/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3068676]

Is this the best retro JRPG?

[Anonymous No.3068701]

>>3068676
No, I think Pokemon is. Pokemon is such a great JRPG that people don't even realize it's part of the genre, pokemon is the most played JRPG ever made and the most loved.

Panzer Dragoon in general is great though, I was playing Zwei last night and the game is amazing.

[Anonymous No.3068802]

That would be LoZ:ALttP

[Anonymous No.3068838]

Best RPG period.

[Anonymous No.3068841]

>>3068701
I think it's a toss up between Pokemon and Phantasy Star IV. PDS is great though, I agree.

[Anonymous No.3068842]

>>3068802
>The best JRPG is an Action Adventure game.

[Anonymous No.3068906]

>>3068701
Pokemon's certainly the most popular JRPG, and I really like the charm of the old ones, but I don't really think they're very good JRPGs. The /vr/ ones have completely broken gameplay and the modern ones are just boring after decades of the same game being released over and over again.

[Anonymous No.3068932]

>>3068906
Only Red and Blue were horribly broken, it gets much better after that. Pokemon is almost a side genre of RPG though. The collecting, raising and versus battling makes it a very different kind of game from a normal JRPG.

[Anonymous No.3068964]

No.

[Anonymous No.3068970]

>>3068676

Every time I see the thumb nail I see Claire Redfield.

[Anonymous No.3069091]

The "best" retro RPG is highly debateable

PDS is rare and unique. It will give you an RPG experience unlike any other and it's a fitting climax to a long running story. That having been said it's also easy, short and empty. Plenty of players appreciate some or all of these qualities though I personally would like it to be harder and it's Game Shark proof so you can't even mod it harder.

On the other end of arguable you might put something like Final Fantasy 7. It's accessible, epic, balanced and extremely influential. It also offered a unique experience when it was released but unlike PSO it has had every design element deconstructed and recycled endlessly until you may very well be sick of it before you've even played it. It was that good, but ironically being so good makes it "worse" as a "retro jrpg"

Then there's something like Phantasy Star 4 which was released toward the end of the lifetime of the 2D RPG and represents a very fully realized interpretation but being on Genesis didn't have the same penetration as say Final Fantasy 6 so feels "fresher" especially considering its sci-fi setting.

So really, "best" is extremely subjective and there are nichier titles like Final Fantasy Tactics or Chrono Trigger that certain players may strongly prefer and argue the comparative virtues of to the very end.

[Anonymous No.3069189]

>>3068842
Fantasy elements commonly found in other RPGs:
>check
Acquire/buy equipment that makes you more powerful:
>check
Character growth via increasing stats:
>check
Sounds like a RPG to me.

[Anonymous No.3069216]

>>3069091
>empty
I don't know how you got to that conclusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhAAYJNQZ_k


Also not sure why a short game that's not even that short is a negative. It's a RPG meant to expand the Panzer Dragoon world. It did just that.

[Anonymous No.3069218]

Dragon Quest III is the best retro JRPG.

Azel is pretty cool though.

[Anonymous No.3069223]

>>3069189
>LttP
>Character stats
?

[Anonymous No.3069231]

>>3068676

Best retro RPG coming through. Love it or hate it, the game had an insane attention to detail, and was balanced with the most veteran RPG players in mind.

That isn't to say it doesn't have any flaws though. Break Arts were woefully useless, and there wasn't much incentive to play NG+ since the game was easy to break at that point.

[Anonymous No.3069236]

>>3069189
>Sounds like a RPG to me.
That's because you're a child and don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3069237]

>>3069231
Man you could really have a good argument about that one. It was incredibly ambitious with numerous breakthrough mechanics that were never fully deconstructed/cheapened y other games but also it didn't come close to fully realizing its own vision. Like PDS it's a glorious failure.

[Anonymous No.3069239]

>>3069189

Zelda is an action-adventure series, aside from Zelda II, which does have RPG elements.

Even though there's some overlap between the two genres, they are in fact two distinct genres.

>Character growth via increasing stats

Zelda did not have this, again except for Zelda II.

RPGs are defined by traditional role-playing mechanics you'd see in tabletop games like D&D, which is to say Link would need to have basic attribute scores like Strength and Dexterity, and have these score increase the more he fights.

Link powers up by collecting item upgrades, so Link himself doesn't even have any base stats of his own - his attack power is determined solely by whatever weapon he's using.

[Anonymous No.3069241]

Honestly, Earthbound.{/spoiler]
I also love these:
Chrono Trigger
Paper Mario
Suikoden II
Secret of Mana
Dragon Quest V
Shin Megami Tensei II

[Anonymous No.3069242]

>>3069241
>Earthbound
Damn you got some gamer cred.

[Anonymous No.3069246]

>>3069241
>Earthbound is the greatest RPG
I'm glad you fucked up your /spoiler because your opinion is worthless

[Anonymous No.3069261]

>>3069242
>>3069246

At this point in time, hating on Earthbound is the hipster-who-wants-retrocred thing to do.
Liking Earthbound is, like, so mainstream, man.

[Anonymous No.3069264]

>>3069246
>>3069242
I know that Earthbound is the JRPG for people who don't like JRPGs. I know that within the context of other JRPGs, the battle system isn't as nuanced as most. It's a simple Dragon Quest style clone with a unique premise.

It's still fucking great though, don't be an edgelord.

[Anonymous No.3069269]

>>3069261
You can like it all you want. Saga is a better game.

[Anonymous No.3069274]

>>3069269
Because we all have to pick one game to like, right? And it's a contest, who likes the most obscure and or hardcore game. Because that's how you win at being cool.

[Anonymous No.3069278]

>>3068970
Me too.

[Anonymous No.3069281]

>>3069274
Right because you can't argue for or again't how good a game is unless you're a fanboy for it.

[Anonymous No.3069283]

>>3069264
>>3069261
There is literally nothing done by Earthbound that wasn't done better, earlier by another JRPG.

[Anonymous No.3069289]

>>3069269

Saga is also 2pop.

I only play obscure RPGs on older computers.

[Anonymous No.3069290]

>>3069274
>And it's a contest, who likes the most obscure and or hardcore game.
A series that sells millions of copies like SaGa is hardly obscure unless you're a tool who plays nothing but the same 3 childhood games and doesn't try anything outside of those.

[Anonymous No.3069292]

>>3069283
But muh story.

[Anonymous No.3069297]

>>3069283

Literally Earthbound has aged badly desu senpai baka now that the dust has settles AVGN is a cuck

what did I mean by this?

[Anonymous No.3069310]

For some reason I always thought this was a rail shooter.

[Anonymous No.3069316]

>>3069297
Earthbound was never good. Check out its units sold if you need proof.

>>3069292
SMT does the modern-day teen dragged into a magical world theme better. A person who was exactly 12 years old when they played Earthbound MIGHT prefer its disjointed, nonsensical comedy story more but there are JRPGs that do comedy better as well, like Lunar or Dragon Knight 3 (plus it has titties)

[Anonymous No.3069317]

>>3069239
>Character growth via increasing stats
>Zelda did not have this, again except for Zelda II.
Except they all do. You fail to realize that health and magic are stats whose values are reported in a non-numeric , non-decimal system. Just as a "traditional" RPG would express these values with numbers, LoZ games simply have an abstract presentation (eg. fractions of hearts or the magic meter).

>>3069236
Shut up, you stupid cunt. If you're going to disagree, at least learn to argue like >>3069239

>>3069223
See the discussion at the top.

[Anonymous No.3069319]

>>3069316
>Earthbound was never good.

Damn, it's so evident you're very knowledgeable about your stuff. Can I be your friend? Or I'm not cool enough? (I want to hang out with the hardcore kids).

I love SMT and Lunar, but they really aren't similar to Earthbound. Earthbound is modern-day Dragon Quest. You're basically saying that Dragon Quest was never good. Congratulations, you're hardcore now.

[Anonymous No.3069320]

>>3069283

"it's been done before" has absolutely no bearing on the quality of the work, this goes for 100% of media. earthbound is pretty cool, but the lack of side content, linearity, lack of customization, and battles generally all playing out the same way solidifies it as "pretty good" rather than the best (in my opinion). it's definitely got a very enjoyable world to explore, though, and its setting was fairly novel compared to most JRPGs that were available to westerners at the time.

[Anonymous No.3069324]

>>3069316

>sales = quality

I'd redirect you to /v/ but even they're not this fucking stupid. Also, SMT is absolute shit from a gameplay perspective and I wish people would stop pretending it's not.

>40 hours of charm bullets + mashing autobattle and healing between fights

[Anonymous No.3069326]

>>3069290
>missing the point this much

[Anonymous No.3069328]

A "what is the best JRPG?" thread is pure shitposting, who would have guessed?

[Anonymous No.3069329]

>>3069326
>moving goalposts when being called out on stupid comments

Anyway, as usual these threads are cancer, I'm outta here.

[Anonymous No.3069339]

>>3069317
>Zelda is an RPG

I'm too lazy to have this debate, so here:

https://gunsage.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/why-zelda-is-not-an-rpg/

Zelda's developer will even tell you that the series is action-adventure and not RPG. Gaming sites that categorize games by genre will unanimously file Zelda under action-adventure. Wikipedia will likewise categorize all Zelda titles under action-adventure.

You may not be able to see the distinction, but it's there.

[Anonymous No.3069347]

>>3069319
Dragon Quest was great in 1988. In 1994, Earthbound was derivative treakle. Literally an unimaginative ripoff.

[Anonymous No.3069352]

>>3069320
Well this thread is about what the best JRPG is and you obviously agree that Earthbound isn't even a contender and anyone who would suggest that it is clearly doesn't know shit about RPGs.

[Anonymous No.3069357]

>>3069091
>highly debateable
This. I find what makes a JRPG truly great to any given person is kind of insubstantial. It's all about how the games resonate with them. One of the few genres where I, personally, think gameplay isn't the most important thing. There are JRPGs that I love, but recognize the gameplay is nothing special, such as Chrono Trigger or Skies of Arcadia. It's all about the presentation, and to an extend, the nostalgia. I will argue with you to hell and back if you try and tell me DKC is better than Yoshi's Island on a technical level, but if you say you like any JRPG more than one of my favorites, I won't have much to say.

[Anonymous No.3069358]

>>3069347

Dragon Quest is still great in 2016, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.3069360]

>>3069357
>One of the few genres where I, personally, think gameplay isn't the most important thing.

>>>/v/ there's the door.

Gameplay then story

[Anonymous No.3069361]

>>3069360
It's a JRPG. Most of the gameplay is picking shit from a menu. Let's not glorify it.

[Anonymous No.3069369]

>>3069361
And? That doesn't mean it's all the same.

Panzer Dragoon Saga isn't a traditional jrpg either.

[Anonymous No.3069370]

>>3069358
And Earthbound is still derivative uninspired garbage. Go play Artifact Adventure on Steam.

[Anonymous No.3069378]

>>3069329
What goalposts was I even moving? /vr/ sure does love talking about goalposts.

[Anonymous No.3069389]

>>3069370

You and your non-retro recommendations are garbage.

I'm not even an Earthbound fan, but I despise hipsters like yout hat like to go around saying popular games are outright bad. Fuck your hipster trash.

[Anonymous No.3069395]

>>3069378
>What goalposts was I even moving?
>goalposts

You're arguing with some underage /pol/ faggot. Just ignore him and move on.

[Anonymous No.3069401]

>>3069395
I'm not even really arguing. I thought "SaGa is a better game" was a funny response to the guy talking about Earthbound. And then he started going on about how SaGa wasn't obscure and I again thought it was funny that he missed the point of what I was saying.

[Anonymous No.3069407]

>>3069389
You're a fucking idiot. Earthbound isn't popular. I thought it was trash in 1995 and I never stopped thinking it was trash. I'm being facetious in recommending Artifact Adventure as it's a modern DQ knockoff. Someone who believes a 90s knockoff of a good 80s game is just as good would believe a modern knockoff is also good. It's not. It's obviously shit.

[Anonymous No.3069425]

>>3069361

Gameplay in JRPGs is way more than just the battles, dude. Rationing resources, exploring the world, finding all the treasure in dungeons, figuring out the most optimal setups for your characters, all of this is gameplay too.

[Anonymous No.3069426]

>>3069407

>Earthbound isn't popular

[Anonymous No.3069429]

>>3069407
>I thought it was trash in 1995 and I never stopped thinking it was trash.

No offense but I don't believe you were alive back in 1995.

[Anonymous No.3069474]

>>3069339
>I'm too lazy to have this debate
Noted. Turning to someone else to argue for you is bad form. Not to mention that linking that is a huge parrot move.

>Gaming sites that categorize games by genre will unanimously file Zelda under action-adventure. Wikipedia will likewise categorize all Zelda titles under action-adventure.
Just because it's popular opinion doesn't make it right. I mean, the Nazis were really fucking popular in Germany back in the day, after all.

Concession accepted.

[Anonymous No.3069481]

>>3069429
I don't care what you believe. The fact is that no one bought it back then because there were much much much better RPGs by Square, Enix and Sega that also didn't force you to buy a bundled strategy guide. I bought my copy for $20 fresh out of a case a guy brought into the used game store I worked at and I sold it ten years later in mint condition because I only played it once.

>>3069426
It's not good and it's not popular. It's just expensive thanks to an artificial cult following.

[Anonymous No.3069493]

>>3069481

>game store I worked at

Typical lies by underages who wish they were alive back in the 90s.

Keep going, I'd love to hear more.

[Anonymous No.3069501]

>>3069481
Not either of those guys, but you not liking it doesn't not make it popular. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.3069502]

>>3069347
>Dragon Quest was great in 1988.
You mean DQ3?

[Anonymous No.3069508]

the graphics are worse than PD1, the RPG elements are barely existent, the story is quite disappointing, the combat system is repetitive and the dungeons are absolutely awful.
I love the universe though. it just needs a remake

[Anonymous No.3069517]

>>3069481

Christ, I hate hipsters. You'll even go out of your way to pretend that Earthbound isn't popular, just so nobody can accuse you of hating on it for it's popularity. Do you honestly think anyone is going to fall for that? I mean, it's so incredibly obvious that you're the kind of person who hates it because of it's cult following. You hate it because you don't like the people who like it. That's the mindset of a rebellious teenager with nothing good to rebel against. Grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.3069526]

>>3069517
>Do you honestly think anyone is going to fall for that?

Yes he really, really does.

[Anonymous No.3069627]

>>3069231
Shame they couldn't go with a realtime battle engine like they wanted to though.

[Anonymous No.3069681]

>>3069517
>supremely buttflustered
>misses the irony of being this upset while accusing someone of judging a game by what other people think
You must do well in school. Keep it up, junior.

[Anonymous No.3069705]

>>3069681

>you mad! you fucking mad!

Go away stupid baitposter

[Anonymous No.3069713]

>>3069426
>>3069501
>>3069517
Earthposters are so negative. The game is just a game, but its fans are like an autistic mafia filled with hate.

[Anonymous No.3069718]

>>3069713

It's just dummies taking bait. That guy's post was absolutely retarded, by the way, there's really no arguing that.

[Anonymous No.3069750]

>>3069713
So what does it make you for caring what some crazy autist somewhere thinks about something?

[Anonymous No.3069775]

>>3069713
>The game is just a game

Tell me more

[Anonymous No.3069875]

The best "retro" JRPG? That's a tough pick as the best should be great in all aspects. Xenogears has a very ambitious story and Lunar has funny, warm writing, but their battles are boring and their character development shallow. Valkyrie Profile has a fantastic combo-based battle system and Star Ocean 2 has incredible character development, but their stories and writing need work.

No, it has to be great in all regards, which is why I pick the most mainstream pick of all: Final Fantasy 7. The story is expertly paced and always interesting; the writing sounds natural (with the odd bit of engrish here and there); the characters are unforgettable; there is tons of exploration and side content; the battles are typical fast-paced FF fare; the character growth (materia system) is highly customizable; and its graphics and atmosphere are incredible and puts it over the top. It's truly the GOAT.

>>3068676
True disappointment and another example of Saturnfags overrating their games. (Would people namedrop Three Dirty Dwarves and Clockwork Knight if they were PS1 exclusives?) That battle system is a complete joke: it's literally fly around the enemy and find the weak point, over and over, with the occasional "puzzle" to solve to find that weak point. And as far as character growth is concerned, well, there is none. What really made me turn the game off for good was when it started spewing political/philosophic rhetoric directly at me.

>>3069231
The thing that annoyed me most about VS is the fact that you can't quickly switch between weapons of your own choosing. That would've been much more useful than quick-selecting chain combos etc., considering how often you need to change them.

>>3069324
>Also, SMT is absolute shit from a gameplay perspective and I wish people would stop pretending it's not.
Absolutely. SMT didn't start gitting gud until after the "retro" era. That said, Nocturne and Strange Journey are two of the best JRPG's.

[Anonymous No.3069884]

>>3069875
>FF babby thinks he has the privilege to criticize any other game
ayyyy lmao

[Anonymous No.3069891]

>>3069884
One of these days I'll have as many hardcores as you do.

[Anonymous No.3069892]

>>3068676
ok i'll agree that one has merits and is easily contendable for the spot and so is phantasy star IV.
I still think hands down flat the very best one is FF6 since its literally the epitome of the 2D JRPG, with glorious music, a great story and memorable characters as well as a good overall system. the big one people will probably throw up to refute this is the FF7 babbies who for some fucked reason think its "retro".

[Anonymous No.3069893]

>>3069875

I can't agree with FF7. Ignoring the story and characters etc, I don't like how overly customizable it is. The only real difference from character to character is stats (negligible) and limit break: everything else comes from materia. That means pretty much the whole party is interchangeable. Yeah, you can technically specialize roles, but why do that when you can just have everyone be good at everything?

This also applies to pretty much all of the FF series barring like, 4 and 9.

[Anonymous No.3069896]

I'd say chrono trigger hands down
>excellent use of 2d sprites
>a fun and interesting variation on the ATB system
>great music
>great story and story telling mechanics

I'd say best retro jrpg easily
>

[Anonymous No.3069904]

>>3069893

Er, please don't misunderstand me, though. I love the franchise, they're some of my favorite JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.3069908]

>this is the FF7 babbies who for some fucked reason think its "retro".
Well it is retro according to the board's rules, but then again, I'm not the JRPG pro that you fags are.

>>3069893
>I can't agree with FF7. Ignoring the story and characters etc, I don't like how overly customizable it is. The only real difference from character to character is stats (negligible) and limit break: everything else comes from materia. That means pretty much the whole party is interchangeable. Yeah, you can technically specialize roles, but why do that when you can just have everyone be good at everything?
That's a pretty common complaint and completely valid. It's probably the biggest reason why some people prefer FF6 over 7.

Personally, it's never bothered me, just like how you level up Ashley's weapons and armor instead of Ashley himself in Vagrant Story doesn't bother me either. I just want a fun system to play around with, it doesn't need to be tied to the story or characters.

[Anonymous No.3069912]

>>3069908
Meant to quote this hardcore post:
>>3069892

[Anonymous No.3069921]

>>3069904
lmao, I'm actually not all that fond of FF. It just all came together for me with 7. The only other FF's I enjoy are 5, maybe 6, and 12--and Tactics of course.

[Anonymous No.3070186]

>>3069875
>Would people namedrop Three Dirty Dwarves and Clockwork Knight if they were PS1 exclusives?

Never played 3DD but both Clockwork Knight games were smooth 60FPS. Not many 5th gen games can claim that.

[Anonymous No.3070201]

>>3069289
What is this game ?

[Anonymous No.3070219]

>>3068676
Anyone who says that game is good was some moron who dropped $200+ on it and is trying to trick you into going on ebay and hopefully buy their copy.

[Anonymous No.3070225]

>>3069908

You know, FF6 has it's own problems with it's characters too. I mean, they're pretty massively imbalanced. There's no reason, for example, to NOT have Sabin on your team from a strategic point of view. Some characters are just head and shoulders above the rest. And while some of them do have useful skills, lots of them don't. Celes might be pretty well advantaged in terms of statistics, but Runic is useless. Cyan's ability is useless. Relm's is useless. Umaro's is even worse than useless, it's a hindrance. And when it comes down to it, you can essentially sculpt a lot of these characters into any role you want anyway, and all of them can learn any spells you want them to. And I'm not even touching on the fact that the characters themselves aren't nearly as fleshed out as FF7's cast due to the sheer number of them. It's just not a good argument for 6 being better than 7. If you want to take an FF game that's better than 7 by virtue of it's characters customisation, it'd have to be 5. Not sure why nobody does that (probably has a lot to do with them not playing it as kids though).

[Anonymous No.3070228]

>>3069360
/v/ throws a huge fit over cutscenes and scripted events to the point where they claim MGS is a movie even though the games are packed with gameplay and have skippable cutscenes.


>>>/tv/

Now stay there you retarded shitposter.

[Anonymous No.3070242]

>>3069216
>It's a RPG meant to expand the Panzer Dragoon world. It did just that.
It accomplishes considerably more than that, adding a certain texture that is truly unique. Still, it is quite empty especially the on-foot areas and when all of the walking areas are mostly devoid of interaction, with the flying areas representing enormous distances between walking areas it just makes the world feel lonely and barren. Some people criticize that but I like it though I'm still not entirely sure if it was intentional or not.

[Anonymous No.3070261]

>>3070219
>Anyone who says that game is good was some moron who dropped $200+ on it and is trying to trick you into going on ebay and hopefully buy their copy.

No, those are the people who bought Metal Slug on the Saturn and claim that you need a special memory cart for it to work without slowdowns - when in reality it slow downs on any cart.

PDS is actually pretty fucking good. Very good graphics for its generation (easily one of the best looking Saturn game), and it is EXTREMELY detailed. Detailed like in you can check every bottle on the shelf of a store independently.

It's only fault is that the game is so damn short. For a 4 CD game you'd expect something more than a weeks worth of gameplay. Heck, if you don't bother maxing it out then it only takes a weekend to beat it.

I regret selling my copy a few years back. Would cost three times as much today.

[Anonymous No.3070291]

It's up there in terms of quality with some of the biggest Retro RPGs and maybe the best non square RPG if you've explored the lore of Panzer Dragoon. I'm a fan of the ATB in general so that was a pulse and the loneliness of the world. If you really get into the story, its very dark and depressing but also rewarding. One of my favorite moments is either battling with Azel, Guardian Dragon or when you finally get the original Blue dragoon.
Yeah the game's short but everything else about the game makes up for that.

Parasite eve is short and it's one of my favorite PS1 games and Sqaure RPGs of all time.

[Anonymous No.3070319]

Nobody posted this FUCKING MASTERPIECE yet?

[Anonymous No.3070458]

>>3069317
>You fail to realize that health and magic are stats whose values are reported in a non-numeric , non-decimal system.
Oh cool, then Banjo-Kazooie is my favorite JRPG.

[Anonymous No.3070563]

>>3070261
You're not fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.3070849]

>>3068932
The gameplay becomes more balanced after Red and Blue, but they don't change up much else so the series got pretty boring after the first gen. Unless you play competitively (which I find dumb in just about every game) Pokemon is basically the grindiest JRPG out there, and you're not even rewarded with good graphics or storyline like with other JRPGs at the time. It's just a 40-hour press-A slog with no actual story.

[Anonymous No.3070872]

>>3070458
Golden Axe is a good JRPG too.

[Anonymous No.3070903]

good JPRPG
not best

[Anonymous No.3070923]

>>3070849
It's designed for kids with a high skill ceiling for competitive players.

Go play a romhack like Neo X and you'll come back crawling with your limbs blown off.

[Anonymous No.3071628]

>>3070903
Lunar 2 > Grandia > Lunar > Grandia 2 > Magic School Lunar > Grandia 3

[Anonymous No.3071638]

>>3070219
>Anyone who says that game is good was some moron who dropped $200+ on it
Nope. I bought the game for $5 off a friend back in 1999.
Most of the people who have played the game have either owned it since the 90s or have bootlegged it. The games gone for well over $200 for a long while.
Also worth note that when the game came out (In 1998, probably before you were alive) it was very hard to find new. People who come into my store looking for it are flat out told unless they're collecting for Saturn for whatever reason to just get a mod chip.

Go back to /vp/ and jerk off over your nintendo shit kiddy.

[Anonymous No.3071642]

>>3071628
MS Lunar is lewd as heck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j6Xpzgvq68

[Anonymous No.3071768]

>>3071628
>Lunar 2>Lunar
My friend, I wish there were more people like you on the internet. I still to this day don't understand how so many people insist it's the other way around.

[Anonymous No.3073027]

>>3071768
The cast alone is reason enough to prefer 2. Alex and the fat kid were faggots.

[Anonymous No.3075508]

>>3068676
I thought we all agreed Suikoden 2 is the best retro JRPG?

>>3068802
>Zelda
>RPG

>>3069875
I love FF7 but no, it isn't anywhere near the best JRPG ever.

>>3069896
Neither is Chrono Trigger for that matter, but its certainly nearer the mark than FF7.

>>3069892
Why is it that 6fags always have to go out of their way just to shit on 7 at every turn? I really can't wait till you retards are given the 9fag treatment.

[Anonymous No.3075612]

>>3073027
Honestly, I hated them all except for Jessica. Everyone else felt like bland interpretations of their respective archetypes.
She was also the hottest girl in the game.

[Anonymous No.3076042]

>>3075508
>Suikoden 2
>best JRPG
Haha, no.

[Anonymous No.3076135]

>>3070563
>You're not fooling anyone.
Who was I supposed to be fooling?

[Anonymous No.3076185]

>>3069875
>xenogears
>tfw disk 2 will never be given the proper chance it deserved

[Anonymous No.3076214]

>>3068676
Yeah, I haven't been able to play it.
Just like trying to get a copy of Earthbound.

[Anonymous No.3076381]

>>3076214
>Just like trying to get a copy of Earthbound.
Except that Saga is worth the money.

[Anonymous No.3076383]

>>3076185
They were given enough chances with xenosaga and that didn't turn out too well either.

[Anonymous No.3076386]

>>3076381

No it's not,.

It's worth burning a few CD-Rs though.

[Anonymous No.3076414]

>>3076042
>breath of fire 3

How is a such a bog-standard JRPG any better?

[Anonymous No.3078074]

>>3076381
That sounds like a opinion anon.

[Anonymous No.3078192]

>>3076386
>>3078074
>poorfags

[Anonymous No.3079104]

>>3068676
I want to answer your question, but 1) I dont have a Saturn 2) SSF crashes at start for me 3) Yabause runs at an awful framerate

Please someone tell me how to get SSF working.

[Anonymous No.3079107]

>>3076386
>It's worth burning a few CD-Rs though.
How easy is it to play burned Saturn games?
What do you need to do?

[Anonymous No.3079114]

>>3079107
All you need is the swap trick.

[Anonymous No.3079126]

>>3078192

>I wasted a lot of money so the rest of the world should acknowledge my spending habits

Nah, fuck you. I have the original japanese version which costed me 20 bucks some years ago, great artwork on the booklet (much better than the western version), and I burned CD-Rs to play the english version.

[Anonymous No.3079147]

>>3079126
>burned the game
>bought a version he can't read anyway
>not a waste

[Anonymous No.3079156]

>>3079114
Thanks.

Really frustrating since I just wanted to play Panzeroons

[Anonymous No.3079157]

>>3079147

I'm learning japanese. I played the english version just once so I could understand everything at first, and every other time I replayed the game was the japanese version. Every time I can read a bit more, feels good.
Anyway the booklet alone is worth the money, it's so pretty, man.
How are you liking your ugly black and white US manual booklet?

[Anonymous No.3079196]

Just reminded me that I have the PC version of Panzer Dragoon (yes, that is a thing) and got it to work perfectly once, but now it has no music. And I can't get it to work again. Thanks obama

[Anonymous No.3079209]

>>3079196
It uses redbook audio to stream the music from the cdrom. There can be a lot of issues with this depending on the game/os/virtual drive used

[Anonymous No.3079285]

>>3068842
Oh shit nigger..

[Anonymous No.3079310]

>>3079209
It's Windows XP. Didn't know the virtual drive mattered. I'll try fiddling with it some more. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3079326]

>>3079157
I stopped learning japanese after over a year and being able to read manga without a dictionary and it's so painful to get into japanese things again because it's like I'm a failure. Maybe I should try playing japanese games and do two birds with one stone. Is it all in terrible hiragana only or is there kanji as well?

[Anonymous No.3079383]

>>3079157
>brags about starting to learn a language he'll never stick with
>only counter argument is to sling mud about the manual
Concession accepted.

[Anonymous No.3079391]

>>3071642
underrated kek

[Anonymous No.3079407]

>>3070319
It was sure nice of the Dreamcast laser assembly to scream bloody murder before a random battle occurred.

[Anonymous No.3079416]

>>3079326

Azel has kanji.

>>3079383
>a language he'll never stick with

How do you know? are you a fortune teller? if so, tell me the lottery number for tomorrow.

>only counter argument is to sling mud about the manual

My counter argument is that you need online validation for your spending habits online, that's enough.

The manual thing was just something extra (and it's true by the way, the US manual is an ugly, lazy black and white one and the cover art is terrible)

[Anonymous No.3079430]

>>3079416
it's usually how it goes with middle aged people who start learning jap, you know, the you can't learn japanese meme girl

[Anonymous No.3079436]

>>3079430

I said I'm learning japanese, but I didn't say when I started.
I didn't start recently.

I don't know what meme you're talking about, not into memes, really.

[Anonymous No.3079464]

>>3079436

[Anonymous No.3079535]

>>3068676
I dunno. It's definitely the only retro JRPG I still want to play