/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2728218]

>fails at the additions
>gets whooped
>proceeds to write a review on gamefaqs/metacritic loathing the gameplay and battle system

[Anonymous No.2729519]

>>2728218
And you can tell they haven't even gotten past the first dungeon too when they say that shit. The game is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.2729537]

>>2728218
>thinking QTEs are deep or strategic in any way

[Anonymous No.2729539]

>>2729537
This.

It doesn't help that you have to do them.
Every single attack, in every single battle for the -entire- game.

Its the only JRPG I've actually used a gameshark to get a shitload of money so I could buy Wargod Calling and skip that bullshit.

[Anonymous No.2729542]

>>2729539
Sorry, Ultimate Wargod.

[Anonymous No.2729543]

>>2729537
No one's saying QTE's are deep or strategic or even take skill, although a few in this game do take a bit of practice. This game isn't even an ATB styled RPG. I don't think just being able to turn into a Dragoon would differentiate this enough and something has to break up just selecting your attacks.

[Anonymous No.2729548]

>>2729543
>No one's saying QTE's are deep or strategic or even take skill

Except every LoD fanboy ever.

> I don't think just being able to turn into a Dragoon would differentiate this enough and something has to break up just selecting your attacks.

Like being able to use magic outside of dragoon mode, shame the game won't let you.

[Anonymous No.2729551]

>>2729537
>>2729539
I didn't imply by any means that they require skill. It is just that a lot of casuals that can't even tap the buttons in the proper rhythm say that the game is bad.
Since the shoes fitted, I'm willing to bet both of you can't even pull off the most basic 3 tap additions in that game.

[Anonymous No.2729556]

>>2729551
>It is just that a lot of casuals that can't even tap the buttons in the proper rhythm say that the game is bad.

Even casuals can after a bit of practice unless they're low-functioning retards, all the additions do is drag out the mundane battles even further.

[Anonymous No.2729557]

>>2729548
>being able to use magic outside of dragoon mode, shame the game won't let you
Sure it does, it just makes you throw consumable items instead.

Theres a reason LoD is often left in mediocrity. Its just not very good all around. Very few options since you'll just be using each new addition as they come and you have an incredibly limited move set.

[Anonymous No.2729560]

>>2729548
The fact you can't use magic in human form is pretty much explained in the game. I do think the only exception for that rule should've been meru, as she isnt human.
But who cares anyway. The plot of the game is crap. The additions are a funny system though and by far the only enjoyable thing in this game (altough the last one is way too overpowered in most cases and makes dragon additions useless towards the end game).

[Anonymous No.2729562]

>>2729557
>Sure it does, it just makes you throw consumable items instead.

Made even better by your inventory's limited 32 item storage capacity.

>Theres a reason LoD is often left in mediocrity. Its just not very good all around.

This. Even the story and characters, while much more enjoyable than the actual gameplay, were mostly meh at best.

[Anonymous No.2729563]

>>2729556
Read some reviews online. There are morons that complain about additions being too hard.
Which it was the point of this thread.

[Anonymous No.2729564]

>>2729563
Yes, and? If they can't master simple QTEs they have some form of retardation.

And I've read reviews claiming how additions require skill, which is even more laughable.

[Anonymous No.2729565]

>>2729562
Your comsumable item slots are limited due to the sheer amount of power the items have in this game. Healing items heal a huge amount of health and it is in %. The attack items also do colossal damage if used by the right characters.
I disagree with you about the story and characters. I think they are pretty much shit (specially at the end of the third disc and the 4 disc).
I do think that the gameplay, despite a few flaws is very enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.2729573]

>>2729564
That's the point of this thread before you faggots got carried away by itsy bitsy things.
It doesnt require skill, however some require time getting used to (specially the ones that get countered during fast sections of button taps), neither it does add strategy to the game (you can't change them in battle and they do not affect your dragoon damage or performance). It is just a fun gimmick, at least to me.
Obviously flawed as shit, because slower characters take forever to master them, but I digress.

[Anonymous No.2729576]

>Hey dude, there is this rpg coming to the ps1 and it looks a lot like saint seya and shurato
>Holy shit, I can't wait to play it

[Anonymous No.2729589]

>>2729573
>but I digress
Do you even know what the word "digress" means or are you just another retard that doesn't know how to speak his own language? Your probably think it's synonymous with "ramble" or some shit, but it actually means "to leave the main subject" which you obviously weren't doing because this entire topic is about Legend of Dragoon. Fucking retards, man. It's like you don't even know the definitions of the words you use everyday. You only vaguely know the general context.

[Anonymous No.2729615]

>>2729589
Global Rule 6:
The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments

[Anonymous No.2729619]

>>2729589
Nah, I messed up and forgot to delete the last sentence. I actually wrote about how I like rhythm games and it was good seeing an rpg centered on timed button taps). Shouldve deleted the 'digress" part but shit. Its 4am, almost 5. Typos, syntax errors, grammar errors all that happen.

[Anonymous No.2729693]

Man this game sucked the big one, but I'd still look forward to a sequel that lived up to the potential the first game failed to deliver. Too bad that will never happen unless JRPGs start making a big comeback, and I'm not talking about Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.2729761]

DIE MORE AND MORE

[Anonymous No.2729849]

>>2729693
I like LoD and think its one of the better rpgs on the playstation, so I disagree about it sucking, but I do think it was way overhyped and its really basic outside of the additions, too much about the game seems to have no frills, story is generic and even the level up patterns give you set HP values and shit, a weird thing to gripe about, but seeing your hp go up by X value every level without even a little randomization is odd compared to most rpgs at the time.

Also the game required an assload of grinding, and mostly for additions, the levels were obnoxious to grind but the additions were what you HAD to grind, or you just didn't do anything

Still I liked the dragoon forms and additions enough to think the game was pretty decent in the end on gameplay, even if it was QTE heavy, I kinda hate people bitching about the additions when they always bitch about FF games being press X to win

[Anonymous No.2729858]

>>2729619
You don't have to make excuses for that faggot.

[Anonymous No.2729862]

>>2729849
>I kinda hate people bitching about the additions when they always bitch about FF games being press X to win

I'm kinda in that boat to be honest. I mean FF7 is one of my favorite games of all time but I'm not going to lie about it being way too easy, hell I could have sleepwalked through that game.

Regarding LoD it pretty much encourages you to spam Attack to win since your only other means of attack come from the magic items. The rest of the game is average at best, it had some good moments (like when Rose slapped Lavitz for trying to drag her away - I don't know why but it made me chuckle) but fails to deliver on the potential it had, which is a shame because it could have been a much better game.

[Anonymous No.2729935]

>>2729761
VOLCANO

[Doctor Stig No.2730371]

>>2729935

>That fucking addition Lavitz had where the timing changed after he died and Albert inherited his moves

Fuck this game.

[Anonymous No.2730378]

>>2728218
>succeeds at the additions
>whoops the game
>proceeds to write a review loathing the gameplay and battle system

FTFY. It might shock you to realize that not everyone out of the vast numbers of people who dislike this game suck at it. A great deal of us hate it for what it actually is.

[Anonymous No.2731465]

>>2730378
But the combat is so deep compare to Final Faggotry because it requires ACTUAL SKILLS

[Anonymous No.2731485]

>Obsessively practice timing to build up massive chains
>Discover chaining is for the most part a dead end technique

Dragoon is interesting because it drew a lot of hate back in the day thanks to its ill-advised advertising. Any modern reviewer who shits on it is probably an idiot though.

[Anonymous No.2731489]

>>2731485
Any modern reviewer who praises it is definitely an idiot.

[Anonymous No.2731494]

>>2731465
You know what kind of games have fighting that ACTUALLY require skill? Fighting games. Legend of Dragoon requires a tiny bit of hand eye co-ordination.

[Anonymous No.2731496]

>>2731485
Chaining isn't a dead end technique.

Its just a tool that the game gives you. Sure, going for massively long chains grants diminishing returns on damage and accuracy, but if you use it effectively, its no better or worse then anything else in the game.

One of the reasons that VS is so good, so many different ways to play.

[Anonymous No.2731513]

>>2731494
Even fucking Kingdom Hearts requires more skill than Legend of Dragoon.

[Anonymous No.2731518]

>>2731485
How is this ill-advised, it's genius!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEs2OlW25Ao

[Anonymous No.2731524]

>>2728218

This is such a shit game that pales in comparison to any other good to great PS1 RPG. Doesn't help that it came out only a couple of months before Chrono Cross did, either.

[Anonymous No.2731536]

>>2731518
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.2731620]

>>2731494
>Legend of Dragoon requires a tiny bit of hand eye co-ordination

Actually it is more of tapping on the correct rhythm. And for normal attacking, the only game that also did that was patapon (which is entirely based on pressing the right combination of taps to do any action in the game).
And I agree about fighting games requiring skill. However there are a lot of people online with salty asses because they can't pull off long strings such as perky step on LoD.

[Anonymous No.2731738]

Why didn't they use an Angel Prayer to save Lavitz?

[Anonymous No.2731914]

>>2729935
BLAZING DINAMO

[Anonymous No.2731925]

>>2731465
>correctly performing an addition is ACTUAL SKILLS

No, it's not skills, it's tedium. Why do I have to make a collect call to Barsoom, Mars just to get the powerful attacks to work? Even a shitty video game player would start getting them out after 3 or 4 tries.

[Anonymous No.2731931]

>>2731738
How meru, lenus and lloyd can transform into dragoon?

[Anonymous No.2731934]

HARPOON

[Anonymous No.2731943]

>>2731934
GUST OF WIND DANCE

[Anonymous No.2731991]

>>2731931
Why is Shana such a useless piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.2732000]

>>2731934
SPINNING CANE

[Anonymous No.2732020]

>>2729551
The mere fact that you're saying people who can't tap the buttons are casuals implies that it requires some degree of skill.

[Anonymous No.2732037]

>>2731991
>turbo controller
>attack item spam

Kongol however is the worst piece of shit in any rpg I ever played

[Anonymous No.2732050]

>a game you like gets criticized and fairly so
>WOW I BET U THOUGHT IT WAS TOO HARD
People who defend this game never actually DEFENDS it, there are usually no arguments.

[Anonymous No.2732070]

>>2732050
Yeah you can see people praising the story, graphics, skillful combat etc. I mean it's all bullshit, but they still defend it.

[Anonymous No.2732276]

>>2732037
Kongol was fucking useless yes, slow and weak to magic which every boss has.

Meru is by far the strongest character and has the most useful dragoon spells too.

[Anonymous No.2732292]

>there will never a be a prequel about the original dragoons.
I still love this cutscene despite the terrible voice acting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjzhSbSofA

[Anonymous No.2732303]

>>2732070
literally the only thing I like about the game are the graphics. They are pretty sweet, the environments look interesting. But EVERYTHING else is so bad. characters, story, gameplay, music. It's sad because it was one of my favorite games when I was like 9. As someone else pointed out it would be sweet if we got a sequel that fixed everything.

[Anonymous No.2732313]

>>2729849
>I kinda hate people bitching about the additions when they always bitch about FF games being press X to win
It's because it takes away press X to win and replaces it with something even more obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.2732337]

>this thread

/v/ overdose

[Anonymous No.2732364]

I'd have liked the additions more if you could do different ones in the same battle. Kinda like the deathblow system in Xenogears?

[Anonymous No.2732395]

>>2732337
People not liking your favorite game doesn't meant they are from /v/.

[Anonymous No.2732401]

>>2732395

[Anonymous No.2732431]

>>2731513
Yeah.

On critical mode.

[Anonymous No.2732442]

>>2732313
pretty much, if you're gonna have tons of boring and way too long random encounters with no real element of strategy then don't bog it down even further with pointless shallow mechanics. You still "press X to win", just here it's tedious as well as boring.

[Anonymous No.2732447]

>>2732401
Are you just gonna keep throwing memes and scapegoats whenever someone tells you a game that was never well liked to begin with isn't that great?

[Anonymous No.2732448]

>>2732276
>>By far

That's a bit of an over estimation. She's the fastest character in game and her final addition has a damn good multiplier. However, Haschel is pretty close to her, if not up to par, due to his ultimate weapon having the same ability that Robo's Crisis Arm has, that you do more damage the more you are damaged yourself...and the fact that he has the second strongest multipliers in the game.

And unlike Meru, he does not die from getting hit by any physical attacks. He has a shit dragoon form, though. Nobody cares about dragoon forms, so it's still moot.

[Anonymous No.2732834]

>>2731925
Anything that requires the littlest amount of practice is considered requiring skill.

[Anonymous No.2733959]

>>2732303
>It's sad because it was one of my favorite games when I was like 9.

Everybody likes lots of shitty things as a kid, the real judge of character is being able to take off the nostalgia goggles and see whatever it is you loved for what it really is. Heck I loved Alundra 2 as a kid but looking back it's nowhere near as good as I remembered it being. Regarding LoD it boggles my mind how anyone can honestly and objectively consider it anywhere near the best JRPG ever when even ignoring Final Fantasy there's so much better stuff on the PS1 alone.

[Anonymous No.2733960]

>>2733959
And for the record yes, I do in fact hold the firm belief that FF7 > LoD by a good solid country mile.

[Anonymous No.2735114]

>>2731496
The Crossbow says hi and fuck you I can chain as long as I fucking want.

[Anonymous No.2735143]

>>2733960
One game being better than the other doesn't make LoD completely unplayable.

[Anonymous No.2735169]

>>2735143
I never said it was.

[Anonymous No.2735179]

C O C K
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[Anonymous No.2735189]

>>2735179
I don't know if it's the translation or not, but this game is comedy gold.

[Anonymous No.2735398]

I liked LoD, but yeah, it's not spectacular through-and-through. Even for it's time, there were much better games out already. It's still enjoyable, and it does have really good moments. Some nice music, too. But the gameplay is very one-dimensional. More spells (for both you and the enemy), and more dynamic encounters would have made the game a lot more interesting.

[Anonymous No.2735415]

>>2729589
>just another retard that doesn't know how to speak his own language? Your probably think it's

[Anonymous No.2735441]

>>2728218
I can do the additions. The game is still shit

[Anonymous No.2735474]

I'd just like to say that I don't think Legend of Dragoon is a bad game, but it is extremely bland and generic especially in the story and character department (I lost count at how many Star Wars "homages" there were). The gameplay, while innovative, got stale after a short while, and was just as braindead as that of any other JRPG. The graphics were piss poor even for a late 1999 PS1 game and the world map was a fucking joke.

That being said, it can still be enjoyable if you go into it with an open mind. Just don't believe the glowing praise from the overly-nostalgic fanbase.

[Anonymous No.2735525]

>>2735179
That cock is going to murder the hell out of you.

[Anonymous No.2735564]

>>2729543
>I don't think just being able to turn into a Dragoon would differentiate this enough
Especially since Dragoons are almost 100% useless in the second half of the game.

[Anonymous No.2735628]

>>2729589
>Your probably think it's synonymous
>Your
>>2728218
I liked LoD. It had charm and tried to be different from FF when at the time every other JRPG wanted to be FF.
But "tried" is the keyword here, and in the end, LoD isn't a very rounded or polished game.

[Anonymous No.2735634]

>>2735628
sameguy here. Just to make it clear that I bought it when it came out, and still recently played it. It is fun if you play it without looking for its flaws and it's a game I genuinely like, but it's nowhere the lost unappreciated gem some people make it.

[Anonymous No.2735636]

>>2735628
U avin a giggle right? LoD is one of the guiltiest examples of a game trying to copy FF, especially FF7.

[Anonymous No.2735647]

>>2735636
>But "tried" is the keyword here

[Anonymous No.2735651]

>>2735647
Even that I would argue but whatever. If you took away the QTE gimmick the game wouldn't have been any different from the typical Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.2738028]

>>2733959
>character is being able to dislike video games you once liked

What a life

[Anonymous No.2738032]

>>2732050
>fairly so

That's not for you to decide. And where the fuck are your arguments?

[Anonymous No.2738460]

>>2738028
If said video games are objectively shit then yes.

[Anonymous No.2738751]

>>2738028
Way to completely miss her point retard.

[Anonymous No.2738779]

>>2738751
>her

Femanons don't exist, friendo.

[Anonymous No.2738949]

>>2735179
I'm not sure if this is the same screenshot I posted years ago in another LOD thread, or if everyone takes the same picture when it arises.
Either way, I always crack a smile at that.

[Anonymous No.2739152]

While I played LoD several times and actually enjoyed it, the battle system really could have been better.

You had access to only one addition and had to set it up in the menu, inside combat your characters turned into one-trick ponies.

I found the item menu to be far too limited with small amounts of stuff you could carry and an ever smaller bag. This was especially annoying considering that the only way to use magic outside of dragoon transformations was via items which then ate up your inventory space.

[Anonymous No.2741258]

I thought LoD was mediocre when I played it in 2001 already. The only part that was very well made were the FMV cutscenes, and there were only a few of them. The 2D backgrounds are pretty nice too. I mostly finished it because there weren't too many other RPGs available in Europe back then.

The addition system was alright. It made the battles feel a bit more interactive. Never realized that some people had trouble doing them. They were pretty easy for me, I always got them right after practicing them a few times.

[Anonymous No.2742531]

>>2728218
The game was shit back then and it's even shittier now, you only love it so much because it was your first JRPG.

[Anonymous No.2743380]

>Bunch of Toxic /v/ faggots tossing around meaningless criteria and labels to the game
>No one discussing the game objectively
>So bland and easy
>All the characters were lame and unrelateable
>Tedious battle system
>Cry Cry Cry

There isn't one post in this thread that wasn't menstruated out of some angsted & agitated buttmad crevice, probably where your Uncle touched you where your father and waifu wouldn't