Which console was worse: Jaguar or PC-FX?

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Which console was worse: Jaguar or PC-FX? Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:00:19 2016 No.3090107 [Reply] [Original]

It is established that the fifth gen goes PS>SS>N64>3DO>Jaguar?PC-FX>Pippin.

Which is better:

A bunch of primitive 2/5 star at best games or the same number of visual novel pedophiliac non-games and a couple good shmups and platformers?

Low poly flat shaded 3D or no 3D at all?

Are the PC-FX and JagCD region and copy free?

Does the PC-FX have a homebrew scene like the Jag?
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Atardis and NECbeards debate to finalize the position of these two hopelessly lame consoles!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:13:34 2016 No.3090137 File: 156 KB, 640x841, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PC-FX at least had some good games. Atari systems were a mess after the 2600.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:16:44 2016 No.3090142 Don't know about PC-FX, but Jaguar is objectively terrible. There's not a single game on the system worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:17:36 2016 No.3090145 >>3090107 >console >PC-FX Really?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:23:20 2016 No.3090149 File: 111 KB, 320x316, 50040_front_zps6wwnzr9w.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090137 That one and pic related are fantastic. The only thing Jaguar has going for is Tempest 2000.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:29:33 2016 No.3090158 File: 90 KB, 640x640, PA.32022.001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090149 Don't forget Langrisser.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:32:28 2016 No.3090160 >>3090107 >Which console was worse: Jaguar or PC-FX? >PCFX >Console

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:35:09 2016 No.3090165
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>>3090145
>>3090160
How is the PC-FX not a console?

>Does the PC-FX have a homebrew scene like the Jag?
The PC-FX had an expansion card version like the Creative 3DO Blaster with the intention of allowing home brew. I haven't seen anything come to fruition from that but it may be hidden in the depths of Japan.
PC-FX is obviously region free since it was only released in Japan to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:37:48 2016 No.3090172 >>3090165 Shit, this card is sexy

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:39:30 2016 No.3090175 >>3090107 >PS>SS>N64 Too obvious

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:41:08 2016 No.3090181
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>or the same number of visual novel pedophiliac non-games
If you check the "visual novels" released on the PC-FX you'll see that most are simulations and not adventures.
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=&fil=plat-pcf&rfil=
Even if you don't understand Japanese you could play Pia Carrot as the sole translated title.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:49:57 2016 No.3090192 >>3090165 >How is the PC-FX not a console? It's literally a PC peripheral.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:55:29 2016 No.3090196
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>>3090192
Do I really have to post the standard PC-FX because you're too retarded to look it up yourself?
Or are you going to pretend it's just a small tower PC with unusually placed CD drive?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:57:27 2016 No.3090198 >>3090196 >the standard PC-FX You're not helping your argument. The thing was designed to connect to PC98 computers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 19:59:46 2016 No.3090206 File: 12 KB, 320x240, smugsegata.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090107 >Sega Saturn >not the best fifth gen system

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:05:39 2016 No.3090219 File: 87 KB, 400x300, 331.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090198 There was an ISA version for IBM compatibles aka DOS/V.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:12:37 2016 No.3090226 >>3090137 The 7800 is pretty badass tho. Literally everything else is a mess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:15:37 2016 No.3090232 >>3090107 Jaguar is a steaming piece of shit, filled with garbage that doesn't even have background music. If not for one lama fucking hippie no one would even know it existed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:15:53 2016 No.3090234 >>3090226 The Lynx was a good handheld. Fucking huge, but good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:23:09 2016 No.3090243 >>3090232 >that doesn't even have background music >I came to this conclusion after watching a YouTube video from someone who doesn't even know how to use the sound menu

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:26:25 2016 No.3090250 >>3090232 >If not for one lama fucking hippie no one would even know it existed. Wow underage, it's almost as if you weren't alive back when it came out. OH WAIT.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:26:33 2016 No.3090251
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The GA was apparently also capable of 3D acceleration unlike the standard PC-FX.
I wonder if NEC had intended to sell a 3D accelerator expansion for the console but stopped due to the small install base.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 20:31:53 2016 No.3090260

>>3090251
Definitely one of their ideas. NEC was pushing PowerVR graphics accelerator card tech in the mid-'90s, but that never reached the PC-FX and then PowerVR was forced out of their market by 3DFX.

PC-FX being able to interface with PC-98 machines for development purposes doesn't mean it was meant to be a peripheral in the first place. After all, the console's far more audiovisually capable (FMVs and such) than the PC-98.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:01:14 2016 No.3090307
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This is a picture of the PC-FX console. Some thread derailing retard is trying to call it a computer because it stands vertically.

By that metric, the PS2,PS3,PS4,Wii,Xbox360, etc are all home computers and not consoles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:10:28 2016 No.3090318 There are at least 4 good games on the PC-FX: Chip-Chan Kick! (platformer) Choujin Heiki Zeroigar (shmup) Der Langrisser FX (SJRPG) Kishin Douji Zenki FX: Vajra Fight (scrolling beater) Can anyone find four good games on the Jagaur?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:14:00 2016 No.3090327 >>3090318 >Raiden >Doom >Cannon Fodder >Tempest 2000

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:14:50 2016 No.3090329 >>3090107 >Are the PC-FX and JagCD region and copy free? Was the PC-FX even released outside Japan?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:16:52 2016 No.3090336 >>3090158 That's a port of a Mega Drive game and was also on Super Famicom. >>3090160 The PC-FX is about as much of a computer as a PC Engine (or a Famicom for that matter).

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:23:35 2016 No.3090347 File: 134 KB, 800x800, pdggd56.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvPR-ofem7E The PC-FX clearly serves a certain niche audience. What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:27:35 2016 No.3090353 >>3090336 Yeah, an improved port with voice acting thanks to all that CD space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:27:45 2016 No.3090356 >>3090347 >What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system? Somebody who did the math and parents bought it on clearance when he was young and wouldn't get him another console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:36:46 2016 No.3090363 >>3090353 Making it the definitive version of Langrisser 1 to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPHGLYVxRg

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:38:40 2016 No.3090367 >>3090347 >What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system? Diehard 2600/7800 oldfags who thought that the Jag would bring Atari back into relevancy.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:42:20 2016 No.3090370
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>>3090347
This is the launch title of the Jaguar (aside from the pack in Cybermorph).

It's strangely poetic that these wretched consoles appeal to the sensibilities of deranged people.

Let's keep going.
What kind of freak prefers the Pippin?!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:43:44 2016 No.3090372 File: 211 KB, 1024x1536, Silver Huskywolf2237.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090370 Wow thats so awesome!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:46:10 2016 No.3090379 File: 23 KB, 589x823, jagmeme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where did you learn to fly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 21:49:03 2016 No.3090382 >>3090379 WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:11:00 2016 No.3090417 >>3090347 I loved the Jaguar. When all we had was a 286 with an EGA card, Jaguar was the only way I could play Doom and Wolfenstein. Loved it. Wolf3D port in particular was well done.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:20:52 2016 No.3090435

Seriously? A system that had a few decent to good core games vs a system that had... um... er... what the fuck DID the PCFX have? Nothing memorable, I can tell you that.

Jaguar was better than even the 3D0, and might be a little better than the N64 if you're like me and not a fan of the awkward as fuck 3dified titles it tried to sell to everyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:25:22 2016 No.3090443 >>3090435 >Jag >beter than 3DO

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:26:53 2016 No.3090450 >>3090443 What the fuck did the 3D0 have worth playing? I remember the goddamn thing when it was out and wanting to spend money on it but I wanted to justify at least a COUPLE of games for it being worth getting. Nope.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:27:23 2016 No.3090453 File: 235 KB, 800x1594, ssf2t.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090435 >Jag better than 3DO hahahaha NO

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:31:16 2016 No.3090465 >>3090206 its not tho. you fucking weeb

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:34:32 2016 No.3090468 File: 2.08 MB, 837x955, smilingsegata.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090465 >Sonyfriends actually believe the PS1 was good

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:36:38 2016 No.3090474 >>3090468 >Using Segata's image for shitposting Blasphemous.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 22:48:35 2016 No.3090492 >>3090363 Langrisser FX was a port of Part 2 and most of the improvements were in the Saturn and PS versions IIRC.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:19:40 2016 No.3090534

The Jaguar CD had no region lock but had copy protection.
The Atari Jaguar CD freezes at startup and plays the sound of an enraged jaguar snarling if the inserted CD fails the initial security check.
You need a bypass cartridge, developer bios version, special burning program, or a disc image that has been properly encrypted after being ripped.
The PC-FX only had Japan region games and had no copy protection.
The Pippin was region free but had copy protection that worked in the same way as the PS. I don't know if a modchip for this console (which only has 22 games) was ever developed.

Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:28:07 2016 No.3090554

>>3090450
Road Rash
Need for Speed
Quarantine
Killing Time
Shockwave

And although they are often panned, I liked Crash n Burn and Escape from Monster Manor.

Too bad about the Doom port. Hardware was capable, but it was a botched port of the Jag version slapped together in a week. I think it was still late on its planned release date. Arranged soundtrack was badass, but it would have been preferable to have decent framerate instead.

Also for the 3DO, not really a game though, is Sid Meier's CPE Bach. Creates procedurally-generated classical music that actually sounds good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:32:58 2016 No.3090558 File: 30 KB, 530x291, e3-2010-miyamoto-interview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090206 I know, right? Everyone knows the best fifth gen system is N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:51:13 2016 No.3090581 >>3090417 You have good character, to be happy with what you have. May fortune shine upon you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:53:03 2016 No.3090583 >>3090435 >>3090450 Lmao. Atari fans everyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 25 23:59:26 2016 No.3090587 >>3090558 The N64 had the best 3D games. The Saturn had the best sprite games. The PSX had the most overrated shit like Metal Gear Solid and FF7.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 00:46:58 2016 No.3090679 >>3090587 They're popular games for a reason, anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 00:51:04 2016 No.3090686 >>3090251 >that NV1

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 00:57:20 2016 No.3090695 >>3090534 >special burning program, or a disc image that has been properly encrypted after being ripped. So it's somewhat similar to the Dreamcast?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 03:35:26 2016 No.3090932 >>3090307 >PS2,PS3,PS4,Wii,Xbox360 You don't load on them discs horizontally when it stands vertically. Anyway, I'm sure it was specially made to look like a PC tower.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 03:48:17 2016 No.3090951 >>3090679 Because people are dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 04:06:56 2016 No.3090978 >>3090370 >What kind of freak prefers the Pippin?! I've never seen anybody show preference for the Pippin. Not even Mac-fags.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 04:41:28 2016 No.3091018 File: 54 KB, 600x520, bandai-playdia-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bottom of the barrel should be Playdia or Loopy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:27:48 2016 No.3091423 I just got a PC-FX two days ago so I hope it's not it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:34:09 2016 No.3091431 >>3090196 Why does your PC-FX say NEC PC880i on it? Sweet controller, too. I've always been a sucker for consoles with the exact same amount of buttons as a standard keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:37:09 2016 No.3091436 >>3091431 >PC880i Because it is one... Its not a PC-FX in that photo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:37:21 2016 No.3091437 >>3091018 Loopy has a cool sticky printer, man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:38:26 2016 No.3091438 >>3091423 Sweet. I kind of want one, but the kind of limited library is putting me off (mostly VNs). But then the Jewels of the system seem really good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:41:05 2016 No.3091442 >>3091436 >Do I have to post a standard PC-FX? >Pic not related Sorry for my confusion.

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:46:17 2016 No.3091448

>>3091442
He was communicating that the PC-FX has a form factor that looks PCish, but that does not make it a PC, it is purely a videogame console. And he posted a similar looking PC in that same format that also has a CD drive in the same unusual placing.

>>3090307
This is an actual PC-FX

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:50:51 2016 No.3091453 >>3090453 >Dat pad Can that thing be actually used for fighting games?

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:51:30 2016 No.3091457
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>>3091438
Yeah the library limitation kinda sucks, but I pretty much got it for the VNs. I'm gonna try some games that came with it (as I won the PC-FX in an auction) but now I'm playing sakura taisen 1 in the ps2 that I also got. Wanna try out >>3090137 and >>3090149 later on too.

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 10:59:03 2016 No.3091465
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>>3091431
>exact same amount of buttons as a standard keyboard.
You might want to look closer. There's a couple of keys missing compared to a standard 10x key keyboard.
It was a step from from previous PC-88 keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 11:12:05 2016 No.3091476 File: 226 KB, 597x400, itantozoku.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The oddest game in the PC-FX library is Return to Zork.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 11:44:18 2016 No.3091510 >>3090196 What is this? A PC-88 with a CD-ROM^2 from a PCE?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 12:10:08 2016 No.3091561 File: 229 KB, 1280x853, coleco-toy-fair-1-1-1280x853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Jaguar can run SNES games with some minor hardware modding.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 13:23:54 2016 No.3091658 >>3090243 >>3090250 Try again retard. Had a Jag back when it game out. If was a piece of shit, AVP & Tempest2000 were the only reasons to ever own one. No BG music in games like Iron Soldier, Cybermorph, Defender2000, etc. Your ass sure is sore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 13:24:56 2016 No.3091660 >>3090370 oh look, another piece of shit with no background music

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 13:34:09 2016 No.3091679 >>3091658 >Iron Soldier >Tempest 2000 >No BG music Ah, so it's just YOU being too stupid to know how to use the sound menu. At least if you were an underage, you'd have the excuse of not knowing any better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:01:39 2016 No.3091729 The Jaguar did have one single advantage over the 3DO. It had a few shmups. The 3DO had no shmups.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:02:35 2016 No.3091731 >>3091561 That's amazing. How well does it run them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:07:51 2016 No.3091740 >>3091731 It uses Snes Jr parts so it has the same compatibility.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:10:13 2016 No.3091742 >>3090695 Something like that yes. In addition to putting errors on the disc that could not be ripped but were required to authenticate the game they also used a special encoding method that allowed more than 700MB on the CD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:27:50 2016 No.3091772 >>3090329 No

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:30:13 2016 No.3091774 >>3091453 It's made by Capcom so it works well. The stock 3DO controller requires you to use the select button to do one of your normal attacks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:31:52 2016 No.3091775 >>3090453 Oh look it's that one game that's ported to EVERYTHING

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:31:57 2016 No.3091776 >>3091476 Return to Zork is also on the PS, SS, DOS, Mac, and FM Towns.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:38:10 2016 No.3091784 >>3091775 3DO had the best port at the time though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:40:08 2016 No.3091787 >>3091729 Battlesphere (and Battlesphere Gold) is the Jaguar's best game. It's a fully 3D space shooter that is 60 frames per second. . Does the 3DO have any games that are 60FPS?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 14:42:53 2016 No.3091792 >>3091776 Yes, but it's the only title on the system that isn't ultra Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 18:35:51 2016 No.3092252 >>3091510 Yes. I think it would have been more useful if you didn't have to buy a new computer for the compatibility. It came out in late 89 when the PC98 was taking over the PC88's dominant position.

Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:17:54 2016 No.3092452

The Jaguar has an active homebrew scene. As we post new games are in development.

The PC-FX homebrew scene is small and dormant but has potential. There is a devkit and libraries and the console might be able to connect to PC 98 computers. There may already be doujin games for it you might be able to find on Japanese USEnet and BBS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 20:40:43 2016 No.3092504 >>3091679 try harder kiddo

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:09:51 2016 No.3092550 >>3092504 >can't refute the fact that you thought your games didn't have music for all these years >throws out token insult to try and save face Concession accepted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 26 21:33:10 2016 No.3092606 The PC-FX is the only console ever that can play VCDs without addons or softmodding. The PC-FX was known for having the best FMV capabilities of the 5th gen.

Anonymous Sun Mar 27 09:03:39 2016 No.3093654

>>3091658
>>3092504
Oh, and just in case you STILL decide to pretend you weren't a complete imbecile, here're some gameplay videos WITH FUCKING MUSIC.

Iron Soldier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sy3eIBGXjA
Defender 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_lfu_XJzA
Tempest 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVLXA05Lx8

You should be a career moron. Just look at what it did for Melissa McCarthy.

Anonymous Mon Mar 28 02:38:51 2016 No.3095941
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>>3090318
The vast majority of PC-FX games are visual novels and digital mangas.

Here are a few more actual games:
Super Power League FX (baseball)
Team Innocent (Sci Fi adventure that plays like resident evil)
Last Imperial Prince (sidescrolling action adventure)
Boundary Gate (grid based dungeon crawler)
Kokuu Hyouryo Nirgends (Afterburner style game with heavy story) (pictured)
Miraculum: The Last Revelation (Phantasy Star style RPG)
Dragon Knight 4 (strategy JRPG)
Lunatic Dawn FX (Western style RPG made in Japan)

So that is 12 playable games for the PC-FX.
Some of these were ported to the Playstation and Saturn.

What is the better choice for a retro gamer:

~12 okay games that are entirely Japanese but can be burned to CDR?

or

~55 half decent to quarter decent games that are English but you have to buy carts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 02:59:00 2016 No.3095971 >>3093654 Go back to atariage gramps.

Anonymous Mon Mar 28 12:45:12 2016 No.3096841

>>3095941
Price should not be a factor.
When we debate SNES vs Genesis or NES vs SMS we do not factor in the price.
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There are functional emulators for Jaguar and PC-FX.
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I'd have to say that the Jaguar is above the PC-FX because it's got quadruple the amount of actual games and that's not counting the JagCD.
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Do the math.

>>	Annoymous Mon Mar 28 13:11:06 2016 No.3096896 File: 504 KB, 334x252, Whoooa.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Atari Jaguar made me........

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 13:28:18 2016 No.3096935 >>3093654 If he was talking about IS2, the cart version didn't have music. CD version did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 14:23:24 2016 No.3097087 >>3096841 >because it's got quadruple the amount of actual games Jaguar has 67 titles, PC-FX 62. The question should be more how many games should be played on those systems over other ports.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 14:55:57 2016 No.3097174 PC-FX had the superior controller, so I'll go with that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:14:00 2016 No.3097414 >>3097087 Actual games! Not visual novels and press A to turn page CRT mangas. As for ports both systems are in the same boat. Some Jaguar games are also on PC and Amiga. Some PC-FX games are also on SS and PS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:16:09 2016 No.3097421 >>3097414 >Not visual novels and press A to turn page CRT mangas. There aren't that many on the PC-FX, mainly the Anime Freak series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:30:54 2016 No.3097454 Why did the PC-FX fail while the PC Engine was a moderate success?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:37:34 2016 No.3097474 >>3097454 PC FX couldn't do 3D in 96. Interactive anime games didn't catch on as much as they intended and could be easily replicated on CD ROM based 5th gen hardware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:37:39 2016 No.3097475 >>3097454 Not powerfull enough when it came out. PC Engine was somewhat succesfull because it was the first 4th gen console What I am wondering though, technicaly speaking which is stronger: 3DO or Jag?

Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:38:23 2016 No.3097478

>>3097454
Because it didn't really offer much over the competition, the main advantage were better video playback and few people cared about that. It had no native support for 3D which was the rage at the time.
Companies weren't interested in supporting a system nobody bought and consumers weren't interested in buying a system with no games.

It may have been a success if released in 1992 when it was originally developed and the PCE had lost a lot of ground against the SFC but NEC decided to mothball it and only released it to compete with PS1 and SS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:39:17 2016 No.3097481 >>3097475 They're about even except the 3DO was overpriced next to the Jaguar. I think this is important.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:49:17 2016 No.3097503 >>3097481 What a HUGE BULLSHIT 3DO was way more powerful than the Jaguar

Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:57:25 2016 No.3097520

About technical specs, we could say that Jaguar is stronger, even with all sorts of painful bottlenecks.

NEC, not learning the lesson about adding more chips in a SuperGrafx, decided that the PC-FX would catch with SIX HuC6270's and an obsolete CPU.

And we all know that PC-FX came to America under the name of Whatever-Grafx-32.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 16:59:50 2016 No.3097528 >>3097503 3DO wasn't even 64-bit. Do the fucking math, nigga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 17:04:58 2016 No.3097538 File: 398 KB, 448x478, 1453138713039.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3090356 Damn, that's brutal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 17:05:35 2016 No.3097541 >>3097528 >3DO wasn't even 64-bit Neither was the Jag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 17:22:14 2016 No.3097582 >>3090435 >>3090450 Three Dee Zero

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 17:47:50 2016 No.3097628 File: 116 KB, 736x951, atarijaguar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097541 Yeah it was mothafucka.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:07:22 2016 No.3097679 File: 14 KB, 500x596, 1441370899665.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097628 >clueless underage reveals himself

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:08:17 2016 No.3097686 >>3097679 >getting baited this easily Cum on step it up kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:20:50 2016 No.3097726 File: 119 KB, 425x600, p_rols1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097520 >and an obsolete CPU. Was the V810 really that bad? Would the FX have been more successful with backwards compatibility to the PCE-CD?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:31:00 2016 No.3097756 >PC-FX used V810 - failed >Virtual Boy used V810 - failed Was it the NEC Curse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:32:16 2016 No.3097758 >>3095941 FWIW Nirgends got a Windows 95 port. It requires a PowerVR 3D card, unfortunately, so it's the PC-FX original for now. Someone's making an SGL wrapper for PowerVR games thankfully.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:34:21 2016 No.3097763 File: 319 KB, 400x361, ^453DF715C0EEB3B01BB6BC41567C951A588FD20CC6275B4D15^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097679 STOP POSTING THIS GIF

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 18:55:43 2016 No.3097823 >>3091784 Also that game is ssf2 TURBO, as far as i know, that version was never released on any nintendo or sega platform at the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 19:45:28 2016 No.3097947 >>3097726 Probally not, except if it became a hentai machine

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 19:51:30 2016 No.3097967 >>3097763 stop posting eceleb_reaction.avi

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 28 19:59:25 2016 No.3097983 >>3097763 >STOP >POSTING >THIS >GIF What's wrong with it? I see it used elsewhere when arrogant underages think they're right. I thought it was a thing here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 03:16:32 2016 No.3098704 File: 286 KB, 600x511, Can Can Bunny Extra DX [back].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097947 It did and it didn't help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 03:24:14 2016 No.3098708 >>3097983 Is it the /vr equivalent of MJ eating popcorn?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 03:43:01 2016 No.3098725 Does anyone know if that director's cut D version of the 3DO is in English? Is it also the only version?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 03:50:42 2016 No.3098735 >>3098725 Was ported to Saturn, PSX, MS-DOS, all in english.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 03:54:39 2016 No.3098739 >>3098735 Not the Director's Cut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 04:11:46 2016 No.3098754 File: 278 KB, 650x651, Wario-Land-Virtual-Boy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3097726 The Virtual Boy used a slower version of that CPU so it was not wasted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 04:35:51 2016 No.3098769 >>3090107 PCFX was moonrunes only. And the nips riked it AFAIK.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 04:37:07 2016 No.3098770 >>3098704 Noice. Post moar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 11:10:38 2016 No.3099262 >>3098739 Isn't the Director's Cut exactly the same but includes the trailer for the original D2 game on Panasonic M2?

Anonymous Tue Mar 29 12:18:35 2016 No.3099393

This is a tough one. Good points brought up in the thread.

Visuals novels/Tokimeki Memo rip-offs are shit, which is most of the PCFX library.

But the Jag is also nearly completely shit. Doing the math, it has almost no good games and some awfully shitty attempts at 3D. It has what, a port of Raiden (a game that was ported to everything up to the PS1), and Tempest, which is on other systems, and Rayman (also ported to everything). It lacks an identity outside of "awful 3D" and laughable design.

PCFX does have an identity, which is "otaku trash." Something is better than nothing?

IMO slight edge to PCFX, it's a 2/10 compared to the Jag's 1/10 (and just to add, 3DO's almost there 4/10).

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 12:31:08 2016 No.3099423 Are Green Book games essantially FMV games?

Anonymous Tue Mar 29 12:33:57 2016 No.3099428
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>>3099393
>Tokimeki Memo rip-offs
Are they really ripoffs when they came out before or shortly after Tokimemo?

Did we mention it has stuff the ladies might like as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 13:57:26 2016 No.3099596 >>3091561 Stop trolling before people believe this shit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 29 15:02:35 2016 No.3099762

>>3099393
I say it's the reverse.
Jaguar 3/10
PC-FX 2/10
1/10 is reserved for the Pippin

Jaguar games can be so bad that they are good.
Observe the cat in Checkered Flag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FGK0FW2SQ
In this way Jaguar games can produce amusement which is the original point of video games.
PC-FX games outside of a select few can only produce cringe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 15:05:42 2016 No.3099771 >>3099762 pc-fx's only good games are miles ahead of the jaguar's only good games though

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 16:59:43 2016 No.3100121 File: 339 KB, 622x876, fx00023_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3099762 >PC-FX games outside of a select few can only produce cringe. With normalfags maybe. But on 4chan you should be desensitized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 18:14:08 2016 No.3100286 >>3100121 Modern video games need more perverted hentai artists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 18:29:12 2016 No.3100314 How would you rank these? CD-i 3DO Jaguar PC-FX Pippin Amiga CD32 FM Towns Marty

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 22:07:46 2016 No.3100893 >>3090367 >Diehard 2600/7800 oldfags who thought that the Jag would bring Atari back into relevancy. Oh,how we hoped and prayed ...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 22:14:50 2016 No.3100905 >>3096841 >There are functional emulators for Jaguar and PC-FX. WHERE?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 22:26:07 2016 No.3100929 >>3100314 5th gen: 3DO>Jaguar>PC-FX>Pippin 4th gen: AmigaCD32~=~FM Towns Marty>CD-i

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 29 22:29:18 2016 No.3100940 >>3100905 JAG Virtual Jaguar PC-FX Mednafen

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 05:52:02 2016 No.3101538 File: 54 KB, 492x800, chip56.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3100286 It's not just a hentai artist. It's an entire hentai studio NEC got to produce an exclusive. Chip was Custom's mascot, appearing in games like Metal Orange or Carat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 06:17:44 2016 No.3101547 Jaguar was definitely worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 06:25:13 2016 No.3101553 >>3101538 chip chan sure is lewd. shes not wearing any underpantsu. hey at least the music was good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BuaAbsKpoA

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 14:13:58 2016 No.3102092 >>3097726 Compared to the SuperH-2 and MIPS, it couldn't hold a candle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 14:29:16 2016 No.3102115 >>3101547 Why did Atari fuck it so up anyway?

Anonymous Wed Mar 30 14:42:55 2016 No.3102143

>>3101547
From what I'm reading on the PC-FX specs, the system seems extremely conservative. Your basic combination of tile sprite planes plus hardware decompression of video as the main gimmick. Not very exciting for 1994.

In contrast, the Jaguar architecture was considerably more forward-thinking, giving full access to the devs to a variety of fully programmable chips dedicated to video and audio synthesis. Plus it was AFAIK cheap to manufacture.

Too bad the hardware was IIRC full of unresolved bugs and Atari was apparently adamant that the Jaguar was to receive the worst games ever produced.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 14:52:46 2016 No.3102161 >>3101538 dat nipple

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 15:15:35 2016 No.3102203 >>3102143 >Not very exciting for 1994. What if it had come out in 92?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 15:19:12 2016 No.3102208 File: 49 KB, 539x426, fncnid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why didn't NEC/Hudson just release this instead of the pc-fx? We could have all been playing HD Hi-Ten Bomberman in 1994

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 15:29:52 2016 No.3102231 >>3102208 Why Macs? What does that adapter even do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 30 16:11:02 2016 No.3102291 >>3102231 >What does that adapter even do? It makes macs worth owning.

Anonymous Wed Mar 30 18:43:27 2016 No.3102565

>>3091731
That's the Coleco Chameleon in the picture. It was a kickstarter project and a scam because the so called prototype of the console was literally a SNES Jr. inside a Jaguar shell. It's so bad even Coleco which is nothing more than a brand name nowadays dropped it.

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