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What is the most difficult 90s FPS? Is it pic related?

>> No.2845581

>>2845570
Rise of the Triad

>> No.2845635

Hexen can be tough, but mostly because it isn't clear where you're supposed to go.

Hardest FPS in terms of difficulty is Blood.

>> No.2845645

>>2845635
duke nukem 3d is harder, but both are only hard because of their reliance on hitscanners

>> No.2845646

>>2845645
i meant to elaborate. i know some memester is going to come by saying "nuh uh blood is the dark souls of fps" but only the first 3 levels are actually difficult and the rest you will coast through

>> No.2846007 [DELETED] 

>>2845646
>i know some memester is going to come by saying "nuh uh blood is the dark souls of fps"

Said no one ever apart from you. Pretty sure you're the 'memester' here m8.

>> No.2846036

hexen 64 was fun multiplayer

>> No.2846039

>>2845570
Mechanically Tribes
But campaign wise probably Final Doom

>> No.2846043

>>2845645

But Duke3d is piss-easy compared to Blood.

>> No.2846558

>>2845570
Final Doom.
plutonia.wad
-skill 5
Final destination.

>> No.2846565

Blood.

>> No.2846598
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2846598

>>2845570
To this day I still don't understand how I beat that game. It's not the hardest but it's like a maze within a maze.

>> No.2846604

>>2846598

Hexen is the one Doom game I wanted to like, but couldn't.

I guess I'm just not a Doom person.

>> No.2846716 [DELETED] 

>>2846558
It's not nearly as hard as doom babies make it out to be. Reflective of vrooms extreme lack of any semblance of skill desu

>> No.2846725
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2846725

Are these games technically FPS? Because this shit blows Hexen away in terms of challenge. I honestly have yet to have fun with either japanese 1 or part 2.

>> No.2846761

>>2846716
>skill 5
That's Nightmare m8. If you're gonna claim that Final Doom on Nightmare is only a bit hard then I'm afraid you're just being a 'I'm so good at games, your hard games are easy' wanker.

>> No.2847182

New Hexen never. Fuck this gay earth, I just want a mod that adds a whole bunch of content to Hexen.

>>2846725

These are difficult for the same reason all From Software games are difficult, From can't actually code for shit. They have great ideas, and are fantastic at worldbuilding, but they can't code for shit, nor do they actually know how to make games play well.

>> No.2847685

>>2846725
King's Field, much like Shadow Tower is easy as shit, it's only hard if you move around like an ADHD kid on crack instead of paying attention playing carefully.

>> No.2847839 [DELETED] 

>>2847182
DeS DaS1 and BB play great fuck off

>> No.2848448

>>2845635
That's not so much an element of difficulty as it's an element of tedium and boredom.
Hexen has terrible gameplay in my opinion.

>>2845645
>Duke
>harder than Blood
Duke can be difficult, but it's overrall a cakewalk compared to Blood, which will embiggen your anus even on easy, and that's not just hitscanners.
The giant spiders, werewolves and stone gargoyles are the worst motherfuckers.

>>2845646
The first three levels are simple.
Do you remember the map with the dam?

>>2846604
Doom has straightforward levels with fun combat.
Hexen has long winding levels with unclear goals, switch and key hunting for hours, god knows where this key goes or what that switch did, hope you're on the right map. A lot of the enemies are plain unfun to fight, yes, you can flechette the centaurs but they're still so horribly unfun to fight, and they're everywhere, they're like one of the most common enemies in the game. You're stuck meandering about fighting nothing, looking for what to do next, and then figuring it out, whereupon there's enemies to fight again, enemies that are tedious to fight, with a tiny arsenal that is largely unsatisfying.

Hexen needs a megawad with Doom style gameplay, monsters and weapons (fuck the classes)
I want to like Hexen, because there's so much cool shit, pretty graphics and evironments, but playing it just isn't any fun.

>> No.2848917

>>2845570
I have no idea what the hardest 90's FPS would be, but it certainly isn't hexen
Deathkings of Dark Citadel is pretty tough though

>> No.2848964

I'd say Blood.

That knockoff "The Shining" maze and the mansion level fucking piss me off.

>> No.2848971

>>2848964

The second episode is what hooked me. I've never even seen The Shining and hated the book, but that place still felt forsaken and evil.

>> No.2848973

>>2848964

Those are my two favourite levels. All those secret passages in the mansion were great.

>> No.2848975

>>2848448

You misunderstand. I disliked Doom. I thought Hexen would be more my style. As it turns out, no matter how badly you want to _think_ a game is good, at the end of the day Hexen is simply too flawed.

>> No.2848981

>>2848973

And all of the secret passages appear to be used to murder guests. Excellent touch. I always kinda figured the Cabal seeks out places that people should not be (like the Overlook) and commandeers them for their own, because they can draw on them using their connection to Tchernobog.

>> No.2848989

>>2848975

I personally think the whole getting lost all the time aspect is what made me love Hexen so much. I mean fuck, the game places you in this arcane world, why would you the player expect to have a fucking clue what you're doing? Why would you not expect to get lost?

>> No.2848994

>>2848989

Getting lost isn't what did it. It was the sudden difficulty spike at The Castle of Grief.

>> No.2849007
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2849007

Corridor 7.

Basically a massive maze. It will piss you off.

>> No.2850817

>>2848981
>And all of the secret passages appear to be used to murder guests.
Shit nigga I never thought about that. Im dumb.

>> No.2851835

i beat it with cheats and a walkthrough and didn't find it that hard

>> No.2851847

>>2845570
Hexen isn't difficult it's just extremely tedious. Which is a shame because I love the artstyle and weapons.

>> No.2851893
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2851893

Try playing the onfoot sections without save scumming and see how far you get.

>> No.2851956

Will we ever see a blood source port?
That's all I want in life as far as games go

>> No.2852007

>>2848448

Hexen is one of my favorite games. here are the changes I would make:

centaurs should hold up their shields for a shorter length of time.
more enemy variety.
change korax into being more like d'sparil (I believe the korax in-game was originally the mount, and the heresiarch was the original serpent rider, but this was changed due to rushing the game out)

>> No.2852025

>>2845570
Hexen is too well designed to be the most difficult. I'm certain the actual hardest 90s FPS is some nigh-unplayable shovelware tripe.

>> No.2852032

>>2851956
With the frequency I see this opinion expressed I'm surprised no one with the competency to make it happen has gotten around to it. You'd think there'd be some programmer who thought Blood was the tightest shit ever.

>> No.2852057

>>2851893
Shogo (and Blood II due to the same engine) were not even that hard, just brutally unfair and suffering from hitscanners.

>> No.2852203
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2852203

prove me wrong.

>> No.2852239

Shadow Warrior deserves a mention.

>> No.2852776

>>2852032
Atari is squatting on the sourcecode.

It's difficult to make a port without the sourcode. Atari demands 500 000 USD for the sourcecode and rights to Blood

But as always, Atari are terrible at managing finances, and they can't last forever.

>> No.2852932

>>2845645
Duke 3D is a goddamn cakewalk compared to Blood. I can run through Duke 3D on hardest difficulty no problem. Try doing the same thing with Blood and get raped.

>> No.2853219

>>2851893
I can get through those sections just fine. Some of the mech segments are tough though.

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>>2847182
>I just want a mod that adds a whole bunch of content to Hexen.
Try Necrosis

http://zdoom.org/wiki/Necrosis

new enemies, new weapons, brand new campaign/levels. Pretty fucking rad.

>>2852025
I Played through it recently, having never got past 7 portals back in the day. I still had to use the walthrough when I got stuck. cunty level design but thats part of the reason I love it. Great game. I design maps for it (pic related)!

>> No.2853281

Perfect Dark is pretty difficult, I tell ya. I think it edges out many of the PC FPSes in that respect.

>> No.2853283
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2853283

>Pistol starting map9 on second hardest difficulty
its fucking hard

>> No.2853643

Never heard of Blood, so I looked it up


holy shit it's creepy as fuck

>> No.2853678

>>2848964
>clear out mansion
>get smug and don't bother quick saving for a while
>get crushed to death by a door you just opened

>> No.2853690

>>2853678

The mansion itself wants to kill you. It's the Overlook Hotel, remember? The structure has a will of its own.

>> No.2853773

>>2847182
Play Serpent Resurrection if you haven't already. It's fucking amazing.

>> No.2853883

>>2853643
It's pretty cool, you should play it.

>> No.2853884

>>2853643
It's fucking great. It's too OTT to be creepy.

>> No.2855349
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2855349

>>2853678
Holy FUCK are you me!?

I have no idea how long I had been fucking around in the mansion

>Get attacked by two grim reaper enemies

>Barely survive

>Standing next to wall, just got health back

>Open door that swings inward

>Instantly crushed

>Ragequit

I hardly ever rage at a game either.

>> No.2855442

>>2849007
That's the same with Wolf3D. Didn't C7 have a map system though? I could deal, the thing that irks me is I recall it not having rebindable keys, you know without having to map a custom keymap in dosbox.

>> No.2856030

Just started re-playing blood on dos box

wow it really is fucking hard. If you don't find all the secrets and very carefully deal with each encounter, you're going to have a very bad time. Far harder than doom or hexen.

>> No.2856045

>>2856030
Using bmouse?

>> No.2856074

>>2853643

It won't be when you start listening to Caleb being fucking jolly.

>> No.2856079

>>2856045
bmouse?

I can only use mouse to turn around and fire, not full look around and no secondary fire with right click

>> No.2856143

>>2856079
bmouse is an add on but the vanilla game has full mouse look support if you press U I think.

>> No.2856152

Blood without a doubt. Hitscanners are relentless in this game.