better but that's only cause it is more special while DDP is just a great game inside the vanilla ruleset.

But honestly? Right now I feel like I'd rather play Thunderforce V or Gradius V.

>> No.3142737
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3142737

>>3142235
Neither.

>> No.3142804

>>3142732

This nig speaks the truth.

>> No.3142852

>>3142235
Ikagura is a game of it's own separate caliber which is what makes it really popular. Now Raiden vs Donpachi is a more proper debate.

>> No.3142969

this isn't Battle Garegga or Batsugun so neither but if I had to pick, probably DDP tho Daioujou is my favorite.

>> No.3142971

>>3142235
DDP isn't a slog to replay on multiple occasions. Ikaruga is good in short bursts but the pacing is fucking abysmal if you're actually trying to get good at it.

>> No.3142982

>>3142852
Not really. Raiden doesn't even have chaining or dense bullet patterns.

>> No.3142983

Mars Matrix.

>> No.3143005

>>3142983
More bullet hell trash

>> No.3143009

>>3143005
2hard4u

>> No.3143078

>>3143009
2shit4me

>> No.3143090
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3143090

>tfw you like DonPachi more than DoDonPachi
Am I alone in this?

>> No.3143092

>>3143078
Care to explain why they're shit apart from you just sucking at them?

>> No.3143093

>>3142982
Dense bullet patterns are pretty cancerous. Fast bullets and a big hitbox is better.

>> No.3143096

>>3143090
The announcer is better in DP, but DDP does everything else better.

>> No.3143101

Dangun Feveron is the best Cave game.

Bangai-O is the best Treasure game.

>> No.3143238

>>3143092
>genre is shit
>"Y-you just suck at them!"

Danmakufags, everyone.

>> No.3143241

>>3143093
But Psikyo games suck.

>> No.3143249

>>3143241
They are pretty lame, yeah.

>> No.3143253

>>3143241
They are fun memorizers for the most part, Loop 2 are just suffering though.

>> No.3143258

I just can't get into shoot em ups. They're not that fun to me. The literal only way to get good at them is just to play them over and over, and the skill you gain at one game doesn't carry over to others at all beyond knowing when to bomb and other rudimentary shit like that. You're just spending hours and hours memorizing bullet patterns so you can last a few more seconds without dying. Shit's not for me.

>> No.3143270

>>3143258
it's kind of an acquired taste desu. i absolutely 100% didn't enjoy shoot em ups at all for years and then i played recca and something clicked for me. now they're one of my favorite genres even though i kinda suck.

i just played a good hour or two of ikaruga for the first time on a tate oriented crt and i'm not gonna lie, it's a transcendent experience.

>> No.3143273

>>3143258
If you like arcade gaming you'll eventually like them, if you don't like arcades then you are fucked.

>> No.3143280

>>3143273

I like beat em ups well enough, but they feel far less memorization-based to me.

>> No.3143281

>>3143258
What I don't get is the people that play exclusively shmups, but not other arcade-y genres like run 'n gun shooters or FTG's.

>> No.3143290

>>3143281
it's kind of a different appeal really, shmups are simple, high intensity games where pattern recognition, reaction times, and instant gratification are all high in importance. run 'n guns are fun but for really different reasons. with a shmup it feels instantly like you're doing better, if that makes sense.

>> No.3143301

>>3143280
Beat 'em ups have similar memorization in the enemy patterns and bosses compared to an standard shooter, just don't play Psikyo games because they are all about memorization and precise execution.