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What do we define as retro?

As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years, why are Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube not considered retro consoles?

Granted, PlayStation 2 lasted until what, 2013? So I can kind of understand discontinuation dates, but, what's the actual reason we can't talk about systems from 2000 and 2001-2002?

>> No.2857223

You can totally talk about this but I don't it's gonna change anything any time soon.

>> No.2857226

>What do we define as retro?

This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>> No.2857227

>>2857226
To be more specific,

Why?

Why don't we define the other three as retro? You can't talk about that shit on /v/

>> No.2857231

>>2857218
>As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years, why are Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube not considered retro consoles?
They are the start of modern gaming. Objectively speaking there’s no argument for it. 6th gen is the start of modern gaming and will never be retro.

>> No.2857234

>>2857218
Retro doesn't just mean old, it's a generational function. The PS2 is old but largely it's games are modern era with modern design principles.
You can discuss them on /v/, if no one gives a shit well that's modern gamers fault for not giving a shit about their consoles and really as to be expected.

Including PS2 and later consoles even as they age out is really counterintuitive to what retrogaming is, which is not modern gaming.

>> No.2857237

>>2857227
>You can't talk about that shit on /v/
/moot/ and heir to the legacy /hiroshima/ have designated /v/ as the board in which to discuss PS2/Xbox/GC stuff.

It's board politics man, you can't fight it like that. It's the way it is, yea the userbase there is mostly or completely shit, deal with it.

>> No.2857239

>>2857237
>yea the userbase there is mostly or completely shit, deal with it.
Coincidentally, those are the people who "grew up" with the PS2/Xbox/GC stuff. Shit console libraries deserve shit userbases, so all it well.

>> No.2857241

>>2857218
Just post about what games you want to, OP. It'll stay up for a while for a day at least. People who are worth talking to won't throw a fit about it. We have ANIME threads on /vr/ all the time, for pete's sake.


Honestly, I'd rather /v/ just be renamed /b2/ and just have this be the board where we actually talk about games.

>> No.2857268

It's arbitrary and it's how I like it. We got plenty of games and consoles to talk about in here, without having to deal with a "Halo is retro" invasion.

>> No.2857278

>>2857268
I didn't now anybody would care about a Halo game that isn't the latest one. Or do you just mean troll threads?

>> No.2857279

Retro is whatever you like. Not retro is whatever triggers you.

>> No.2857282

>>2857278
Are you joking?

Halo is seen as the start fo the cancer that is the console FPS. The fanbase is terrible and the game is meh.

>> No.2857294

>>2857234
The Dreamcast is modern, though.

>> No.2857295
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>>2857282
>Halo is seen as the start fo the cancer that is the console FPS.

You're talking about the wrong generation, kid. Trust me, there were just as many Golden Eye frat parties back in the day as Halo ones. I can't even count how many I went to. Fuck.

Fuck, PS1 was the console that specifically targeted itself to dudebro non gamer teens/college students.

>> No.2857296

>>2857278
>I didn't now anybody would care about a Halo game that isn't the latest one.

You obviously don't know the right (aka WRONG) people

>tfw the MP demo for Halo feat. Blood Gulch was active for more than 10 years until the servers were shut down
>tfw tweens went through puberty while playing Halo 2 and did not absolutely give up playing online until the servers were forcibly shut down in 2010

>> No.2857306

>>2857296
>>2857295
>>2857278
How is any of this different from having the Doom general?

>> No.2857307

>>2857295
Just stop. You thinking any of the N64 FPSes play like Halo shows how fucking young you are.

Please do us all a favor and stick to /v/. Leave the Halo shit there.

Unlike 6thgen and later there were no FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers. Leave the dudebro shit in /v/ too, kid

>> No.2857310

>>2857306
What's wrong with the Doom general? It's a retro FPS.

>> No.2857312

Dreamcast is modern.

>> No.2857313

While I sympathize with your point of view OP, do you really think making a new topic to prove your point every time the old one dives face-first off page ten is going to yield results?

>> No.2857314

>>2857307
>Leave the dudebro shit in /v/ too, kid

It's amazing people act this unironically edgy on 4chan. You may as well unsheathe your katana too.

>> No.2857330

>>2857314
Look at this kid defending his dudebro shit this hard. He's probably not even trolling. Holy shit.

>> No.2857334

>>2857314

And yet his point is still sound. Halo is cancer, and the dudebros it spawned are so much wasted carbon.

>> No.2857337

>>2857330

This is the first time I've responded to you. I just wanted to call you an edgelord.

>> No.2857345

>>2857337
You just randomly pop into a post chain to defend a dudebro game like Halo.

Man you guys are truly a special fanbase.

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>>2857279
>sports games are the devil because reasons
> FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers is apparently a "non-retro thing"

I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about the Sega Genesis here. Or the Intellivision for that matter but I'm the only person who ever makes Intellivision threads anyway because /vr/ hates everything pre-NES

>> No.2857347

>>2857313
No, I'm just majorly confused on Dreamcast being retro.

>> No.2857352

>>2857346
I knew some retard would take that out of context. Please tell me how any of those consoles are “dudebro”? Especially since the term wasn’t a thing till later.

>> No.2857353

>>2857345

I said nothing about Halo. I was just amazed to see Gamefaqs-tier edge on 4chan.

>> No.2857354

>>2857218
> Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>> No.2857356

>>2857347
There are exceptions, like Deus Ex.

DC and DX have been part of /vr/ since like forever, only newfags complain but they are free to try and discuss either of them on /v/ and see how it goes.

>> No.2857358

>>2857353
Maybe you should do another 3 posts about how people are being edgy?

Calling the Halo fanbase dudebros is hardly edgy btw.

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>>2857307
>>2857279
>sports games are the devil because reasons
> FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers is apparently a "non-retro thing"
>Golden Eye, an FPS game is the third best selling N64 game ever

>> No.2857361

>>2857347
It was released before 2000. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

>> No.2857362

Who made the decision?

I'd like to ask them why 1999 is the cut off.

In 2020, are we going to be saying Xbox is modern while the Nintendo NX has two computer screens and holographic displays erupt out of the PlayStation 6?

>> No.2857365

>>2857358

pssshhht whatever u say kid...

*does an epic teleport behind u*
*slice u with EPIC katana*

take dis retrofag, back to /v/r with u

>> No.2857367

>>2857358
>Maybe you should do another 3 posts about how people are being edgy?
On /v/ that would be 6 independant threads.
Seriously, they can't even keep the Smash stuff in a single one as of now.

>> No.2857370

>>2857360
see
>>2857352


And for N64 please tell me how the system is dudebro? Is Mario Dudebro now?

>> No.2857373

>>2857347

I honestly think that was an exception someone on-staff in the era of m00t crafted so they could fulfill their maximum Sega boner. In a completely consistent /vr/ I'm pretty sure DC wouldn't be allowed either.

Still, it won't be long until the PS2 era is retro as well. All in good time...

>> No.2857375

>>2857362
>Who made the decision?
/moot/ did
>I'd like to ask them why 1999 is the cut off.
He's gone, you're free to contact /hiroshima/. You can try posting thme here but I don't think he comes here often.

>> No.2857379

>>2857373
PS2 will NEVER be considered retro.

>> No.2857381

>>2857370
Well, you like it and you're acting like a dudebro, senpai.

>> No.2857384

>>2857379
oh look it's cap'n obvious replying to obvious bait

have some self-respect man

>> No.2857389

>>2857354

This guy >>2857362 has a pretty valid point.

You can't stay pre-2000 forever.

>> No.2857390

>>2857381
What a great argument.

>> No.2857395

>>2857389
Yes we can. Just make a new board /vr2k/ for games made after 1999 and are too old for /v/

>> No.2857398

>>2857379
>>2857384

Not bait, and if you think the PS2 will never be considered retro you're fucking delusional.

>> No.2857403

>>2857379
Anybody have the "museum 100 years in the future destroys the last remaining gamecube in existence because of /vr/" post saved?

>> No.2857404

>>2857395

That would be up to management. I can't say it'd be an ideal solution, though.

>> No.2857406

>>2857398
Unless you have a time machine where you can go back to 1999 and give SONY the PS2, I think I can safely say the PS2 will never be retro.

>> No.2857407

>>2857389
>You can't stay pre-2000 forever.

Retro isn't a stand-in for "old", it's for gaming up to 1999.

If you people don't like our answers, just stop trying to argue. /vr/ wasn't improvised on some shaky foundation even you and those before you try to paint it as such.

>> No.2857408

>>2857390
No seriously, hyper aggressive and exclusionary. You might as well be wearing your team blazer if that word actually means something.

>> No.2857409

>>2857403
Only if someone also has the post where someone replied "there would be a different museum for games after 1999:

>> No.2857410

>>2857268
This. Comfiness comes with a price.

>> No.2857414

>>2857408
So in 2015 it is now "dudebro" to hate Halo?

>> No.2857421

>>2857407
>/vr/ wasn't improvised on some shaky foundation

Then why is Dreamcast allowed but the rest of the 6th generation games not allowed?

>> No.2857424

>>2857421
Because it's pre-2000, the rest aren't. Comprende?

>> No.2857425

>>2857421
Dreamcast isn't 6th gen; it's 5.5 gen

>> No.2857430

>>2857352
>>2857370
How is being proven wrong mean you're "taken out of context". You stated "there were no FPSes or sports games in the top5 of consoles best sellers." as if it were fact. You were wrong as Golden Eye was a top 3 best seller and an FPS.

There's nothing here to take out of context.

>> No.2857436

>>2857430
The context is what is dudebro, champ. Dudebro wasn't a thing when the Genesis was out in the 90s.

>> No.2857441

>>2857421
NAOMI
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>> No.2857445

>>2857436
So your entire argument on whether or not something should be allowed on the board is just saying that an insult/MEME exists?

>> No.2857446

>>2857424
What? It's definitely a millennium console.
>>2857425
No it fucking isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxLLhwCx4cM

Dreamcast vs PS2 is legendary. It's almost like Genesis vs Super Nintendo.

>> No.2857449

>>2857445
Are you autistic or just trolling at this point?

The rules are there regardless if a game is dudebro or not. Thankfully Halo is excluded so you're left to shitpost in these threads.

>> No.2857452

>>2857446
>What? It's definitely a millennium console.
Released in 1998, buddy. Milenium starts with the year 2000.

>> No.2857454

>>2857452
And yet it competed directly against PS2 and had comparative hardware.

>> No.2857459

>>2857218
/2d/ and /3d/ need to be made so stupid memeposts like this have no foothold anywhere

>> No.2857461

>>2857454
>And yet it competed directly against PS2 and had comparative hardware.
It's free to compete with anything in the same market, even if it comes out two years later. Irrelevant to the rules posted in the sticky.

>> No.2857468

>>2857461
You're makin' me rage, brotha.

You're assigning arbitrary numbers.

>IT'S BEFORE 1999

>But it was part of the 6th gen and introduced tons of modern elements to games now

>WELL IT'S BEFORE 1999 SO IT'S RETRO

Okay so Xbox is retro because it was developed in 1998/1999 too.

>> No.2857470

>>2857459
>/3d/

You realize there are 3d games from the 80s right

>> No.2857473

>>2857470
He's part of the modern gaming community that thinks 3d started with 5th gen and indie games are retro I'm assuming.

>> No.2857474

>>2857470
so they would go in /3d/? what about that doesn't make sense? its a solid rule list. there are 2d games/retro games made yesterday and i dont really understand the arbitrary 1999 limit

>>2857473
im suggesting detaching retro, something that means nothing, from the board theme, not that retro started with something else or whatever the fuck you are implying

>> No.2857478

>>2857459
What about 2.5d games like doom?

>> No.2857479

>>2857474
Too many problems like isometric sprites, 2d made with polygons, etc.

>> No.2857480

>>2857473
MAkes sense he'd be one of the idiots that would assign an arbitrary number to retro
>IF IT'S 1999 IT'S RETRO

>But Dreamcast is totally modern and competed in the 6th generation

>IT AIN'T MODERN, IT'S RETRO CAUSE BEFORE 1999

>What

>RETRO!!!!

>> No.2857483

>Retro means old but cool
>Old means outdated or aged

>Xbox 360, PS3, Wii can be considered old but not outdated... Xbox, PS2, and GameCube are definitely outdated

I don't think an argument can be made that says Xbox, PS2, Dreamcast, and GameCube are not "Retro" at this point.

>> No.2857487

>>2857478
aka 3d environments?

>>2857479
aka 2d environments?

theres no middleground, its either the illusion of 2d or the illusion of 3d

>> No.2857491

>>2857468
>You're makin' me rage, brotha.
Trying to discuss in a civil manner for once, stay with me, I'm just explaining the rules.

>IT'S BEFORE 1999

No, before 2000. Anything up to and including 1999, NOT 2000

(Deus Ex is an exception, for example but I dont know all of them and I don't want to confuse matters)

>But it was part of the 6th gen and introduced tons of modern elements to games now

I didn't mention generations anywhere because there's half-generations, of which the DC is a part of, and you're having some trouble with whole numbers so I'll just follow the simplest line of logic, 1999 good, 2000 bad.

>WELL IT'S BEFORE 1999 SO IT'S RETRO

Correct, and if it's 1999 it's retro as well.>>2857468

>Okay so Xbox is retro because it was developed in 1998/1999 too.

Why are you now talking about development? It's none of our concern if the Xbox was in development during retro years. You're only making it harder for you to understand the rules if you keep adding irrelevant parameters to a pretty simple set of rules.

>> No.2857494

>>2857491
> there's half-generations,

>> No.2857497

>>2857480
I don't and you're talking to a different anon.

Objectively retro is 1st to 5thgen.
>>2857487
So it's based on the environment not if it's 2d or 3d? So 3d polygon characters on a single plane is 2d?

>> No.2857498

>>2857491
I understand the rules you fucking idiot.

My point is they are arbitrary.

WHY is 1999 the number?

WHY? Do you know WHY? If not, following the rule for no reason makes no fucking sense.

>> No.2857504

>>2857497
what are you even trying to say? that would be 3d. games like xcom are 3d. games like grand theft auto are 3d. games like doom are 3d. they are 3d period, there is no 2.5d because they use models

>> No.2857507

>>2857504
You're a special person. I don't want to argue with someone that has that ridiculous of an opinion.

>> No.2857508

>>2857504
You can't move in 3d in doom, you can only move in 2d. There is no z-axis movement. So it is 2D then?

>> No.2857509

>>2857498
>WHY is 1999 the number?
>My point is they are arbitrary.

Answered your own question. It is arbitrary. Don't like it? There are plenty other chans where these rules don't exist. Visit those.
>>2857498
>I understand the rules
Good for you!
>you fucking idiot.
D R O P P E D
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P
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Have a nice day.

>> No.2857512

>>2857497
Is it really 1st? I think it's more 3rd to 5th since anything pre-NES sadly gets trolled to hell and back with 80% of the posts screaming that Atari/Intellivison/whatever is "UNPLAYABLE!!!"

>> No.2857513

>>2857509
>Ignoring the "Why" question

Nice.

>> No.2857517

>>2857512
Fuck those trolls.

240p
4:3 aspect ratio

1st-5th gen is retro,. 6th gen and later is modern.

>> No.2857518

>Everything before 2000 is retro

Well I say everything before 2014 is retro!
Don't like it, there are plenty of other chans where those rules don't exist!

It's time we update the fucking "Before 2000" thing.

Let's try "before 2004" please.

>tfw with these rules, Gameboy Advance isn't retro

It definitely is.

>> No.2857525

>>2857517
>6th gen is modern
Including Dreamcast.

>> No.2857527

>>2857517
That doesn't work or else a lot of arcade machines and Japanese PCs are banned.

>> No.2857528

>>2857525
I think so but I can see why it gets a pass here. Last SEGA console and whatnot.

>> No.2857529

>>2857528
Last Sega console that was also 6th gen and modern.

>> No.2857531

>>2857517
>240p
>4:3 aspect ratio
Like most PS2 games?

>> No.2857532

>>2857527
Go by the console age then. Arcades were dead by the early 2000s anyway.

>> No.2857535

>>2857531
Almost all PS2 games are 480i, kiddo.

>> No.2857540

>>2857517
>>2857527
Console aspect ratios also vary, even by game if we're talking PS1

>> No.2857542

>>2857540
They very but the majority are 4:3.

>> No.2857543

>>2857218
The sticky declares games made in or before 1999 to be "retro", and this post was made in 2014.

Given that "retro" changes it's definition over time, I would say that "retro" then, by board definition is anything which is older than the gap between 2014 and 1999, so anything older than 15 years = retro.

Thus, since it's 2015, games from 2000 are good, and next year, we can talk about halo.

However, most GCN, Xbox and ps2 games came out long after 2000, so we won't be discussing them until the 2020s at best.

>> No.2857547

>>2857535
Basically these are just other arbitrary numbers meant specifically to exclude shit you don't like.

There's no reasoning behind it.

>> No.2857549

>>2857507
how is it ridiculous? how is it anymoreso than your opinion?

>>2857508
what is your reasoning for a lack of a z-axis meaning a game is not 3d? is the original starfox not 3d because it isn't 6dof?

>> No.2857550

>>2857547
>facts
>arbitrary
Cool!

>> No.2857552

>>2857540
>>2857517
>>2857542
There's mother fucking Widescreen N64 games even. Star Fox 64 and Hyrbid Heaven now magically aren't retro if you select a certain thing in the options menu.

>> No.2857559

>>2857543
That sticky was made in 2013 and updated in 2014. Neither time did the 1999 rule change, nor will it next year, just as it didn't this year either.

>> No.2857560

>>2857550
Someone's really mad about his arbitrary retro distinction.

>> No.2857562

>>2857552
>b-b-b-but there's like 5 N64 games that have a faux widescreen mode so they aren't retro

Holy shit the autism.

>> No.2857563

>>2857549
If you can only move in a 2d plane, then its 2d.

>> No.2857565

>>2857560
Why am I mad, kiddo? Going by the resolution of these consoles fits pretty nice with the 99 cutoff.

>> No.2857571

>>2857565
>kiddo
You must be pretty young to not remember the Dreamcast coming out in the 6th generation.

>> No.2857575

>>2857571
I think you're confusing me with someone else, champ.

>> No.2857580

if we just start forcing it they will give in

>> No.2857581

>>2857218
NEVER EVER.
BACK TO /v/ KIDDO
MODS MODS MODS.

>> No.2857582

We don't even have mods to enforce the current rules, never mind new ones.

>> No.2857591

>>2857582
>Non-retro threads are deleted constantly and quickly

>> No.2857592

>>2857563
not every 3d game needs 3d movement, see kirby 64, duke nukem 3d (note the 3d), warcraft 3, etc

the whole point is to differentiate perspective, you are suggesting that all the games that aren't 3d platformers and fps games with multiple levels aren't 3d excluding most of all '3d' games.

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>>2857591
Ummm...

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2857613

This topic warrants discussion. I frequent other "retro" watering holes and it is still unclear or seemingly too strict on the classification. Sure PS2 isn't "retro" but it's old. Nobody would talk about or appreciate Gradius V (a fantastic PS2 release) on a modern shitposting board. I dont have all the answers but I would like to see this topic thought about.

>> No.2857618

>>2857613
Yes, but what are we, anon? Are we /vr/ - /v/ But With A Bit Less Shitposting, or are we /vr/ - Retro Games? Just because we'd be better off talking about it here doesn't mean it belongs here.

>> No.2857619

>>2857498
>I understand the rules you fucking idiot.
>My point is they are arbitrary

Like most rules?

>> No.2857642

>>2857591
I count four on the first two pages alone. One has been up for over a week.

>> No.2857654

>b-before 2000!!!!!
I'm not sure how much time needs to pass before 6th gen is considered retro here, but you can be sure that /vr/ fuckwits will do anything to talk around the explicit "retro" connotations that are synonymous with any 6th gen console's age.

>> No.2857664

>>2857227
what do the other three have in common?

dual. analog. sticks.

there's your reason.

>> No.2857695

>>2857654
They'll make a new board for ps2/gc/xbox and onwards. You can't put super mario bros 1 and halo 1 together on the same board and call them "retro".
Like just allowing ps2 alone would kill this board.

>> No.2857883

>>2857218
>What do we define as retro?
Whatever some mod says. Dictionaries be damned.

>> No.2857890

>>2857218
THE WIZARDS DID NOT GROW UP WITH THESE FILTHY CONSOLES,


Just wait for the 90s babies to become Wizards, itll change then.

>> No.2857918

It isn't a time based unlock where everything becomes retro after a given amount of time. The time period set out on this board represents an era in gaming. Most of what came after 1999 represents big changes in many areas. Not just the games themselves but also how organized the industry became in pushing it.

Some people take issue with the word "retro". Would they still be as pissed if the board were called "Classic Games" or something else? Perhaps we could consider everything from the beginning of time up until the 2000 split, "the first era". The the second era could be everything after that point until the demise of consoles, which probably isn't too far away. That would mark the beginning of the third era, at which point the separatists here can petition mook for a /vr2/ for second era games and consoles.


Also:
>125 posts
>26 IPs

I hate pulling the conspiracy/agenda cards, but the influx of spam and bait threads over the past week should have given you a clue.

>> No.2857943

>>2857218
Sorry, but the only way PS2/Xbox/GC/GBA games are allowed is if they have ports of retro games or retro game compilations. The Dreamcast is allowed because it has many ports of N64 and PS1 games. That and well, it came out before 2000.

>> No.2857957

>>2857943
No-one cared about ports until it became an easy way for shitposters to make threads solely about the new games.

>What's the definitive version of [insert game]? DS or PSP? (Obnoxious DS box art in the OP)

If it's substantially different from its /vr/ approved counterpart, it shouldn't probably be allowed. FF7 remake for instance.

If it's a direct port or re-release then I don't think anyone cares.

>> No.2857998

>>2857218
>As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years

Right, except the 360 is still going 10 years later.

>> No.2858001

I don't make the rules but /vr/ is two(?) years old and the cutoff point is the year 2000.
In three years, when it's been 5 years in total since the board's conception, we could raise the bar to 2001.

>> No.2858003

>>2858001
The way the console rule works, that would mean letting in the entirety of the PS2 library.

>> No.2858004

>>2858001
That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Why would five years passing amount to upping the limit by one year?

>> No.2858008

>>2857957
The only obnoxious thing about those (typically legitimate) threads is people like you getting self important and claiming the entire thing should be deleted because you don't like them, despite them being well within the rules.

>> No.2858009

>>2857918
It's no conspiracy, it's the same dozen or so idiots on each side arguing against the other dozen endlessly while most of the board doesn't really care

>> No.2858012

>>2858008
>well within the rules

Read the sticky. If you go strictly by the rules, if it was released after 2000 it isn't allowed unless the console itself was released before 2000. There isn't any special exception for remakes or even ports.

Sorry, but that's just how it is. We just turned a blind eye to it until people started taking advantage of it.

>> No.2858013

>>2858009
12 + 12 = 24

But there are 31 unique posters in the thread.

>> No.2858016

>>2858009
Agreed. Calling it a conspiracy is giving them far too much credit. It's just a few losers who show up every few months and spam the same shit for a few weeks.

>> No.2858017

>>2858013
31 - 24 = 7
7 + 3 = 11
31 + 11 = 42
I never saw it coming

>> No.2858019

>>2858012
To be fair, with the stupidly vague sticky we have to base our assumptions of the specifics more one what the mods/forfrees actually do. And they clearly don't care about ports.

>> No.2858020

>>2857957
NO. There is NO acceptable reason to discuss ports on /vr/

Either the port is the same, or it is different.

If the port is the same, then the original version could be discussed instead.

If the port is different, then it is in fact NOT the same game, but actually a different game (as it has been changed from the original), and if that port was made after 1999, then it is a new game made after 1999, and it should NOT be discussed on /vr/

>> No.2858023

>>2858020
And then there's people like this guy. You're probably an American who'd vote for Trump.

>> No.2858025

>>2858020
I was generally okay with port discussion when it was a case of pointing out all the reasons why the port is worse than the original but yeah, I agree with all that. Can't give these fuckers an inch.

>> No.2858026

>>2858023
>>>/pol/

>> No.2858029

>>2858020
What about ports made before 1999, like Donkey Kong on NES?

>> No.2858030

>>2858029
>made before 1999
Guess what?

>> No.2858046

>>2857310
The "Doom" General, like many other generals on /vr/, allow for non-retro discussion. Sometimes, its tame (Like said Doom general) where there is rarely discussion of non-retro stuff, but other times it is pure non-retro talk (like the Rollercoaster Tycoon general). I don't see why generals are allowed to break the rules.

>> No.2858056

>>2858003
In about three years the PS2 will be 20 years old. That's retro imo.

>>2858004
Because the limit is raised one year every year, we get fucked very quickly and we'll talk about XBOX 360 in two years.

>> No.2858061

>>2858056
>muh feelings
>ps2 is old enough but not ps3

Holy shit you kids make me lose hope. You really do.

>> No.2858063

how about if the game was provably released over 15 years ago then it's kosher

>> No.2858365

>>2857241
But then this board would become /v/

It's already worse than when it started.

Modern gaming discussion is and always will be a clusterfuck. I actually like modern games, I'm not one of those old men you sometimes see on /vr/ who hates every game from PS1 onwards, but for some reason modern games just don't breed good discussion.

>> No.2858368

>>2857294
A very large amount of the Dreamcast's library are /vr/ fighting and shmup arcade ports, games in the same vein as /vr/ fighting and shmup arcade games, and PS1 multiplats.

>> No.2858375

They should change the board to /19v/ - Twentieth Century Gaming. End the debate once and for all.

>> No.2858440

>>2857227
>You can't talk about that shit on /v/
Says who? People do that all the time.

>> No.2858447

>>2858046
>implying rule breaking
This has been an implied thing since day 1. One may talk about non-retro as long as it pertains to the retro topic. For example remakes, ports, sequels if it pertains even. RCT2 is a glorified expansion pack to the original but it has the modding tools. Therefore most of it goes to the second when it comes to the general.

Sometimes we talk about Deus Ex or Arcanum because close to the date. Big whoop.

>> No.2858449

>>2858020
I envy your bait skills. You always seem to drop in at the right time to get maximum rage.

Teach me master.

>> No.2858459

>>2858019
Actually the janitors at least view the some of the NOT RETRO as shitposting, and will delete the post if it's complaining about a port/remake.

Hiro called, he said chill.

>> No.2858481

>>2857582
We have a janitor but they prefer deleting ontopic threads with opinions they don't like while leaving offtopic threads they do like up for weeks.

>> No.2858536

>>2857314
>edgy
There's that word again!

>> No.2858561

>>2857231
Maybe the laziest, dumbest argument I've ever heard on the subject.

>objectively

Back to /r/gaming, little one.

>> No.2858562

Because there was a definite shift around the turn of the millennium. Games before then are different from games after then.

>> No.2858563

>>2858561
Sorry kid but no.

240p
4:3
fmv/prerendered 3d
low polygon count

That changed from 6th gen and later.

>> No.2858572

Holy shit this board is dead. You're all incredibly toxic, conceited douchebags that refuse to accept the existence of someone with different opinions than you. Fuck, you guys hate video games. There's no community here, it's a bunch of little kids kicking each other in the dick. I guess it's always been that way. Every so often I check back in to see if there are some interesting threads or something, but this is insane. It's been too long since I've seen people have a decent discussion here. This used to be a smaller board where conversations happened. Not trying to be nostalgic and claim /vr/ was better in the old days or some shit, and it's still probably not as pants-on-head retarded as /v/, but this is actually embarrassing. But you're just going to make fun of me for this post and then go on to keep painting the walls with your shit.

>> No.2858578

>>2858563
Retro = Pre-2005, dumbass

>> No.2858583

This has been up for more than a day, so obviously the mods don't care about deleting 6th gen shit now. I'm gonna go make a Gamecube thread.

>> No.2858587

>>2858572
>toxic
Stopped reading. Maybe add some more modern buzz words. 7/10
>>2858578
That's a subjective argument with not many facts to back that up.

>> No.2858593

The answer is that this board is for pre-2000 consoles' games, based on the rules. "Retro games" can be thought of as shorthand to describe them. If you think retro means pre-2005, great, but that doesn't make something released in 2002 released before 2000.

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>i dont want 6th gen on /vr/

>> No.2858620

>>2858593
Yes it does.

>> No.2858624

>>2858593
Maybe I'm just getting old but if you honestly think Halo isn't retro at this point you're deluding yourself.

>> No.2858628

>>2858619
It's likely the same people that think JRPGs are good.

>> No.2858631

>>2857234
I mean, 100 years from now, I think it will be silly to not consider the PS2 "retro". Yeah, that particular console will always represent a pretty big generational leap in what gaming was, but there will undoubtedly be other leaps in the future, so I think it's weird to identify that as the retro line for all time.

I agree that the PS2 isn't retro right now, though.

>> No.2858648

>>2857517
This would make Gamecube and Wii retro. I'm cool with this.

>> No.2858650

>>2857957
Fuck you, ports are always allowed.
Also, some ports are great and a better investment. Why spend needless cash on a Chrono Trigger SNES cartridge when I can get the DS card for cheap?

>>2857664
The PS1 had dual analog sticks.

>>2858012
Based on how mods handle them (as in, deleting the faggot REEEEE NOT RETRO posts), and always do, we can extrapolate that ports are allowed.

>>2858020
Ports are another way to play retro games, should we also ban emulators, emulator boxes, hardware clones and flashcarts because they weren't made before 1999?

>> No.2858687

>>2858650
not at launch, hombre.

>> No.2858735

>>2858687
I know that, cakeboy, but it doesn't change the fact that dual sticks became the standard for the PSX.

The Genesis only had 3 face buttons at first but that standard was changed.

>> No.2858763

>>2858735

Analog support on the PSX was tacked-on, a gimmick at best.

Go find a used Genesis and tell me what controller it has. The 3-button is utterly ubiquitous. They may have made 6 'the standard' but that doesn't mean it was anywhere as widely in use.

>> No.2858804

>Retro
Pre-Saturn and PSX
>Semi retro
32 bits in general
>Borderline semi retro
Dreamcast
>Not retro
PS2, GBA and beyond.

>> No.2858805

>>2858650
>Dr. Mario (NES)
Allowed because it runs on a /vr/ approved console.
>Dr. Mario (GBA)
Allowed because the host console (GBA) is emulating a /vr/ approved console (NES).
>Super Mario World (SNES)
Allowed because it runs on a /vr/ approved console.
>Super Mario Advance (GBA).
Not allowed, because it is not running on a /vr/ approved console.

For our purposes, an emulator emulating a particular console falls into the same category as the console itself.

The definition of port is a bit hazy here. For the most part, anything we can consider a port can also be considered a remake. There is no exemption in the rules for them, so they are subject to the same rules as every other game. The only thing that can save it is whether or not it runs on a /vr/ approved console, either physically or via emulation.

We should probably get rid of the word "retro" and come up with something else without changing any of the rules. It seems to confuse a lot of people who think retro = old.

>> No.2858992

>>2857231
>They are the start of modern gaming.
I would argue the Playstation is the beginning of modern gaming. 3d-centric and focused on broad appeal.

>> No.2858996

>>2857307
>You thinking any of the N64 FPSes play like Halo shows how fucking young you are.
Your ability to completely miss the point is impressive.

>> No.2859010

I think 4chan should make a new board /vm/ vidya millennium. Because millennials edge with retro gamers (crt fags, collecteurs, Pixel purists) but also with modern gamers (ugly undertale trannys, wii u negros and fallout 4/gta kiddies). The millennials are the emo/scene kid/hipster generation of all gaming generations. Now everyone would be happy as anyone would have their safe-space.

>> No.2859042

>>2857218
Personally 1st-4th generation is retro to me. The jump to 3-d saw a beginning of huge change in not just how games were made, but what games were made.

>> No.2859045

>>2859042
This dumb kids thinks 3d started with 5th gen. Oh boy the state of /vr/ these days.

>> No.2859053

>>2859045
the funniest meme posters are the butthurt Snes fags that claim psx isn't 3d. I laugh everytime I see them. they clearly have never played spiro or doom raider.

>> No.2859074

I don't get why it is so hard to just accept that, as it stands under the current board rules, "retro videogames" doesn't mean "old videogames relative to the current year," but "games for platforms which were made prior to the year 2000." Write to our Japanese overlord if you want it changed, because otherwise it isn't part of the board discussion just like how scat hentai doesn't belong on /h despite it still being porn drawn by a Japanese artist.

>> No.2859102

>>2857227

You want the real answer? To keep the board the way it is. The reason WHY this is such a relatively great board with not that much shitposting and actual discussions is BECAUSE it is such a niche board! A nice more or less hidden corner where people can talk about their not- so mainstream and therefore not so frequented hobby.
As soon you open it up to newer systems it will become /v/ 2.0 You can already see this when comparing this board as it is now to when it was new. Restricting it to these older system makes
a: The userbase statisticly older, because they mostly will be people who were young when these consoles were state of the art, and
b: Keeps it relatively hidden. the board here HAS to stay small in order to keep being the way it is. Allowing newer systems will increase the userbase which is BAD for this kind of board.

THAT is why they are excluded from being seen as "retro" and that is why they SHOULD KEPT this way.

WHen making the board the aesthestics of the consoles and such were relevant for setting a cutoff point, but now it is important to keep that point simply to keep the board the way it was.

>> No.2859207

>>2857370
It's really cute how you think wrestling games, edgy mascot Conker, 1080/Tony Hawk, Killer Instinct/Mortal Kombat, Goldeneye splitscreen, and the rest of the first person shooter collection aren't appealing to dudebros.

I'm not saying N64 is a dudebro console, that audience can overlap just about anything.

>> No.2859215

>>2859207
Called context, champ

>> No.2859219

>>2857517
>>2857531
Some PS1 games render at 480i

>> No.2859223

>>2857562
Only a small percentage of PS2 games have 16:9 or progressive scan.

>> No.2859224

>>2859219
Not everything is an absolute. Take your autism pills.

>> No.2859228

>>2859223
Are you being serious right now? Generally curious because you're like the 8th idiot in this thread to not understand this simple concept. Seems to be common in these threads.

>> No.2859229

>>2859102

Older people tend to be more stupid though.

>> No.2859243

>>2859224
The only reason autism I see in this thread are a bunch of shitters trying to cherrypick really bad reasons why 6th gen isn't retro.

>uhhh it's got 3D graphics!
>uhhh it's got analog sticks!
>uhhh it supports widescreen!
>uhhh it supports progressive scan!
>uhhh it was too popular!
>uhhh it still had a couple games coming out in '10!

That is real autism.

>> No.2859246

>>2859223
Not retro. Also there's nearly 300 games that support 16:9 or progressive scan. There's like 10 that support 1080.

>> No.2859247

>>2859053
Technically the games are 2D bro

>> No.2859248

>>2859243
Sure.

Me pointing out the resolutions and aspect rations isn't cherry picking or autism. It's a dividing factor between retro and new. Modern consoles being 6th and later generations.

>> No.2859280

>>2859248
And I'm saying some PS1 and N64 games had 16:9 too, meaning those factors cannot count.

>>2859246
Wikipedia says there are 4 games that support 1080i.

>> No.2859287

>>2859280
>And I'm saying some PS1 and N64 games had 16:9 too, meaning those factors cannot count.
I think a handful of PS1 games had 16:9. N64 none did. They had a widescreen mode that was letterboxed.
You’re talking about a very niche thing.

The vast majority of all games from 1stgen to 5thgen are 240p and 4:3 aspect ratio.

The vast majority of 6thgen and later games are 480i/p or higher and 16:9 capable.


If you don’t see this divide here you’re a troll or just a very dumb person who has too much feeling in his opinion and not enough fact.

>> No.2859294

>>2859247
The PSX didn't render sprites, only polygons.
Every sprite you see in a PSX game was a flat model with the grahic pasted on it.

>> No.2859297

>>2859287
Virtua Fighter on 32X has a widescreen mode.

>> No.2859303

>>2859297
There's exceptions. There's early 480i games too.

That doesn't change what I said.

>> No.2859305

>>2859287
Xbox pushed 16:9 and progressive scan as a standard.

I still have difficulty finding a use for PS2 component cables because most (yes, MOST) of its library does not support 16:9, progressive scan, or both. You guys love to push how PS2 is some 16:9 480p machine that "has a handful of 1080 games." If 480 interlaced is such a trigger word for autists, I'm saying PS1 had a few instances of 480 interlaced too.

>> No.2859308

>>2859305
Almost everything on the PS2 is 480i. Read what I said again.

>> No.2859313

>>2859229

In my experience they are more able to have normal conversations, especially online without shitposting and such.

>> No.2859319

>>2859229
>>2859313
Old people are also the ones who like to draw the line in music right at the end of their dadrock era, because they said so. Then they raise their shit children to parrot the same shit.

>> No.2859421

>>2857218
The reason why is cuz the board has a mad at or cut off not a rolling cut off. So by the board definition it's not retro, your personal definition doesn't matter.

>> No.2859427

>>2857239
Coincidently that board is becoming quality while this one is starting to fester cuz all us old folks buy into bait to easy.

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Oh, our regular thread. Wonder how I missed it.
>>2858992
This.

>> No.2859429

>>2857307
Well he is right, just cuz you can't see it as that, either from being to young or not being out of the house mich during that period we all played the fuck out of n64 in college and it bled into ps then onwards from there.

>> No.2859432

>>2857373
You all been saying ps2 will be retro son for years now, you people are worse than the crazy fanatic oj the corner screaming about the end being near.

>> No.2859434

>>2859294
PSX render sprites similar way the Saturn did, but it was well hidden; PSX polygons are still distorted (triangle though) sprites on a plane. Real 3D rendering on consoles went with N64.

>> No.2859452

>>2859429
2015 and some kid is honestly trying to argue N64 is a dudebro console.

Just fuck it. Let all the modern shit in. /v/ is here already.

>> No.2859493

>>2858365
They do its just the user base same as anything. Honestly us old guys get baited easy and don't see it. Sadly /v is becoming better than us now. You know why? Cuz they can talk about the games without a ton of divergence and flaming. They also ignore most of the bait unlike us here.

>> No.2859496

>>2858572
Looks like Nesfag finally blew a gasket. Someone get his heart med's quick!

>> No.2859824

to me retro does not totally equal nostalgia though its what people are starting to think. Retro is 1st Gen - Dreamcast, retro gaming overall was in my personal opinion was more arcade-centric, getting Space Invaders and Pac man on Atari or SF II on SNES, Genesis, and PC Engine was a big deal. Thats why I see the Dreamcast being the last retro console since its biggest titles were mostly arcade titles, the death of the dreamcast represented the end of Retro gaming and transition into the modern gaming era thanks to Sony. I'd write more but this isn't wordpress.

>> No.2859979

>>2859824
>thanks to Sony
While Sony did play a part, I think Microsoft was a much bigger influence in the transition into the modern industry.

>> No.2860013

>>2859247
Yeah blah blah. If it was 2D you wouldn't be able to render it any resolution you want and it would still look good. You can render both Spyro and Ocarina of Time in 4K and they look amazing. While Mario Kart and Final Fantasy IX both look like shit because
>hurr durr muh 2d stuff
Even Snes could do some 3D even if it was limited and involved some trick. Anyway if polygons are involved like in case of ps1 and the thing with rendering at any resolution it's 3D . You can talk shit all you want, you can't change that fact.

>> No.2860015

>>2859434
And that is still 3D bro.

>> No.2860030

>>2859434
The mistake you make is that you think only 3d in terms of perspective but 3D is not just about perspective. 3D means that an object is rendered in three dimensions. You can open Unreal engine and design a 2D game in 3D. Although it's 2D it's technically still a 3D game. You get my point? That is the flaw in you logic. You can even make it 1D.... BUT as soon as Polygons are involved, it's 3D involved. If you create a moving "Sprite" character for Final Fantasy VIII, you have to open up a 3D program called 3ds max, Maya or similar. Those programs work with polygons because they are 3D animation programs. Even if the 3D of ps3 is limited or on an 2D plane , it is still a 3D console because it uses real 3D models just like n64 uses them but not the Snes.

>> No.2860035

>>2860030
psx not ps3. Sorry lmao

>> No.2860043

I have no idea how this thread managed to eclipse both the shmup and Castlevania threads in sheer shitposting, but it did.

>> No.2860073

Retro = Cheap shit you can buy from people who think it's old and useless. That's the only consideration. Most people think it's old and shitty, we know it's cool and valuable. If so, Retro.

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>>2857218
I use to determine on what is retro or not is if the game would still be selling used at Gamestop.
It's going to be a really weird to see 7th gen being considered retro whenever 9th gen comes around.

>> No.2860165

>>2858804
>PSX
Underage pls go.

>> No.2860206

>>2857509
jesus christ, I see what this board is, it isnt about "retro gaming" at all, its just neckbeard 30+ year olds circlejerking about "the good ol' days"

>tfw 10 years from now the rules will still be "only consoles up until 2000!"

Jesus Christ this place is worse than /v/ with the autism

>> No.2860208

>>2860073
>retro = cheap
Not here, no sir. Prices for retro consoles skyrocketed at an alarming rate in the last three years.

>> No.2860216

>>2857618
except by the very definition of Retro, the PS2 and it's generation belongs here, not on /v/, but we have autists who scream and piss their pants at the thought of anything past their childhood being discussed here, and there are no real mods to actually decide on anything regarding the matter, and Moot definitely didnt care, and Hiro is too busy figuring out how to even Admin properly to care.

its a subject that NEEDS to be discussed, because otherwise, non-meme games that are too old for /v/ to care, but too new for /vr/'s autism to accept will literally disappear and never be talked about, when there's plenty of people on /vr/ that most likely played them, and would probably discuss them.

>> No.2860220

>>2857695
>You can't put super mario bros 1 and halo 1 together on the same board and call them "retro".

right now I can discuss both Pacman and Final Fantasy 9 on here.

how is that any less jarring a gap?

And compared to what modern Halo, and by extension, the modern FPS Genre has become, I'd say Halo 1 definitely belongs here more than /v/

>> No.2860221

>>2857998
no, it really isnt.

>> No.2860230

>>2858804
I dont get how PS2 isnt retro.

It certainly isn't current, like the PS3 can be considered.

if the PS1 could be considered retro when the PS3 was at it's peak, there's no reason for the PS2 to not be retro, when it's in the same position now that the PS1 was last gen.

>> No.2860243

>>2860230
>>2860216
>>2860206
>>2859824


>>> >>2859010

>> No.2860251

>>2860243
thats the stupidest idea ever. theres a reason there's a main vidya board, and a retro vidya board.

because /v/ eventually outgrows discussion on older gens, at which point its expected theylll fade to /vr/.

otherwise we'll be filled with /v/ derivatives.

>> No.2860256

>>2859010

Considering someone had the idea to create a retarded board like /aco/ so yeah, why not? I like 6th gen but it simply don't belong in here

>> No.2860258

>>2860256
>by 2030 we will have like 15 /vr/ boards each dedicated to a particular generation that the other boards dont want

I dont like this future

>> No.2860262

>>2860251
it's not a stupid idea, as every generation of gamers has their board then. what is your problem?

>>2860258
what is your problem? only trolls would love one board for all gens so they can fight. we don't want fights on /vr/ we want peace. so naturally a /vm/ would be beautiful as /vr/ and /vm/ wouldnt destroy each other in one board as it is the case now. why do you dislike problem solving solutions?

You have /vr/ ranging from 80(+pre 80s)-99 (including dreamcast)
You have /vm/ ranging from 94-05 (including psx,n64 and dreamcast as well - crossover - but also psp )

so every 10 years a board. by 2030 we would have 4 and not 15.
/v/ for current. /vr/ , /vm/ and /vmx/

>> No.2860264

>>2860262
every 10 to 20 years.
/vmx/ would be 06 to end of ps4 xbone era.

>> No.2860273

>>2860258

2bh I only care about /vr/, don't care if other anons are shit flinging in their boards masturbating to console specs or other things

>> No.2860364

>>2857218
The earliest I can imagine 6th gen being allowed in is once we've hit the 2020's when 9th gen is relevant.

And even then, once that does happen, we'd then need an additional rule to ban PS2 games from 2007 onwards, and any 05-06 multiplat games that were also released on 7th gen consoles.

>> No.2860365

>>2860165
you're probably fucking underage or just barley 18, but this is probably bait.

>> No.2860369

>>2860364
>we'd then need an additional rule to ban PS2 games from 2007 onwards, and any 05-06 multiplat games that were also released on 7th gen consoles.


that's actually what I was thinking, I'd like to see that tested out or something.

Most ps2 games after 06 were just sports games, shovelware or inferior ports anyways

>> No.2860372

I can't believe this thread has stayed up for almost 3 days while my Gamecube thread was removed within the hour. Mods are fucking hypocrites is all I have to say.

>> No.2860402

A few words in support of the 6th gen as retro, perhaps in a few years - the transition between 6 and 7 brought several commonalities. Hard drives and online infrastructures went from experimental to standard. With such support in place, consoles were able to operate entirely through net delivery and forego physical media. They started streaming Netflix and Spotify. Essentially, unlike the previous generations, 7th gen onward no longer saw their machines as dedicated gaming consoles - they became universal media consumption devices.

That is why I see 6th gen as the last breath of a paradigm. It was couch multiplayer's last hurrah before "a console per person" became commonplace. It was the last time Nintendo churned out one for us, before selling out. It was the swan song of the JRPG as the genre with the most public presence. After all that, it became an iPhone's word, baby. The "console" as a concept rests in peace.

>> No.2860438

>>2860165
PSX is listed as semi retro. True retro is everything before PSX and Saturn to me.

>>2860230
Because 5 gen is already half/half, like a transition. Late Dreamcast was aleady full not retro.

>> No.2860483

>>2857218

Because fuck hosting Persona and Melee discussion here

Jesus fuck why does a thread like this need to be up at all fucking times

Just go post on /v/ and leave us alone

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>>2860483
you sound like someone from tumblr.
>leave us alone
>muh safe space
>retrosogyny

>> No.2860502

>>2860483
>ban melee from /vr/
>ban halo from /vr/
>ban cod from /vr/
>persona stays on /vg/
Already looking up.

>> No.2860516

>>2860402
6th gen started the HDDs and online play...

Just stop.

>> No.2860661

>>2860206
Exactly. It's horrifically stupid.

>> No.2860664

>>2857218
All consoles should be considered retro since they're all horribly out of date.

>> No.2860667

>>2860216
Which is why it needs to adapt every generation or so.

Xbox, PS2, GC are all retro now. People need to grow up and accept it.

>> No.2860671

>>2860501
Not that anon, but you're jumping to a hell of a conclusion. I think 6th gen is absolutely retro, but I sure don't want the cancer that is Smash and even more fucking JRPGs being posted here.

>> No.2860672

>>2860208

You're buying from other enthusiasts, not normals.

>> No.2860689

>>2857218
Better question; when will you faggots finally get laid?

>> No.2860948

>>2860483
>go on /v/
>nobody wants to discuss game because it's old
>go to /vr/
>autists shitfit that it isnt old enough

>> No.2860951

>>2860667
early-mid 6th gen is definitely retro, at least insofar as the gaming culture is concerned.

I still remember the 'cool" vidya displays in places like K-Mart and vidya still being advertised much in the same was as the 5th gen was.

it was 7th gen that totally changed the core culture of gaming

>> No.2860970

The GBA was released in 2001, but it's basically a SNES. Should it be considered /vr/? Because from what i'm reading, retro has nothing to do age and everything to do with style.

>> No.2861041

>>2857218
I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that while some of the 6th gen has become retro especially the GBA, there's still a fair amount of discussion over on /v/ and other places to justify barring their discussion for the foreseeable future. I think the earliest that you can expect for any sixth-gen discussion to be entertained will be when the 9th gen consoles are announced or when 2018 rolls around, which ever comes sooner.

Also, most console gens tend to last five years, with the third and the seventh being the odd ones out.

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>>2857227
>Why don't we define the other three as retro?
Because allowing them will cause things like pic related to happen frequently.

>You can't talk about that shit on /v/
Yes you can.

>> No.2861049

>>2860951
How was advertising modems, DVD players, and widescreen ED+ video the same as consoles prior?

>> No.2861084

>>2861046
I think it would be perfect if we included 6th gen, because it's obviously retro, but just banned JRPG, Smash, and general Nintendo discussion to keep shitposts to a minimum. Take that garbage to /a/ or something. Ugh.

>> No.2861089

>>2861084
So allow 6th gen but ban everything that defined 6th gen?

>> No.2861095

>>2861046

Then just ban melee and persona threads if it triggers your autism so much.

>> No.2861103

>why are Xbox, PlayStation 2 and GameCube not considered retro consoles?

Because you like them and we hate you.

>> No.2861119
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PS2 is totally retro guys, and I can't wait to discuss retro PS2 games like pic related on /vr/!

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>>2861119

>> No.2861151
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>>2861119
>>2861148

>> No.2861159

>>2858061
PS2 is pretty fucking old. i dont think much people under 18 even know it nowadays

>> No.2861162

>>2861159
People under aren't allowed on 4chan, so who cares?

>> No.2861167

>>2861151
man NFS Underground was the shit. i cant believe they could get something like that running on PS2

I always thought of GBA as a handheld SNES desu. No idea why it isn't retro //HERE

>> No.2861183

>>2860667
u just need to grow up and turn 18.

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>>2861151

>this image

>> No.2861228

>>2861183
People who grew up on 6th gen consoles are on their 20's by now.

>> No.2861247

>>2861228
*25

>> No.2861273

>>2861167
Because GBA isn't a handled SNES. It's a very underpowered console for its time is all.

>> No.2861274

>>2861228
>IT WAS AROUND WHEN I WAS A KID SO THAT MEANS ITS RETRO

Holy shit, no

>> No.2861276

>>2861273
Have you noticed how even current handhelds are very underpowered?

>> No.2861280

>>2861151

So much autism, those GBA games came out the same time those Dreamcast games did, if not before

>> No.2861283

>>2861276
That's because they don't want to sell them for $500.

>> No.2861313

>>2861283

Imagine the awful battery life of a portable PS4

>> No.2861435

>>2860501

>Why should I follow rules? That just makes it a hugbox

>>>/b/
>>>/s4s/
>>>/trash/

>> No.2861585

I understand board rules regarding the whole 1999 borderline, But GBA should be allowed here.

Not DS, not GC/Xbox/PS2

GBA is mostly SNES ports, and sequels to SNES and Gameboy games. We can't even discuss those sequels hee because of the defining line.

You can talk wario land 1-3 but lord have mercy if you even so much as mention Warioland 4.

Its dumb. GBA is basically a portable SNES. it should be allowed.

>> No.2862041

is this thread in limbo or is /vr/ just this slow today? It hasnt left the front page in 3 hours.

>> No.2862156

>>2861151
None of those games on the dream cast side are the actual games they say they are. Hilarious. Let's compare ps2 games to gba and try to make a point. Try that pic with actual dream cast games and you will see why.

>> No.2862198

>>2858992
>focused on broad appeal.
Plenty of earlier consoles had major TV ad campaigns. If TV is a viable medium for advertising your product it definitely has 'broad appeal'.

>> No.2862203

/v/ should be current, /v6/ should be ps2,gcn,xbox,gba and eventually PS360, psp, DS. /vr/ should not change

>> No.2862205

Just for 2 years man.

>> No.2862214

"What's retro?" You ask me as you lock
My pupil in your pupil of pure blue.
"What's retro?" You of all people ask me?
Retro is you.

>> No.2862979

>>2860970
I think that even if we were to make a /vr2k/ board, the GBA would still ultimately fit better on here because the library, graphics and gameplay is ultimately very 4th and 5th gen

>> No.2863153

>>2861276
Nintendo's offering pretty much always is, yes. Exceptions being the N64 (with stupid design flaws thought, inc. no RGB) and the Gamecube (great hardware pretty much all around).

>> No.2863221

>>2861283
This, Nintendo always did this, that's their philosophy, that was the idea with the NES, to make the most out of contemporary tech when it's affordable, so that the resulting product is affordable to the consumer.

Hell, it's not even unusual for them (or at least was), to sell systems at a cost or even a loss, making up for it on software sales.

The old Gameboy was hardly the cream of the crop of tech at it's time, that was the point, it was selling for real cheap, and they sold like a hundred million of them.

>> No.2863294

>>2860970
>retro has nothing to do age and everything to do with style.
If we went with that ideal, we'd be Indie Games.

What we actually need is a rename to Historic or something like that.

>> No.2863305

>>2860948
>nobody wants to discuss game because it's old
Too bad for you.

Don't shit up this board as a result.

>> No.2863323

>>2857218
I consider retro games anything before 2000. I think retro should never apply to 6th gen or any gen before 5th gen no matter how old. I don't think of retro as a age but instead a period of time.

>> No.2863451

>>2863305
well fuck you too

>> No.2863457

ITT: college kids that think they're old

retro gaming era has already been defined.
you were born too late.
get over it

>> No.2863468

>fucking retards who think they will add another board just for 6th gen

just allow it here, the shitposting wont last long , its not like allowing 6th gen will magically ruin every other thread

>> No.2863473

>>2861280
none of those pictured games are dreamcast or gba games.

>> No.2863571

>>2857918
>Classic Games
The term "Classic" isnt a "Retro" synonym. "Classic" means something typical or more refined of some genre or period. Call of duty and Assassin's creed are classics of their respective genres and time periods, and i am not saying it to undermine your point, but that's a bad choose of a term.

>> No.2863584

>>2863457
This.

>> No.2863589

>>2859229
Then it is a simple decision then. Since older consoles tend to have older user bases (yes people can use virtual console, PSN, emulation, or collect consoles/games that came out just as they were born or beforehand) then if you want to discuss the other ones why don't you just go to /v/ for a younger audience to discuss anything from the GBA/PS2 and onward.

With that I don't see why there needs to be a conversation, you know what you want so why butt into here?

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>>2858992
>focused on broad appeal
What did this focus on then?

>> No.2863606

Holy shit, those threads from the people who doтt understand the letter of the rules, nor the spirit of them.
There is a rule of 1999 for consoles because on the next generation the two analog stick controller became industry standart that pretty much solidified fundamental gameplay principles and mechanics. There is always some acceptable cjuple of years of gap though - post-2000 games are often discussed (like Arcanum, for example) - but only for GAMES, not for CONSOLES, because of the obvious reason - if the PS2 as a whole will be considered retro then 2006-2007 games may as well be, which is retarded. I personally think that the point of considering retro for consoles may be changed to the year when official support stopped and the first party games stopped releasing, but the existing rule is perfectly fine and when the excepsion needs to be made, it is.
>b-but what about some cool 2004 game that i want to talk about!
Talk about it on /v.
>b-but noone wants to there!
Well, make a more interesting OP next time.
Dixi.

>> No.2863609

>>2863457
Hey man, I'm 25 and I still think the GBA is rad. it was like a portable Super nintendo.

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>>2863606
>- if the PS2 as a whole will be considered retro then 2006-2007
Also if this happened guess what came out in 2004 and would get a push to be put onto here?

>> No.2863625

>>2863613
I dont care about snowballing.

We allow gameboy, Gameboy color, yet no Game boy advance. The last of its line should allowed, DS can fuck off to /v/.

The GBA has several GB/GBC sequels that we cant discuss, as well as tons of Ports and Remakes of classic /vr/ titles.

Its inclusion should be allowed jsut based on those factors. its far more /vr/ then the Dreamcast, which shares GC and PS2 multiplats

>> No.2863627

>>2863613
I dont have it and know very little about handhelds. What about it?

>> No.2863652

>>2863625
Which GC and PS2 multiplats? I can think of Soul Reaver 2, but unsure about others.

I also care about snowballing.

I haven't seen anything that doesn't make it so you aren't allowed to talk about ports or remakes. Have you seen all of those Final Fantasy threads talking about current iOS ports of SNES FF titles or suggesting NDS versions of FFIV, or remake threads talking about Resident Evil Remake?

>>2863627
That if you don't hold down the current rule set it will easily let more and more consoles/handhelds pass, or at least let them have a foot in the door. Already had it with the Dreamcast, don't let it happen anymore, or at least for a few years.

>> No.2864229

>>2863652
>That if you don't hold down the current rule set
But i was talking about holding him!
>it will easily let more and more consoles/handhelds pass
So?

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>>2863625
>ports
lol

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Am I the only one who hates using word "retro" in this context? "Oldschool" feels more right.

>> No.2864480

>>2864468
I tend to use "classic". Retro is more evocative than representative.

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I can't believe there are people who actually want 6th gen to be included.

>> No.2864634

>>2864468
Absolutely if for nothing more than to stop pedantic arguments like we get all the fucking time that want to push 'retro' to fucking 2012 because someone thinks the ps2 is rero just because it's two generations old and old=retro

>> No.2864641

>>2864615
Probably some might be younger posters who want to fit in by having their childhood memories considered retro and up for discussion.

>> No.2864679

>>2859427

This. I don't know why everyone here thinks this board is so much better than /v/. I was seen an earthbound thread there the other day and it made me realise how shitty this board can be. They were actually talking about the game. Posting fan art and discussing their favourite characters and just talking about the game.

Earthbound threads here are basically the opposite. They're focussed mainly on collectors complaining about how expensive it is, or showing off their copy of the game, masturbating over the box art and probably posting pictures of the game playing on their crt tv. Basically talking about anything but the game itself. Comparing both boards attempt at the same thread really exposes the cancerous elements of this board.

>> No.2864689

>>2863457

I'm 27 and I want to talk about PS2 games here. I think it's a good idea because /v/ is mainly concerned with the current and previous gens and it'd be nice to see the PS2 era get more love. Also, it would give us some new stuff to talk about here so this board doesn't get too stale.

You being older than someone doesn't make you right, it doesn't give you authority. Anyone who ever tries time use their age to win an argument is ironically immature as all fuck.

>> No.2864692

>>2864641
I'm 26 and have been gaming since '92, I want 6th gen so I have something worth discussing here.

Everything has been exhausted. We're almost at three million posts for god's sake.

>> No.2864953

>>2864692
This, I'm born 92' and grew up playing games on NES, Gameboy, N64 and PC, which included lots of emulation.

I've always been into this shit and it would be nice if there was a place on here to discuss 6th gen games, /v/ doesn't count because it's a faggot board that doesn't like videogames.

If 6th gen doesn't fit on /vr/, then a /vr2k/ might be in order (though the GBA feels like a very /vr/ system).

>> No.2864958

'92? You guys are pretty young.

>> No.2864974

>>2864953
>then a /vr2k/
Sounds like a good idea to me.

>> No.2864991

>>2864958
The age around here ranges between 20 to 30 on average, though I'm sure there's some underage b&s with genuine interest too.

I began lurking /k/ when I was 16 (and /h/), I'm sure many else were similar.

>>2864974
It's been suggested before.
Partially I love it because I want to talk about videogames, but partially I hate it because it would be splitting the userbase it feels like

>> No.2865030

>>2864974
its /vm/ not /vr2k/

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>>2861435
rules are for losers

>>>/electric-chair/

>> No.2865380

>>2865030
M as in Modern? No way, that'd bring in all the dipshits from current gen.

It should pertain to any sufficiently old game from this millenium, like maybe initially between 2000 and maybe 2005, or maybe 06, then incrementally moving that limit one year at a time.
Specifically covering PC games from those times and 6th gen console games, 7th gen getting let in later.

I mean, I'd love to discuss current games on 4chan, but the only place to do this is /v/, and since /v/ is a quagmire of shitposting and retardation, that's not really a possibility.

>discuss even remotely old game on /v/
>"DURRR YOU DIDN'T HAVE FUN TAKE OFF YOUR NOSTALGIA GOGGLES"
>discuss a current or upcoming game on /v/
>"HURRR STOP SHILLING, [insert buzzword here]-DRONE"
>"HEEEEEERRRR LET'S DISCUSS SOME STUPID INDUSTRY OR JOURNALISM DRAMA WHO CARES ABOUT PLAYING VIDEOGAMES"
And to top that off, mountains of retarded offtopic discussion and stale unfunny memes

It would be fantastically nice if there was a place on 4chan to talk about old 2000's games that wasn't the /v/ermin board.

>> No.2865395

>>2864615
People dont want 6th gen. They just want GBA.

6th gen is already part of /vr/ because of Dreamcast. We already are 6th gen.

>> No.2865401
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Ps2 is literally retro now. tell the mods to allow to me to talk about it without getting banned FUCK
/v/ doesnt talk about ps2 anymore

>> No.2865408

>>2865401
This. Talking about PS2 on /v/ gets you a fedora tip and a sage because "not relevant"

/v/ just wants to shitpost newer games for replies and reactions, they don't actually care to discuss the game itself. Only whats wrong with it,

Ban the Xbox if you have to its a japanese Imageboard, and thers no place for american amde consoles, thats fair. But don't exclude all those sequels and games that people want to talk about just ebcause of some arbitray rule.

Moot isnt even around anymore, I doubt Hiro would give a fuck.

>> No.2865415

we should be able to talk about ps2 next year
back in 2014, mr. mod made dreamcast retro when at that point it was 15 years old

in 2016, ps2 will now be close to 15 years old

>> No.2865418

>>2865415
wait a fucking minute it came out in 2000
why the fuck aren't we allowed yet?

>> No.2865423

>>2865418
1999 is the cutoff, yet shit like the Dreamcast gets a push only because its so obscure and nobody but Sega nerds would talk about it.

In actuality, the grandpas here are just scared talking about GC and PS2 will make this place into another /v/.

>> No.2865426

>>2865415
Has nothing to do with years or age. Its set in stone. 1970-1999 is /vr/.

It could be 2034 and PS2 still won't be considered retro here. Never. Ever.

>> No.2865430

>>2865418
I would put money on a small number of units existing in the previous millennium too. It only launched in 2000-03

>> No.2865471

>>2860262
>by 2030
you have pretty high hopes for 4chan

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>>2865426
>It could be 2034 and PS2 still won't be considered retro here.

>> No.2865937

>>2865380
M for Millennial
>vidya millennial

>> No.2865942

>>2865937
lol ataridad

>> No.2865958

>>2859319

Younger people are stupid because they actually believe this nonsense.

>> No.2865962

So i guess it's settled, we need to:

Allow GBA on /vr/
make /vr2k/ for 2000-2004 games
/vrm/ for 2006-2015 6th gen games
/vrg2k/ for retro generals of 2000s games (no one dows generals about those games anymore)
/vrq/ for meta discussion about what should be allowed on the vr boards
/vri/ for indie retro styled 8bit games
/vrceleb/ for discussion about e-celebrities and people who enjoy retrogames in other media that is not the games themselves.

All of these boards are important for a healthy and non problematic 4chan retrogaming expereince

>> No.2865967

>>2865942
feliz navidad
feliz ataridad
https://youtu.be/jTobsMuipng

>> No.2866796

>>2860516
HDDs and online were done long before 6th gen, on PC.

>> No.2866842

>>2857379
Wrong. Reminder that Dreamcast discussion was only allowed on this board due to the 8th generation of consoles being released. Once the 9th comes in, I'd be genuinely surprised if they don't allow all of Gen 6.

>> No.2866849

>>2859319
I'm going to take it you're 15 years old.
The reason I say this is because I have never once met a parent that has /forced/ their child to listen to their "dadrock". most parents just let their kid listen to whatever the fuck modern pop they want, if the kid is interested in the older music that their parents are into, that's sorta whatever means the kid made the choice.

What you're describing is some shit that happens in cringe threads, and the headline you're probably thinking of is an Onion article, congrats you retard!

>> No.2867273

>>2866796
And long before PC on pre-PC PCs

>> No.2867320

>>2867273
>pre-PC PCs

err what?

>> No.2867413

>>2866849
>I have never once met a parent that has /forced/ their child to listen to their "dadrock".
It's not super common, but it happens, it's just one of many ways a shitty parent tries to live through their kids. And maybe not so much using force as much as just heavily pressuring their kids.

That said, I think "dadrock" can be pretty goddamn nice.

>> No.2867418

>>2867320
I think he means computers before household computers.

>>2867413
Oh, and to fill in, yes, of course 99% of all stories you're told in cringe threads are bullshit.

It's like believing every soccermom story you read on /k/.

>> No.2867640

>>2865962
What about indie retro styled 16 bit games?

>> No.2867657

retro games are games made before the infection of the 3D jew

>> No.2868152

>>2867657
N64 PS1 and Dreamcast are prominent here buddy.

>> No.2868156

Why not just change the board rules to diferentiate /v/ and /vr/?

Make /vr/ 2D where we only discuss 2D games, we lose PS/N64 but we gain GBA and Indies.

And let /v/ have 3D, so they get all the new stuff and actually have some good old 3D vidya to talk about. most of /v/ is 90s kids anyways, and they eat up OOT.

It balances both boards.

>> No.2868163

>>2867640
>What about indie retro styled 16 bit games?
Too rare to deserve a board. Pier Solar is the only 16bit indie game I can think of.

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>> No.2868212

>>2857294
>Dreamcast is modern

It's nearly 20 years old

>> No.2868248

>>2868156
What if I want to talk an old 3D game that isn't Zelda?

Again, actually talking about videogames on /v/ is an uphill battle, they're all fags.

>> No.2868279

>>2868197
>GameCube was released before the 2000s
Ouch.

>> No.2868296

>>2868279
You heard the guy, the Gamecube is not, and never will be retro.

People like you should be vaporized.

>> No.2868449

>>2858631
> I think it will be silly to not consider the PS2 "retro"
Both yeah and no. Imagine if you heard a song that basically sounded exactly like a Justin Beiber song on the radio right now? Would you go oh shit that's retro? What if that song was actually 100 years old, would that be retro? That's kind of the issue. The age makes it old, but when it's basically in line with modern taste and dictates it's kind of hard to call it retro and be serious about it, especially if the style didn't change at all so it's not like it ever fell out of style so it isn't like it's a repeated 'retro style' it's a style that's largely just been done for generations nonstop. It's like saying today that cars with wheels are retro, there's really no flying or hovercars (at least not practically) yet. Cars with wheels have been around since well as long as cars have been around. We're still not calling the concept of a wheel retro are we? I mean, really? Wheels are one of the oldest things.

>> No.2868453

>>2860216
>except by the very definition of Retro
"Retro style is style that is consciously derivative or imitative of trends, music, modes, fashions, or attitudes of the recent past, typically 15–20 years old."
Using this definition, Fallout 4 and GTA V is retro.

"of or designating the style of an earlier time:"
Using this definition PS2 isn't even retro. Since it's not the style of an earlier time, it's the style of right now.

>> No.2868464

>>2864953
>If 6th gen doesn't fit on /vr/, then a /vr2k/ might be in order (though the GBA feels like a very /vr/ system).
The GBA looks like a /vr/ system and mostly has a library designed as a modern era console. It's a kind of weird place. It can emulate and even support playing the older stuff depending on version.

I disagree entirely with the consideration of calling it retro, but I'm not against you and your ilk having your own old modern games board if there are people there. Though you're going to have a hell of a time when people want to discuss Halo 5: Guardians on your board in fifteen years and you'll have virtually no argument against it except 'it doesn't look as ugly'. But yeah, make a petition for that then on the suggestion board. That'll stop you guys from fucking up here and settle you for the time being, though I honestly think it'll be even slower than /vr/. /vr/ has people who have weathered it and most people who grew up with that era of consoles really couldn't give a shit about it since they're on the PS4 and X-Bone these days having a glorious time being awful as fuck at bad games.

>> No.2868793

>>2868464
Which is why we need GB A discussions. /vr/ is fucking dead and moves at a snails pace. Sure we're not /v/ but god damn, we'd have much more to talk about with another system under our belt.

>> No.2869358

>>2857218
>What is "Retro"

A latin word that means "backwards".

>> No.2869406

>>2857370
>golden eye
>turok
>doom
>duke nukem
>south park (fps)
>perfect dark
>worlds not enough
>Kobe Bryant NBA
>Wayne Gretzky's Hockey

last two are N64 exclusives. I know cause my friend had them.

n64 was dudebro, it had 4player co-op son. FPS and sports games were tailored to that shit.

>> No.2869531

>>2869406
>I know because my friend worked at Nintendo

>> No.2869707

>>2869406
>Doom is dudebro
Cease respiration.

>> No.2871204

So is it safe to assume we've reached a consensus? 6th gen and GBA are retro. The sticky needs to be updated because it's arbitrary and out of date. The "NOT RETRO" posters are shitposters from /r/gaming.

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I personally would draw the line between 2D and 3D hardware. If your machine has dedicated hardware used to facilitate rendering polygons, or enough horsepower to do non-trivial 3D software rendering, then you aren't retro. This would throw out N64, PSX, Saturn, Dreamcast, etc. but provides an unambiguous demarcation line for classification. GBA would be considered retro under this definition, even though it came out later then all of the above. I think why this definition is solid is because once 3D became a commodity it had serious repercussions on game design.

Thoughts?

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>> No.2871241

>>2859102
>not- so mainstream and therefore not so frequented hobby.
You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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PS2/Xbox/GC is not retro and frankly cannot be retro for a long time. There is a certain kind of gamer that is intractably associated with growing up on 6th-gen and 7th-gen (remember, Xbox 360 came out in 2005) that would destroy any remaining semblance of community on this board. "Retro" gaming is not just about time, it's about irrelevancy - games that simply aren't at all relevant to the mainstream market any more, mostly due to technological advancements. That's actually why the Dreamcast is allowed here because SEGA is out of the console market for good as as such it is just as relevant as SNES or Jaguar.

>> No.2871254

>>2857218
What do we as in /vr/?
Read the fucking sticky. It will never change.

>> No.2871280

>>2857218
>>2871210
>Amiga era, rendering with raytracing
>Early PC Games like Quake
>Computers with 3d accelerators
>SuperFX1, 2, Cx4 Enhancement chips
>VirtualBoy

All valid retro games/gaming related things
(Yes I'm aware that the last two may be questionable when talking about whether or not it's "true 3d")

> I think why this definition is solid is because once 3D became a commodity it had serious repercussions on game design.

I agree to an extent, but in the first generation or two of 3d gaming (on dedicated 3d hardware), the extra dimension was properly put to use and was attributed to the fundamental game mechanics of the era. Gamers were smart enough not to be lured in with 3d as a gimmick, moreso the use of 3d progressed gaming and diversified the industry and ideas on game design and what works/what doesn't.

I feel what separates retro gaming from contemporary gaming is the game design philosophy. It's something that you can almost 'feel' when playing retro games compared to newer ones. The design could be called dated, obsolete, unrefined or built around hardware limitations and can lead to the iconic gameplay with very strict mechanics that defines what retro gaming is for most individuals.
Even indie releases that try to emulate the old style still lack that same essence which reminds you that you aren't playing something genuine, only something that is made to appear retro.

>> No.2871286

>>2871240
That's quite impressive. I don't know for sure, but I don't think GBA has any 3D hardware, however inspecting that video they definitely implemented real-time perspective-incorrect 3D (ala PSX).

I do suspect the GBA has 2D affine transformation hardware though. Abusing this hardware, you could draw the ground and map (think Mode 7 in F-Zero), billboard scaled mip-mapped sprites, and draw the buildings using something akin to how Wolfenstein 3D works.

It's weird to see that the ground was drawn with 3D rather than faking it with a Mode7-like technique. It'd probably look better too because it wouldn't suffer distortion (see F-Zero Maximum Velocity). Also the sloped roofs prove they didn't use a Wolfenstein strategy. Crazy.

>> No.2871392

>>2871286
No, it doesn't have any 3D hardware. Heck, the little thing don't even have any sound hardware to begin with. Nintendo went cheap.

>> No.2871396

>>2868296
Fuck off. I was merely commenting on what some random dude wrote in that pic. Guy is full of shit obviously - the GCN did not come out before Y2K.

>> No.2871412

>>2871210
Dumb, the PS, 64 and Saturn are quite retro enough, as are many 3D computer games from the era.

>> No.2871967

>>2861041
For me GBA is retro. For console maybe until ps2, because next genaration is HD with exception of wii.
Maybe better ps2 not falling in vr ortherwise, reseller scumwill starting overprice ps2 games.

>> No.2871970

>>2861119
For me is ps2 already retro when stoped released good titles and ramaining sholveware shit

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>>2857218
I only care for the GBA really.

>> No.2872353

>>2872339
damn that bitch pretty

>> No.2872359

>>2857360
Seeing this list I'm starting to understand why the Virgin Aladdin Defence Force always shows up to justify their version as soon as someone mentions Capcom's game. What a pile of garbage

>> No.2872439

The moment that Halo discussion is allowed on /vr/ will be the moment the board dies.

>> No.2872539

>>2872439
That board is already dead. /v/ is using daily. We cannot have discussions without autism being mentioned.

>> No.2872863

>>2872439
I don't know what to tell you, sperglord. Halo is retro. Has been for a while. Your crude rejection of reality doesn't change anything.

>> No.2872895

>>2857218
>As video game consoles ramp up to 4-5 year lifespans as opposed to the old/expected 7-8 years

What? 4-5 years has always been pretty normal.

NES=1985-90
SNES=1991-95
N64=1996-2000
Gamecube=2001-06
Wii=2007-12

etc, etc.

>> No.2872909

>>2872439
Halo isn't discussed on /v/ to any large extent so I can't see why that'd be so bad. Counter-Strike talk is already allowed per the rules and that's got an equally cancerous fanbase, yet I've seen a thread about it once

>> No.2872949

>>2871204
Never, ever, will be retro.

>> No.2873150

>>2872909
Counter-Strike could be a bit retarded, it was like COD before COD, except not as gay and every wound mattered, there was no regen health, making gameplay much less casual and much more absolute, unlike COD, it's actually kind of fun.
Guns aren't as varied, but they also matter and differ more (unlike COD where all guns feel the same).

My point is, please don't compare it to Halo.

>>2872949
I think the GBA should be considered.

>> No.2873157

>>2871210
I don't agree with this definition, but it is a far more coherent argument than the 'clock stops at y2k' shitposters.

>>2872439
Do you think the cancerous elements of the Halo fanbase give a shit about 15 year old games?

>> No.2873158

>>2857218
it's when i look at it and get the nostalgia-like "damn that's old" feel when i look at the console. i look at a gamecube and it's just old. just like when i had a playstation and looked at a nes. it was just old, not retro, growing up.

>> No.2873160

>>2873150
>I think the GBA should be considered.
Yeah, it is considered not being retro.

>> No.2873172

>>2857334
jesus christ you cannot actually think like this

>> No.2873220

>>2873150
all guns in cod do not feel the same anon, albeit i've only played cod4

>> No.2873226

>>2873157
As I recall, Halo was initially let in on a technicality, and dipshits from /v/ used it as an opportunity to shitpost as hard as they could.

But you're right that really, the cancerous people don't care aboyt the old games.
I mean, we could allow the old COD games but do you think the awful 9 year olds of today would come here to talk about say, Big Red One, or whatever? No, they don't give a shit about the old games.

The problem wouldn't be the dudebros or underages, they long since moved on or never cared. It would be the chronic shitposters, that should have been banned anyway.

>>2873160
>and then I was vaporized in a flash of light
Games play like 4/5th gen 2D games, look like them, and many are ports or remakes of those kinds of games.
It's likened to the SNES for a reason.

>>2873172
He has to reaffirm that he is hardcore and that they are casual.

>> No.2873234

>>2873220
They kind of do, at least in the later ones.

Like, there'll be an M16, then there'll be a bunch of AR-15 variants that are kind of different on a technical level, but ultimately they're both .223 rifles of the same lengths.
The last one I played was Modern Warfare, the AK, Kriss and AR felt very similar to each other, only really differed in rate of fire (and probably damage, but ultimately damage calculation in COD is fucking dumb, GPMGs and LMGs do pistol tier damage for the sake of balance, when they shoot the same rounds as the rifles, why even put them in if that's the case?)

>> No.2873559

>>2857498
>WHY is 1999 the number?

Because when we here at /vr/ party, we party like it's 1999.

>> No.2873863

>>2864468
I hate using it even though I've caught myself using it more and more as the years go by. By I usually as well use to term "Oldschool" or "Classic".

>> No.2873942

>>2872895
Atari 2600=1978-83

>> No.2873969

>>2857218
It all depends on the individuals perspectives. Someone who grew up in the 80's probably wouldn't consider anything that uses 3D models as retro.

>> No.2873982

>>2873969
I was born in 1979 and wish more than anything that the ps2 could be discussed on /vr/.

>> No.2873996

>>2873559
Underrated post.

>> No.2874019

>looking at those controllers
That fucking gen was so good.
>>2857347
Dreamcast is 98. Many games are arcade stuff.
When the ps2, gc and xbox are retro in a couple of years I hope there is a board for 2d retro and another one for 3d, or at least a new board for those consoles because if not this will be filled with ps2 threads.

>> No.2874020

>>2873982

You are an exception, I was born in 1982 and I don't want an influx of Halo, Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy X threads on /vr/

>> No.2874024

>>2873559
This is what needs to be added to the sticky. This is the real reason

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READ THE STICKY

POST-1999 IS NOT RETRO AND NEVER WILL BE

NO COMPROMISE KIDDIES

>> No.2874036

>>2874020
I am not an exception.

We are both individuals with differing opinions.

>> No.2874040

>>2857218
thats because the only people who play retro vidya are people 25+ years and older, so the gamecube, ps2 and xbox still seem new to them

>> No.2874050

>>2874040
You must be 18 to browse this website.

>> No.2874086

>>2873982
Exactly because it's retro now. And it's a fool's errand to try and have any kind of discourse on /v/.

>> No.2874091

>>2874031
What are you, 13? Is this your first time on 4chan? You've already lost this battle. Read this thread. 6th gen is defined as retro, the sticky is not some infallible law. It's outdated and inaccurate.

>> No.2874098

>>2874086
And all it does is attract bitching and shitposting on /vr/.

If you want to talk about gen 6, go somewhere besides 4chan. There is nowhere to talk about those games here, but there are plenty of other places where you can.

>> No.2874113

>>2874098
If the rules were actually changed then the bitching and shitposting would be drastically reduced.

The people bitching are doing so, because they feel their arbitrary rules are being broken.

>> No.2874119

>>2874098
Actually, here is literally the perfect place for it.

>> No.2874123

>>2874113
This. 90% of the shitposting is this in fucking GBA and remake threads.
N O T R E T R O
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>> No.2874126

>>2865426
>It could be 2034 and PS2 still won't be considered retro here. Never. Ever.
Yes it will you dumb fuck. It will be soon.

This is probably bait, but then again, I know a lot of you are legitimate retards.

>> No.2874136

>>2874126
The year can be 4050 and the PS2/NGC/Xbox still won't be retro.

Just go to /v/.

>> No.2874138

6th gen is retro

>> No.2874142

>>2873996
Is there any logical reason why you would fucking say that post is underrated? Has anybody expressed any kind of dissatisfaction or criticism at all against it? Are you delusional? Are you reading replies that are nonexistant? Maybe you come from communities with voting systems, but there is literally no way that you could know what other people think of that post you just replied to here. Maybe it's psychological. Maybe it's your own post you're replying to, like a 12 year old fucktard liking his own facebook posts thinking his swelling autism is going unnoticed. Maybe your self esteem depends on you tricking yourself into thinking someone out there thinks your post is worth something. Or maybe you are just a retard, the worst kind of retard, the one who thinks he's smart, the one who thinks he's the only one to have gotten the joke, to have understood the post. Well, guess what, faggot, that post is by no definition underrated so why don't you do the world a favour and go check out what the bottom of your toilet smells like?

>> No.2874146

>>2874142
>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/

>> No.2874154

>>2874142
Here's your reply

Also, to both of you dimwits samefagging and shitposting that are lifeless my clinging on to your arbitrary made up outdated rules, 6th gen is retro. Try to act like an adult for once.

>> No.2874180

>>2857218
>Retro goes up with age
LOL

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>>2874142
i really hope this is pasta... or bait...
oh man, and here i thought christmas was going to suck lol.

>> No.2874303

>>2874202
He's just shitposting. Like all the "NOT RETRO" babies in this thread.

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>>2874303
Why don't you discuss retro games instead? What is the problem with the current games? Why can't you play some new games that fall under /vr/'s time line that you haven't played before or completed rather than forcing something else into this board? Why do you even want all of this stuff on /vr/?

>> No.2874382

>>2874376
Because we feel that it belongs.

It's not like I'm not also playing pre-6th gen games as well. I started DQIII recently and have been playing Front Mission Gun Hazard quite a bit.

I just feel very strongly that 6th gen consoles should be considered retro.

>> No.2874387

>>2874382
Others feel it doesn't. You have an entire board like /v/ with many people to discuss that generation with. One of the reasons to why /vr/ was made is because a lot of games and series that pertain to this board often won't last on /v/ for a long time, often getting pushed off the board due to how fast it moves. Sure there are certain games or series you can talk about on /v/ that can easily be posted on /vr/, but that isn't the case for a lot of games.

A lot of games from 6th generation don't have as much of a problem gaining traction on /v/ unlike games on /vr/.

>> No.2874393

>>2874387
>One of the reasons to why /vr/ was made is because a lot of games and series that pertain to this board often won't last on /v/ for a long time, often getting pushed off the board due to how fast it moves.

This is literally the entire reason people want 6th gen discussion on /vr/.

/v/ doesn't give a fuck about those games unless it's shit like Kingdom Hearts or MGS.

>> No.2874395

>>2874393
Many games from that generation still gets traction on /v/. Much rarer for something that would be /vr/ related hence why this place was born.

Just be patient and with due time it will be accepted. Until then Not Retro.

>> No.2874401

>>2874387
>/v/

>discuss


Pick one.

/v/ is a cesspool that is beyond saving. And there wouldn't be a movement happening right now if there weren't a considerable amount of people who genuinely consider 6th gen retro. We're not trying to poison the well or "ruin the board" or something. We just want to improve the discussion and make new topics involving games we already believe to be relevant. The same thing happened with the Dreamcast, which is also 6th gen, if short lived.

>> No.2874404

>>2874395
>Many games from that generation still gets traction on /v/

Such as Kingdom Hearts, MGS, or Final Fantasy? My point still stands.

Here is the typical 6th gen thread on /v/
>H-hey guys..?
>I know you're all really busy circlejerking about how much Fallout 4 sucks and how hot those mario girl drawings are, but d-does anyone remember Zone of the Enders?
>"Yeah they were good games"
>"TFW no ZOE3"

And that's it. They're much more interested in shitposting about the possibility (or lack thereof)of a NEW game in a series to actually discuss the existing games. This has been my experience at least. With /vr/ this wouldn't be an issue at all.

>> No.2874594

>>2873969
So lets just ignore those contemporary arcade games with 3D graphics then?

>>2874387
>You have an entire board like /v/ with many people to discuss that generation with.
How fucking uninformed do you have to be to think that there can be any kind of remotely civil or intelligent discourse on that board?

People want these old games on here PRECISELY because /v/ is the only option, and it is an absolutely worthless option.
I'm looking for a tire and you're telling me to use the flat one.

Is there certain modernities with 6th gen that could be less fitting? Yes, possibly, but lets actually examine them instead of stonewalling.
We can take in 6th gen, but we don't have to take in Halo, we don't have to take in Kingdom Hearts, we don't have to take in Call Of Duty, in fact, we can simply take in 6th gen and then don't allow any game from after say, 2005 until further notice, to keep things old fashioned.

>> No.2874623

>>2874594
>We can take in 6th gen, but we don't have to take in Halo, we don't have to take in Kingdom Hearts, we don't have to take in Call Of Duty, in fact, we can simply take in 6th gen and then don't allow any game from after say, 2005 until further notice, to keep things old fashioned.
That is even worse than what the current rules are. If you are allowing those consoles you should be able to allow the entire library.

>> No.2874756

There's not any place to properly discuss 6th gen games on 4chan. The children on /v/ consider them too old and they're not allowed here.

>> No.2874768

>>2874091
I've been here since day one faggot.

6th gen is retro because you say so eh?
The rules of this board say otherwise.

Fuck off to /b/ or /tv/ or wherever it is that spawned you and take your self entitled millennial attitude with you shit for brains.

N O T R E T R O
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>> No.2874775

The worst part of the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu is the arguing over whether consoles are retro. I'd rather have the occasional PS2 thread that's civil than "NOT RETRO GO BACK TO /V/" shitposts.

>> No.2874789

>>2874775
>occasional

yeah, like that's gonna happen.

>> No.2874797

>>2857218
Sage this fucking thread already mods. The rules are rules. Read the sticky before you post out of your ass.

>> No.2874810

>>2857218
I can already safely conclude that OP's mother is most definitely retro.

>> No.2874815

>>2874797
Rules can change. That's what is being discussed here.

>> No.2874817

it will be a sad day when this board gets flooded in sixth gen threads. it means the normies would have taken over /vr/.

i'm already seeing it with posters' lack of appreciation for older gen games and their two-bit theories taken from popular youtubers.

>> No.2874819

>>2874815
Fuck off

>> No.2874832

>>2874819
No

>> No.2874847

>>2874832
Every shitpost is one step closer to the bump limit, so thanks for that.

>> No.2874853

Just remember

NEVER
EVER
WILL
BE
RETRO

>> No.2874868

>>2874847
Someone will just make another thread man.

>> No.2874874

I have no problem with eventually allowing PS2 on here.

>> No.2874875

Not even 5th gen should be considered retro.

>> No.2874878

sage grows in all fields

>> No.2874881

>>2874875
It's 20 years old. I'm pretty sure that the Intellivision was considered retro in 1999.

>> No.2874886

>>2874881
Not really. "Retro" gaming wasn't much of a thing until this past decade. Before then, old games were just... old. Nobody really cared about them.

>> No.2874893

The definition of retro, as it pertains to video games, is already pretty shaky.

If we were to actually use the accepted definition, as used outside of games, then only modern games that attempt to emulate the style of old games would be considered retro.

It just goes to show how ridiculous it actually is arguing about what is, and isn't, retro.

>> No.2874901

Who the fuck wants PS2? Stupid fucking tweeners. I personally dont care if the rules change or not cause I do like those consoles. The people bitching and moaning about them are little shitheads though. Probably nobody on this board worth discussing ps2 with

>> No.2874912

>>2874901
In my experience the people bitching against it are the worse shitposters.

Also, not everyone that wants PS2 discussion is a "tweener." I'm 36 fucking years old and want it.

>> No.2874913

>>2874912
hahahaha, what a fucking loser.
fuck off gramps

>> No.2874915

>>2874815
No, nothing is happening here. People are solidifying the existing rules by showing the toxicity of later gen gamers.

>> No.2874920

/vr/ really needs to stay the way it is. It shouldn't just be the board for any games that aren't new.

If anything, there should be an entirely new board for 6th and 7th gen games. We just got a fucking cartoon porn board, there's no reason we can't have another video game board.

>> No.2874932

>>2874915
>People are solidifying the existing rules by showing the toxicity of later gen gamers.

By being toxic themselves? Many times exceedingly so?

>> No.2874936

>>2874920
> new board for 6th and 7th gen games

Dead in two months.

>> No.2874939

>>2874912
the people bitching against it are only doing so because someone went against the rules in the first place. I just really dont care though, discussing maximo with some tweener just isnt appealing at all

>> No.2874943

>>2874936
thus proving the point 6th and 7th gen games are for faggots. RIP NERD

>> No.2874946

>>2874936
4chan has plenty of "dead" boards. /po/ has been around for like 10 years and has barely half a million posts.

>> No.2874947

>>2874939
I'd just like to point out, as a side note, that using the word "tweener" makes you seem much less mature than you probably think it does.

>> No.2874952

>>2874947
I don't know what else to describe 18 year olds.

>> No.2874954

>>2874952
You're only proving my point more and more.

>> No.2874958

>>2863652
>Which GC and PS2 multiplats?
You're kididng, right?

Crazy Taxi, Code Veronica, Jet Set Radio, Rez, Soldier of Fortune, Phantasy Star Online, Ecco The Dolphin, Sonic Adventure, and I'm sure the list goes on. That's just off the top of my head.

>> No.2874962

>>2863652
>That if you don't hold down the current rule set it will easily let more and more consoles/handhelds pass, or at least let them have a foot in the door.

As it should be. In time the PS4 will be considered retro.

>> No.2874982

>>2874954
Who is trying to sound mature? Kids just have stupid opinions. It has nothing to do with maturity.

>> No.2874994

>>2874982
I'm actually trying to have a mature discussion here. You seem to be only interested in throwing out insults. And to who? I'm certainly not a kid, teenager, or anywhere near it.

>> No.2875013

>>2874994
you just want to talk about persona, like the other 30 something gaijin losersfaggot

>> No.2875019

>>2875013
Like I said, insults...

And there's nothing wrong with Persona, although Nocturne is the better 6th gen SMT game.

>> No.2875510

>>2874958
You mean almost all the SEGA games, after the Dreamcast was dead. The death of SEGA was an end of an era.

>> No.2875537

>>2875019
Yea man Maya best waifu we want more waifu threads of each Persona girl shitting up /vr/

>> No.2875630

>>2874768
DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!
BACK IN MY DAY...

>> No.2875637

>>2874915
>showing the toxicity of later gen gamers.
Where? Show me the posts that do this.

>> No.2875685

>>2874136
>The year can be 4050 and the PS2/NGC/Xbox still won't be retro.
It will be in less than 5 years lol..I think some of you will seriously cry when it happens.

>> No.2875871

How has this thread lasted a week and a half?

>> No.2875923

>>2868197
>go to a museum dedicated to displaying computers from the 20th century and donate one not made in the 20th century
>can't figure out why they don't accept it

>> No.2875935

/vr/ must be a real blast at parties

>So anon what's your hobby?
>I like to go on this forum for talking about old video games.
>Oh! Cool, I love old viideo games! Have you ever played Ocarina of --
>Oh no, I don't actually talk about the games, I only tell people if they are retro or not.
>Huh?
>You see if the game, or actually any form of a video game, is made before 1999, I mean if the game is on a platform that was made before 1999 it's retro as long as it's part of the 6th generation of consoles. Except for dreamcast, dreamcast is retro.
>Well that seems kind of arbitrary I don't see why you'd need to be so strict.
>You don't understand! We have to keep the quality of discussions up, so these rules are necessary! We can't let ourselves become like one of the other video game discussion sites, they're bad!
>Uh, ok. Well, anyway I love old games, so it's nice to meet someone else into them too <3! I was just playing Ocarina of Time on my 3DS and ---
>NOT RETRO! NOT RETRO! ERROR ERROR DOES NOT COMPUTE! NOT RETRO!

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I can't believe these threads don't get instantly shut down. There is one CONSTANTLY lately.

/v/ and /vg/ are both meant for discussing video games in general. That's two entire other boards you can take your Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, etc threads to. /b/ can also be used to discuss video games if you really wanted to.

This board is literally dedicated to discussing pre-2000's video games.

Why in the everloving fuck would you so specifically want to discuss 2000's video games in what is a pre-2000's video game fan club?

I can sympathize if you "dont like /v/" but that's no reason to whine here.

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>>2875935
I go on /v/, /vr/, and /vg/. I like talking about video games from different time periods and genres. Though I know what boards I should go to to discuss them.

>> No.2875965

>>2865401
>/v/ doesnt talk about ps2 anymore

Yes they fucking do.

>> No.2875967

>>2875950

>I can't believe these threads don't get instantly shut down. There is one CONSTANTLY lately.

>/v/ and /vg/ are both meant for discussing video games in general. That's two entire other boards you can take your PS, N64, Saturn, etc threads to. /b/ can also be used to discuss video games if you really wanted to.

>This board is literally dedicated to discussing pre-1990's video games.

>Why in the everloving fuck would you specifically want to discuss 1990's video games in what is a pre-1990's video game fan club?

>I can sympathize if you "don't like /v/" but that's no reason to whine here.

>> No.2875983

>>2875967
Swapping the gens around doesn't disprove her point that it's retarded to whine you can't discuss about something on a board made for a very specific topic.

>> No.2875986

>>2875965

just went through the catalog; there's not one thread right now on /v/ that is primarily about a 6th gen game

plus the 6th gen is at the point where it makes sense to talk about retro things like emulation and rare used games/peripherals

>> No.2876010

>>2875983

except it's not /99/, it's /vr/

it's about discussing retro games

the argument is about what constitutes retro

if there's no positive argument about why retro should only be '99 and before, then you're at least obligated to explain why it shouldn't include games published in 00' (like Deus Ex, normally considered a retro game).

there's no reason not to adopt a rolling time frame other than "my nostalgia is better than your nostalgia" and "that's how we do it now"

>> No.2876025

>>2876010
games that play like old games are retro. PS2 and XBOX games play like modern games with shittier graphics.

>> No.2876027

>>2876010
>why retro should only be '99 and before
Those are the rules of this community.

>there's no reason not to adopt a rolling time frame
There's great reason not to, we're here to discuss pre-2000 video games not post-2000 video games.

>> No.2876031

>>2876027
>b b b-ut I want to be included too WAAAAAAHHHHHH

They should just go talk PS2 games on tumblr desu

>> No.2876034

>>2876027
>There's great reason not to, we're here to discuss pre-2000 video games not post-2000 video games

What would happen if Hirohito waved his hand and said games up to 06 could be discussed here?

>> No.2876035

>>2876034
Then he'd better change the name of the board too, because 2006 sure as hell isn't retro.

>> No.2876036

>>2876034
>>>/qa/
No one here cares.

>> No.2876037

>>2876034
then that would be the rules, not a big deal. No reason to change them right now though. You just have to have it your way and although I wouldnt mind newer games I dont want the little bitch (you) to get his way so we cant change the rules

>> No.2876038

>>2876025

which old games? MGS doesn't play at all like pong or pokemon RBY, but it plays a lot like MGS2 which is not retro

system shock doesn't play at all like test drive or final fantasy, but it plays a lot like deus ex or E.Y.E which are not retro

>>2876027

>we're here to discuss pre-2000 video games

a lot of people disagree apparently

also

>why should we not do the thing
>because we don't do the thing

how are you this dumb

>>2876035

apparently circles are retro

>>2876037

>no reason to change the rules
>people have spent the entire thread offering reasons why the rules are dumb and arbitrary an should be changed

shut down your computer and never turn it on again

>> No.2876039

>>2876038

*which are not retro according to the rules

>> No.2876041

>>2876038
your reasons are dumb kid. Literally nothing posted in this thread is a good reason to change the rules for this board. I would rather just give you your own board to shitpost on.

>> No.2876042

>>2876038
MGS plays more like MG2 than it does MGS2 kid. Just because its 3d doesnt change much. MGS2 is 100% cutscenes

>> No.2876043

>>2876038
/v/ and /vg/ are both meant for discussing video games in general. That's two entire other boards you can take your Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, etc threads to. /b/ can also be used to discuss video games if you really wanted to.

This board is literally dedicated to discussing pre-2000's video games.

Why in the everloving fuck would you so specifically want to discuss 2000's video games in what is a pre-2000's video game fan club?

>> No.2876047

MMM yeah let that ps2 in let the persona waifu shit posting commence. We all know this is what the PS2 kids want.

>> No.2876053

I think their is a misconception among the faggots and retards on this board that think retro = what I played when I was a kid. They just want to share their childhoods with us too they dont give a shit about NES games they just want to shit post green text ps2 stories.

>> No.2876054

>>2876043

because the 6th generation is becoming retro? not just because it's old, but because they're starting to have certain things common with other "retro" consoles, like widespread emulation, importing of games, scarcity of hardware and hard copies of games, and childhood nostalgia to where it makes sense to discuss them on a retro board?

>> No.2876056

Will never be retro.

>> No.2876057

>>2876042

haha what? MGS2 is literally just MGS with a couple extra mechanics and better graphics, that's the entire point of the game

>> No.2876058

>>2876054
Cool. You can discuss "6th generation" here:

>>>/v/
>>>/vg/
>>>/b/

>> No.2876059

>>2876053

>retro isn't what *you* played when *you* were a kid, it's what *I* played when *I* was a kid

>> No.2876060

>>2876059
From the sticky:

Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>> No.2876062

>>2876054
>childhood nostalgia

haha

/vr/ is not your personal childhood nostalgia board, kid.

>> No.2876063

>>2876059
It isnt what anyone played when they were kids you retarded faggot. Just because I was a kid when these games came out is irrelevant. This is exactly what I meant about you being retarded faggots

>> No.2876069

>>2876058

>electric cars aren't real cars because real cars run on fossil fuels based on the definition i've come up with and won't defend, please leave /o/ and take all electric car discussion to /n/ or /b/

>>2876062
>>2876063

then give a reason why retro = pre-99 other than "because it does" or get fucked"

hint: you can't, you're just butthurt and trying to present your own nostalgia as superior to other people's nostalgia

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2876072

There is so much arguing, lame attempts to reason with the board rule, and just general pussyfooting.

Let me sum it up for you guys so there is no more argument.

The rule was placed to ultimately prevent Halo from qualifying as retro. Ever. Once that game is accepted as retro, all hope is lost. This is something that both parties can think on, nod, and say "okay, fair enough."

It's not the "waah mama 480 vertical resolution progressive scan 16:9 aspect ratio dual analog network play DLC DVD player games are movies." It's fucking Halo and all that it stands for and represents.

>> No.2876078

>ITT: butthurt grandpas/40 year old virgins constantly repeating the same arguments because there's no rational way to defend the current board definition of "retro"

>b-but that's the way the board is

the board rules have changed before to include the dreamcast, the only reason they shouldn't change is because you don't like it

>you can discuss your post '99 games elsewhere on 4chin

which also applies to pre-99 games, the question is whether some post 99 games should be discussed here

>it's not about nostalgia, it's about what's retro

then give some criteria for retro that doesn't involve static dates, nostalgia, or some "retro style" that doesn't even exist

>>2876072

>halo is the devil

your tears are delicious

>> No.2876081

>>2876078
>the question is whether some post 99 games should be discussed here
The answer is no. You already have multiple places to discuss your "post 99 games" go there and discuss them.

>> No.2876083

>>2876081

>>you can discuss your post '99 games elsewhere on 4chin
>which also applies to pre-99 games, the question is whether some post 99 games should be discussed here

let's see how many posts i can answer by just copy-pasting

>> No.2876087

>>2876083
/v/ and /vg/ are both meant for discussing video games in general. That's two entire other boards you can take your Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, etc threads to. /b/ can also be used to discuss video games if you really wanted to.

This board is literally dedicated to discussing pre-2000's video games.

Why in the everloving fuck would you so specifically want to discuss 2000's video games in what is a pre-2000's video game fan club?

>> No.2876090

>>2876087
>>>you can discuss your post '99 games elsewhere on 4chin
>>which also applies to pre-99 games, the question is whether some post 99 games should be discussed here

>>b-but that's the way the board is

>the board rules have changed before to include the dreamcast, the only reason they shouldn't change is because you don't like it

>> No.2876091

>>2876087
>because the 6th generation is becoming retro? not just because it's old, but because they're starting to have certain things common with other "retro" consoles, like widespread emulation, importing of games, scarcity of hardware and hard copies of games, and childhood nostalgia to where it makes sense to discuss them on a retro board?

>> No.2876092

>>2876078
Why not just have /vr discuss all games? You need to draw the line somewhere otherwise there is no point in having distinct boards at all on 4chan.

>> No.2876093

>>2876092
>>it's not about nostalgia, it's about what's retro
>then give some criteria for retro that doesn't involve static dates, nostalgia, or some "retro style" that doesn't even exist

>because the 6th generation is becoming retro? not just because it's old, but because they're starting to have certain things common with other "retro" consoles, like widespread emulation, importing of games, scarcity of hardware and hard copies of games, and childhood nostalgia to where it makes sense to discuss them on a retro board?

>there's no reason not to adopt a rolling time frame other than "my nostalgia is better than your nostalgia" and "that's how we do it now"

>> No.2876094

>>2876087
>Why in the everloving fuck would you so specifically want to discuss 2000's video games in what is a pre-2000's video game fan club?

I think some people like to join a group that somewhat interests them and then insist that the group become what they themselves think it should be instead of enjoying it for what it is.

>> No.2876095

>>2876094

>>electric cars aren't real cars because real cars run on fossil fuels based on the definition i've come up with and won't defend, please leave /o/ and take all electric car discussion to /n/ or /b/

>> No.2876096

>>2876093
You know that we are at a point in time where someone who was 9 when the 360 came out is now old enough to post on here, right? Why exclude the 360? People import games for that and I doubt a working 360 is any easier/harder to find that one of the bazillion PS2S out there.

>> No.2876103

>>2876095
No, it would be like going on a vintage classic cars board and demanding that they allow you to discuss your '97 Civic.

>> No.2876104

>>2876095
What the hell is that example supposed to be even? /o/ doesn't have any such limitations.

This thread is more akin to suggesting that we go into a retro automotive board dedicated to pre-1999 vehicles and telling them to start discussing all pre-2009 vehicles. It's not at all why they're there.

You should feel ashamed for being so retarded.

>> No.2876113

>>2876103
In 2050 though, that 97 Civic will be a classic car.

>> No.2876118

>>2876113
Yeah, so in 2050 they can make a different community that discusses such things. One will probably exist long before then, kinda like /v/ exists already for PS2.

>> No.2876131

>>2876096

Thank you for the fresh point. It's a matter of degrees. A large part of it is that the 360 is part of a generation for which some games are still being released, though just barely. The sixth generation's peak has passed in a way that the seventh's hasn't; games like Deus Ex, MGS2, and Metroid Prime are considered classics, not just "good games" like Halo 3, Mass Effect, and Bioshock. Plus, getting your hands on 7th Gen games is still pretty easy, especially since a good number of them were released for 8th Gen consoles. If you want to play a lot of 6th Gen games though, emulation, modding, or trading might be your only options.

>>2876113
>>2876118

But even if the facts bear out that we shouldn't include 6th Gen *yet* there's still no justification for defining "retro" as before as certain static date. As time goes on, the 6th Gen will have more in common with "retro" games than it does with modern games, and there will be no justification for saying otherwise. If you want to keep /vr/ like it is now, then there needs to be a /99/ board or something similar; the 5th Gen ("retro") has far more in common with the 6th Gen ("not retro") than it does with the 2nd Gen ("retro"). You don't get to start a retro board and then be bad when people disagree with your def of retro.

>>2876104

>/o/ doesn't have any such limitations

exactly my point, because it would be dumb for a board called Auto to arbitrarily exclude discussions about things which fit that description.

>This thread is more akin to suggesting that we go into a retro automotive board dedicated to pre-1999 vehicles and telling them to start discussing all pre-2009 vehicles. It's not at all why they're there.

>>2876103

No, it would be more like going into a classic cars board and being yelled at for wanting to discuss the AE86; the only people who don't recognize it as a classic car are those who think that their perspective should be privileged and can't accept that time passes.

>> No.2876135

>>2876131
>*yet*
You misunderstand. We never should.

> it would be dumb for a board called Auto to arbitrarily exclude discussions about things which fit that description.

If you think this applies to /vr/ you are wrong. We are a community about pre-2000 games. That's all we will ever be about. Maybe one day we will have a separate dedicated board for games from 2000 to 2010 as a containment board for people like you who refuse to post in the appropriate boards for this content ( /v/ or /vg/ ) and instead come to the inappropriate board to whine about not being catered to by a community that never wanted to include you.

>> No.2876138

>>2876135

>our board has never and will never change

>except when it did to accommodate the Dreamcast

>but that's totes different and not at all arbitrary

>> No.2876142

>>2876131
>there's still no justification for defining "retro" as before as certain static date.
When this board was made, it was made to the demands of the community. The anons that are here today (or at least some of them) specifically asked for a place to discuss 1999 and earlier games. The community is built around these games.

>As time goes on, the 6th Gen will have more in common with "retro" games than it does with modern games
That's hilarious. If you think 6th gen will EVER have more in common with 8-bit games than modern games you are beyond delusional.

>then there needs to be a /99/ board
That's what this board IS, are you serious?

>the 5th Gen ("retro") has far more in common with the 6th Gen ("not retro")
That's so easily debatable.

>You don't get to start a retro board and then be bad when people disagree with your def of retro.
For real? You don't walk into a community dedicated to "X" and say "times have changed you guys need to discuss Y now."

>> No.2876630

>>2876078
>the board rules have changed before to include the dreamcast, the only reason they shouldn't change is because you don't like it
Not really. It's just that "retro" doesn't go up with age. It's a time period more than anything.

New things won't ever become retro, and they don't have that "retro" feel that pre-2000 games have. Indie games try to replicate retro games, but most of them don't succeed.

You keep making this argument that just because something is old makes it makes it "retro"; which couldn't be further from the truth.

Also, please stop making these threads here and take them to /qa/. Or at least don't make more than one thread (because you've been shitting up the board by making more than one thread about 6th gen game recommendations). It's not helping you on getting 6th gen discussion allowed on /vr/.

>> No.2877049

Retro to me is what gamestop has stopped selling. I understand why retro to most people means 2000 and before though. There is a significant change with how games are between ps1 and ps2.

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This is a wildly ridiculous conversation. 6th gen is painfully, obviously retro. But if you three or foursamefags want to keep shitposting and crying and holding back the rest of the /vr/ community with your "m-muh 1999! It's all about meee!" bullshit, you can either start some whiney-ass subreddit or go back to 9GAG, because no rational adult can be making that argument.

>Deus Ex will never be retro! Not even in 2035!

You are cancer, and ruining this community. Remove yourself, or cease respiration.

>Retro is a specific period in time

That's the single dumbest argument I've read in this shit-ass thread.

Look. If you want to keep having the same handful of thread topics repeated over and over, you can fight for this archaic, unsupportable, arbitrary rule. But you'll be wallowing in your own filth until you get bored, because the board will become stale and the community will dry up, and it will be your fault.

>"le wil nevr b retroo"

Underage, banned, front page reddit memers, the lot of you. Stop destroying the only decent video game related board on 4chan.

>> No.2877156

>>2877115
>That's the single dumbest argument I've read in this shit-ass thread.
Elaborate.

>> No.2877178

If you can't count the polygons, it's not retro is the rule of thumb for 3D games.

>> No.2877208

>>2876138
>Dreamcast
That was to deal with a contradiction in the rules where the DC was qualified under the date rule but disqualified under the generation rule. So yes. Using only a date as opposed to a subjective classification that contradicts it is not at all arbitrary.

>> No.2878270

>>2877156
Not him, but Retro does not share the same kind of meaning that Classical, Victorian, Elizabethan, etc have.

Hell, this board misuses the word Retro entirely, as it means something that imitates the older generations, and does not refer to the actual older generations.

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