Is it okay to play Earthbound, without knowing about the original mother?

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Anonymous Fri Oct 9 08:44:22 2015 No.2727945 [Reply] [Original]

Is it okay to play Earthbound, without knowing about the original mother?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 08:44:49 2015 No.2727946 Yes. I did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 08:48:52 2015 No.2727949 >>2727945 Most of NA did back when it first came out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 08:53:07 2015 No.2727957 >>2727949 But are there any plot points in the original, that gives you more context in the sequel?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 08:55:42 2015 No.2727960 >>2727957 Nah. They're basically like final fantasy games. new world, new cast. An alien invasion is the only real shared theme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 09:03:25 2015 No.2727970 Yes you have to be a complete sperglord to play Earthbound. >>2727949 >All 20 people who bought it in NA did back when it first came out. Fix'd

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 09:05:03 2015 No.2727972 >>2727970 Found the real sperg. People can like games dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 09:05:13 2015 No.2727973 >>2727945 The first game will give you a bit of insight on the villain but it's not necessary to play Mother 1 first

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 09:20:25 2015 No.2727985 >>2727970 >stop liking what i dont like underage please leave

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 05:36:58 2015 No.2729728 >>2727945 Mother 1 is unnecessary. FYI though, Mother 3 assumes you've played Earthbound.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 05:40:43 2015 No.2729734

>>2727945

Yup, literally everybody who played EB from it's release till the early 00's didn't even know "Mother" existed and it was for the better.

I'd even suggest to not bother with Mother 3, but that's my opinion.

EB is fucking great though, dat moonside, man.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 05:42:39 2015 No.2729739

If you play Mother 1, the final boss in EarthBound will have a completely different raison d'être, otherwise if you don't play M1, the final boss will be a somewhat generic (but still cool) "evil alien" and nothing else.

Same thing with Mother 3 to be honest. You can play it without playing EarthBound, but the main antagonist's back story is explained only in EB.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 06:55:06 2015 No.2729807 Tfw I'll never be able to play Mother 3 because I can't time combos right on an emulator

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 06:57:29 2015 No.2729814 >>2729807 You can still go through Mother 3 without pulling off combos. They are a little extra help, but they aren't vital. Also, I could pull off several 16-hit combos on emulator. It's easier on the real hardware though, but still doable on emus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 08:16:03 2015 No.2729881 >>2729814 I beat Mother 3 with only pulling of a full 16-hit combo once. Combos help, but you can still beat it without them. Still one of my favorite video games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 09:17:32 2015 No.2729917 >>2729734 >literally everybody who played EB from it's release till the early 00's didn't even know "Mother" existed Don't go around saying things that aren't true, you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 09:22:28 2015 No.2729919 File: 103 KB, 949x834, MOTHR1review1990.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2729917 This tbh

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 09:30:08 2015 No.2729923
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>>2729734
Mother was featured as Earthbound on Nintendo Power before they swept it under the carpet. Yet a couple years later they mentioned it showing the in some sort of "Japanese Games You Never Played" article.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 09:32:05 2015 No.2729924 >>2729923 Oh an notice the NES Sim City that's probably being hoarded by some prototype hoarding manchild right now... Probably doesn't have that "comfiness" the SNES version has. Doubt, it even had to for music to be made on it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 10:23:33 2015 No.2729954

>>2727945
No.
If you don't play Earthbound without having played Mother, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.
If you didn't play Mother without having played Dragon Warrior, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.
If you didn't play Dragon Warrior without having played Wizardry, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.
If you haven't played Wizardry without having played DnD, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.
If you haven't played DnD without playing classic wargames, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.
If you haven't played classic wargames without actually having been to war, you may as well have not have played it because you're a fucking casual.

Go to war, OP. Then you can play Earthbound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 10:39:38 2015 No.2729964 >>2729954 Guess I just need to play the first Mother then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 10:47:58 2015 No.2729971 Earthbound feels a lot like a reboot of Mother. There's some minor plot things, but you could just read them on wikipedia.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 10:51:57 2015 No.2729975

>>2729971

They're very similar in many things, but completely different. Plot things aren't "minor", completely differentt han EB's plot. What's similar is the setting, and the main character being a kid with a cap and a baseball bat.

Come on guys, you're on /vr/, you shouldn't get too intimidated by a NES RPG because of its encounter rate. Never played any other RPG form that time?

Mother is a short series, it only has 3 games, and they're best enjoyed when played in order.
Mother 1 won't take you more than 20 hours or so.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 11:07:08 2015 No.2729987

>>2729975
If intimidation is the problem, download the Mother 1 and 2 GBA rom and then look for the translation of Mother 1. The guy who made it included an 'easy ring' item that you equip and it plays with the numbers in the game so you can breeze through for the story. Of course, everyone here will call you a weenie and kick down your sand castle, but this is fucking video games, if you aren't having fun then what's the point?
The translation guys may have an already patched rom on their site, I don't recall. They are working on Earthbound but have only translated item names, which makes me sad because I want to play it on my Micro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 12:48:18 2015 No.2730153 >>2729964 You need to get into war first. Better sign up. >>2729954 I feel like if anyone actually did all this, they would actually appreciate things more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 13:34:01 2015 No.2730230 >>2730153 >I feel like if anyone actually did all this, they would actually appreciate things more. They do and they let you know. It's like veganism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 10:18:48 2015 No.2731968 >>2727945 There are two things you need to know from Mother 1 before you play 2 1) Who Giygas is 2) Shit, actually that's it

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 10:58:45 2015 No.2732021 >>2729975 asking people [who need a TLDR in posts to not waste time] to waste 20 hours of their time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 11:18:48 2015 No.2732057 >>2732021 what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 18:55:51 2015 No.2734709 >>2729923 >Earthbound >1991 wow, i thought it was a 1994 game

Anonymous Mon Oct 12 18:59:53 2015 No.2734720

>>2734709

Earth Bound = unreleased tentative name of Mother 1 in US
EarthBound = US title for Mother 2
EarthBound Beginnings = official title of Mother 1 on its official western virtual console release (although on the title screen, it still says "Earth Bound")

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 22:50:41 2015 No.2735087 >>2727960 apparently Gigax was apart of the original mother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 23:05:16 2015 No.2735106 Yeah, the first Mother isn't even worth playing at all.

>>	NickTheFool Mon Oct 12 23:25:33 2015 No.2735129 Playing Mother after playing Earthbound was really fulfilling. I got to see how the gameplay and style set up in Mother evolved into Earthbound. I'd recommend playing it. It's a good overall RPG.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 23:27:43 2015 No.2735132 >>2735129 >Playing Mother after playing Earthbound was really fulfilling. hahahaha, wow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 23:37:18 2015 No.2735145 >>2730153 I have literally done everything on that list but play the first Mother game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:02:03 2015 No.2735173 >>2727945 yeah it's fine Mother 1 is shit, 2 does everything it tried to do, but better. All you need to know is that Giygas was raised by humans

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 02:10:43 2015 No.2735337 >>2729954 worst post. i award you no points.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 18:06:14 2015 No.2736562
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Thinking of playing Mother 1, should I jump into the original game, or give this rom hack a try?
It changes the graphics and adjusts the balance of the game. Do you guys see it as enhancing the experience or tainting the original, and I should play the original first?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 18:50:04 2015 No.2736630 >>2729734 Mother 3 is a superior game in almost every aspect you take that shitty opinion back

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 18:52:42 2015 No.2736636

>>2736562
Play the GBA version with Tomato's translation patch. Still a mediocre game (feels like a half baked prototype to M2) but it's the best way to experience it. There's also an "Easy Ring" which does a bit of rebalancing to make it more bearable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 01:43:04 2015 No.2737261 File: 4 KB, 248x224, UMvC3_HerosHeralds_Gene.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >those trees >those sprites >that color palette just play the original

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 01:47:44 2015 No.2737264 >>2729734 >I'd even suggest to not bother with Mother 3 That's the one you should play. It took M2's gameplay and made it significantly better in every aspect.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 11:34:23 2015 No.2739428

>>2727945
Yes. In my opinion, the original isn't very fun.

>>2727957
Very little, if any, some of it seems speculative. The plot had some similarities I suppose.

You're really better off just watching a Let's Play (which would be cut and edited for time in most cases, because random encounters are insanely frequent)

Unless you're REALLY hardcore into Earthbound.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 11:40:03 2015 No.2739441

>>2729917
The first game was localized, but ultimately not released outside of Japan, so you probably had little clue about it existing in the 90s unless you went on Earthbound forums.

A copy of the localized cart had surfaced eventually, and was dumped, as well as a translation of the Famicom release, but on launch, nobody in the west fucking knew that Earthbound was a sequel, it took a while for people to learn about that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 11:46:31 2015 No.2739448 File: 16 KB, 320x240, mother-3-earthbound-64-flint.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2739428 >You're really better off just watching a Let's Play

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:30:36 2015 No.2739959 >>2729975 A boring game with nonstop random encounters isn't worth my time dude. I play games to have fun, not mash the Attack command like a retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:32:41 2015 No.2739961 >>2736630 I bet you're also looking forward to "Mother 4".

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:33:59 2015 No.2739965 File: 117 KB, 720x960, 1443735650364.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Earthbound

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:35:13 2015 No.2739969

>>2739959
>A boring game with nonstop random encounters isn't worth my time dude

You might be on the wrong board then. Older RPGs have a lot of random encounters. Luckily, they're not actually boring as they're pretty fast due to not having load times and not having long animations like modern games do, they're quick.

Fun is subjective and if you only use the "attack" command you will get fucked, especially on tougher enemies that do not die easily and deal mortal damage in one hit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:37:18 2015 No.2739974 File: 1 KB, 238x124, EB_Master_Belch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2739965 You cared enough to post

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:38:16 2015 No.2739976 >>2739965 uh what are you doing >>/vr/?task=search2&search_filename=1443735650364.jpg

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:39:13 2015 No.2739978 >>2739976 maybe he gets off at dog vomit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 18:39:15 2015 No.2739979 File: 418 KB, 599x851, Halo-Combat-Evolved-Game-of-the-Year-Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2739976 Got bored of posting pic related.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 19:36:52 2015 No.2740069

>>2739969
I'm just gonna come out and day it; I don't think Mother has aged well as a game.

>>2739448
The first game is tedious and ploddy, playing it is a SIGNIFICANT time investment, and it really isn't nearly as fun as it's sequels, if you've come from just playing Earthbound, Mother will probably feel quite disappointing and uninteresting, especially coupled with the balls to the walls encounter rate.
You've got a very slow burn for what's more or less a prototype for a much better game that you just played.

In my opinion.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 19:43:08 2015 No.2740074

>>2739969
>You might be on the wrong board then. Older RPGs have a lot of random encounters.

Or he might be on the right board, but he just doesn't like how the really old RPG games played.
Sometimes you don't like all aspects of a genre, for instance, I like sidescrolling platformers, but Sonic really doesn't appeal to me.

And sure, encounters end faster, but there's still a LOT of them, it still feels really tiresome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 19:46:25 2015 No.2740084 >>2727972 actually laughed out loud. nice.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 19:57:27 2015 No.2740094
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>>2740074

>but he just doesn't like how the really old RPG games played.

That's okay, it's his own opinion and taste.
That still doesn't mean that people should skip Mother 1 because of its encounter rate. It's really not a big deal for anyone who is used to play older RPGs, especially NES-era ones.

>>2740069

I don't really like the use of the word "age" for video games. People age, games do not. Mother 1 still looks and plays the same as it did in 1989.
For a Famicom RPG, Mother is quite impressive with its big "open world" map, the detailed sprites (not just the ones during battles) and the music.

And of course going backwards and playing Earthbound before Mother will feel like an underwhelming experience. That's why you should play them in order, see how the series evolved from one gen to the next one.

I'm not forcing anyone to play Mother 1, I'm just saying that if you can't appreciate older games without comparing them to newer ones, you might be on the wrong board.

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 20:14:49 2015 No.2740115

>>2727945
I did, no problemo. The original Mother is, to say the least, an '80s JRPG, so if you're at all interested, expect an absolute grindfest. There are patches and alternative roms to alleviate this, though. Regardless, the first Mother is pretty solid as far as '80s JRPGs go.. Also includes some decent lore within the franchise, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 20:50:21 2015 No.2740168 >>2727945 NO! If you didn't play Mother on a repro translation in a retron then anything you do in the later games doesn't count.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:00:01 2015 No.2740553

>>2727945
Earthbound is useful to know Mother 3 context, but not Mother 1 to EarthBound.

Mother 1 is a nice experience though in terms of story and music (one of the few NES titles that can make you legitimally cry), but the gameplay is unbalanced. You need a lot of grinding to not keep underleveled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:05:08 2015 No.2740565 >>2740553 >but not Mother 1 to EarthBound. But it does the same thing Mother 3 did to EB. The main antagonist in EarthBound is one who returns from the previous game, and no backstory about him is explained, same as Porky in Mother 3.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:32:24 2015 No.2740608

>>2740565
But it's more for trivia data than an actual storyline dependence. They're are indeed tied by a thread, but a thin one.

Spoilers ahead:
For example, Mother 2 presents you Giygas as a mass of pure evil, which would make sense by itself alone, not giving you the sensation of a missing link. But once you play Mother 1 you know, incidentally, that Giygas is not that evil incarnate, being just an alien, forced by its kind, to do the nasty job; and its demise was this conflict about its duty and its feelings for Maria.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:36:02 2015 No.2740612

>>2740608

But it's the same with EB and Mother 3.
Porky has a backstory, but if you didn't play EB, you can still understand all of the Mother 3 story. Porky appears as some wicked time traveller and that's it, if you don't really know about his role on EB you aren't missing anything other than a few references like the "best friend's yo-yo" or the earthbound movie at the theatre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:41:34 2015 No.2740617 >>2740612 Yeah, you're right. Personally I played Mother 3 when I was just going out from Mother 2 so I couldn't dissociate things.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:51:46 2015 No.2740630

>>2740617

Yeah, it's way better when you've played the prior game. The games are still god stand alone, but they get more volume in terms of setting if you're already familiar with the prior games.
Getting to see what has become of Giygas at the end of EarthBound was quite surprising after Mother 1, and rather sad, too.

Mother 3 also has some slight references to Mother 1, although much lighter than the EB references.
For example the Magipsy sea shell houses, look like the sea shell houses in Mother 1's Magicant.
Some people also associate the sleeping dragon in Mother 1 to the sleeping dragon beneath the Nowhere Islands.
There's also some returning enemies from M1 that weren't on EarthBound.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 01:54:53 2015 No.2740634 File: 16 KB, 1282x225, latest[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2740608 Well, there is this part and Ness' Yoyo

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 06:28:30 2015 No.2740868 >>2740069 >playing it is a SIGNIFICANT time investment I beat it in two weeks of casual play. I did mod it however.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 06:59:11 2015 No.2740889

>>2740868
It's better in some romhacks, I just think it's less fun with the high encounter rate, the game doesn't engage me nearly as well as it's sequels. The gameplay simply isn't fun to me, unlike Earthbound or Mother 3, it just can't draw me in.

But I guess it's a matter of taste, I like the SNES style of Final Fantasy games, I never liked the NES style of Dragon Quest games.

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 11:57:14 2015 No.2741303

>>2739428
Why does everyone now say to skip Mother 1? After playing Earthbound for the third time I went back and played Mother 1 again. I was impressed with it a lot. The amount of grinding was never as bad as people made it out to be. Both games give you new characters at level 1, but in Mother 1 they give you access to go to magicant and get defense items and level up a few times too. The only time where I felt under level was at the end of the game. I also just find the plot of mother 1 to be superior as well. In the end I guess mother 1 still is harder to get into because its a NES JRPG so it isn't for everyone, but we are on /vr/ so...

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 12:24:31 2015 No.2741348

>>2741303

The average user here is 18 to 25 year old, a lot of people here played 4th gen, but most grew up with 5th gen. They see 3rd gen as some kind of prehistoric, ancient time for gaming that is cool in terms of retro "iconic" figures, but not good enough to actually invest time playing these games.

>In the end I guess mother 1 still is harder to get into because its a NES JRPG so it isn't for everyone, but we are on /vr/ so...

that's what I think. I agree NES RPGs are not as user-friendly as RPGs that came later, but we're on /vr/, advising people to skip or not play certain game because "it has dated mechanics" is a bit weird given the board we're in.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 14:43:43 2015 No.2741552 >>2741348 >I know the age of everyone here >My advice is in any way credible top kek kid

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 14:49:08 2015 No.2741559 >>2741552 >My advice is in any way credible What advice? >I know the age of everyone here Yes, we already know the average userbase age of 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 18:25:19 2015 No.2741895 Is there an easymodo hack for earthbound? I won't try and defend myself, I'll go all out: I'm a lazy fuck who hasn't enjoyed a videogame in half a decade and I just want 'the experience' without any of the difficulty to win hipster credit or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 18:32:11 2015 No.2741903 >>2741895 There is no difficulty. It's brutal for the first 2 hours and then becomes a cakewalk. Just don't be stupid and you can make it though easily.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:24:33 2015 No.2741962 >>2741559 Not for /vr/ you don't. Last time we had an age/first game thread it seemed the average age was about 28. We only had one poster admit to being under 22.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:35:21 2015 No.2741982 >>2741895 >beating a video game from 1994 gives you "hipster" credit I think it's time we retire that word. What the fuck does it even mean at this point?

Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:38:41 2015 No.2741990

>>2741982
THEM, the undesirable people, the THEM, but not me, only THEM, you know THOSE people that we both have different visions of but can pretend we agree based on a common word.

Yeah, THEM.

But nah, it's meaningless. I was just emphasizing that I want to go through the 'experience' of having played earthbound; go through the motions, read the dialog, but never face any real challenge. [Which isn't a good way to play videogames, but I'm too lazy to care.]

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 09:05:28 2015 No.2742983 >>2727970 Anon is acting strange (look at the color of his face, he's under the influence of Giygas!), we'll have to hit him in the shins with a frying pan so he returns to normal/becomes tame!

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 09:35:36 2015 No.2743039

>>2741895
Difficulty is a bit jagged in the beginning, but even then you can just grind that away, just corner one unsuspecting Shark at a time, stock up on delicious hamburgers like a true American, frequently check your bank account (your dad deposits money for each enemy you defeat, the more and stronger, the more green you get)

As long as you don't make it a habit to run away from battles, the difficulty should remain level for most of the game, with the exception of some bosses like the Kraken or Giygas.

Hell, you could cheat with action replay, and you'll still love the world and story, even if you lose out on fun parts of gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 09:55:46 2015 No.2743073 >>2741990 >[Which isn't a good way to play videogames, but I'm too lazy to care.] What you're looking for is a Game Genie.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 10:22:16 2015 No.2743096

>>2741348
>>2741552
>They see 3rd gen as some kind of prehistoric, ancient time for gaming that is cool in terms of retro "iconic" figures, but not good enough to actually invest time playing these games.

23, grew up with 3rd gen, no 4th gen because faggot parents, then 5th gen
Had to experience 4th gen with emulators later on.

To be frank, I don't think a whole lot of titles during 3rd gen are worth investing time in, I don't really find it worth it to invest time in Contra, Final Fantasy or Legend Of Zelda, when there were sequels or other installments on 4th gen with much better gameplay and controls (which isn't to say I don't play 3rd gen games today, I do, it's just that 4th gen is so much better at drawing me in, better than 5th gen a lot of the time even). Why play the first Zelda when Lttp or Awakening DX are mostly the same game but just way better?
(though I'd be interested in exploring 2, Link's Adventure, simply because it's so radically different from the rest of the series). Or Die Hard, which is frustrating and unforgiving, when there's True Lies on the SNES, which is very hard, but ultimately fairly forgiving, and has way more dynamic gameplay (ok so these games aren't really related in any way but they're both based on great movies)

Earthbound does a lot of the same things Mother does, but simply better, and it's way more engaging.

Partially because of technological advancements (more buttons, more and better sound channels, more colors and processing power, just more of everything to make a game out of) making the game feel more alive, making it feel like I'm more part of the game.

Mother feels cold, empty and sterile, Earthbound feels warm, populated and alive.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 11:44:58 2015 No.2743217

>>2743096

>I don't really find it worth it to invest time

nigga, you really have trouble having fun with Contra? that game is timeless. I can still pick it up and play until the end, even better if it's co-op.

>Earthbound does a lot of the same things Mother does, but simply better, and it's way more engaging.

Depends, many people agree that Mother 1's plot is better than EarthBound's, and I agree.
Of course EarthBound improved on a lot of things, especially technical aspects, but that's still not a reason to skip over the first one.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 12:14:00 2015 No.2743260

>>2743217
Contra is I guess not a good example for me, I'm good with fast FPS, 3rdPS or isometric shooters, but Contra gets a bit too close to bullethell for me, I don't do well with fast sidescrollers, or with the one hit kill thing (though Salamander/Lifeforce is simple enough), I'm fine with a game being intense, but I prefer having a larger margin of error. I guess that's the only thing I can think of, Contra just never quite appealed to me somehow.

>but that's still not a reason to skip over the first one.
Earthbound hooks me pretty much immediately, but no matter how long I'd play Mother, I couldn't immerse myself, I never got into it

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 12:57:16 2015 No.2743302

>>2743260

That's alright, I understand how many people would get turned off by NES RPGs. It can't be helped, I guess.
But what I'm saying is that it's pointless to advice other people to skip it just because "it's old", is all I'm saying.

Considering contemporary RPGs, Mother 1 is quite good. It's also very simple.
Classics like Dragon Quest are actually harder than Mother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:51:50 2015 No.2743895 >>2729954 But Mother and Dragon Quest , they aren't rpgs o.o Ultima its a RPG, Fallout 1 its a RPG, Darklands = RPG Mother ? Dragon Quest ? Jrpgs , Mother = Jrpg They are not the same fucking thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:44:28 2015 No.2744006 >>2743895 >being an autistic nitpicker

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:05:03 2015 No.2744035 >>2729923 I remember a Nintendo Power article about the original Mother and how unique it was (i.e. being set in the present and fighting gas pumps etc.), in a larger article about Japanese RPGs that weren't brought over to the U.S. or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:20:22 2015 No.2744049 >>2727945 It's just Mother 3 happening centuries after Earthbound. EB Zero is mentioned nowhere else in the trilogy and it's only there so you can have a bit of backstory on Giygas.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:28:14 2015 No.2744059

>>2744049

>EB Zero is mentioned nowhere else in the trilogy and it's only there so you can have a bit of backstory on Giygas.

EarthBound isn't really mentioned anywhere in Mother 3 other than Porky's backstory though. You can ignore all the EarthBound nods on M3 and still understand the story.

Mother 3 also gives nods to Mother 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:48:07 2015 No.2744423 >>2739965 >hipsterstryingtobecoolbyhatingearthbound.png

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:55:30 2015 No.2744436

>>2744059
It's not about understanding the story. It's about appreciating and understanding the characters. Porkey is an evil villain because he doesn't understand love and friendship because he is basically Cartman and his dad beat him. GIygas and Mommy issues too. The music, atmosphere, simplistic story in Mother 1 helps you appreciate how much Earthbound expanded upon. It's a really great experience. I don't get why everyone says to skip Mother 1, least of all on video RETRO. When Beginnings came out on the VC there were 10 year olds on miiverse who invested more time in a NES RPG than you fucks who tell everyone to avoid the first game in a trilogy.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:01:54 2015 No.2744695

>>2744436
>than you fucks who tell everyone to avoid the first game in a trilogy
Different guy, but I never really said to avoid it, just that it's way less approachable than it's sequels, and that you should consider your options (easy hack, or just watching an LP, to name a few)

Some people will have a great time with it, but it's not as easy to get into, some people will just not enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:51:29 2015 No.2744798 >>2744436 I agree with you, actually. I just meant that the connection between M1 and 2 is the same kind of connection M2 and 3 has, and that's the main antagonist's backstory.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 11:38:17 2015 No.2744828
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>people writing off Mother just because it's an NES game

I cut my teeth on Earthbound but fuck all of you hipster faggots that can't appreciate a game just because it's 8-bit.

Mother 1 has better mechanics than EB in a lot of ways - especially the amount of spells you get as compared to EB's paltry amount.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 11:51:33 2015 No.2744847

>>2744059
M3 doesnt just mention EB in regards to pokey's backstory, it's pretty much a direct link between the two. I would definitely say it's necessary to play EB before M3 to understand what is actually happening by the end of the game. Makes it a lot cooler too

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:00:44 2015 No.2744854
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>>2744847

The exact same thing could be said about Mother 1 and 2.

The only direct link between the two is Porky, the main antagonist (the rest of the Mother 3 cast isn't related to the characters from EarthBound, I know there's fan theories out there, but they're just fan theories, same as "Ninten is Ness' dad").

You should also play M1 to understand what is actually happening at the end of EarthBound, and makes it a lot cooler (or sadder).

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:47:48 2015 No.2744913

>>2744854
I have played all three but there is definitely not as clear of a link between M1 and 2 as there is between 2 and 3. Pokey pretty obviously came directly from the setting of 2 to 3, however I did not immediately recognize giygas being related to giygu in any way. Maybe that's just me, but it seems like the second two games are more clearly connected

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:55:50 2015 No.2744924

>>2744913

There are a lot of references, I agree, especially in New Pork City, and the fact that Dr. Andonuts returns (although he never explains what was of Jeff or any of the EB guys), but the actual link between the 2 games I think is still the same: the main antagonist.
If you never played EB, you could still follow Mother 3's story, Porky is just a mad man who has been traveling in time and space for probably hundreds or thousands of years.

The same way, if you never played Mother 1, you could still follow EB's story. Gyiyg is just an alien invasor who becomes the embodiment of evil because, for some reason, he hates Earth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:00:46 2015 No.2745128 File: 239 KB, 450x588, roper.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2744924 >Gyiyg

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 16:16:46 2015 No.2745249 >>2729807 I was able to combo on emulator

Anonymous Mon Oct 19 06:23:33 2015 No.2746248

>>2745249
It's harder though.

It'll depend on the track of course, but depending on how fast the emulator runs, the music will desync with how you hit, so you'll have to make quasi predictions when trying to hit combos (and this obviously works way better when it comes to music with a fast beat, where tapping rapidly has a good chance of matching, at least in my experience.

Supposedly, you can get the music to sync properly in Visualboy Advance, if you get the clock speed/memory usage of the emulator to run consistently at 98% instead of 100%

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 07:28:07 2015 No.2746295 >>2727957 Kind of. It'll give you a bit more context as to why things are happening but the story works perfectly fine stand alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 20 08:43:16 2015 No.2748468 Anyone else hate the zombie dogs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 09:33:40 2015 No.2750420 What's the difference between Hypnosis and Paralysis?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 11:23:49 2015 No.2750546 >>2727945 you don't know your own mother? what are you? vietnamese or something?

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 11:53:59 2015 No.2750589

>>2744436
Thank you.
Every time I see people say to skip Mother 1 and I can guarantee that they don't fully appreciate the characters or atmosphere of the series as a whole.

It happens with the original Metroid too.
Like dear God why is everyone so scared of an NES game?

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 13:06:50 2015 No.2750710

>>2750589
It's more so because they had a chance to improve the formula. Metroid, and Mother 1 aren't bad games, but they were more so experimental with their respective series. Also Metroid 1 isn't too bad, just need to make your own map or use one and you should be alright. Or use the JUSTIN BAILEY code and dick around. Pretty fun, but makes exploring pointless.

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 15:10:25 2015 No.2750984

>>2750710
>Also Metroid 1 isn't too bad, just need to make your own map or use one and you should be alright
Eh, it's not really that hard navigating without a map.
I don't know, maybe I have fun being lost.

But I get what you mean, Mother 2&3 got rid of encounter + Grind and Metroid got tighter physics, maps, and save points circumvent the starting over with 30 health.
I can understand why people dislike them but these games are by no means unplayable.

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 16:11:09 2015 No.2751138

>>2750984
I have a love/hate relationship with being lost in games. Like, being lost is fun because I can explore and find what I can, but being lost can suck if I just want to go through it. Maybe I'm spoiled with guides too...I remember using a guide for one game and I spiraled out of control. Now I play Western style RPGs, and I feel back on track.

Anonymous Wed Oct 21 16:16:10 2015 No.2751153

>>2751138
>Like, being lost is fun because I can explore and find what I can
This is what made the first Metroid such an amazing experience for me.
Hell, I never even found the deeper part of Norfair which hides the Screw attack and wave beam until my third playthrough.

Finding that that area existed though, my mouth felt lie it hit the floor.
Plus it was all me who found it, so I got wonder, surprise, amazement, AND pride.
feels good man

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 16:20:25 2015 No.2751158 >>2729807 Why is it difficult on an emulator?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 16:21:16 2015 No.2751160 >>2744828 >but fuck all of you hipster faggots that can't appreciate a game just because it's 8-bit. >not liking 8-bit games = hipster way to misuse a word to the point that it lost all meaning

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 17:04:48 2015 No.2751221 File: 299 KB, 128x128, 1371712766606.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2729807 >tfw playing Mother 3 injected on homebrewed 3ds >tfw hitting combos I never could before

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 17:08:29 2015 No.2751225 >>2751158 >people who blame everything on input lag instead of admitting they suck at the game

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 20:31:39 2015 No.2751575 >>2751225 See >>2746248

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 21 20:34:39 2015 No.2751581 >>2746248 You don't need to use that speed hack, though, the latest version of vba-m is supposed to fix that issue (as long as you turn off vsync).

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