Why did the SNES have worse arcade-action games than the Genesis despite having better hardware?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:19:16 2016 No.3114335 [Reply] [Original]

Why did the SNES have worse arcade-action games than the Genesis despite having better hardware?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:22:41 2016 No.3114341 Blast processing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:23:49 2016 No.3114342 >>3114341 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:49:12 2016 No.3114370 How are you supposed to avoid Dr. Wily's second form attacks in Mega Man 2?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:55:44 2016 No.3114380 >>3114335 >SNES >better Here, OP, I took your bait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:09:27 2016 No.3114405 >>3114380 But muh high definition sound technology! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYF_9e2azE

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:24:51 2016 No.3114419 >>3114335 Stop making console wars threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:28:43 2016 No.3114425 >>3114380 What games are even worth playing on Genesis? All my friends had SNES. I had SNES. Looking back on the library everything looks mediocre, but that could just be nostalgia because I never came in contact with the Genesis.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:54:01 2016 No.3114448

>>3114425
>What games are even worth playing on SNES? All my friends had Genesis. I had Genesis. Looking back on the library everything looks mediocre, but that could just be nostalgia because I never came in contact with the SNES.
This is how dumb you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 09:12:23 2016 No.3114467 >>3114448 It was a genuine question because I want to give the console a chance, but thanks for proving that the Genesis library has literally nothing but garbage and shovelware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 09:20:52 2016 No.3114471 >>3114467 Have you tried the game in the OP? Have you tried the games by the company that made the game in the OP? Have you tried google? Jeez you SNES fanboys are pathetic.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 09:32:58 2016 No.3114482
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>>3114335
Audience maybe? Sega had a different impression of what their customers wanted out of games than Nintendo and went for different kinds of games on average?

There are still some great action games on SNES and great non-action games on Genesis. Who cares what the ratios were?

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 10:23:56 2016 No.3114556

>>3114335
Because it *didn't* have better hardware. Genesis had a faster CPU and higher default resolution, SNES had a better color palette and sound chip. The Genesis was better suited for fast action, and the SNES was better suited for games that relied on atmosphere and overall presentation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 10:27:31 2016 No.3114563 >>3114556 >SNES had a better color palette and sound chip SNES's sound chip is crippled by the tiny sample memory so any theoretical advantage is useless in practice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 10:30:25 2016 No.3114568 File: 55 KB, 640x256, st2214_dbs1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3114556 How come SNES got Super Turbo then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 10:38:06 2016 No.3114594 Better processor, can handle more sprites on screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 10:42:39 2016 No.3114604 >>3114563 Come back with a Genesis game that isn't tinny as hell with farting sound effects and I'll come back with an SNES game that isn't muddy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:13:58 2016 No.3115201 >>3114604 genesis farty bass > snes farty trumpets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCaoC7nXUi0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:18:09 2016 No.3115207 >>3114380 Dude it came out almost two years later I would hope it had better hardware and Im a huge sega fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:33:16 2016 No.3115237 >>3114604 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWclV9H2eY Now where's your non-muffled SNES music?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:33:57 2016 No.3115239 >still uneducated as fuck with snes and genesis hardware it's like you guys just came from /v/

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:41:55 2016 No.3115247

>>3114568
Fighting games don't usually have nearly as much shit going on all at once as shmups or run 'n guns do.

>>3114563
I love me some good FM music, don't get me wrong, but the SNES sound chip was far ahead of its time. Of course, the SNES was plagued by low quality canned samples, and the Genesis was plagued by lazy composers who couldn't into FM synthesis. In the hands of the right people, both systems could produce beautiful music. Thinking about it now however, it is foolish to call one better than the other, since they excel in different areas. The SNES has extra flexibility with its sample-based architecture, while the Genesis can achieve cleaner output with its onboard synths that procedurally produce sounds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 16:58:02 2016 No.3115274 >>3114604 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwRLtar70Oo Your move, Nintenkiddo.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:04:08 2016 No.3115282

Not even sure if I should post in a thread which will eventually became some console wars shitpost field but Mega Drive was created with the objective of being a home arcade while the SNES was meant for offering some "deep" not depreciating experiences. Hence the 3 button joystick and very quick processor for the former one and higher number of rpgs and exploration games on the second one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:05:02 2016 No.3115283 Audience, probably. Natsume's games like Pocky and Rocky, Ninja Warriors, and Wild Guns are on par with Treasure's stuff, but have nowhere the cult following Gunstar and Alien Soldier do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:25:34 2016 No.3115331 The graphics are better but it has a really slow processor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:27:28 2016 No.3115332 >>3115201 Jesus shit that sounds like some kind of bootleg.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:37:12 2016 No.3115352 >>3114568 Neither SNES or Genesis had ST.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:51:32 2016 No.3115375 Holy fucking shit we can play any snes and genesis game using an emulator, why do you have to shitpost on one being better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 18:56:36 2016 No.3115475 >>3114568 No it didn't. Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 19:17:06 2016 No.3115518 SNES is superior while Genesisn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_cMvmzNRYQ

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 19:26:12 2016 No.3115540 >>3115518 >snes needs an enhanced compression chip just to run the game >still has loading screens

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 20:35:06 2016 No.3115691 >>3115518 shit port 2bh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG-FCGcbdjg

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 20:43:35 2016 No.3115703 >>3115247 >Fighting games don't usually have nearly as much shit going on all at once as shmups or run 'n guns do. They have nice art and sprites though, so the console ports still look quite downgraded.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:42:18 2016 No.3115782

>>3115283
I think I'd agree. I'm not a huge fan of Ninja Warriors (even as someone who really loves beat-em-ups, I think it can get a little repetitive - not enough variety) but it's still really solid, and Wild Guns and Pocky and Rocky are certainly amazing games.

Treasure probably did stay relevant (as far as action games go) longer than Natsume, though - which is definitely a shame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:49:23 2016 No.3115792 >>3114467 shadowrun is my favorite md game. sandbox game that kind of plays like fallout with arpg controls

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:49:49 2016 No.3115793 >>3114405 >"genesis games usually made bad use of the sound card which wasn't very good to begin with" >"b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but the worst game on snes and arguably one of the worst games ever has bad music!! le checkmate!" are segabois really this pathetic

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:54:11 2016 No.3115802 >>3115540 >genesis can't run it at all i know every segafag's identity is based on missing the point but come on now

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:54:59 2016 No.3115805

>>3115283
>>3115782

You faggots are so wrong. Just go ahead and take a look at the prices on ebay for those games. AS is only overpriced because it had no western release and it was a limited print run for europe. GSH still hovers around the $40 mark on ebay which is decent to me.

dirty z bags Mon Apr 4 22:08:39 2016 No.3115832

All these threads are self reaffirmation for nintendo "collectors" buying hardware and games at current prices. You'd want to assure your self that it was a wise purchase when you saw what genesis is selling for today >>3115704
go ahead find me any boxed snes for that price, I'll wait.

Funny that Sega was marketed as the dudebro console but the owners seem more mature. I don't see threads everyday trying to bash snes because they had no cd attachment that could stream badass soundtracks and full motion cutscenes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 22:13:27 2016 No.3115840 >>3115691 my nigga that game is the shit. also cause the Genesis does what nintendon't :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:08:29 2016 No.3115949 >>3115832 ..half the posts in this thread are defensive segabois making bigger jokes of themselves then they already are

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:13:09 2016 No.3115957

>>3114335
Sega was always in tight with arcade companies, being they themselves were a huge arcade manufacturer. The Genesis was set up more friendly for arcade-style gaming, whereas the SNES was better suited for the console-friendly RPGs and platformers that Nintendo tended to curry favor with.

It's as simple as that.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:13:46 2016 No.3115958

>>3115832
>"Funny that Sega was marketed as the dudebro console but the owners seem more mature."

No, Genesis owners post on this board wanting to talk shit. SNES owners talk shit back, now Genesis owners grasp at straws and shitpost all while claiming they're more "mature".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:18:24 2016 No.3115967 >>3114341 What was blast processing again?

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:24:28 2016 No.3115983
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>>3115967
Blast Processing was just marketing speech for the fact the Genesis had a faster processor than the Super Nintendo. I think it was about 2 megahertz faster.

As far as anyone can tell that didn't do anything special for the Genesis over the Super Nintendo, though. But what a blast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:27:22 2016 No.3115989 >>3115983 No, it was about a programing trick or some shit, nothing to do with hardware. Anyway, you are wrong if you think the better CPU didn't matter in the performance

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:29:59 2016 No.3115995 >>3115989 4 to 7 is so minimal

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:31:06 2016 No.3115996 File: 57 KB, 323x452, kod.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3115995 Keep telling yourself that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:32:58 2016 No.3116002 >>3115996 Do we have any clear examples of what the faster processor did? I'm not a fan of either system, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:35:54 2016 No.3116006 >>3116002 What you see in the screen, potentially bigger and more sprites and on screen without slowdowns and at full resolution. Not that important in slow genres but quite important for action games.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:37:56 2016 No.3116014

>>3116002
First of all, SNES fanboys will tell you it had better sound and more colors.

Those two things are bullshit and almost entirely subjective. Better sound? Okay. Firstly, with the Genesis, why are you expecting perfect or crystal clear sound with a console from 1989? Secondly, why does the sound of the console dictate if it's "better" or not?

Processor and graphics are the only things that truly dictate what a console can do.

When it comes to "colors," that's an inherently deceiving spec because as that number becomes larger it rapidly decreases the perceived difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:41:08 2016 No.3116023 >>3116014 Processor is relevant with how fast Sonic was. How smooth and how fast Sonic was, especially in full 240p RGB. SNES could never have done that with a 2.68 mhz processor.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:49:49 2016 No.3116046

>>3116002
even though the genesis colors look a little bit less than the super nintendo's, they are barely noticeable and unless you put them side by side (brightness aside because it changes game to game) you wouldnt ever have noticed really

color depth is always subjective

even going from 256 colors to like 8 million goes from like shitty but still visible to perfect, where it should (judging by just the numbers alone) go from impossible to see to any degree of visibility. you get diminishing returns on the colors

if you took a desktop today with 64 gigs of ram and compared it to one with 16 you wouldn't see a different in 99% of the usage applications

without 3d, and at only 480i theres only so much you actually need that memory for just processing and holding sprites and the output resolution

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:51:02 2016 No.3116047 >>3116046 nintendo even came out /after/ the sega by like 2 years thats a whole generation in consumer electronics and processing power by moores law, the snes should have had like 14 Mhz processing

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:56:07 2016 No.3116061

You fucking faggots are still arguing this shit?
Look. On a typical early 90s television through composite or RF hookup and blaring out of a single mono speaker or if lucky two shitty stereo speakers, both the SNES and Genesis were equals. And that's all that matters. Not the raw numbers, just reality.

Now fuck off with your MY GOD'S DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOU GOD'S BOLOGNA SANDWICH faggotry.

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:56:11 2016 No.3116062
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>>3116023

No, the SNES couldn't. Still, the SNES offered a lot. The Genesis really only trumps the SNES in terms of CPU speed(which is a huge deal, not just an opinion). If you were a Master System fan, obviously it trumps the SNES in that with an adapter you can play MS games. There is also the 32X and the CD, which suck up a lot of power and unfortunately just aren't that great.

Other than that though? The SNES blows the Genesis out of the water if you're talking sheer numbers of advantages over the Genesis. Still, the CPU speed brings the two closer than would otherwise be possible. It makes you wonder why Nintendo didn't just spend a little more to make the CPU faster.

SNES Advantages:

>Colors
>RAM
>Sound RAM
>8 channel stereo
>Modes 0-7 compared to Genesis' 2 scrolling, 1 sprite, 1 window
>Larger possible sprite size(though this sometimes resulted in slowdown)
>Higher max simultaneous sprites on screen
>Game Boy Library through Super Game Boy

I love both. Console wars are for moronic babies. Still, its fun to compare both.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 00:09:11 2016 No.3116092 advantages of each consoles for dummies SNES: colors extra parallax scrolling mode 7 Genesis: resolution CPU, which implies better sprite handling, better performance and better 3D (unless the SNES used FX2 and shit)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 00:10:36 2016 No.3116093 advantages of each consoles for dummies SNES: colors extra parallax scrolling mode 7 Genesis: resolution CPU, which implies better sprite handling, better performance, decent sprite scaling and better 3D (unless the SNES used FX2 and shit)

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 01:38:22 2016 No.3116256

It's funny how when people go on about Blast Processing they always fail to mention the thing that it actually refers to. Not the faster CPU speed. That's not Blast Processing.

It's faster RAM and DMA that is Blast Processing. People ALWAYS forget to mention that the Genesis had faster RAM than the SNES.

SNES had more RAM because you NEED more RAM when you store sprites with a greater color depth. So having a larger RAM pool isn't really an advantage as much as a technical necessity for achieving higher color range.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 03:56:34 2016 No.3116471

>>3115805
What the hell are you talking about? Yeah, Natsume's SNES stuff is expensive - but take a look around online. How many people sing the praises of Natsume's SNES games compared to the people who praise Treasure's Genesis stuff? (Although I think Alien Soldier is on a tier of its own.)

I don't care about the console war stuff and I like Treasure a lot; I was just agreeing that Natsume was rad.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 04:48:11 2016 No.3116564

>>3115958
this is the first sega has a digger bick thread ive seen in ages, there is 0 snes bash threads and 2 sega bash threads in the archive. and a few on the board at any given time. I don't see segays shitting up snes threads like nintendiddlers shat all over a genesis only sound comparison thread.

Nintendo fans are bullies

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 04:52:55 2016 No.3116570 >>3116564 Australia liked to the shit on the SNES a lot last year, now it's the other way around with the SNES sperg.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 05:05:55 2016 No.3116591 >>3116570 oh so it's reciprocal like the changing of the seasons or the ebb and flow of the tides. I don't understand 4chan trends

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 05:08:38 2016 No.3116598 >>3116591 It wouldn't say it's 4chan as a whole, ijust a bunch of spergs that probably got motivated with many of those shitty console wars videos in the last years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 05:17:27 2016 No.3116613 >>3116598 good point. people don't seem to hesitate to jump on the bandwagon though. its like human TayTweets

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 08:51:54 2016 No.3116884

>>3115802
Yeah, kinda how you missed the point that the game needs an extra chip to run properly. The only Genesis game that uses an extra chip is Virtua Racing. Genesis games all ran on hardware, SNES hardware was so shit plenty of games need extra chips to run properly. I hope that's clear to you now.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 08:54:52 2016 No.3116889

>>3115958
Almost every so come war thread is started by some SNESfag taking shots at the Genesis. And if it's not the console itself it's the games for it like Sonic. How many worst game ever threads has there been for Sonic compared to Mario? SNESfags are so insecure about their overpriced console and games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 08:58:32 2016 No.3116892 >>3115983 The CPU was 7.2 MHz and over twice as fast as the SNESs 3.58 MHz processor. You're delusional if you think that had no affect on game development.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 09:05:46 2016 No.3116903

>>3116002
The processor is arguably the most important component of a hardware with the GPU being a close second. It executes the games code. A fast processor means you can program more sprites on screen, more details, and assist the GPU in rendering them quickly and efficiently. In the end you'll end up with games that have bigger sprites, a better resolution output, more sprites on screen, more effects, and minimal slowdown. Its the reason why Streets of Rage looks so good, has a fuck ton of enemies on screen at once, and the game hardly ever slows down. Whereas games like Final Fight can only handle 3 enemy sprites on screen at once or else the game become a slide show. Even today a console like the 3DS suffers from its weak CPU and as the New 3DS has shown, a faster CPU really lets you tap into the full potential of the GPU.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:18:49 2016 No.3116985 [DELETED]

my favorite SNES arcade-styled games:

Ninja Warriors Again
>pros
- great arcade-like graphics
- multiple characters offering different styles of gameplay
>cons
- green blood even in the JP version
- infinite continues

R-Type III
>pros
- GOAT mode 7 graphics
- solid gameplay featuring innovations such as selectable force pods and super modes
>cons
- has slowdown

Contra III
>pros
- it's motherfucking Contra III
- best Contra game that stays true to it's root style since Hard Corps is notorious for being a deviation from the standard Contra style
>cons
- bleh top-down stages
- it's no Hard Corps

other solid games that are worth checking out: Super Aleste, Axelay, Metal Warriors, Hagane

avoid the Rushing Beat series, the Final Fight games, and most of it's other shmups, they may look nice but gameplay-wise a good bunch of them are really lackluster

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:22:10 2016 No.3116991

my favorite SNES arcade-styled games:

Ninja Warriors Again
>pros
- great arcade-like graphics
- multiple characters offering different styles of gameplay
>cons
- green blood even in the JP version
- infinite continues

R-Type III
>pros
- GOAT mode 7 graphics
- solid gameplay featuring innovations such as selectable force pods, an auto-fire button and super modes
>cons
- has slowdown
- some of the stages tend to be rather empty

Contra III
>pros
- it's motherfucking Contra III
- best Contra game that stays true to it's root style since Hard Corps is notorious for being a deviation from the standard Contra style
>cons
- bleh top-down stages
- it's no Hard Corps

other solid games that are worth checking out: Super Aleste, Axelay, Metal Warriors, Hagane

avoid the Rushing Beat series, the Final Fight games, and most of it's other shmups, they may look nice but gameplay-wise a good bunch of them are really lackluster

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:26:03 2016 No.3116993 >>3116991 >pros >stays true to it's root style since Hard Corps is notorious for being a deviation from the standard Contra style >cons >it's no Hard Corps WAT?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:28:44 2016 No.3116996 >>3116993 some people like their Contras classic-styled while others prefer the Hard Corps approach

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 15:26:44 2016 No.3117476 >>3114335 shit thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 15:31:23 2016 No.3117489 >>3116991 >green blood even in the JP version so does shadow over mystara >infinite continues use willpower, nigga

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 15:45:23 2016 No.3117519 >>3116903 And people like to shit all over the Sega Genesis because of "colors"

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 15:47:38 2016 No.3117528

>>3116991
Those are some pretty solid suggestions. I have a couple to add:

Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie is another really great arcade-style shmup on the system, it only released in Japan though. It has graphics almost as nice as R-Type 3 but with less slowdown, and has 3 different characters with 3 different upgradeable forms so the gameplay has a good amount of variety.

Sunset Riders is about as close to the Arcade version as you could get at home and it plays really well on the snes. Turtles in Time is actually an improvement over the Arcade version in both gameplay and longevity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 15:50:38 2016 No.3117531 >>3117528 Pretty much all the Konami SNES stuff is top tier. I prefer the Genesis, but Konami had a lot more good stuff on SNES, especially Japan-only games like the Parodius and Goemon titles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 16:05:53 2016 No.3117570 >>3117528 >Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie is another really great arcade-style shmup on the system >great LOL. It's not. It's mediocre.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 16:50:17 2016 No.3117692 File: 261 KB, 320x224, revenge of shinobi.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3114335 Why did the SNES not even have Ninja's that were worth a dime?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 17:46:15 2016 No.3117812 >>3117692 Hagane is worth hundreds of dollars.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:05:57 2016 No.3117873 File: 63 KB, 250x445, Ninja_Warriors_Coverart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3117692 The SNES had cooler ninjas than the Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:38:02 2016 No.3117947 >>3117873 my nigga

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:40:51 2016 No.3117952 >>3117812 too bad the gameplay is shit >>3117873 dem be robot ninjas, nigga

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:53:34 2016 No.3117982 >>3117812 Yeah, but SHINOBI. >>3117873 third party arcade port? breh do your arguments even lift?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:56:42 2016 No.3117987 File: 9 KB, 256x224, mystical_ninja_00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3117692 Sega has no mystical ninja

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 19:52:58 2016 No.3118094 File: 38 KB, 514x363, Hanzou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3117987 homie plz

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 20:25:23 2016 No.3118164 NWA and Contra 3 are awesome (mediocre mode 7 levels aside) R-Type 3 isn't bad but i always get bored in the first level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 03:19:38 2016 No.3119072 >>3118094 >shows GBA version of Hanzou

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