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Revisionist history Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:41:34 2016 No.3060054 [Reply] [Original]

Revisionist history time gents. If you're born after 92/93 don't bother coming in.

What bothers you the most?

>The 5th generation invented 3d
Is the one that gets me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:50:32 2016 No.3060074 No one who has ever played the first Starfox game believes that. 5th gen is when 3d became more plausible for platformers and stuff though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:54:44 2016 No.3060085 Everything about the Saturn and 3D. People who think that 3D was added because they were afraid of Sony, that it's an afterthought and that it sucks at doing 3D, that the best parts of its library are all 2D games, etc...

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:55:19 2016 No.3060087

>>3060074
I hear it a lot when I'm talking to casual players and the subject comes up. Generally when I say I'm not into indie games since they usually like to talk about them.

It comes up on /vr/ all the time too when someone says 5th generation is the start of modern games too.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:55:24 2016 No.3060089

>X game is unplayable today because the controls are bad!

Even though I really like emulators as they're very practical to boot up and play I hate how some people with the shortest attention spam ever like to bash a game they just downloaded and don't even try to learn for more than 5 minutes before caming up with "IT'S SHIT"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:55:38 2016 No.3060091 >>3060054 >If you're born after 92/93 >90s Baby go home

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:55:48 2016 No.3060092 The ever-classic "ET caused the crash" meme seems to only be getting further and further peretuated these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:57:35 2016 No.3060094 >>3060074 >No one who has ever played the first Starfox game believes that. I see what you did there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 16:57:41 2016 No.3060095 >>3060085 Ya that's just parroting youtubers who are parroting shitty blogs at that point. >>3060089 How do you feel about people who bitch about tank controls?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:05:25 2016 No.3060114

>>3060092
ET deserves its infamous reputation for the massive amounts of hubris Atari had at the time. While not the sole factor of the crash (video games sales were already slowing greatly), ET nailed Atari's coffin shut when they made millions more copies than consoles sold.

And as Atari collapsed, so went most of the other companies, but yeah, the basic premise of "ET caused the crash" is as truthful as "Archduke Ferdinand's assassination caused WW1" or "Slavery caused the civil war."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:10:49 2016 No.3060124 >>3060092 It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:31:45 2016 No.3060146 >>3060114 Did Atari even make a loss with ET? It's one of the best selling games on the system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:38:47 2016 No.3060163 Everyone knows John Carmack invented 3D when he made Quake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:44:57 2016 No.3060179 >>3060163 >implying that's 3D NUH HUH IT NEEDS TO HAVE A GPU TO BE 3D Everyone knows Vooodoo invented 3D with their 3Dfx card, it's in the fucking name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:46:47 2016 No.3060184 >>3060179 Shit, you're correct, all 3D were made by drawings before videocards created polygons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:53:30 2016 No.3060204 >>3060054 >What bothers you the most? "SJWs are responsible for censorship!" I don't know whether to rage or cry. It's like this newfangled generation bases its entire world view on whatever shit they see viraling on social media.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 17:58:53 2016 No.3060212 >>3060204 They pretty much are though. Unless you're confusing localization with censorship?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:00:42 2016 No.3060215

>>3060212
Games in North America were censored by Nintendo of America because they were afraid of a public outcry that controversial content could cause.
Games in Europe were censored by the companies because they were afraid of the BPJS stopping public sales in Germany.
Games in Japan are censored because of §175.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:06:38 2016 No.3060228

>>3060212
>They pretty much are though.

Case in point. I've lost all hope for this generation.

Aside from radical feminists, your social justice groups didn't even exist until recently. When I was growing up, so-called "family" groups and conservative groups were hellbent on censoring whatever they deemed ungodly, and video games were no exception. These same groups were also the ones railing against the sexualization of women in the media, but mostly as a result of their anti-pornography agenda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:07:10 2016 No.3060230 >>3060092 Also the flip side of this, "Nintendo saved video games by packing a robot with the NES".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:09:57 2016 No.3060237 >>3060054 >Sega rushed 3D games to market in the US. I don't even know how that one keeps coming up. Did people not realize it came out in Japan in '94?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:13:35 2016 No.3060246 >The video game crash of 1983 America-centric perspectives seem to overwhelm English history of video games, and seem to help perputuate these kinds of myths. There wasn't really a video game crash in Japan or Europe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:15:25 2016 No.3060248 File: 1.15 MB, 5000x5000, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Why don't you like the Sonic Adventure games? >Well they aged terribly...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:16:44 2016 No.3060249 >>3060248 >ebin youtubers making people form opinions on games they've never even played The greatest cancer of retro gaming.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:30:53 2016 No.3060265

>>3060212
College kids on Tumblr don't have the clout you think they do.

>When I was growing up, so-called "family" groups and conservative groups were hellbent on censoring whatever they deemed ungodly, and video games were no exception. These same groups were also the ones railing against the sexualization of women in the media, but mostly as a result of their anti-pornography agenda.

Even today it's amazing how often I see kids on-line blame feminists and "SJWs" for modern policies brought in by Christian conservatives.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:34:22 2016 No.3060271 5th gen consoles were when the plebs were finally introduced to the polygon. Patricians were playing ultima underworld years before the playstation though

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:46:50 2016 No.3060289

People who say the MegaCD was a poorly received failure and a huge disaster for Sega and also the people who say the MegaCD was really well received and a huge success.

In reality it got a lukewarm reception, ok sales, and most people thought it had an ok selection of games but not enough to make it worth the money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:50:02 2016 No.3060292 >>3060271 It's not like UU has polygonal engine.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 18:59:13 2016 No.3060297

>>3060265
>College kids on Tumblr don't have the clout you think they do.
SJWs are no longer just loonies on Tumblr and fringe sites that nobody listens to. Are you living under a rock?

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6987

>Even today it's amazing how often I see kids on-line blame feminists and "SJWs" for modern policies brought in by Christian conservatives.
You are conflating different time periods, different societal conditions, and different groups with only partially similar beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:00:37 2016 No.3060301 File: 3 KB, 320x240, treedee.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I invented 3D.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:07:11 2016 No.3060308

>>3060297
>SJWs are no longer just loonies on Tumblr and fringe sites that nobody listens to. Are you living under a rock?
>campusreform.org

I'm getting a strong "collage kids that no one listens to" vibe from this site.

>You are conflating different time periods, different societal conditions, and different groups with only partially similar beliefs.
How so?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:11:42 2016 No.3060316

>>3060230
I would trim that to
>Nintendo saved video games

Seen so many people parroting this. The "crash" was just atari dying for being a shitty company with fucked up financial practices, and of course all the companies that had built their business on the back of atari failed along with them. The EU and JP markets were barely affected by this which is what allowed Nintendo and Sega to swoop in and dominate without any serious US competitors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:14:23 2016 No.3060323 >>3060215 >>3060228 >>3060265 Do you guys not consider soccer moms SJWs? They were basically the only reason the ESRB got made in the first place.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:14:26 2016 No.3060324

>>3060308
I'm getting a strong "has been living under a rock for several years" vibe from your posts. SJWs have gotten huge and video games have turned into a political battleground. I don't know how there are still people who are completely oblivious to the situation.

>How so?
Well of course you don't see how they're different when you don't even know anything about SJWs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:23:42 2016 No.3060339 >>3060316 Except Nintendo saved video games. Sega and their shitty master system could never save vidya, it was irrelevant then and it's irrelevant today

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:25:15 2016 No.3060341

>>3060323
>Do you guys not consider soccer moms SJWs?
No, because soccer moms don't give a fuck about social justice. Their objections are ones of conservative moral values, not anti-oppression.

Of course, it's not like I'd understand someone who complains about SJWs to even actually know what it is that they're complaining about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:27:33 2016 No.3060345 >>3060341 >No, because soccer moms don't give a fuck about social justice. Are you trying to deny my child the right to grow up in a diverse community, shitlord? They're one and the same.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:39:07 2016 No.3060356

>>3060345
SJWs say things like: "This game is problematic and represents the cisheteropatriarchal structures of systematic oppression because it's not inclusive and does not reflect the experiences of diverse individuals such as women, transwomen, queers and people of color. This game offends and triggers me. I am a victim and someone must pay." Their complaints and objections are limitless in scope and complexity, and peppered with post-modernist academic jargon and theories. They want complete control over the game industry, game communities, and game journalism.

Soccer mom Christian conservatives are nothing like this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:43:07 2016 No.3060361 >>3060356 Both hate guns, video games, men, and free speech. They are the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:45:35 2016 No.3060368 >>3060361 Capitalists and communists are the same because they both eat food. Impeccable logic!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:46:25 2016 No.3060370 >>3060297 >>/pol/ and GG containment boards SJW only exist in college campuses and on the internet yeah they suck but we don't this shit here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:47:51 2016 No.3060372 >>3060368 SJWs, soccer moms, and communists may as well be the same too.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:47:56 2016 No.3060373

>>3060345
Conservatives and liberals are not the same.

SJW would have no problem with DOOM as an artistic representation save and except the lack of female characters and POCs.

Soccer moms have problems with DOOM because guns, blood, death, gore, Satan, Hell and mild language, but don't give a shit if DOOMguy was DOOMgirl or black or gay or any of that shit.

Their interests and concerns are nearly polar opposites.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:49:41 2016 No.3060376 >>3060373 I don't think that's quite true. A scantily clad woman offends the both of them. In the end both of them are cancerous anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:51:19 2016 No.3060378 >>3060370 No, SJWs are not limited to college campuses and the Internet, and the danger of having SJWs take over colleges should not be underestimated. >>3060372 They are not the same. Why are you trying to claim they are? What is your agenda here?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:52:35 2016 No.3060380

>>3060373
>SJW would have no problem with DOOM
Anita Sarkeesian has attacked Doom multiple times.

Are you guys high or something? SJWs and soccer moms and are the same fucking thing.

Even if you want to argue they're not it doesn't matter much to me. They both want my guns, video games, and free speech gone.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:53:13 2016 No.3060382

>>3060339
>Except Nintendo saved video games.
Not so much. The computer game industry would have continued on regardless, especially outside the US. It's fascinating to think about, really. What if Nintendo had not existed, the console model failed in 1983, and video games had evolved purely along the dual paths of arcades and personal computers? I would have enjoyed that, personally.

When you say Nintendo "saved" video games, what you're really saying is that Nintendo was phenomenally successful in the mid- to late-80s. And that is 100% true. Nintendo won the business lottery of the century with the NES. They had good, affordable hardware, a number of very smart and visionary game designers, and absolutely perfect market conditions and timing. It was a perfect storm of economic opportunity. But it didn't "save" video games, it just took us along a different path of history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:53:49 2016 No.3060383 >>3060378 >They are not the same. Why are you trying to claim they are? What is your agenda here? I just think it's silly to say SJWs and Soccer moms are any different. Guess I need to check my privilege.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:55:41 2016 No.3060389 >>3060383 There is nothing silly about it when it's plainly obvious that they aren't the same thing or part of the same continuum.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:56:48 2016 No.3060391

>>3060380
>SJWs and soccer moms and are the same fucking thing.
No, they're polar opposites on the political spectrum. They have one thing in common, though: they're both composed of uptight, perpetually outraged busybodies who want to control what other people consume and enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:57:45 2016 No.3060394 >>3060389 >>3060391 >No, they're polar opposites on the political spectrum. Pretty sure they both support the Clinton ban, dickheads.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:57:53 2016 No.3060396
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>>3060054
>If you're born after 92/93 don't bother coming in.
The correct cut-off year is 1989. Anybody born in 1990 or later is compromised. Fuck these '90sbabbies.

Seriously if you're born in 1990 or later you should get the fuck off of /vr/. Especially the doom babby retards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 19:58:06 2016 No.3060397 >>3060378 I'm in college and I've have yet to see a real SJW. Most people my generation hate SJWs too. You're delusional dude. So fuck off back to your containment boards.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:00:26 2016 No.3060403

>>3060397
>I'm in college and I've have yet to see a real SJW.
Your personal experiences don't define reality.

>Most people my generation hate SJWs too.
If that was true, SJWs wouldn't be as powerful as they are.

>So fuck off back to your containment boards.
I didn't bring up this topic, and I have no idea what "containment boards" you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:00:39 2016 No.3060405 >>3060396 Please don't drag Keanu with your attempts to force doom baby here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:04:06 2016 No.3060416 People trivializing or outright denying the contribution arcades had to video game history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:04:45 2016 No.3060418 >>3060204 Just because there was censorship before SJWs doesn't mean that SJWs can't drive censorship now. Censorship in games back then was shit, censorship in games now is shit, none of it is ok and I hate all of it equally.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:04:46 2016 No.3060419
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> People thinking 5th generation consoles invented 3D.

Those people must have never seen 80's arcade games that were using 3D. Like S.T.U.N. Runner which game out in 1989.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgpj6fZQ4U

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:06:20 2016 No.3060428 >>3060419 That looks really slick for 1989. Why haven't I ever heard of it?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:09:36 2016 No.3060437

>>3060403
That's because SJWs aren't as powerful as you think. Ever watch the video of the sjw hog who worked at Burger king getting arrested because some old man was a pro-lifer? That's how much power and credibility they actually have. Anita is just a serpent who uses SJW for economic gain.
>containment board
Already mentioned to you once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:10:36 2016 No.3060439 >>3060054 Fuck this thread, more c&b

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:11:08 2016 No.3060441 >>3060428 It's on Midway Arcade Treasures 3 for the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. I'm gonna have to get this compilation for my PS2 sometime.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:11:37 2016 No.3060442

>>3060341
Creating a social environment where game developers feel like they have to meet diversity quotas for characters, tone down sexual content, portray race and gender in certain pre-defined ways, etc, or risk condemnation from the press, risk putting their careers in jeopardy if the person in charge of hiring decisions is politically motivated, etc.

That's why I complain about SJWs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:11:38 2016 No.3060443 >>3060054 Fuck this thread, more c&h

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:12:36 2016 No.3060447

I have a theory.

I think it's possible that the Christian conservative soccer moms morphed into SJWs. Not on an individual level, because outwardly they're very different. Rather, young people who WOULD HAVE BEEN religious moralists in a previous generation, are now SJWs instead, because Christianity has declined and doesn't carry authoritative weight with most people anymore.

The old moralist busybody says, "I do not like this because it is evil and against God's will." This argument worked in that past, because most people were religious (or at least pretended to be to maintain a certain social standing).

The new moralist busybody says, "I do not like this because it perpetuates rape culture and the oppression of minorities". Except there aren't any studies that demonstrably link video games to increased violence, rape, or oppression. It's a vague, faith-based belief, just like religion.

One is an appeal to religious authority, the other is an appeal to academic authority. One is couched in quotes from scripture regarded as sacrosanct, the other is couched in quotes from feminist literature regarded as sacrosanct. In either case, arguments based on scientific evidence are nowhere to be found.

The exact goals and arguments differ slightly, but the personality type is exactly the same: moralizing busybodies getting up on a high horse to denounce everything they don't like. The only difference is what the high horse is made from.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:12:54 2016 No.3060448

>>3060419
I remember playing Cyberia back in 1995 (on an IBM Aptiva nonetheless) and being surprised at how good the graphics were.

Better than anything of its time, I would go as far as saying I didn't find better graphics in a game until the year 2000.

https://youtu.be/4-HTd-c6_-o

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:14:29 2016 No.3060454 >>3060447 See also the anti-porn legislation of Catherine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin, and the support they got from the Christian right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:15:01 2016 No.3060457 >>3060419 Like I mentioned a couple posts above, people often tend to forget or ignore arcades when it comes to discussion of gaming history. That is, when they're not outright demonizing them calling them ripoffs, claiming they had no depth, etc,

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:16:43 2016 No.3060461

>>3060437
>That's because SJWs aren't as powerful as you think.
You understimate them, and fail to see that the world is not a static place where things never change. It was only a few years ago that SJWs mostly unknown, and now things have completely changed. The Nazis also started from scratch and worked their way into power over time, they didn't just suddenly pop into existence as rulers of Germany.

>Already mentioned to you once.
?

>>3060447
What do you hope to gain by building an imaginary connection between soccer moms and SJWs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:17:00 2016 No.3060462 >>3060339 >shitty master system get out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:18:07 2016 No.3060464 >>3060396 >Especially the doom babby retards. literally the worst part of /vr/ holy shit at least they stay in their containment thread for the most part

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:19:10 2016 No.3060469 >>3060396 Oh great it's the "Doom babby" guy again. Report and don't engage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:19:33 2016 No.3060471 >>3060087 there was "3d" in arcades in 80s if we're talking about 3 dimensional movement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:23:25 2016 No.3060481 >>3060457 I think it's because of lack of exposure. I played maybe 9-12 arcade games growing up in rural america. there are hundreds i missed out on because my dad wasn't a salary man in tokyo in the 90s.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:23:43 2016 No.3060483 [DELETED]

>>3060464
>stay in their containment thread for the most part
they dont though. they constantly shit other doom threads all over the board which should be covered by their shithouse general. they also enter threads for other fps's and basically cry that they dont play like doom. they're not even good at doom, that's the funniest part. pure shitters, every last one of them.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:25:20 2016 No.3060491

>>3060461
>What do you hope to gain by building an imaginary connection between soccer moms and SJWs?
I already said they were different and I don't think they should treated as the same thing, because they're clearly different. But I think they share certain personality traits in common, and it's plausible that a Christian moralist born in 1940 would have become an SJW had she been born in 1990 instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:30:16 2016 No.3060503 >>3060491 SJW isn't just about moralizing, it's a post-modern, anti-Western ideology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:37:50 2016 No.3060536 >>3060054 >you can't talk about events in history if you're born after a certain time Good to know literally no one on the face of the earth is allowed to talk about events before 1899.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:38:56 2016 No.3060541

>>3060503
Maybe your definition of moralizing is different from mine, but SJWs are entirely motivated by ethical concerns. That's the "SJ" in SJW. Everything is viewed and evaluated in ethical terms. There is no room in their ideology for "art for art's sake". Does this creative work advance or retard the plight of non-cis non-white non-hereto non-men? Everything is a political football that either helps or hinders their utopian goals. Nothing else matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:42:31 2016 No.3060549 >>3060541 SJWs have no concept of ethics or justice.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:44:26 2016 No.3060553

>>3060054
Recently I saw a review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXDCV9HiZ4
of an alpha version of No Man's Sky. It is basically a modern gaming version of Elite II, except there's a lot to do on planets' surfaces, lots of procedural generation stuff, like fauna and flora, even alien culture and language generated sort of Dwarf Fortress style.

OK so what got to me is,
these kids sit there in their little sets being the video game experts we should be listening to etc... And they respond to this game like it basically invented warm water.
Like they seemed oblivious to how many games have done the "lets randomly generate an entire galaxy" thing since the 80s, that the whole procedurally generated culture thing is obviously pioneered by Dwarf Fortress, etc...

Don't get me wrong, it really looks like a cool game, and it's basically a modern Elite/Noctis/Spore crossover done right.

It just pisses me off how these kids have a small Youtube career based on being so starry eyed naive about gaming history that they believe everything they see in this game is a brilliant innovation. When really they didn't mention a single thing that isn't taken from games that are at least 10 years old, some more like 30 years old.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:47:40 2016 No.3060559

>>3060054
Samefag from
>>3060553
here.

I just wanted to add, pre 90s kids aren't altogether blameless. You'd be surprised how many people from our generation still believe crap like, Id Software having invented 3D gaming, and stuff like that.
And here is where I get on my hobby horse, which is that so many people, including our generation, including a lot of people on this board, do not know what Ultima Underworld is.
Unforgivable imho desu senpai

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:51:44 2016 No.3060565 >>3060339 >Except Nintendo saved video games. Video games weren't even dying so there's nothing to save.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:51:58 2016 No.3060567

>>3060553
Fucking nailed it.

I missed out on a lot of 80s gaming, but I've been going through a lot of it over the last few years and I'm constantly amazed at what the old designers tried to do with the limited hardware at their disposal. Devs in the 1980s were just as smart and just as ambitious as anybody in the industry today, if not more so. The tools just weren't there yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:52:14 2016 No.3060568 >>3060549 This. Their ideologies are ripe with hypocrisy and double standards. They're fighting injustice with more injustice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:52:17 2016 No.3060569 >>3060054 >Revisionist history You mean "things only underage faggots say"?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 20:59:37 2016 No.3060584
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>>3060549
>>3060568
>Listen, and understand! That SJW is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are triggered too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 23:35:05 2016 No.3060916 >>3060308 SJWs pretty much run government policy for most of the Western world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 23:45:05 2016 No.3060934 >Digimon ripped off Pokemon

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 23:51:55 2016 No.3060945 >>3060356 Well, we weeded out the kid real fast in this thread. Gj fellas.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 00:19:06 2016 No.3060965

>The NES was innovative and saved gaming
>Sega created Sonic the Hedgehog to compete with Mario
>The Super Nintendo had superior hardware to the Mega Drive
>>3060092
The worst thing is when people say 'video game crash' when they really mean 'American home game console crash'. The rest of the world didn't have a market crash and neither did American arcades or computer games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 00:22:22 2016 No.3060973 >>3060382 They were only successful in Japan and North America.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:34:03 2016 No.3061317 >>3060054 >Earthbound is a good game

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:41:39 2016 No.3061326

>>3060965
Hm well I dont know... Wouldnt you reserve that sentiment for when they explicitly claim that it was a world wide crash? I mean, it was, after all, a video game market crash, no? So it's not really incorrect or even that misleading to just call it "the video game crash of the mid eighties" or whatever

>>	NESfag Sun Mar 13 05:42:21 2016 No.3061328 OoT innovated and created many things which already existed long before it on PC. Sweet Home created survival horror, despite behind hardly even survival horror at all and despite Zombi coming out years before it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:43:45 2016 No.3061334 >>3061317 It was not popular in America at the time of release, but it was always popular and loved in Japan. If anything, the revisionism on Earthbound is the "EB is a bad/meme game!" one because of the western fanbase the past half decade.

NESfag Sun Mar 13 05:47:20 2016 No.3061338

>>3061328

And also, not just OoT, in general, tends of people (from youtube reviewers to people on forums, or here) tend to call X or Y console game innovative for whatever reason, despite those had existed on PC long before.

That is because the whole "retro gamer" thing is mostly centered around consoles, and most don't know shit about PC. This seems to be especially true in the US.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:47:38 2016 No.3061340 >>3060541 Giving far too much credit to a wide organisation whose only uniting feature is being offended.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:49:34 2016 No.3061342

>>3060054
I think one of the worst is "Genesis was winning the console war until Sega dun goofed on stupid add ons and the brilliant Nintendo releases DKC and Earthbound and BTFO Sega into their rightful second place"

The thing is...that never happened on a local level. Genesis was always winning in the West, SNES was always winning in Japan. Genesis sales slowed down in the West, SNES sales picked up, Japan SNES dominance continued but the local status quo never changed.

SNES got higher global sales on the back of
Japan success and the narrowing of Western sales but it never won in the West.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:51:06 2016 No.3061343 >>3060124 More like another bale on the poor animal/s corpse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:52:07 2016 No.3061345 >>3060341 >No, because soccer moms don't give a fuck about social justice. Their objections are ones of conservative moral values, not anti-oppression. So, SJWs?

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:53:55 2016 No.3061348

>>3060324
>SJWs have gotten huge and video games have turned into a political battleground.

You kids and your gamergate. Turn of your computer, head out into the real world, and you'll find that no one cares.

>Well of course you don't see how they're different when you don't even know anything about SJWs.
I'm not sure you understood my post. I was complaining about people who blame SJWs for the policies brought in by Christians and conservatives. Not saying Christians and conservatives are SJWs.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:54:34 2016 No.3061350

>>3060323
On that note, people who say "We need the ESRB to regulate games or the gov't will".

No. That is now how it works. It was ruled in the past (and upheld multiple times) that the first amendment also applies to media such as books, movies, and games. It's just that no retailer will do business (which is another story). Nothing stops me from making a game and selling it without an ESRB rating. Sure, it'll be a hard sell, but I would be legally and constitutionally entitled to do that without any form of legal harassment.

In the strange alternate universe where it's truth, people need to remember that there are unrated movies and definitely no age restrictions on books.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 05:56:04 2016 No.3061351 >>3061348 Nobody mentioned gamergate. You trying to stop the conversation, anon?

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 06:26:54 2016 No.3061385

>>3060442
It's not a social environment that forces quotas but a marketing one. Gaming has grown since the 90s, the amount spent on development has grown, hence why publishers want to maximise the return. They want developers to include content to apeal to blacks cus they want their money, they want developers to appeal to women cus they want their money, ditto for gays, ditto for any other group.

The marketing teams of major publishers are responsible for what you're complaining about and they aren't motivated by any political goal, only the desire to maximise profits, and they have far more influence than the evil army of feminist vloggers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 06:34:38 2016 No.3061395 >>3061385 How do you appeal to women, gays, and blacks, anon? Hard mode: Don't make stereotypes

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 06:43:12 2016 No.3061406 That videogames originally started out as a niche male-exclusive hobby. Why is it that many nerdy hobbies started out fairly mainstream and only became niche later on?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 06:50:00 2016 No.3061414 >>3061395 Why can't I include steretereotypes? They don't come from nowhere. Marketing doesn't care about what's pc, only what works.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 06:52:43 2016 No.3061420

>>3061414
Because I knew it would make my point; in order to "appeal to a group", you have to make sexist, racist, and homophobic assumptions.

End result: You end up reinforcing those stereotypes, which drives away people who do not conform to those stereotypes, and message boards across the internet pan you for "SJW bullshit" and "Thinking blacks are all ghetto rats".

Know what appeals to me? Well written characters and thought-out settings.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 08:29:39 2016 No.3061554 >>3061420 And? As I said, the aim is to get sales, not make a political point. You're too obsessed with politics to look at this from a buisness point of view.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 08:40:08 2016 No.3061568
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Maybe if the cranky reactionary douchebags could take their paranoid delusions of the world being run by hysterical college lesbians back to /pol/ where it "belongs",
then the rest of us could have a conversation that's actually worth having, such as it being actually on fucking topic

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 10:32:07 2016 No.3061754

>>3060054
SJWs, soccer moms, I hate them both. Soccer moms were pretty much the SJWs of the 90s and 2000s. I know they're technically diametrically opposed politically, but really, what's the fucking difference between the far left and the far right? Communism and fascism are basically the same fucking thing.

I'm anti authoritarian, anti censorship, and all around anti bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 11:57:38 2016 No.3061884 >>3061754 The differences are huge, but this isn't the board to discuss it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 12:20:10 2016 No.3061919 >>3061754 >Communism and fascism are basically the same fucking thing. Jesus Christ, that's why certain people shouldn't have the right to vote.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 12:21:21 2016 No.3061921 File: 3 KB, 320x200, 3-Demon_(screenshot).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3060054 >The 5th generation invented 3d TFW I was playing 3D games before a lot of the people complaining about 3D coming along and ruining gaming were even born.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:01:18 2016 No.3062464

>>3061919
Yeah, because they basically boil down to the same thing; ultra-authoritarian regimes based around oppressing the little guy. The only real difference is that fascism encourages privatization, albeit privatization in areas with government approval, which usually means the military in most such regimes.

It's been a number of years since I've taken high school social studies, so there's probably some shit I don't remember. Yes, I probably sound like an ignorant asshat, but that's because I don't know everything there is to know, and I'll admit that.

Liberal democracies have their problems, but overall they usually work out the best. Instead of worrying about things like where I'm going to get my next meal, or not getting killed in the streets, I just whine about #firstworldproblems BS like how the low Canadian dollar makes it more expensive for me to buy stuff online.

Sage for offtopic. I probably should've done it the first time.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:09:30 2016 No.3062484
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>>3062464
When regimes that call themselves communist do that, they are not communist anymore than they are democratic (which they also invariably call themselves)
When fascist regimes do it, you get exactly what it says on the tin.
Learn the difference.
The best way to help fascism rise, btw, is to scapegoat leftist activists for fucking everything that goes wrong in your life.
Now if you'd excuse us,
>>>/pol/ is <-- that way,
I believe the grown ups were talking about old video games you don't seem to care much about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:15:57 2016 No.3062502 >>3062484 You're referring to the democratic republic of china/north korea? You both sound like uninformed morons, no offense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:25:46 2016 No.3062524 File: 37 KB, 244x325, e10e0614-be16-4dfd-a391-f4ac69b3f337..png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3062484 Have you even read my fucking posts? I don't support fascism, in fact I'm heavily opposed to it. Anyway, this should reinforce my point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:29:31 2016 No.3062531 >>3060089 don't forget that they never read a manual in their lives and think that needing to map a game yourself or needing to write down information to remember for later makes a game bad.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:34:07 2016 No.3062542

>/vr/ - Retro Games

Today on Retro Games, I learned that feminists are hellbent on undermining traditional values, practice witchcraft and forcibly convert young girls to lesbianism with their highly developed mind-control powers. They're also in league with the Jewish Illuminati who controls all forms of media, and is using it to indoctrinate the world with intensely liberal and pro-Muslim ideologies. When all of the men have been sufficiently emasculated by said ideals and all the firearms in the Western world have been destroyed, then the Muslim world will be free to initiate its massive takeover of Anglo civilization.

... and all of this for want of a strong race-realist leader. /pol/ was right, guys! Vote Trump 2016!

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:38:11 2016 No.3062552
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OK whatever, I'll bite
>>3062524
lol yeah because "the day of the ropes" i.e. outright genocide of blacks and jews in america compares to censorship laws. Seriously, it's amazing how hysterical people go over the completely banale fact that there are college students that are confused about political activism.
And you may be opposed to fascism or think you are, did I imply otherwise? No, I didn't
>>3062502
pretty much every regime that has called itself communist up to now, well OK, Marxist-Socialist, to be technically correct. They weren't exactly very emancipating for workers in the way Marx would have had it, did you notice?

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:44:13 2016 No.3062564

>>3062542
>I learned that feminists are hellbent on undermining traditional values
This is objectively, 100% true.

Our grandparents and great-grandparents would recoil at the rampant divorces, promiscuity, meaningless sex, abortions, single motherhood and unstable relationships of this generation. It is an "undermining of traditional values" however you look at it.

You can't even build a strawman without spitting some truths, sad t.b.h.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 17:57:14 2016 No.3062584
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>N64 aged badly
All my friends made fun of N64 at the time. >"everything looks like it's wrapped in a carpet"
>"why is it so fuzzy?"
>"The music sounds like super nintendo"
>"Games are exspensive as hell"

PSX was superior. N64 had some great hits, but it's library wasn't as consistent as sony's. Golden Eye and Wrestling Games were the life of the party, but the best games were on PSX.

Everyones n64 nostalgia is weird ... the only people I remember liking n64 in high school (for anything beyond golden eye and wrestling games) were the pussy's who hung out in the classroom at lunch time and were friends with the teacher. Like BLAST CORPS was a pussy's version of Twisted Metal. Fuck n64 it sucked then, it didn't AGE BADLY it just always sucked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:10:14 2016 No.3062615 >>3062542 >tfw before /pol/ was created, saying "nigger" would cause anons to redirect you to /b/ >tfw after /pol/ was created, every opinion-based thread because MUH SJWS MUH JEWS MUH NIGGERS IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME YOU'RE AGAINST ME!!!!

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:10:45 2016 No.3062618
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>>3062564
hey idiot, the post you reply to isnt making fun of you for believing they are undermining traditional values, it's making fun of you for believing people somehow got tricked into abandoning them, rather than having freed themselves from having them forced upon them.
It's just a really funny joke to most of us how you seem to think college leftists rule the world, rather than the extremely right wing and reactionary conglomerate of big corporations and their political servants. When in reality leftist activists who actually know wtf they are doing are literally being persecuted by the FBI and Western intelligence agencies, get thrown in jail over nothing and are completely shut out from the "liberal" mainstream media.
But OK we need to have Chanty Binx paraded in front of us daily to remind us of what a big fat smelly doodoo head you are when you veer to the left of Hillary Clinton.
Speaking of Chanty Binx, it's really amazing how literally everyone on the internet has managed to miss the point that she's actually trying to convince the mra guys in that video that she's not for taking away the rights they claim she would. I guess that's because you have to be on the left to be in an echo chamber, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:19:32 2016 No.3062642 >>3062584 > Like BLAST CORPS was a pussy's version of Twisted Metal. Did you even play the fucking thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:21:06 2016 No.3062647 >>3062642 Don't respond to dumbasses who couldn't afford an N64, dude. Blast Corps is fucking awesome, and anybody who disagrees needs to get good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:21:18 2016 No.3062649 >>3060462 >the sega master system was good. kek, no it wasn't

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:25:51 2016 No.3062665 >>3060248 honestly SA1 is pretty bad though. 2 isn't that bad, but 1 is definite shit. I played both of these before I knew it was a meme to call them bad too. Adventure 1 is just not a good game

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:30:00 2016 No.3062678

>>3061338
that's largely because consoles are easier, the same reason they're popular now. There's no hard part to getting original hardware to run or in getting emulators to run (for most systems). There are plenty of pitfalls to getting old PCs and PC games to run by comparison. And of course it's much easier to just go out and buy an NES and games right now than it is to do the same for old PC hardware/software. There's just more publicity, just like in the past.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:33:33 2016 No.3062690

Some more content to ward off the polfags:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUZfpcpt5s

I found this video relevant enough, it's a small documentary of sorts someone made for Youtube about forgotten genre defining games and the misconceptions people have about the genres' histories.
I found it to be surprisingly knowledgeable, personally.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:33:41 2016 No.3062691

>>3062464
One views the nation state as supreme the other is committed to abolishing both. The fact they have sometimes employ similar methods towards their very different ends does not make them similar. There's further differences, but really we should take this to /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:35:12 2016 No.3062697 >>3062690 >52 minutes pass

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:44:02 2016 No.3062739

>>3062697
What, you never watch a non fictional show that's longer than half an hour? Like a documentary or a report?
I'm pretty sure it contains info over 95% of us had no clue about.
You could just watch a bit, you know, it's not like it has a plot leading up to a plot twist heavy finale...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:46:34 2016 No.3062746 >>3062647 I owned a p133, n64, psx, saturn, AND 32X, plus all previous gen consoles. Suck on that nintendrone

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:11:01 2016 No.3062836

>>3062615
>>tfw before /pol/ was created, saying "nigger" would cause anons to redirect you to /b/

Literally never happened except on /co/. Fuck off already, the only one who started this conversation was the anon who thinks SJWs have nothing to do with censorship, then cries when he's challenged on that notion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:13:01 2016 No.3062843 >>3062836 Are you still here dude? Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:16:32 2016 No.3062859 File: 26 KB, 292x343, 1359369862277.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3062843 This was my first post in the thread. If you want a safe space, going back to tumblr would be more appropriate for you.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:20:30 2016 No.3062875

>>3062859
What I want is a moron free space. Maybe an off topic free space.
But OK I should have explained why you are just wrong the first time I responded to you.
The reason you are wrong, is because the poster you referred to actually claimed that SJW's aren't responsible for censorship in games. Not that they have nothing to do with it.
Now back to your containment board.
>>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:27:30 2016 No.3062905 >>3062542 >Jewish Illuminati It's the Jewish Illuminati Reptilians, anon. Get it right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:42:46 2016 No.3062973 >>3062542 Be careful with fire, you'll burn your strawman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:59:44 2016 No.3063042 >>3061406 When exactly were videogames niche? certain kind of games were/are certainly niche and being way into them is a niche. But I can't remember videogames being niche or boys only

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:08:36 2016 No.3063079

>>3062875
>SJW's aren't responsible for censorship in games.

Well they are. We could go into a discussion about why that is, but I also don't want to go too off-topic.

Even proto-SJWs were responsible for it, thye just didn't have access to internet so it wasn't as common or easy to notice for the average person.

>What I want is a moron free space. Maybe an off topic free space.
This is hilarious. This is the guy who brought up the subject: >>3060204

Then you proceed to attack anyone who calls him out and complain about the /pol/ boogeyman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:11:44 2016 No.3063093 >>3063079 >but I also don't want to go too off-topic. That ship sailed long ago, mate. If you're gonna spout your opinion then you may as well back it up.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:20:13 2016 No.3063121

>>3063093

Recently there was a huge drama about what was considered to be "rape" and "medicating the gay away" in Fire Emblem: Fates by the likes of tumblr when a transcript from the game was released.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fire-emblem-fates-homophobia-gay-character-nintendo-3ds-rpg-drugged-turn-her-straight-1508953
http://nichegamer.com/2015/07/the-story-behind-fire-emblem-fates-completely-falsified-gay-conversion/

Nintendo responded to it, and they did end up changing the scene to make it less "offensive" even though there was nothing offensive about it in the first place, and it was simply misinterpreted because all people had to go on was a transcript.

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/01/21/fire-emblem-fates-will-controversial-dialogue-removed-west/

We can assume a lot of censorship in the game and in other games as well is done for similar reasons, considering how companies have been responding to this sort of drama recently (see the Tomodachi Life controversy for example). Lots of people in the industry have commented on the situation, the developers of DOAX3 cited it as the reason why they wouldn't release the game here, Yoshinori Ono talked about it, etc.

It's not just in games either, you see the same thing in other media, especially comic books, or on college campuses.

http://www.avclub.com/article/marvel-cancels-milo-manara-covers-after-spider-wom-209593
http://www.dailywire.com/news/889/disney-wants-remove-slave-leia-merchandise-thanks-james-barrett

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:21:31 2016 No.3063125

>>3063121
>>3063093

Even proto-SJWs tried to get games censored. Some feminist groups got the game Custer's Revenge banned in certain states. It's just that now with the internet and information being so widely available and shared, it's a lot more common and also easier to notice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge
>Andrea Dworkin claimed the game "generated many gang rapes of Native American women."[8] Activists tried pressuring legislators to outlaw the game, which Oklahoma City, Oklahoma did.[9] Multiple Industries pursued an $11 million lawsuit against Suffolk County, New York and legislator Philip Nolan "because of a resolution authorizing the county executive to take action to halt sales and distribution" of the game.[10]

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:36:00 2016 No.3063157

>>3060491
>it's plausible that a Christian moralist born in 1940 would have become an SJW had she been born in 1990 instead.

been studying Christian history recently:

your time periods are off. 1860s-1890s wesleyan-descended Christians (methodists, various holiness movement churches, etc) would have definitely been the sjws of their day....they were modernist Christians responsible for shit like prohibition, female sufferage, granola and grape juice. all that filthy liberal shit :^)

in the 40s, you would have seen fundamentalism, Pentecostalism, and various apocalyptic Christian denominations come onto the rise. they were far less concerned about social issues than the 1890s groups, because they believed the world would end soon and thus it wasn't worth "saving the world".

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:43:32 2016 No.3063174 >>3060403 >Your personal experiences don't define reality neither does pandering to statistics and news stories in order to force a narrative to exist.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:44:36 2016 No.3063179

>>3063125
>>3063121
>>3063079
OK like are you morons not aware that the vast bulk of censorship of games is of the right wing "muh traditional values" type? And that this is where the notion comes from in the first place?
The clout the people you are willing to recognize as "SJW's" is minute compared to that. Like what is even your problem, do you genuinely not realize this?
Also,
>>3063121
this isn't censorship. This is members of the audience and potential customers making clear they dont need that shit and a company altering its product accordingly. You should check your delusions of persecution
>>3063125
> BAAAWWW MUH RAPE GAME
lol, like, yeah, I bet the founding fathers are turning in their grave over that one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:53:25 2016 No.3063209 File: 54 KB, 500x329, Luke Kylewalker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3063179 2/10 see me after class

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:58:38 2016 No.3063218 >>3063209 Oh look you ran out of actual arguments, shouldn't you just pretend the post doesn't exist at all like you polfags usually do?

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:01:14 2016 No.3063225

>>3063121
>We can assume a lot of censorship in the game and in other games as well is done for similar reasons, considering how companies have been responding to this sort of drama recently (see the Tomodachi Life controversy for example). Lots of people in the industry have commented on the situation, the developers of DOAX3 cited it as the reason why they wouldn't release the game here, Yoshinori Ono talked about it, etc.

Sure, that's part of the political climate now. It wasn't several decades ago, which is the point brought up much earlier in this discussion - it was largely conservative groups railing against things in the media that they didn't morally agree with. The FCC and ratings boards like the MPAA and ESRB responded by tightening their grip on ratings standards.

For instance, movies or video games with gay characters (non-sexualized) might automatically bump the rating up to PG-13 or R, or T or M in the case of video games. This resulted in the censorship of Harvest Moon in the West, and the handheld versions of The Sims (on Nintendo platforms)

Now we have companies paying attention to even more whiny groups, namely your Tumblr social justice types. That doesn't mean conservatives are out of the picture. 4channers don't complain about the conservative groups anymore because this site has adopted such a ludicrous far-right bias - likely because you guys are too young to comprehend what's going on outside your college campuses, and have actually convinced yourselves that Tumblr's ideals represent a majority viewpoint. Nowhere else but 4chan do I hear this kind of nonsense about how SJWs have somehow inexplicably taken over..

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:06:48 2016 No.3063242

>>3063225
You are forgetting that what these whiny polfag/gamergate faggots call "censorship" usually is nothing of the kind, in fact most of it is just feminist consumer groups making clear they are not OK with a game having that kind of content, so they won't buy it.
Because boycott = censorship, right??
Also,
>>3063121
thats bs, because it literally explicitly has the one character drugging the other to have straight sex. Think of a game having that what you will, but dont deny that that is what is actually in the game just because "SJW's" point it out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:11:44 2016 No.3063251 File: 78 KB, 1306x354, 1455904994021.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder to all pol fags. /vr/ gets enough shitposting from /v/ kiddies and you shit up every other board with your shit. You and SJWs are shit tier beta c u c ks

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:16:43 2016 No.3063262 I hate it when people try to convince you that doom is the first fp- oh nevermind the great internet autism war has spilled over into the thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:19:50 2016 No.3063269 >>3063251 Pretty sure they don't give a fuck, jim.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:25:45 2016 No.3063279

>>3063225
>it was largely conservative groups railing against things in the media that they didn't morally agree with. The FCC and ratings boards like the MPAA and ESRB responded by tightening their grip on ratings standards.

It was both. People like Herb Kohl, Hillary Clinton, Tipper Gore, Joe Lieberman, Leland Yee, etc. were all prominent democrats who attacked videogames. People like Kohl and Lieberman are why the ESRB was created. I think activist groups were also why Capcom decided to turn Poison into "newhalf" when they released here, because of concern of "violence against women". But yeah, there were a lot of Christian and conservative groups as well, same retards who seriously who thought Dungeons & Dragons was the devil and thought Mazes and Monsters was a documentary, but they haven't been relevant in a while.

No one is denying that gay characters weren't as accepted 30 years ago, I don't know why you're bringing this up now.

>That doesn't mean conservatives are out of the picture.
Tell me the last time "conservatives" got something censored here. Not seeing it, seems like you're just trying to deflect and implying anyone critical of one side is "far-right".

>Nowhere else but 4chan do I hear this kind of nonsense about how SJWs have somehow inexplicably taken over..
You're either lying, or you just don't go anywhere else. Either way, 4chan is one of the places on the internet where you can openly be critical of all this bullshit.

>>3063242

Please yourself back to tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:26:48 2016 No.3063281 >>3060289 Didn't Sega basically break even on the Sega CD? They didn't lose money on it, but they didn't make much of a profit either.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:41:00 2016 No.3063323

Welp, looks like this thread has devolved into a bunch of off topic political mudslinging, and I now regret encouraging it by posting my opinions on the matter.

SJWs and soccer moms suck because they're both thin skinned pussies who can't accept that some people don't mind rude, crude, violent games. End of story.

Back on topic, it irks me when people insist that Doom was the first FPS, and that GoldenEye was the first good console FPS. Clearly, none of these people have played the 1991 Gameboy release "Faceball 2000". It's simplistic as hell, but it's fucking cool for its time and the system it was released for. They're were even earlier versions for systems like the Atari ST.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:48:25 2016 No.3063341

>>3063279
> Tell me the last time
The entire premise behind any actual censorship law in the US is conservative. The rationale behind these laws is "maintaining public decency" and the idea that the state should protect people from their own "obscenity". This has nothing whatsoever to do with combating stereotypes that are perceived to hinder emancipation.
But yeah I admit there is also a lot of "censorship" by SJW's in the form of them telling companies they don't like to see certain things in games, obviously this is the biggest threat to freedom and democracy ever.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:09:11 2016 No.3063376

>>3063341
>telling companies they don't like to see certain things in games

Yes, telling people you don't like things by saying those things are immoral and damaging to society and by putting them in media you're not being socially responsible and you're encouraging sexism/rape/murder/whatever, threatening and boycotting the developers or attempting to get them fired, getting stores to stop selling the games, etc.

You're lucky to have the first amendment in the US, but dismissing corporate censorship or any other form of censorship, or ignoring the reasoning behind censorship laws in other countries is stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:24:17 2016 No.3063406 >>3063269 Of course not they're just super autistic kids with tinfoil hats on their head, bob.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:26:03 2016 No.3063415

>>3063376
OK, so indeed, you are willing to completely ignore the actual, literal censorship laws that exist in the US,
and instead you'd rather whinge and whine about emancipation movements behaving like consumer groups as if that is somehow "censorship".
lol.
Well, at least we now agree that this is what you are doing, right?

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:43:33 2016 No.3063442
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>>3063415

I'm not ignoring them, just saying they're not relevant here. Obscenity laws are why CP is illegal. This isn't inherently left-wing or right-wing. In fact obscenity laws were influenced by people like Dworkin who were hugely anti-porn.

>and instead you'd rather whinge and whine about emancipation movements behaving like consumer groups as if that is somehow "censorship".
>"""emancipation""" movements (because trying to censor anything you don't like is "emancipating")
>consumer groups (as if most of these people are even consumers)
>it's not censorship unless the government does it
>lol.

I can't even tell if this is trolling anymore. You should take this kind of shit back to tumblr.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:48:15 2016 No.3063451 >>3063442 yeah what is this guy doing mentioning actual censorship laws in a discussion about who is responsible for censorship, must be a troll. Better greentext more to make it seem you have a point calling organized criticism "censorship"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 22:53:13 2016 No.3063459 File: 55 KB, 410x380, 1360103257843.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3063451 >ORGANIZED CRITICISM

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 23:00:12 2016 No.3063478 >>3063459 These companies are free to keep in their game whatever they please. No one is actually forcing them to do anything. But we get it, to cryptofascists like you, power isn't "totalitairan" unless it is based on nothing but popular demands.

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Anonymous Sun Mar 13 23:15:16 2016 No.3063507

>>3063478

You're free to have organized groups promoting censoring content you don't like, but people who don't agree with those demands will point out how they disagree with them and how they don't like it. Why does that bother you so much?

>These companies are free to keep in their game whatever they please.
And I'm free not to wear a coat when I go outside during winter. Not gonna happen though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 23:44:41 2016 No.3063549 >>3063442 >Obscenity laws are why CP is illegal this is your contribution to the thread, right? Your revisionist history?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 00:06:07 2016 No.3063576
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I hate when /pol/ invades /vr/... or any board for that matter. I swear /pol/niggers are the modern furries of 4chan. Even worse in fact. Stick to your containment shithouse faggots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 00:16:40 2016 No.3063590 >>3063576 Yeah man, it's "/pol/" making posts like this: >>3063242 >>3063179 >>3063415

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 01:18:30 2016 No.3063670
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>>3060054
When some game mechanic/gimmick gets called revolutionary/innovative even though it was already used 20-30 years ago in games. That kinda annoys me.

Like this guy said >>3060553

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:05:57 2016 No.3063718 >>3060089 I genuinely think it feels janky to strafe using shoulder buttons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:12:52 2016 No.3063730 File: 14 KB, 197x213, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3060091

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:31:39 2016 No.3063752

>>3060447
I like this post. Only thing I'd add is that outside of 4chan and some tv shows and Internet and crap, i really don't see a cultural force of, like, comedians or something acting up against the new type of hand-wringers. Nothing very mainstream. Like, it was easy to mock uptight Christian mothers, and even kind of admirable and "cool." But the "counter culture" of today seems pretty split on fighting the sjw busybodies. I think it's hard to tell them to mind their own business without being painted as a racist sexist whatever. It's a weird rhetorical trap where you say the offensive thing to subvert them, but then you actually look like you hate niggers, when really you don't give a shit. And the sjws don't seem obvious enough that you can just make them into a caricature and mock that, like you could with uptight moms (Helen lovejoy on The Simpsons for example). Plus the mainstream seems very reluctant to provoke them in general (because most of them believe the same simple shit). Anyways. I'll sleep now. Main point is I hope some comedians figure out a way to convey disdain for busybodies without attacking minorities and women or whatever, since most of the individuals from "oppressed" or "disadvantaged" groups that I'm friends with don't really give a shit about sjw stuff. It's mostly white kids who only know about black people through media and deluded hippie college professors.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:34:14 2016 No.3063849

>>3063507
No that's bullshit, it just isn't real censorship.
The proof is that what these "SJW's" are doing is so absolutely innocuous, that from pure legal principle
1) not only doesn't there need to be a law to enable them to do what they are doing
2) there is absolutely no legal grounds to stop them
not within modern law with its requirements of transparency and reference to precedents and while there is freedom of speech.
And you know it too.
To then claim that it is censorship is absurd because that both depends on and even constitutes some form of (proper legal) regulation and is open to it.
QED
So tell us, why are you being such a massive hypocrite?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 05:03:51 2016 No.3063856

"Games are worse now than they used to be."

This really gets my goat. I've said this once, and I will say it again.

If you asked a bunch of people to name the top ten games they've played on any single system, you will get a huge amount of overlapping answers. However, if you asked someone to name the ten worst games they've played on any system, you would get a very diverse list of bad games.

Nowadays, we have the internet, a higher population, stronger computers, and decades of game development. If a bad game is afoot in the 90s, it will get a mention in a magazine and a scathing review. Nowadays, it becomes a fucking meme.

Everyone here will claim that they hate COD or Halo, but I would like to ask those people; can you prove that you actually played one of those games? I don't think you can.

Same with literally all games being "harder". They were likely harder because you were a total retard at basic tactical concepts. Little kids have a hard time understanding the concept of investment (buffs, debuffs, delaying certain things for better stats later). What was your Pokemon team like back when you started playing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 05:48:56 2016 No.3063892 >>3063121 Nintendo have always been very sensitive about anything remotely sexual in their games. That's not SJWs taking over the industry, that's Nintendo being Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:15:40 2016 No.3064038 >>3063856 >Everyone here will claim that they hate COD or Halo Nah, there are a few games in the CoD series I like, and I like Halo.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:21:08 2016 No.3064109

>>3063856
>can you prove that you actually played one of those games? I don't think you can.

This is the real key. Most /vr/ people who complain about how terrible modern games are don't even play them. They look at a top 10 list, scoff and that's it. So they throw out all sorts of opinions, but they're based on a very shallow experience and understanding.

The result is they come off like Homer Simpson saying it's a scientific fact that rock attained perfection in 1974. Which is to say, someone with a laughable understanding of what they're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:23:18 2016 No.3064113 >>3064109 >The result is they come off like Homer Simpson saying it's a scientific fact that rock attained perfection in 1974. But that's accurate. Don't tell me you're trying to say the 60s were better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:29:16 2016 No.3064119 File: 62 KB, 470x264, carradine smile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3064113 The sad thing is, around here I wouldn't be surprised if you were serious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:51:01 2016 No.3064151 >>3064119 Of course I am. But if you want to hear from people who hate modern games but play them obsessively anyway, there's always /v/ I guess.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:52:57 2016 No.3064154
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>>3063752
The problem with the modern concept of political correctness (social justice! it just sounds cooler!) is the hard counter to the entire lexicon is "you don't have the right to not be offended." Because that's basically all that needs to be said. To the point it doesn't even need to be said. So the hip rebrand of political correctness just gets more and more insane as college kids try to out politically correct one-another while the opposition just looks on in amused superiority.

Conversely, the relationship between conservative Christians litigating censorship is a lot stronger than >>3060447 realizes. As Christians started off just talking directly to mass media outlets, only to be ignored because their demands were completely unreasonable/insane, which angered them, and caused them to go for litigation. The problem is cowtowing to the modern versions of the same types of people (those who demand others adhere to their values) just gives the groups an inflated sense of efficacy. Especially since the targets of their bitching, most of the time, are people putting out extremely niche products that will never achieve mainstream success anyway. Creating a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. The extremely niche product loses marketability with the narrow demographic that wanted it in the first place and the bitching group would never have bought it either. Making the content producer/localize think they either can't win or the answer is to "localize" more.

Of course the best example of the utter insanity of localization is poison. Capcom just THOUGHT, without any sort of proof or outcry, that women in the US would be upset about violence against women. So they said poison was a crossdresser. Because they knew the people they'd piss off with violence against crossdressers were infinitesimal compared to the people they'd piss off with violence against women.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:57:33 2016 No.3064163 >>3064109 rock did peak in the 70s though. As a result it fractured and mutated into a host of completely separate and identifiable genres.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:58:14 2016 No.3064164 >>3064151 You legitimately think 1974 was the height of rock n roll? How does it feel to be a walking joke? /v/ is actually pretty up on games for the most part. Compared to here at least.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:00:39 2016 No.3064171

>>3063856
>try to claim games haven't gotten easier and easier over time
>use a literal child's game as an example

People who say games are easier now are comparing modern home games to arcade games. Arcade games fucking hated the player, because that translated to more quarters.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:06:06 2016 No.3064175
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>>3064171
There are some modern games that are very very hard though and partially because they rely on things arcade games and the like used to do.

Super Meatboy wasn't my thing but apparently gets quite hard. Though in it you always respawn quickly which throws that out a little.

This series though, Rabi Laby looks like a cutesy indie baby game but is one of the most sadistic puzzle platformers ever.

In general though, most people didn't like old arcade difficulty so most games aren't designed for it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:09:14 2016 No.3064178

>>3064175
>most people
and that's the problem. Designing games for an imagined image of "most people." Or worse, people who don't like games in the first place! The people who were only willing to playtest the game at all because you're paying them by the hour.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:18:54 2016 No.3064185

>>3064178
>Designing games for an imagined image of "most people."

Who says it's an imagined image though? Like Call of Duty, it's not a game I like but it's clearly a game a lot of people like. That's why they make them like that.

The reason old style arcade games don't get made as much these days is they're not as popular so there's less incentive to go after that market. Unless it's still thriving like the fighting game community or something.

>The people who were only willing to playtest the game at all because you're paying them by the hour.

Playtesting is a super shitty job that pays terribly. No one does it who isn't already kind of obsessed with playing games.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:24:47 2016 No.3064195

>>3064185
>they're not as popular
This isn't true though. The history of the video game industry has been stable demographics abandoned in favor of larger demographics. With "people who don't play or even like video games" being the unicorn everyone is chasing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:28:08 2016 No.3064201
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>>3063856
>Everyone here will claim that they hate COD or Halo, but I would like to ask those people; can you prove that you actually played one of those games? I don't think you can.

I’ve played every single CoD there has been up to blops. After MW/WaW it has been trash. Waw is when it just became a console port game. The games are trash. The consoles games are especially trash. Modern games are trash.

Don’t go thinking people are just parroting. If you honestly think any big name console FPS such as CoD, Gears, or Halo is anything but trash you are cancer. That is not an exaggeration. You are the cancer killing video games. Let me sum these trash heaps up for you.

Halo. Babies Quake/Unreal with low grav on. Add weapons that do no dmg, shields, and regen health. Man you’re set for consoleshit excitement.

Console shit CoD. Basically babies “hardcore” CS. Regen hp and nerfed to the ground kill streaks. Add dank memes.

Gears. Epic smelled that easy cash from console plebs. Make a shitty corridor hell shooter with regen health. Make it BRUTALLLLLLL and it prints money. Fuck Unreal.

They’re all trash, easy as shit, and just plain cancer that has killed modern games. And don’t kid yourself. These are the same of the games that represent modern gaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:29:52 2016 No.3064202 File: 550 KB, 900x587, gamecube-controllerFront.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nintendo invented analog triggers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:34:12 2016 No.3064209

>>3064195
>This isn't true though.
Okaaay....

>The history of the video game industry has been stable demographics abandoned in favor of larger demographics.

But then you literally just agreed with me. Game developers go for the largest audience they think they can get with the kind of game they're making. There's nothing surprising, new or bad about that. Virtually every market is like that.

>With "people who don't play or even like video games" being the unicorn everyone is chasing.

The way I look at it is developers finding new types of games that appeal to new types of gamers. In the old arcade days there was a very limited number of kinds of games and they were all quite similar. By that token they all appealed to a similar kind of gamer.

But now there are games for people who never would have enjoyed arcade games, but there is a new kind of game they do like. And they've been incredibly successful. Thee days all kinds of people from kids to commuting businessmen and grandmothers all can find games they like.

One day I can be playing fighting games with my old college buddies spread all over the country now and the next I can be running around playing Animal Crossing mini-games with my mom. I think it's all pretty great, personally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:38:50 2016 No.3064218 >>3064202 Weren't they the first? They innovated it anyway since everybody fallowed. PS2 used buttons. Xbox came out later.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:46:09 2016 No.3064228
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>>3064164
>You legitimately think 1974 was the height of rock n roll? How does it feel to be a walking joke?
Like I'm better and smarter than the people around me.

>>3064218
Dreamcast.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:47:43 2016 No.3064231

>>3064201
I don't play FPS games, but I look at the three franchises you mentioned and know they're all incredibly popular and have huge numbers of fans willing to buy and play the games each year.

So then aren't they doing what they set out for? If a game is entertaining a large number of people then it's serving it's purpose. You could say you don't like it, but obviously the game wasn't made to appeal to you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:49:02 2016 No.3064234 >>3064228 >Dreamcast SEGA has never used analog triggers. At least on their consoles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:50:25 2016 No.3064237 >>3064231 Yes because the modern public likes trash. See Uncharted.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:51:16 2016 No.3064239

>>3064209
The point you're frantically dancing around is the fact making games for "new types of gamers" is exponentially easier than advancing the medium by making good games for people who actually give a shit about games. As the former is attracting retards with shiny polished shit.

also you were saying popularity of "old games" diminished/reduced over time, which is crap. As evidenced by the stable sales of the command and conquer series right up to the point where EA unceremoniously killed westwood, because EA didn't want stable sales, they wanted exponentially increasing sales like the console fps genre was getting.

So, no, we aren't in agreement, you're regurgitating modern marketing bullshit and trying to spin it as the way things always have been. In effort to literally revise history. As if you think this is some sort of role playing thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:51:58 2016 No.3064241 >>3064234 You seem very confident about this for some reason.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:55:08 2016 No.3064251

>>3064241
I am because it's one of the reasons why I love the Saturn 3d controller and that tech was carried over to the DC.

XBone controller uses it now too.

And it sets up a nice trap for posers/bandwagon collectors like you that have never opened a SEGA controller to fall into. But for some reason you feel like talking about the tech in controllers.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:59:34 2016 No.3064258

>>3064237
Okay, I despise Uncharted. I think it's one of the worst games I've ever played. But this is my point, that's a game a lot of people love for what it is. So who are you or I to say games like that shouldn't be made when they obviously have an audience?

>The point you're frantically dancing around is the fact making games for "new types of gamers" is exponentially easier than advancing the medium by making good games for people who actually give a shit about games.

Well in my opinion the purpose of games is to be fun. Not to "advance the medium" so as long as games are being made that appeal to people then it's all good. To me that is advancing the medium.

>also you were saying popularity of "old games" diminished/reduced over time

You misunderstand. Their popularity didn't diminish but with more and more gamers, the number of people into arcade games compared to other kinds of games has shifted over the years.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:01:57 2016 No.3064262

>>3064258
>Okay, I despise Uncharted. I think it's one of the worst games I've ever played. But this is my point, that's a game a lot of people love for what it is. So who are you or I to say games like that shouldn't be made when they obviously have an audience?
I never said they shouldn’t be made. I said they’re cancer and modern games are trash because of it. Modern games aren’t made for me. They’re made for retards to be blunt. You literally have a walking simulators selling as best sellers. FUCKING WALKING SIMULATORS.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:09:10 2016 No.3064278
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>>3064262
Well so long as you're not trying to say the walking simulators shouldn't be made for the people who like them. I still think your cancer attitude is funny, but you're free to think whatever you want.

Personally I don't care if people want to play Uncharted and Ass Creed all day. I've got plenty of games I love too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:11:43 2016 No.3064282 >>3064278 I just don't get where people get this idea that modern games are still good. All I play is shit nowhere near the top selling anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:12:46 2016 No.3064285 >>3064251 OK, I was just talking in normal people language, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:14:23 2016 No.3064286 >>3064282 Tell us the five best modern games you've played and I'll tell you what you're doing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:15:51 2016 No.3064289 >>3064201 I think by "modern games are trash" you really mean to say "Modern FPS games are trash".

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:18:47 2016 No.3064292
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>>3064282
>I just don't get where people get this idea that modern games are still good.

The way I look at it, modern games are good because they're serving many many different demographics of gamer. There are games that appeal to people like me who have been obsessed with them for decades and want something really deep and challenging. Then there are games for people who barely want to do anything but farm and click on vegetables, and then there's everything in between.

Your problem seems to be that you look at the top 10 games, see that you weren't the target audience for them and decide that's the end of it. If the top 10 isn't aimed at you anymore then everything is cancer.

To me that's shortsighted. But then I like many different kinds of games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:19:50 2016 No.3064293 >>3064282 >All I play is shit nowhere near the top selling anymore. Why should this matter? Do you only watched top selling movies and listen to top selling music? Are you a literal sheep who can't think for himself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:20:44 2016 No.3064298 >>3064286 define modern

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:21:43 2016 No.3064301 >>3064109 I once saw a guy on twitch ranting about how DmC had QTE bosses and less weapons than the other games. And he banned anyone who corrected him. Complaining about shit you don't know about is autistic as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:22:44 2016 No.3064304 >>3064298 Something in the last five or six years.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:24:02 2016 No.3064305

>>3064301
>Complaining about shit you don't know about is autistic as fuck.

No disagreement there, but you were watching a twitch channel. I will never understand people wanting to watch video of other people playing games. Let alone take their opinions on anything seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:25:47 2016 No.3064309 >>3064301 >Complaining about shit you don't know about is autistic as fuck. If anything, hating the shit you spend all your time thinking about and spend loads of money on is the hallmark of internet autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:28:40 2016 No.3064310 >>3064305 >I will never understand people wanting to watch video of other people playing games Schadenfreude. I watch a guy who often plays I Wanna Be The Guy fangames.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:30:02 2016 No.3064314

>>3064292
>>3064293
The top games are what defines the generation. Since 6th generation I haven't been the target audience of console games. Does it matter much to me? Not really. Do I go and say modern games are great because of that? Nope.
>>3064304
Hmm top 5 in the last 5/6 years...

Well MK8 and Splatoon were surprisingly good. WWHD was also excellent if you want to count remakes. Haven't beat Tropical Freeze yet but I like what I played so far. Guess throw in Mario Maker also. I've been enjoying that.

PC has been all bad. My buddy keeps telling to try Witcher 3 though.
Can say the best actual PC game I've played in the past about 8-9 years was Undertale. Which is a bit sad. Total War Shogun 2 maybe tied.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:32:24 2016 No.3064316 >>3064305 Arino is pretty funny tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:32:32 2016 No.3064317 >>3064314 Oh wait. Total War Shogun 2 is older than 5 or 6 years. Nevermind. Ya just Undertale then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:32:39 2016 No.3064319 >>3064314 Focus on games that have a fun cast of characters or a distinctive art style. That seems your thing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:36:12 2016 No.3064321
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>>3064314
>The top games are what defines the generation.

I don't entirely agree. I think every game is important in defining the generation. Maybe because I've almost never liked the majority of the top 10 games, I'm used to it.

I say modern games are great because they appeal to a wider assortment of gamers than ever before and to me I think that's great.

I don't love everything of course. Tomb Raider was one of my favorite series and now looks like an Uncharted clone which is one of the single worst series of games I've ever played. Castlevania has gone in a direction I hate and King of Fighters barely looks like KoF anymore.

But the way I see it, I can choose to focus on the stuff I don't like or I can look around for what I might like. And I find the more I do that, the more neat stuff I dig up that I really like.

>Well MK8

Did you mean MK9? I really liked 9. Haven't played X yet, but Injustice is one of my favorite fighters of all time. I absolutely love it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:39:13 2016 No.3064325 >>3064321 Mario Kart 8. Sometimes it's a game that was just talked about a lot. Like Tomb Raider in 5thgen. Consoles to me are experiences. Which is why I don't get the whole "make consoles shitty PCs" movement.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:44:56 2016 No.3064332

>>3064325
lol I literally can't see MK and not have my brain think it's Mortal Kombat.

I get the talk about Tomb Raider, I just don't see it as what defines the generation. But then I've never really thought about defining a whole generation like that. I mostly just see piles of games each year, most of which don't interest me but there are always a few I love. Sometimes I have to buy a new system to play them.

I have no console or brand loyalties or anything like that. I play mostly consoles because that's mostly where the games I enjoyed got released. If those move to PC though, I'll follow there.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:54:17 2016 No.3064345

>>3064292
>modern games are good because they're successful
They're successful because they're targeting retards and retards outnumber intelligent people 10 to 1. 100 to 1 if you compare retards who don't give a fuck about video games to intelligent people who give a fuck about video games.

So, this being a good thing in your eyes means either you are a CEO of a huge publisher or you are one of the retards who doesn't give a fuck.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:56:56 2016 No.3064349

>>3064332
>I have no console or brand loyalties or anything like that. I play mostly consoles because that's mostly where the games I enjoyed got released. If those move to PC though, I'll follow there.
Neither do I to an extent. Consoles to me are special. At least they used to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:57:28 2016 No.3064352 >>3064345 >They're successful because they're targeting retards and retards outnumber intelligent people 10 to 1. You're not trolling are you? This is you being completely sincere.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:59:12 2016 No.3064359

>>3064349
>Consoles to me are special. At least they used to be.

Maybe it's this in general that I never got. I don't see anything intrinsically special about them. To me the console is just a conveyance for a game. I have no attachment to them other than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:07:15 2016 No.3064380 >>3064359 Shame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdjYk-fle1o

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:10:54 2016 No.3064390 >>3064380 It's funny that's what you would pick. Even though I don't like any game company much more than any other, Sony is easily my least favorite of all the major ones even including Microsoft. I have no love for them whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:12:33 2016 No.3064394 >>3064390 Anything after PlayStation I don't care about. Still buy their TVs like I have for nearly 30 years now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:21:20 2016 No.3064412

>>3064394
I have almost never had good experience with Sony hardware and I hate their d-pad, that's my only reasoning. Aside from a cassette walkman from the 80's that never broke on me, I went through way too many diskmans, 5 PS1s, 3 PS2s and on my 4th PSP. Compared to Sega and Nintendo which has been near perfect. Aside from a Sega CD I fried I have every original console and handheld still working.

I know people with different experiences, but mine at least have been bad. And holy fuck do I hate the PS dpad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:24:07 2016 No.3064423 >>3064412 It's not great. My original PS1 died also.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:26:16 2016 No.3064428 >>3060419 They went from this to Hard Drivin. let that sink in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:30:30 2016 No.3064432 >>3060095 Not that anon, but tank controls have never bothered me, then or now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:46:37 2016 No.3064459 >>3064412 >>3064423 Also how do you go through 5 PS1s? They aren't that bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:48:29 2016 No.3064461 >>3064352 I wasn't even the first person to say it in this thread. the difference is I'm not dressing it up as something other than chasing the lowest common denominator.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:50:47 2016 No.3064465 >>3064394 Are you black? the only people I've ever met with brand loyalty to sony (beyond consoles) are black. I'm talking people who would only buy sony brand AV equipment so everything would be compatible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:59:01 2016 No.3064471 >>3064465 Sony does make some cheap trash these days. I don't buy that. I don't have any physical movies either so. Wasn't aware Sony TV = nignog now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:08:53 2016 No.3064482 >>3064471 My admittedly anecdotal experiences on this subject span a couple decades

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:10:37 2016 No.3064483 >>3064482 Most people have shit TVs. Even in the battle station threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:10:55 2016 No.3064485 >>3064471 I still really like Sony Headphones, though I'm sure people will call me a pleb for that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:13:16 2016 No.3064487 >>3064485 I use AKG but nothing wrong with Sony. For the price they're pretty great. Their wireless ones are pretty stupid though.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:32:43 2016 No.3064503

>>3064487
> For the price they're pretty great
This is a new development. For decades sony has been the king of overpriced bullshit. But I guess literal nig-nog brands (beat, skullcandy) kinda beat them on that.

and never let it be said this thread did not go places.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 13:47:26 2016 No.3064512 >>3064503 >Sony >overprice shit Pretty much never far as their TVs go. They've always had expensive electronics.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:14:23 2016 No.3064535

>>3063225
What a bunch of horseshit verbal gymnastics. A game was censored by a corporation and cited the reason as avoiding feminist outrage. That is SJW affecting the climate and causing censorship. You're wrong, stop posting, you are a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:18:16 2016 No.3064543 >>3064535 Source? That's what I thought. And no, /v/ isn't a source, "retard".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:20:14 2016 No.3064547 >>3064543 DOAX3 you stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid boy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:20:48 2016 No.3064549 >>3064543 Not him but if you guys are talking about that DoA beach volley ball game it was all over social media when the company announced it.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:35:51 2016 No.3064564

>>3064535
>A game was censored by a corporation and cited the reason as avoiding feminist outrage. That is SJW affecting the climate and causing censorship.

Not him, but is that necessarily bad though? Shouldn't a corporation be conscious of the culture they're releasing something into? I know if I were a shareholder in a video game company I would want them to make damn sure they weren't going to release anything that would get the game or company a lot of backlash.

The exact same way I wouldn't want them to release a game in America with Japanese text because it would hurt sales, if they thought that releasing it with a prepubescent girl in a string bikini would cause backlash then I'd hope they would change that too. Ignoring something like that could be financial suicide.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:39:49 2016 No.3064565

>>3064564
>The exact same way I wouldn't want them to release a game in America with Japanese text because it would hurt sales, if they thought that releasing it with a prepubescent girl in a string bikini would cause backlash then I'd hope they would change that too. Ignoring something like that could be financial suicide.

This is why I hate modern localization and censorship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:45:24 2016 No.3064573 >>3064565 Modern has nothing to do with it, companies have always worked to make games fit the culture they're being translated for. It's just good business. Bionic Commando says hi.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:51:06 2016 No.3064575

>>3064573
>Modern has nothing to do with it
It has everything to do with it.

Look at Working Designs. Nearly every game they touched is better than the original NTSC J version. They fixed bugs. Add things. Removed thing that weren't fun. Even getting english vocals for songs.

Look at modern trash. Things just completely censored out. Horrible translations. Completely inferior to the original NTSC J games.'

>Bionic Commando
Not really all that bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:54:41 2016 No.3064582 >>3064512 Expensive. Not quality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:56:44 2016 No.3064584 >>3064582 The non budget shit is high quality.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 14:57:48 2016 No.3064586
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>>3064575
I fucking despise Working Design's translation philosophy. Every once in a while the changes were decent like the Lunar 2 Star Dragon music, but for the most part it's terrible. Horrible pop culture references and almost every single gameplay change they made was for the worse. They essentially ruined Silhouette Mirage by turning a fast action action game into a mess of attacking enemies multiple times and grinding.

If WD is what you use as a benchmark for a good translation we really have nothing to talk about.

Bionic Commando, like DOA is an example of a company "self censoring" in a good way.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:02:06 2016 No.3064597

>>3064573
There's an absolutely concrete rock solid bedrock foundation of the fucking modern video game industry example of how it literally is entirely a "modern" practice, and its in this very thread. A reference to a character people know of but don't even know what game it is from specifically because of how absurd it was and still is.

>>3064154
>poison

Capcom thinks American feminists/women will have a problem with violence against women. Their response? Change absolutely nothing, claim the character is a crossdresser, and declare localization complete. Because it fucking was. As all that is necessary to appease these groups is lip service. But the modern industry, thinking vocal groups represent actual markets, are going beyond lip service and, instead, attempting to localize for an entirely imaginary market in the most condescending and insulting manner possible.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:03:08 2016 No.3064601
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>>3064586
>If WD is what you use as a benchmark for a good translation we really have nothing to talk about.

Oh please asshole. Show me one other company that has gone to the level they have for localization and translations. The only company coming to my mind was SEGA.

Maybe you don't like them but you can't argue that they didn't put a lot of effort into the games they brought over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ8nyFGuqBo

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:04:41 2016 No.3064606

>>3064584
Like I said, recent development. For decades the pricepoint of sony shit was 2-3 times what was justifiable or even warranted.

But, as I also said, the creation of actual nigger brands of electronics that are simultaneously shit and extremely overpriced, but successful because niggers like bling, has made sony look reasonable by comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:05:55 2016 No.3064608 >>3064606 I think you're a pleb or just hate Sony.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:06:51 2016 No.3064613 >>3064608 >citing historical fact means you hate sony wew lad

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:07:38 2016 No.3064615 >>3064613 >wew lad Yep as I thought. Confirmed child.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:08:19 2016 No.3064618

>>3064597
>There's an absolutely concrete rock solid bedrock foundation of the fucking modern video game industry example of how it literally is entirely a "modern" practice, and its in this very thread. A reference to a character people know of but don't even know what game it is from specifically because of how absurd it was and still is.

Are you talking about Poison?

>>3064601
I would never argue they don't put a lot of effort into their translations, there's no question about that. But I think the effort they put in was at least 95% misdirected and poorly executed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:08:42 2016 No.3064620 >>3064615 Can you blame me for attempting to speak to you on your level? I mean, yea, I guess you can. As we're both just doing our parts to damage the level of discourse.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:12:22 2016 No.3064626

>>3064618
>I would never argue they don't put a lot of effort into their translations, there's no question about that. But I think the effort they put in was at least 95% misdirected and poorly executed.

Maybe you don't like it. Thar's your opinion.

My point stands that NO modern company goes to that level anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:13:27 2016 No.3064628 >>3064620 I wasn't aware either that liking quality TVs was shitposting.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:20:30 2016 No.3064636

>>3064626
Well I don't think that level was ever necessary. They changed gameplay when it didn't any changing at all. For fuck's sake they thought they could improve on a Treasure action game. That should give you an idea of Vic's hubris. And maybe some people liked them adding fart jokes and references to Austin Powers, but I didn't appreciate that at all.

Then there was the extras. It wasn't so bad in the early days, but by the time they got to the PS era it was getting crazy. The Lunars came out to over a hundred dollars in Canada because of all the junk they packaged with it. I didn't want a shitty Lucia pendant, I just wanted the game. But those were the versions available in stores.

On the whole I think game translation and localization is better now than ever before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:21:14 2016 No.3064638 >>3064628 I'm guessing the age of $2000 CRTs is a bit before your time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:22:25 2016 No.3064639 >>3064618 >are you talking about poison >poison is mentioned by name in the fucking post with a rough rundown of the poison debacle No, completely different character.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:25:12 2016 No.3064648

>>3064636
>On the whole I think game translation and localization is better now than ever before.

I can't name anything modern where the translation/localization team went and added English vocals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyHJhe2ggM

I guess modern standards are just extremely low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:26:25 2016 No.3064651 >>3064638 Are you like legit brown?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:27:28 2016 No.3064653 File: 123 KB, 725x649, vireland.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3064639 Meh, I didn't read the second part. Not really paying attention to what you guys are talking about. Just getting triggered over the ghost of Vic Ireland.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:29:01 2016 No.3064661 >>3064648 >I can't name anything modern where the translation/localization team went and added English vocals. And thank fuck for that. I've had more than enough of shitty English VO work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:31:07 2016 No.3064667 File: 88 KB, 5000x5000, 1446497095652.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3064661 >hates lunar >hates burning rangers I don't say this much but you should honestly consider killing yourself or maybe just not posting here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:32:28 2016 No.3064670 >>3064651 This was before DVD, breh. There was literally no content that could even possibly warrant a $2000-$3000 tube.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:36:17 2016 No.3064679
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>>3064667
Ohh you misunderstand. I love Lunar. A lot. Lunar 2 is in my top 3 retro RPGs. I just don't like a lot of what Victor did to it.

The original music was far better. Chisa Yokoyama is far more talented than Vic's friend's fucking wife or whoever butchered those songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqpQ1gaR67k

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:41:54 2016 No.3064691

>>3064679
It's better than almost all 80s/90s dub.
I don't even know how you grow up in the 90s especially and not end up liking 90s dub. Pretty much the only way to watch anime.

And if you're hating on the SEGA songs then cmon... You can't tell me those guys aren't doing a great performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsIgPAj3zww

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:46:14 2016 No.3064707

>>3064691
>I don't even know how you grow up in the 90s especially and not end up liking 90s dub.

Well I didn't. I grew up in the 70's. Maybe that's part of it, and no I didn't like the dubbing. Especially in anime, there's almost nothing I hated more than having the original voices dubbed over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:49:07 2016 No.3064716 >>3064707 It was watch dubbed anime or no anime a lot of the time. Not like today where you can just download it with what ever subs you want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:51:46 2016 No.3064727 >>3064707 Thanks for making me feel young. its been a long time ._.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:53:28 2016 No.3064730

>>3064716
Maybe if you were only watching what was on TV, but in the 80's and 90's when I was big into anime there was a huge fansub community that would translate what wasn't available in sub. There were also local hobby shops that would import and rent. That's how I saw all my anime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 15:55:05 2016 No.3064735 >>3064730 Now you're talking bullshit. The import VHS had no sub. Later DVD didn't either.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:00:56 2016 No.3064757
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>>3064735
Import was a bad choice of words, I didn't mean that literally. I was talking about imports as in the fansubs, which the store I most frequently actually rented. That was considered a huge no-no at the time, fansubs were all supposed to be free for everyone. But the reality was that it was easier for us to just rent and we all knew the store owner really well and it was more her doing us a favor.

RIP Bayshore Hobbies

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:02:51 2016 No.3064763 >>3064757 I had nothing like that around me. Just me and another weird kid that was into anime trying to get what we could at the time. Why I said it was dubbed anime or no anime a lot of the times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:06:50 2016 No.3064783 >>3064730 I remember watching Goku and Freeze tangle for twenty episodes in Japanese in the late 90s, thanks to fansubbers. God, what terrible quality those tapes had. What fun though.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:06:58 2016 No.3064784

>>3064763
Ohh yeah I get that. And if you liked and like it that way then great, in the end whatever gets you to enjoy the stuff you enjoy the better. I was one of those pretentious twats that hated the precious original voices being changed. It's all good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:08:45 2016 No.3064793 >>3064783 Dragonball is one of those series I've still never seen. So strong was my hatred for Toriyama's art style. [spoilers]Yes I'm that much of a twat[/spoilers]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:09:57 2016 No.3064802 >>3064784 If it makes you feel better I watch anime all subbed now. Still watch shitty 90s dub though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:11:40 2016 No.3064806 >>3064802 Honestly, I couldn't care less either way. Enjoy however you like. Cowboy Bebob was the last thing I watched. Somehow after that everything looked kind of the same and dull, I lost steam watching stuff and just never went back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:13:33 2016 No.3064812 What is this thread even about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:14:00 2016 No.3064814 >>3064806 I think Cowboy Bebop was the last major hand drawn anime. I love FLCL but once that came out it was all digital aid. Not that FLCL is but that lead to a like generic garbage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:15:49 2016 No.3064818 >>3064814 Yeah FLCL was pretty fantastic as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 17:00:30 2016 No.3064985 >>3064812 pretend something false is historical fact to troll old people.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:09:21 2016 No.3065540

One thing I've seen crop up was that Sega Genesis was the "poor person's" console, which seems just weird to me. yeah it was cheaper, but not by a significant margin. The difference between SNES and Genesis was so lateral rather than better/worse that its hard to categorize either one's audience in broad strokes. In general there's a weird association with Sega being a low class/low quality brand back then, probably due to the way they are now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:17:23 2016 No.3065550 >>3065540 Lots of sports titles on Genesis sold very well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:28:56 2016 No.3065570 >>3060965 SNES did have superior hardware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:31:40 2016 No.3065578 >>3063251 /pol/ doesn't even give a fuck about other boards, maybe you'd know if you weren't such a newfag. Also, >RETRO GAMES

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:39:24 2016 No.3065602

>>3065570
CPU - significantly weaker
Sound chip - inferior because it's crippled by tiny sample memory
Graphics - inferior in most cases because of lower resolution

The only clear victory for the SNES is 128kB of main ram compared to 72kB, which hardly matters when the CPU is too slow for all ram intensive genres.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:50:30 2016 No.3065634 File: 99 KB, 655x653, 1448250891298.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3065602 >Slower CPU instantly means inferiority I bet you're also one of those people who think that voltage is a measure of energy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:55:06 2016 No.3065648 >>3065634 Genesis CPU was fast enough to make polygonal games. SNES polygonal games I know went with additional chips.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:55:49 2016 No.3065650

There's n idea that people were blind to the flaws of the Gen 1 Pokemon games when they were new. In truth the major flaws were always there and known. We had a ton of frame of references for Gameboy RPGs; it was clear that graphically the game was subpar(by the time the game reached the US, the GBC was out and getting some really nice sprite work). Everyone knew about the glitches and exploited them in the competitive scene. Older players and reviewers would widely speak of its flaws.

The thing is, above all, it was still, and still is, a fun game, which is why it got popular in the first place. Later games' improvements don't change that; it' not retroactively unplayable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:58:24 2016 No.3065659 >>3065648 No, the only polygonal Gen game needed a chip as well (Virtual Racing). Every other "3D" game on Genesis used raytraced sprites.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:03:42 2016 No.3065673 >>3065659 You seem to not know about Genesis games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAYJk1OYaw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:06:04 2016 No.3065682 >>3065673 Nope, that's bitmapped graphics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:12:29 2016 No.3065706 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUZpF2JLF4s SEGA DOES WHAT NINTENDOES WITH EXTRA CHIPS IN THE CARTRIDGES!!!!!

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 05:45:29 2016 No.3066452

>>3061342
I don't see what's so farfetched about it. Interviews from various people state that devs were eager to continue making software for the Genesis because of how lucrative it was in the West but that infuriated Sega and 3D was more important anyway, so they canned it at the height of it's popularity. Also there was Sega Channel, and that went until '98

that isn't to say the stupid add-ons didn't hurt Sega's conquest for world domination (or whatever it was they were after)

>>3060569
reply

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:01:32 2016 No.3066473 >>3062665 SA1 is great if I'm being honest. It does need a touch up for the camera in a remake or re-release though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:08:50 2016 No.3066485 >>3064202 There's this thing called the dreamcast little nintenbabby.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:11:25 2016 No.3066492
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>>3066473
There are still bits and pieces of SA1 I really like as well. I didn't care much for Amy's portion though, you kinda just get bothered by that robot repeatedly if I remember correctly

As for the game being touched up I've been following a guy who does very nice tweaks to the game. Good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9X3NmaqkJI
https://github.com/SonicFreak94/sadx-input-mod/releases
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=299808681 (only get this if you own the Steam version
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=25301&st=0

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:19:23 2016 No.3066505 File: 18 KB, 320x240, 320px-AnalogPad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3064202 >>3066485

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:29:38 2016 No.3066523 >>3061342 A lot of people forget that the Turbografx-16/PC Engine was also a factor in the 4th generation. It was pretty much ignored in the West but in Japan it had better sales over the Mega Drive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 07:54:27 2016 No.3066641 >>3062665 Letting youtubers form your opinions before you become aware of a broader meme doesn't make you special, anon.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:27:59 2016 No.3066769

>>3066641
I don't understand kids and their youtube videos. I look back when I was a kid and if I had the option of either sitting and watching other people playing games or playing them myself I would never choose the former. Why the heck would I want to watch some other guy play Sonic and tell me what it was like when I could just play it myself. It makes no sense to me!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:53:38 2016 No.3066820 >>3060085 It couldn't be an afterthought because they used a complete alternate rendering system that worked with rectangles instead of polygons but didn't take off

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:55:13 2016 No.3066821 >>3065682 Looks like polyies to me.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:00:40 2016 No.3066829

>>3060085
But Saturn 3D does suck compared to PS. It was designed to handle 2D better than 3D, that's not revisionist history that's just fact.

> the best parts of its library are all 2D games,
It does have some good 3D games, but I would say it's best games are mostly the 2D ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:10:45 2016 No.3066847 >>3066505 >>3066485 Neither of those are analog triggers, children.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:43:55 2016 No.3066897 >>3066821 >I don't understand what I'm talking about

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:45:01 2016 No.3066902

>>3066829
>It was designed to handle 2D better than 3D, that's not revisionist history that's just fact.

Not really true. The Saturn was designed to handle 2D equally as well as 3D. It has one video processor for 2D and one video processor for 3D after all. If Saturn was truly designed for 2D with just the occasional polygon here or there, VDP1 would have been designed very differently.

It's only in retrospect that the Playstation went all out on 3D that the Saturn looks like a poor cousin in respect. Also the fact that the Saturn had more RAM and was expandable just happened to work in its favor for 2D.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:56:05 2016 No.3066931 >>3066897 Well please explain. Because I'm not seeing sprites here or any Hangout type effects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:29:10 2016 No.3066970 >>3065634 It does mean inferiority in the case of the SNES, where severe slowdown was common and sprite counts low compared to the Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:49:04 2016 No.3066993 >>3066902 >Even if you hate the game it's still worth money. Now THIS is some real revisionist history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:52:05 2016 No.3066998 >>3066993 Good job at failing kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:59:40 2016 No.3067008 >>3066998 Yeah I really rocked that not even looking that I'd copied the right thing. This here >Not really true. The Saturn was designed to handle 2D equally as well as 3D. This is some genuine revisionist history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:01:38 2016 No.3067013 >>3067008 You the kid trying to say King's Field is some amazing game in the other thread?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:03:12 2016 No.3067016

>>3067008
>This is some genuine revisionist history.

No it isn't. You can keep saying it, but it's not an argument.

I'm basing what I say on an actual analysis of the hardware cause I understand it. It does not functionally advantage 2D over 3D. Hell, did you actually know that the PS1 can push more sprites than the Saturn? It's true. PS1 loses cause of no background processor and less RAM, but it wins on the sprite front. Now if the Saturn was based around 2D primarily, why wouldn't it win all around?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:04:25 2016 No.3067018 >>3067013 >>3067013 If you read the thread I didn't ever say it was amazing. It's just not as bad as Crash and holding that game up and calling King's Field trash is funny to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:06:02 2016 No.3067023 >>3067018 The game is trash. I'll take Crash any day. Especially Crash 2.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:09:21 2016 No.3067026

>>3060965

This, alsoamusing because when you think about it

>american home videogame console market

was pretty fucking niche as it is, this is the early 80s we are talking about. Videogames were still just a novelty toy, no matter how much we try and pretend they were serious business.

I think a better name for it would be "The Great Nobody Wants To Buy Another Fucking Atari Guys Oh Shit of 1983."

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:09:54 2016 No.3067027
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>>3067016
Well there's no arguing that the PS1 isn't better than the Saturn at 3D.

I'm going mostly off what I read in Gamefan at the time and they almost always said the Saturn versions of ports of fighting games were better on Saturn.

My memory from the times the systems were announced was that the Saturn was going for a better 2D machine and PS was going more for 3D. That's why I call what you're doing revisionist. But that said I've never looked at specs or really cared to compare them deeply. So maybe they're closer than I was lead to believe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:10:55 2016 No.3067028 >>3067023 Lol I have no doubt that someone like you would.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:11:10 2016 No.3067029

>>3063849

Okay, let's keep this brief. Soft censorships is still censorship. Creating an environment were developers are forced to self censor, is still censorship. Not everyone who disagrees with you is some rabid right winger. You're just one authoritarian trying to shift all the blame for censorship from 'your' side onto 'their' side. I'm an anti-authortitarian telling you both to go fuck yourselves, but at the same time dude, at least the right wingers have the balls to admit that they're trying to censor shit.

All you had to do was literally google the word 'censorship' and read the wikipedia article. It's the most basic shit. Soft censorship may not be as invasive as hard censorship, and I can appreciate that at least, but it is still censorship. And that is exactly what your buddies are doing when they call certain games or developers bigoted and hateful and sexist and racist and any other number of politically charged slurs in order to make them break and eventually get their own way. Frankly, I find it pathetic that you'd try to hide behind the facade of a 'concerned consumer' while you purposefully try to create an environment that's hostile towards freedom of expression. Go fuck yourself, and go fuck those uber right wing authoritarians you hate so much, yet have so much in common with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:15:43 2016 No.3067036 >>3067029 >Creating an environment were developers are forced to self censor, is still censorship. What's the difference between that and a company choosing to make a game so it will be most appealing to the culture they're releasing it for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:15:56 2016 No.3067037 >>3067028 Someone that doesn't care about nerd cred games yes.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:27:09 2016 No.3067051

>>3067036

Well, that's usually what they are going to do. But when you get the SJWs or the soccer moms or whatever perpetually butthurt group that happens to be around at the time purposefully creating a PR nightmare for the companies unless they get their own way, that is a pretty clear cut attempt at soft censorship.

It's one thing to release a japanese game in the west where all of the characters names have been anglicised to appeal to the english speaking audience. It's a totally different thing to have a political group purposefully twisiting your arm because your game disagrees with their ideology. I'll leave you with the definition of censorship that google gave me:

>Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:34:03 2016 No.3067054

>>3067051
It's the suppression part that I start to disagree with. No one is really suppressing the companies in any real way. They could release the games in any form they want so long as it doesn't break laws which is actual censorship.

This sort of self-censorship doesn't seem the same to me. The companies aren't being told they have to change this or that, they're looking at the cultural environment and seeing that certain people are sensitive to some of the content in the game. So they make a financial decision on what changes they think will make the game sell the most. Maybe that could be twisted into censorship, but I just see it as good business.

Not "censoring" Bionic Commando could easily have caused a backlash that would hurt sales.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:46:36 2016 No.3067061

I think the worst piece of revisionist history is the Genesis being regarded as a terrible console or a flop. It went toe to toe with the SNES and was just as big, if not bigger. It was more common in my anecdotal experience to meet kids with a Genesis than it was an SNES. The only time Nintendo had a choke hold on the market the way millennials think they did was during the NES years.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:54:10 2016 No.3067070

>>3067054

Once again, all it took was to educate yourself a little bit on the various types of censorship and you would see that this type of this falls pretty clearly within the bounds of soft censorship. For clarity, hard censorship is censorship that is direct and soft censorship is censorship that is indirect. A good definition of this is: >an array of official actions intended to influence media output, short of legal or extra-legal bans, direct censorship of specific content, or physical attacks on media outlets or media practitioners

Soft censorship may not be as immediately effective as hard censorship, but when done well, it can achieve it's goals just the same with the added benefit of being able to pretend it's not 'real censorship' because nobody was legally or physically threatened (just like what you're doing). Instead, game companies are being financially threatened by these political groups who can and will kick up a huge PR shitstorm that would harm the companies reputation and thus harm sales indirectly instead of directly. In these day and age, for a company to allow itself to be considered sexist, racist, homophobic or otherwise bigoted would be financial suicide and it would be much easier to just to self censor to appease the whiners rather than to spend a lot of time and resources trying to repair it's tarnished reputation after the fact.

This is exactly what SJWs are up to these days. It's not just in the video game industry either. They're being very careful not to get their hands dirty with the stains of "authoritarianism" or "censorship" because that's bad for THEIR PR.

All it takes is to educate yourself a little bit on the dynamics of censorship and you probably wouldn't have been tricked into thinking that they're so innocent and innocuous. Either that or you're just an apologist who agrees with them, in which case fuck you too.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:54:33 2016 No.3067071

I don't care if companies make games where the objective is to gun down minorities, or commit acts of terrorism. I don't care if companies want to make loli simulators, or have scantily clad female protagonists with hyperrealistic boob physics. That's their prerogative. The only thing I can do as a responsible consumer is not support said games. That doesn't mean I'm railing against their right to be developed and published.

What *does* bother me when games aren't sufficiently inclusive - within a certain context. I'm not saying every video game should force a racially diverse cast. That wouldn't even make sense in some cases. For instance, how is a setting like Feudal Japan supposed to cast black characters? - This is of no concern to me. What bothers me is shit like Tomodachi Life, where Nintendo wouldn't even consider allowing character avatars to have same-sex relationships, even though the option is available to opposite-sex avatars.

We can only speculate on Nintendo's reasons for not doing so, but the point is that the game goes out of its way to ostracize Nintendo's gay fanbase. Why should I bother to support a game that encourages role-playing, but at the same time restricts access to it based on my sexual orientation? That's retarded. No, I'm not going to give my money to Nintendo after that move. That isn't to say Nintendo isn't free to make whatever retarded decisions it wants with regard to its own IPs, but I'm sure as fuck not buying one of their products, and that's my right.

Now, if I contacted Nintendo and lodged a complaint, and they were considerate enough to implement same-sex romances in the next Tomodachi game, that would be great. I think that's perfectly reasonable, but all these /pol/fags would have you believe I'm a foaming-at-the-mouth SJW trying to bully degeneracy into "their" hobby, or some other retarded proverbial bullshit that I'm sure gets regurgitated on /v/pol/ on a daily basis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:00:24 2016 No.3067075 >>3067071 >forcing political and social beleifs in entertainment >not a SJW Sorry what?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:02:51 2016 No.3067080

>>3067071

You know, I would have no problem with this at all. There's nothing wrong or degenerate about homosexuality or same sex couples. And in this case, you'd be adding something so small and simple that it couldn't possibly harm the rest of the game.

The issue comes in when you start lodging your complaints, trying to get stuff removed from the game that you disagree with. Even worse is if you joined a social media campaign specifically designed to smear the reputation of Nintendo and essentially strongarm them into altering the game to appease your particular political dogma.

But that never happens, right? And when it does, it must be the evil right wing authoritarians. Never the left wing authoritarians. Because apparently left wing authoritarians don't even exist. Just ask the left wing authoritarians.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:07:59 2016 No.3067083

>>3067070
>>3067070
It all sounds like a semantic argument at this point. What you see as "SJWs" trying to censor things I just see as culture and it's norms and expectations shifting over time as they always do.

People who think something is offensive have every right and I would say duty to be vocal about it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:29:06 2016 No.3067105 [DELETED]

>>3067083

>People who think something is offensive have every right and I would say duty to be vocal about it.

Every right to be vocal? Sure. It's their 'duty' to be? Well, now you've shown your true colours, haven't you?

And look, I gave you a well thought out, well written, compelling arugment. And all you had to offer was your dismissal that it was just semantics. You don't even have a counterargument at this stage. Thes only reason you think this is about semantics is because of your own shortcomings in understanding what censorship is, how it works, and the many forms it might take. And that's me assuming the best of you. Worst case scenario, you're as bad as the people you're convieniently pretending don't even exist. Maybe you're just like them, purposefully obscuring the meaning of the word 'censorship' so you can purposefully obscure your authoritarian leanings and the fact that you support censorship (if only when it is indirect enough to disguise your intentions). Maybe that's part of your 'duty' too?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:37:04 2016 No.3067117 [DELETED]

>>3067105
>Well, now you've shown your true colours, haven't you?

If you think I'm what you would call a SJW then you're quite wrong. Both in the outlook I hold and what I do with it.

Duty might be a poor choice of words. But I do think if you feel very strongly about something that it's important you're vocal about it.

My counter argument to you is essentially that what you see as censorship I don't view in a bad light. If you want to call it censorship that's fine, I'm not really interested in having a debate over that. It doesn't really matter to me what you call it.

I think the people concerned with gender politics or whatever are good for being as vocal about it as they are. That's how culture changes. We don't prosecute and castrate gay people anymore because people were vocal and things changed. Maybe you see that as a bad thing, I don't necessarily.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:39:31 2016 No.3067119 [DELETED]

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Saying "I don't like this game, it's gross/creepy/whatever" is fine, but a lot of SJWs, including several gaming journalists, have threatened the careers of game devs who disagree with social justice and Anita Sarkeesian, and that's where I think we need to draw the line.

Thankfully Leigh and most of the other really bad ones are no longer relevant, so it's not much of a problem anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:44:37 2016 No.3067127 >>3067119 >You really should stop while you're ahead. >Really. >Just. >Stop. >You're not helping your case. Holy shit it's like he's posting /vr/ copypasta

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:45:59 2016 No.3067128 >>3063281 >Didn't Sega basically break even on the Sega CD? I doubt it. But Kalinske said it was nonetheless extremely important, because it allowed Sega to get accustomed to developing games on CD.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:53:22 2016 No.3067139

>>3067117

I'm thinking you're a left wing authoritarian of some kind, not necessarily an SJW, and it appears that I'm right.

>My counter argument to you is essentially that what you see as censorship I don't view in a bad light. If you want to call it censorship that's fine, I'm not really interested in having a debate over that. It doesn't really matter to me what you call it.

Yeah, it's pretty clear that you're not interested in a debate. I expected that much too. But you have to understand, that it's not just what I call censorship, it's what falls in line with the actual definition of the word. This isn't me choosing to haphazzardly label something as censorship that isn't censorship, this is you sneakily refusing to acknowledge that it's censorship. Because it is. Not everything is subjective. Censorship, in it's various forms, has pretty clear definitions. I'm glad you finally admit to having no problem with this kind of supression of ideas though, even if you did it in an extremly cowardly and evasive way.

>We don't prosecute and castrate gay people anymore because people were vocal and things changed. Maybe you see that as a bad thing, I don't necessarily.

I see it as a great thing. Unfortunately for you and your authoritarian buddies though, being vocal and demanding that gays no longer be treated like animals isn't quite the same thing as being vocal and demanding that artists change their art just because you find it offensive. The former is an attempt to right an injustice, the latter is an attempt to censor ideas. Honestly, the fact that you would even compare the two in an attempt to justify your political dogma is pretty digusting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:55:00 2016 No.3067141 >>3067027 >quad polygons Saturn games are unironically gorgeous.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:55:59 2016 No.3067142

The thing that bugs me the most is when people say "there aren't any female video game characters!" and act like a game with a female protagonist is breaking new ground.

Also the Sega CD is an awesome system with tons of good games that gets a bad rap because of the FMV garbage and the AVGN shitting on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 13:59:57 2016 No.3067147 >>3067018 > Not as bad as Crash Crash is great, dunno what the fuck you're getting at. I guess it's just the trend right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:03:55 2016 No.3067154 >>3067147 It's hip to hate something popular like Crash and then say a game like King's Field is better. Gives made nerd card.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:07:52 2016 No.3067157

>>3067139
>I'm thinking you're a left wing authoritarian of some kind

Not even close. My politics really aren't important though.

Like I said, I'm fine with you calling it censorship. Our disagreement is that it's always bad.

> The former is an attempt to right an injustice, the latter is an attempt to censor ideas.

I think they are both attempts to censor ideas. That's what I'm talking about in it being important for changing cultures. In order for gay people to be accepted as normal people you essentially have to censor the idea that homosexuality is a disease or disorder of some sort.

If someone puts out art that's based around how degenerate and horrible gay people are, they will probably get a lot of backlash for it because other people are being vocal about their belief that it's offensive.

The way I see it all this is things working well. Right now there are a lot of people getting upset about this or that and being vocal about how they don't like it. Then people are responding. A game company can choose to ignore that conversation or go along with it as they see fit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:25:08 2016 No.3067169

>>3067157

Yeah, I think we're done. You refuse to admit that these people are doing what their doing, and you have, for some reason, continued with your absurd line of reasoning that demanding that gays be treated like human beings is the same as demanding that sexualised women be removed from video games. You can keep moving the goalposts all you want. It's not the same thing. Gays having rights isn't censorship, no matter how desperately you want it to be. And companies aren't truly 'free' to disregard the rabid mob, no matter how true you want that to be too. I already provided a very good argument as to how that one wasn't the case, that you've decided to ignore. And when you start doing that, there's basically no point anymore. I've seen this a million times, arguing with irrational dogmatic people. You'll just keep chasing your tail, conveniently forgetting matters which have been settled only a few moments ago.

You're transparent though. Don't think you're not. You can be as sneaky and evasive as you want with your arguments by I see right through them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:27:19 2016 No.3067172 >>3067169 Why is it that SJWs like you can't grasp what freedom of speech is? Different anon.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:32:20 2016 No.3067176

>>3067172

I'm going to assume you're quoting the wrong person. In case you're not, I think you should be totally free to voice your opinions. But I still think it's a bad thing to try and twist the arms of the developers and attempt to censor their games through coercion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:36:41 2016 No.3067189 >>3067176 >Gays having rights isn't censorship

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:37:18 2016 No.3067192

>>3067169

For one think I think you may be confusing me with someone else you've been talking to. I only replied here >>3067036 >>3067054 >>3067105 >>3067117 >>3067139 and here >>3067157

I haven't said anything about what SJWs are doing or saying, partly because I don't really follow any of that at all. I've never been on twitter and am not involved in or up to date on any video game politics. I'm talking more generally about censorship.

>You refuse to admit that these people are doing what their doing, and you have, for some reason, continued with your absurd line of reasoning that demanding that gays be treated like human beings is the same as demanding that sexualised women be removed from video games.

I don't think these are actually all that different. It's both cases of people saying they're unhappy with how they're being portrayed culturally and acting to change that.

>Gays having rights isn't censorship, no matter how desperately you want it to be.

You misunderstood what I was saying there. The "censorship" was in making homophobia culturally unacceptable. People who are bigoted against gay people are essentially being soft-censored. I used that example to show that censorship isn't necessarily bad, it's just a cultural process.

If a lot of women feel uncomfortable with the way they're portrayed in games or other media I think they should be as vocal as they want about it. I don't see how that's fundamentally different from gay people being vocal about not liking how they're being portrayed.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:39:04 2016 No.3067195

>>3067176
>But I still think it's a bad thing to try and twist the arms of the developers and attempt to censor their games through coercion.

This is the fundamental thing we disagree on. I think people who feel strongly about something should be doing that.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:41:53 2016 No.3067202

>>3060054
>Goi X refuses to play game because it's not multi-player and not on Steam.
>2016
>Still proudly installing DRM on their computer because muh Steam.

>>3060204
>SJW gud at anything
Nope. But Hilary did TRY to ban vidyas, and libtards like the cucked youtube fat-celeb would still vote for her. But fuck it, this isn't /pol/ and gamergate is still a bannable offence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:44:28 2016 No.3067207 >>3063179 >Muh right wing x'tians >Muh fedora feels Trump might win the el presidento race, but he's very unlikely to ban videogames because muh shekels. He is a businessman after all, though a very bad and bankrupted businessman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:48:46 2016 No.3067215 >>3064670 >There was literally no 4K 3D content that could even possibly warrant a $10 000 OLED 60 inch screen. Muh graphix fags and CRT fags will always find a reason to buy unnecessary shillware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:51:27 2016 No.3067220 >>3067215 Fuck nice things

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:52:14 2016 No.3067225

>>3067080
>trying to get stuff removed from the game that you disagree with

Never said I wanted to do this. I couldn't care less if some edgelord company wanted to develop a game for literal Nazis.

>Even worse is if you joined a social media campaign specifically designed to smear the reputation of Nintendo and essentially strongarm them into altering the game to appease your particular political dogma

Never said I wanted to do this either. Although if anyone asked, I would clearly state my reasons for not supporting said game or company. That's my right as a consumer. If they feel like following my example, I can't stop them.

>But that never happens, right?

Of course it happens. I never said it didn't.

>And when it does, it must be the evil right wing authoritarians

Sure, they engage in similar campaigns all the time. Movie theaters that aired Brokeback Mountain were boycotted left to right, and Christian fundamentalists were kicking and screaming for the film to be banned.

>Because apparently left wing authoritarians don't even exist.

They exist, they're just fewer in number. Anyone who honestly believes otherwise must be basing their entire world view on whatever shit they see paraded around their college campuses. Institutions of higher learning are generally dominated by liberal ideals, because these kids are just now leaving their parents' nests and finding a sense of themselves. Of course they get involved with a lot of strange ideologies, but that's a part of growing up.

To brand these people as some kind of political malefactor is ridiculous. Media outlets don't take these people seriously, they're just taking calculated risks for the sake of sales figures. If your audience consists mostly of teenagers and college-age adults, then you have to cater to their mindset if you want to garner the most sales.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:53:02 2016 No.3067227 >>3067202 And Gloria Steinem supports her for president with great enthusiasm despite being married for 40 years to a known rapist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:54:24 2016 No.3067228 >>3067225 I never remember anyone calling for BBM to be banned however I do remember leftists calling for Fox News and talk radio to be shut down as hate speech.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:56:17 2016 No.3067232 >>3067227 I've always wanted Hillary for president. Even back when Bill was in office.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:57:12 2016 No.3067235 >>3067228 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokeback_Mountain#Controversies Shit like this happens here in the South all the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:57:48 2016 No.3067236 >>3067232 All Hillary and other campaign employees please direct yourselves to /pol/. This is a board for discussing video games. Thank you.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:58:04 2016 No.3067238

>>3067192

You used the example of gays being prosecuted and castrated. That's the example you used. You didn't say anything about how they were being portrayed in media or anything like that. So you're backpedalling now. You still can't compare people trying to secure basic human rights for gays with censoring works of art that depict them poorly. Stop moving the goalposts, I'm not falling for it.

>>3067195

You keep thinking that then. Keep thinking that right up until some point in the future when people start censoring something you like, something you believe in or just outright censoring you. Now, like I said, I'm all for freedom of speech. We'd be worse off without it. But what's happened and continuing to happen with these moral guardian types (soccer moms, SJWS ect.) is that they're essentually abusing the status quo and the the system in place so they can use their freedom of expression to hamper the freedom of expression of others. It's an unfortunate side effect and I'm not going to just shut up about them doing it, I'm going to call them out on this shit every single time while they inevitably try to shut me up every single time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:58:50 2016 No.3067240 >>3067235 Oh well. They wanted The Last Temptation of Christ banned in the 80s also and that movie was far less controversial than Brokeback Mountain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:58:50 2016 No.3067241 >>3067235 While Hollywood is fucking about with genderswapping and raceswapping, I want that movie to be remade with two female asians.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:00:19 2016 No.3067242 >>3067232 >I've always wanted Hillary for president. Even back when Bill was in office. >gun grabbers on /vr/ No wonder this place went to shit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:00:46 2016 No.3067245

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marissa-higgins/the-problem-with-the-sexualization-of-lesbians_b_3368769.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xazgfLEVxLs

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/lesbian-and-bisexual-women-in-the-media/

Butthurt feminazis are butthurt.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:06:09 2016 No.3067256
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>>3067245
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marissa-higgins/the-problem-with-the-sexualization-of-lesbians_b_3368769.html

"My marriage isn't just about sex.

I didn't marry another woman solely because I like what happens between us in the bedroom. Men don't start families with other men simply because they're attracted to what's within their jeans. The LGBTQ community and its allies have not struggled for equality for so long because our rampant hormones drive us.

Being gay -- or bi or pan or trans -- is not just about sex. It's about love."

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:06:12 2016 No.3067257

>>3067238
>You used the example of gays being prosecuted and castrated. That's the example you used. You didn't say anything about how they were being portrayed in media or anything like that.

All I'm saying is I see it all as degrees of the same situation of people trying to better their place in society.

>>3067238
>Keep thinking that right up until some point in the future when people start censoring something you like,

This happens to me all the time though. I don't like the way everything is changing. But I also didn't like everything the way it was before either. I'm just being a realist that this is how culture changes.

> It's an unfortunate side effect and I'm not going to just shut up about them doing it, I'm going to call them out on this shit every single time while they inevitably try to shut me up every single time.

I have the same attitude towards you. I probably wouldn't agree with everything you have to say, but I think it's important that you're vocal about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:08:09 2016 No.3067260 >>3067256 >Being gay -- or bi or pan or trans -- is not just about sex. It's about love." That's pretty accurate though. And that's from someone with 10+ gigs of lesbo porn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:08:47 2016 No.3067261 >>3067260 >And that's from someone with 10+ gigs of lesbo porn Nah, you just want to fap to them like everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:09:57 2016 No.3067263 I dunno about rug burners, but fag relationships sure ain't about love or anything but getting as much sex as you can with as many partners as you can.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:11:47 2016 No.3067267 File: 26 KB, 413x310, 16185596716426595195.jpeg___1_500_1_500_cb94de6a_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3067260 >>3067245 >porn lesbians >IRL lesbians Pick uno. If you saw what real dykes look like, you'd be terrified.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:13:47 2016 No.3067269 >>3067261 Of course I do, but that doesn't discount that I realize their actual relationships aren't just about sex. It's porn after all, it's fantasy. That's the purpose. >>3067267 I know plenty of irl dykes thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:17:46 2016 No.3067278 Usually most dykes were raped or molested or something so they have a massive chip on their shoulder about men.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:32:34 2016 No.3067308 File: 253 KB, 1024x768, dykes21781375.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Usually most dykes were raped or molested or something so they have a massive chip on their shoulder about boats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:40:02 2016 No.3067319 >>3065650 >The thing is, above all, it was still, and still is, a fun game, which is why it got popular in the first place But mostly because Pokemon benefited from a massive marketing campaign.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:43:21 2016 No.3067331 >>3067319 That's probably what got a lot of younger people hooked. But I was in my 20's when Pokemon hit the US and me and my friends were all playing it just because it was such a great RPG for the system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:45:56 2016 No.3067340 >>3067319 The anime was also really pretty cheesy and bad; diehard animefags pretty much hate it, but it was fun.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:50:42 2016 No.3067356 [DELETED]

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>>3067232
>Even back when Bill was in office.
I hoped you enjoyed your NAFTA, curry nigger. And TPP eat your son's dick.
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/nafta-20-years-old-–-here-are-20-facts-show-how-it-destroying-economy

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:52:35 2016 No.3067360 Hillary is just Democrat Bob Dole. Even worse because she's a literal criminal. Even her voice is like a cheese grater. I get a headache listening to one of her speeches.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 16:05:10 2016 No.3067384 >>3060054 Everything and anything said about Zelda 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 18:35:06 2016 No.3067661 >>3066847 Yeah, cause they're totally digital binary right? Fuck off you autist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 03:35:34 2016 No.3068528 >>3065659 LHX Attack Chopper

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 14:37:09 2016 No.3069580 Can a mod PLEASE delete all the offtopic political bullshit? I know politics are somewhat connected to video game controversy, but come on. This us /vr/, not fucking /pol/.

Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:33:28 2016 No.3070032

>>3060397
I do believe they only really exist on the internet.

They're kind of like the robots on /r9k/ just another kind of extreme. They either don't get out much or they hide their power level IRL. Kind of explains how their views got so warped in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:37:35 2016 No.3070039 >>3069580 >mods plz shut it down

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 18:43:15 2016 No.3070046 This thread is pure cancer. How is any of this even remotely related to /vr/

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 16 23:30:26 2016 No.3070478 >>3061350 Underrated post. De facto censorship a shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 04:10:28 2016 No.3070830 >>3069580 That's right. /vr/ isn't supposed to be about politics. It's supposed to be about talking about how we're better than other people because we play with toys from a certain decade instead of another.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:56:59 2016 No.3070937 >>3062531 It makes the interface bad though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 05:58:55 2016 No.3070939 >>3060204 Keep it /vr not /v please.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:00:15 2016 No.3070941
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>>3070032
I live in a college town, so this is obviously restricted to those kinds of environments, but I can absolutely confirm that they do exist outside the internet. I was just like all of the other guys in this thread at first -- I thought SJWs, the extreme stereotype, only existed on tumblr, that it was just an internet meme, or a very very small number of people just shitposting and samefagging extremely loudly across the net.

I was wrong. Saw a group of them at a bar the other night, they had set up shop and were having a poetry reading. About fifty of 'em at least I'd say. Trigger warnings, evil patriarchy conspiracies, privilege checking, fat acceptance, cis-scum, crypto-fascist oblique insisteces that anyone who disagrees be silenced -- truly, every single tumblrina SJW literally-who post-modern whatever the fuck, every part of the archetype was present. I was dumbfounded.

It's a real social thing in youth. Kids who would have been hipsters in the late 00's are now SJWs. It's remarkable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:03:50 2016 No.3070946 File: 205 KB, 540x304, f4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3060248 Make it classic Fallout and color me mad. At least now those Bethhacks got their boomerang back with 4.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:08:55 2016 No.3070948 File: 503 KB, 1400x1102, 1458199290403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3070941 YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE MALE YOU'RE A WHITE MAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0diJNybk0Mw

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:15:06 2016 No.3070956 >>3060419 Now this is gorgeous. Can i MAME it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:19:55 2016 No.3070959 >>3070956 Yes, use an analog controller or mouse for proper control.

Anonymous Thu Mar 17 06:26:12 2016 No.3070962
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>>3070948
No joke, one of the poetry readers said something more or less along those lines. "Everyone of a certain race and sex is racist and sexist!" The cognitive dissonance must be so painful.

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