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2715876 No.2715876 [Reply] [Original]

So I have a quick question:

I wanna buy a Super Famicom off eBay, it's just 40€. BUT all the cables are missing. I have a PAL SNES with all cables and controllers. Would they fit into the Super Famicom?

Alternatively, could I just buy one of thoses converters to play NTSC games on my PAL console? No shenanigans with 50hz/60hz swotches and such? Just plug the converter and game in and I'm set?

Thanks in advance!

>> No.2715887

Oh, the cable will fit alright. BUT since Nintendo's always been quite retarded when it comes to a/v output, the pinout just isn't quite the same.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm#snes

>> No.2715895

>>2715887
Man fuck this shit :( I have no otrher idea where to get a Super Famicom.

On a related note, does the SNES put out an RGB signal? I used my gamecube RGB cable on my SNES, and I'm not quite sure if the picture quality is better than with component.

>> No.2715961

>>2715876
>obligatory i'm an eyayby
All the cables work fine. Even the power connector is the same as opposed to the faggot US shit.

>>2715887
Lurk moar kidlet

>> No.2716472

>>2715961
What??? This is wrong. If you use a PAL power cable with a Japanese SNES you will fry the system.

>> No.2716487

>>2715961
I'd rather you stay out of this board that give people crappy advise. The cables ARE mapped differently. Sending +12V on the composite line, if you use a cable not intended for your region, WILL do damage.

And yeah to my knowledge Nintendo is pretty much the only company doing this kind of crap. It's quite similar to the EU N64 having no RGB _and_ no S-Video, or the EU Gamecube having no YUV, or that god-awful French NES Composite-to-fake-RGB built into the console. Yuck.

>> No.2716519

>>2716487
you do realize the JP and US N64s didn't have RGB out of the box either, right?

You do also realize that no NES had RGB out of the box, right? And you do realize that composite over SCART in EU is common, right?

I'd rather you stay of this board _THAN_ spout stupid bullshit.

>> No.2716520

>>2715895
yes, SNES and SFC both output RGB. You can buy generic Chinese SCART cables for like $5. Same with generic Chinese composite cables. Check ebay.

Why is any of this an issue?

>> No.2716545

>>2715876
A Mega Drive 1 power supply is probably the easiest option for a PSU.

Converters will not magically make the games run at 60hz and the games will be slowed down.

>> No.2716569

>>2716519
Not even him omfg. He absolutely destroyed you, then raises lots of valid points, none of which you actually manage to respond to. You read his post, i'll grant, and you've noted the key points, but you fail to address even one of them in your response and instead shoot down claims/statements he clearly and deliberately *didn't* make.

He's very much correct about the cables being different. I'm not actually sure about the power supply. I had a friend with a JP unit who just used to plug it into the wall, so that might work. Best to make sure, though. But. Those of us who actually live in PAL land are often aware of the weird region-specific stuff Nintendo pulled. The PAL SNES AV cable has a 75R resistor to ground on the composite video line. The NTSC-U and probably -JP SNES have the grounding inside the console. Thus using the PAL cable will ground things out twice, and mess with the picture/give slight signal reflection.

>> No.2716574
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2716574

>>2715876
Okay.

Controllers will be fine. Cables will likely not...

Well...I use a Mega Drive PSU for my SFC. I can't remember if it's MD1 or MD2 - I think it's a MD1 PSU.

The console outputs RGB. There are differences between PAL RGB and JP RGB. The pin outs on the scarts are different aka EUROSCART vs JP21.

Honestly, I don't think it's a huge deal because I have also used the cables I have always had with no issue.

>> No.2716575

>>2716545
With regards to this. People always assume converters fix the problem.

All converters do is remove lockout.

The clock speeds of the chips are still different. So what you are then doing is playing a US/JP game at 25fps on PAL because the chip speeds don't allow 30fps.

>> No.2716584

>>2716519
The French NES outputs RGB out of the box, because RGB was the video standard in France in the 80s (one of them, at least, the encoded one being SECAM). The NES PPU is indeed incapable of either SECAM or RGB; SECAM being uncommon, it was difficult to get encoders (only one Atari console did this and it was a terrible hack), Nintendo went with a RGB output instead. But the way they did it was to include a Composite to RGB in the NES itself, and it was absolutely piss poor: the NES really looked like garbage over there as a result. Also, the proprietary connector Nintendo used console-side is pretty much the first iteration of the connector found on their later systems.

>> No.2716587

>>2716545
It's a Famicom. Games will run at 60hz, and won't be slowed down. Video frequency has nothing to do with the power supply being used.

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2716634

>>2716584
French NES a/v port for reference

>> No.2716637

I'm European and have a Super Famicom. I use a Megadrive 1 power supply and the official Gamecube RGB cable. Both work with no problems. The PAL power supply will work with the Super Famicom, but it can cause green lines on the screen, so I'd advise against it. Any cables that you have will work with no problems unless they're RF cables.

>> No.2716841

>>2716574
>Controllers will be fine.
nope, some PAL consoles can have some diodes on the controller pcb that will prevent JP/NA controllers from working.

>> No.2717053

Why is there so much nerd rage over regional difference in consoles? Kinda funny tbh.

>> No.2717289

>>2717053
It can be irritating when some tool gives out advice which could lead someone to destroy their system.

>> No.2718173

>>2716472
Then why aren't any of my consoles fried? I have SFCs and PAL SNESs and use the same ac adapter.

>>2716487
What imaginary SFC cable has this +12V?

I love how everyone ITT is basing all these claims off their interpretation of shit they found on google but has no actual experience.

>> No.2718180
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2718180

>>2718173
I'm honestly glad to come from a decent US public school system. Don't get me wrong. Most are garbage. I was making breadboard projects and learning programming back in the 90's without attending some trade school version of High school. I've got the knowledge to make any of these consoles work wherever. Basic electronics.

>> No.2718275

>>2716841
wut

>> No.2718326
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2718326

Any way to power a US SNES in europe (not UK) without getting a step-down converter?

>> No.2718364

>>2716569
why even bother bringing up N64 RGB when _none of them do RGB out of the box_?

it's completely irrelevant.

>> No.2718463

>>2718275
http://kyorune.com/modding/article.php?id=15

>> No.2718480

I have a similar situation to OP, i recently got a SFC but Im Australian so Im pretty sure I need a converter or different cable for it to work/not fry the shit. Can anyone tell what I need for it to work?

>> No.2718529
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2718529

OP here, thanks for all your help. Yesterday I got pic related on a flea market for just 5€, it usually goes for around 40€ where I live, so pretty good deal. Haven't tested it yet, because I don't have foreign games. The same guy also sold action replay and action replay pro universal adapters.

>>2716545
>>2716575
So games will run with this adapter, but in PAL speed? If so, it likely wouldn't bother me at all, I'm used to PAL speed anyways...

>> No.2718550

>>2718326
Just buy an adapter which gives out the power which the US SNES needs. For most consoles you actually never need a step-down converter. Just alternative/matching power supply.

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2718569

>>2718550
I know a EU NES ac adapter will work on a US NES but with the US SNES, it doesn't use the same plug the EU SNES uses. I don't know what EU (non-UK) plug would work/fit on it.

>> No.2718607

Is this mostly a PAL thing? I've been using my Gamecube composite cable on my SFC for years...

>> No.2718714

>>2718364
But they did have s-video support in NTSC regions, unlike in Europe.

S-video isn't that widely supported in Europe, so it's reasonable enough not to include it, but they could have at least supported RGB instead, since that is widely supported.

And that's his complaint, NTSC regions got something better than composite, we didn't.

>> No.2718736
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2718736

>>2718714
euro N64 supports svideo, you just need a specific cable or mod a NTSC one.

>> No.2718740

>>2718529
PAL games will run at 60hz. If the game was optimised for PAL (most 1st party are), it will have glitches.

More recent games also can detect refresh as another region check and will show a screen like "This game pak is not made for your console"

>> No.2718758

>>2715895
the famicom does but I think it need JB-21 not SCART cables SCART is just the cable remember.

>> No.2718764

>>2718173
the AC adapter? wtf? we're hung up on the AV composite cables and yes RGB is a form of composite. VGA is to.

>> No.2719082

>>2718736
If you need to mod something then it wasn't supported.

>> No.2719101

>>2718569
Never use an NES power supply on ANYTHING but an NES. Trust me. It would probably be best to just throw all of them in the trash.

>> No.2719104

>>2719082
it was supported at the time, there was official PAL s-video cable that was correctly wired.

It's just that all 3rd party cables now available are made for NTSC console and thus don't have components.

>> No.2719320

>>2718180
Good for you. Unfortunately it's easy for a hobbyist to make mistakes when working off information they found on the internet about connectors they're not familiar with. But perhaps you already realized that and that's why you decided to talk about how much you know instead of addressing your incorrect statement.

>>2718764
I was just replying to a confused kid. Sort of like now. RGB and VGA are not composite. Composite combines all the video signals onto one wire. RGB and VGA use separate wires, except in the case of composite sync which combines all the sync signals onto one wire.

>> No.2719852

>>2719104
>it was supported at the time, there was official PAL s-video cable that was correctly wired.

Nope.

>> No.2720043

>>2719101
this is actually good advice.

for anyone who wants to know why: the NES inexplicably outputs AC (instead of DC) to the console. If you accidentally connect a NES adapter to pretty much any other retro console, you will probably fry it.

>> No.2720046

>>2720043
>the NES inexplicably
>the NES adapter inexplicably

Sorry.

>> No.2720058

>>2715876
Also you can't use a PAL Gamecube RGB cable on NTSC SNES or Super Famicom.

Also some PAL games will go completely crazy if you run them on 60hz mode.

>> No.2720092

Just remove the blocker pins and play Super Famicom games on your regular SNES. It's literally exactly the same.

>> No.2720154

>>2720092
OP has a PAL SNES, it's not directly compatible with NTSC games.

>> No.2720194

>>2718764
>RGB is a form of composite. VGA is to.

Well, thanks to you /vr/ hits a new low today. This is one of the most retarded post I've had the displeasure to read in a decade.

>> No.2720264

>>2719104
I don't recall seeing any back then. But the again, S-Video isn't widespread in Europe (unlike RGB, which was still very lacking in the N64).

>> No.2721079

>>2720154
Sure, but aside from not working it's literally exactly the same. kek

>>2720194
Don't worry. You'll see worse soon enough.