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3128437 No.3128437 [Reply] [Original]

let's hear it

>> No.3128442

>>3128437
FFV

>> No.3128454

SOM

>> No.3129020
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>> No.3129036

chrono trigger is barely a RPG

it's so scripted

>> No.3129037

>>3129036
Babby rpg. If not for Akira Toriyama, it wouldn't be half as popular.

>> No.3129039

>>3129036
Funny, I thought the opposite, that it gave you a quite a lot of freedom for a title of the time.
Yeah fair enough most of of your decisions won't affect plot much, like the trial scene.

>> No.3129041

>>3129037

Akira Toriyama wasn't popular in the US when CT came out. Almost nobody in USA knew about Dragon Ball back in 1995 outside of a few anime nuts.

>> No.3129046

>>3129039
i mean in terms of gameplay

a lot of RPGs like ultima are very linear in terms of storyline but they're actually unscripted for the most part, hell this applies to dragon quest and early final fantasy

i still like chrono trigger but christ, you always know where you're gonna encounter an enemy

>> No.3129047

>>3129046
Yeah I see your point.

>> No.3129051

>>3129041
>implying CT was popular in the US when it came out

Come on bro, you know this wasn't true. It was niche as fuck. It became popular overtime, largely in part to Toriyama

>> No.3129060

>>3129051
Seems about right, all jrpgs were niche back then.
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/2999/chrono-trigger/

>> No.3129065

>>3129051

Well I'm not from the US myself but I remember US gaming magazines like Gamepro hyping the shit out of CT.
Anyway, if Toriyama was the only factor, then Dragon Quest would be even more popular than CT in the west, and that isn't the case.
I think CT is popular because of the general production, and not just the Toriyama designs.

Also if we're going to turn this thread into "what is an RPG" might as well call every video game RPG a dull experience compared to pen and paper D&D or something.

>> No.3129072

>>3129046
this is the best part about the game. The scripted battles provide meaningful placement within their world, and also allow for avoiding certain encounters if you choose to do so. Having invisible random encounters relinquishes a lot of the impact those encounters might have.

Honestly, I can't fucking stand random encounters anymore. Turns any potentially cool exploration you want to do into an annoying slog. If not scripted, then at least have some sort of symbol to denote an encounter, such as in Earthbound or something, so players at least have a chance to avoid the encounter outright.

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>>3128437
This. Now, and forever.

>> No.3129081

>>3129051
All RPGs were niche back then, but CT was one of the better-selling highly-acclaimed RPGs for the SNES.

>> No.3129083

>>3129072
>and also allow for avoiding certain encounters if you choose to do so.
they used to call this function "run", something you can't even do in chrono trigger by the way

>Honestly, I can't fucking stand random encounters anymore.
then you're the problem with the modern RPG audience

>> No.3129085

>>3129083
>something you can't even do in chrono trigger by the way
Hold L + R.

>> No.3129091

>>3129085
This also works in all retro Final Fantasies by the way.

>> No.3129098
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Phantasy Star 4

>> No.3129101

>>3129091
Retro Final Fantasy actually has RUN on the menu screen most of the time.

Also ATB is fucking boring. There, I said it.

What's the point of a RPG if I can't plan out what I'm doing every turn?

>> No.3129118

>>3129101
>Also ATB is fucking boring. There, I said it.
I feel the opposite. No tension = boring.

>What's the point of a RPG if I can't plan out what I'm doing every turn?
It's another dimension of personal growth. You have as much time until your next turn to plan out the move, and there's motivation to learn to think and plan faster.

>> No.3129138

>>3129081
Of the highest selling RPGS in the US, it's pretty low on the list. Final fantasy VI, Mario RPG, then Chronological Trigger. But seriously, what other turn based RPGS got released in the US?

>> No.3129140

>>3129138
On the SNES I mean.

>> No.3129156

>>3129140
There were quite a few. From the top of my head and not on your list... Lufia 1&2, Breath of Fire 1&2, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, Drakkhen...

I don't like turn based RPG's so there are probably more

>> No.3129202

What are some solid Saturn JRPG's? Not action RPG's, but something like DQ or FF?

>> No.3129203
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replace dqv with dqiii this is outdated

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>>3129202

Soul Hackers

>> No.3129218

If this was /v/ I would say Mass Effect or Fallout New Vegas. But since this is /vr/ I will say Fantasy Star 2.

>> No.3129227

>>3129202
Soul Hackers, Devil Summoner. They're really fucking solid - Devil Summoner is janky but has a lot of cool ideas and fun dungeons, Soul Hackers is great all-around. If you're cool with trying an action RPG at all, Baroque's one of my favorites.

>>3129203
>replace dqv with dqiii
my niggah

Gotta go with EarthBound, followed really closely by Shin Megami Tensei (PS1 version), Fallout, and Dragon Quest VII. Close follow-ups are Megami Tensei II and Soul Hackers because I'm a huge Megaten fag.

>> No.3129228

>>3129218
>Fantasy

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9

>> No.3129264

>>3129036
Tell me in the rulebook where it says an RPG has to be completely non-linear.

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>> No.3129406

>>3129079
my nigga

>> No.3129532

>>3129065
I was still young as fuck, but my older brother had every english released final fantasy on the NES, SNES, and Gameboy as soon as it came out. But he didn't get Chrono Trigger until a few years after it was released, and even then he got it second handed from a friend. It wasn't until SNES emulators became more prominent that games like Chrono Trigger and SD3 got popular. I had Final Fantasy Adventure and Secret of Mana, but I was blown away to learn that there was a sequel to Secret of Mana that was fully translated. I guess Final Fantasy Chronicles got it some exposure, but the loading times were so bad that I bet most people experienced it emulated since no one really bought it on SNES and buying the cartridge now is too expensive.

>> No.3129662

>>3128437
That one. God I wish I could erase my memory just to experience it for the first time again.

>> No.3129682

FFII

>> No.3129685

>>3129682
so you like punching yourself in the nuts?

>> No.3129691

>>3128437
Grandia
Dragon Warrior Monsters (1 and 2 both have good parts, can't decide which I like more)

>> No.3129708

Meme Trigger

>> No.3129715

If I could remove one game from existence, it would be Chrono Trigger. It has done so much more harm than Earthbound, Call of Duty, Majora's Mask. It's a mediocre game that is only remembered fondly because it was the only option kids had for a JRPG. They don't want to admit, they can't admit, that they like something that isn't that great.

>> No.3129726

>>3129715
CT is far better put together than FFVI was. If anything VI should be the game that gets to fuck off and not exist because it's infinitely more flawed.

>> No.3129864

>>3129715
>If I could remove one game from existence, it would be Chrono Trigger. It has done so much more harm

>Chrono Trigger
>has done so much harm

That's some interesting autism you've got there. Would you care to explain what you mean?

>> No.3130002

Not retro but A Witch's Tale. Nice visuals, story, and music.

>> No.3130013

>>3128437
Final Fantasy Legend II will always have a place in my heart.

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Star Ocean: The Second Story. Incredible game, its too bad the series just got worse and worse after that.

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>>3129715
>>3129726

>these games shouldn't exist because they're too popular and that means they're overrated

>> No.3130154

>>3129202
Albert Odyssey and Panzer Dragoon Saga are the only turn based jrpgs that got localized (as far as I know).

There's also Shining the Holy Ark which is a dungeon crawler as well as Blazing Heroes and Shining Force III which are strategy/tactics.

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>>3128437
>CT
>RPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06dcjalWKL8

>> No.3130390

>>3129041
I used to watch Dragon Ball all the time as a kid in '93 before I was enrolled in elementary school. It aired with the Super Mario Bros Super Show and Sailor Moon in the mornings. Good times.

>> No.3130397

>>3130390
What cunt?

>> No.3130427

>>3129864
They dont mean anything. This board hates CT for some reason, so they always spit out senseless shit like that.

>> No.3130465

Dragon Quest 4,5, 8, & 9
Final Fantasy 3-7, 9, 10
Faxanadu
Crystalis
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario RPG
Earthbound
Breath of Fire 1, 3, 4
Legend of Mana
Legend of Dragoon
Paper Mario 1 & 2
Wild Arms 1-3, 5
Tales of Symphonia
Dark Cloud 1 & 2
Xenosaga 1 & 3
Final Fantasy Adventure
Golden Sun
Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga
The Last Story
Xenoblade Chronicles
Bravely Default

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golden sun,
definitely my favorite RPG.

>> No.3130491

Treasure hunter G
star ocean 1 & 2
breath of fire 3
wild arms 1-3
suikoden 2
Lunar 1 and 2
SMRPG
harvest moon BTN (I guess it counts)
terranigma
seiken densetsu3
Phantasy star 4
Shadow hearts
diablo fucking 2
azure dreams
there's lots more on PS1 I just can't remember them all

>> No.3130495

fire emblem 5: Thracia 776

>> No.3130505

>so many goddamn console jrpgs
ULTIMA
WIZARDRY
GOLD BOX (SSI AD&D GAMES)
EYE OF THE BEHOLDER

Come on, /vr/. It's like I'm on /v/.

>> No.3130513

>>3130505

yup. and some of these choices aren't even retro

>> No.3130639

>>3130154
How about Magic Knight Rayearth?

>> No.3130641

Have JRPG's faded on home consoles in recent years? Certainly seem much less produced/localized or even discussed.

>> No.3130653

>>3129242
this or 7, they're fucking perfection

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>>3129685

>> No.3130697

>>3130639
Yeah sumones dumb as fuck

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>>3130465
>Breath of Fire 1, 3, 4

OK, I'll be the guy to ask. Why don't you like 2?

>> No.3131250

>>3130641
That was my question a few days ago as well. From what I know, it moved almost exclusively to the portable consoles.

>> No.3131259

>>3130482
You can't forgive the ending. Even if its one of the only cliffhangers that actually got a sequel

>> No.3131283

The Adventure of Link

>> No.3131389

>>3131205
Because its up its own ass with its message about religion. That and it's the most grind-demanding game of the whole franchise.

>> No.3131547

Ultima VII of course, bets all the weeb games for sure.

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>>3130505
Ooh I forgot EoB. How about Dungeon Master?

Western computer RPGs were great stuff and produced with more imagination than the JRPGs typically had. JRPGs are usually incredibly formulaic.

>> No.3131560

>>3129079
OK game but whizzy animations do not add much to the gameplay.

>> No.3131568

>>3130641
They have for a lot of reasons
They used to dominate the market for a long time, as did Japanese consoles
Western RPG developers were for the most part relegated to the PC and in general had MUCH smaller awareness for their games. However both because of the freedom PC offered and general Western design philosophy, wRPGs were far more open ended and gave far more freedom/variety to the player than fairly linear and character driven jRPGs

Then Xbox came out, and latter Xbox 360 which gave western devs a platform for their games.
Elder Scrolls especially, with the massive popularity of Morrowind and Oblivion helped break the jRPG stranglehold and gave western devs an opening.

Now due to this and little desire by the Japanese to break from their linear format means western devs are far more popular.

Though in Asia Jrpgs are still bigger even if a few western games like dragon age and elder scrolls made it BIG there

You can see with games like Dark Souls that Japan has taken some influence from western devs

>> No.3131678

>>3129264
Never said that.

What I said is that RPGs aren't supposed to be completely predictable.

>> No.3131692

>>3131558
For decades JRPGs WERE WRPG clones, anon. Lots of JRPGs were originally based on Wizardry, Ultimas and Rogue-likes.

>> No.3131696

>>3131678
>What I said is that RPGs aren't supposed to be completely predictable.

Not him but your opinion of what RPGs are or aren't supposed to be is very different from man RPG makers then. Especially Japanese ones.

>> No.3131701

>>3131692
>For decades
Which decades would those be?

>> No.3131737

>>3130641
Their entire market shrunk considerably during 7th gen. The extremely high production costs with small consumer base and the rise of smartphone gaming had something to do with it.

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>>3131701
80s and early 90s probably

>> No.3131751

>>3129242
i've never played ff9 but that pic really makes me want to

>> No.3131759

>>3131751
Go for it. It's definitely in the top 3 of the series.

>> No.3131760

>>3131701
Where do you think you are, faggots. Read the sticky.

>> No.3131762

>>3131205
They're all full of furries >>>/mlp/

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>>3130694
>filename

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>>3131743
That's a decade and a bit, and during that time there were as many if not more of the style commonly associated with JRPGs. And remember FFIV came out in 1991, that's one of the hallmarks of the JRPG format.

>> No.3131774

>>3131771
Disagree, Final Fantasy came out in 91. Most early RPGs followed that DQ formula.

>> No.3131795

>>3131774
But even DQ is basically an early JRPG. No choice in anything other than a bit of battle strategy. The game is random battles through a linear plot. That's the essence of a JRPG.

>> No.3131798

>>3131795
True, DQ1 and DQ2 were the only ones more open ended like Ultima 1.

>> No.3131807

>>3131798
How do you consider DQ1 open ended? It's been years on both of them but I don't even remember being able to do any of the dungeons out of order.

>> No.3131840

Final fantasy 6

>> No.3131845

>>3131807
You can get exp and key items early. I think.

>> No.3131851
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I want all the hundreds of hours I invested on jrpgs back.

>> No.3131864

>>3131845
Even still, does that make it open ended in any real way? I remember both of those games being pretty well completely linear.

>> No.3131870

>>3131864
DQ2 at least ha an opened map. But you're right you have to acquire the key items in order to progress the plot

>> No.3132230

>>3131678
Pretty sure that ALSO isn't in the handbook.

>> No.3132278

Baldur's Gate

>> No.3132296

>>3132230
There's no dicerolls in RPGs?

Well, I'll go eat my shoe then.

>> No.3132317

jrpgs would be better if they got rid of the battles

prove me wrong

>> No.3132320

>>3129020
Muh nigga.

>> No.3132326

>>3132317
A core of any RPG is stats and the raising thereof. Without battles, how would players watch their numbers grow?

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>>3132317

I don't know. Nadia for Mega Drive is like that and I think having battles would have made this game more fun.
I still like the game, but Dragon Quest-style battles would have added some dynamism.

>> No.3132439

>>3131389
>Because its up its own ass with its message about religion.
You do realize that there have been many, many games where "lol the dominant religion is *SURPRISE* actually full of bad guys" was a major plot factor, right?

BOF2 isn't unique in that respect. Do you hate FF Tactics, too?

>> No.3132459

>>3132326
>A core of any RPG is stats and the raising thereof
Man, that's sad.

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>>3131751
You should. It's great.

>> No.3132593 [DELETED] 

>>3132439
Actually I do hate FF Tactics, but for a different reason. I just hate the gameplay it.

>> No.3132608

>>3129036

Don't tell me you like those new age WRPG's where you walk doing nothing for 60 hours?

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Mother(both 1 and 2)
Diablo
Dragon quest III and IV

That's what typically comes to mind for good rpgs to me. I want to get into turn based dungeon crawlers but don't really know where to start.

>> No.3132614

>>3132439
First, I notice you didn't dispute my gripe about it being overly grandly. And second, I actually do hate FFTactics, but for a different reason. I simply hate that game's gameplay.

>> No.3132616

>>3129715

Out of all the opinions in all the world, the dumbest had to find its way into this thread.

>> No.3132617

>>3130043
4chan is hipster central, in other news water is wet.

>> No.3132618

>>3132608
hell no

bethesda sucks

>> No.3132619

>>3128437
dragon warrior 7 desu kouhai

>> No.3132623

>>3130641

1. After FF7 jRPGs took a dive in quality. FF8, 9, X, Chrono Cross, etc were garbage.

2. Plebs nowadays are into "muh openworld" games where they walk around aimlessly doing nothing

>> No.3132624

>>3132317

Yeah, and Monopoly would be better if they got rid of the dice.

>> No.3132631

>>3131389
>Because its up its own ass with its message about religion.
Sorry man, gotta disagree. Compared to a lot of its Japanese and Western contemporaries, Breath of Fire II keeps its religion theme pretty mild. It restrains from ever delivering godawful monologues about the dangers of organized religion, having party banter shove its ideas down your throat, and openly just shows an extreme of it in a fantasy world. It's there, but I thought it was fairly nuanced and recognized the limitations of its own story.

I thought it was more a deconstruction of the place of religion in JRPGs at the time than anything. Staples like saving in the church in Dragon Quest, the unassuming role of the church in every JRPG town, religion as a staple of comfort, etc all contrasted with the role of the church in Breath of Fire II's story and the fact that there are technically two religions in the game's world (those who worship the dragons, those who worship St. Evan).

>> No.3132713

i would have to go with nethergate (and avernum 1-3 but technically not retro)

amazing stories, incredibly robust game engine

>> No.3132729

Final fantasy tactics
Baldur's Gate
FF8&9
Star Ocean Second Story
King's Field

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1. FFIX
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Golden Sun/TLA
4. FFVIII
5. Chrono Cross
6. FFI(nostalgia here)
7. DQ3
8. FFXII IZJS
9. FFV
10. SMRPG

Honorable mentions not technically regular RPGs - FFT, Tactics Ogre, Vagrant Story

>> No.3132763

>>3132760
>all that nipshit

>> No.3132772

>>3132763
I mean, I understand I'm not helping replying to shit like this, especially since I'm not the guy you said it to, but what benefit did you saying that have? I mean there's shitposting and then there's being a retard.

>> No.3132785

>>3132763
Yup.
I tried liking WRPGs, and some I do, but none are what I'd call "favorites". Maybe because I always preferred D&D and MTG as my "western" roleplaying kick, and WRPG games just couldn't match the sheer awesome of D&D or MTG.

I gave up Magic about a decade ago however. Got too expensive and casual.

>> No.3132791

>>3132785
Gotcha. What WRPGs have you played?

>> No.3132863

>>3132791
Elder Scrolls from Dagger on up, Ultima 3/5/6, Baldur's Gate, a few D&D dungeon crawlers...
Also, of the western RPG-like games, I did get really attached to Age of Wonders back in 2000. Played the hell out of that with friends. I recommend the series.

>> No.3132871

>>3132863
i heavily suggest you play nethergate

>> No.3132878

>>3132760
>FFI(nostalgia here)

This entire list screams of nostalgia though, especially Golden Sun and FF8.

>> No.3132909

>>3132878
Each of those games has a mechanic I like.

With FFVIII, it's the GFs and junctioning.
With Golden Sun, it's actually similar, in that you essentially junction djinni to your characters for various effects. And I have a thing for neat summon animations.

>>3132871
What's the magic system like?

>> No.3132917

>>3132909
boring old spell energy into spells

the celts have access to the entire spellbook but the romans only get lower level spells

the story changes depending on which side you pick but it's still fairly linear

>> No.3132925

>>3132917
I'll add it to my list.
I'm taking a break from RPGs in general. Been getting into shooters and shmups lately.
The faster the better, but not bullet hell/danmaku shit.

Been great playing Genesis titles. I had an SNES growing up.

>> No.3133372

>>3130390
Me too

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Legend of Dragoon!

>> No.3133439

>>3132760
Selphie was the worst.

>> No.3133443

>>3133439
You shut your mouth.

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• Beyond Oasis
• Brain Lord
• Breath of Fire 1 and 2
• Chrono Trigger
• Chrono Cross
• Dungeons and Dragons: Warriors of The Eternal Sun
• Fatal Labyrinth
• Gemfire
• Landstalker: The Treasure of King Nole
• Lufia and the Fortress of Doom
• Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
• Ogre Battle 64
• Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
• Parasite Eve
• Phantasy Star I
• Phantasy Star II
• Phantasy Star IV
• Pirates of dark water
• Secret of Evermore
• Secret of Mana
• Shadowrun (Sega Genesis)
• Shining In The Darkness
• Shining Force
• Shining Force 2
• Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
• Sid Meier's Pirates
• SimAnt
• Super Mario RPG
• The Elder Scrolls
• The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
• The Legend of Zelda A Link To The Past

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1.) Breath of Fire III
2.) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
3.) Final Fantasy VI
4.) Breath of Fire IV

>> No.3133467

>>3133461
Okay, anon. What point are you trying to make?

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>>3133461
Beyond Oasis isn't really an RPG. It's even less of one than Zelda. It's almost a hybrid of Action Adventure and Beat 'em Up.

It's still a great game though.

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>>3133467

>> No.3133524

>>3133515
k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_role-playing_game

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>>3132317
The problem with this is that battles are where the only real gameplay of JRPGs lies. If you take away that all you're left with is a visual novel where you have to physically walk your character to the next story point.

Or if you make it in more of a western style and add puzzles you would end up with an adventure game.

For better or worse, RPG games are sort of defined by their battle systems, so you can't take that away and still have the same genre. But if you don't like that aspect, there are other related genres you could look into.

If you want a game that rolls dice at everything you do, and it's possible to slip on a loose rock and break your leg then play IVAN.


Even more if you're not concerned with staying retro. Some people are trying really weird things looking for new ways to incorporate something resembling roleplaying into video games.

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>>3133524
Let's not get into yet another thousand post thread about the difference between Zelda style action adventures and Secret of Mana style Action-RGPs again. If you're one of the people who wants to blur or ignore that distinction then whatever, think what you will.

But suffice to say, if you are one of the many who makes the distinction between them Beyond Oasis is even farther removed from an ARPG like SoM than Zelda is. It's essentially an action-puzzle game, other than the setting and top down perspective it has no real RPG trappings.

RPG mechanics wise Simon's Quest is closer to an RPG in every way.

>> No.3134304

Zelda is not an RPG no matter how much you whine about it.

>> No.3134431

>>3134304
Exactly. Calling Zelda an RPG ruins the whole point of having genre distinctions in the first place.

>> No.3135076

>>3128437
Ultima VII is objectively the best RPG of all time.

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>>3134304
>>3134431

Yes it literally is an adventure role playing game according to studies.

>> No.3135352

live a live
treasure of the rudras
ffvii
FFT
Vagrant Story
Lufia 2
Chrono Cross
Suikoden 2

>> No.3135356

>>3135076
>Ultima VII is objectively the best RPG of all time.
I'm curious; why do you say that?

>> No.3135395

>>3135356
Because that's the kind of things memelords say.

>> No.3135423

>>3135356
Because it's the objective truth.

Go anon, go right now and play it.

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Loved everything about it.

>> No.3135653

>>3135086
nope, it's an action adventure- nothing more

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>>3135463
Loved the shit out of this game

Random question, are there any earlier examples of games like this? I loved the shit out of this game back in the GBA. It was the closest thing to Diablo II and had it's own charm. Were there any earlier JRPGs for SNES or NES that were like this, as in real time combat with XP and Loot?

>> No.3135662

>>3133537
Beyond Oasis had such a deep control scheme, more than it had any business having, I remember finding like obscene special attack inputs for different weapons on top of the already fucking slick basic controls.

>> No.3135671

>>3135463
>please nobody ever notice that I can't draw toes
>let me hide them forever

>> No.3135680

>>3129098
I personally thought Phantasy Star 4 was too easy, especially in comparison to the first 2, my favourite retro RPG is the first Phantasy Star though so not a far cry from your choice anon

>> No.3135694

>>3135658
>Never heard of it
>Search it
>Graphics and play style interests me
>Go to Wikipedia
>Shining Series...
>A hole bunch of installments under the name

This's why I never leave /vr/, my backlog increases more than I can play

>> No.3135718

>>3135694
Back when I was playing Diablo II religiously I asked someone if there was a game like it on GBA and this was the game they pointed me to, I played it non-stop on busrides and shit. The other Shining games are tactics RPG style games, but I'm wondering if there are any other good ARPGs like this for older consoles.

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>>3135658
very similar.

>> No.3135726

>>3135653
>it's an action adventure- nothing more
That's not true at all, you play the role of the Avatar, and develop this character in the direction that you see fit, along with his ragtag crew of misfits.

Most role playing games are ALSO adventure games, perhaps you're confused by this fact.

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>>3135658
This.

>> No.3135756

>>3128437

Earthbound.

Fuck you, I don't care, its my favorite and you can eat my dick.

It may not be a thing you like, but thats not why i'm here.

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>>3135756
Why don't you suck my fucking cock and fight me fatso

Final Fantasy 2 is clearly the winner here.

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>>3135718
>tactics RPG style games

Still suits my tastes, thanks for the accidental recommendation. Unfortunately I don't have anything to give you regarding ARPGs except what this guy said>>3135739. My backlog gets wider and wider so its becoming difficult to search it by gender (specially the part I haven't played yet). Perhaps Boktai? I think it's an ARPG, I remember the best way to play it is with an emulator on a cellphone because of the photometric light sensor the game requires (the original cartdrige had it) which our smartphones easily have nowadays. This could be a neat option for you if you happen to play so much on busrides.

>> No.3135814

>>3129020
This

>> No.3135817

>>3135807
N O T
R E T R O

>> No.3135821

>>3135817
You're right, he asked for earlier ones, preferably on SNES or NES. My mistake, got distracted by the fact he posted about a GBA game as well.

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>>3135671
There were some with toes. Id as just that kind of painting style, with a whole lot of use of blurring.

>> No.3135880

>>3135726
>That's not true at all, you play the role of the Avatar, and develop this character in the direction that you see fit, along with his ragtag crew of misfits.
Which zelda game is this again? because there is zero character development in zelda

>> No.3135886

>>3135718
>The other Shining games are tactics RPG style games,
The retro Shining Force games are, almost every entry past the 90's is an action RPG.. Shining Wisdom for the Saturn is also an action adventure type game.

>> No.3135896

>muh arbitrary definition of retro
>doesn't cover games made in retro style
>ignores retro games that are old as fuck but don't make the age cutoff

What makes 2000 so special anyway, especially for a retrograde genre like RPGs?


>Baldurs Gate is allowed
>Icewind Dale is allowed
>Planescape is allowed
>Icewind Dale 2 isn't
>Baldurs Gate 2 isn't
>All use the same engine

>Neverwinter Nights isn't allowed
>Neither is Temple of Elemental Evil

>> No.3136228

>>3135463
I died so much in that game. I could never get the hang of it.

>> No.3136231

>>3135896
>What makes 2000 so special anyway

Turn of the century, turn of the millennium. Pretty important dates. /vr/'s hardline stance isn't perfect, but if you don't like it, we have at least two other boards to accommodate you.

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>>3135726
>Avatar, and develop this character in the direction that you see fit

Are you being serious? It's hard to tell. You don't develop the character of Link in any way other than your imagination. With that description, virtually every game where you play a character would be included as a roleplaying game. It's hard to imagine anyone being this dense, but around these parts I've learned not to take things for granted.

>>3135662
Totally, that's why I love it so much. It took notes from Zelda as it's starting point but then makes a very Sega styled version of it. It's almost a brawler with some Zelda puzzles, and the controls are fantastic. I actually miss in the sequel that jump is it's separate button. Something about crouching to jump just felt so right.

The sequel, Legend of Oasis is an interesting point in the Action Adventure vs RPG spectrum. You can rank up and gain more HP, but unlike most RPGs it's not from killing monsters for XP it's from taking damage. And ranking up isn't seen as a good thing, the test of skill is beating the game at the lowest rank possible because it's a reflection overall of how much damage you've taken.

I wish more games made use of something like that, it means the game is accessible to less skilled players because they can rank up a ton and brute force the game. But the excellent controls and combat also means there's a lot for people who really want to sink their teeth in and master the game.

>> No.3136239

>>3136231
An arbitrarily-chosen date system based on the birth of some jew.

>captcha says: furnace ne56

>> No.3136292

>>3136239
I'm sorry that AD just happens to be the metric of time measurement the human race is currently using, perhaps if you cry some more on /vr/ the President of Time will change it for you?

>> No.3136889

>>3136228
I so understand you!

It was a really awkward game to jump into without experience.

Many people would have played it after various other AD&D games, like the gold box series. eye of the beholder, or the ravenloft/menzo series.

Or, some people would have experience with pen and paper, making it familiar.

And a few people would presumably have experience with much harder PC RPGs, like Wizardry.

No idea if Fallout would have been good preparation, but it did show up right before, and had a few external similarities.

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>> No.3136934

SNES obviously ruled this category.

The Genesis had some nice RPGs marred by the hardware bad sound :/ It can be appreciated in a kitschy way though.

>> No.3136946

>>3136889
Doesn't fallout use GURPS?
desu though i think neverwinter nights, baldurs gate 1 and fallout 1 are a good intro to PC rpg's


then do the rest of the bioware/black isles/troika/sierra/ rpg's etc


then advance to elder god tier spiderweb software

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>>3128437
It's criminal how so much of Chrono Trigger's dialogue was altered for the American release, I can only play the retranslation hack now. So fucking dumb that they changed the Name of Glenn's sword from Grandleon to Masamune.

>> No.3136991

>>3136239
A Jew that started a mighty sophisticated hate-movement against the Roman empire.

AND, also the time when the Romans were attacking Germany, and the Germans got into the swing of banding together to counter the threat!

>> No.3137014

>>3136946
It's roughly based on GURPS, just not officially licensed, though among the infinity engine series fans I've known, there was also some huge liking of GURPS.

But it was made by Interplay, even bundled together with BG1, so it presumably had a significantly shared audience with IWD.

>> No.3137271

>>3135671
They can draw tits pretty well though.

>> No.3137330

>>3137014
Well when you get right down to brass tacks, all the systems are more or less the same. You roll dice and use probability + modifiers to run your adventure. Everything else is just dressing.

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>>3136974

>> No.3137550

>>3136934
>The Genesis had some nice RPGs marred by the hardware bad sound :/
>Phantasy Star
>bad sound
>:/
pls

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>>3136974

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>>3136974

>> No.3137841

>>3137840
what am I looking at here?

>> No.3137846

>>3137841
A blood-engorged tick being injected with hydrogen peroxide

>> No.3137878

>>3135896
You could make a thread about games made on a specific engine or genre as long as it's more /vr/ based, that's how the entire doom general keeps itself alive even if they talk about stuff made after the 2000's.

Isometric isn't a popular genre anymore so it's ok if you made a thread about isometric games and talked about a post 2000's one if you don't come out as a shitposter.

>> No.3138748

>Nintendo

Breath of fire 2, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 4&6, Seiken Densetsu III

>Playstation

Uhhh, too many of them. Suikoden I&2, Xenogears, Breath of fire 3, Wild Arms I&2, Final Fantasy 7, 9 and Tactics, Vandal Hearts 1....there are probably more but I don't remember.

>Sega

Shining Hearts 1, Phantasy Star II and IV. Didn't play too many rpg's from Sega.

>PC
Interplay's Lord of the Rings, volume one, Al Qadim (played these two a fuckload of times), Legends of lore, Etnomorph, Hero's quests(not really rpg's but close enough). Too many of them, really.

>> No.3139056

>>3137014
>It's roughly based on GURPS, just not officially licensed, though among the infinity engine series fans I've known, there was also some huge liking of GURPS.

I don't know how I never knew this, but it's the first thing that's made me want to actually play Fallout. GURPS is awesome.

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I would argue this is the best RPG of all time.

>> No.3139083

>>3139080
Most imbalanced RPG of all time with broken af Peach more like.

>> No.3139085

>>3139080
What about it makes you mark it as the best of all time?

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>>3139080
>I would argue this is the best RPG of all time.
My childhood won't let me disagree with you. My second all-time favorite game, beside Breath of Fire 3.

Which makes me realize something...

Have you played Breath of Fire 3? It has an isometric camera angle set like in Super Mario RPG, and has similar gameplay elements. Maybe you should try it, anon.

And also, this: >>3139085
The statment you made is rare, so I wanna hear you make your argument for Super Mario RPG, as well.

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>>3139107
I asked because I've started it couple of times and didn't love it enough to continue. But if there's some hidden depth or something really interesting I may pick it up again.

I am not a big fan of BoFIII though either so it may be a taste thing.

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Mainly because of the gripping plot surrounding the adventures of Kei Nanjo and friends. I swear, the death of his butler was truly saddening. I've never cried like I did when I saw that... it's too much.

>> No.3139208

>>3139113
There's no hidden depth.

>> No.3139226

>>3131851
I don't.
Before internet came to this backwoods place, they were all I had. 1995 - 2001ish is just a hazy memory of endless jrpgs and a sprinkling of school memories here and there.

>> No.3139294

>>3139085
>>3139107
Ok, well let me see if I can explain it in a cohesive and to the point manner. Here is the short version.

Mario RPG is by no means perfect. Nor have I played every RPG. But everything in Mario RPG just WORKS and it works well. It captures the hero fighting an unknown evil trope exceedingly well. The gameplay is spot on and engaging. The game oozes personality. Every boss battle is unique. Those elements all come together in Mario RPG. That is why I think it’s the best RPG ever.

>> No.3139297

>>3139085
>>3139107

Here is the long version.

To start, the story is fantastic. I don’t care what anyone says. Mostly because the character is Mario, a character whom had been around for over 10 years when the game was released and everyone knew what he did. He saves the princess. That is what he does. This game is seemingly no different it starts with that journey you went on in Mario Bros, Mario 3, and Mario World to rescue Peach. Just when you’re about to save her, Exor crashes down from the sky and you watch the stars rain down from the sky and the REAL game begins.

Then you meet Geno who reveals that there is something much more sinister going on then saving Peach. Everyone lives and wishes (hopes) are on the line, Mario an established character is thrown into a type of adventure that no one had experienced with him before. And without saying a word he has lots of personality, he gets upset at Gaz for calling him weak, he gets impatient when Frogfucius doesn’t reveal what happened to Peach, he charged into battle to save Geno, someone he had never met. All the characters you meet in the game believe in him, you’re playing as a hero whose previous adventures suddenly look small time by comparison. To me that’s very interesting. It makes it more engaging.

Then of course the graphics for their time were amazing, I think they are kinda lacking now. But they are still good enough for me to play the game once a year. The writing is funny and doesn’t take itself too seriously. The music is great, very catchy fits each area well mixing in classic Mario tunes with new songs. The game takes around 15-20 hours, which isn’t too long or too short. I think the game is pretty balanced, if you fight every enemy once each time in every new area you will level perfectly. The combat system is engaging timed hits works amazingly well, it has to or they wouldn’t have used it in every Mario RPG since.

>> No.3140076

>>3135076
No
>leveling/stat system is complete trash
>battles are press C (once) to win
>clunkiest inventory in history
>story is worse than the previous 3 entries
>dungeons are 5 metres long
>less freedom than U6
>somehow even easier than U6, unless you get lost in the game's ridiculous tangle of random quest hints that never get repeated - heavens help you if you postpone your game and return to it a month later
>>3135356
U7 is like the western MSDOS era equivalent of FF7. Flashy, but inferior to the previous entries in terms of substance.

>> No.3141617

>>3139294
>>3139297
Interesting, thanks. I don't have any real love for Mario as a character which it sounds like is a big part of the appeal. But I'll keep this in mind if I decide to take another stab at it.

>> No.3141679

Are there any good N64 RPGs?

>> No.3141719

>>3141679
Paper Mario for sure
Quest 64 debatably
Aidyn Chronicles... almost certainly not good.

>> No.3142031

>>3128437
PHANTASY STAR 4

>> No.3142046

honestly my favorites are pretty much all the megami tensei games on the SNES

never got to play the other ones, unfortunately

>> No.3142681

>>3139297
agree with you there, bro. It is certainly one of my two all-time favorite games.