How long until the undisputed GOAT becomes /vr/?

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Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:44:13 2015 No.2849064 [Reply] [Original]

How long until the undisputed GOAT becomes /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:46:41 2015 No.2849065 Never.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:47:20 2015 No.2849067 Never and it's a trash system by any reasonable standard. Blurry and flickery mess that was a DVD player first and console second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:50:37 2015 No.2849070 >>2849067 >being this much of a tryhard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:51:45 2015 No.2849072 >>2849070 Nostalgia blinders can be hard to take off for some people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:51:56 2015 No.2849073 >>2849067 tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:52:00 2015 No.2849074 >>2849070 How about the fact that most multi-plats looked better on other systems?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:54:30 2015 No.2849076 >>2849072 Do you realize what board we're on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:57:48 2015 No.2849081 >>2849074 No argument there. Good thing, then, that playing every worthwhile PS2 exclusive would take years of dedicated playtime.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 00:58:33 2015 No.2849084

>>2849076
Outside of the CRT and emulation stuff most the time it's sound reasoning.

The PS2 had blur filters on nearly every game. Nearly every game ran at 480i and was a flickery mess as a result. That's the facts.

>>2849074
And what this anon said too.

The PS2 is objectively trash. But it has some really nice games. Only a handful though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:03:27 2015 No.2849090 >>2849074 The difference between RE4 for the Gamecube and RE4 for the PS2 graphically was pretty staggering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:04:23 2015 No.2849092 PS2 games are just modern games with worse graphics. PS1/N64 games are not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:08:08 2015 No.2849098 >>2849092 >PS2 games are just modern games with worse graphics. Nice wording.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:11:17 2015 No.2849103 >>2849092 What about early titles like Maximo?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:15:57 2015 No.2849106

>>2849090

The PS2 version is still better due to the fact that it has way more content and also lives on a system that has a controller that isn't retarded.

The PS2 version does use recorded clips of in-engine Gamecube footage as FMVs though, which is kinda hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:18:06 2015 No.2849109 File: 246 KB, 852x754, 1446133544604.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hopefully never, and this image is the reason why.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:20:38 2015 No.2849117 >>2849106 The 2 extra costumes and extra mini game don't make up for the the bad graphics and sound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:22:31 2015 No.2849120 >>2849092 >PS1 games are not Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:24:53 2015 No.2849124 >>2849120 Completely different resolutions among other obvious differences. Unlike PS2 and later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:26:30 2015 No.2849127 The PS2 is retro if you want it to be. The console debuted March 4 of 2000, I consider all the early PS2 titles to be retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:28:33 2015 No.2849132 >>2849106 The extra content really isn't enough to cover up the fact that it looks and sounds worse. Personally, I think the Gamecube's controller is perfectly fine. I personally found it more comfortable than the PS2 controller.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:30:14 2015 No.2849137

>>2849124
Except it is a well-known fact the PS1 was the first modern console.

Compare games like Final Fantasy VII that are all flashy but no substance, trashy 3D platformers like Crash for ADHD children and the rest of the PS1 library to the libraries of the Genesis and SNES. Plus the fact 90% of it's library is blatant shovelware.

All you need to do with PS1 games is replace their old dated graphics with modern ones, add some achievemnts for filler and you have a modern vidya. You can't do the same to SNES or Genesis games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:32:57 2015 No.2849141 >>2849137 Good shitpost. And no PS1 graphics can't just be replaced. They need to be completely redone. You have control differences too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:35:02 2015 No.2849147 >>2849141 >Good shitpost. Epic. >And no PS1 graphics can't just be replaced >They need to be completely redone. No shit sherlock. The various PS1 game remakes already speak for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:35:59 2015 No.2849149 >>2849147 And the PS2 remakes are just upscales.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:39:52 2015 No.2849154

>>2849137
You forgot about changing everything about how the games control. Unless you really think modern gamers would be able to stomach something like, say, the tank controls of the original Resident Evil.

But at that point, the comparison to modern games doesn't really work anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:39:57 2015 No.2849156 >>2849064 can't believe i bought that fucking blue wedge. and i thought microsoft were kikes with 360 faceplates

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:45:46 2015 No.2849161 I hear the Slim models are more reliable. Is this true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:47:44 2015 No.2849163 Sony consoles didn't get good until 7th gen now that you think about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:48:48 2015 No.2849165 >>2849163 I know this is shitposting but a laughed anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:50:28 2015 No.2849169 >>2849161 Yes, unless you want to play games off an HDD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:51:40 2015 No.2849170 >>2849169 Yay. :D I've always wanted to explore the PS2 library.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:54:04 2015 No.2849172 >>2849137 >>2849154 >worse than modern games for featuring dated graphics and controls >worse than actual retro video games for introducing the shticks which define modern gaming Truly no game library is more overrated than the PS1 library.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:56:03 2015 No.2849174
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I dont have a problem with the PS2 being on /v/ but the fact many people shitpost this thread just because they dont like the PS2 is just sad, considering this console is probably the best one ever created. So stop acting like retards and just report and hide the thread if its bothers so much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:56:10 2015 No.2849176 >>2849170 You're in for a great time, I started quite recently myself. I can see why some people prefer fats, though. Blank DVDs are cheap, but they pile up quickly if you have a backlog as huge as mine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:58:42 2015 No.2849179 >>2849174 This. If you think the PS2 was a bad system, you don't enjoy video games. Just look at that fucking RPG section.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 01:59:37 2015 No.2849180 >>2849172 >shticks which define modern gaming Ya Arcades and Atari don't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:00:38 2015 No.2849182 >>2849172 >no game library is more overrated than the PS1 library what is n64

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:01:14 2015 No.2849183 Its been over a decade and a half since the 6th gen began and roughly a decade since it ended, why aren't all the consoles invovlee considered retro yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:01:28 2015 No.2849185 >>2849174 >>2849179 Not everyone likes are wants to play 480i trash. Add that most the games on that list are mediocre at best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:02:38 2015 No.2849186 >>2849174 >North American ICO cover Absolutely disgusting.jpg >Downhill Domination All is forgiven.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:02:41 2015 No.2849187 >>2849185 tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:03:14 2015 No.2849189 >>2849185 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:04:44 2015 No.2849192 >>2849187 >>2849189 Back to /v/ please. You posted the link there already which should be convenient for you kids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:10:20 2015 No.2849202 >>2849192 Yet you're the one who's bothered by 480i. Don't you have a mustard race thread to post in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:11:54 2015 No.2849204 >>2849202 I could care less about resolution with in reason. You thinking I'm talking about resolution confirms you need to get your ass back to /v/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:13:39 2015 No.2849208 >>2849204 *couldn't You couldn't care less, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:15:27 2015 No.2849210 >>2849208 Thanks nerd.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:17:57 2015 No.2849212 >>2849210 'Welcome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:20:20 2015 No.2849217 I love the PS2 but I hope the sticky never gets updated except maybe including the GBA for similar reasons to the Dreamcast

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:23:37 2015 No.2849223 >>2849185 >judging a game by its resolution you're trash. 480i isn't even bad, it was the dang standard for twenty somethin years, we just have better stuff now that it's the future. In 10 years you'll think 4K looks like shit, everything is relative

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:25:18 2015 No.2849224 >>2849064 We need to petition Jackie 4chan to make the rule for /vr/ "any game for a system [X#] of generations old" instead of being any arbitrary year. If we can't discuss gen 6 by the start of gen 9 then that's just straight up bullshit.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:28:25 2015 No.2849227

>>2849217
Not it really wasn’t underageb&. And I’m not talking about the resolution. You’re too ignorant to understand that UI guess or something since everything is progressive now and you were like 5 when PS2 came out.

240p was the standard for over 20 years.
480i was only ever forced on PS2. It is the only console to have the majority of games force 480i.
>>2849226
I really don't get you PS2 fanboys. You just ignore facts and say everyone is a shitposter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:32:01 2015 No.2849231 >>2849217 I think that once the system turns twenty and /vr/ is still around, it should be added.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:39:26 2015 No.2849239 File: 126 KB, 480x360, 1443634819987.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2849227

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:41:34 2015 No.2849241 >>2849227 480i was the standard res of tvs and video signals from '82 onwards. the reason 240p exists is because it's half of 480i. every show you watched or movie you saw on tv was displayed at 480i

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 02:45:13 2015 No.2849246

>>2849241
We aren't talking about TV or movies.

Games since pong were 240p with few exceptions till 6th gen came along.
6th gen brought 480i/p as the standard. PS2 forcing 480i unlike any console before or since.

You can like the PS2 all you want but objectively it is the worse console graphically.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:10:14 2015 No.2849276

>>2849246
It really rustles me when people pretend that resolution is the BE ALL AND END ALL.

Like if a game with N64 graphics running at 720p is objectively superior to PS4 graphics running at 480p.

Resolution is only a single piece of the image quality puzzle. An important piece of sure, but it's not decisive dammit.

PS2 was pushing polygons and lighting well in advanced of Dreamcast but all people can spout is (not VGA 640x480 so INTO THE TRASH).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:13:18 2015 No.2849281 File: 174 KB, 555x250, PS2-Header.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Relive the magic of the waiting in line for the PS2, cruising for gangbangs, selling it to kids for 3 times its worth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgiIczF-Q2A

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:13:38 2015 No.2849282 >>2849276 Why do you idiots think I'm hating the PS2 for the resolution? I never said that. I assume you're another anon anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:13:51 2015 No.2849284 >>2849217 Changing the sticky isn't going to change the rules or the users. People would still resist the GBA like they do with the DC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:17:16 2015 No.2849286 >>2849246 the ps2 didn't force 480i. if you put a 240p game in a ps2 it'll output 240p. the ps3 does force 480i though, not recommended for ps1 discs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:19:07 2015 No.2849290 >>2849286 There's exceptions but I was making the point that the majority of games are forced 480i.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:22:33 2015 No.2849297 >>2849290 yeah and 480i isn't bad, i've played maybe a hundred ps2 games and I never thought its video output looked worse than older consoles, you're crazy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:25:24 2015 No.2849306 >>2849297 You're a casual then. I sold my PS2 for that very reason. 480i like any interlaced resolution is trash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:28:59 2015 No.2849310 >>2849306 GS Mode Selector, son. The fact that you don't know about it means you are a casual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:31:01 2015 No.2849315 >>2849310 A buggy fucking mess from what I've seen. And that wouldn't had help me since it came out way after the PS2 was relevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:53:22 2015 No.2849334 ps2 is definitely better than nes,snes ,n64 and ps1...al that low res pixel trash shit with just a handful of good games.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 03:56:46 2015 No.2849340

>>2849109
That argument might as well be "PEOPLE WILL DISCUSS HALO!!!1!!!!!1 WWWHAHAAAAAHHHHH MKDS MODS MOMDS OMDS"

Listen here, newfag, every single board on 4chan has a "hide" button which is placed prominently and can be accessed with a single click. Hide shit you don't like instead of jumping at shadows and crying about bogeymen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:07:13 2015 No.2849349 Dreamcast was allowed 5474 days after its Japan release. PS2 is still now allowed after 5011 days. For those of you bad at math, that's almost 13 years and 9 months. We can't discuss games that are nearly a decade and a half old.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:09:26 2015 No.2849351 >>2849349 Dreamcast isn't actually allowed, don't let the sticky confuse you. We aren't allowed to discuss Windows games from 2000 either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:09:44 2015 No.2849352 >>2849306 If you can't fit this entire map on your screen you are a DIRTY CASUAL http://orig01.deviantart.net/080d/f/2015/112/9/0/shards_of_war_preview_by_elfray-d8qo5v7.png

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:10:40 2015 No.2849356 >>2849067 I bet you're the kind of guy who defends ET and claims no one hated it until e-celebs started talking about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:10:44 2015 No.2849357 >>2849351 >Dreamcast isn't actually allowed AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:15:11 2015 No.2849361 >>2849306 you do realise ps2 can do 720p. LOL i would prefer 240i ps2 ovwe 720p snes any day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:16:39 2015 No.2849364 >>2849361 >>2849356 >>2849352 Guess the underaggeb&s first console.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:18:57 2015 No.2849367 >>2849364 Anything other than "Sega Master System" is wrong. You honest-to-god think that having a high resolution is "hardcore". Go ahead and define "hardcore" and "casual" for us so we can laugh at you. You wont. You'll just avoid the question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:21:11 2015 No.2849369 >>2849367 Another idiot thinking I'm talking about resolution. So dumb and young.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:22:44 2015 No.2849372 >>2849246 This shows how retarded you are. Have you heard of composite? With certain software, you can even play your PS2 games on a PS2 at 720p/1080p albeit with lag or tons of slowdown. Yup you're definitely a shitposter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:23:45 2015 No.2849373 >>2849372 oops meant Component

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:24:51 2015 No.2849378 >>2849372 You mean component, champ? What about the 99% of the rest of the library that's stuck at 480i? Just ignore that shit I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:25:12 2015 No.2849379 >>2849369 Alright, he's avoiding the question. Just report him, he's only using this thread as screencap bait because he got upset over MGS2 and still hasn't let go 15 years later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:28:01 2015 No.2849384 >>2849379 What is the question? The meta shit about hardcore vs casual? Sorry strawman somewhere else kid. Maybe /v/. You seem to be really set on that. Still probably think I'm talking about resolution.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:28:40 2015 No.2849385 >>2849378 Remember, 480i is just a resolution and not the actual graphics. With the software I speak of, you can force games to play on progressive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:31:37 2015 No.2849390 >>2849385 The "software" isn't magic. It's either single field or both deinterlacing to get a fake progressive image. Actually according to the wiki it’s using both fields and doubling them for 60 frames when it can. Pretty shit for games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:32:27 2015 No.2849392 whats the most demanding pc game from 2002? is that retro enough? i think when people under 20 don't know the games on that year it should be considered retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:35:36 2015 No.2849395 PS2 is not now and never will be considered retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:37:45 2015 No.2849402 >>2849392 PC games from 2000 and later aren't considered retro unless there's also a port to retro hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:37:47 2015 No.2849403 >>2849392 >whats the most demanding pc game from 2002? UT2003 probably

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:42:50 2015 No.2849408 But there are PS2 threads on /vr/. This is one. It's fucking awful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 04:47:44 2015 No.2849415 >>2849408 Because of you shitting it up, mate. This board is stagnating into filter wars, and Donkey Kong games are the whipping boy of the week. Having a limited amount of subjects to discuss is not what a board is for, it has to adapt and evolve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:01:15 2015 No.2849427 >>2849415 But... I need my #safespace, I couldn't afford a PS2 because of having to buy black market hormone blockers because my shitlord cis male doctor wouldn't prescribe me them and polygons trigger me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:02:47 2015 No.2849428 >>2849415 >it has to adapt and evolve But as you're not the admin or a mod and don't set the rules, fuck you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:07:32 2015 No.2849431 >>2849415 There's more retro games than anyone could ever possibly play. As long as people keep playing different things there's no need to open the PS2 floodgates.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:08:13 2015 No.2849432
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I was a kid when the Atari (CE 1975) was still in stores and I personal think that the PS2 is the last of the "retro" series (CE 2000 - 15 years ago from present). I think its these people (picture related) that just don't want to concede there notions of retro just might be more than the Pac-Man of their "before-I-was-born" fantasies (picture related).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:12:17 2015 No.2849435 >>2849179 Why would anyone want to play an RPG? That's the most entry level genre there is, that's why only women and children play them. The best console of all time is either the Mega Drive or the Neo Geo AES.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:39:22 2015 No.2849463 File: 18 KB, 927x885, 1435575344669.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2849435 look at this b8 even though I agree as I prefer arcade games over rpgs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 05:55:06 2015 No.2849482 >>2849064 I remember having constant laser problems with it when I was a kid so disappointing, because the PS1 was resilient as fuck

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 06:42:32 2015 No.2849519

>>2849415
Haha, no. You have to have ages, eras, you don't change definitions and group the modern age with medieval times just because too much time has passed since then.

The game design, mechanics, everything is totally different, so one day PS2 might be "modern", "pre-contemporary", but never retro. A 70's movie isn't part of "classic cinema", two hundred years from now, a movie from the 50s still won't be part of the "early cinema" (start of the 20th century).

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