/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3128095]

Does this count as /vr/?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of freedom and fiddly bits. Any tips for a newbie? How easy is it to completely fuck yourself over?

I'm playing 1.12, since 1.13 adds even more options and items and complexities.

[Anonymous No.3128149]

>>3128095

>I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of freedom and fiddly bits. Any tips for a newbie?
-it's better to train up shit mercs (they only increase in price slightly as they get more skilled) than to pay for the best.
-having said that you may want to pick your initial mercs just for their gear alone as good stuff won't be available for a long time, same with ammo.
-from what I remember of 1.12 you'll probably be shooting .38 det. specials at enemies until you take drassen as that's all you usually recover from early enemies. If you're quick enough you could probably take it with your starting equipment.
-it might seem really impossible to pay everyone starting out but once you've got a source of income it shouldn't be a problem.
-don't carry too much, you'll loose vital ap and need to rest more on the overmap.
-shoot laying down and move running full sprint whenever possible.
-use aimed shot whenever possible especially at the start. Remember to reload aswell.
Spread your mercs out to avoid grenadiers taking out everyone in one turn but don't have anyone running ahead of the rest. Plan out how you're going to deal with everyone and sit your mercs in ideal positions before the shit hits.
-save before you do weird manoeuvres (getting on a roof etc) in case you or the interface fucks up
-theres like 2 free mercs you can pick up from the start of the game. One is a medic girl that you get easily, there's also a secret one I think, look it up.
-always train up the militia in towns you've taken over
-don't attack at night
>How easy is it to completely fuck yourself over?
Pretty easily. Save often. Once you have Drassen and the mine it should be alot easier for awhile. Especially without the 'can't wake up' counter attack in 1.13
-buy lots of medic bags and first aid kits - not doing this is the easiest way to totally fuck up imo.

- Full disclosure i've never finished the game but i've played about half way lots of time.

[Anonymous No.3128178]

>>3128149

>Drassen Counterattack.
Oh god, how unfair can something get? A team of six scrubs with two MP5s, a busted-ass Thompson and assorted pistols versus about sixty goons plus another twenty elites loaded up on a mix of utter crap plus a few shit-wrecking surprises and coming from three directions at the same time. Once it's over it's a real loot parade though.

As far as hints, always use first aid kits to heal first, save medic bags for healing.
Give Pablo at the airport $10 when you find him, it saves a lot of headaches later.
If some mercs start shittalking each other, try to keep them in separate areas, you don't need them killing each other's morale or worse.
If you can, grab someone with a decent mechanical skill at the start and have them fix up any dropped guns you like the look of. Easy upgrade.
After doing a few little errands in the town with no loyalty monitor, there's a back room arms dealer who might have some nice stuff. You can also sell stuff you don't want to him.
In the above town, do not fuck around with the kingpin unless you are very prepared.
Keep any rods, springs, pipe, duct tape, and glue you find. A skilled mechanic can make neat stuff with them.
Also, if you find any marbles, give them to your best melee fighter. When dropped on the ground, they should knock prone anyone walking across them.

[Anonymous No.3128632]

[Anonymous No.3128641]

>>3128149
>-don't attack at night
bullshit advice
night time best time

[Anonymous No.3128645]

[Anonymous No.3128653]

[Anonymous No.3128846]

Thanks very much anons.

>>3128149
>-it might seem really impossible to pay everyone starting out but once you've got a source of income it shouldn't be a problem.
Starting out I hired Meltdown, Fox, M.D., and Steroid all for one week. That's left me with $7k.

How much money should I have in reserve? Should I just be spending everything I have?

>>3128178
>If some mercs start shittalking each other, try to keep them in separate areas, you don't need them killing each other's morale or worse.
Fox made a comment early on about Steroid giving her the creeps and not wanting to be near him, but other than that I haven't heard any fighting or complaints.

>Keep any rods, springs, pipe, duct tape, and glue you find. A skilled mechanic can make neat stuff with them.
There's crafting too? Fuck's sake.

>>3128653
In the counterattack webm you're doing ~80 damage, and in this one you're doing ~12. Do the enemies hulk up that much?

[Anonymous No.3128923]

If you create a custom, make sure he or she has max Wisdom so that you can level up faster and learn shit faster. I usually go with max Wisdom and Marksman. Also preferably with some points in Leadership (to train militia) and Medicine (to heal mercs).

[Anonymous No.3128983]

>>3128846
>counterattack webm
glaser ammo vs unarmored opponents with pistols
>this one
AP ammo vs fully armored opponents with rifles

also in >>3128645 you can see Bull taking a radio set off a knocked out enemy. they can use radio sets to call in mortar shelling

[Anonymous No.3128985]

>>3128983
>quoted wrong webm
see the one above

[Anonymous No.3129000]

use rooftops

[Anonymous No.3129001]

hp at first then ap ammo

[Anonymous No.3129007]

http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php

[Anonymous No.3129247]

>>3128641

>"There's mustard on your shirt!"
Looks like you've got some ketchup on yours, son.

What mods for JA come highly reccomended after 1.13? I've had a blast with the pile of options and gear to play with, but I'm ready for some new things.

[Anonymous No.3129579]

>>3128095
Men, even Diablo 2 is now retro (this game have now 16 years and yeah, I know, it's fucking depressing)

[Anonymous No.3129710]

>>3129247
Arulco Revisited adds a lot more detail to the maps, otherwise it's still the default campaign

[Anonymous No.3129796]

>>3128095
Has been a while since I played but essentially:
- game is easymode except for attack on first SAM site (because enemies will have rifles and you won't) and some of the late-game counter-attacks (because those guys have some godly gear and godly stats)
- game becomes incredible drag after you capture ~half the map because you will be managing militia, repairing equipment and fighting over and over in the same regions
- you can use initial budget to hire best mercs affordable for 2 or 3 days and blitzkrieg your way straight to Meduna

As for actual gameplay tips:
- proceed slowly, ambush enemies whenever possible (behind the corner, from stealth, etc)
- stay in teams of two or three people, take enemies out one at the time
- another viable approach is using one guy as a spotter keeping them stealthy and everyone else from outside of the enemy sight as a gunner, you can shoot at people you don't see yourself - you won't him much enemies won't do shit back
- two aimed shots are generally better than three snapshots, unless at point-blank
- best melee weapon is Crowbar, two hits will deplete anyone's Stamina making them collapse with exhaustion
- you can steal gear from enemies that collapsed with exhaustion but are still alive, this has significantly better "drop rate" than killing them
- night missions are dread early on but piece of cake once your people have night-goggles

[Anonymous No.3129954]

What's your opinion on playing with "enemies drop all items" on?

[Anonymous No.3130263]

>>3129954
more fun and rewarding to sneak up, knock out and steal their stuff while they're unconscious

[Anonymous No.3130352]

1.13 is hot garbage

[Anonymous No.3130421]

>>3130263
does stealth even work in 1.12?

[Anonymous No.3130434]

OP here. Any tips for fighting on the roads?

Flanking in Omerta was a piece of cake thanks to abundant cover, but out on the roads there is very little cover at all. At best you have trees which don't actually seem to help much, and the rest is open field.

[Anonymous No.3130447]

>>3128095
I've never played this before but it looks awesome. How should I start?

[Anonymous No.3130501]

>>3130447
Dive into it like a retard like me. I'm getting my ass blasted by thugs trading potshots across an open road at each other while lying prone.

A manly foulmouthed woman with the voice of a 50 year-old chain-smoker codenamed "Meltdown" is the only reason my team hasn't been completely dumpstered.

[Anonymous No.3130518]

>>3130501
Where do I get it, and should I install patch 1.13?

[Anonymous No.3130524]

>>3130518
I bought it off steam because I'm lazy, but it's obviously quite old so it shouldn't be too hard to pirate.

[Anonymous No.3130530]

>>3130518
>>3130524
Also, 1.13 adds a metric shitton of options and items and mechanics. The game already just kind of drops you into it like the original X-COM and leaves you to fend for yourself, so I stuck to vanilla.

[Anonymous No.3130610]

>>3130518
stick with vanilla until you get comfy

[Anonymous No.3130640]

It seems like it takes a fucking long time to heal. I had to spend about 24 in-game hours healing after a bad firefight.

My two medics were set to doctor and the rest of the team was set to patient. Is there something else I have to do, or is healing just slow in this game?

[Anonymous No.3130646]

>>3130640
Up the healing skill?

[Anonymous No.3130649]

>>3130646
MD and Fox come with bretty gud healing skills

[Anonymous No.3130668]

>>3130640

Healing is pretty slow. People aren't superheroes, the best way to keep the delays to a minumum is to not get shot. One bullet can do a lot of damage.

And if you are waiting, at least have your other mercs kill time by training skills or militia if you're in a town you control. Every little bit helps.

[Anonymous No.3131528]

>>3130518
install 1.13 and switch it to vanilla mode

[Anonymous No.3131551]

>>3130421
sneaking up right behind someone might not work iirc, but you can still knock out enemies

[Anonymous No.3131573]

>>3130668
How do I not get shot out on the road in broad daylight?

[Anonymous No.3131592]

>>3131573

Put most of the team in the trees to one side, then 'pull' the bad guys towards them with a scout. Fire a few wild shots and leg it back to safety, where your hidden dudes can pop up and hopefully ventilate them.

[Anonymous No.3131595]

>>3128641
Night fights are a pain in the ass, and they boil down into having NV googles while hoping your enemies don't and relying on the game's "stealth".

[Anonymous No.3131607]

>>3130518
No. First play the game normally, then decide if you want to wade in a sea of bloat to find out the few good things 1.13 has to offer. Not that they will make the game less of a automatic rifle fest where you snipe everyone from afar, with pistols, SMGs and shotguns strictly relegated to the bottom tier.

[Anonymous No.3131652]

>>3131595
if you're not going full stealth, use break lights

also keep low and use camouflage

[Anonymous No.3132009]

>>3130646
>for v1.12
You can heal "dying" enemies to train Medical, they are considered non-hostile (helpless). When they restore to "critical" they count as hostile again and combat will start, but you will always have initiative, just punch them with bare fist (by the way, this punching trains Strength and maybe Dexterity) and if they don't die heal them again. Medical supplies are plentiful and you can easily train + 2 or +3 Medical per enemy. This doesn't work if the enemy is last one on the map, in that case they die right away.

[Anonymous No.3132046]

>>3128149
other than the night advice this is all good.

I would also add that anyone under lvl 6 is flat out useless going into meduna. interrupts and experience lvl is everything. heavy weapons is also very nice at the end

[Anonymous No.3132598]

You've gotten me back into this game once again you fuckers

[Anonymous No.3132673]

>>3130640
>>3130668
Compared to X-Com, healing is pretty fast and it also takes much more for people to die.

[Anonymous No.3134393]

There is a lot of good advice here already, such as the advantages of attacking at night. With NV, breaklights and night time specialists, night ops can be like shooting fish in a barrel. I will add a few other tips from my 3 months+ playing 1.13 recently.

Squad composition and equipment. This depends on your playstyle. If you are big on night ops, then it's all about NVG, breaklights, and silenced submachine guns. You will be too weighed down for assault rifles and you don't need their longer range anyway. With all the specialised equipment you need to keep the inventory light. More weight = less AP.

Assault rifles are required for ops in day time and wide open spaces. A day squad ought to have one or two mercs with a long range weapon, too.

It's common knowledge that Barry, Igor, and Grunty are all good choices to recruit from the beginning.

Forget about pistols and revolvers after the midgame, unless it's a flavour thing. Machine pistols like the Skorpion outdo them all and make good sidearms.

[Anonymous No.3134402]

>>3134393
And speaking of being attached to certain weapons - I love the Ruger Mini 14. It is a very useful weapon to have earlier on. Reliable, 30+ range and in a common calibre - great long range weapon from the start, and can be converted into an assault rifle. Good backup weapon to keep around.

[Anonymous No.3135021]

What's a good build if I want to dual-wield pistols the whole game? Which guns should I use? Is it atually viable?

[Anonymous No.3135036]

>>3135021

Ambidex is probably going to be important to reduce the off-hand penalty. If you're going two-weapon, you'll want to do a lot of nightfighting, preferably with a one-handed SMG or machine pistol (silenced) and something large caliber (silenced) in the off hand for damage. Two pistols are generally too low-damage or too slow shooting and very low ranged for anything short of close-quarters. You can have a pair of Automags sent to you for helping escort someone from Chitzena, but it takes some time to get there. They are about as good as pistols get in 1.12.

[Anonymous No.3136282]

>>3130518
1.13 is garbage. just play vanilla

[Anonymous No.3136304]

>>3135021
Definitely. Meltdown is a killing machine in 1.13, especially in urban areas

[Anonymous No.3136327]

>>3129710
I cannot play without Arulco Revisited, it's such a huge improvement.

[Anonymous No.3136750]

>>3128641
>>3128645
>>3128653
is it 1.13 ?
i dont have new towns like you, and maps looks somehow like in wilfdfire, which i liked compared to barren vanilla

what mod is this ?

[Anonymous No.3136752]

>>3135021
Fox is fantastic for dualling.

[Anonymous No.3136870]

>>3136750
nevermind i'm stupid

[Anonymous No.3136878]

>>3135021
Until enemies start wearing actual armor. Then you spend tons of AP for pitiful damage. Pistols and SMGs are not particularly powerful, even the two secret pistols you get for saving the old couple have pretty noticeable drawbacks even with their decent damage. It's pretty good for early game.

[Anonymous No.3139678]

Best starting squad?
>IMP
>Barry
>Igor
>Grunty
>Buns
>Ira

[Anonymous No.3140063]

I always hire Dr. Q first chance I get (If i couldn't get him on day 0) and send him off to San Mona to do fighting.
Easy 15K every night PLUS 10k from the leather shop.

[Anonymous No.3140073]

>>3140063
I always use Bull for the fights
the first guy, he can knock him out with a single punch

[Anonymous No.3140118]

>>3140063
>>3140073
I accidentaly riled Kingpin up before visiting the bar on my first playthrough. Oh well, I'll save it for the next one.

[Anonymous No.3140604]

guys what will I need in Meduna? I've got 6 mercs, 2 with fals, 1 with a c16, 1 with the multi rocket launcher thing and a mortar, 1 with a dragonov and 1 with a steyr. most are on level exp 6. Am I ready?

[Anonymous No.3140725]

>>3140604
first of all, more experience level, 6 is a bit minimal
lots of heavy weapons (mortar, LAW/RPG)
a few C1/C4/TNT might come in handy to go through walls
one sector has bloodcats, take some pistols/MPs with HP/Glaser ammo
regen boosters, you won't have time to heal

[Anonymous No.3140832]

>>3140604
You'll need well over 10 LAWs.

[Anonymous No.3141584]

>>3140725
>webm
lol
>regen boosters, you won't have time to heal
ain't got time to bleed

>>3140832
>You'll need well over 10 LAWs.
really? How do you even carry that many?

[Anonymous No.3141638]

>>3141584
2 squads.
You'll need 10 LAWs because only 1 isn't guaranteed to take down a tank in a single hit, and you'll have to account for misses (which happen pretty often). Or you can just savescum and try to take down every tank with 1 LAW.

Or do you mean the main building? The LAWs are only necessary for the adjacent maps (airport specially). If you're on the main building, you'll need an explosive of sorts to open the room where the final boss is at.

[Anonymous No.3141681]

>mfw I let Ira get the killshot in the finale

[Anonymous No.3141692]

>>3141681
"I'm learning!"

[Anonymous No.3141716]

>>3139678
the beauty of ja2 is that basically everyone in AIM is good, and quite a few MERC members are excellent as well (although I love playing even the shitty MERC mercs).

that said, an easymode, super cheap party would be

imp
grizzly
barry
fox
stephen rothman
razor

[Anonymous No.3142406]

>>3141584
You don't need all the LAWs at once in every map. At worst you can retreat and try again later while bringing more if you think what you have won't do.

[Anonymous No.3142417]

Literally Rambo.

[Anonymous No.3142468]

>>3142417
That's 1.13's new inventory system?

[Anonymous No.3142494]

>>3142468
I haven't played vanilla so can't compare, I think it adds openable bags and backpacks. If you have a backpack you can't climb stuff though.

[Anonymous No.3142573]

>>3128178
>marbles
I have never gotten marbles to work properly. Do you have to equip them in your hand before dropping them, or do you just throw them on the ground from your inventory?

[Anonymous No.3142594]

>>3128178
>In the above town, do not fuck around with the kingpin unless you are very prepared.

I enjoyed surrounding his house with my squad positioned so they could see into all the room windows. Then they all opened fire at the same time killing all his goons. When I went in I found him cowering in a corner.

[Anonymous No.3143403]

>>3142573
just drop

[Anonymous No.3143756]

>>3128641
>>3128645
>>3128653
Holy shit this game looks SUPER fuckin' comfy. Gotta get me this and try it out.

[Anonymous No.3145876]

bump and how do you sidestrafe walk in ja2? I've got enemies camping in a big house in Balima.

[Anonymous No.3146045]

>>3145876
Hold alt I think.

[Anonymous No.3146210]

>>3145876

[Anonymous No.3146342]

>>3146045
>>3146210
Thanks anons

[Anonymous No.3146437]

>>3142468
Yup. In vanilla, you get 4 big slots and 8 small ones, and that's it. And what you have in hand too.
>>3139678
Frankly, anyone with decent WIS and not terrible Marksmanship. Then you can choose what you need most. Personally, someone with Medical, Mechanics and Leadership, so I can capture cities faster and get more money out of them.

[Anonymous No.3147215]

Don't forget to check out Bear's Pit Jagged Alliance Forum.

[Anonymous No.3148005]

I love the combat in this game even more than in Xcom, but the static maps get old real fucking fast. If this had some sort of randomized map element it would be a 10/10,

[Anonymous No.3148376]

What is the benefit of getting rid of the aa sight and where is it?

[Anonymous No.3148378]

>>3148376
*AA site

[Anonymous No.3148434]

>>3148376
If you have no pilot in the first place then there is no benefit.