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Previous thread - >>2709701

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright!
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

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>> No.2724919

>>2724915
that's exactly what I was thinking.
I paid like $180 for it, but it was only $30 after I had sold an inferior pvm for $150. so I consider it a really good trade in.

>> No.2725014
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2725014

14L5 anon here, as expected, its really gnarly at the back. looks like the back popped out from a drop.
it was sold as parts or not working, but do you think I could get a partial refund for it being in not the same condition as pictured and shipping damage?

>> No.2725148

>>2725136
>tfw saw a listing for 4 20 inch medical PVMs
>They wanted $300 EACH
>ask how low they would go if I bought all 4
>$250 each
>I pass
>the listing stays up until it expires
>never re-listed
>they probably threw them away because nobody would buy for that price

>> No.2725163

>>2725148
just payed 175 with shipping for a 1943md the pictures had street fighter arcade board running it wasnt in the main pvm listing because he didnt put a space inbetween pvm and the model no.

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>>2725163
forgot the pic

>> No.2725514

Does anyone have a good brand/name for Nintendo S-Video cables?

>> No.2725518

>>2725514
the official ones

>> No.2725520

>>2725148
naw they probably tried selling them on ebay next since they will likely get a higher price. they they will throw them away if that doesnt work.

>> No.2725523

>>2725518
I've been having a hard time discerning or finding official ones. Almost all of them range from $35-$60+ and I feel like that price point can't be right for SVIDEO cables, but I know the $10 have got to be shit.

>> No.2725530
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2725530

>>2725514
Nintendo's
Hori
Monster, hilariously

I would say innovation from that 1 ebay seller, but I've gotten some conflicting reports on them.

If you really want to be absolutely sure you're getting actual S-Video and know how to solder, you could just install a standard s-video connector on the SNES itself. Combine that with any SNES AV cable and you're good to go.

>> No.2725542

>>2725530
I'm pretty shit at soldering. A few nip imports for Nintendo cables are pretty reasonable, so I might go for one of them.

>> No.2725583

>>2725530
Have you figured out a good all-around configuration for your RX100 yet? I'm still toying around with mine. Really need to get a tabletop tripod, too.

>> No.2725595

>>2725583
So far, I've just been putting it into Manual Mode, setting the shutter to 1/60, <400 ISO and just go from there.
Same for video.

Still learning how to get it to focus properly in certain situations; Would probably help to start using the aperture/f-stop settings more. I just feel like I'm probably shooting things with too shallow of a depth of field.

>> No.2725598

>>2725595
Also setting the white balance to the color temp of the monitor; Really makes it pick up the colors quite accurately to what's actually being displayed.

>> No.2725629

I finally got my first CRT, as soon as I got home with it I bought this SCART to Component adapter:

http://www.amazon.com/SPECIALTY-AV-SCART-Component-Converter-Genesis/dp/B004XSSDPO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

However in my haste I didn't realize there was no audio out. I know there are SCART cables with stereo out RCA jacks however I can't seem to find any on ebay, any suggestions on where to look for them, or better yet another solution to getting audio out of my consoles? (SNES/Modded N64)

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2725638

>>2724909
Why do you old collectorfags always seem to live in a dump?

>> No.2725639

>>2725595
>>2725598
Hmm, these are good settings.

Do you shoot as RAW then compress down, or do you just shoot as JPEG?

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2725642

>>2725638

You take that back.

>> No.2725647

>>2725629
I stopped being a faggot and looked a little harder

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-EURO-High-Quality-Cable-NTSC-SNES-Super-Nintendo-SFC-Super-Famicom-/171960385187?hash=item2809a33ea3

Just want to confirm, this is what is needed to use that adapter I linked and have audio out, yeah?

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>>2725642
I maintain my previous comment. Did rats eat your chair?

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>>2724909
Is there really an empty tub of cream cheese in the corner?

>> No.2725653

>>2725638
looks clean as fuck to me. you should see my shithole. Also when working on projects means getting dirty sometimes.

>> No.2725654

>>2725651
You know bins like those can be reused for all kinds of shit, right?

>> No.2725656 [DELETED] 

>>2725651
omg... my sides. It is.
>>2725654
Nigga go on craigs list and atleast get some free furniture.

>> No.2725660 [DELETED] 

>>2725654
Don't lie. We know you were eating it straight from the tub and just left it there.

>> No.2725661

>>2725654
What do you use it for?

>> No.2725669

>>2725661
I wash my silverware in it. I just put a little water and soap in it and I've always got a clean spoon when I need one. That soaps strong stuff. I only need to change the water every few weeks.

>> No.2725690

>>2725669
dude. wtf
>a sanitizer solution bucket in you room with brown carpet and wood panels.

>> No.2725695

>>2725690
Whatever dude. It's a hassle to run to the kitchen for silverware every time I get takeout.

>> No.2725698

>>2725695
Is your kitchen on the Moon?

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>>2725661
>>2725669
>>2725690
>>2725695
Jesus fucking christ my sides. You old collectorfags live like animals.

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well even though the back is popped out, geometry looks good as well as the square pattern.

>> No.2725707

>>2725698
No. When a man wants viddles he wants viddles. I'm not gonna waste my time going to the back of my house. Those plastic forks and chopsticks just don't let you eat very fast. I like my cutlery handy.

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>> No.2725767

so from last thread.
you cant plug headphones into a PVM?
Im imagining 90's wraparound headphones.

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2725771

Well, I tried.

Macro Scene mode gave me better results than any tweaking I did in Manual mode.

>> No.2725772

>>2725767
if youre asking if they have a 3.5mm jack, then the answer is no

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2725778

>>2724909
this is such disgusting living conditions
i can literally smell the mold and chode butter emanating from this stank man child dwelling

>> No.2725782

>>2725778
post your room pepe poster. lets see how clean your baitstation is.

>> No.2725791

>>2725704
>tfw old collectorfag with a million crts that also lives in a dump
At least I know I'm not the only one

>> No.2725802

>>2725654
>>2725791
It comes full circle. The kiddies complaining are the one's who'd just get mummy to clean up for them because, like, ewww. The older guys often get their shit together and do a hobby right - look at the way pinball collectors tend to have purpose built sheds or rooms for their gear. ATM a lot of retro guys are in college or just out. Things will get neater as their lives get in order.

tl:dr if you've moved out and gotten married at 20 and you think the OP is living in a dump because your life is so neat: you don't actually have a life, if you bother to look hard at it.

>> No.2725813

Reposting from last thread...

My monitor starts ringing if I leave it on. I don't notice this while playing games...Just when I forget to turn the monitor off...So I don't know if it only does it when it's left on without a console running on it or what. Why is this? It was recently calibrated and stuff when I got it, so I don't think that there's anything wrong with it.

Also, there are two settings I'm not sure about...Comp level which is set to BETA7.5 and NTSC setup which is set to 7.5. These affect the color. What should they be set to?

>> No.2725818

Not to further continue any off topic shitposting or anything OP.

All I'm gonna say is the wood paneling is god awful distracting.
I don't judge though. I used to live in a house like that. I've lived in worse places and I'm sure this is just some ol' shitty room that you muck about in for your hobbies.

All I'm saying is, there's too much emphasis on all the shit AROUND your CRTs and its distracting as fuck. Should have taken a closer picture or something.

No judgement, just saying.

Anyway, carry on.

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2725842

>>2725802
>Im an old, fat, loser slob living in squalor, so respect me

>> No.2725850

>>2725802
Nigga I'm in my 30's. I've been living in my own place or in barracks since I was 18. I keep my shit clean with no help. That's what human beings do. When I see an environment this trashy I assume the person living in it doesn't wipe their ass properly. The goal is no shit on the ass wipe. The same should at least be true for where you live.

>> No.2725852

>>2725802
>if you've moved out and gotten married at 20 you don't actually have a life, if you bother to look hard at it.
So being an old and fat single loser living in a dump playing old video games and eating take out with bucket water utensils while being bitter online is an "actual life"?

>> No.2725864 [DELETED] 

>>2725802
You sound like a creep. No offense tho.

>> No.2725868

>>2725778
>>2725704
>>2725656
>>2725651
>>2725649
>>2725638
nice samefagging

>> No.2725875

>>2725850
>I've been living in my own place or in barracks since I was 18. I keep my shit clean with no help. That's what human beings do
No, that's what the military does. I grew up in a family a little like that, though not in the US. You won't die from not spit-polishing your jackboots every day, it turns out. My desk is strewn with half-finished projects. We're having people over in a few days though, so the wife is making me clean the rest of the house :)

>>2725852
>So being an old and fat single loser living in a dump playing old video games and eating take out with bucket water utensils while being bitter online is an "actual life"?
Nice, conflation; I said nothing of the sort. What I did mean to imply, however, was that it takes all sorts, and people change as they grow older. The college lifestyle is fine while you're in college, in fact it's great, but as the years move on people often do too. There are always outliers, of course.

>>2725864
Sure, if tolerance is alien to you?

>> No.2725883

>>2725868
Only two of those posts were mine. :) Call it samefagging if you like. People are judging your lifestyle whether you like it or not.

>> No.2725886

>>2725875
You can live in clutter if you like. You can clean like an animal whenever relatives come to visit. It's easier to simply keep a clean environment.

>> No.2725891

Just bought a CRT and there's a pulsating pink smudge on the top right corner.

I was told last thread that it was magnetism, that degaussing would fix the problem and it did a few power cycles later, but now it's back.

It appears whenever the TV is on for a while and then turned off, then on again.

Is it really just magnetism or a dying capacitor?

>> No.2725893

>>2725875
I'm lost. I thought you said you washed silverware in your cream cheese bucket.

>> No.2725895

>>2725883
ok, fine so there's two of you.

>> No.2725896

>>2725891
Magnetism

>> No.2725897

>>2725896
How the fuck do magnets work? Serious question. I've tried to read up on it but it all seems like witchcraft nonsense.

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>>2725897

>> No.2725903

>>2725898
You call it bait but you can't explain that shit either.

>> No.2725905

>>2725896
Why does it get gradually worse whenever the TV is on for too long, though?

Is that normal and won't stop until I completely degauss it?

>> No.2725908

>>2725905
Magic nigga. Haven't you been reading. No one in this thread knows wtf magnets are.

>> No.2725913

>>2725903
>>2725897

I didn't know Jugallos went to /vr/.

>> No.2725915

>>2725913

Yeah, I didn't either.

The fuck?

>> No.2725916

>>2725908
I really just want to know whether it's magnetism for sure or a dying cap.

If it's the former, fine, but I'll return the CRT if it's not working properly.

>> No.2725918

>>2725913
>>2725915
Just explain magnets mofo. You can't.

>> No.2725921

>>2725916

Is it near any magnets? If not, then it's probably a dying capacitor or something. I had a TV that had the same problem a while back, and I just put it near my XM29 and turned that on to degauss it, and that solved the problem.

>> No.2725923

>>2725916
It's called craigslist bro. I'm kinda disturbed you bought one. There's a couple free every week if you want to haul them away.

>> No.2725928

>>2725918

Sure we could, but You'll abandon the thread by the time I sum up my own explanation that will even remotely make sense to you, cuz you're a juggalo and all that, so I'll just cite a source fr you.


https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=434'

notice, edu citing a credible source.

Don't hurt yourself, now.

>> No.2725931

>>2725928
You're right. You did all that work linking your source an I'm not gonna read any of that jewish propaganda.

>> No.2725935

>>2725928
Long story short. You have successfully been trolled.

>> No.2725941

>>2725935

Either that or I'm just horse-cockin' around talking shit to a complete stranger because it's 4chan.

I'm fine with either possibility. I've surpassed giving a fuck.

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2725948

>>2725941
>horse-cockin' around
Freudian slip

>> No.2725958

>>2725948

Yeah, I guess. Wouldn't call it a "slip" so much as a figure of speech, but whatever works for you.

>> No.2725968

>>2725931
>jews
>>>/pol/

>> No.2725979

>>2725921
I don't think so, I cleared the closet next to it to make sure.

The weird thing is that the smudge was almost gone after a few power cycles and then came back after I left the TV on for a while and cycled through the channels.

Doesn't that mean it's a capacitor problem and not just magnetism?

>> No.2725998

>>2725891
Welp, just brought out an old CRT monitor I'd laying around to demagnetize the fucker and the cyan spot remains.

Guess that settles it, it's probably a capacitor.

>> No.2726010

>>2725638
Man, lay off that jelly.

>> No.2726051

>>2725979

It's a capacitor...Save yourself the trouble and just get another CRT.

>> No.2726096

>>2725639
I've just been sticking to jpeg for the moment, thought I do plan to go messing around with RAW at some point.

>>2725771
That's one thing I really haven't gotten a chance to mess around with yet.

The container has/had BNC connectors in it.

>> No.2726103

>>2726096

aw, i liked the little glass dish you had them in that one time.

>> No.2726116

>>2725647
Hey buddy, I hope it isnt too late but rather than buy a brand new cable get this adapter or something like it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scart-to-Audio-Extractor-for-Component-YUV-RGB-Video-Converter-CVS287-CSY-2100-/221190880604?hash=item338000fd5c

Its super convenient, so that if and when you have multiple scart consoles you can keep your audio outputs plugged in and just have to change your cable. If you ever get a scart splitter you'll never have to fumble with the audio out ever again.

>> No.2726139

saw a sony wega that had to be 32 or 34'' for $30. worth it?

if i get it how the fuck am i supposed to bring it up two flights of stairs by myself.

>> No.2726209

>>2726139
You can usually find these for free on craigslist because the owners don't want to pay movers to come get them.

>> No.2726220

How would I get the best quality out of a television that only accepts component?

>> No.2726242

>>2726220
Use component. It's worth noting that most TVs that look like they only do component can also do composite if you plug the yellow cable into the green port and set the TV to AV.

>> No.2726267

>>2726139
A 30 you may be able able to handle on your own if you are a bigger guy.

I'm 6'2 and do 27inchers on my own.

32 and up you'll likely need help with. Hire movers off of Craigslist. I got my 36 inch Trinitron for free but paid $100 for them to move it and place it in my house.

$100 for a big Trinitron vs $200+ for a PVM/bvm

>> No.2726271

>>2725706
>>2725714
lucky!

how much did you get it for?
it's the 'for parts' 14L5 right?

i lost a bid war on a D20F1U the other day... pretty bummed about it. max bid of US$405... i should have sniped it with a higher final bid...

i also emailed an ebay seller that has a D24 listed for 999 bones. offered 700 and i'd come pick it up....
surprisingly, i actually got a fast reply:
>The best we can do is $875

guess i'll stick with my 14m2 for now

>> No.2726286

just saw this newly listed PVM-20N6U

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121781391133
only 500 lines but has RGB (no component though)


$175 doesn't seem too bad, FREE SHIPPING!

>> No.2726296

>>2725767
Why wouldn't you just run the video into the PVM and the audio into a headphone amp from whatever console you're using?

>> No.2726304

>>2726286

honestly, that seems pretty good for a 20" model

if theres no way to get one locally, this wouldnt be too bad.

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>>2726103
That's sitting on my desk with old receipts and some other various junk in it.

>>2726286
That's a bit more than I'd want to pay for such a model, but if it's in good condition that's not terrible.

Would almost definitely shoot them a best offer first to see if they bite; Something in the range of $130-140 wouldn't be too outlandish.

>> No.2726309

>>2726271
$100 shipped, it is indeed the "for parts" one
but it got MESSED up from fedex, the backing wiggles around and theres a bunch of lose pieces rolling around in there.
I'm asking for a partial refund.

I am very impressed the test patterns looked as good as they did though.
bummer about losing the auction. I'm in the talk of asking a seller to ship a 20L5 to me, but I don't think I really should get it, as much as I love 480p, my rent is going up and if anything I have to let a monitor go.

>> No.2726350

Is there a sure fire way to completely dicharge a PVM/ crt so if I need to open it just to but some plastic push screws back in that incase I touch anything I dont die from AC? I really want to fix the back of a 14L5
>>2725014

>> No.2726361

>>2726350
There's absolutely no AC voltage in there if unplugged but there could be a high amount of DC in some huge capacitors which will just hurt but not kill you unless you having a pacemaker.
The potential charge in the tube is a different matter but all graphite on the back is connected to ground and the anode (thick wire with a suction cup end) is well isolated, also some anons said there's a bleeder resistor connected which absorbs this charge if turned off.

You better off checking the inside while you're at. Look out for damage, dry solder joints and swollen capacitors.

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>>2726361
I've heard claims that the M series discharges on power down, so it really wouldn't make any sense for its replacement, the L series not to have such a function.

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>>2726382

>>2725771
>macro scene mode completely locks you out of just about every manual adjustment
Now that's some straight up bull shit. I'm sure I'll find a use for it at some point, but I don't think I'm going to use it as my default shooting mode for close-ups.

>> No.2726393

>>2726382
I think I read somewhere that i should have the power button pressed in, but unplugged. I'll leave it in that state for a day or two.

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2726424

>people are paying more than $50 for their PVMs now

What the fuck happened?

>> No.2726478

>>2726116
I already bought the cable but having a spare cable can never hurt, I'll pick this up as well because I like it, thanks man.

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2726502

>>2726424
Demand went up as more people bought into the idea, sellers got wise?

Honestly, the only PVM/BVM I'm actively interested in picking up and willing to put out a decent chunk of cash for at this point is something Multi-Format. It'd be a mostly perfect middle ground between the syncing abilities of the Megaview, but the size and compatibility of a PVM.

>> No.2726531

is the display cable between BVMs and their Control/Remote just a standard db-9?

>> No.2726573

This is probably getting annoying but it's >>2725891 again.

I moved the TV to the center of the room and turned it vertically (it was set horizontally before) and the spot disappeared. Then I slowly turned it horizontally again and, as I was turning it, the spot came back.

What exactly is going on here?

>> No.2726582

>>2726573
I would say you need to adjust the purity rings at the yoke.
Then it could be possible that you need to adjust the convergence rings and geometry (picture center) as well.

>> No.2726604

>>2726573
leave it off and unplugged for a long period like overnight, making sure there's no source of magnetism near

>> No.2726640

>>2726424
Bandwagon jumpers. I love the sellers trying to sell non-rgb PVMs for $200+.

>> No.2726658

I had some questions about a PVM with a probable HV arc or some kinda arc a while back. Tube clicks every now and then and clicks a few times on shut down when the tube is doing it's staticy sound thing.

I opened it up the other day and the inside was extremely clean, no dust to speak of. The caps looked good, one looked like it might have had the smallest of bulges in the top (top was 3 piece and the reflection was a bit warped, but top was not noticeably raised), but otherwise the whole set looked fine. So my questions are:

>Can the arc somehow be caused by a bad cap? The one in question is one of the larger caps in the unit, and is almost directly under the neck.
>If the arc isn't visible in a dim room and is not somehow being caused by a bad component, does this mean it's inside the tube somewhere? If so, how big of an issue would this be for the life of the set?

>> No.2726662

>>2726582
Those components, can they tell where the TV is facing? Because the spot moves according to where the screen is facing, it only disappears when the TV is facing south I think.

It's not like I'm moving the TV itself either, I'm moving the table where it's sitting.

>>2726604
Already tried that for two days in a row. Will try again with the TV facing south.

>> No.2726668

>>2726662
Yes, the direction it is facing can affect purity. The Earth's magnetic field can affect CRTs quite heavily.

I should probably try adjusting the purity rings on the 14M2MDU to see if I can get rid of its discoloration; It's been open long enough at this point.

>> No.2726670

>>2725642
That's pretty nice.

Now go play GX.

>> No.2726683

>>2726668
I see. Could it be caused by a faulty component, though? Is it harmful to the CRT, can I just ignore it?

If I get another one, same model, will the same thing happen?

>> No.2726685

>>2726662
Yes. Your purity settings are off.
>Those components, can they tell where the TV is facing?
Nah, they rather correct or steer the electron beams. They can be adjusted in a way that you shouldn't get discoloration in any direction. What could happened over the time is that rough handling might rotated them or the factory worker did a bad job.
>it only disappears when the TV is facing south I think.
This means it's completely wrong.
A CRT must be facing either east or west to reduce effects of the earthmagnet field to the minimum and this is also the direction that must be used for convergence and purity adjustments.


>>2726668
>Yes, the direction it is facing can affect purity.
If the purity has been properly set then the direction will not have any visible effect.

>> No.2726696

>>2726685
>then the direction will not have any visible effect.
For that given direction; Changing the orientation can/will require that purity be readjusted for the new position; Or at least that's what I've encountered with my Megaview.
That could be due to its massive size and age, however.

>> No.2726698

free PVM-14M2U in NYC if anyone else is out here. a bit too far for me to grab it and not use it.

>> No.2726729

>>2726685
>>2726696
Is it harmful to the CRT, though? Can I just ignore it?

>> No.2726745

>>2726696
One of my early convergence attempts on a 24" Trinitron caused that the purity was off. I always had a red blotch on a blue screen in the top left corner.
Afterwards I learned how these 2 purity rings worked.
At first I rotated one of them to be around 5° apart from the other, then I rotated both of them to the left till discoloration appeared and remembered the position then I did the same to the right.
Now that I placed them in the middle of these two positions and with this setting the purity was always correct in any direction.
Discoloration appeared only if I rotated the set while it was running which can be fixed with degaussing.
Not even the huge speakers right next to it affects the purity unless I move them away during runtime but degaussing fixes that too, the speakers only seem to affect the geometry a little bit.

Maybe you should try it this way.
And in general it's a good idea to degauss a CRT if the set has been rotated.

>>2726729
Not at all, it's just annoying to look at.

>> No.2726896

GOOD NEWS!

I got a working 4350 in today (first one got in on monday and was bad, ebay d00d sent me a new one no questions asked), and what do you know, everything works now! You can set a res as low as you'd like in arcadeOSD and it'll sync, although 160x160 was pretty small. 240x240 and up all syncs fine, whereas before anything below 352 vertical or so would fuck up. That translates to a dot clock of 7 or so, if I'm not mistaken. Not only that, but I can now use 480i through RGB instead of just s-video, which is great because the s-video output on this card is pretty shitty compared to the old one.

So basically, if you want to use a PC to drive a 15khz CRT, be picky about your graphics card. A 4350 (or possibly faster 4000 series cards) are your best bet for compatibility and relative speed. Internet says the 3450 also works well, plus a bunch of older models. I can say for sure that the 2400XT (see: the small half height DSM59 card) will NOT work properly. Don't buy one of those.

The bad news is I still can't get switchres to work in windows and now madVR is all fucked up and playing videos at half frame rate now, so I've gotta go back and fix everything. I'll edit what I've written and get the completed "hooking a PC up to old shit" guide done sometime this weekend.

>> No.2726897
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2726897

>My CRT is making a high pitched noise. Is my CRT going to explode?
>The picture on my crt is a few millimeters to the left. Should I ask for a refund?
>The color in one of the corners is weird. DO I need to replace the flux capacitor?

All these kids seeing their first CRTs

>> No.2726901

>>2726896
Are you able to use a different card for graphics processing? Or are you stuck with the 4350 doing all the work?

>> No.2726903

>>2726901
I use a whole separate computer for it. Basically, the drivers for low res output fuck shit up, so you're much better off with a whole rig just to contain that shit.

So yes, the 4350 runs everything. I can't think of a retro emulator that would tax it, everything is CPU based.

>> No.2726917

>>2726896
>Internet says the 3450 also works well
Yes it does but the low pixel clock under 11mhz tend to be a little jittery and 7.14mhz is the limit.
The non-interlaced modes I made have 512 and 640 pixels and are as wide as the active video of the SNES/NES, less pixels doesn't really work at all and that's why the game must support to be stretched against the aspect ratio (320x240 scaled to 640x240 for example).

>> No.2726937

>>2726896
Put some anime on that CRT for me whenever you get madvr back.

>> No.2726946

>>2726917
Interesting. I haven't done any console testing with my setup yet, I'll probably have to try that this weekend. Maybe I'll cheat and try to get that shit working in groovyarcade rather than bothering to set it up in windows.

>>2726937
I can try, but my camera is utter shit so I can't get any hot shots of it.

I'll post a guide for you and you can enjoy it on your own sets.

>> No.2726952

test

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>>2726897
>people becoming interested in the topic of a general and asking questions

>> No.2727000

>>2726965
>never owned a CRT
>not being underage

Pick one.

>> No.2727012

>>2726946
>camera sucks
Yall need to get a little DSLR jesus injection.

>> No.2727024

>>2727000
I had a bunch around the house growing up. I never thought about how they worked, what made one better than another, or how to troubleshoot them until I saw this general.

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>>2726531
bump

>> No.2727127

>>2727012
Fund it.

I did some more fucking around since I couldn't help myself. madVR works fine as long as it's not in exclusive mode. So there is tearing sometimes, but otherwise it works fine.

Holy fuck it looks good.

Like hot damn.

I'm watching a recent ep of GCCX and shit's just like, damn.

>> No.2727259

Any one know if a PVM 14m2u power cord/cable would work on a PVM 20m2u as well?

>> No.2727261
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2727261

I want to make a 4x4 grid of 9" PVMs for Double Dash and F-ZERO

>> No.2727269

>>2727259

It's just a normal computer/whatever powercord. You probably have 15 in your house.

>> No.2727291

>>2727269

this

out of the 4 PVMs I've purchased, only one came with a power adapter.

>> No.2727378

>>2727261
Jesus that's sexy.

>> No.2727410
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2727410

http://buffalo.craigslist.org/clt/5185330162.html

Just how ballin in this sign? Somebody get it.

>> No.2727416

>>2726897
I hate to be that guy but I'm seeing white shadows next to text. I'm assuming they're everywhere but only noticeable on text.

The geometry is also slightly messed up, but the weird thing is that when the screen is fading (like when a game fades to black) it looks normal for a second before distorting again as the picture comes back.

Is this fixable through the service mode or is it a hardware fault?

>> No.2727462

>>2725813
Anybody got an answer to my questions? Also, what kind of speakers do I need to get and what do I need to connect them if I want to use external speakers?

>> No.2727496

>>2727462
>My monitor starts ringing if I leave it on.
Literally every CRT ever without exception.

>> No.2727498

>>2727496

Weird...I've owned a lot of CRTs in my time, and I've never had one that rang like this one does.

>> No.2727540

>>2727462
What kind of inputs are you using? Regular old computer speakers work fine if you get an RCA to 3.5 Y adapter thing.

>> No.2727546

>>2727540

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-3-5MM-Stereo-Female-To-2-RCA-Male-Jack-Audio-Cable-Y-Adapter-Buy2-Get-1-Free-/400558024823?hash=item5d431e6877

This?

>> No.2727567

>>2727546

I just realized that this isn't quite right because I need to plug the RCA jacks from the console's cable into it...But I can't find the right thing to do that.

>> No.2727592

>>2727567
You never answered the original question. What kind of inputs are you using.

How are you getting your scart into your monitor?

If you are going scart to component then I refer you back to this. >>2726116

Once you get that, then take the white and the red from this cord >>2727546

Then plug your computer speakers or headphones into the 3.5 jack.

PRO TIP: Get computer speakers with an external volume control so you can actually adjust your volume because your sound will be low and uncontrollable without it.

>> No.2727640
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2727640

>>2727592

RCA...I'm not using scart.

>> No.2727647

>>2727127
CRTs can handle black levels and banding a lot better than LCDs, so even 8bit animu should look great. Blu-reis of old 4:3 anime should be impressive.

>> No.2727658

>>2727410
Sent an email, hope they are willing to ship.

>> No.2727665

>>2727640
OK then if you are using RCA then you need to find a FEMALE rca to 3.5 Y splitter adapter thing.

If you are in a rush/wanna play for the weekend you can also find this at your local radioshack if there is one around.

I did this by getting a female rca to male 3.5 adapter/splitter and a female to female 3.5 coupler and it worked fine.

>> No.2727675

>>2727261
don't pvm monitors stack already? or do they need a rack of some sort?

>> No.2727680

>>2727675
There's no dimples for the CRT feet to stick into, if that's what you're asking. Yes, PVMs/BVMs can easily handle the weight of one or two monitors on top of them, but I wouldn't recommend it. Buy a standard 19-inch rack and the proper mounting equipment and do it right. Whoever set up the array in that photo above is using what appears to be normal shelving, which is not something I would trust with a couple hundred dollars worth of equipment.

>> No.2727715

>>2727647
I know, but this is a huge improvement even from svid on the same monitor.

Watch macross plus on one of these things. That show is a really damn good test for how well your video playback is set up. The shading in that show works absurdly well with CRTs and the weird ass flickery bits in ep 2 will show you if you have any tearing issues.

>>2727416
This happens on my PVMs, it just depends on the kind of picture being displayed. Normal desktops look like utter shit because of the black on bright white text and thin boarders, which make everything flicker from the interlacing. I can't say I've noticed any text issues in games or videos.

There is some shadowing on the same rows of bright color sources, but again that's pretty much just a desktop/pc output issue. Like, if your cursor is on a dark video it'll leave a faint band on the rows the cursor is on. I'm not quite sure what causes it but it's not really an issue for me.

>>2727675
>>2727680
I get interference issues when I've got multiple PVMs running in close proximity. Not just shit when they degauss, but slow or fast moving waves across the screen depending on the resolution/refresh rate being used. Either you have to leave a gap between each one to do this properly, or you need them on somewhat isolated power circuits. Or you need the studio versions instead of the medical, I'm not sure.

>> No.2727758

>>2727462
>>2727665
I'm using one of these with my PVM:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5mm-Stereo-Female-To-2-RCA-Female-Jack-Audio-Adapter-Splitter-Cable-Cord-/321665019537?hash=item4ae4baae91
The audio from the console plugs into the RCA jacks, and the 3.5 mm jack is hooked up to a pair of Logitech Z150 PC speakers.

The pros are that it's cheap (this is a $25 setup), easy to put together, and sounds decent.

The downside is that there's no volume control for the headphone jack on the speakers, so if you use headphones you're stuck with whatever the game's default audio level is. Most newer games allow you to control in-game audio through whatever menu, but this is uncommon on retro titles.

>> No.2727849

>>2727416
Sounds like signal reflection, maybe. Cheap cables? Incorrect termination?

>> No.2728010

>>2727758
>Logitech Z150

Thats weird. Every set of computer speakers that had a headphone jack and an external volume control would also control volume on my headphones.

>> No.2728035

>>2727261
Holy shit dude. This is awesome and crazy at the same time.
Having 16 identical monitors and 16 the same console, damn.
Could you tell for what purpose other than the overall look?

>>2727675
Yes but these Commodore monitors have a plastic case which will not protect the CRT from being influenced by other CRTs.
Also it helps against that the heat buildup.

>>2727715
>slow or fast moving waves across the screen depending on the resolution/refresh rate being used
The magnetic field of the yoke is that strong that it finds it's way though metal cases to the other CRT.
With plastic as case it gets worse.

>> No.2728039

>>2728010
I'm betting the speakers were set up to handle stereo audio visual their RCA inputs as a home theater setup and bypass the internal volume control, since home theaters are probably sending that audio out from a receiver or TV with volume control.

My favorite speakers to use for retro gaming is Behringer (yes I know, shit brand) MS40s, with the built in digital/analog amp. Accepts optical and coax digital and regular analog stereo. Cheap and decent.

>> No.2728327

>>2728039
i did it.

BVM-D20F1U is on its way, with a BKM-41D installed.

it didn't come with the remote, so i grabbed one for 30 bucks. also got a BKM-21D for composite and extra rgb/component inputs.
i can't wait to share some sweet scanlines

i do have a question for anyone with a BVM,

it's coming with the 16:9 mask installed and does not include the 4:3 mask, i imagine it's purely aesthetic...
>does removing the 16:9 withOUT installing the 4:3 mask negatively affect the monitor?

>> No.2728328

>>2728327
didn't meant to quote


also, does anyone know if the control cable between the monitor and remote is just a standard db9?

>> No.2728332

>>2728327

WOOOO

nice job anon, I hope you enjoy it.

I've been wanting a 20" that does 480p, but with the monitors id have to sell and make up for, I'm not sure if its worth all the trouble. i should just try and be happy with my 14L5s and a 20L2

>> No.2728338

>>2728332
thanks!
>I've been wanting a 20" that does 480p
that's why i got it mostly. it'll replace the 27" trinitron i've had since i was 13 (15 years ago!) and then i can get rid of the 40" LCD i used for my dreamcast via vga.

i almost brought home my 14m2 to use as my main display, but it's so handy on my work bench. now i can leave it there permanently.


anyone convert their dreamcast vga signal to component for 480p pvm/bvms?

>> No.2728363

>>2728338
may i ask what kind of work youre doing to use a 14m2? video editing?

Theres a guy about 6 hours from who has 2, but I dont know if i can get it shipped for $300.
I'd have to sell one of my 14L5s and my 20L2 to maybe come up with that.
And if i asked him to hold it for me I'd feel kinda bad.

>> No.2728465

>>2728035

Not my pic (but wish it was!)

I thought it would be a cool "art piece" in the lobby of a valley startup or something. 16-player Double Dash on individual retro screens.

Actually I'm realizing now that I should set up individual 9" PVMs on each of my coworkers' desks. Hooked up to the LAN.

>> No.2728492

>>2728338
I've been meaning to do convert dreamcast VGA to 480p by way of an extron emotia but I don't know which dreamcast vga cable to get. I guess. I should get a Hanzo/Hanzo knockoff, but I don't need the scanlines generator...but then again, why not right? I can just leave it off.

Currently just using scart on dreamcast for PVM and it seems slightly underwhelming.

Current set up is:
Pvm to scart switcher
Scart switcher has genesis, snes, saturn, and extron plugged in.
Extron is going to component to vga adapter so I can get component consoles onto my PVM.

My component to vga adapter DOES have a vga in slot so I could probably put a dreamcast vga cable in there. But I think I would need sort out my audio situation

>> No.2728496

>>2728492
>convert dreamcast VGA to 480p
Dreamcast VGA is already 480p

>> No.2728519

>>2728363
>may i ask what kind of work youre doing to use a 14m2?
it's just to test the consoles i modify. i do av/svideo/rgb mods, i have a turbografx-16 for sale in the b/s/t right now, actually.
i got mine for 50 locally. i wouldn't pay more than 100 for it, since it's only a 14" at 600 lines

can i combine H and V sync from VGA and input it into the analog rgbs inputs on my d20f1u? or is the built in analog video input slot 240p/480i only?

kya, i think you spelled it out for me before, but what do i need to display dreamcast 480p on my bvm-d20f1u?

>> No.2728521
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2728521

>>2727261
holy fuck this is epic.

>> No.2728524

>>2728496
Sorry my apologies. I need some sort of converter/adapter. I've got a PVM 2530 so it only takes scart inputs. Everything I get onto the monitor has to in some way shape or form be converted/adapted down to a scart output

I would be downscaling my 480p Dreamcast into a forced 240p to get in onto my PVM. I do the same with all of my modern gen systems.

>> No.2728529

Wow, it appears that the "devolution" Wii/GC hack now supports emulation of the GameCube Broadband Adapter (BBA) via the Wii Hardware. That makes Mario Kart Double Dash LAN parties (and the multi-CRT idea above) 100% easier to set up.

>> No.2728530

>>2728524
...but dreamcast outputs 240p...

>> No.2728538

>>2728524
>downscaling my 480p Dreamcast into a forced 240p
you can do that with an extron emotia

>>2728530
ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
dreamcast outputs, mainly, 480i unless vga is used. yes, SOME GAMES are 240p but the majority are 480i

>> No.2728550

>>2728538
>you can do (downscaling 480p Dreamcast into 240p) with an extron emotia

I know. That is the plan, I just need a quality Dreamcast VGA cable. I've already got an Emotia. It does a GREAT job with my WiiU on my PVM. Taking suggestions if anyone feels like throwing links my way.

I know VGA is the best video output on DC, its just a matter of the hoops I need to jump through to get it onto my PVM.

>> No.2728570

>>2728538
>>2728530
>>2728524

Just to note here, a VGA cable puts out basically the same signal as RGB does, so like RGB it'll push whatever res you happen to throw down the sync tubes.

>> No.2728574

>>2728570
So is it even worth it to try to go beyond Scart for Dreamcast on a PVM?

According to RetroRGB.com (I know it doesn't have the best reputation around here...but): There's one more thing to mention about using a VGA output, instead of RGB: If you run the 480p VGA signal through an Extron Emotia, you can force a 240p mode. I've tested this method and in my opinion (when using a display that doesn't support 480p), a "forced 240p mode" looks better than 480i.
(Source: http://retrorgb.com/dreamcast.html))

>> No.2728637

>>2728550
http://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?t=1870

You can mod the VGA box to do 15khz if you don't want to use the extron.

>> No.2728653

>>2728570
this. I dont know what all this is about...

>> No.2728657

>>2728637
Nah its cool. The extron is a permanent staple because I went full retard and got component cables for my GC a few years back (geez, and I used to thing $100 for the cables was pricey).

The extron is the only way (I think) I can get my gamecube on my PVM. Its worked pretty well.

>> No.2728680

>>2728657
Your PVM doesn't take component? I think you can mod the GC cable to do RGB

>> No.2728703

>>2728680
No it doesnt, it is the 2530.

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>>2727261
small time baby

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>>2728706

>> No.2728712
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2728712

>>2728708

>> No.2728758

>>2728519
>can i combine H and V sync from VGA and input it into the analog rgbs inputs on my d20f1u? or is the built in analog video input slot 240p/480i only?
>kya, i think you spelled it out for me before, but what do i need to display dreamcast 480p on my bvm-d20f1u?
It should just see sync as sync, so all that should be necessary is combining the sync and piping it to the monitor.
A simple $10 Extron RGB Interface should take care of that easily if you're looking for something to just buy.

>>2728680
>I think you can mod the GC cable to do RGB
I need to figure out how to properly do that with a switch to go back to Component when needed/wanted. Would be nice to be able to use it with the Megaview and standard PC monitors.

>> No.2728763

>>2728758

PAL GameCube outputs RGB. Can mod PAL GameCube to run NTSC games.

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2728791

http://www.vulture.com/2013/01/how-booths-torture-booth-got-made-on-girls.html

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2728805

>>2728763
I'm aware, but I already have the Component cable and can get 480i RGBS and 480p RGBHV from that to use with the Megaview and/or PC monitors for the latter.
http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:gamecube_rgb

Just enabling RGB for 480i requires a lifted pin and resistor, paired with any standard Nintendo av cable; 480p requires 2 wires for Horizontal and vertical sync. Having them terminated in BNC connectors would be optimal, but RCA would be more aestetcially pleasing, I feel.
What I'd like to do is install a switch that goes between having the pin connected to its standard position and the resistor.

It's the D-Terminal version, so completely replacing the cable wouldn't be too bad, but I'd like to keep it as standard as possible in that regard.

>> No.2728809

>>2728712
"I call this the cancer tower"

>> No.2728834

>>2728805
Werent Gamecubes HD ready?

>> No.2728845

>>2728834
Gamecube is only capable of 480p output, but it can only do 480i with a component cable that requires a chip inside the cable to work. Without this, output is limited to svideo and composite, neither of which can go beyond 480i.

So, no.

>> No.2729239

>>2728791
Thanks for reminding me I'm not eating Allison Williams' Ass

>> No.2729260

>>2728845
GCN can do 480p via the Component cable, but only on NTSC consoles.

PAL doesn't get a 480p mode period, it's PAL60 instead.

>> No.2729584

>>2728805
I got one of those D-Terminal ones for a good price. Was planning on just making an RGB SCART cable out of it and a spare AV cable.

>> No.2729951

Most likely getting a Sony PVM-14m2u today.
What do I need in order to hook it up to my wii. Also have an nes that would be nice to hook up. Please let me know so I can start placing orders. Have component cables for wii

>> No.2729952

>>2729951
Wii component cable and BNC>RGA adapters

>> No.2729957

>>2729952
So just bnc-rga adapters.

>> No.2729959

>>2729957
Yup. You want the ones with the little twisty bit on the BNC end. Male BNC.

>> No.2729965

>>2729959
Links?

>> No.2729969

>>2729951
Fuck.
So the pvm-14m2u is gone but I still have the chance to get a
Trinitron pvm-8220, should get? Is it still a good monitor for melee and retro gaming

>> No.2729983

>>2729969
8inches, only 250 lines

>> No.2729986

>>2729969
>melee
It's like this is a fucking meme or something.
Hold out for a 13"+ set.

>> No.2729992

>>2729983
>>2729983
Don't care about the size 8 or 13 inches isn't bad. Im assuming 250 likes is bad and makes for a shittier picture

>> No.2730008

>>2729992
Sub 13" sets have lower line counts on the tube, which means a less sharp image. You want a 13" or larger tube with a 600 line tube or higher.

And 8" sets are fucking small.

>> No.2730012
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2730012

Don't you wish your telly was kawaii like mine?

>> No.2730021

>>2730012
I wish I had a famicon like you

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2730059

>>2729584
I paid $70 for mine, and 20 or so for the 3RCA adapter, which considering what they're going for now, wasn't half bad.

>>2729957
>>2729952
>RGA
RCA

>>2730012
I need to stop being such a butt and order an NES controller already; I'd like to be able to take some shot of actual NES games once in a while.

>> No.2730071

>>2729969

Yes. The small ones are cool as a secondary/test set. Pick it up, get a big one later

>> No.2730072

>>2730012
are these worth a lot because they're disney stuff ?

>> No.2730094

>>2730072
I dunno, never bothered to look since it's still just a CRT. I got it free from a thrift shop.

Not even an amazing picture, I use it because it's small so it's easier to move around than my main CRT.

>> No.2730172

>>2730071
I like your thinking

>> No.2730180

>>2730059
>Didn't even notice I typed RGA
Welp

>> No.2730181

>>2730071
He needs to at least get a 450 line.

>> No.2730206

>>2730181
I need to?

>> No.2730209

>>2730206
IMO no point of paying for a PVM if you are gonna get a 250 line. Better off finding some consumer FD on craigslist or some shit.

>> No.2730219

>>2730071
>>2730181
>>2730206
>>2730209
Simplification: the tiny 5 and 8 inch PVMs can have low line counts. While retro games will still look impressive on them, they're basically made to be test and portable color balance monitors, not mastering sets.

>> No.2730223

>>2730219
There's a tidbit on line count in the pastebin, right?

>> No.2730290

>>2730209
>>2730219
B-but it's free. And it comes with a carrying case

>> No.2730302

>>2730290
not the other guys but
oh shit, jump on it

as small as it is its not gonna be inconvenient and you get a case.

>> No.2730313
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>>2730223
No
I should really try to fix it up before it turns a year old.

>>2730290
If it's free, I'd pick it up; Low line count be damned, it'll still look nice.

>> No.2730316

>>2730302
>>2730313
I do have a standard 20inch Sony trinitron. Not pvm though

>> No.2730340

>>2730290
Go pick it up. That guy didnt respond to my email which I sent 2 days ago even though it was well fleshed out, offered to pick it up at his convenience, promised I wasnt a reseller and included my phone number and response email address.

I honestly believe it is because I have an NJ phone number.

>> No.2730345

>>2730340
That's actually hilarious. I'm pissed I missed out on the 14m2u

>> No.2730352

>missed out on a $100 NEC XP37 xtra monitor some time ago
>because somebody sent them money from out of state by fedex the day I was to pick it up
>still too traumatized to look at CRTs on craigslist again

There can only be disappointment waiting for me

>> No.2730374

>>2730345
I was in a rush since I knew that this exact monitor had been talked about both on here and on GAF. I didn't include an email read notification. I like to do that to verify how pissed I can be at the seller. If he didnt see/read my email I dont feel so bad. But the least they can do is say, "sorry its gone" so that I can just move on.

>> No.2730381

>>2730374
>this exact monitor had been talked about
What do you mean by this?
Also the guys a fag says I can't pick it up until Monday.

>> No.2730417

>>2730381
Someone linked to this specific craigslist 14m4U in one of the other CRT threads here on /vr/. Then someone mentioned the exact same craigslist 14m4U (same ad, same town, same monitor) on neoGAF's CRT/Scanline thread

>> No.2730429

>>2730417
You want it? He pushed it off till Monday and I don't want to pick it up then but don't have the heart to tell him it's off after I've been fucking with him all morning. He's going to leave it at the front desk and asked me for a name. pick it up after 11.

>> No.2730432

>>2730417
>neoGAF knows about our CeekRT
RIP

>> No.2730443

>>2730429
Sure, my throwaway email is quiethumor at gmail

Shoot me the information.

>> No.2730471

>>2730443
Done. I need a response from you and then it'll be set

>> No.2730474

>>2730471
Just emailed you back. I thought it was the 14 incher that was up for grabs. 8 is too small for me to make the trip. Thanks for being a cool guy though.

>> No.2730490

>>2730474
Fawk

>> No.2730780

>>2730290

Get it, esp. If it comes with a PortaBrace.

Always wanted to build/sell a 8" + bag to the Melee people. Put a Wii in the pocket. Plug 1 cord in and you have portable Smash.

>> No.2730784

http://pastebin.com/gmWV7WtT

I wrote some words about hooking up your crt to a computer.

Suggestions needed, and idk about console emulators. That might work in groovyarcade but I haven't bothered with that yet.

>> No.2730793

>>2730784

Would be cool to have a dedicated machine for SCUMM VM + PVM. Hardware suggestions?

>> No.2730797

>>2730793
Anything with a PCIe slot and a 4350 would work. If you wanted to build something new, a 1155 ITX rig can be built for around $200.

>> No.2730806

Also, I'm not 100% sure what arcade OSD does if you don't run video modeline maker (which requires a mame install). I don't want to start a whole fresh install to find out.

Volunteers needed.

>> No.2730874

>>2730784
It's DMS-59

>> No.2730875

>>2730874
Fuck.

>> No.2730909

So how do you nigs find CRTs that are actually working?

Pretty much every CRT I've run it around here has collapsed vertical or horizontal hold.

>> No.2731172
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2731172

So I got pic related
But I cant, just cant, to make it display fullscreen on 320x240 in all emulators but snes9x
how do I do it?

>> No.2731182

Just picked up a PVM 14M4U and an unknown 13/14 inch monitor that looks almost identical and goes by the name "Acula" for $60 bucks.

But I'm too busy with homework to clean up and test it out.

>> No.2731320

>>2731182
Where'd get this pvm 14m4u anon

>> No.2731414

On my craigslist I found someone selling a PVM 8024Q for $100 CAD, is this a good deal or should I try to go lower? It comes with 2 BNC adapters if that makes a difference.

>> No.2731479

>>2731320
Craigslist in PA

>> No.2731671

>>2731414
>paying more than $20 for an 8" PVM

>> No.2731694

>>2731172
http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i_Emulation

>> No.2731778

>>2731414
It's not an 8024 it's an 8042, and >>2731671
is wrong - it's not worth more than $10 as they're a 250TVL unit. The 8045's have the 450TVL tube and look much clearer. You might pay $50 for one of those if it's in excellent condition.

>> No.2731781

Hi /crt/ i'm having a problem with my PC CRT, a Viewmaster-badged 20" KFC2011.

The brightness setting now does nothing. If i'm in a game, and raise the gamma, it gives a whiter, brighter burst for a fraction of a second, but then goes back to dim. If only a small part of the screen is white/bright, and the rest dark, that part comes up nice and bright. But the more of the screen is white, the dimmer that white gets. It's like the overall amount of light coming from the screen is limited.

I have no idea if this is fixable, but i'd be happy to open up the unit and recap it, if that's what's wrong...?

(If I could just get a fricking Trinitron or similar down here things would be simpler still)

>> No.2731786

>>2730784
The Radeon 3000 series has a dot clock min of 8, so recommending the HD 3450 is kinda cruel. There's some comments about that limitation, in general, anyway, further up the thread. GroovyMAME will still be ok using super resolutions, but getting real 240p out is not possible.

>> No.2731930

>>2731781
Where are you that you can't find a silver boxed trinitron?

>> No.2731953

>>2731786
>**I have only personally tested the 4350, one anon said the 3450 would not work properly. 3450s are <$10 but 4350s are <$15

Is there anywhere to find absolute data on minimum dot clocks? I know the 2000 series only goes to 7ish, so they are useless.

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What can I do if I have something like pic related and just emulators?

>> No.2731963

>>2731960
Get a wii.

>> No.2732203

>>2731694
RA crashes when I do that

>> No.2732449

Trinitron KV-27fs120. Comes with 16:9 enhanced mode but does anybody know if that feature can be turned off for it to display 4:3

>> No.2732461

>>2732449
It's a 4:3 screen.

>> No.2732560
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2732560

Here's my Trinitron, complete with window glare because I dont have any curtains at the moment. I will soon though.

I need some new S-video cables for my PS2 and Famicom though, the audio in those Retrobit cables is awful, so much buzzing.

>> No.2732596

>>2732449
All that means is it can detect is something is in 16:9 and letter box it.
Otherwise it'll display 4:3.

>> No.2732636

>>2732560

Nice furniture and speakers, they go really well with your TV.

>> No.2732658

>>2732560
Wow had no idea the nip version had such a weird name.

>> No.2732674

>>2732449
Sweet totally picking that up

>> No.2732795

>>2731671
>>2731778
The guy said the lowest he'll go is $85, guess I'll have to pass

>> No.2732985

>>2731930
There were PC Trinitrons with silver cases? I'm not really concerned with what colour the case is.

>>2731953
I can't believe you've written a guide and not even noticed the dot clock list...

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=65

>>2732795
Let it go. It'll teach the venal bastard a lesson, for one. More sets will appear, just keep at it. I live in Tasmania, with a total population under 500K and big shipping issues, and I have 5 BVM/PVMs and know about at least 7-8 more locally.

>> No.2733000

>>2732560
What's the inchage on that

>> No.2733009

>>2733000
Sorry, the what?

>> No.2733025

>>2733009

i think he means screen size lol

>> No.2733049

>>2733025
Yup

>> No.2733069

>>2733049
Oh alright, 32 inch. I kinda want to get another though. I'd love to get a RGB monitor, but if I find a black, curved screen consumer Trinitron with component input first, I'll be okay with that. I cant stand the Silver Wega ones.

The one I currently have now looks great, but the image is sort of tilted clockwise, so straight horizontal lines really show the flaw off it's annoying.

>> No.2733071

>>2732985
>http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=65
Ah, the whole 'scaling horizontally' thing threw me off. Basically, regardless of what you set your dot clock to, shit ain't gonna work. At least that's what I've found.

>> No.2733078

>>2733069
>cant stand the silver wega ones

...WAT? They are so solid and so perform well. Its like hating a Lexus.

>> No.2733085

>>2733078
BUT IT'S SILVER MAN, SO UGLY, LIKE A SILVER LEXUS. EW

I just love that 90s black.

>> No.2733115

>>2733078
I can sympathize with him on this. Silver stands out too much sometimes.
>>2733069
Model #?

>> No.2733120

>>2733085
That 90s black trinitron though is those sexy 90s BMWs though

Cant hate it at all. Now I want to do a TV to car comparison blog. Old cars and old tvs both have cult followings, but I doubt they have very much overlap.

>> No.2733157

>>2733078
the most common silver trini I find are always with that shitty FE2 chassis.
Curved black trinis is where it's at

>> No.2733162

>>2733115
kv-32s42

>>2733120
The communities seem to be similar. Alot of people I know who love old tech and CRTs, including myself, also love cars from the era they most like. I love Trinitrons and my fag ass Miata.

>> No.2733305

>>2733162
>Trinitron
>Miata

Are we brothers?

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>>2733305
>my TV

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>>2733315
>my car
same exact year...
the fan is from 78 tho...

>> No.2733320

Kinda off topic here, but is 240p Test Suite any good for calibrating LCD or Plasma screen TV's?

>> No.2733332

>>2733320
You'd be better off with a calibration DVD or just hooking it up to a PC(be it over HDMI or VGA) and going from there.
While it could technically work for colors and the like, it's more suited for things pushing considerably lower resolutions and color depth.

>> No.2733348

>>2733071
Yeah.... not quite sure what you mean. You're setting the dot clock directly in a modeline somewhere? I find it much easier using ArcadeOSD to adjust the screen, and then editing the VMMaker.ini and mame.ini (for groovyMAME's Switchres) from there. You're effectively adjusting the dot clock by adjusting the other parameters of the modeline, and having those utilities do the calculation for you if required.

The cards with higher minimum dot clocks won't go below ~8M dots per second, depending on the card. From a typical mode line calculation:

DotClock = H-res * V-lines * FPS
(H-Sync = V-lines * FPS)

Those are total lines/res, not active/visible. The total lines/res includes the blanking interval, within which is the sync pulse. For 240p (320*240 visible) you get something like:

~380 * ~290 * ~60 = ~6.6M dots per second

This is obviously well below the 8M dot clock min. Most such cards will go a little below 8M, but not that far below. DOUBLING any of those parameters, for example, obviously gets you a much larger dot clock min.

GroovyMAME (within which Switchres is contained) scales horizontally on the fly. This means you can set one, huge horizontal resolution and have everything scale to that. If you look at the second equation above, you'll note that because the scan rate, critical to CRTs, has nothing to do with the horizontal resolution, you can have huge horizontal resolutions limited only by the saturation-times of the transistors and the caps. At least in theory.

This huge horizontal resolution doesn't even need to be an integer multiple, and when combined with the way a CRT works, is so unnoticeable even to us CRT-fags that it's becoming the standard way to do things. Calamity calls these "super resolutions" for Win7, though WinXP works differently.

Other emulators besides MAME won't do this as easily, so for a low dot clock min card you'd probably be best working with integer multiples for the horizontal res and seeing what works.

>> No.2733349

>>2733315
>>2733317
Trinitron 1910 and an early/mid 90s Civic im guessing just from details?

Nice.

>> No.2733361

>>2733348
soz, H-Sync = Scan Rate, if that wasn't clear.

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2733368

>>2733349
pvm 1944MD

>> No.2733375

>>2733368
Sorry. I was able to tell the size but not the exact model, I guess...I'm an ass, man.

>> No.2733426

>>2725530
>Monster
yep

>, hilariously
triggered

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>>2733426
I say hilariously because Monster is time and time again seen as over priced shit that can be matched by many cheaper alternatives; This is one of the causes where that's explicitly not true. While there are alternatives, they often aren't all that cheap themselves.

>> No.2733541

>>2733375
so many asses, so little time

>> No.2733558

>>2733439
Well anon asked for good cables, not the cheapest viable alternatives. Answering the way you did implied a typically negative quality connotation irrespective of price.

>> No.2733563

So I may have a stupid question.
I have a cocktail multicade cab I picked up about 10 years back from a friend who was moving. It was hardly ever played, and it's got what's basically a brand new Samsung CRT monitor inside.
Is there any way to repurpose the monitor for use with consoles? It's wired for JAMMA if that's any help.

>> No.2733587

>>2733563
The chassis (electronics that drive the tube proper) will be jamma standard, which is RGBS. This is the same RGB as older consoles put out. BUT, the sync line is often geared to handle 4V - 5V which is much higher than SCART RGB's sync level. You might need to level-shift the sync line, and I for one have no idea how to do that, if it's actually necessary. Careful not to electrocute yourself playing around the back of a CRT tube as well.

This also means you can plug a 15kHz-capable PC straight in though, without worrying about the sync levels because you just combine them.

Either way this will give you is a cheap, low TVL RGB monitor. TBH with the time and effort, though, get a SCART TV or a cheap PVM.

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2733854

>>2733317
Mine

>> No.2734169

>>2731786
>real 240p

Technically a superwide resolution like 3840x240 is the same as 320x240 in terms of horizontal scan rate. CRTs really don't care about the horizontal resolution as much as the OS and the emulators running on it.

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2734185

I found this ancient shit CRT monitor in my attic. Image quality is total garbage. Looks like beads with random green lines on it.

>> No.2734187

I've got an old Panasonic Tau TV from the early 2000s with a 4:3 aspect and 480i, with component, composite, and s-video. Anyone familiar with this model? Is it decent?

>> No.2734238

>>2734185
That looks like an LCD.

>> No.2734316

>>2734185
your first mistake was playing vanilla SOR3

>> No.2734457

gamecube component cables came in the mail today, later I'll run a test comparing it vs the wii in progressive scan on a 14L5 to see how much sharper it really is
it really doesnt look as sharp as the pictures comparing the two depict it and i regret buying them

>> No.2734458

So I acquired a pvm-8220 nice little 9 incher but it doesn't have the power cord.
What do? Got it for free so I'm not too upset

>> No.2734464

>>2734458
buy the power cord..?

>> No.2734472

>>2734458
reach behind your pc and pull the power cable out of it

now you've killed two birds with one stone

>> No.2734473

>>2734458

>>2727259
>>2727269

>> No.2734485

>>2734472
>>2734473
Yup found a cord in 2 minutes. Now I just need to get some connectors online

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2734495

too bad i suck at airdashers

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>>2734457
Gamecube

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2734515

>>2734513
wii

>> No.2734561

How do Ikegami CRTs compare to PVMs? on EBay ist seems that they're in fewer quantity but are cheaper, I also like how some look like microwave ovens.

>> No.2734574

>>2734457
The best use for the GC component cables is with the gameboy player.

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2734576

>>2734561
I don't notice any difference between them and other RGB monitors.

>> No.2734610

>>2734457
>>2734513
>>2734515

Progressive scan does matter IMO.

>> No.2734613

>>2734576
>mfw my MovieStop is missing one of the discs of this dvd set

:( Its so funny.

>> No.2734813 [DELETED] 

>>2726698
I don't know if I'd use it, but I'm close enough. Link?

>> No.2734850

>>2734561
Meant to be pretty good, yeah. Production guys i've talked to seem to rate them at least as highly as, if not above, the Sony's, surprisingly. Obviously it also depends on the model, phosphor grade and condition, etc.

>> No.2734853

>>2734513
>>2734515
I'd pick the GC shot as being the nicer one there, definitely.

>> No.2734893

>>2734850
>Production guys i've talked to

>> No.2734946

>>2734893
Three or four of them when hunting for PVMs and video amps and some other gear. Guys who were in the broadcast or production side of TV for 20 years or so. One in particular goes on about the Ikegamis :)

Was that what you wanted to know?

>> No.2734954

>>2734946
As a rule they LOVE talking about old, high-end gear. You can get them talking pretty easily, and learn a lot. Besides, it helps them remember friends who might be hoarding stuff too. I recommend it.

>> No.2735015

>>2734561
big difference between sony broadcast stuff and everything else is Aperture grill vs. shadow mask and that sony stuff doesnt have tubes that bow out at the sides.

>> No.2735031

>>2735015
Ikegami sold AG monitors too

>> No.2735072

Do light gun games on NES still work with PVMs?

>> No.2735127

>>2735072
yes

>> No.2735157

>>2735072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoWce_hC7A

>> No.2735247
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RGB modded N64 > Component

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>>2735247
On a 27" consumer Trinitron. You know, until the D20F1U shows up tomorrow.

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>>2735257
Pretty; Kinda looks like someone sneezed on your TV though.

https://youtu.be/eKzlcgyYFP4

>> No.2735286

>>2735278
Follies of having a two year old. He's getting good at Darius Twin :D

>> No.2735292

>>2735247
> Component
Relly? How are you doing that? Did you mean to type composite?

>> No.2735293

>>2735286
Might be a good idea to keep the BVM on the other side of the baby gate once it comes.

>> No.2735298

>>2735257
Did you break a glow stick on your screen?

>> No.2735316

>>2735292
Rgb to component
>>2735293
I have the skb case ready, with cover
r>>2735298
RAVE RAVE RAVE

>> No.2735369

>>2735316
Ahh RGB to Component on a Sony Trinitron aka babby's first RGB scanline porn.

I remember the days when I first got into RGB. With just my 27 inch Trini and my SNES.

Now I'm a hoarder and have got way too many rgb monitors/tvs.

And I'm still hunting on CL for more. I've got a problem

>> No.2735391

idort here.

picked up a pvm-1442QM, turned it on and testing and it only displaying sources in 16:9. There isn't any 4:3 switch or anything.

Will I have to crack the back and tune internally or is there another way?

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2735532

Check out my jury rigged genny1 to DB9 connector. I even hooked up the mono audio to a scrap RCA cable so I could use it in my master system too. It's a ugly beast that requires some finagling, but it looks so much better than my old solution of using the DB9 port I put on my 32X. Something about RGB from the 32x just looks washed out to me.

>> No.2735535

>>2735532
Congrats on the solution, but it looks like a fire hazard.

>> No.2735537
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2735537

Check out my jury rigged genny1 to DB9 connector. I even hooked up the mono audio to a scrap RCA cable so I could use it in my master system too. It's a ugly beast that requires some finagling, but it looks so much better than my old solution of using the DB9 port I put on my 32X. Something about RGB from the 32x just looks washed out to me.

>> No.2735860

I'm about to give up on finding a RGB monitor. Would a consumer trinitron with scart to component be pretty close to the same quality?

>> No.2735950

I don't have a crt and only have access to a couple lcds for my gaming setup

Do you think buying an upscaler to use with my n64 and ps2 is a decent alternative to keeping a more minimal setup

I just want to play ps1 and n64 titles and not have them look like ass

I saw that xrbg frame meister and that seems to be a good alternative

Thoughts?

>> No.2735969

>>2735860
Where are you located? It should be difficult, but not impossible to find one so long as you are willing pay some money, but not an arm and a leg.

>>2735950
X-rgb is a pretty good alternative. I don't have one but retro fans seem to really like them. Even guys who praise CRTs usually appreciate the xrgb for what it is able to do.

>> No.2736068

>>2735950
>>2735860
>>2735969

am I looking at frame meisters from the wrong spot? On erbay they're like $300+
thats almost what I paid for three of my PVMs

Even though the price is increasing, I guess if you really are unlucky I guess a consumer trinitron and or a frame mesiter with your TV would suffice

>> No.2736070

>>2736068
Nope. Framemeisters have ALWAYS been about that price. Even before the xrgb mini, their past products were around $250+

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>>2734576
tfw no azumanga dvds

>> No.2736505

>>2735950
As for PS2, it displays component and some games support progressive scan/widescreen (Not on PS1 though) so it won't look bad at all with the right cables. As for N64, it outputs shit without mods, so S-Video (If supported even) is the way to go unless you're willing to pay for an upscaler and/or modding.

>> No.2736596

>>2735969
Everytime I see one it's like 14 inches or something. I know I'll get alot of flak cause I'm picky, but I really want something larger, the XM29 seems the perfect size, but I know I'll never see one. Consumer grade trinitrons with component seem to be the best runner up.

>> No.2736607

>>2736596

Get a 14" PVM then daisy chain it to a big consumer Trinitron.

>> No.2736616

Where my RF niggas at??

>> No.2736621

Anybody know anything about video wall monitors?

>> No.2736795

>>2736616
I keep a 12-13" Magnavox with RF-only input around for comfy times. I rarely use it but it's fun when I do.

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>>2736795

Hell yes, ever since I was a kid I've only had an RF connection for my Genesis. It really does add a certain washed out grittiness feel to SoR2 that makes it more authentic.

>> No.2736846

>>2736816
>RF on Sor2
I would have understood with 3, but 2 gains the most with better video signals

>> No.2736872

>>2736596
Yeah, sorry but now that the internet knows about PVM your never finding them for cheap on ebay, and craigslist sellers now suffer from "i no wut i got".

Just saw someone trying to sell a 20M2MDU for $500 to on craigslist.

I've said this before, but in 3 years you wont be able to get a 27 inch trinitron for under a hundred

>> No.2736916 [DELETED] 

>>2736846

Yeah, I'm waiting for some RCA cables to come in the mail. I might do an S-Video mod if I can find a model 1 for dirt cheap, but I'm still waiting to see if that "HD retrovision" company will ever release their RGB -> Component cables because it looks great.

>> No.2736920

>>2736846

I'm waiting for some RCA cables to come in the mail. I might do an S-Video mod if I can find a model 1 for dirt cheap, but I'm still waiting to see if that "HD retrovision" company will ever release their RGB -> Component cables because it looks great.

>> No.2736989

Is there a list of good CRTs for retro gaming anywhere? I'm too lazy to research this shit.

>> No.2736994

>>2736989

Look for name brands like Sony,JVC,Hitachi,Sharp,Toshiba and Panasonic. Try to get something at least 19 inch or bigger.

that's pretty much it, now hit up the free section of your local CL.

>> No.2736998

>>2724909

That red carpet is disgusting. You only ever see it in old people houses.

Rip that shit out and get hardwood flooring, for god's sake, and then put a rug over it if you're really into sitting on the floor.

>> No.2737014

Adjusting dotcrawl is really fucking annoying

>> No.2737031

>>2736994
>Try to get something at least 19 inch or bigger.
Arbitrary size recommendations are one of those things about /crt/ that seem common yet pointless. Everyday people may not know brands or models as well as some enthusiasts might, but surely they can decide what size they want for themselves.

>> No.2737092

>>2737031
I'd add that people don't seem to realize that at 240p/480i, a larger, 20"+ screen can look significantly worse, whereas a nice 9" PVM can look fricking amazing.

>> No.2737097

I've always played on SDTVs that were 27" or larger my whole life. It looks "fricking amazing" when you buy a brand name TV and use S-Video cables.

>> No.2737139

suggest camera for filming crt. Not necessarly FHD (would be nice), but that film at 60p and that has full control when shooting AND filming.

>> No.2737204

>>2735247
N64 anti-aliasing filter makes RGB look like turds.

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>>2736998
It's more of an orange to be honest, and if I had the money to rip anything out and replace it with something decent, I wouldn't be living here.

Downsides to having a good camera: You can really see when your CRT could use a cleaning.

Finally got controllers for my NES, have some composite.

>> No.2737418

>>2736872
>Have mine up for $100
>People still lowballing me for <$50
Fucking craigslist.

>> No.2737742

>>2736872
Did you guys see that XM29 on Ebay not too long ago, with a starting bid of $3000? I wonder if it actually sold.

>> No.2737743

>>2737418
Because nobody wants to buy an old beat up, out of date, heavy, dirty CRT with geometry problems and who else knows what for more than 50 bucks.

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tfw you find out the 90s animu you were watching has a fighting game but its bad

this photo was like 10mb too i had to scale it down a fuckload

>> No.2738036

Where are some good shots of authentic arcade CRTs?

>> No.2738042

>>2736596

You can also mod consumer TVs for RGB if ur not a pleb

>> No.2738043

anyone know if theres a service that would repair crt screens? mine is all scratched up..

>> No.2738060

>>2738043

i think the only thing you can do about that is try and remove the anti glare cover but i think thats it

>> No.2738063

guy is giving away dusty old monitors for free,
was thinking of getting one but not sure which one.
i live in ireland good crts dont come around often since people just dump them.
here are the monitors, im not sure which ones are good so i decided to ask you
Philips 104s
Gateway EV700
VP 1570 OA
Dell E771p
Dell E773p
Iiyama Vision Master Pro 400

>> No.2738080

>>2738063
The Dell ones are usually much better than the generic name lets on. I regret letting mine go a few years ago.

>> No.2738085

>>2738080
that liyama one is a triniton or something, well thats what the add says atleast

>> No.2738130

>>2738063
>>2738085
The Iiyama does look to be the best looking of the bunch; The Philips and Gateway both seem to be older and lower end, the Dells are average/middle of the road sets; Not terrible but not fantastic. Can't seem to find anything on the Viewpoint, but the Iiyama has a decent horizontal refresh rate of 96khz, and a very respectable 160hz vertical limit.

I'd definitely pick it up; Would be nice to see how one of Mitsubishi's aperture grilles look.

>> No.2738137

>>2738130
>Would be nice to see how one of Mitsubishi's aperture grilles look
I used to own a ton of DTNFs before getting rid of all but one of them. They are incredible. My preferred monitor for years was that one Mitsu 19" despite owning several Trinitrons that cost more; nice OSD and a fascia that looked much better, with comparable PQ.

>> No.2738161

So I have a Sony pvm-8220 sweet little 9 inch thing. No component in/out. It's got video A/B/, exit sync? And tally? Can I hook up external speakers to this bitch or am I fucked

>> No.2738191

>>2738130
Hey Kya, I hear a lot of hype about the Mitsu Megaview "40. It is big but to my knowledge it only does S-video. What's so special about it?

>> No.2738194

What should comp level and NTSC setup be set to on my monitor? They're both set to 7.5 right now.

>> No.2738223

>>2738161
It's a composite video only monitor, no audio. They didn't start adding little speakers until later on, and even then it wasn't on all models.
It shouldn't be too difficult to find a cheap amp and some cheap speakers to go with it if you don't have anything just laying around.

>>2738191
If you mean the AM-4201r's Megaview version, it'd say it'd be it's massive size. Though I'm nearly positive it takes RGB and composite as well, since it supports PC level resolutions.

>>2738194
That is in reference to the black level of the monitor when using said inputs, with white being 100IRE. I believe the proper setting of that depends on what you're feeding the monitor, with the broadcast standard being 7.5 in the US, but I'm not entirely sure that game consoles (or Japan in general) follow that.

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>>2738063
what are you on about, there is loads of very cheap if not free pc monitors being thrown up on adverts.ie


very cool to see another irish anon in a crt thread though

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>this on craigslist

They're 27" monitors. Part of a video wall.

wat do

>> No.2738328

>>2738323
Whoa where at? Do they have rgb input?

>> No.2738331

>>2738328
>Do they have rgb input?
The manual says they do.

How do I even move all these if I get them? Fuck.

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>>2724909
would you guys like to cringe?
i really hated this specially after paying lots of money.. but eh guy was a damn potato for shipping it like a retard

>> No.2738343

>>2738331
Just get one or two or something and leave them for a few other people.

>> No.2738375

>>2738161
finally hooked up the 8220 got a rca to audio jack. But now I'm faced with a new problem; the picture skips going down the screen and also only shows in black and white

>> No.2738386

>>2738337
No cringing here, should have just got a quality CRT off of CL for free. People are always giving them away.

>> No.2738397

>>2738337
That one looks dickered to me.

>> No.2738437

Regarding the PVM20L5, I sometimes need to do geometry adjustments for width/height because GBP and sms render at odd resolutions unlike the other retro consoles.

The best I found was that underscan has its own geometry settings, so I've been able to just poke underscan when I want play gbp, and not underscan when doing everything else, but I feel it could be better.

Is there an option somewhere that I can put in geometry settings, name that setting and use it whenever I want it?

>> No.2738543

>>2738375
>the picture skips going down the screen
Are you saying it's rolling down? Try adjusting the vertical hold "V-Hold" knob. It could also be the Int/Ext Sync switch; For standard composite, you'd want Int.

>also only shows in black and white
Try adjusting the knob titled "Color" and make sure that the "Blue Only" switch isn't active.

>>2738337
Well shit. What model, and how did the tube fare? Hand holds make it look like something 14''.

>> No.2738678

>>2738223
Ahh, i see. I had found the wrong model number. The one I found was CS-40307.

I'm trying to try to stay happy with my 36fs120 Trinitron. But I know that the 36FV310 is out there..however I had to purposely ignore it because there was too much of a chance that it wouldnt work with light guns

:(

>> No.2738698

>>2738678
Ah, yeah. That's just one of their normal television sets; A massive television set, but still.

The 36FV310 shouldn't have any more problems with light guns than your FS120. They're both FD Trinitron tubes that only do SD.

>> No.2738762

do those wide broadcast monitor types have sound

>> No.2738806

>>2738762
If you mean the widescreen styled BVMs, no; BVMs don't have speakers at all.

>> No.2738908

>>2738543
Yea it's rolling, adjusted the V Hold to no avail. Switched the exit sync both on and off but it still keeps rolling.

I adjusted the color but nothing really changed although blue does come up if I hit blue only. Really mainly concerned about the screen rolling

>> No.2738985

Which would you choose, a Wii with component cables or a Wii with S-Video cables

>> No.2739015

>Live in Europe
>Hardly any Sony PVM/BVM monitors
>Those that exist won't survive the trip to my country

This is the one time I wish I lived in USA. Does anyone know of any commercially made CRTs that can display both 50Hz and 60Hz like the Sony PVM/BVM?

>> No.2739031

>>2738985

RF adapter or bust. nothing else is authentic.

>> No.2739032

>>2739015
almost all of them.

>> No.2739037

>>2739031
>RF adapter or bust. nothing else is authentic.

Where I live RGB cable is more authentic than RF.

>> No.2739050

>>2739015
>Live in Europe
>RGB capable consumer sets errywhere
dude stop complaining, we have it pretty good.

>> No.2739115

My sweet old CRT TV seems to have a fucked up SCART input. Like I get picture(although it's a bit wobbly) but no sound.

Is that shit fixable for someone with not so great tech skills?

>> No.2739135

>>2738806
Some of the 9" models do, like the BVM-D9H5A. I don't think any of the larger ones do.

>> No.2739271

>>2739032
Seriously? I thought that was limited to high-end studio CRTs.

>> No.2739272

>>2739115
>No sound

Is this nigga fo real?

>> No.2739280

hi fellas,

found an old CRT in the back room here and I want to set it up in my kitchen, I have a tablet with mini-HDMI out port and want to go from that to the tv

thinking of picking up this piece for it

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Composite-1080P-HDMI-to-RCA-Audio-Video-AV-CVBS-Adapter-Converter-For-HDTV/32319649880.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.11.sbBdod&ws_ab_test=201556_1,201527_4_71_72_73_74_75,0_0

will there be serious quality issues, should i get something different

thanks

>> No.2739314

>>2739272
W-What? Why is that so strange?

If I plug in my PS1 everything works fine except for the sound, and if I plug it into another TV the sound works, so I know it's not the actual cables or console.

>> No.2739314,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>2739115
Yes and no. If the internal speakers have failed, something is probably wrong with the audio circuit which could be anywhere between the actual speakers or the pins on the scart input.

What you can do is just run the audio external to the monitor with a SCART adapter that breaks out the audio into standard L/R audio jacks which you could run to the inputs on an A/V system.

>> No.2739413

>>2739280
I don't know if they work but I'm counting on it for when I finally get my trinitron. Opens so much possibility for the endless enjoyment of older movies and anime and tv as well

>> No.2739472

>>2739280
>>2739413

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmktB1u1r00

Seems like it should work. Any particular reason you are settling for composite instead of doing component?

>> No.2739475
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if I could get a 20L5 pvm for $300 shipped from 6 hours away, do you guys think it'd be worth it to attempt to sell a 20L2 and a 14L5 to make up the cost of owning one? if Jacksonville anon is still here with a spare one, how do you think a 20l5 would hold up going from Florida to California? that trip makes me super worried if I were to buy from you, should I spend the extra hypothetical $50 and get one from California?

>> No.2739492

>>2739475
shame that front end's going to get busted in shipping like the other anon's PVM...

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>>2739280
this is still a thread in a /VR/ board anon.

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>>2738328
>Do they have rgb input?
55 keks m80

>> No.2739520

>>2738908
Is I fucked?

>> No.2739520,1 [INTERNAL] 

Hello, an Anon with 2 BVMs here.

I recently had to part out an NEC XM29 I picked up as-is from a guy in Champaign, IL. It turned out to have shadow mask damage (tragically) and later on during a switch from composite to RGB input via remote, a component blew in one of the rear chassis boards which then caused the monitor to fail to generate a raster.

I wanted to know if anyone here needs any parts for an NEC XM29 since I'll be listing the boards on eBay once I've weighed them. I have no idea what they'd actually be worth since they're apparently rare even more so than the actual monitor.

I haven't diagnosed what component actually failed on which board (No obvious signs from what I've checked), though I suspect it'd be a capacitor or HV transistor on or near the high voltage board/transformer, since the monitor would still turn on with a solid black screen, regardless of input used. I may check them again once I find my probes for my meter.

On a side note, I'll post some pics of my 14F5U & D20F1U once the BNC/BNC Jumpers and controller for the latter unit arrives.

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>> No.2739593

>>2739495
> Neo Geo X Gold & Retron 5 are "Retro systems" that output HDMI only.
> Talking about converting HDMI to composite

I'll allow it.

>>2739498
What is wrong with this question? I can't tell from the photo what model monitors/TVs these are...they may or may not have RGB/component inputs of various types such as BNC, scart, VGA, or 25 pin computer input.

>> No.2739593,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>2739520,1
This is the ghost board, friend. Nobody here can see your posts.

Go to the top of the page and hit "original" to go to the thread.

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>>2738543
yup 14M4E.. it was working fine until a month ago.
the pvm displayed a horizontal line. as i was checking the sides and all, the line got bigger and bigger and then the tube sort of flashed and it smelled horrible.

and that is where i regret my decision to buy a crt.

should have went with that 300 dollar nippon upscaler.

>> No.2739705

>>2739271
almost every brand tv supports 50 and 60hz through SCART.
almost every tv from mid 90s and beyond will support 50 and 60hz and even probably composite NTSC.

>> No.2739792

>>2739314

It doesn't have a speaker...

>> No.2739807

>>2739671
I've never understood anyone trying to have such a sensitive piece that is so weighty shipped to them, especially from an iffy/non-retail source.

Personally, I only believe in picking up CRTs in person after you get a chance to plug em in and turn em on.

I could live with it if I somehow messed up the monitor in transport because i know I would have more than likely done what I could to prevent it.

But if it was working up until a month ago I'd suspect more than likely it could be repaired.

Check if you have any TV repair shops near you.

>> No.2739809

>>2739807
>Check if you have any TV repair shops near you.

I don't think there are any near anybody these days

>> No.2739814

>>2739792
That poster didn't post what type of CRT he has. If it is a normal consumer CRT it should have speaker, but there is also the possibility he is converting it and didnt account for needing to extract the audio sepearately.

>>2739314
What type of TV are you using, it could be that your TV doesn't have speakers or that the input you are using needs to have the audio extracted separately from the SCART.

>> No.2739820

>>2739809
The fuck?

If you live in or near a major city I guarantee there is one there.

Do you think that those idiots who threw their wii controllers into their flatscreen all either had warranties or just threw away their TV?

Honestly the only thing I would be concerned about is the TV repair shop only doing flatscreen LCD and not knowing how to do a CRT.

Just find a TV repair shop by some wrinkly old man who has been in the business for years. I bet he'd get a kick out of working on a CRT again.

>> No.2739841

>>2739671
Wait.
Let me get this straight.
You saw this kind of damage shown here: >>2738337
And just turned it on without thinking that there isn't any damage on the circuit boards?

>the pvm displayed a horizontal line.
No vertical deflection.
>the line got bigger and bigger
Continuing loss of focus voltage (around 7kV) and possibly other high voltages.
>and then the tube sort of flashed and it smelled horrible.
Sound like heavy damage in the high voltage circuits or/and a fried protection circuits.
This disaster could have been prevented by inspecting the internals before turning it on and the cracked plastic may could been glued.

This is the reason why I open any kind of used and old electronics I get, no matter of the overall condition to check for potential damage, inspect solder joints and components, clean contacts and measure builtin batteries.

>> No.2739846

To any Anons in the Denver CO, USA.

Check your CL 2 PVM14M2U went up a few hours ago for a pretty good price.

Sorry if I'm blowing up anyones spot but I'm on the East Coast so I dont give a FUCK.

>> No.2739881

>>2738242
that's actually where i found it, but i dont have a car so i try to shop locally in kilkenny.

>> No.2739886

>>2739472
Haven't really settled on anything, I'll get whatever my TV needs once I've managed to secure one

>> No.2739939

Hello, an Anon with 2 BVMs here.

I recently had to part out an NEC XM29 I picked up as-is from a guy in Champaign, IL. It turned out to have shadow mask damage (tragically) and later on during a switch from composite to RGB input via remote, a component blew in one of the rear chassis boards which then caused the monitor to fail to generate a raster.

I wanted to know if anyone here needs any parts for an NEC XM29 since I'll be listing the boards on eBay once I've weighed them. I have no idea what they'd actually be worth since they're apparently rare even more so than the actual monitor.

I haven't diagnosed what component actually failed on which board (No obvious signs from what I've checked), though I suspect it'd be a capacitor or HV transistor on or near the high voltage board/transformer, since the monitor would still turn on with a solid black screen, regardless of input used. I may check them again once I find my probes for my meter.

On a side note, I'll post some pics of my 14F5U & D20F1U once the BNC/BNC Jumpers and controller for the latter unit arrives.

>> No.2739940
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Are these good? It's a pretty good price and he says it's only lightly used despite not putting the model name anywhere.

>> No.2739948

>>2739940
Looks hot. How much he asking?

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>>2739948
AU$80

it even has a remote

>> No.2739983

>>2739940
What input types does it accept? Is that the only photo they provided besides the remote?

>> No.2739985

>>2739940
>>2739956
mmmm 1980s NEC

Is it stereo with actual stereo RCA inputs? Stereo TVs in the '80s tended to be pretty nice and higher-end, like early '90s TVs that had S-video.

>> No.2739987

>>2739983
>>2739985
I messaged them now about the model name and the condition of it

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>Pay $5 for a 20M4U
>Use it as a stand for my HDTV
>Realize I could sell it for $200+

Which one of you autismos wants a 20M4U for $200?

>> No.2739998

>>2739987
They claim it has no issues but they can only tell me the model name tonight so if someone recognises it before then that would be cool

>> No.2740002

>>2739997
I'll give you 30 bucks for it

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>>2740002
That is a profit, we're getting somewhere.

>> No.2740008

It is kind of ridiculous that people want to go out and spend good money on 9'' to 14'' monitors when quality CRTs are given away for free everyday on CL.

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>>2740008
Forgot I also got a 14" PVM downstairs with a dent in it

Selling to hipsters starting at $30! $30 cash only no gross hipster beard hair!

>> No.2740016

>>2739940
I've got no clue how good it is but that shit is so sexy regardless. I'd pay 50-100 depending on how much nostalgia I had.

I mean, look at that. Pair it with a PC engine or famicon and it'd be utterly perfect.

>>2739956
I'd offer $60.

>>2740002
>Some chump offered me 30 something bucks for my PVM
>Just sold it today for 90
Feels good man.

>>2740008
>9"
Donno why people pay any serious amount of money for these unless you absolutely need something portable. The low line count makes them very sub optimal.
>14"
These are fine as long as you sit near your set. I've got some 20" models and they take up so much desk space it's stupid.

>> No.2740017

>>2740008
>how dare they look for quality things instead of settling for less

>> No.2740125

>>2739939
>D20F1U
Did you get it on eBay last week?

>> No.2740235

>>2739997
50?

>> No.2740238

>>2740009
I'll slap down 30 for it as long as it works

>> No.2740349

>>2739997
>>2740002
>>2740009
>>2740235
>>2740238

Implying this asshole using this forced meme image, actually got a 20M4U for $5 and is going to sell it on here.

>> No.2740374

>>2740349
I did, and it is indeed my stand for my HDTV.

I'd totally sell it for a rip off price for like $200, I don't even use it. Its best purpose to me is raising my TV high enough over my desk on the other side of the room so I can play modern games.

>> No.2740424
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A Perfect Setup.

>> No.2740434

>>2740424
I appreciate the sense of minimalism in this.

>> No.2740436

>>2740374
Sure you do you, you special snowflake. You dont care about this desirable item that lots of people want be cause you are such an internet cool guy.

Muh 20 and 14 inch PVMs and they are shit I dont even care about em. I'd wipe my ass with em if I could but the scanlines are so inferior they wouldnt pick up muh dingleberries.

>> No.2740443

>>2740436
You're right, I don't care about ancient technology desirable to some obsessive sub-culture on the internet.

Hence why one is a stand and one is in storage.

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>>2740443

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>>2740450
;^)

>> No.2740463

>>2740456
I'll still sell it for $200 btw

>> No.2740479

>>2740456

Imagine having such a shitty/amateur flat screen setup.

>> No.2740480

>>2740479
Well for $200 I can get a better one, only stand I got that can handle a 20M4U

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>>2740125
Yeah, I'm that asshole sniper in case you were wondering.

Here's a photo of the XM29's mainboards. Still need to weigh these things.

>> No.2740558 [DELETED] 

>>2740547
This is what the XM29's display looked like before the unknown component in the back blew. The shadow mask damage seemingly caused the color spectrum to rotate almost 90 degrees. There was a crack on top so it probably got wrecked in transit to the previous owner.

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>>2740547
This is what the XM29's display looked like before the unknown component in the back blew. The shadow mask damage seemingly caused the color spectrum to rotate almost 90 degrees. There was a crack on top so it probably got wrecked in transit to the previous owner.

>> No.2740601

>>2740463
I'll still throw down 50 for that. And I'll throw in a smaller pvm that you could use horizontally as a stand

>> No.2740618

>>2740567
>Super Wario 64.jpg

>> No.2740657

>>2739940

What are it's inputs?
Also, man even if it aint that good personally I'd get it just for that sexyness. (not saying that you should though)

>> No.2740659

>>2740567

I sold a composite-only PVM with this same top-left green color issue to a CL anon a couple years ago, XFD. $30! Big money in these PVMs.

>> No.2740708

>>2739792
It does. Pretty much every CRT TV I've used has had a built in speaker. Thought that was the norm.

>>2739814
It's an old Finlux. When I used to use it as a proper TV I just plugged in my cable box with a SCART and got both sound and picture.
Would it be different for a PS1? I did the same exact procedure for one of my other old CRT TV's and that one worked with just plugging in the SCART.

>> No.2740753

>>2726573
has it been dropped? shadow mask could be warped

>> No.2740783

>>2739705
Well that's pretty fucking cool. Saves me the trouble of having to import a Sony BVM/PVM from USA/Japan and have it arrive in pieces.

What's the best consumer brand CRT? Sony? Bang & Olufsen? They're both readily available in my country.

>> No.2740837

It's kind of sad that the one thing that will probably go away forever are these screens. They're just to large and bulky and heavy and fragile and complicated and use up a fuckload of materials to produce. There will always be vinyl players and tape players and floppy drives and tube amps and whatever else coming out of asia, but not these.

>> No.2740839

>>2740837

They're still produced in Taiwan though, and Ikegami still sell multistandard CRT monitors.

>> No.2740847

>>2740839
Aren't the patents up on all the tech that made trinitron so good? If there's a business venture in there it would be one hell of a tricky one to figure out

>> No.2740856
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>>2740847
Sony's patent on the Trinitron ran out in the mid 90s, thus why many Aperture Grille based ****-trons started coming out from other manufacturers.

>>2740839
>Ikegami
True, but I'm pretty sure those are just using NOS tubes they have stashed away.

>> No.2740860

>>2740856
If any billionaires are reading this please produce a line of high quality monitors called NEOTRON that accept HDMI. Then market them to hipsters or something.

>> No.2740903
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>>2740659
This shows a better examples of what was going on. Since the crack was on the mid top-left of the outer chassis (and later I found several pieces of broken plastic during disassembly all throughout the inner chassis), that's why the discoloration was concentrating to the upper left and gradually deteriorating towards the bottom right. I mistook it potentially as magnetization but the presence of discoloration in the center of the monitor made me think otherwise.

I would probably make more money anyways by parting out the chassis than trying to sell an entire defect XM29 unit (not to mention I have no fucking clue how to pack and ship something that large).

>> No.2740904

>>2740783
go for sony.
B&O is almost guaranteed to have forced image processing gimmicks

>> No.2740934

>>2740837
Hmm well who knows. I guess the underlying physical principle will never go away, ready and waiting for whoever dares to care enough.

https://youtu.be/xSd6Em8bg3U

>> No.2741036

Compared my Sony D24 to an OLED with Framemeister. Despite the fucking sexyness and authenticity of the CRT, the OLED held up very well. It was also pretty fucking fast for a modern display.

Since I'm moving I'll probably sell my CRT to make some room for more consoles/games.

>> No.2741396

>>2740856
Could you please share your camera settings?

>> No.2741702

>>2741036
>OLED
This wouldn't happen to be one of those expensive as fuck PVM OLEDs, would it?

>> No.2741706

will a Scart cable made specifically for an NTSC SNES, work on my NTSC Gamecube?

>> No.2741707

>>2739841
nah i can tell you why it happened.. there is one black wire inside that somehow got snapped off by me trying to glue together the case (which is impossible because the tube is so heavy and is pushing the case in all directions). so i just said fuck it.

>> No.2741708

>>2741706
NTSC Gamecubes do not support RGB, but S-Video instead
PAL Gamecubes do not support S-Video, but RGB instead.

so, no. it won't

>> No.2741715

>>2741708
well damn, looks like I'll have to use component then.

>> No.2741752

>>2741036
>pretty fucking fast
Response time has been a red herring for quite some time with anything other than LCD. Scaler latency is still very real when dealing with analog sources no matter the display type. Nobody will ever bridge that delay gap with a digital display of any kind.

>> No.2741801

>>2741715
>Gamecube
>Component Cable
>Selling a kidney to afford one.

>> No.2742035
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>>2739940
He sent me this pic of the inputs... looks kind of ancient. Am I gonna want to deal with this if I wanted to plug it into a PC?

>> No.2742039 [DELETED] 

>>2742035
Its composite over bnc. No rgb but still marginally better than RF for a 80s tv.

>> No.2742053
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>>2741396
I wish mootles had only set the exif scraper to remove GPS data.
White Balance is manually set to a Color Temp of 9300k as that's what I run my monitors at.
Taken on a tripod within a foot or so from the monitor.

>>2742035
>if I wanted to plug it into a PC?
Look elsewhere; While a very nice set piece and probably pretty decent when it was new, at the end of the day its a standard definition. composite TV set; Even with access to RGB, standard definition sets require extra work to hook up properly to a PC.

>> No.2742156

>>2742035
For you, for a PC, no.

I'd grab it for myself, though. Might even have an analog comb filter on that composite. Super-comfy picture plus stereo on a small 1980s NEC? I'm in at USD40.

>> No.2742159

>>2742053
This http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-AV-S-Video-RCA-Composite-Video-to-PC-Laptop-VGA-TV-Converter-adapter-box/1788015074.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9,searchweb201527_4_71_72_73_74_75,searchweb201560_1

plus this
http://www.amazon.com/BNC-To-RCA-Cable-Feet/dp/B000BSHIS8

What do you think? The converter has buttons and stuff to adjust the picture

>> No.2742172

>>2742039
>marginally
lel

>>2742053
>White Balance is manually set to a Color Temp of 9300k as that's what I run my monitors at.
heathen

>>2742159
nah

>> No.2742176

>>2741801
>>2741715
as someone who spent the money on a component cable, don't do it. wait for the badassconsoles.com alternative

>> No.2742185

>>2742172
any reason why?

>> No.2742208

>>2742185
minor lag for starters

more importantly it's just going to spit everything out as 480i with no respect to what you're actually feeding it and the results can range from ok to unpredictably bad

>> No.2742220

>>2742208
I was never under the impression I was going to get to use it for HD content

>> No.2742228

>>2742220
the problem is that 240p will not look right, and you could find yourself facing problems with timings being off by just enough to, say, render flickering objects completely solid or even transparent, or missing lines altogether

>> No.2742243

>>2742228
And if I got a PC Engine the conversion from NTSC to PAL would cause the same issues?

>> No.2742261

>>2742243
Is it even dual-format? You can't just expect an '80s Aussie-market TV to take NTSC, can you?

>> No.2742262

>>2742261
I mean if I had to get a special converter for it

>> No.2742287

>>2742262
I really don't think this TV is worth getting a scan converter for NTSC consoles, but to answer you I think the issues would be different.

>> No.2742379
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This is my Samsung CRT model number TX-R2435 from 2006. It may not be RGB, but it has Composite, Svideo, and Component. After fiddling around with the settings in the TV and my Transcoder, I'd say it looks pretty damned good. It's Sharp as hell.

It does have a convergence issue at the top of the screen.

>> No.2742384
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>>2742379

Like I said, sharp. Sorry I took the pics with a potato

>> No.2742389
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>>2742384
a little blur

>> No.2742812
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>tfw no gameboy player

>> No.2742860

>>2730012
>telly
Britbong pls

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>>2742172
In the low light conditions I run my stuff in, it's what looks good to my eyes.
I guess I just prefer cooler colors to warm ones.

>> No.2743362

>>2743353
>low light conditions
That's the opposite of the conditions where cool color temperature makes sense. You're double-blueing yourself.

>> No.2743430
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>>2743362
Guess I've got brain problems then.

In all seriousness though, I originally used D65 when I first got my PVM and everything just looked too yellow in tone which is why I switched over to 9300k; I have gone back and tried using it again, but it just seems a lot of the games I play look better with a cooler white point.

One game where I noticed this isn't true is Mega Man 2.

>> No.2743437

>>2743430
Well preference takes precedence so whatever works.

Are all the lightbulbs in your room fluorescent and non-soft/non-yellow by any chance?

>> No.2743442
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2743442

Finally got a chance to unpack the two monitors I picked up on PVM 14M2U and one unknown "acula" brand I've never heard of.

>> No.2743454
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>>2743442
Acula Monitor appears to do composite by BNC and S-Video. The Svideo on it looks pretty nice. Will probably end up my video game TV for my office desk.

>> No.2743490

(I am not American)
I just came home and discovered my girlfriend gifted my 29 inches philips crt that I use for my hacked wii and modded ps2 to the cleaning lady because hers broke and mine was "an old tv".
I have 2 more crts at home, but they only have av and s video connections.

Should I buy a new tv with component, or is s video good enough?

>> No.2743514

>>2743490
>inb4 drop your girlfriend
It depends, how picky are you? I personally couldn't see a difference between my wii's s-video and component signals. I guess the colors are a bit better? It's really minor though.
As long as you already have them, you might as well live the s-video life for now.

>> No.2743530

>>2743514
I am thinking of doing the same.
Even though that is the most cost efficient thing, having a good for nothing wii component cable around bothers me.

Another good thing is that the other 2 tvs are smaller, like 21 inches, and I think they will fit better in the room than the 29 inches tv (perhaps thats the reason why she was so quick to gift it away)

>> No.2743539

>>2743437
I believe both rooms have only incandescent bulbs actually.

>> No.2743553

>>2743430
My theory is the tubes are just worn the fuck out so D65 is warmer than it should be a D93 is more neutral.

But I also seem to prefer my (computer not retro) monitors a bit on the cool side.

>> No.2743558

>>2742812
This photo looks comfy as hell

>> No.2743563

>>2743553
Not sure on the science side of things, but it's certainly possible. The 20M2MDU's tube is certainly showing a bit of age at this point

My extremely worn Dell monitor is also running at 9300k to make some dark-ish colors still show up. It's completely fucked at this point, so anything that gets done to it is just dragging out its end.

>> No.2743674
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Some Street fighter scanlines off the acula. Please don't go through upside down.

>> No.2743676

>>2743442

What's sad is that the picture looks worse than my old ass 27'' JVC CRT TV I got in 1999. I know you didn't want to hear this, but it's true.

>> No.2743678
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>>2743674
Goddamn it. Does any one know what the protocol is for posting pics from your ipad?

>> No.2743681

>>2743674
>>2743678
lmao kill you're self fam

>> No.2743684

>>2743676
It's no big deal. A- the picture looks great in person, my photo was taken with my janky ipad.

B- the seller threw it in for 10 bucks when I bought my 14M2U. It is my 5th monitor, I don't need it to be ground breaking.

>> No.2743690
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I'm just not gonna post from my iPad anymore.

>you're
I'll kill myself when "you're" grammar gets better, fam.

>> No.2743728

I was not expecting the PVM 14M2U's speaker to be as decent as it is. I had an RCA Y splitter laying around to push both rca audio through the mono audio in and it is totally adequate.

>> No.2743746

>>2743728
You're generally fine at line level, just remember that Y-adapter-as-mixer is not a meme anyone should stick with at higher power signals, especially not speaker wire. Basic stereo to mono on a TV is one thing, but you'll destroy major electronics if you assume it applies universally.

/motd

>> No.2743758

>>2743746
Got any examples of your situation occurring? Just for reference?

>> No.2743791

>>2742379
>>2742384
>>2742389
damn good picture for a consumer TV anon. well done

>> No.2743810

>>2743758
Shorting the speaker outputs on a receiver/amp, for example, to connect two high-powered channels to one speaker would be very dangerous to the amp. A well-designed amp will simply shut down and possibly blow a fuse but a basic one will get BTFO as you feed each channel's power into the output of the other channel. Speaker would probably be fine.

>> No.2743919

If only more PC CRT monitors natively displayed 15KHz modelines...

>> No.2743938

>>2743919
This. So many excellent 31KHz monitors in the world and not scanning down to 15KHz renders them all less than half as useful to thousands of users across the glove.

>> No.2744061
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Well, here's my £20 PVM-20M4E.

Replaced my KX-14CP1 as my daily driver.

Console is a launch Super Famicom with c-sync modded to pin 3 and an official Cube SCART.

>> No.2744065
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Aaaaand here's a shot of the image.

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>>2744065
This is going into my porn folder.

>> No.2744140

>>2744065
All Dem Lines Mayne. God I wish I coulda gotten my hands on an 800 line PVM

>> No.2744181

>>2744065
I say, God Damn boy!

>> No.2744193

>>2744061
How did you get that so cheap?

>> No.2744205

>>2744193
eBay auction. I live just outside of London, collected it.

Fixed the colour, enabled the internal speaker again and fixed the geometry using the 240p test suite. Easy

>> No.2744214

>>2744065
Aside from the slightest bit of green and red on the right top and bottom respectively, it looks absolutely perfect.

>> No.2744221

>>2744065
Is there a reason you don't have the picture touch the top and bottom of the screen?

>> No.2744226

>>2744221
SNES.

A true 240p image fits perfectly.

>> No.2744295

>>2744221
The SNES actually outputs 239 lines, though most games do not display anything on the first and last few lines.

>> No.2744518
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Got myself a 1344Q PVM earlier this week locally for 20 bucks. It's a great step up from the 8 incher I was using before.

>> No.2744521
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>>2744518

>> No.2744525
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>>2744521
For anyone wondering it's 600 TV lines.

>> No.2744570
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While I wait for my BNC/BNC jumpers and now a male/male serial adapter for my controller (only cable I have is a male to female. ffs) for the D20F1U, here's some old shots I have of the 14F5U.

>> No.2744573
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>>2744570
I need to figure out how to adjust my Finepix S8200 for these monitors. This moire is aggravating.

>> No.2744574

>>2744573
if you resize images, use bicubic or lanczos. Bilinear tends to amplify moire

>> No.2744584
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>>2744574
Duly noted.

Here's some video of it if anyone will excuse my poor videography (I don't have a tripod+adjustment settings are obviously off). puu sh/kOruu/501959d3b0.MOV

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>>2744584
I'm amazed this monitor hasn't gone full toaster yet with these hours. I promise it looks much better in person.

>> No.2744638

>>2744221
If that would be 50hz then it would be somewhat correct but for 60hz it's indeed incorrect.

>>2744226
Around 200-216 lines of 60hz should be visible and the left/right sides should be cutoff by the borders of the screen by 1-2 pixels.
With this setting you have the wrong aspect ratio.
Also the direction where the CRT is facing can affect the vertical center.

Also someone make a new thread.

>> No.2744643

>>2726531
Could someone answer this?

>> No.2744650

>>2726531
You need a Male to Male RS232-Serial DB9 connector. If you end up with something more common like a male to female (what I have for a JDM Programmer), you need to get a male/male coupler since the ports on the controller and the monitor are both female DB9. I think it uses straight through pinout but I have yet to test.

>> No.2744651

>>2744643

If I recall correctly, the remote control port is basically an RS-232c serial port, so I guess yes, it just uses a db9 serial cable.
But I think you'd better check the specs of the BVM model you're talking about, to know what kind of serial cable you need (straight or Null-modem), the connection property (speed, data bits, flow control, stop bits, parity...), if it really is RS-232c or it uses a few pins for other stuff, things like that.

>> No.2744670

>>2744614
I think when these were in professional use, studios would have the tubes changed every 30k hours or so? That might have been part of sony's warranty program or something.

>> No.2744807

>>2744614
that's not even a year. People used to watch their TV religiously 6 hours a day for 10 years before picture started to go bad

>> No.2744960
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New Thread:

>>2744956
>>2744956