Sound Debate Settled

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Sound Debate Settled Anonymous Sat Apr 2 06:55:00 2016 No.3108708 [Reply] [Original]

Recently, I’ve seen a lot of talk here comparing the sound capabilities of the Mega Drive/Genesis and the SNES.

I recently came across the fact that legendary video game music composer Tim Follin ( ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST, Nintendo Entertainment System, Sega Mega Drive/Genesis, SNES, Game Boy, Dreamcast and PlayStation) simultaneously composed and programmed the SAME score for BOTH Genesis/SNES ports for two games.

Follin was famous for his clever manipulation of limited sound hardware, for example his work on the ZX Spectrum from which he managed to play up to six channels of audio from one dynamic speaker.

Typically, Sega and Nintendo ports had different composers which made direct comparison of the systems respective sound hardware difficult… so this is the best comparison we could possibly have.

Same composer, same programmer, same score:

>Spider-Man

SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Q0s95SRXM

Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Vlbk5lgn0

>Batman

SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdwSNhB29M

Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1ucNQk7zR4

Obviously, the SNES is technically superior as the infamous “Genesis sound” is on full display against its mirrored SNES score; a refined “real instruments” sound versus a tinny and brassy one with a “farting” bass... with none of the subtleties the SNES displays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:01:51 2016 No.3108716 And on a side note, my all-time favorite individual track (SNES): >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY And my favorite Follin OST (Dreamcast): >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_a6MXF-SY&list=PL09EFF0C83B7326C5

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:13:04 2016 No.3108726 >>3108708 It seems you literally have hearing problems. High frequencies are usually the first to go, which is why you can't tell that the SNES is so muffled sounding. For people with normal hearing the Genesis versions sound far better.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:15:09 2016 No.3108729

how severe does one's autism have to be to go so hard on genesis shitposting, writing long ass threads

and besides out of all the consoles follin worked, old or new, only the genesis used FM to make music, the key to good genesis music was having a decent FM sound driver which he did not have

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:35:19 2016 No.3108743

It's undeniable that the SNES is technically superior.

But nine times out of ten I still think music on the Genesis was better.

The problem is that the SNES, while impressive for it's time, simply doesn't hold up well. It's like with early 3d games, they were amazing at the time, but looking back we see how fugly they were. A handful of games utilised the hardware well, but on most the samples are just too abrupt, the instruments chosen don't mesh well, and it sounds a mess. The Genesis on the other hand doesn't have any gimmicky instrument sounds, just the composer's talent to rely on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:42:16 2016 No.3108751 >>3108743 >It's undeniable that the SNES is technically superior. It's not. 64KiB is far too small for sample based synthesis. And most SNES games don't even use the full 64KiB to save money on carts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:43:05 2016 No.3108752 >>3108708 Genesis is more impressive because it is more technically challenging to produce good music due to understanding of fm synth. Any literal retard could make good music on snes because all they had to do was use samples.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:48:44 2016 No.3108759

>>3108752
>Any literal retard could make good music on snes because all they had to do was use samples
It's not a PS1 or an Amiga, where you have lots of memory for samples. Getting tolerable music from the SNES requires great technical skill. You need to do things like splitting notes into attack/sustain and merging notes into chords to free up channels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 07:51:02 2016 No.3108761 File: 48 KB, 572x548, 1459585967165.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3108708 SNES sound is superior in every way and only butthurt sega fanboys say otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:06:00 2016 No.3108796 >>3108716 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODKKILZiYY that track is fucking crazy for that time period

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:06:56 2016 No.3108798 You can argue all you want about specs and soundchips, but ultimately it all comes down to the actual sound engineers and composers. Not everyone making music for Genesis was Yuzo Koshiro, and not everyone making music for SNES was Uematsu.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:16:27 2016 No.3108827

>>3108726
>>3108743
>>3108751
>>3108752
>>3108759
>>3108761
>>3108798
The fact is that the SNES can play any of the music that the Genesis can play, but the Genesis can't play everything the SNES could play (in terms of sound, obviously). Regardless of what you prefer, the SNES was a more capable machine. That's it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:18:15 2016 No.3108832 >>3108798 you didn't read the op, did you

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:21:48 2016 No.3108837

>>3108827
>the SNES can play any of the music that the Genesis can play
The SNES is completely incapable of the kind of slow timbral changes that FM synthesis can do easily, eg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItJC8naWZl8
There's no way the SNES can sound anything close to this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:23:41 2016 No.3108840 >>3108832 Koshiro and Uematsu didn't work for the same game in both systems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:28:17 2016 No.3108847 >>3108827 >The fact is that the SNES can play any of the music that the Genesis can play That might be a bit hard of the Genesis is using all 10 of its sound channels. Or if you want techno that doesn't sound muffled to fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:31:54 2016 No.3108853 >>3108847 >Or if you want techno that doesn't sound muffled to fuck. Does the SNES even have any techno (as in the subgenre, not a generic term for dance music)?

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:42:06 2016 No.3108864
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>>3108847
>"10"

The Genesis chip:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YM2612
6 monophonic FM channels with only 1 capable of PCM (versus 8 PCM channels for the SNES).

"Plus" 4 from the old Master System chip included for backwards compatibility...
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_SN76489
which had three square wave tone generators and one white noise generator... basically old school Atari sounds.

You guys are too much.

>"techno"
The Genesis never did anything even approaching the sophistication of >>3108796

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:44:30 2016 No.3108870 >>3108864 Still, if you use all those channels on Genesis (square wave can be very useful in techno so your excuses don't cut mustard) then whoops, SNES is out of channels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:44:44 2016 No.3108871 >>3108864 > "Plus" 4 from the old Master System chip included for backwards compatibility... Wonder if there were Genesis games that used them.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:46:09 2016 No.3108873

>>3108864
>techno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUi-Po9UjI (note that the "higher quality" version isn't)

If you remade this with modern production techniques you could play it in a club and it wouldn't sound of place. There is nothing on the SNES where this is true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 08:50:52 2016 No.3108880 >>3108871 There were a fair few that did, usually backing the lead. See: 0:26 here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ypvPuZEkw Here's a song that actually used the PSG as a lead. Starting 0:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VVIyxNYAo

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:06:31 2016 No.3108904

Unless we're strictly talking about some sub-genre of "Genesis sounding music" there's absolutely no contest here. The Genesis literally cracked when it had to do any sort of heavy lifting, i.e. complicated music plus voice samples and sound effects etc.

Genesis: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2gen.mp3

SNES: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2snes.mp3

Genesis: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Supersf2gen.mp3

SNES: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Supersf2snes.mp3

>>3108873
Somebody already posted one that blows that away >>3108796

>>3108871
Not to my knowledge, but not 100% sure. The Master System game adapter literally was nothing but a cartridge contact adapter. The genesis had not only the Master Systems old 8-bit sound chip but its old CPU as well (the 8-bit Zilog Z80). This is why you sometimes hear Sega fans claim it had "two CPUs".

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:07:04 2016 No.3108905

>>3108873
Some of the tunes of the Sreets of Rage 2 soundtrack are actually based after actual dance tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PthnTuzKU3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY

Note how the SoR 2 track sounds just as good as the original track, sans the chiptune-y drums.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:08:15 2016 No.3108910 >>3108904 Wasn't there a beta street fighter rom with better music?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:09:15 2016 No.3108913 >>3108761 >voting for a meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:09:35 2016 No.3108914 >>3108904 I found the beta, here it is, it's pretty close to the arcade which used the same sound chip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaA-CHp5fPA

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:09:50 2016 No.3108915 >>3108904 >Somebody already posted one that blows that away >>3108796 You sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streets_of_Rage_3#Soundtrack

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:14:12 2016 No.3108923 >>3108904 >Somebody already posted one that blows that away >>3108796 It's arguably the best track on the SNES, but it's in 6/8 time, it's not dance music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:15:41 2016 No.3108925 >>3108708 Oh great another thread of non-musicians who know nothing about synthesis arguing about compositional value and synthesis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:16:39 2016 No.3108926 >>3108925 Musicians don't know shit about sound quality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:17:28 2016 No.3108928 File: 5 KB, 299x168, you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3108925 >Oh great another thread of non-musicians who know nothing about synthesis arguing about compositional value and synthesis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:17:41 2016 No.3108930 >>3108926 Sound quality is unarguably the most important thing for electronic musicians and music producers.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:18:58 2016 No.3108931

>>3108925

More like another thread where people who know nothing about anything research some soundchip names on wikipedia and throw in some techno babble and post their favorite vidya tracks.

It's like a regular vidya music thread with a console war twist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:20:01 2016 No.3108937 >>3108928 Whoa, a fedora pic and a greentext. You sure proved him wrong with your top-notch debating skills anon.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:20:24 2016 No.3108939

>>3108930
I'm talking about mainstream musicians. The kind of people who support brickwall mastering, the kind of people who think vinyl sounds good, or who use tube amps for anything but guitars. And there are whole genres of music based around being shit at music (punk, black metal).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:21:22 2016 No.3108942 File: 2.55 MB, 640x360, op_listening_to_snes.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:21:48 2016 No.3108945 File: 14 KB, 299x168, you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3108931 I'm glad you're here to tell us plebs what's what :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:22:18 2016 No.3108946 >>3108945 At your service, m'lady.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:24:03 2016 No.3108949

The SNES is superior only in that it can use ANY sound it desires but at a worse quality because it is sample-based, whereas the Genesis has a specific niche but is a master at it because it creates it's own sounds instead of sampling them.

Orchestral or rock soundtracks will be superior on the SNES while electronic soundtracks are generally superior on the Genesis. SNES reproductions of Genesis music will be inferior because they're too muffled. Genesis remakes of SNES music aren't up to debate because they become way too different.

Someone above posted a Plok track as an example of SNES dance music, note how it isn't as sharp as the Streets of Rage 3 tune which utilizes randomly-generated unique timbres.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:24:08 2016 No.3108950 >>3108945 He posted it again the absolute madman NEOGEO WINS

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:25:43 2016 No.3108954 >>3108937 You know we can tell samefagging from the posters count, right? Carry on, irrationally butthurt person.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:25:53 2016 No.3108956 >>3108949 We have another techno babbler everybody! Look at him!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:26:30 2016 No.3108957 >>3108926 Good ones do, anon. If you write, produce, and engineer, you'll likely have a pretty good ear for fidelity. >>3108931 Agreed. >>3108928 lol, srsly?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:26:53 2016 No.3108958 >>3108956 Are you so out of arguments you have to resort to blatant ad hominem now?

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:27:15 2016 No.3108961

Reminder that musicians almost universally ignore the most important work of music theory ever written:
http://sethares.engr.wisc.edu/papers/consance.html
This allows you to compose microtonal music that doesn't sound like shit. It's a huge unexplored source of novelty and musicians don't care. Musicians are as bad as movie directors thinking 24fps is acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:27:56 2016 No.3108963 Nintoddlers BTFO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FYYwj6iyAA

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:28:09 2016 No.3108964 File: 76 KB, 832x548, 1188346935701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my opinion > your opinion The thread v.74885694.6f

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:28:11 2016 No.3108965 >>3108949 This is a pretty succinct argument. Thanks for being intelligent.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:29:20 2016 No.3108968

>>3108958
I'm not even arguing, I just find it cute how some of you try to sound like you know about soundchips and sound engineering just to defend your favorite console, is all.

It's like when people try to sound like they know about mathematical graphical process when they discuss 5th gen wars.

Console warrios A CUTE!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:30:23 2016 No.3108969 >>3108968 Feel free to share some insight instead of being a useless shitter, anon.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:31:38 2016 No.3108972

>>3108949
Here's some more great work from Jesper Kyd that would be completely impossible on the SNES (other than spending huge amounts of CPU time and cartridge space streaming it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXJEJYTeRwM
Note how there are long notes with gradually varying timbre. Just one of those would far exceed the SNES's sample memory.

>Plok track as an example of SNES dance music
Dance music is in 4/4 time. It's designed to be mixed with other tracks, so you have no choice but to standardize the time signature. The Plok example is prog, not dance.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:32:32 2016 No.3108975

>>3108961
Totally irrelevant. We use the tempered scale in the west because it's ingrained in the populace's brains. If you want to be an avant-garde musician known exclusviley for using weird scales, there's a market for that, but it's not significant. Theories like that are important, but they aren't at all relevant to what we're discussing. Also what a shitty website.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:34:25 2016 No.3108976 >>3108972 >Dance music is in 4/4 time Is 2-step not dance music now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:35:25 2016 No.3108978 File: 137 KB, 466x492, 1434329680771.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3108708 >SNES score >refined “real instruments”

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:37:25 2016 No.3108982

>>3108975
The whole point is that unlike all other microtonal techniques it does not have to sound weird. If you want to you can use it to make minor adjustments from 12-tet to give even higher consonance. In that case it's similar to barbershop singing, but with more varied timbres. Or you can use completely different scales and with the correct timbres it will merely sound foreign, not avant-garde.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:42:06 2016 No.3108987 >>3108976 It's arguably still 4/4, and you can easily mix it with normal 4/4 beat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:44:09 2016 No.3108993 >>3108708 Genesis is the best looking console of all time SNES is the best console of all time http://youtu.be/5LLtta97EfI

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:45:42 2016 No.3108996 >>3108976 >>3108987 >Arguing over 2/2 and 4/4 protip: The difference only exists for ease of notation and is largely irrelevant in modern electronic music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:45:42 2016 No.3108997 Will the bit wars ever truly end? SNES is objectively superior

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:48:49 2016 No.3109006
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Both the SNES and the Genesis utilized add-ons for tasks which the vanilla systems could not handle. In the SNES' case it was special chips, in the Genesis's case it was the Sega CD.

Sega CD utilizes redbook audio.

Sega wins.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:50:38 2016 No.3109014

Sega Mega CD combined

The 6 channels of FM from the Mega Drive.
The 3 channel square wave / 1 channel noise generator from the Master System.
The 8 channels of PCM from the SNES.
And the 1 channel of 44.1KHz redbook audio from the Turbografx CD.

How is this not the master race? Here are examples of the 8 channel SNES style PCM on Mega CD - except it's better since the Mega CD has fuckloads of memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5dSt9xvFBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjgZul2wHI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TdXuR1aNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflsR8RkV9I

Outta the way SNES and Mega Drive, kneel before your master.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:53:34 2016 No.3109023 File: 46 KB, 640x448, 26841-gunstar-heroes-genesis-screenshot-the-title-screen.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3108993 >>3108997 Enjoy your kiddie RPG's while the real men are busy playing the finest of 4th gen arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:57:00 2016 No.3109029 File: 141 KB, 400x300, cybernator34.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109023 Thanks, will do But I will enjoy Gunstar Heroes too because Genesis is also great, fuck console warriors with limited childhood memories of only having 1 system

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:57:32 2016 No.3109032 HOW CAN SNES AND MEGA DRIVE EVEN COMPETE - BOTH TRASH AND IRRELEVANT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZy4B5OAoUU

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 09:58:39 2016 No.3109037 >>3109032 It's incredible how overrated that soundtrack is.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:07:05 2016 No.3109062

>>3108949
>The SNES is superior in that it can use ANY sound it desires

Well, that's the very definition of being technically superior sound-wise in devices designed to mimic real-life visuals and sounds. Being able to replicate real-life sounds.

Say... ring announcer voices, fighters voices, punching sounds etc.

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2gen.mp3

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2snes.mp3

There's no debate in what system made the best "Sega Genesis music".

The Atari 2600 was also "crystal clear", but no one argues it had better sound than the SNES.

What you're confusing for "muffled" is compression. The way the SNES worked was by playing compressed audio files at 32 khz. A "CD quality" file is 44.1 khz. If you take a 44.1 MP3 and reduce it to 32 khz it's going to have that "muffled" quality you speak of.

8 stereo PCM channels playing at 32 khz was crazy advanced for 1990.

The Genesis only output sound at 24 khz... less than the SNES... but of course when it's playing uncompressed Atari-esque FM sounds your ear is not going to pick up any sound loss.

But you see in the examples above what happens when the Genesis tried to use its 6 FM channels to do what SNES' 8 PCM channels did easily.

Think of the Genesis as a super advanced Atari 2600 on steroids and the SNES as a very early proto-MP3 player.

You may "prefer" the Genesis sound as far as taste goes (its "techno" tacks"), but there's no doubt the SNES was far more advanced technically.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:10:54 2016 No.3109069 >>3109062 This post is the definition of uninformed. Please don't push your lack of knowledge on the masses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:13:18 2016 No.3109072 >>3109069 Then he fits just right here in this thread or any console war thread where clueless anons try to sound tech savvy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:13:26 2016 No.3109073 >>3108972 >Note how there are long notes with gradually varying timbre. Just one of those would far exceed the SNES's sample memory. Pure nonsense. That is a nice track, though. Whole OST is good.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:17:04 2016 No.3109078

>>3109062
1. Re-read my post. I don't deny that the SNES was a powerful hardware. At the same time it wan't as brilliant as you claim it was as there were certain instances in which the Genesis was superior. Both systems were good for what they did, comparing ports is useless. We're better-off comparing exclusives which utilized each of the two system's capacities to the max.
2. You act like a neckbeard fanboy. Grow up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:17:28 2016 No.3109079 >>3109062 Get with the tiimes retarded nintendrone, it's widely known that Capcom did a rushjob with SF2 on Genesis to the point that random people fixed it in no time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOrpJP7DUw

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:17:59 2016 No.3109081 >>3109069 >>3109072 Nice counters to a statement of basic facts, butthurt Sonic loving furries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:20:17 2016 No.3109084 >>3108726 Nah mate. In a pro mix setup those high end frequencies you bone over so much, would be EQd out because they sound bad. It was a literal shock to the system after hearing the SNES one. A real fatiguing listen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:20:35 2016 No.3109085 >>3109079 >Capcom did a rushjob with SF2 on Genesis i never see more bullshit excuses than in these types of threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:24:20 2016 No.3109086 >>3109085 How it's an excuse when i posted the proof next to it? you are dumb as bricks fampai

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:25:08 2016 No.3109087 File: 9 KB, 181x189, posters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >looks over All the Sega shit posting makes sense now.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:26:56 2016 No.3109089 [DELETED]

>>3109081
There's fact and there's bias.

Bias is claiming the SNES has "refined" real instruments while the Genesis is no better than an Atari 2600 chiptunes.
Fact is knowing that the SNES uses samples and the Genesis creates it's own sounds and that both systems do their thing better than the other would.

Now fuck off to /v/ you autistic console crusader. For 25 years and non-autisic people have learned to love and respect both systems.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:28:10 2016 No.3109090

>>3109081
There's fact and there's bias.

Bias is claiming the SNES has "refined" real instruments while the Genesis is no better than Atari 2600 chiptunes.
Fact is knowing that the SNES uses samples and the Genesis creates it's own sounds and that both systems do their thing better than the other would.

Now fuck off to /v/ you autistic console crusader. For 25 years non-autisic people have learned to love and respect both systems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:33:22 2016 No.3109097 >>3109089 >>3109090 >For 25 years non-autisic people have learned to love and respect both systems. This.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:38:36 2016 No.3109102 >>3109023 But I own both, Anon. The 32x actually has some of the best arcade ports of the era, like Space Harrier and After Burner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:40:36 2016 No.3109106 The genesis could produce clearer and crisper sound over the SNES's sampling hardware. It's really up to people's taste which console is superior in terms of sound. However I do enjoy the FM synth's sound over the SNES's incredibly muffled samples.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:41:44 2016 No.3109108 >>3109090 >>3109097 Why did you just reply to yourself? >>3108978 You're full of shit if you don't hear an electric guitar playing vs a dog whistle sound in the original post spiderman tracks

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:43:00 2016 No.3109112

>>3109062
>SNES worked was by playing compressed audio files at 32 khz
The SNES has enough memory for half a second of CD quality audio that's been resampled to 32kHz. Half a second is not enough to do anything interesting, so it used much lossier compression than that. The audio was only 8-bit (although non-linear, so this isn't as bad as it sounds), and sampling rates were much lower than the theoretical maximum 32kHz. 32kHz does not sound very muffled, so if the SNES had enough memory to actually use 32kHz samples there would be no problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:44:30 2016 No.3109115 https://youtu.be/2oCg5tDrHB4 THUNDER FORCE UP IN THIS BITCH

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:45:11 2016 No.3109116 >>3109112 Was gonna say a Nyquist limit of 16kHz is probably fine. It must have been other factors, as you say, making it muffled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:46:52 2016 No.3109119 File: 7 KB, 759x137, based retard.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109108 Bitter much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:49:03 2016 No.3109124 File: 9 KB, 175x190, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109087 i was literally the only non-samefag poster since this post was made some sega fag mad

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:52:59 2016 No.3109126 >>3109062 >The Genesis only output sound at 24 khz Bullshit, it's 55.5kHz, same as all the other OPN chips. It exceeds the frequency range of human hearing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 10:58:40 2016 No.3109131 >batman forever both sound like shit, kill yourself for bringing that crap here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1iDFnp0lp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlsF1396s78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aVgruCemDE

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:01:17 2016 No.3109136 >>3109126 >It exceeds the frequency range of human hearing. You mean like a dogwhistle?

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:22:56 2016 No.3109160
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>>3108708
Some things SNES does better, some things Genesis does better. I like some multiplat soundtracks more on SNES, while I like others more Genesis.

Although Genesis does have this motherfucker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR0MWpOK1RU

That's gotta be the best and most badass soundtrack from the 16bit gen. If there's something better I haven't heard it. Just my opinion don't eat me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:23:11 2016 No.3109161 >>3109124 you sure were OP

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:32:47 2016 No.3109173 Come on now brehs. Genesis had better music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTWtNMd8mZs Show me a better SNES song than that. Just listen to how beautiful that 0:41-0:55 is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:35:12 2016 No.3109178 >>3109173 Don't forget the bass, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:36:14 2016 No.3109184 >>3109178 *And drums. And the whole fucking thing 2bh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:47:23 2016 No.3109203 >>3108796 This sounds like shit. Are you faggots deaf?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:51:38 2016 No.3109214 >>3109081 wat

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:55:24 2016 No.3109225 Limitations in hardware produced objectively better results. Working around limitations is what creates innovation and interesting music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 11:58:20 2016 No.3109230 >>3109225 ding, ding, ding! CORRECT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 12:04:43 2016 No.3109247 >wake-up >SNES autist is still shitposting Four days. FOUR FUCKING DAYS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 14:49:24 2016 No.3109621 >>3108873 I agree. Genesis could actually rock a real rave. No way a SNES could do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 14:55:21 2016 No.3109637 SNES can't do bass, and its music sounds like I'm listening to it underwater inside a tin can. I'll take even robot farts over the SNES' shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 14:58:20 2016 No.3109648 Why in the fuck is this such a big deal to some people? You're arguing over the outdated sound capabilities of two 25+ year old consoles. Guess what? They're both shit. It doesn't matter which one is "better".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:00:41 2016 No.3109656 http://poal.me/oh4r2p VOTE NOW!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:00:46 2016 No.3109657 >>3109637 But it can do double-bass! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMNrtrghCAs

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:02:52 2016 No.3109662 >>3109108 >muffled farts trying to sound like an electric guitar >refined "real instruments" wew lad

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:03:06 2016 No.3109663 >>3109648 Hey man, I need to validate the one console my parents got me as a kid, alright? Can't let the other kids whose childhood was different than mine to win this debate, just can't!

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:07:53 2016 No.3109675

>>3108796
>>3108864
Heya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydJ8sF4AJU

Also, clever tricks can make use of both the DAC and the 6th FM channel at the same time, but that gives less DAC fidelity.

>>3108871
A better question is what Genesis game DIDN'T use the PSG?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:19:09 2016 No.3109718 The 4th gen war is too played out, we should fight over 3rd gen sound capability instead. Master System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SJUE_X3F38 versus NES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr5mqrjlMl8 Which sounds better to you guys?

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:23:56 2016 No.3109736
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>Genesis didn't have F-Zero.

SNES wins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ise3eGYFWHA&index=2&list=RDcJCmbipfnyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxU0eHnQjo8&index=5&list=RDcJCmbipfnyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCmbipfnyA&list=RDcJCmbipfnyA&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldbVyorSOok&list=PLB0xooEkKbSa0bnwqGixlXc-fdmydOcAx&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejAEx_kWmko (best)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:28:07 2016 No.3109751 >>3109736 Who needs that gay crap when we have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjq9mB64Kjk

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:30:32 2016 No.3109758 >>3109751 >Post Outrun >Not even the good Outrun It sounds shit in a microwave, bruv.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:31:34 2016 No.3109760 >>3109751 >calling F-Zero gay crap you console warriors push the limits sometimes (not even the guy who posted the F-Zero music by the way, and I also like OutRun 2019, although not as much as the real OutRun)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:33:01 2016 No.3109765 >>3109736 >>3109751 Gay niggas, the both of you. THIS is the true best 16-bit console racer! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsn9u1OTzDg

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:34:14 2016 No.3109769 File: 138 KB, 1358x764, captainfalcon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109760 spandex superheroes are pretty homoerotic though, you gotta admit

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:38:05 2016 No.3109779 >>3109769 It's on the eye of the beholder, I think you might be suppressing some sexual frustration there bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:40:54 2016 No.3109784 >>3109769 I mean if you're into that, that's okay. No one's judging you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:42:35 2016 No.3109793 >>3109784 but i'm not the one that loves F-Zero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:44:39 2016 No.3109805 >>3109793 >not loving F-Zero Now that's gay

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:53:19 2016 No.3109825

>>3109793
It's okay. It really is. You don't have to explain. I went to school with a kid who thought that the Genesis had better sound SNES. His parent's were really conservative, and he was afraid to tell them how he really felt. He finally broke the news, and his father was furious. He was kicked out of his home, but for the first time in his life he could be open about his feelings. They didn't speak for a better part of a decade. They recently started to talk again, albeit it's only on holidays. Anyway, I thought I should share this story with you. You don't have to struggle with your sexuality alone anymore. We'll support any decision you make.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 15:57:51 2016 No.3109832 >>3109825 Except it's stastically more likely that people who grew up on Nintendo turn out degenerate than Sega fans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:06:17 2016 No.3109851 File: 96 KB, 780x474, 6ac9053934c327f3d6dfa44916665097ad36f5e058693c83826d862f47f26fd2_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109832 I think you got that backwards, bud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:06:46 2016 No.3109852 >>3109851 He said Sega fans, not Sonic fans.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:10:34 2016 No.3109865

>>3108708
>trying to settle a console war

That's a pretty tall order OP. Anyways, I've always felt Genesis did pop music better while SNES did classical better. It all really comes down to the composer in the end though; guys like Uematsu are just leaps and bounds ahead of the average vidya music composer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:11:38 2016 No.3109870 >>3109851 don't nintenyearolds like sonic now too ever since sega went third party pretty much confirms nintendo is as degenerate as sega, if not moreso, just look at all the pokemon furries and pedophiles

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:13:33 2016 No.3109873 >>3109870 >"don't nintenyearolds like sonic now too ever since sega went third party" No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:14:54 2016 No.3109878 >>3109873 SA2B is on pretty much any Gamecube player's list of preferred games, lol.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:28:25 2016 No.3109917

>>3109878
The most important question is, where can we trace this faggotry back to?

>Sega's SA2B on Gamecube
>Sega's SA2 on Sega Dreamcast
>Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog on Sega Genesis/Mega Drive
>Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog
>Sega's Sonic
>Sega

A lot of the degeneracy that you claim Nintendo harbors, seems to have been spread by Sega. I guess it moved over to Nintendo since Sega died from it's own degenerate homosexual tendencies. Have fun doing what ever it is you animal-fucking Sega Mega fags do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:33:12 2016 No.3109924 >>3108837 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gYubMyXzSg Note the subtle echo effect that is simply impossible on the genny

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:37:03 2016 No.3109932 >>3109736 SNES didn't have Streets of Rage. Or Alien Soldier. Or Gunstar Heroes. Or any Toaplan ports. It's a tie.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:37:59 2016 No.3109937
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>>3109832
>>3109851
>>3109870
>>3109878
>>3109917
Man, you guys look like assholes. I like both SNES and Genesis. I like the SNES sound better overall, but Genesis is definitely nothing to turn your nose up at. OutRun, Batman, and Earthworm Jim are fucking rad on Genesis.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:41:38 2016 No.3109945
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>>3109917
Dude, Sonic the Fighters was scrapped from console porting because it was deemed too violent for Sonic's image. Contrast with modern Sonic and his sidekicks who literally use guns.

Old Sonic and modern Sonic are two different beings.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:42:25 2016 No.3109946

>>3109832

This is true. All the people I grew up with who only had a Genesis ended up being awesome chad type dude bros that were drowning in pussy and money for a while after highschool and are now settling down to start a family with their wicked trophy wives and 6 figure+ salaries.

>>3109851

I've pinpointed the exact time when Sonic became a magnet for autistic children and it's when SA2 was ported to the GCN.

SNES is a console for window licking neck beards.

It could never handle something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I30Jql-Hl0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:45:49 2016 No.3109953 File: 77 KB, 480x640, 1454681194518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Super Famicom is for normalfags.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:46:50 2016 No.3109954 >>3109924 Genesis does have a forced echo effect, at least the earlier models do, and this was exploited by many composers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:46:53 2016 No.3109956 File: 635 KB, 1280x960, 1454708869896.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109953 PC Engine is for otaku virgins and Mega Drive is for westaboos.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:50:27 2016 No.3109965
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>>3109946
>All the people I grew up with who only had a Genesis ended up being awesome chad type dude bros that were drowning in pussy and money for a while after highschool and are now settling down to start a family with their wicked trophy wives and 6 figure+ salaries."

Those "Genesis Kids" are currently manufacturing meth in a trailer park nowadays. They probably still play Tony LaRussa Baseball 95.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:52:58 2016 No.3109971 >>3109965 god i hate his fucking hair

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:54:26 2016 No.3109976 File: 336 KB, 1000x1393, Neo-Geo-Hotdog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Subhumans, all of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 16:56:06 2016 No.3109983 File: 45 KB, 504x336, leave lebeta to me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109965 Dwayne Wade was a Sega kid, look at how much money and how many whores he has.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 17:03:33 2016 No.3110000 >>3109976 lmao snes btfo

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 17:06:45 2016 No.3110008 File: 240 KB, 603x445, 1350141995944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3109956 >GAME IS LIFE

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 17:14:12 2016 No.3110028 >>3109976 >SNKucks think their fightan fag machine is at all relevant top motherfucking kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 17:20:32 2016 No.3110041 File: 134 KB, 640x320, kof 94.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110028 >Segays and Nintenyearolds wish they had games half as pretty as this

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 18:09:09 2016 No.3110135
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>>3110041
I never had an AES growing up. Fast forward to 5 years ago, I saved up some cash and bought a Big Red 6-Slot MVS. I have now finally become a productive member of society.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 18:15:23 2016 No.3110146
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>>3109983
Vladimir Putin was a Dendy kid, look at how much money he has and how many eastern bloc nations he subjugates.

Literally, Putin is better than Dwayne Wade.
Literally, Nintendo is better than Sega.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 19:10:26 2016 No.3110307 >>3110146 He was raised off a knock off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 19:49:47 2016 No.3110483 Do you guys really care if the Genesis or SNES sounds better? In the end all really matter is if the soundtrack is good or not anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:02:35 2016 No.3110543 >>3110000 Thats comparing it to an NES

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:03:09 2016 No.3110548 >>3110146 >born in the 50's >Dendy wasn't a thing up until the 90's u wot?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:36:03 2016 No.3110636 Say what you want but Genesis guitars sounds nothing like guitars. Snes wins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:39:32 2016 No.3110642 >>3110636 >muh "videogame music has to sound like real music" fallacy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:41:37 2016 No.3110648 File: 156 KB, 1487x656, autismo_sperg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I see Autismo has been here :) Thank you Autismo!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:46:56 2016 No.3110659 >>3110648 Who is this guy and why do you keep posting him?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:47:08 2016 No.3110660 File: 148 KB, 226x300, 357375.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:50:57 2016 No.3110669 >>3110659 He's trying to make himself a meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:52:33 2016 No.3110671 >>3110642 Nah, it doesn't have to sound like real instruments m8, I'm just saying that snes guitars sounds better to me. I do enjoy some Genesis soundtracks and arrangements too.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:53:40 2016 No.3110675
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>>3110659
He's /vr/s official mascot, named Autismo. An autist (but he claims aspergers) that spams all the Genesis shit posts in every single 16-bit thread. See above thread and see pic related for some more chuckles. You'll be able to recognize him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 20:55:38 2016 No.3110681 >>3110675 Hey, that penultimate post is mine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:00:47 2016 No.3110696 File: 8 KB, 261x193, db.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110681 >penultimate >poptimist it checks out

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:03:45 2016 No.3110703 >>3110675 >/vr/s official mascot His autism doesn't even come close to Australia-kun's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:03:56 2016 No.3110704 >>3110696 What? Those are real words, google them. Your posts start make less and less sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:04:38 2016 No.3110707 Are you sure that Follin sequenced that (as opposed to another composer "porting" his SNES work)? I thought his only Genesis soundtrack was Time Trax.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:06:10 2016 No.3110712 >>3110675 >>3110659 Autismo is the Mothdan of /vr/, and you are the Rotatedev of /vr/.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:11:02 2016 No.3110720

>>3110703
The SNES shitposter has already beaten australia-kun.

http://desustorage.org/vr/search/image/FVPDil5lKv9SPSc4xfltuw/
http://desustorage.org/vr/search/image/9RdOHAxZSCFUdahRDu-3xQ/
http://desustorage.org/vr/search/image/rTF5o9MmuxnCXlddc_iO6Q/
http://desustorage.org/vr/search/image/EbZZins2IhVb1O6Mtyhipg/
http://desustorage.org/vr/search/image/wQYwFlJpOn20deVQy37buw/
http://desustorage.org/vr/search/text/eipzunVGIm0/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:18:48 2016 No.3110738 When samplers and romplers became popular, musicians didn't barge into studios around the world to burn DX-7s and CZ101s. It's pointless arguing over which sound chip is better because neither completely outclass the other.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:24:26 2016 No.3110757 >>3110720 http://desustorage.org/vr/thread/3059626/#3073568 >he's been at it since at least mid march Holy fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:24:42 2016 No.3110760 File: 13 KB, 225x224, dumb_hulk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110704 >Your posts start make less and less sense

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:35:08 2016 No.3110784

This is an apples to oranges debate. Also, in theory, Nintendo could have stuck a yamaha fm chip in a game to achieve a similar sound. The fami disc system had an fm channel as well.

Its kind of hard to explain it to non synth nerds but consider the sega genesis a synthesizer and a snes a sampler. Its a matter of context and taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:37:45 2016 No.3110791 >>3110707 He did Spiderman, Time Trax and Batman according to his website.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:39:01 2016 No.3110793

>>3108827
>The fact is that the SNES can play any of the music that the Genesis can play, but the Genesis can't play everything the SNES could play

Friendly reminder that SNES failed miserably every time it tried to do FM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_WC34oH1AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CGHFVz6YJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wck86gASVE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0kH4LP_7QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YbBOZNtRpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW-HEOihIeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPpI7Md34Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PTvYD_CXDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycqAILuwo6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPG2ITtcYDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvmTmwRrZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nBMS8-nqWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLiohgZhHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vfuEEleVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGPmiCztiTY

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:44:45 2016 No.3110804

>>3110784
Yes, but a sampler can easily directly sample any synth tune (or sound for that matter) that ever existed.

A synth has great difficulty replicating non-synthy sounds. That's why 90% of Genesis voice samples, attempts at guitars and real instruments etc. were garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:50:33 2016 No.3110816 >>3110751 >>3110797

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:56:03 2016 No.3110829 >>3108708 Daily reminder this stupid fuck derailed a thread on Genesis sound, that had nothing to do with the Super Nintendo, by posting the same exact shit in another thread.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 21:56:40 2016 No.3110831
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>>3108827
>The fact is that the SNES can play any of the music that the Genesis can play, but the Genesis can't play everything the SNES could play (in terms of sound, obviously). Regardless of what you prefer, the SNES was a more capable machine. That's it.

>>3110804
>A sampler can easily directly sample any synth tune (or sound for that matter) that ever existed.
>A synth has great difficulty replicating non-synthy sounds. That's why 90% of Genesis voice samples, attempts at guitars and real instruments etc. were garbage.

Actual Aerosmith Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQ6jLe3R8E

SNES Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRIUXzUrCY

Genesis Dude Looks Like A Lady
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7Tq0XgfLI

Actual Aerosmith Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udgSerJSubk

SNES Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipzunVGIm0

Gensis Rag Doll:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7eogs6Tgc

This pretty much settles it, /thread.

(thanks to Autismo for pointing me to the previously posted Aerosmith Revolution X links >>3110720)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 22:09:40 2016 No.3110859 >>3110804 You can sample any synth tune, but you can't do anything with it. Half the appeal of a synth is being able to modify every aspect of the sound in real time.

Anonymous Sat Apr 2 22:39:14 2016 No.3110910

the SNES was excellent for its time. it was capable of crisp, clear, genuine sound, and technical skill could bring it to impressive heights.

the genesis is decent, but it's mired down by its bloopy, farty, tinny, and muddled qualities. it sounds 'rough around the edges' overall.

the genesis is high quality by late 80s computer game standards. the SNES is high quality by radical 90s standards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 22:48:13 2016 No.3110931 >>3110910 >historical revisionism: the post

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 23:25:59 2016 No.3111000 >>3110931 But you know he's right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 2 23:56:50 2016 No.3111058 File: 381 KB, 883x835, 1459583514962.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110831 geniggers BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:02:24 2016 No.3111072 >>3110831 I actually like the Genesis version of Rag Doll. It reminds me of the sounds my gut makes before I have diarrhea .

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:47:11 2016 No.3111149 Now that the dust has settled, we all can agree that SNES has a superior chip and that Genesis just doesn't cut it for anything other than dance/electronic styled music?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:51:22 2016 No.3111158 Now that the dust has settled, we all can agree that Genesis has a superior chip and that SNES just doesn't cut it for anything other than orchestra/muffled sample styled music?

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:51:51 2016 No.3111161

>>3110720

I'm too lazy/don't care enough to search on the archives, but I'm sure Australia-kun has made way more shitposts. So this guy has been posting since march? Australia has been at it since at least 6 months ago, probably more.

And he also does non-stop shitposting marathons entire weekends from friday to sunday.

Anyway, this autismo or whatever he's called is persistent, but he's an amateur compared to our australia-kun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:53:11 2016 No.3111165 >>3111149 >>3111158 now that the dust has settles, we all can agree that both systems excel at their own respective genres, and both systems failed to produce music that was even remotely enjoyable on 90% of their respective games?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 00:54:39 2016 No.3111169 >>3111158 SNES is a lot more varied than that though

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:03:09 2016 No.3111190 Yoshi island looks better than every single Genesis game. Sega CD games sound better than every single SNES game and 32X games tend to look on par or even better than most SNES I guess we have an obvious winner of the superior console contest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:12:28 2016 No.3111224 >>3111190 This, i'm sorry for SNES fans that didn't get to experience Sega CD+32X

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:20:41 2016 No.3111245 >>3111149 Pretty much. And even that is being a bit kind to the Genesis. But let's leave it at that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:20:57 2016 No.3111246 all this genesis shitposter has done is make snes fans look like manbabies throwing an immature tantrum with fallacies everywhere i seriously hope he was trying to reverse troll

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:30:53 2016 No.3111276 >>3108963 That's a damn fine song, but we're not discussing CD sound here; only what's on the system proper.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:34:43 2016 No.3111286 Stupor Nintendo will NEVER EVER have music this good on its system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7VTw1E3b4

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:39:20 2016 No.3111297 >>3111292 >max simultaneous sprites: 128 >however, game will chug at 2fps

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Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:46:50 2016 No.3111314

>>3111297
But, but, but, but... always so many excuses and diversions (muh CD player, muh 32X).

Head to head, Genesis always got destroyed. That's why this whole thread the sega fanboys have ignored and diverted from the simple to the point original post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:48:42 2016 No.3111320 >>3111190 >Yoshi island looks better than every single Genesis game. So? That was a Super FX chip game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:49:28 2016 No.3111324 Man: Arcades Teen: Genesis Baby: SNES prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:50:34 2016 No.3111328 >>3108942 WTF is actually happening in this video?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:50:53 2016 No.3111331 >>3111324 I think we can all agree on this

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:51:41 2016 No.3111334 >>3109014 The Snatcher soundtrack is fucking incredible

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:52:27 2016 No.3111336 >>3111324 Close, but no cigar. >King: Arcade >Noble: Japanese PC >Knight: DOS PC >Peasant: Genesis >Serf: SNES >Heretic: TurboGrafx-16

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:53:39 2016 No.3111340 >>3111324 Does Neo Geo count as arcade?

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:53:54 2016 No.3111341

>>3108708

>SNES:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Q0s95SRXM

>Genesis:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Vlbk5lgn0

Sounds faithfully like a real band (electric guitar, bass, drums, electric piano) vs typical Genesis whine and squeal ear rape garbage. This isn't even close.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:55:40 2016 No.3111345 >>3111336 switch dos and pc-engine and its perfect

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 01:58:52 2016 No.3111348 >>3111328 he's an audiophile and is having an orgasmic reaction to music

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:00:32 2016 No.3111352 File: 764 KB, 985x554, farting.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110831 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7Tq0XgfLI That track's "bass" reminds me of another sound...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:04:29 2016 No.3111368 >>3111345 this, also specify what Japanese computer, because NEC computers were mostly VN shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:12:10 2016 No.3111386 >>3111341 skitchin' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyzBtP8TQUA

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:13:33 2016 No.3111389 >>3111386 That guitar is out of tune as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:15:05 2016 No.3111391 >>3111368 The Sharp X68000 and FM Towns

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:27:03 2016 No.3111416 >>3111386 has this same bass going on >>3111352

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 02:52:15 2016 No.3111501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxpq_3RRWLA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slmkhewITGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lD3E2w_ows Atmosphere out the yin yang.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:10:02 2016 No.3111668
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Good grief, Genesis gets totally crushed here; check out that SNES guitar.

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tNDkEACSY

SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6O39QJCAhk

Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQd_QJZ94PI

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:18:43 2016 No.3111679 >>3111668 >he thinks western trash matters lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedCATrcsfY

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:37:56 2016 No.3111714 >>3111161 Please explain to me who these two faggots apparently are. I'm intrigued. I've noticed the snes music sperg very recently (since the MK2 thread that's also currently underway) but I have no idea who this apparent Australian shitposter is.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:50:51 2016 No.3111748 [DELETED]

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>>3111714
Autismo is a self admitted Genesis sperg, see attached. He caught heat here and is now delusionaly thinking all SNES fans here are one single boogey man out to get him.

He's been making threads to ban the word "Autismo" becasue it triggers him and his autism. He is also now trying to label SNES fans as Autismo. Autismo is in the thread right now. You may know him. He shows up when his dank Genesis sound is discussed... or in his mind... maligned.

Just like you can call Beatlejuice by saying his name three times, just point out a shortcoming of the Genesis sound hardware and he will magically appear.

I love Autismo.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:53:42 2016 No.3111751

>>3111748
good job screencapping during that disgusting april fools prank, making your cap forever eye cancer

so all those times some moron was calling me autismo for liking genesis soundtrack that's what they were referring to eh?

so you're the snes sperg eh? his sworn enemy? kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:55:40 2016 No.3111752 >>3111751 >they it's only one retard trying to force a meme

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 04:57:07 2016 No.3111756

>>3111714
Here is Australia-kun's magnum opus thread:
http://desustorage.org/vr/thread/2856924

He also hangs out in beat 'em up threads, Amiga threads, color encoder threads, shmup threads, Sega threads, and possibly others. He's a 50-year-old married to a man and has several mental disorders trying to relive his console warring past and kill the evil Nintendo empire. If you ever see posts that are overly hostile and aggressive pushing bad opinions onto others and using Ozzie slang, you can be sure that's probably him. He also really likes Watamote reaction images.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:01:08 2016 No.3111758 >>3111756 at least he's married, kek sounds like a fun guy 2bh

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:01:09 2016 No.3111759

>>3111756
Isn't that Autismo? He was in a fighting thread earlier today. Autismo used to be easy to spot by replying to multiple people at once in a gigantic wall of text (in Genesis/SNES threads typically) but since he started to get shamed he stopped doing that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:02:47 2016 No.3111762 >>3111752 If you think it's just one guy, maybe you should just ignore him? Unless the image/name Autismo particularly triggers you for some reason...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:03:40 2016 No.3111767 So basically we're gonna have SNES-sperg vs Australia-kun battling it out until the end of time (the end of time being until one of them finally dies from diabetes)? This is gonna be fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:05:31 2016 No.3111769 >>3111762 no nigger what triggers me is that shitty threads like these don't get deleted asap

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:06:02 2016 No.3111770 >>3111752 yeah, it seems that way to me, too. Basically the SNES-sperg is trying to force 'Autismo' upon the Australian shitposter. irony

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:09:37 2016 No.3111779 >>3111748 >He is also now trying to label SNES fans as Autismo >>3111767 >So basically we're gonna have SNES-sperg vs Australia-kun Autismo, would that be you? Praise Autismo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:11:09 2016 No.3111781 >>3111779 >Autismo, would that be you? >Praise Autismo. No, but we've obviously identified you now, snes-sperg

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:11:49 2016 No.3111782 File: 8 KB, 320x180, 43664.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Autismo also forgets that there's a poster count that shows when someone is samefaging and replying to themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:17:31 2016 No.3111786 File: 105 KB, 1152x634, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3111781 >sperg Interdasting. Funny how Autismo showed up after someone posted this >>3111668 It's really is like Beatlejuice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:18:27 2016 No.3111787 >>3111786 Thank you, Autismo

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:25:06 2016 No.3111795 >>3111786 >>3111782 >>3111781 >>3111779 /vr/ : /agdg/ Autismo : Mothdan/"danny" The person complaining about Autismo : Rotatedev

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:27:05 2016 No.3111801 For the price of the damn things snes games better sound better than genesis.$500 will buy you a bunch of the iconic ntsc u sega games, that will buy you a dozen usdm games for the snes if you're lucky

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:27:30 2016 No.3111802 >>3111770 i call him the aerosmith shitter, since everytime he makes comparison he cherrypicks western trash like revolution X, just kek.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:30:12 2016 No.3111805 >>3111786 Thank you Autismo!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:33:27 2016 No.3111813 >>3111679 >he thinks western trash matters >>3111802 >western trash Hide your Autism, Autismo. Don't let them see your power level! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xA0ZHEwU2Q

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:35:03 2016 No.3111816 >>3111813 wow this parrot is easy to trigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:42:12 2016 No.3111823 File: 43 KB, 1280x720, 64336635.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3111816 Nah, just enjoying pointing out your samefagging and Autsimo-ing. You've made this place way more fun. Shit's been boring for a while.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:44:36 2016 No.3111825 >>3111823 i'm not the one who is costantly making shitposting threads 24/7 though, consider suicide bro

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:54:00 2016 No.3111838
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>>3111825
I haven't made any threads, but you came in and immediately shitted this one up starting here >>3111679

Take a breath. Relax. Don't let the Autismo-ing take over your life. You can't win every battle!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 05:56:06 2016 No.3111840 >>3111838 whatever you say pham, but realy, consider suicide if you are feeling this alone

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 06:01:41 2016 No.3111848 File: 50 KB, 720x576, 3435745.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >autismo be like

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 06:40:42 2016 No.3111895 File: 15 KB, 361x351, 1269.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think /vr/ is worse than /v/ at this point. At least /v/ has self awareness and knows it's being ironically retarded. /vr/ is devoid of that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:22:30 2016 No.3111930 File: 2.62 MB, 413x233, wew.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5c2wU_oMFo

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:24:41 2016 No.3111935 >>3108752 You think the end user gives a shit? It's about the end result and how objectively good it sounds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:27:43 2016 No.3111940 >>3108873 >just because some idiotic segment of the public happen to find "music" like that listenable (because of all the drugs they take) that means the Genesis is better at sound.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:37:43 2016 No.3111956 >>3111930 >still sounds like muffled impotent farts nah

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:41:29 2016 No.3111968 >>3108837 maybe the genesis is good at certain niches. but even assuming that, which would you rather have: a sound system that's good 10% of the time and mediocre 90%, or the other way around?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:45:55 2016 No.3111982 >>3111968 Genesis: Good 10% of the time, mediocre 20%, shit 70% SNES: Mediocre 50%, shit 50% Because I only care about good music, Genesis is better.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 07:58:54 2016 No.3112002

>>3111982
SNES is more like
amazing 10%, good 80%, lacking 10%.

it might have a few limitations, but overall it's highly capable, has a broad range, and boasts many classic OSTs.

it's more important to be well-rounded than to be competent in a narrow range.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:02:40 2016 No.3112008 >>3112002 Even Plok! is only mediocre. 64K of sample memory just isn't enough. SNES audio shows the typical Nintendo attitude of cost-cutting on hardware and then pretending there's no problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:08:40 2016 No.3112018 >>3111758 Hey australia. You're "married", sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:13:14 2016 No.3112030 >>3112008 Sorta like only being to display 64 colors and using 8-bit era sound?

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:32:08 2016 No.3112052

>>3112030
>64 colors
192 with shadow/highlight effects, and even more with mid-frame palette changes.

>8-bit era sound
That's an bonus feature, in addition to the 4 operator FM (which is plenty if you're any good at FM programming. Lots of famous DX7 patches only used 4 operators.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:35:55 2016 No.3112054 File: 6 KB, 275x183, mfwainm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112052 >192 complete and utter bullshit >and still 1/3 of the SNES

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:40:50 2016 No.3112063 genesis has some pretty cool chiptunes. Snes doesn't sound like a game, it sounds like an am radio . snes might have better game sound but the genesis is capable of making cooler sounds

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 08:53:55 2016 No.3112076

>>3112063
a home console that sounded like a radio with real music and voices etc. was mind blowing in 1990. that's why as a collectible snes consoles and games run you 3x their sega counterparts now.

i see people talking about techno as i scan this thread, the genesis never touched this. it sounds like something you'd stream off pandora in 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHy6vEbh464

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:28:05 2016 No.3112109 [DELETED]

>>3110831
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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:41:16 2016 No.3112127 The best way to compare the Genesis and SNES is to compare the Earthworm Jim games.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:43:39 2016 No.3112129

Obviously the SNES is technically superior hardware wise and I prefer the SNES sound over the genesis.

Does not mean I do not like the genesis sound though it can be great when done correctly see any sonic game. That crunchy almost metallic sound is awesome and it works better for some games Earthworm Jim seems to get a lot of mention. Kid Chameleon for example is one of my favorite soundtracks and it just would not have sounded right on SNES without the crunchy genesis guitars.

TL;DR SNES is superior but both systems have their own share of awesome soundtracks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:45:35 2016 No.3112132 Can SNES do this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w54uNAuqE1Y

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:46:43 2016 No.3112135 >>3112076 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHy6vEbh464 nigger that's not techno also those snares and hi-hats are low-q as fuck

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:48:20 2016 No.3112136

>>3112127
>the almost lone exception to the rule because it was a rushed SNES port of a Genesis original

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:55:43 2016 No.3112145 >>3112127 There's also Maui Mallard. The SNES version has brighter and more detailed graphics but the Genesis version offers tighter controls.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:56:04 2016 No.3112146 >>3112136 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg9mlMnQAVM

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 09:58:56 2016 No.3112150 >>3112146 You're one of my kind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 10:03:26 2016 No.3112156 >>3112150 There's something about me that makes you sweat. And you just had to let me know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 10:27:06 2016 No.3112174 File: 1.23 MB, 340x191, btfo.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110831

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 10:33:51 2016 No.3112182 >>3108708 The SNES version sound like it got a serious case of asthma, out of breath and might just die soon

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 10:52:25 2016 No.3112212
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>>3112182
You're cute.

>Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7tNDkEACSY

>SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6O39QJCAhk

>Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQd_QJZ94PI

Why did the Genesis suck so bad?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 10:53:49 2016 No.3112214 >>3109736 >Genesis didn't have F-Zero. Well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZw6bHVAGw I do know this thread is about sound capabilities

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:00:05 2016 No.3112223 >>3112214 looks and sounds like shit to be quite honest, famalam...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:03:59 2016 No.3112232 >>3112223 It has no music and I don't think we'll get it.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:17:29 2016 No.3112254
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SNES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9EU2X3YWE

NES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLXcCe7GgA

>yfw the SNES sounds objectively worse than a fucking 30+ year old 8-bit console

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:24:44 2016 No.3112263 >>3112254 There's something a bit Gerudo Valley about this tune. It was on the NES one I noticed it. Especially at 30 sec.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:28:26 2016 No.3112267
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>>3112254
>MFW he gets BTFO so hard here >>3112212 that he has to bring in some nonsensical NES strawman comparison

Thanks for the laughs, famalam :) We already knew the NES was on par with the Genesis

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:32:25 2016 No.3112274 File: 45 KB, 622x562, 1367762530009.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112267 >NES was on par with the Genesis >SNES is worse than the NES >SNES <<< NES = Genesis You heard it here first, nintenyearolds officially BTFO.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:39:20 2016 No.3112282 File: 107 KB, 790x768, 1424327368534.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112267 >>3112274 >nintendiot inadvertently reks himself i love it

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:41:01 2016 No.3112284
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>>3112274
Too bad your console isn't as good as your bantz and reaction images, famalam :)

Genesis: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2gen.mp3

SNES: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2snes.mp3

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:44:57 2016 No.3112289 File: 7 KB, 355x397, 1310419656875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh shit the snes sperg is here too Hey dude you never told me how old you were

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:47:50 2016 No.3112291 >>3111328 The guy usually wires shit to electrical sources. He has lots of videos where he intentionally zaps himself. In the webm he's getting some electrical shocks from his headphones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:50:09 2016 No.3112295 File: 2.89 MB, 500x400, damagecontrol.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112274 >>3112282 >>3112289 >replying to self >doing damage control after BTFO self >admiting the genesis is 3rd behind the SNES and NES >crying shaking my damn head

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:52:02 2016 No.3112301 File: 57 KB, 426x240, Screen shot 2016-04-03 at 8.51.39 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112295 jesus dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 11:54:50 2016 No.3112306 >>3108796 Man I fuckin love PLOK

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 12:08:46 2016 No.3112316
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>>3112284
>actually bringing up Street Fighter

Genesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bgVdPj3og

Little Timmy's Casio keyboard SNES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFYK8sL5BHI

>muffled trumpets, muffled trumpets everywhere

>mfw

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 12:48:07 2016 No.3112369 File: 913 KB, 250x188, 1393390829632.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >cartridge-based consoles >good music

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 12:53:52 2016 No.3112382 >>3112316 They're in different keys too. The Snes is lower.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 12:54:19 2016 No.3112383 >>3112369 3DO pls go and stay go

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 12:58:56 2016 No.3112387
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YM2612 = A synthesizer
+ You control the instrument directly
- Less flexible

SNES A-DSP = A sample player
+ More flexible
- More "muddy"

That's it. They both have strengths and weaknesses

The YM2616 is essentially an instrument. You can make some really rad tunes with it. However it has a distinctive sound that limits the variety of music and sound effects it can play effectively (that's why all explosions on the Genesis sound like farts; it wasn't really meant to make those sounds).

The A-DSP was a sample player. You gave it PCM waveforms and it played them. This made it easy to get the sound of any orchestral instrument into your game with little effort. The major downside is that the audio is effectively only 3-bit (even though the data is 4-bit), and combined with the Gaussian filter, results in muffled or muddy sound compared to the Genesis.

You guys and your autism tho. You'd rather have only one thing rather than two things. Variety is the spice of life. Faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 13:02:09 2016 No.3112392 SNES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwCbHK1qggg vs GENESIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjN0yzBsSU >The Choice Is Yours, America

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 13:16:44 2016 No.3112421

This debate will never be settled. Both system has great games and it's up to someone to decide which one is better. The bottom line is that both Systems have their pros and cons. The Super Nintendo has the better more modern hardware while the Mega Drive has more arcade like hardware and expansions in the form of the Sega CD and 32x.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 13:44:25 2016 No.3112452 >>3112382 And Genesis is higher, both are wrong compared to the arcade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9fhrU7YYcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLyVmgXEiac

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 13:57:43 2016 No.3112471 File: 14 KB, 320x224, 2594689-outrun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This and that MK thread don't have shit on the legendary OutRun port autism thread. Step up your game. >>/vr/thread/2400559

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:20:55 2016 No.3112520 File: 88 KB, 702x397, 1415651334397-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112471 oh god I remember that one

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:26:51 2016 No.3112536 >>3112232 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCG6QjvTpm8 Think again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:29:30 2016 No.3112545 Australia is back >>3112530 And he's at it again with the whole Amiga Castlevania thing, the absolute mad old man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:31:39 2016 No.3112551 >>3112471 Don Rumata was one of the nicest namefags ever, whatever happened to him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:36:00 2016 No.3112567 >>3112551 Still here, I dropped it and use a different name when posting /jpc/ threads.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 14:57:48 2016 No.3112625

>>3112076
I agree the Snes has better game sound, I have been playing both it and Gen back to back. However it doesn't make good enough bleep-bleep-blop to make decent chiptune. I wasn't talking about vg soundtracks. People use the nes and gen to make music in 2016, the snes not so much.

I wouldnt listen to that and I unironically like chiptune. bossfight is pretty goat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 15:13:56 2016 No.3112653 File: 18 KB, 300x240, dundee-s-l300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3112545 Australia was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 15:28:05 2016 No.3112680 >>3112452 Arcade: Fm MD: F#m SNES: Fm It's settled: Sega can't even be in the right key!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 15:32:06 2016 No.3112690 Remember when /vr/ wasn't filled with attention seeking /v/tards? >>/vr/thread/S1329145

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 15:47:38 2016 No.3112712 >>3112680 >SNES >hits the right right key >STILL sounds worse wew lad

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 15:53:38 2016 No.3112729 >>3112712 I don't think there's anything wrong with the SNES version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 16:19:14 2016 No.3112774 >>3112729 Ebin troles aside, it's a fine rendition, but to me, the Genesis version sounds cleaner and punchier, for lack of a better word. And I still think it's closer to the arcade original, tempo-wise.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 19:57:00 2016 No.3113281

>>3112008
you're denying SNES excellence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzC0MEDHcv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zIaaU5i_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-8GFcuvwA

could you put any of this on a Genesis? not without it sounding gutted and distorted.

like I said, genesis sound is like 80s computer games.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:39:17 2016 No.3113405

The SNES has technical superiority, but that means nothing in terms of what comes out of it.

The Genesis is good at producing fast-paced techno and incredibly harsh pseudo-rock, but is obviously digital. Which suits well its library's emphasis on action and arcade games.

The SNES can produce orchestral sounds and ambiance well, but sounds weak and muffled when trying to do something edgier. It compliments the large library of RPGs and strategy games.

The TurboGrafx-16 has some of the weakest sound out of any console I've heard. It always sounds so empty and pitiful which is a sharp contrast to the speed and color it produces.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:44:35 2016 No.3113414 >>3113281 I would pay to hear a Genesis cover of Stickerbrush Symphony.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:46:27 2016 No.3113418 >>3108708 Yeah, Sega is better, what's your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:48:27 2016 No.3113423 >>3113414 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezH1j3V5nBI That'll be $20, I take checks, cash, debt, credit, and Bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:49:07 2016 No.3113425 >>3113414 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezH1j3V5nBI

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 20:51:44 2016 No.3113429 >>3113423 >>3113425 That's a soundfont cover, not a properly synthesized cover.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:00:19 2016 No.3113440 >unironically hating FM synth Since when did /vr/ become so pleb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEUC8oaMsjY

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:00:25 2016 No.3113441 >>3113281 >muh excess of reverb to hide the lack of soul + fake 44khz everytime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYr7VP_owTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cPSVJ7tUKU

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:02:51 2016 No.3113450 >>3113423 >>3113429 Weep your tears https://ucollective.org/audio/Raijin/donkey+kong+country+2-stickerbrush+symphony+genesis+cover/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:04:51 2016 No.3113457 >>3113450 Pretty decent, although Raijin is a lot better at FM now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:05:09 2016 No.3113459 >>3113441 >Literal who? game that sounds like shit >Streets of Rage is a shit game that sounds like shit Why do Segays always bring up Shits of Rage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:06:22 2016 No.3113468 >>3113457 https://ucollective.org/audio/Raijin/full+throttle/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:06:59 2016 No.3113469 >>3113459 Said the faggot that brought shitty wanker JRPG + generic platformer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:10:57 2016 No.3113475 >>3113440 It's just a handful of guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKDvjVzpNQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:11:16 2016 No.3113480 >>3113459 Maybe because it has good music?

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:12:17 2016 No.3113483 [DELETED]

>>3113441

as I was saying the last time I was in this thread, there are times when the Genesis sounds good. but its range of competence is natural, once it steps outside that range, it falls flat with bloopy farts.

>>3113469
that wasn't me, but calling yoshi's island, dkc2, and chrono trigger shitty? that is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:14:07 2016 No.3113486 >>3113440 Nobody's arguing against FM synth, the point of the thread is whether it's in the same league the SNES's PCM synth.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:14:17 2016 No.3113490

>>3113441
as I was saying the last time I was in this thread, there are times when the Genesis sounds good. but its range of competence is narrow, once it steps outside that range, it falls flat with bloopy farts. the SNES on the other hand might have a few limitations but it's always respectable.

>>3113469
that wasn't me, but calling yoshi's island, dkc2, and chrono trigger shitty? that is ridiculous.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:18:59 2016 No.3113503

>>3113475
>>3113469
"Said the faggot that brought shitty wanker JRPG + generic platformer."

Said the faggot who thought he was buying Final Fight and and bought a game that's like a shitty homebrew Amiga conversion for the Genesis, 3,000 sports games that suck, and Sonic the ShitHog 1-4.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:20:01 2016 No.3113508

>yfw SFC can't into bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aPzo2AJZYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81U6svRLbdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovgXvN2DQII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSWgozOww-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wrrf9fOxTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jda2-p1j_8k

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:20:34 2016 No.3113513 >>3113459 Because it has songs that sound better than anything on the SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LC4exY8lSM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySwEktYEIs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcY8fZiayRg

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:20:55 2016 No.3113515 >>3113503 Why do people pretend that there aren't just as many sports games for SNES? Every SNES game lot I see for sale is polluted with sports games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:21:18 2016 No.3113516 >>3113503 lol this nigga mad, also the only good Final Fight is the arcade nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:25:30 2016 No.3113531 >>3113486 SNES used wavetable synth, not PCM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:28:19 2016 No.3113535 >>3113531 Pretty sure wavetable synth is where a short programmable wave pattern is looped at the frequency of the note played, e.g. the Game Boy's custom wave channel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:29:51 2016 No.3113540 SNES was only good for staccato music, like what you'd find in Kirby games. Genesis on the other hand was better at everything else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:32:21 2016 No.3113545 >>3113540 Nice b8 Speaking of staccato music, the NES and Game Boy were fucking beasts at it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:33:02 2016 No.3113546 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDAYg-8iSM Could the Genesis handle a song like this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:34:37 2016 No.3113549 >>3113469 Maybe if he had a genesis, then he really would be able to buy a shitty wanker JRPG like Shining Force, plus a generic platformer like Sonic The Hedgehog. If he wanted quality games for both categories, he should definitely get a SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:36:13 2016 No.3113554 >SNES >3.58mhz slow mo in every game no thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:36:42 2016 No.3113556 Why are Genesis and SNES the only two consoles of that generation that people ever compare? Why not add the PC-Engine and Neo Geo to the mix?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:37:55 2016 No.3113558 >>3113556 Because kids didn't have those when they were growing up. It was either SNES or Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:38:44 2016 No.3113562 >>3113508 >Genesis has to use an aftermarket add-on to even produce decent sound.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:38:47 2016 No.3113563
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>>3113540
>Genesis on the other hand was better at everything else
>Genesis fans ACTUALLY believe this
Your console's beep sounds were good for nothing, except in rare cases when they worked really hard to produce something decent on that piece of shit.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:40:13 2016 No.3113567

>>3113549
At least Shining Force 2 has some decent gameplay and challenge, unlike that scripted interactive anime garbage that is chrono nigger
DKC and Yoshi Island is just as baby garbage as Sonic, platformers for little kids or retards that can't handle real platformers like GnG or Shinobi.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:42:06 2016 No.3113569 >>3113558 Okay? None of us are kids anymore. We can make adult comparisons now about things we couldn't as kids. By the way, I actually did have a TG-16 in addition to both Genesis and SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:44:02 2016 No.3113571 >>3113567 You mean Sega's Fire Emblem ripoff?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:44:04 2016 No.3113572 >>3113562 >bitch got so impressed that he thinks it's redbook music lol it's FM retard, way to admit the SNES sounds like shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:44:20 2016 No.3113573 >>3113569 You really don't understand and must be like 20 years old at most.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:46:45 2016 No.3113579 >>3113567 Shinobi sucks. Ghouls is the worst in the series besides the PSP remake of GnG.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:48:38 2016 No.3113581 >>3113546 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC9vGQ-DHjY KUMA

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:49:36 2016 No.3113582 >>3113571 >implying FE was original and not a ripoff of computer RPGs >implying you had the chance to play FE in your console in the 90s snes plebs, everyone

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:52:39 2016 No.3113591

>>3113563
>except in rare cases when they worked really hard to produce something decent on that piece of shit.

Reminder that Earthworm Jim's composer enjoyed and preferred making music on the Genesis sound chip.

>The first game I worked on was Muhammad Ali’s Boxing; that was my first experience with the Genesis sound chip and six-voice FM sound. The SNES had an eight-channel chip and all sample channels, so we would work on the Genesis and convert over to the Nintendo machine. We all liked working on the Genesis better even though we knew the SNES had better capabilities. Sega were more open to developers so the Genesis was much easier to get around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:52:43 2016 No.3113592 >>3113573 28, but nice try. Here, let's compare a game that was on Genesis/MD and PCE/TG-16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHCCoNyNFtY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxKekYvxcU

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:53:39 2016 No.3113595 >>3113579 >Ghouls >worst The fuck am I reading. Super GnG is the worst in the series, easily.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:55:55 2016 No.3113598 >>3113579 shit tastes fampai, SGnG is the worst in the series, worst level design, slow as shit and plagued with slowdowns

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 21:59:34 2016 No.3113603 >>3113591 >even though we knew the SNES had better capabilities. LOL U JUST PROVED THAT SNES IS SUPERIOR

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:02:24 2016 No.3113608 >>3113572 >nigger goes straight to Redbook Cock sucker, Popful Mail uses both soundchips from the Genesis and Sega Cd. It couldn't handle persussion without the the extra chip. Have fun playing your shit Sega CD games though.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:06:31 2016 No.3113615
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Let's compare.

Neo Geo:
>dat crisp snk guitar, cool synths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL1XqCtj1Xk
Sega:
>guitar sounds like bells, melodies and synths are decent
>somehow still sounds like sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yPVQP1K6WM
Super:
>guitar sounds like electric organ, melodies are ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiRu0cr4MUM

Wich one you prefer? I only played the arcade version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:06:39 2016 No.3113617 Genesis' sound chip was so good, it was even better than CD-quality music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk72RMv9d0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjS7NDtowFs

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:07:15 2016 No.3113618 >>3113608 >implying the genesis can't do good drums you are grasping at straws faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:09:31 2016 No.3113623 Can you guys do us all a favor and type "sage" in the options field when you post? It dogmarks the comments in this thread as sagacious and high quality, and thus it has a higher chance of being archived.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:18:32 2016 No.3113639 There is a reason why Michael Jackson chose to compose music for Genesis, not SNES.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:36:52 2016 No.3113678

>>3113615

this goes back to what I was saying. genesis does well at techno/rock arcade style music, but it can't do anything outside that niche without it turning into droning, blooping farts. while the SNES version does sound a bit soft and flat here, it's still listenable. so even when the SNES is out of its element, it sounds decent.

all of this is consistent with my point that the genesis is only good in a narrow range, while the SNES is well rounded with a wide range of competence, AND it can rise to impressive heights.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:39:49 2016 No.3113691 >>3113678 At least Genesis is good at something. SNES sounds muffled and shitty all around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:52:05 2016 No.3113713 >>3113615 Both ports could have sounded better in the right hands. They both sound ok i guess, nowhere near as bad as Fatal Fury 1 on the SNES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEZPddhaoSU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lekfXNJ6z0c

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:56:05 2016 No.3113719

>>3113691
except that it doesn't, and there are countless OSTs to prove that statement wrong.

you genesisfags are the same as you were back in the day. "yo man sega genesis is so much better, we've got so many action and sports games. nintendo sucks bro, RPGs are so gay"
it's the exact same thing, years later.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 22:59:44 2016 No.3113725

>>3113719
>sports games
This meme again. SNES had just as many.

>RPGs
Not many people actually played (or really, knew about) the SNES RPGs back in those days. They played Mario, Zelda, Starfox, etc. Those were the games SNES was really known for. Nobody paid attention to the RPGs until much later.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:09:11 2016 No.3113738

>>3113725
the SNES has sports games for sure, I played Madden 96 back then. but I'm pretty sure the Genesis was more focused on that genre.

I think you're downplaying RPGs although that's generally true.

I was paraphrasing the kind of arguments I'd hear about this long ago, and I was making the point that alot of genesisfags are just as ridiculous and biased now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:14:12 2016 No.3113743 How about instead of making the same identical incite shitposting "x is better than x" over and over. Why dont you make a positive thread called "post good snes music you like" or "genesis music"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:15:14 2016 No.3113746 >>3113639 Because it had Sonic on it? MJ ended up hating the Genesis sound card, btw.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:16:52 2016 No.3113750 >>3113743 /vr/ is too slow for posters with ADD, so they need something that attracts high quantities of shitposting to stay entertained.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:18:19 2016 No.3113751 >>3113738 No, Genesis wasn't "more focused" on sports games. It's just that the sports games were usually better on Genesis because EA (the main sports game developer) were better at programming for it. Most EA games in general were better on Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:23:19 2016 No.3113758 >>3113751 that may be true. I don't want to derail the thread so I won't argue over their respective libraries.

Anonymous Sun Apr 3 23:28:14 2016 No.3113768
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>>3113459
Because it gets nintenyearolds immediately buttblasted, guaranteed.

Enjoy your half-assed ports of Capcpom beat'em ups with 2.5 enemies per screen and hilarious amounts of slowdown, kid.

nothin personnel

Anonymous Mon Apr 4 02:59:36 2016 No.3114074 [SPOILER]

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>This thread again

I love arguing about subjective opinions as if they're objective facts! All canvases will have beautiful art on them, because the possibilities allowed to you are so varied that it's impossible to not make anything but masterpieces!

That's you. That's how dumb you all sound.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 07:04:57 2016 No.3114326 >>3108708 >>3113678 >>3109637 >>3110910 >>3111352 >>3112387 >>3113490 What is it with SNES fans and their fixation with fart comparisons?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:33:53 2016 No.3114428 File: 2.69 MB, 1153x3265, Cool argument buddy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3110681 My comment got screencapped? I'm so incredibly surprised!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:46:01 2016 No.3114438 File: 54 KB, 508x512, 139691181993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3114428 This a whole new level of sad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 08:48:27 2016 No.3114440 File: 172 KB, 305x341, does it for free.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3114438 Indeed it is! Here, have a not-shitty version of that picture!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 14:11:22 2016 No.3114965 >>3112291 why does he do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:12:54 2016 No.3115304 >>3113598 thats super nintendo fans for you, throw some glitter on a turd and they are instantly impressed. They dont care how well it actually handles they just want it to be flashy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:16:20 2016 No.3115316 >>3113768 >>3114074 Genesis is for faggots. Ghouls sucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 17:33:24 2016 No.3115345 >>3115316 SNES is for faggots. Mario sucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 19:54:19 2016 No.3115614 >>3115316 Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:15:17 2016 No.3115741 >>3114326 This is probably the most wet farty game ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ3EkuJnQSs

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:22:32 2016 No.3115753 >>3109621 Plok would disagree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-Gyq1zsIg

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:38:06 2016 No.3115775 >>3115753 plok is gay

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:52:35 2016 No.3115797 >>3115775 I second this. It's even worse that we have some autist who won't shutup about it on these boards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 21:54:52 2016 No.3115804 Forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question as I'm not all that educated on how these things work, but is it possible to use Genesis sounds as samples for the SNES to use? Has anyone tried doing this before?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 22:03:39 2016 No.3115823 >>3115804 Ports of arcades and the such will give you an idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTnJOsbPvLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLKgkgdnMSw Sometimes they do a decent job with it, although not as clean or authentic as the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 22:15:37 2016 No.3115842 >>3111756 I remember that thread, it's pretty fun how the guy is still at it in every CV thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 22:32:56 2016 No.3115860 File: 89 KB, 1300x957, relaxed-young-woman-disbelief-laughing-happy-51153769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3114440 >png

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 22:39:00 2016 No.3115874 File: 15 KB, 176x186, 1455141862055.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3115741 The soundtrack becomes hot shrapnel at the 0:40s mark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:02:33 2016 No.3115940 This comparison vid I made should sum this up. http://youtu.be/tFJRUigWDMY

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 4 23:40:26 2016 No.3116017 >>3115345 Genesis is still for faggots. Every Genesis game sucked more than Mario.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 09:54:56 2016 No.3116958 apples and oranges

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:36:34 2016 No.3117005

Segafags' final redoubt is always SoR2.

Newsflash

Yuzo Koshiro also composed for the SNES:
https://youtu.be/ivt4F-e7zEw
https://youtu.be/ZIydBpJ8zUg
https://youtu.be/abMRA0efd6k

Also, if you think the SNES can't do bass (protip, turn up the bass),
https://youtu.be/rvlU7zfNSeM

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:38:51 2016 No.3117010 Here's yet another awesome SNES track that could never be done on Genesis: https://youtu.be/UrigcA6oLaA

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:40:39 2016 No.3117014 SNES techno is real: https://youtu.be/wkYw1iQ0SEU

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:43:46 2016 No.3117016 Oh yeah, and Michael Cretu called, he wants his SoR2 title theme back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GovAezrWbqw

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:50:14 2016 No.3117026

>>3117005
>Super adventure island
>doesn't even post Actraiser.

FAAAAAAAAAGGGGGOOTTTT

Nothing even comes close to touching the revenge of shinobi soundtrack from any video game ost anyway. Genesis is the only system with revenge of shinobi so I guess it wins.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 10:51:15 2016 No.3117029 >>3117005 >>3117010 >>3117014 >>3117016 the autism is real

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 11:01:02 2016 No.3117048 >>3117026 Hmmm... Revenge of Shinobi is good.... I'll listen to this while I contemplate a response, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxOZojaj4n0 .

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 11:12:56 2016 No.3117062 Revenge of Shinobi's soundtrack is good... I was thinking of something that had some nice fast tempo like RoS. I came up with this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9YWYqMmQ04 .

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 11:25:56 2016 No.3117079 >>3117014 No, that is not techno. It's not even house. By techno we do not mean "anything with a prominent 4/4 beat", we mean a specific genre of dance music. Eg: https://soundcloud.com/erraticnyc This is only found on the Genesis.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 11:48:20 2016 No.3117112

>>3117079
Who cares when SNES has 2Unlimited ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQFDQh3Phw . But you're just getting at a particular genre... I admit it's hard to find pure Detroit style techno on the SNES... that doesn't mean it isn't out there though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 12:06:01 2016 No.3117146 >>3108708 Calm down people, here we have an objetive an unbiased comparative between both systems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybTlARRFd4Y

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 12:12:22 2016 No.3117164
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Might as well ask here.

I know that emulation has its fair share of problems with the Genesis sound, and as such causes a lot of music to sound a lot more arse than it should. Is there an emulator out there that actually accurately emulates Genesis sound? You'd think that at least one would have managed to do so at this point.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 12:32:34 2016 No.3117202

>>3117016
It's a well-known fact that many of the tracks in SoR 1 & 2 were based after actual dance tracks, e.g.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PthnTuzKU3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfSz06Qtco

SoR 3 had a more unique soundtrack in this regard, but also more experimental, and because of the latter it's reception was mixed upon release and nowadays it isn't as widely regarded as the SoR 1 & 2 soundtracks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 12:36:30 2016 No.3117208 >>3117164 I think Kega Fusion is the closest, but it's still not perfect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 13:00:40 2016 No.3117252 >>3117202 >nowadays it isn't as widely regarded as the SoR 1 & 2 soundtracks SoR3 was ahead of its time. Many tracks still sound modern today. It's far better than the prequels.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 13:32:26 2016 No.3117318

>>3117164
There's no 100% accurate implementation, or maybe there's a VST that comes close but not a full fledged emulator.

Kega Fusion is definitely your best option for games though, down to the low pass filtering the earlier units have, and pretty damn spot on 32X PWM mixing. Remember to enable "HQ Sound" in the settings.

Still, I don't think it can do the After Burner machine gun yet.

Anonymous Tue Apr 5 13:44:53 2016 No.3117341

>>3108708
Before I started using /vr/ I thought it was just general knowledge that the Snes had a better sound chip, I've never seen any retro group outside of this board argue in favor of the genesis.

Most genesis games sound like ass, a few games definitely used the chip to its full advantage but mostly it was pretty crappy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:16:11 2016 No.3117903 >>3117252 go back to your fucking favela you retarded brazilian shitposter

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 5 18:22:34 2016 No.3117918 >>3117341 >Before I started using /vr/ did you use exclusively youtube and watchmojo before that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 10:10:49 2016 No.3119561 File: 126 KB, 320x475, 1451317967548.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4yTL-9gZE

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 11:05:09 2016 No.3119626 You're comparing dynamically modulated music to sampled. Can you literally get more dumb?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 13:15:18 2016 No.3119817 File: 1.39 MB, 9216x3584, aladdin compare.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] just to get it out of the way

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 13:16:27 2016 No.3119819 >>3119817 >not animated delete this

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 13:17:58 2016 No.3119823 File: 1.83 MB, 9216x3584, Aladdin comparison.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3119819 hello?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 6 20:54:24 2016 No.3120724 >>3108961 I wish you high frame rate neckbeards would stay the fuck away from film.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 01:09:01 2016 No.3121192 >>3108923 You're dumb. It's in 4. Syncopation throws off so many autists. I dunno if you're an autist. I just wanted to call you a name for not getting a time signature correct.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 01:19:36 2016 No.3121205 >>3108961 Hey dude this is funny but I was crawlin thru google and found that and thought it was hella fucking interesting good deal.

Anonymous Thu Apr 7 01:35:38 2016 No.3121223

>>3108708
>What is subjectivity

Listen, I think that SNES sounds better than Genesis, but this is two songs from one composer with an extremely idiosyncratic style. For all we know, he could've composed the score for the SNES, then hastily ported to the Genesis. It's absolutely impossible to prove that one thing is better than another when it comes to something as subjective as art, so stop trying.

Anonymous Thu Apr 7 01:49:23 2016 No.3121241
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>>3108708
Your first mistake was posting something uploaded by Professor G.

He uses shoddy emulation and cranks up the loudness, making even the most well composed and conducted tracks sound like irredeemable ear rape.

Remember, Sega and Nintendo kids alike, if you see this mug on a search you made on youtube, look for an alternative source.

For Mega Drive/Genesis tracks in particular, I recommend uploaders DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL and The 16-bit Audiophile Project instead, as they capture from actual hardware.

Currently listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie1yVhXkpCU

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 02:11:04 2016 No.3121259 File: 79 KB, 533x800, bd899ba52e7f3fdd2e4d57ae66d8c205.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SNES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mys_x8k8c1I Genesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unh2dAEHtZo

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 02:22:46 2016 No.3121278 >>3109718 Sega Mark III/Master System with FM mod > Famicom/NES > vanilla Master System. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-bPYeoxnU&nohtml5=False

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 04:00:15 2016 No.3121447 >>3117146 genuinely impressed by that black sabbath snes version

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 04:30:35 2016 No.3121486 >>3117146 so nickelback uses a genesis to record all their music... learn something new everyday

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 06:16:20 2016 No.3121587 >>3121241 >dat Space Harrier reference at 1:00

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 07:20:12 2016 No.3121642 >>3121259 both are terrible

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 07:27:19 2016 No.3121647 File: 61 KB, 320x320, 1459740774664.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvdh9e2GWJg

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 11:38:53 2016 No.3121935 >>3121647 Huh? SNES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoRz3CMaLmU Genesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b--tnmghlHU

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 12:17:07 2016 No.3121990 Genesis had higher highs and lower lows. SNES was mediocrity all around. TG16 had better sound than either despite its more primitive hardware, though this be nostalgia talking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 12:40:44 2016 No.3122017 SNES is better when your TV has shitty muffled sound.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 12:42:45 2016 No.3122018 Which version of Earthworm Jim is better? SNES or Genesis?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 12:46:29 2016 No.3122023 >>3122018 1 is better on Genesis, 2 is better on SNES

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 16:15:50 2016 No.3122330 >>3121990 >TG16 had better sound than either despite its more primitive hardware, though this be nostalgia talking. To be brutally honest I hate the TG16 sound, it just has no "punch" if you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 16:40:26 2016 No.3122378 >>3108837 I can't stand the farting bass the Genesis constantly uses

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 16:41:50 2016 No.3122382 Protip: you can run a speaker line through the SEGA headphone jack and it sounds great!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 7 16:43:00 2016 No.3122384 >>3108937 tipping intensifies

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 8 13:15:36 2016 No.3124372 >>3121647 underrated post

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 8 14:00:49 2016 No.3124451 >>3121647 >GRADE UNDER A

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 17:22:02 2016 No.3127235 Let's face it: Genesis sound is for people that actually like videogames, while SNES sound is for people that would rather just listen to a CD while playing a real videogame.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 18:38:13 2016 No.3127367 >>3121990 Nah SNES was usually good. Genesis was usually bad but it got some decent sound here and there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 19:10:51 2016 No.3127415 Cannon Fodder Megadrive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0ifwbQ1RwY Cannon Fodder SNES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLH5e0NBoVs Megadrive 1 SNES 0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 19:18:48 2016 No.3127427 >>3127235 THIS x1000 if you dont like bleep bloops then just fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 19:38:53 2016 No.3127459 >>3127415 yurops did a good job with the consoles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68BZ2Dw7u8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB--9Q7l5cw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkZEnlXqY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA_EXcMGU14

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 19:53:02 2016 No.3127484 >>3127459 yup, they knew how to treat the genesis right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdI9eLBHQI0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sN-lekUOC0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 20:03:52 2016 No.3127508 >>3127415 is that a literal fart in the song

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 20:06:37 2016 No.3127515 File: 41 KB, 400x581, 1455823439636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thunder Force IV vs Donkey Kong Country 2 OH FUCK HOLMES! THEY BOTH SOUND AWESOME AS SHIT! No fuck off, christ.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 20:08:23 2016 No.3127523 >>3127515 Are you a schizo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 20:21:39 2016 No.3127553 File: 246 KB, 341x254, 1139809046265.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3127523 No. I've just done about 127 grams too much cocaine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 20:34:21 2016 No.3127576 >>3121192 The beginning is in 7/4.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 21:31:08 2016 No.3127694 >>3127484 >again with the fucking Proffesor G Emu garbage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27sYuz77wPo

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 23:17:23 2016 No.3127908 >>3127235 >Implying more realistic sounds was not the goal from the beggining They even advertised realistic sounds on fucking Pong, liking retro soungind synths is fine, but that was not the objetive when they were, you know, not retro.

Anonymous Sat Apr 9 23:32:21 2016 No.3127940

>>3108708
games for snes or sega there with rating KA (kids to adults) on the ESRB?

please I want to play with the following requirements.

games without magic, without references to magic.

games without references to devils
and politically correct games

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 9 23:43:05 2016 No.3127958 File: 142 KB, 293x341, noblevoice.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3127940 Shin Megami Tensei I, II and If...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 00:03:50 2016 No.3127990 >>3122384 ebin

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 00:44:23 2016 No.3128067 >>3108708 This is a shitty way to compare for a number of reasons This fight was settled long ago anyways. Anyone worth their salt know that the SNES chip is more versatile and powerful but cannot do some specific niches as well as the YM2612 can.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 01:20:23 2016 No.3128096 >>3128067 The SPC700 is more powerful on paper, but what good is it when sample sizes have to be capped at 64k?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 01:20:23 2016 No.3128097 >>3111328 guy is shitting his pants because he spent too much on headphones. the 20 dollar earbuds are just fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 01:29:42 2016 No.3128108 >>3128096 What is 64k, and what is the deal?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 01:37:52 2016 No.3128121 >>3128108 The amount of data that could be loaded into memory. It's why most SNES music sounds rather quiet and weak.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:10:16 2016 No.3129826 File: 128 KB, 1013x789, Hank.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really thought /vr/ was above this level of console war bullshit What happened?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:15:13 2016 No.3129837 >>3129826 console wars have always happened on /vr/

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:16:18 2016 No.3129841 >>3129837 Yeah, in a sort of light joshing manner, not this full blown autistic shitstorm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:22:47 2016 No.3129857 >>3127576 Correct. Well I'd have said 7/8 but that's splitting hairs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:25:04 2016 No.3129860 >>3129841 >full blown autistic shitstorm Using examples and comparing things isn't as bad as you make it seem. It's okay to like shit like the Genesis, but you can't say it isn't shit. Embrace the shit taste.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 10 18:27:51 2016 No.3129871 >>3129860 You are part of the problem

Anonymous Sun Apr 10 19:26:20 2016 No.3130006
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>>3108726
I have golden ears and am auditioning these tracks on my near-field HS80m's, the benchmark speaker of its kind. Verdict, SNES.

The Genesis's FM synthesizer is underutilized in this music though, I don't think the composer's heart was in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 01:17:23 2016 No.3130674 >>3109230 Go away Lex, you should be in prison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 03:46:23 2016 No.3130920 Snes sound is horrible, compared to Genesis'. Yeah, it's technically richer, but it sounds extremely retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 13:34:29 2016 No.3131661 >>3130920 >it sounds extremely retarded The problem is not the SNES sound hardware, but the plethora of half-assed composers. In the right hands, the SNES just sings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLpjPht5mvg

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 11 14:17:37 2016 No.3131765 >>3108949 Sounds about right. On average I much prefer the sounds from the genesis but the most impressive tracks imo tended to be on the snes

Anonymous Mon Apr 11 14:37:47 2016 No.3131826

>>3110831
it sounds better for the four seconds it plays before just being a stale loop. this is the worst argument to keep surfacing in these threads.

you're comparing what sounds like a short recording from a broken phone to a full midi composition.

could the genesis do that? no
should the snes have done that? probably not

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