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3117517 No.3117517[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Hey /vr/
It can be a pain to download older games or games in general
Where do you guys go to download older games? Are you guys subscribed to private trackers like Gazelle Games or Blackcat Games?

>> No.3117551

old-games.ru and legendsworld.net

I don't have the space for a private tracker.

>> No.3117682

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg

>> No.3117693

Steam & GOG.
I don't torrent games because I'm white.

>> No.3117719

>>3117693
>paying for fucking code

>> No.3117721

>>3117693
>GOG

You're literally paying for what used to be abandonware.

>>3117517
Just torrent, anon. Kickass or even that sad sack of shit that TPB became almost always has what you want.

>> No.3117726

I use Google. Works most of the time.

I used to buy from GOG as well but then I realized I was paying for pirated versions of games running on dosbox.

>> No.3117762

>>3117721
>You're literally paying for what used to be abandonware.
Abandonware: It's fine to pirate these games because nobody is trying to sell them nowadays.
You: It's fine to pirate these games because there was a time when nobody sold them.

>> No.3117819
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3117819

>>3117762
BTFO

>> No.3117827

>>3117762
If it's not going to the original devs, I'm not paying for it. GOG pockets most of that money.

>> No.3117828

Just look for GOG releases literally anywhere. Zero problems. Can even be found on fucking tpb, dude.

For games without GOG releases it can be a little trickier, but really, generally you can find those on tpb too. Just search for a modern compatability patch too and you're good to go.

It really ain't hard, gramps.

>> No.3117830

>>3117762
>>3117819
samefag

>> No.3117832

>>3117762
More like, it's fine to pirate those games because the people responsible for the code/art won't see a dime of what you pay anyway.

>> No.3117838

>>3117827
A part if going to the company that currently owns the rights and if you trace the lines ultimately the original developers profited from that in some way.

>> No.3117839
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>>3117827
It's amazing the justifications that people will put through their heads to avoid paying for something, isn't it?

>i download the music because the label gets all the money, not the artist
>i download the movie because i wouldn't have seen it anyway, so they're not losing money
>i download games because i, uh, want to support the developers directly. no i don't donate to any of them!

Et cetera.

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>>3117830
Amazing how the number of posters in the thread increased when I made the BTFO comment though, huh?

How terrifying is it for you that TWO separate people out there might not be pro-pirating?

>> No.3117848

>>3117839
What about if I'm just pirating a game I had previously bought but lost my copy of? Is it still immoral?

Some fucked up shit happened to me before causing me to lose most of my old games I used to own.

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>>3117848
Yes. The same as with any other form of media you own. Lose a book? Buy a new one. Lose a movie? Buy a new one. Nothing entitles you to a lifetime supply of free media after having bought a copy of something.

>> No.3117870

>>3117854
>lifetime supply
But anon, that isn't what is implied. I'm not saying "oh it's okay for me to pirate anything because I lost my old games", I'm just saying it's okay for me to pirate the games I had lost (but paid for).

In the same sense, I do believe it's okay to pirate a VHS tape I bought prior, and to pirate a pdf file of a book I had bought. How is that any different than just backing them up and storing them for later usage?

Especially for games, since you're just paying for a license to play it. A lifetime license.

>> No.3117881

>>3117870
You're not saying you're owed a lifetime supply for having bought the game once... but you are saying that having lost the game, you're allowed free copies?

Okay. For how long? Is there a statute in your head where it's been too long for you to get a free copy? Or would you say it's for life? How many free copies should you be allowed to have? What if this new one you pirated gets uninstalled or corrupted by accident? Are you entitled to another new one?

It's sounding a lot like lifetime supply to me, but maybe you could clarify your position.

>> No.3117882

>>3117848
Do what you want, anon. Don't let some faggot make you feel guilty for downloading data.

>> No.3117895

>>3117882
>its not physical so it doesnt matter
actual effort is put into that data, if everyone just decided to not pay money for virtual goods they would cease to exist

>> No.3117897

>>3117881
So you're saying if you buy a game on Steam, you can only install it once?

If you ever uninstall it, you'd have to buy a new copy, by your standards.

That's fucking retarded, anon, so I sincerely hope that isn't what you're saying.

For the record, yes, if you buy a piece of media you should have lifetime access to THAT specific piece of media.

>> No.3117925

>>3117895
>actual effort is put into that data, if everyone just decided to not pay money for virtual goods they would cease to exist

The second I represent the entire population is the second I'll start giving a shit.

>> No.3117934

>>3117895
>actual effort is put into that data

But is my money going to the people who put forth that effort?
With GOG, almost never.

>> No.3117940

>>3117845
You're still the same brand of whiteknighting autist who will never make a difference.

>> No.3117941

>>3117838
Tell that to Troika Games.

>> No.3117946

>>3117895
>if everyone just decided to not pay money for virtual goods they would cease to exist

Well that's what we have people like you for.

>> No.3117948

>>3117827
>If it's not going to the original devs

No shit, the original devs got paid to make the game in the first place. Publishers are the ones who actually take the gamble as to whether or not a game sells and makes money. Your fucking retarded logic is like saying you shouldn't have to pay for gas because the dinosaurs don't paid.

>> No.3117951

>>3117948
I will never stop downloading games. What are you going to do about it?

>> No.3117965

>>3117948
Okay. Then what about IPs which have switched publishers?

An example would be Fallout 1/2. Interplay took that gamble to publish the game in the first place, they are the ones who deserve the money for it.

Yet, who is going to get your money if you buy it on GOG? Bethesda. What the fuck did Bethesda contribute to the creation of Fallout 1/2 to deserve the revenue? Absolutely fucking nothing.

>> No.3117974

>>3117897
When you buy a game from Steam part of the contract that you agree to is that you can download it as many times as you like from them. However, nothing in the contract says that you can download it from wherever you want for the rest of your life. Only Steam and only as long as your account is in good standing.

If you bought a game from a retail outlet fifteen years ago, you abide by any contract there. And if nothing said you have a lifetime supply of free games, you don't.

It isn't about what you should get, it's about what you do get.

>> No.3117980

>>3117965
Bethesda spent the money to publish Fallout 1/2 and assumed the risks on it selling. It's no different for them than it was for Interplay, except Bethesda is banking on a market for a 20 year old game to return their investment.

>> No.3117981

>>3117974
>It isn't about what you should get, it's about what you do get.

Good thing I just got this lifetime supply of free games then.

>> No.3117992

>>3117981
Illegally, yes. I really don't have a vested interest in whether you pirate or not. Most of us have pirated something at one point or another.

It's just dinks like you who act like you're doing nothing wrong. C'mon. You're stealing. It might not be larceny, but it's still theft. There's no moral highground here. You do it because it's easy and there's not a big chance you'll get caught. Not because you have some ethical imperative here.

Pirate if you like, but at least be an honest pirate.

>> No.3118001

>>3117980
Sooo... No risk, then? The game was already fully feature complete and on GOG before they took over.

>> No.3118009

>>3117992
In my case you're absolutely right, but don't just assume that there aren't pirates out there who have it in for certain publishers in particular, and are willing to buy games from competitors while refusing to buy even the good games from publishers they find crooked.

It's not common, but I've seen it. Pirating Vampire: Bloodlines is a common "fuck you" to Activision, and loads of people pirate DLC specifically because they disagree with microtransactions.

>> No.3118032

>>3118009
Actually, I pirate Bloodlines. I can't find a place that still sells it outside Steam and I don't want Steam on my computer. I just thought it was funny that the only game I pirate was the one you listed as your example.

I *was* pirating Sid Meier's Pirates up until about a week ago when GOG started selling it.

>> No.3118036

>>3118032
For awhile there there were recommendation lists that actually suggested you pirate Bloodlines. I don't know the specifics, but apparently Activision fucked Troika games pretty hard.

>> No.3118279

>>3118036
>>3118032
>>3118009
OP here. I generally don't download games.
For VTMB, I made an exception. Valve and Activision fucked them over good, so they don't deserve anything. In addition, games that are not available on Steam or GOG, like Wolfenstein (2009)

>> No.3118318

>The other team worked for Activision on Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines. Using an early version of the Source engine, development was finished in October 2004. Due to contractual obligations with Valve Corporation, Activision was not allowed to release the game before Valve released Half-Life 2, scheduled for release in November 2004. Troika Games used the interim period to code a patch into the main program. Bloodlines was released on November 16, 2004 (the same day as Half-Life 2).

That was a shitty fucking move, Valve.
A shitty fucking move.

>> No.3118329

I use pleasuredome, the internet archive, and romulation for most of my older game needs. Lately I've been pulling mame roms off of edgeemu since they are mostly new enough to fit my set.

>> No.3118332

>>3117517
Emuparadise for console ROMs or ISOs.
Torrenting for PC games. Try to go for GOG releases to avoid cracking.

>> No.3118370

Can we all pretend Deus Ex was released in 1999 so we can discuss it.

>> No.3118430

>>3118370
Just talk about it as an aside, as we talk about how and where to download games.

Introduced it to my little sister and she ended up getting every ending. I was so proud of the kid.

>> No.3118431

>>3118009
>>3118279

What did Valve and Activision do to Troika?

>> No.3118437

>>3118431
see >>3118318

They literally set the game up to fail.

>> No.3118450

>>3117948
the most recent games on this board are 17 years old

the publishers probably aren't even around anymore

>> No.3118459

>>3117974
they're not scrawling it on a stone tablet and mailing it to him, it's literally just a bunch of data. there's literally no reason to buy it a second time.

>> No.3118571

>>3117517
I search for torrents of GOG exes. I really appreciate how they take other torrents and cracks, compile it into one nice .exe installer, give it a manual and free wallpapers and all other goodies, even a neat little custom desktop icon, and then put no DRM on it so I can just torrent it.

>> No.3118575

>>3118571
Considering the company was built on "Look at all these free abandoned games! Let's download all of them and sell them!" it was the least they could do.

>> No.3119020

>>3117693
I'm glad to see another Caucasian brother that pays for games. Steam, GOG or goodwill.