Rare shows evolution of Dream to Banjo Kazooie

[Anonymous No.2869974]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w72kj20YNA0&feature=youtu.be

Holy fucking shit they did it. The fucking madmen. Everyone get the fuck in here. The first ever footage of Project Dream on the SNES and N64. This is the fucking Holy Grail.

[Anonymous No.2869995]

This is surprisingly non rubbish after the one they made about conker gone medieval.

[Anonymous No.2870014]

>>2869995
what?

[Anonymous No.2870029]

>>2870014
They made a video about the scrapped conker sequel Gone Medieval, turned out to be just a bunch of concept arts for multiplayer skins to be used on live and reloaded.

[Anonymous No.2870030]

>>2869974
Never could stand that cgi look all their games had.

[Anonymous No.2870035]

>>2869974
Nice post. I wonder if that fucker that was teasing the game few months back got bought by whoever made this video

[Anonymous No.2870082]

>>2869974
BLUNGIE-KABLOOEY

Nice vidya btw, I watched it from start to end without pausing.

[Anonymous No.2870085]

>>2869974

It's crazy that the only thing we really saw of project dream for years was this stupid image and now we finally get to see the game in motion. Wow, looked pretty cool but I'm still glad we got Banjo-Kazooie instead. Maybe they'll release the prototypes someday, but for now this is enough.

[Anonymous No.2870101]

>>2870085
I'm not expecting much even if they do release the roms, the game still seemed very rough with only 1 or 2 test maps.

[Anonymous No.2870110]

>>2870101

Yeah, but it would still be cool to just test them out.

[Anonymous No.2870136]

>>2870101
I'm more interested in what rom hackers might do with those test maps.

[Anonymous No.2870153]

>try to create an original style of isometric platformer / adventure
>fuck it, let's just rip off mario 64

[Anonymous No.2870157]

>>2870153
Nah. It looked like a saturn game.

[Anonymous No.2870160]

>>2870153
Nah. It looked like a saturn game.

[Anonymous No.2870179]

>>2870153

Rare had made quite a few isometric styled games, so maybe they thought it would be better to do something different.

[Anonymous No.2870184]

>>2870179
knightlore, rattle and roll

[Anonymous No.2870209]

>>2870184
R.C. Pro-Am
Monster Max

Okay maybe that's not that many but still, Super Mario 64 was a revelation of how to make 3D games at the time so it's no surprise they would want to go in that direction.

[Anonymous No.2870225]

>>2869974
Beginning of 5th gen was an good time for videogames, you can tell the designers were excited and full of ideas on how to explore this new tech. I don't think anything similar has happened ever since.

[Anonymous No.2870307]

>>2870153

It was the right decision, even by the time Banjo came out there were very few legit 3D platformers that weren't isometric, 2.5D or whatever. Beta Banjo actually reminds me a lot of Crash Bandicoot with its side-view.

Great video though, was really cool to see the progression and Banjo being 90s as fuck with his cap and skateboarding moves. The graphics on the SNES Dream are pretty insane, the real-time shadows and massive sprites especially.

[Anonymous No.2870318]

>>2870209

Had they not changed direction the whole project would've been thrown in the shitter, I imagine. Look at what happened to Sonic X-Treme with its weird fish-eye shit - Pre-Mario 64 experimentation and its flaws are really interesting but early Banjo Kazooie looks pretty damn playable for the time.

[Anonymous No.2870321]

>>2870035

It was Tim Stamper's cartridge they used. He let them use his own personal Rare archives for Rare Replay and the follow up videos on top of Rare's own archives, so there was no need for them to buy anything.

The N64 proto is still owned by Rare

>>2870209
>>2870307
>>2870318

They mentioned in the making of BK that they saw the Conker team was going that direction and making for a better game as well (Despite the whole "separate barns"aspect, teams still talked along with their Nintendo America producers)

[Anonymous No.2870357]

>>2869974
Wow that was really good vid. Its rare so see this developers open up their archives like this. I wish nintendo would show more footage or their archives and betas.

[Anonymous No.2870397]

>>2870357
>tfw Nintendo releases fully playable Earthbound 64 with the original morbid script and story in tact

[Anonymous No.2870403]

>>2870082
Congratulations faggot you have an attention span of a whopping 9 minutes do you want a fucking gold star?

[Anonymous No.2870448]

>>2870403
dull your edges, nobody is impressed

[Anonymous No.2870475]

>>2870321
>It was Tim Stamper's cartridge they used. He let them use his own personal Rare archives for Rare Replay and the follow up videos on top of Rare's own archives, so there was no need for them to buy anything.


Neat. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.2870486]

>>2870357

Imagine if Nintendo releases a long documentary that showcased every build of Mario 64 and OoT

[Anonymous No.2870494]

>>2870486
It's already documented enough by fans anyway. Am I the only one who's not impressed by beta stuff? Most of this stuff they removed plain didn't work or even passed the conceptual stages.

[Anonymous No.2870507]

>>2870494

The unused betas are the ones that are most interesting. Mario 64's beta had most of the content in the game. The only real sought after one is the Mario Kart 64 with Kamek instead of DK. Rare was showing off Betas that never made it in their videos which is why it's interesting.

[Anonymous No.2870510]

>>2870030
Miyamoto-san and I agree.

[Anonymous No.2870516]

rule34 of Dinger when?

[Anonymous No.2870518]

>>2869974
>There was this RARE material
>They thought they could kind of CONKER
Seriously?

[Anonymous No.2870519]

Next Christmas: Dinosaur Planet

[Anonymous No.2871393]

>zero new posts in the last 11 hours about this breakthrough

/vr/ sucks cox n' dix

[Anonymous No.2871414]

>>2871393
Shit nigger, this is kicking my autism into overdrive.

It answers so many questions but ignites so many more. All I can see is Gregg Mayles is the fucking man. I hope we get to see more from his collection.

[Anonymous No.2871415]

>>2871414
*All I can say

[Anonymous No.2871425]

>>2871414
>Gregg Mayles

he twitter has like 100 posts of behind the scenes Donkey kong country 2 shit right now.
Hopefully someone is archiving all that shit

[Anonymous No.2871429]

>>2871425
Dude I know, he's posting a shit ton of Banjo related stuff too.

Check out Mt. Fire Eyes

https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/644798707196538880

So THAT's what Gobi was originally going to do in the lava world. Interestingly enough, they reused that mechanic in DK64 with the lama in Angry Aztec to cool the water.

Also, I wouldn't worry about archiving, I'm sure DKC fags are handling it. DKVine alone should have enough autism to make that happen.

[Anonymous No.2871431]

>>2871414

Rare said they would show some more games next year, but Project Dream was the Holy Grail and the Ark Of The Covenant of unseen retro games all in one.

The only real mystery left from that era is the SNES version of Killer Instinct 2 and they will likely show that around when the new season of Killer Instinct. Dinosaur Planet I'm not sure they can show without Nintendo's permission since Nintendo bought the IP from them.

The rest are outside /vr/'s scope like Urchin and their Crackdown 2 pitch

[Anonymous No.2871487]

>>2869974
Why do they say "dream" would've been too childish and then make a game with a bear that looks like he's straight outta sesame street?
Fucking brits

[Anonymous No.2871517]

>>2871431
You think we'll get a dump of the betas for Dream and B-K one day?

Or NEVER EVER? At the very least some extended gameplay footage would be nice.

[Anonymous No.2871521]

>>2869974
>We dicked around with a bunch of ideas then we saw Mario 64 so we decided to just do that

Joking aside this is a really cool video, thanks for sharing. I love learning about early game betas, things that got cut from the final version, etc.

[Anonymous No.2871541]

>>2871429

What a fucking class act. I really wish more developers realized there are a lot of people who love this kind of stuff. Sadly, most of it is probably thrown away by now.

[Anonymous No.2871557]

>>2871541

I think we were lucky because Tim and Chris Stamper insisted Rare archived everything and they even still had the source codes to Jetpac and Knight Lore when making Rare Replay (They used a custom Spectrum emulator they built around each game) compared to Japanese companies who regularly threw away source codes and assets (Square even lost the source code and assets to Final Fantasy IX)

I hope they do some more next year, though they are running out of things and they obviously can't show anything owned by Nintendo or licensed.

[Anonymous No.2872982]

>>2871557
>throwing away source code and art
christ people are stupid

[Anonymous No.2872990]

>>2870510
You know he actually liked that art style, right? And he worked very closely with them to make it as functional and unique as they did.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2010/06/17/e3-2010-shigeru-miyamoto-likes-donkey-kong-country-after-all

Its about midway to bottom way down.

[Anonymous No.2872991]

>>2872982
The attitude of the time was "re-releases and such never happen so why keep used data?" If only they knew of the demand for retro games and the advent of the the Internet.

[Anonymous No.2872992]

>>2869974
i'm impressed by the tech but that looks like the gayest peter pan bullshit i've ever seen

[Anonymous No.2873006]

>>2872992
You should play Hook

[Anonymous No.2873010]

>>2872991
Another proof that games were meant to be viewed with scanlines, because they apparently didn't plan even 10 years ahead, let alone 25 when lcd became a thing.
NON CRT FAGS BTFO

[Anonymous No.2873016]

>>2873010
>>>/containment thread/

[Anonymous No.2873030]

>>2873010
I WILL MURDER YOU AN ALL OF YOUR FAMILY!!
Merry Christmas.

[Anonymous No.2873126]

>>2873006
that actually looks fun, might try it out sometime

[Anonymous No.2873149]

>>2872992
>that looks like the gayest peter pan bullshit i've ever seen
I think that might be part of the reason why Edison was replaced as the main protagonist.

[Anonymous No.2873152]

>>2870494
I love betas, even ones that aren't incredibly different from the final versions. It is interesting to see what all was changed and, in some cases, a neat way to play a favored game with a slight twist.

[Anonymous No.2873209]

>>2873149
If anyone bothered actually watching the video, they said they replaced him because he was go feminine Nd they wanted manly character.

[Anonymous No.2873210]

>>2873209
are you agreeing or arguing you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.2873229]

>>2873210
>being rude on christmas eve

fuck off reddit

[Anonymous No.2873259]

They just put up the making of Perfect Dark as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CxpdspOV5I&index=1

[Anonymous No.2873347]

BK starting out as an RPG certainly explains the relatively simplistic platforming and the more borong, touch-letters-in-the-right-order puzzles (yeah, DK had them, too, but at least it had an element of speed and timing).

Truth be told, I'd have appreciated to the 2 1/2d look. Reminds me of Goemon's Great Advemture, and more games in that vein would've been nice. Copying Mario 64 didn't really work out - BK has fantastic characterisation, sense of humour, and looks, vastly superior to what SM 64 has to offer in this regard, but the actual gameplay, the platforming... M64 dominates.

Something DKCesque would've been preferable. Then again, given the RPG roots... Maybe a less ambitious RPG project instead of trying to shoehorn in the platforming instead.

Okay, first world problems, I suppose. BK is a fun game, after all. But trying something other than copying M64. Might've been good for it regardless.

Incidentally. Others have already noted the similarities of the early development stages to Crash Bandicoot. The even earlier stage of action adventure with boy and dog strongly reminds me of. Secret of Evermore - and I suspect that some of the ideas Rare had there eventually found their way into Jet Force Gemini.

[Anonymous No.2873397]

>>2873259
>Joanna Dark
>Jeanne d'Arc
FUCK

[Anonymous No.2873404]

>>2873397
>rareware
>rare
>ware
WOW

[Anonymous No.2873434]

>>2873347
>but the actual gameplay, the platforming... M64 dominates
Gameplay-wise, Mario 64 only "dominates" in terms of the character moveset. Almost everything else I believe B-K does much better.

In terms of platforming I believe they're rather similar; Mario 64's sense of platforming is a lot more simplistic compared to its predecessors, especially the likes of Mario 3.

>But trying something other than copying M64. Might've been good for it regardless.
I don't think so. Judging by the end product I think what we got as is was fine. Anyways, I don't see how it "copied" Mario 64 more than expanding and improving on its formula in some ways.

[Anonymous No.2873475]

>>2873259

HOLY FUCK YES!!!@

About to watch. I have over 2000 hours put into Perfect Dark.

[Anonymous No.2873491]

>>2873434
>Gameplay-wise, Mario 64 only "dominates" in terms of the character moveset. Almost everything else I believe B-K does much better.

Well, this comes down to personal opinion. I prefer the physics and fluidity of Mario 64, for example, but I love both games immensely.

[Anonymous No.2873575]

Why are in-development concepts and cut content ideas from Rare considered as so mythical and legendary compared to that of other companies? Even in the early days of the Internet people have made a big fuss over cut Banjo ideas and stuff. You don't see that kind of reverence for any other series I can think of. Why?

[Anonymous No.2873576]

>>2873575
I don't get that impression at all.

[Anonymous No.2873612]

>>2873575
You dont seem to grasp the impact Rare made on peoples lives.

[Anonymous No.2873619]

>>2873491
Yeah. Even though I do prefer B-K personally, I gotta say that there's still a lot of merit in Mario 64; for example the overall physics (like you said) which helps with the overall energetic execution of his moveset, and most of the course design being pretty well done.

>>2873575
>Why are in-development concepts and cut content ideas from Rare considered as so mythical and legendary compared to that of other companies?
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OOT

[Anonymous No.2873620]

>>2873575

I guess it's a mix of just how much we know about the content, how elaborate and creative the cut stuff was (like Stop 'n' Swop - a feature that until then was almost unheard of, afaik) and since traces of it could still be found in the games, so there was more to discuss and speculate.

[Anonymous No.2873637]

>>2873575
I think because Banjo had very obvious cut content like stop n swap made it very mysterious. It also came out when internet rumors were very popular similar to pokemon.

[Anonymous No.2873641]

>>2873619
>>Why are in-development concepts and cut content ideas from Rare considered as so mythical and legendary compared to that of other companies?
>LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OOT

Go ahead, I have no idea what you're referencing.

[Anonymous No.2873775]

>>2873575

The Stampers intentionally made them very mysterious, never did interviews, only allowed interviews rarely (sorry) and only with magazines they liked, like Britains N64 Magazine. Most people were put through NOA. They even did things like DNA encoded swipe cards and CCTV on site constantly because it increased the myth of Rare and what secret projects they were up to. And it always had rumors and mystery around it to the point where it would become running jokes like KI3, Banjo Threeie and Mire Mare (For the real oldfags among us)

They built up a legend and deservedly got remembered for that. The difference is that most Japanese and western companies don't have the assets to hand. They didn't know how valuable the assets were while Rare insisted on keeping the Post-it notes from their level design. And we're getting all this amazing historical footage because of it.

[Anonymous No.2873862]

>love beta and unseen content
>despite obvious marketing and modern internet/social tactis to build easy positive corporate image

Still, cool to see anything about project dream that isn't that one single stupid picture that we had since 1998.

[Anonymous No.2873896]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhNvZzT-Pqo

Watching some other vids on the channel, I've just learned that you pronounce the word "Corps" as in Blast Corps like "Core" and not like "Corpse".

Holy shit, I've been reading the title wrong all these years. No one told me. My childhood was a lie.

[Anonymous No.2873989]

>>2873896
Funniest post I've read all day.

[Anonymous No.2873992]

>>2873896
Prolly shudduh figured that out five years ago AT THE LATEST senpai. 4 shame.

[Anonymous No.2874328]

>>2870085
>Project_Dream.jpg (34 KB, 602x472)
that goes to my fap folder

[Anonymous No.2874373]

>>2873259
Man, Ghost in the Shell was really influential,

[Anonymous No.2874394]

>>2873896
>Watching some other vids on the channel

REALLY FUCKING THIS

man some of this shit has been on here for MONTHS !!

class act rare, stinks of retro rare style.
much respect would social media support you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVl0wOdB9Jc

[Anonymous No.2874397]

>>2873259

The SIMs are still one of the most absurdly innovative things I've ever seen in a shooter. I miss those dudes.

[Anonymous No.2874507]

>>2874373

I hope they do Zero. It was a trainwreck, but they originally doubled down on the anime with Bubblegum Crisis and Dirty Pair influences in the original shots of zero. Even Including hiring UK anime magazine (And Gaming with Super Play and N64) cover illustrator Wil Overton who did the covers for the UK releases of those books.

Then there was internal and external pressure over being a 360 launch game and the art style was constantly changing.

>>2874394

You should look up the ones in the game as well. The Viva Pinata and Killer Instinct ones were fascinating.

[Anonymous No.2874719]

That video sheds some new light on this picture in Banjo's house. What we all figured was Fungus Forest was likely a different game altogether.

[Anonymous No.2874736]

>>2873641
People have tracked every fucking little version of it as they've been found, just scourging and nitpicking, finding all sorts of shit. It probably all started because, like Banjo Kazooie, a lot of people like the game, and there were elements from promotional material that got cut, which turned into "my dad works at Nintendo and you can get it if you move the truck" style rumors and mockups like OoT's classic "you can get the Triforce as an equipable item" famous rumor. And some neat stuff has been found, even little things like Dark Link having a functional AI response to an item you shouldn't have, to a fickin' Star Fox ship as a complete and functional enemy that just never appears in game. Stuff like that is just sorta fascinating.

>>2873775
The Stampers became reclusive and never did interviews because back in the day some TV show wanted to interview them, they said they were busy and they could use footage another show has acquired, and the faggots got pissed off, took the footage and edited it to make them look like huge nerds, while having a voice over saying stuff like "even though they look like slovenly losers, the Stamper brothers actually make quite popular videogames" or some shit. Obviously it soured them to doing interviews.

[Anonymous No.2874836]

>>2874394
Stamper hates them though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1U2wmIksGs

[Anonymous No.2874861]

>>2869974
>dat shitty N64 version

man, it always drove me crazy that sprites couldn't coexist with 3D. The industry was in a mad rush to destroy anything 2D just when it was looking good in high resolution.

[Anonymous No.2874869]

>>2874836

Holy shit that video is hilariously awful

>"They didn't make the games I liked for a while and MUH BANJO therefore its all nostalgia bait even when they brought in ex-Rare staff to talk about it, actually look critically at them (Especially the Conker ones) and were one of the only companies with a fully stocked archive. Please like and subscribe"

That's hilarious as fuck.Especially since the Lead Designer of Battletoads, DKC, Banjo and more directed those documentaries and interviews as a passion project and it was their idea to do the documentaries. For people who claim to love retro gaming. They sure can't appreciate it when something unique like this happens because "Muh feelings about things that happened years ago. Pls subscribe"

[Anonymous No.2874956]

>>2873575
>Why are in-development concepts and cut content ideas from Rare considered as so mythical and legendary compared to that of other companies?
a decidedly silly comment given we have entire websites dedicated to documenting beta versions of games and unreleased games

and if you want to know why rare gets more attention than say jaleco...well, it's because rare is more popular than them and many other companies.

just an all around silly post from you.

[Anonymous No.2874983]

>>2874836
these two look pretty gay, what is happening to the west?

[Anonymous No.2874987]

>>2874861
Yeah but if you pay attention the Snes version couldn't handle more than three sprites of that size on screen at once. Only the boy, dog plus an enemy. The Final Fight syndrome of Snes games.

[Anonymous No.2875469]

>>2874394
>There was a bear who stole my glory. He looked a big like you

I finally get the reference, because that pirate was from the Dream game they were planning.

[Anonymous No.2876106]

>>2869974
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

ROM WHEN

[Anonymous No.2876307]

>>2874987

Its all a case of memory management. They re-used the background in the Lost World levels of DKC 2 and that was pushing a ton of sprite work. It was only ever a playable alpha, even.

>>2876106

Probably never. The only person who owns a copy is Tim Stamper and they got footage off his copy for the video.

[Anonymous No.2877357]

>>2871517
Dream and B-K are unlikely as they've probably never leaked.
Conker 64 and Dinosaur Planet are possible, if that colossal faggot would let his boards get dumped instead of just posting shitty quality videos.

[Anonymous No.2877359]

>>2871557
>Sega lost the source for Sonic 1
>They made Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis anyway.

[Anonymous No.2877378]

>>2874736
The Arwing got figured out pretty quickly as just a Z-Targeting Testing Platform, for Volvagia in particular

[Anonymous No.2878269]

>>2872982
I think it's a bit like early television. There's lots of lost BBC shows from pre-1980's that are complete gone forever. They used to reuse the master tapes of shows for new recordings as they never thought that it would hold any kind of interest to future generations. When copies of Dr Who turn up that were believed to be lost, it makes headlines.

[Anonymous No.2878282]

>>2874719
Jesus that is a good spot.