/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3093046]

Why didn't we get this cable for our consoles?

[Anonymous No.3093048]

>>3093046
Reasons.

/thread

[Anonymous No.3093054]

>>3093046
Honest question. Who here, born in the 80's or before, cares about picture quality at this age?

[Anonymous No.3093115]

>>3093046
Scart's a shit connector.

In Europe and Japan the scart/jp-21 cables never sold very well. Only a handful of consoles actually had SCART RGB included in the box. Usually it would had been RF or composite over scart instead of rgb.

Now it's hip to talk about RGB. But why we talk about a shitty EU standard is beyond me.

S-Video also looks great. At the time the only thing that could had taken advantage of RGB would had maybe been DVD. And that had component pretty much standard by the 2000s. Wasn't big till then too. VHS, Betamax, LD, etc used composite.

So again I'm not sure why kids think the lack of RGB is all that surprising.

[Anonymous No.3093123]

>>3093115
>>Now it's hip to talk about RGB. But why we talk about a shitty EU standard is beyond me.
If you don't understand why pulling RGB out of a system is better than composite signal you must be huffing some pretty damn strong paints...

[Anonymous No.3093130]

>>3093123
Case in point. These kids are incapable of understanding RGB without scart.
This is the main reason I've stopped talking to anybody young about retro games. The amount of parroting is unreal.

Oh and if you don't use RGB and instead use s-video fucking forget about it. You're an idiot.

Me "Ya I like RGB over s-video these days"
Dumb underage "Wow man I love scart. My fav youtuber loves scart. My wife loves scart. Scart saved my life. scart scart scart".

It's comical how much of a parrot these kids are.

[Anonymous No.3093136]

>>3093130
when you said RGB, you mean these right?

[Anonymous No.3093145]

>>3093136
I never said what connector i use. RGB isn't limited to one connector.

No idea what that cable is for.

[Anonymous No.3093150]

>>3093145
>No idea what that cable is for
Underageb&, gtfo

[Anonymous No.3093159]

>>3093115
>>3093130
it's ok dude we can't all have superior CRT inputs

[Anonymous No.3093162]

>>3093046
First TV i got with a scart was in 2007.
So yeah

[Anonymous No.3093163]

>>3093150
Are you retarded, kid? Honest question.

[Anonymous No.3093169]

>>3093159
Europe never got professional monitors with BNC connectors?

[Anonymous No.3093175]

Why don't you guys make your discussion more productive by backing up your statements with specs, pros/cons, and quirks about the signal and connector standards rather than quibble like faggots.

I think RGB guy may have a point, but I don't know enough about the topic at hand to discuss it intelligently, although I'm sure as hell more technical than the average fellow. Enlighten me, and any one else, who's interested. And I'm talking about on a technical level with hard facts, not some parroted opinion.

And I'm talking about implementation details like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorburst
and how if this is off in NTSC your audio can leave artifacts in your chroma and luma.

Elevate the discussion. Back up statements with facts.

[Anonymous No.3093209]

>>3093175
>Elevate the discussion. Back up statements with facts.
What's their to elevate when you got the jungle of band wagoners chanting "scart scart scat!".

There's generally a line of accepted basic knowledge. You know, stuff you don't need to explain. And almost always this information can be found with a quick google search.

[Anonymous No.3093246]

>>3093175
RF<<<Composite<<<<<<<<S-video<<<RGB (better colours) ~ Component (able to do 480p)
Fact, not opinion, whatever connector standard you may be using.

[Anonymous No.3093249]

>>3093246
It's not really fact. RGB can be better than component. It depends on the source.
RGB can also handle 480p.

S-video may be the best option for some. Again depends on application.

Some consoles the best you can do is composite or s-video. Even RF in some cases is the best option.

[Anonymous No.3093258]

>>3093115
>So again I'm not sure why kids think the lack of RGB is all that surprising.


Drop the condescending attitude before I kick the sh*t out of you.

[Anonymous No.3093259]

>>3093163
Evidently you're not old enough to remember. This is the cable that displayed your computer on the family's tv. See, before hdtvs were a thing, this is the best we had to play games/watch pirated media without paying out the ass for a fuckhuge monitor. If you're not going to take the time to reverse image search, I'm not taking the time to be civil.

Like I said: underageb&, gtfo.

[Anonymous No.3093261]

>>3093209
No. You do need to explain. Otherwise you are repeating things you can't substantiate. Things that may very well be wrong in some or all cases.

Google this shit? That's saying "construct my argument for me because I don't personally know".

>>3093246
Explain in more detail please.

>>3093249
Maybe things aren't always black and white. Maybe one standard excels under certain circumstances when in other cases it doesn't. It would be interesting to know.

[Anonymous No.3093272]

>>3093259
>See, before hdtvs were a thing, this is the best we had to play games/watch pirated media without paying out the ass for a fuckhuge monitor.
Are.. Are you being serious right now?
I want to give the benefit of the doubt your trolling but that right there is one of the more underageb& things I've read in a while.

No fucking TV out there has RCA inputs for RGB. Oh but you shout underageb&?

You know what. I'm certain now. You have to be under 20 years old. No way someone is this fucking retarded about TVs.

The only thing I can think of that this cable might work for is some weird laptop thing to have it be the display or it's for a projector/rgb interface.

This thing sure as shit isn't going to work on a fucking TV.

[Anonymous No.3093273]

>>3093261
Do I need to explain why I'm typing in the English language?
How to hook up rca plugs?

How much explaining do you need? Or rather I should say, how much spoon feeding do you need?

[Anonymous No.3093291]

>>3093249
I am saying with '~' that rgb and component are roughly equal. Nearly all consoles can be modded for rgb, some are more difficult to mod than others. S-vid does not become the best because it is all that is available.

[Anonymous No.3093293]

>>3093273
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are getting defensive about being called out for it, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.3093298]

>>3093291
>S-vid does not become the best because it is all that is available.
Umm. It sure as shit does if it's all that is available. Same with composite and RF.
>>3093293
Sorry no spoon feeding from me. Maybe some other anon can help out.

[Anonymous No.3093303]

>>3093298
Admit that your opinions aren't yours and you don't understand them and you'll look less like an idiot. It's ok not to understand such technical things, but not ok to pretend like you do and spout stuff like you know anything. :)

[Anonymous No.3093306]

>>3093303
Do us a favor and stay in /v/. You went from bitching about not being spoon fed to now trying to say I don't know what I'm talking about.

Damn this place has gone to shit.

[Anonymous No.3093320]

>>3093306
This place has gone to shit because people like you say nothing of value.

[Anonymous No.3093329]

>>3093320
I hope you know that people like you are why everyone thinks you the tablet generation are beyond hope. You came into a world with internet. The only excuse for ignorance in your generation is laziness. And here you are bitching about not being spoonfed.

And if you want to make a point about post and thread quality. How about learning as much as you can about the subject before making the post or thread?

Naw fuck that right. Just drag your underageb& ass in here and bitch about not getting your way. Maybe make a 6thgen thread too while you're at it?

[Anonymous No.3093334]

>>3093115
>In Europe and Japan the scart/jp-21 cables never sold very well.
Yeah you're just talking shit.

[Anonymous No.3093337]

>>3093329
I'm asking for facts. That's it. I don't think you have the understanding to back up what you are saying yourself. You say Google it? That's exactly what the tablet generation is dependent on. If you can't back up what you are saying without even the smallest argument to support your claim, then your opinion is worthless.

[Anonymous No.3093338]

>>3093046
SCART is a French patented connector. USA didn't want to pay for a foreign patent due to pride and being all in the "we're number 1 always" state of mind. USA essentially refused to acknowledge the existence of better technology because it was not designed on its soil, hence, decided to never get it.

[Anonymous No.3093342]

>>3093334
They cost a lot for a reason.
The later 90s cables weren't very cheap to buy new either.
>>3093337
>continues to bitch about not being spoon fed.

[Anonymous No.3093345]

>>3093342
>They cost a lot
Yeah you're just talking shit.

[Anonymous No.3093347]

>>3093054
1982 launch date
I do a bit. S-video to a good consumer set is good enough for me though. no going out of my way to replace my period setup
.>>3093136
vga to component, some line doublers and video cards can use that.
>>3093175
evebn the best scart cables only use rg179 or so coax and paper thin shielding as well as running unshielded power and ground wires along side video and audio. poor stripping and soldering can lead to signal reflection. loose connections and cheap wiring can lead to impendence mismatches.

http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=understandingcables&version=print

scart is an obsolete euro standard.

[Anonymous No.3093353]

>>3093347
Excellent response. Thank you.


>>3093342
This thread started with a question. The OP is in a state of ignorance, and wants to know why scart wasn't more universal. Was it for technical, standardization, or other reasons? We are here to discuss that, both the ignorant and knowledgeable alike.

You posted some opinions, and I asked why you think that way. Rather than support that argument, you try some appeal to authority tripe on an anonymous image board, and dodge by saying Google the answer. Great advice.

You're talking to an electrical engineering PhD student, a person who would appreciate the technical details of this discussion. If anyone I should be pulling authority, but would be the last to do so because I'm smart enough to know when I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.3093354]

>>3093338
The only thing scart has over other connectors is it's a single connector.
>>3093345
JP-21 Saturn cables were over $50 from what I've been told. And that was a popular console in Japan.

[Anonymous No.3093359]

>>3093353
>You're talking to an electrical engineering PhD student
No one here is believing that a legit EE interested in retro games doesn't know what scart is and why it could be good or bad.

[Anonymous No.3093365]

>>3093359
electrical engineering=/=av tech

[Anonymous No.3093367]

>>3093354
Meanwhile in Europe SCART cablea came bundled.

[Anonymous No.3093369]

>>3093353
Also Mr. EE kiddo. I want to point out that you are praising this guy for giving you a googled link.

One I was going to link even since Extron actually know wtf they're doing.
See if this guy links an article from the other big name in this stuff.

[Anonymous No.3093370]

>>3093367
Yes often as composite or RF over scart. Think Saturn is the only example of widespread RGB Scart cables.
The PALshit cables were made differently than the JP-21 also so.

[Anonymous No.3093372]

>>3093369
I was mostly praising
>evebn the best scart cables only use rg179 or so coax and paper thin shielding as well as running unshielded power and ground wires along side video and audio. poor stripping and soldering can lead to signal reflection. loose connections and cheap wiring can lead to impendence mismatches.

Those are technical reasons that can be verified against specs. It gives me an idea of what I should be looking for in a quality standard.

[Anonymous No.3093373]

>>3093369
I was going to link the Belden article on proper cable terminating but I can't find it again. It's been awhile. I believe it was for bnc connections but applies universally.

[Anonymous No.3093374]

>>3093365
Ya an EE would never mess with cables. Na

[Anonymous No.3093384]

>>3093373
There was a translated page from Kramer talking about their matrix switchboxes. Unfortunately seems to not be public anymore.

I think these articles get taken down a lot.

[Anonymous No.3093385]

>>3093054
'86 here, composite does the job just fine for me. Composite is everywhere, is easy to replace if necessary, and gives me picture and sound.

[Anonymous No.3093387]

>>3093372
Expanding on the scart cable further in the following link you can see that they are all wired for dc output even though that is not needed video signal transmission. I would also suspect that bridging all grounds even when there is more than 1 ground location isn't optimal. this would be more your area to comment on.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

[Anonymous No.3093390]

>>3093385
Exactly the same. I've lived through both bad and good standards and connectors over the years, and used filters when I first got into emulations in the late 90s because they were something I could tweak, but now I just like playing the games. I don't really care about how they are displayed because it's malleable. I use composite on everything hardware wise, and just scale pixels when emulating. Never really been an a/v junkie.

[Anonymous No.3093646]

>>3093115
>In Europe and Japan the scart/jp-21 cables never sold very well.

WHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHA

In electronics stores there were and are half aisles filled with different SCART cables in different lenghts and price ranges. Every TV still has a SCART connector, before HDMI many of them had two, every electronics device like VCRs or DVD players came with Scart cables. Only console manufacturers were often too cheap to include a Scart connector, their cables typically ended in those three yellow- red- white plugs. Yay, composite!
Still, SCART was THE bomb before HD- connections.

[Anonymous No.3093662]

>>3093646
We are talking about RGB cables for consoles here you 3rd world fuck. Yes we know you have scart cables everywhere.

[Anonymous No.3093673]

>>3093662
SCART carries RGB you utter fuckwit. It's an excellent standard and the best SD you can get.

Just because Americans didn't give a shit about their picture quality, europeans did. That's why we had higher resolution also.

"hurrr, scart is shit".... just stop man. Some people are genuinely interested in knowing the truth about this stuff, not some stupid game detached from any reality where you're trying to pretend your region had great stuff. Fuck off, normal people just want the truth and stop acting like a crazy person, noone is saying all Americans suck because of it.

[Anonymous No.3093675]

>>3093115
>Only a handful of consoles actually had SCART RGB included in the box
You again?

[Anonymous No.3093680]

>>3093673
Scart isn't used just for RGB. 90% of scart cables are composite video or rf cables.
>>3093675
You going to link me to a to that chinese hot garbage and claim it's official scart cables again?
Was funny the first two times. Got kinda sad by the w/e time you spammed it.

Still never got a PS1 scart cable yet. One went off ebay awhile back. Went for over $100.

[Anonymous No.3093684]

These threads never go well, and many say "there's no difference"

Jump to 2 minutes:
https://youtu.be/h1eROI6Lgh8

[Anonymous No.3093708]

>>3093680
Where are you getting this 90% number from? The entire point of SCART was quality signal, I can assure you that EVERY scart cable that comes with a system is carrying at LEAST composite, let's not talk shit. You're really saying that even though a device can output RGB, and they have the scart connection, that they didn't bother putting in an extra bit of wire to make it RGB?

Why do you think the SNES was rgb to begin with except that people would be able to use it? Not everyone connected with scart, RF was still the standard at the time - most people had scart sockets but some old tvs didn't. That's why they couldn't just sell them with scart alone.

[Anonymous No.3093737]

>>3093708
>The entire point of SCART was quality signal,
Far from it. The entire point of scart was for a shit connector that could carry all signals.

Original SNES JP-21 cables for example are garbage. Id assume rgb scart cables are the same. If there are official ones. Too lazy to google.

Making a good scart cable isn't cheap. It's hilarious how shit of a connector scart is. I would had said the worse mainstream connector but apple's new connector may surpass it.

[Anonymous No.3093746]

>>3093680
>90% of scart cables are composite video or rf cables.
>rf cables over scart

You're literally retarded. And FYI, any double male SCART end with all the pins will inevitably bring RGB. Those were always cheap.

>One went off ebay awhile back. Went for over $100.

That's why you go after the much cheaper non official cables, did the same thing in the 90s and any difference was negligible.

[Anonymous No.3093749]

>>3093737
>Original SNES JP-21 cables for example are garbage.

Why are they garbage?

[Anonymous No.3093756]

>>3093746
Finding the good old 3rd party cables is even more difficult. May as well not exist.

Besides I'm after the official cable.

It's just funny. In the over year I've been searching for this PS1 cable I've learned that all you 3rd world Europoors were talking quite a lot of bullshit about rgb scart being as popular as it is.
Goes to show that you should take everything said on the internet with a gain of salt.

[Anonymous No.3093763]

>>3093749
Terrible shielding.

Pretty amazing build quality for the time though.

[Anonymous No.3093769]

>>3093737
>Far from it. The entire point of scart was for a shit connector that could carry all signals.

Oh well if you're just going to plain make shit up then forget it.

[Anonymous No.3093774]

>>3093756
>were talking quite a lot of bullshit about rgb scart being as popular as it is.

RGB SCART was the primary (sometimes the only) connection any equipment like VCR or DVD player came with, so it was popular whether you can find your overpriced Sony(tm) branded RGB SCART cable people just don't want to give away.

Why do you need it? Do 0.01dB shielding noises bug you that much? And as a matter of fact third party RGB SCART cables existed on the market ever since someone opened up a first party one to see how it worked.

[Anonymous No.3093780]

>>3093763
>Terrible shielding.

Can you take a picture of that cable or have you seen the insides? You might have been scammed lol.

[Anonymous No.3093784]

>>3093769
Only a fucking retard would think running a 12v line, audio lines, and the video lines through the same fucking connector is a good idea. Among scart's other short comings.
>>3093774
>VCR
>RGB
You continue to prove you're an idiot.
>>3093780
That's how they were made.

[Anonymous No.3093785]

>>3093115
Talking out of your ass: The Post

[Anonymous No.3093792]

>>3093785
Going to have find something else to parrot now, champ.

[Anonymous No.3093793]

>>3093756
>Besides I'm after the official cable.

http://www.ebay.it/itm/351434831720
http://www.dealry.it/src/cavi+tv+playstation+megadrive

Literally less than 2 seconds on Google, you lying, delusional cunt.

Maybe if you actually looked for them you would have even got one from Ebay instead of letting the offers expire.

And this>>3093774, SCART was THE ONLY CABLE you'd get BY DEFAULT when you bought something like VCR players, IF you were lucky you'd get a SCART+Composite, a standard that later also Sony used with Playstation consoles, you'd recognize later batches because they came with the SCART+Composite black cables instead of the standard gray SCART cable.

Now fucking remove yourself from /vr/, EOP shit eater, at least have the decency to not spew bullshit when you can't even search for something on the non-english internet.

[Anonymous No.3093802]

>>3093793
Can't read that shit. Cable is dirty as shit and looks fake. Cool this shit again.

>talking about VCRs again
Man you EU guys are fucking retarded. That was composite over scart.

[Anonymous No.3093808]

>>3093342
>let me tell you about your continent

What the fuck are you talking about, everyone used and uses SCART, the cables are not expensive at all.

[Anonymous No.3093816]

>>3093802
>Can't read that shit. Cable is dirty as shit and looks fake. Cool this shit again.

Damn, the denial is strong in this one.
How pathetic can a human being get?

[Anonymous No.3093817]

>>3093808
I said that already. This is RGB over scart we're talking about.
see
>>3093130

[Anonymous No.3093820]

>>3093816
>here's this shit cable
ya but I want an official cable
>ya well fuck you scart da best

[Anonymous No.3093829]

>>3093784
>Only a fucking retard would think running a 12v line, audio lines, and the video lines through the same fucking connector is a good idea. Among scart's other short comings.

You're a fucking spasticated joke.

The video and audio is completely split, it's in a heavy wire to carry all the individual and separate lines. How could you have said that? How could a person type that? Have you tried looking into pills?

[Anonymous No.3093831]

>>3093817
Sounds like you're just a stupid yank who knows nothing about the rest of the world mate

[Anonymous No.3093832]

>>3093820
>ya but I want an official cable
It's the OFFICIAL CABLE you fucking retard!

[Anonymous No.3093834]

>>3093784
>You continue to prove you're an idiot.

No? Even though VHS only contains compressed YUV data it could still send RGB for things like the OSD menu or text overlays and just do the color space conversion on the fly unless it did S-VHS. Of course you could just get composite from the same cable.

>That's how they were made.

And I'm going to just take anecdotal evidence on this.

[Anonymous No.3093841]

>>3093829
>The video and audio is completely split, it's in a heavy wire to carry all the individual and separate lines. How could you have said that? How could a person type that? Have you tried looking into pills?
They go through the same connector retard.
>>3093832
Ya it really isn't.
>>3093834
>VHS only contains compressed YUV data it could still send RGB
>VHS
>RGB

[Anonymous No.3093850]

>>3093841
>VHS only contains compressed YUV data it could still send RGB
>for things like the OSD menu or text overlays

Nice going cherrypicking my post.

[Anonymous No.3093852]

>>3093850
Keep telling me how EU got magical VHS with RGB.

[Anonymous No.3093858]

>>3093852
VHS are YUV
VCRs are RGB

VHS ≠ VCR

[Anonymous No.3093863]

>>3093858
>VCRs are RGB
EU retards actually think their scart cables gave VHS RGB quality.

Holly shit.

[Anonymous No.3093864]

>>3093841
>Ya it really isn't.
It's literally the very same JP SCART cable that came packed with the console you ignorant fuck and no amount of denying is going to change that.

But then again I bet an american who doesn't even know where Europe is, let alone speaking any language other than English, knows European hardware standards better than Europeans.

You're embarassing.

[Anonymous No.3093869]

>>3093841
>They go through the same connector retard.
You're suggesting interference then? You have no idea what you're talking about because that's not how it works. If that was how it worked then component cables wouldn't be literally glued together, HDMI would be in multiple cables, and there would be no such thing as computers.

Look at the picture, this is what the inside of a scart cable looks like fuckwit. What did you think it went like?

This is what we're talking about, how you're just making stuff up. And you don't seem to be able to tell the difference between anything resembling reality and what you just invented yourself.

[Anonymous No.3093871]

>>3093863
I didn't say they did, I said the internal menu stuff of the VCRs were displayed in RGB and any VHS just received preemptive color conversion back to RGB without altering the analog data inside which is indeed encoded YUV.

[Anonymous No.3093872]

>>3093864
Maybe give me another link in gibberish to another fake cable.
>>3093869
>Scart is good becouse HDMI

Is this real life.

[Anonymous No.3093878]

>>3093871
>VHS menus are RGB so it counts
Man that's one hell of a backtrack.

[Anonymous No.3093883]

>>3093878
It counts as RGB actually being widespread, which was the initial argument.

>>3093774
>RGB SCART was the primary (sometimes the only) connection any equipment like VCR or DVD player came with

>>3093834
>it could still send RGB for things like the OSD menu or text overlays

>>3093858
>VHS are YUV
>VCRs are RGB

You don't like to read very much.

[Anonymous No.3093884]

[Anonymous No.3093885]

>>3093883
>It counts as RGB
>VHS
I'm literally dying.

[Anonymous No.3093891]

CRT is VHS and RGBs are NTSC it's really not difficult to understand.

[Anonymous No.3093898]

>>3093885
VHS don't magically output RGB data because standards and tape bandwidth, but that was never the argument. The argument is was RGB popular in Europe? It was, for things as trivial as a VCR menu or other equipment like, you know, computers and consoles.

[Anonymous No.3093908]

>>3093898
I don't think Europe ever got close to the over 1/4 homes having a console like in America.
The basic peasant would of used RGB. Especial in the 80s. Maybe towards the ass end of the 90s.

[Anonymous No.3093912]

>>3093908
wouldn't had*

[Anonymous No.3093916]

>>3093820
>>3093841
>>3093852

Are you the same guy who a while ago shat up another Scart thread at first claiming that Scart was so unimportant in Europe that Sony never brought out an official one and then when people showed pictures of them with the box whined that they all were fake?
And who seriously tried to prove the unimportance of Scart in 90s Europe by the fact that the PS1 had no Scart cable bundled with the package?

[Anonymous No.3093920]

>>3093916
Were you the dumbass that kept linking me the fake PS1 cables?

[Anonymous No.3093924]

>>3093916
Leave this idiot alone, he's just a compulsive shitposter.

[Anonymous No.3093961]

>>3093908
Every remotely normal kid in europe had a console in their house, I'm sure it was the same in the US. Homes that didn't have a console would be due to demographics ie. older people or minorities and nothing to do with interest in videogames or anything we're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3093978]

>>3093684
i agree with you but the video test is unhelpful as the mini puts out a much clearer signal than the standard snes.

[Anonymous No.3094239]

>>3093054
Only few people actually knew that there were other standards. Also no one cared and if so it was too expensive or you had nothing to use it for.

[Anonymous No.3094246]

>>3093353
>You're talking to an electrical engineering PhD student who's smart enough to know when I don't know what I'm talking about.
Do you also live in an imaginary dorm with an imaginary roomie?

[Anonymous No.3094271]

>>3093272
I used to hook my pc to my TV via my vhs recorder as my old ass crt did only have RF. composite between pc and vhs and then rf to the TV. I also could rip dvd's to vhs, good old times

[Anonymous No.3094290]

>>3094271
>pc
>TV
>vhs
>crt
>RF
>dvd
got to love tech talk

[Anonymous No.3094316]

Why are you Americans always reacting so autistic about scart?

[Anonymous No.3094342]

>>3094316
America is #1 at everything, the rest of the world is split into people who either idolize us or are jealous. Europe on the other hand is full of people who don't speak our language, run 17% slower than we do and try to spread a myth that they have better picture quality than we do. If an American says s-video is better than scart, you'd better believe it.

[Anonymous No.3094376]

>>3094290
holy shit youre an idiot

[Anonymous No.3094381]

>>3094376
why? Because the excessive use of acronyms in technically oriented statements made me chuckle?
Holy shit you get pissed at crazy shit

[Anonymous No.3094405]

This thread would be less of a shit show if people used facts rather than insults to argue with. Why even post in a thread like this, what is being discussed? I was hoping to learn about something I didn't know anything about so I might appreciate it more, not reading sperglords sperging out over their precious preconceptions being challenged. All I've learned is that the only difference between standards is how purple in the face dipshits can get without offering any evidence.

You know what? If your argument consists of "because I say so" or "look it up yourself", it means that you don't have the knowledge to back it up.

Seriously, why not take this shit thread to /v/? Because at least there no one cares if hot garbage threads are filling up the board.

>>3093338
>>3093347
>>3093387
>>3093834
Only really solid posts in the whole thread. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3094545]

>>3093673
no, belden brilliance coax to locking 1 piece bnc are the best SD you can get. that's why a majority of the broadcast industry uses it. If scart was the optimal choice we would wee scart/jp21 connections on the equipment.
>>3093869
exactly, puny wires, shitty crimped on pins, populated with a bunch of wires unnecessary for gaming.

r,g,b,c-sync, audio l,r and is all you need, 6 wires. if you want composite and s-vid as well it brings the count to a maximum of 9.

American companies didn't want to pay for the licensing of a proprietary collector and therefore no usdm tv except the rca dimensia ever got an input.

either way its pretty moot now as you can make all your own cables for about the same price with minimal soldering and have a direct to bnc. the only reason I still see a use for jp21 is the ease of connecting a framemeister. which could probably be modded for bnc connections or a breakout made for the mini din input.

720p used to be the ultimate in high def, doesnt mean it still has a place today. scart may be the best out of the box rgb cable but it is far from the optimal connection.

[Anonymous No.3094649]

>>3093115
>S-Video also looks great. At the time the only thing that could had taken advantage of RGB would had maybe been DVD. And that had component pretty much standard by the 2000s. Wasn't big till then too. VHS, Betamax, LD, etc used composite.

What cable did VCD use?

[Anonymous No.3094717]

>>3093115
>>3093342
>When Americans think they know anything about SCART

KEK

[Anonymous No.3094732]

>Clueless American shitting up the thread and refusing to admit he's wrong

Fucking USA ruining everything. Don't be mad just because you got with Mexico-tier image quality.

[Anonymous No.3094764]

>>3094732
i would rather play 60hz svid than 50hz scart and so would you.

>>3094649
laser disc? composite. later ones used s-video once svhs players made it a thing.

[Anonymous No.3094785]

>>3094717
>>3094732
Sorry but scart is shit, children.

[Anonymous No.3094805]

>>3094764
He's talking about VCDs, Video CD which used MPEG1 so naturally RGB would be a much better fit for them.

That's not to say ANY format which stores video on composite cannot use RGB as a fallback if the player supports it. Might even give better quality since it's bypassing the TV's own decoder, of course this is always relevant to the player.

[Anonymous No.3094989]

>>3094805
VCD would had used component.

[Anonymous No.3094995]

>I don't like the thing!
>But I like the thing!
>Nuh uh faggets!

Is every topic on /vr/ always this much shit?

[Anonymous No.3095012]

American here. Scart sounds too much like shart therefore I do not like it.USA! TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT.

[Anonymous No.3095028]

>>3094995
>Is every topic on 4chan always this much shit?

[Anonymous No.3095059]

>>3094989
Why would VHS look better through S-video then scart?

[Anonymous No.3095068]

>>3095059
Don't think much supports svideo with scart.
VHS in particular shouldn't matter much but depending on the vcr it may change. Composite is the best choice probably.

[Anonymous No.3095072]

>>3094805
>Video CD which used MPEG1 so naturally RGB would be a much better fit for them.

But what jack did VCD players have on their back?
Was this jack different in murka, Europe, and Asia?

[Anonymous No.3095075]

>>3095072
Same as DVD unless you're talking very early.

[Anonymous No.3095079]

Jesus what is going on in here i just wanted to talk about video games

[Anonymous No.3095081]

>>3094805
>MPEG1 so naturally RGB would be a much better fit
MPEG1 is Y'CbCr (a.k.a. "YUV")

[Anonymous No.3095125]

>>3095059
because someone modded it to output y/c? all vhs players were composite. s-vhs brought y/c output.

[Anonymous No.3095738]

>>3095081
Which is a way of encoding RGB.

[Anonymous No.3095747]

>>3093054

Im not autistic about it but I know when something looks like shit

[Anonymous No.3097515]

>have PAL Mega Drive with region switch installed
>big fan of dithering effects caused by composite/RF
>switching to 60hz makes my yurop TV go black and white if using comp/RF
>have to use SCART
Sure, the end result is a clearer video output, but I'm not as fond of seeing crystal clear square pixels as most other people seem to be.

[Anonymous No.3097521]

>>3097515
Your TV must be terrible. Get a Trinitron or something, I have full color when running on composite 60hz in all my CRTs and i'm in jewrop too

[Anonymous No.3097527]

>>3093347
>vga to component, some line doublers and video cards can use that.
to say vga to component is misleading since it's not component, it's RGB through rca connectors

[Anonymous No.3097552]

Because my consoles were all in my bedroom, plugged into a 1980's TV set only took RCA and RF.

[Anonymous No.3097553]

>>3097527
Think you mean RGBS or sync on green.

[Anonymous No.3097617]

>>3097527
no some can do YPbPr or even both.. lrn2colorspace

[Anonymous No.3098603]

>>3097521
It won't work either way, earlier consoles didn't have crystal oscillators with multiple frequencies.

[Anonymous No.3098647]

>>3093175
The movement is essentially people who have played games but now want to play them in the "best" setup possible. But to do that you need cables, possible mods, monitor that outputs RGB signal, and maybe a switchboard.
I have a PVM, but I opted for a larger display. So I went big ass consumer S-video. no regrets.

Vocabulary
>scanlines
>RGB
>Scart
>PVM / BVM
>JP-21