The Best Shmup?

[Anonymous No.2711379]

I think so, you name a better one!

[Anonymous No.2711381]

I can tell this thread is gonna be great.

[Anonymous No.2711384]

My fav is Ikurrga. Check those sick ass visuals and artstyle and that totally-not-frustrating chain scoring system.

[Anonymous No.2711403]

>>2711379
Touhou 4 is pretty great :^)

[Anonymous No.2711414]

They should make a shmup that has no enemies or bullets

Hear me out

You would control a 4x4 pixel red square

And there's a single green 16x16 pixel green square that moves around the screen in different complicated patterns

You must keep your red square INSIDE the green square at all times, or else you lose and start over from the beginning. Basically everything outside of the green square is one giant screen-filling bullet.

The key to victory is to memorize the way the little green square moves, possibly by using save states or watching videos of expert level plays

Also the game is nine and a half hours long and you can't pause and it administrates an electric shock to your balls if you lose

[Anonymous No.2711473]

>>2711379
Better get your camera out. You're not allowed to say you like Ikaruga around these parts without posting photos of your score. Shmup trolls are a weird lot.

[Anonymous No.2711491]

Battle Garegga probably. Silvergun is great too obviously, but I have to be in the mood for it.

also inb4 shitstorm

[Anonymous No.2711494]

>>2711414
So I'm guessing you don't like shmups?

[Anonymous No.2711512]

>>2711379
Ikaruga.

[Anonymous No.2711518]

>>2711379
Gradius V.

[Anonymous No.2711561]

>>2711379
R-Type and Gradius are both tied for the god-tier title

[Anonymous No.2711572]

>>2711491
Man, I just don't get the Battle Garegga circlejerk. Maybe I'm just a faggot

[Anonymous No.2711575]

>>2711572
It's a secret club. The convoluted rank and scoring systems makes it completely inaccessible to those outside the circle of enlightened ones. It's a pretty cool game though.

[Anonymous No.2711583]

>>2711518
>>2711561
But Gradius Gaiden is the best Gradius game in my opinion.

>>2711572
It's a weird game and plays very differently from traditional non-YGW shooters, but I think it's a lot of fun once you start practicing and the soundtrack is just stellar.

[Anonymous No.2711586]

>>2711575
Gotcha. I tried it and immediately dropped it when nearly indistinguishable flying debris hit me.

[Anonymous No.2711592]

>>2711583
>Gradius Gaiden is the best Gradius game
Even Gradius Rebirth is better than this. Gaiden is broken and totally unbalanced due to the Limit shield.

[Anonymous No.2711597]

I greatly prefer horizontal games like Gradius and Thunder Force.

[Anonymous No.2711608]

>>2711586
There's an alternate version floating around with more clearly visible bullets but most Garegga people will suggest you just play it until you train your eyes to see the bullets among the shrapnel.

[Anonymous No.2711610]

>>2711592
Haven't played Rebirth, but all Gradius games are fairly unbalanced (either for or against the player, depending on which one you're playing). I didn't use limit shield cause it didn't seem as useful as standard shield.
Gaiden is just the most fun to me, especially the last stage.

[Anonymous No.2711618]

>>2711610
Gradius games are not unbalanced at all. They are just difficult. But the Limit shield in Gaiden is completely broken, to the point where you are completely invincible throughout the whole game. Just put the shield in front of your power ups and you are invincible the whole time.

[Anonymous No.2711639]

>treasure has only ever made 3 shmups
>these 3 shmups are all GOAT

why is treasure so based?

[Anonymous No.2711665]

I guess b/c this is the /stg/ thread for now, are there any good commodore shmups at all?

[Anonymous No.2711709]

Hong Kong version of DonPachi

[Anonymous No.2711714]

>name a better one!
HellSinker

shmump tier list:

God tier: Toaplan / Cave (pre-PGM) / Raizing / Orange-Juice / Ruminant's Whimper

High Tier: Psikyo / Seibu / Technosoft / Siter-Skain / Daisessen

Medium Tier: Taito / Squaresoft / Takumi / Irem / NMK / G-Rev / Platine Dispositif

Low Tier: Cave (post-PGM) / Konami / Edelweiss / Treasure / RebRank

Shit Tier: Euroshmups

Trash tier: Team Shanghai Alice

[Anonymous No.2711748]

>>2711714
>shmump tier list
usually you want to put those in some kind of order

[Anonymous No.2711756]

>>2711379
ikaruga and gradius v are both better.

[Anonymous No.2711761]

>name a better one
Rayforce

[Anonymous No.2711764]

>>2711414
>They should make a shmup that has no enemies or bullets

Better idea. Take a 2d shmup and display the graphics in pseudo 3d using ray casting (like the Wolf3d / Doom engine).

Or, make a roleplaying game where you play a side character.

[Anonymous No.2711771]

>>2711714
Not counting Euroshmups, Raizing, Technosoft and Team Shanghai Alice (which I don't know much about), that list is actually backwards.

Also, primitive belongs in god tier. I mean they only released one-and-a-half shmups (Exception and Exception Conflict), but those were the most original shmups I've practically ever seen.

[Anonymous No.2711902]

>>2711714

How the fuck is this thread almost thirty posts long and this is the worst thing anyone's said about Silvergun?

Normally you can't even mention Treasure SHMUPs without triggering some kind of autistic hipster rage fest

[Anonymous No.2711913]

>>2711902
Don't ruin /vr/.

I've been having a ball playng DDP. My natural distaste for bombs is gonna make it hell to ever beat. I think I can get through about stage 3 before dying with a bomb on the third boss... or was that the second?

By the time I get near the end of stage 4 I'm eating continues. Still the most fun I've had playing vidjagaems in a long time though.

I want to like r type but I can't make it to the first boss. Help.

[Anonymous No.2711929]

Radiant Silvergun triggers severely my autism.

Since playing for score on it is too convoluted, my autism triggers hard and I start throwing off white bubbles out of my mouth, nose and sometimes, my eyes too.
Hell, even reading the title, "Radiant Silvergun" makes my hands shake and sweat a little.

Please refrain from mentioning any Treasure shmup ever again or I may die the next time!

[Anonymous No.2711935]

how is the scoring convoluted? I mean, you shoot things, you get points, right?

having said that. I am a huge fan of Einhander. another one with a wacky-cracky scoring system. also, a God-tier soundtrack

[Anonymous No.2711938]

>>2711935
you need to shoot things of the same color in a row

[Anonymous No.2711950]

My favorite shmup is actually Judgement Silversword

and it's too hard for me to beat, I'm never going to finish it without using god mode or playing on easy

but there's something about the raw purity of it that really appears to me, and it doesn't have a completely retarded scoring mechanic like Ikaruga that just infuriates me

On the other hand, Gigawing probably has my favorite gimmicks and scoring mechanic, the push and pull and stretching when you're trying to build up another reflect is really fantastic

And of course, R-Type has my favorite plot and aesthetic, it's completely terrifying

[Anonymous No.2712005]

>>2711950
People who complain about the scoring mechanic of Ikaruga are retarded. If you don't like it then just play for survivial. The game is still hard enough on hard difficulty.

[Anonymous No.2712365]

>>2712005
My other problem with Ikaruga is that if you divest it of one of it's distractions, like the scoring mechanic, it's fucking slow and boring as shit and I don't like it.

I'm not sure why because I like other slow shooters like R-Type but Ikaruga just rubs me the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.2712536]

Been playing Zanac x Zanac on my pstriple and enjoy it a lot. What are some other good classic shoot games on the PSN or games that are inexpensive on disc? Also congrats on having a civil shmup thread for once.

[Anonymous No.2712752]

>>2712365
I think you just shouldn't play on babby difficulty. If you play Ikaruga on Hard difficulty the whole gameplay and enemy placement actually flows really good with the scoring mechanic.

[Anonymous No.2712757]

I honestly think that Super Aleste is the best vertical shmup ever made.

[Anonymous No.2712761]

>>2712752
Hard is the only difficulty I ever tried playing it on

[Anonymous No.2712763]

>>2712761
Then I fail to see your problem. Playing the game on hard is actually almost as if playing for score, since on Hard you also already have to shoot the same colors consecutively, because otherwise you will just die in a rain of unabsorbable bullets.

[Anonymous No.2712876]

What happened with the general?

I downloaded shmupmame.

[Anonymous No.2712879]

>>2711572
It's not for plebs and easy quitting sacks of shit like you, it's the players choice.

[Anonymous No.2712882]

No mention of Ketsui? I guess this is where the shitty low tier players who never learnt to play shit and judge games solely on aesthetics hang out.

[Anonymous No.2712885]

>>2711586
>I tried it and immediately dropped it
The winners approach... No perseverance, no effort ,no intuition, just quit. You don't deserve to live you worthless sack of cum.

[Anonymous No.2712889]

>>2712885
>sack of cum
>worthless

[Anonymous No.2712905]

>>2711379
>vert

Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.2712908]

>>2712882

Ketsui is not retro, you poster hipster scumbag

[Anonymous No.2712920]

>>2711561

Which Gradius and which R-Type faggot?

[Anonymous No.2712943]

>>2712876
>What happened with the general?

it just arrived:

>>2712879
>>2712882
>>2712885

RIP thread

[Anonymous No.2712947]

>>2712908
Nor is Gradius V or r-type final then yet they both get multiple mentions you fucking bellend.

[Anonymous No.2712956]

>>2712947

Maybe because Gradius and R-Type are retro franchises, you shit eating hipster.

[Anonymous No.2712967]

>>2712956
What the fuck kinda retard logic is this? nappy sniffing mouth breather. A games age is not defined by the fucking franchise it belongs to.

[Anonymous No.2712968]

What should I play if I have only played, Nes, Genesis, PC Engine and SNES shmups?

And am I wrong or are the shmups made after those generations considered better by shmups fans like those of system11?
I have tried looking some of those best of lists but I am kinda lost since they are all full of weird japanese names I dont recognize.

[Anonymous No.2712970]

What is it about shmups and fighting games that make them have fucking awful communities?

They're my two favorite genres but like 99% if people that are really into them are massive assholes.

[Anonymous No.2712972]

>>2712967

I didn't post about Gradius V or R-Type Final myself though, I was just guessing as to why some retards posted about them.

At any rate, Ketsui is completely irrelevant for this board, so get lost.

[Anonymous No.2712981]

>>2712908
>>2712972
ketsui is hosted on a retro arcade board you flying elephant.

[Anonymous No.2712985]

>>2712981

And this game is on a console from 1994.

[Anonymous No.2713000]

>>2711572
I don't get it either. tried it a few times. was pretty lame compared to other raizing

[Anonymous No.2713006]

>>2712985
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

[Anonymous No.2713043]

>>2713000
>I don't get it either.

>tried it a few times

There's your problem, you won't be understanding or being able to appreciate a games depth and awesomeness in just a few tries. I bet you think the other raizings are better solely for aesthetic reasons right?

[Anonymous No.2713048]

>>2711414
cant wait for it. sounds fkn awesome bro

[Anonymous No.2713052]

>>2712985
And we discuss it whenever it is posted.

[Anonymous No.2713061]

>>2713052

searched on the archive, found nothing.

I think you're lying.

[Anonymous No.2713064]

>>2713061
>found nothing
Because the search backend is currently offline.

Here's a Warosu link.
>>/vr/thread/S2450094

[Anonymous No.2713067]

>>2712981
And Deus Ex will run on a Windows 98 machine, but every Deus Ex thread gets deleted for not being retro.

[Anonymous No.2713068]

>>2713067
Well that's just shitty moderation.

[Anonymous No.2713069]

>>2711379

[Anonymous No.2713070]

I like STG and Fightans. also some platforming.

one of the best, is ikagurga, irakuga, ikagura, ikaruga. I have it on the DC (burned offcourse, im a poorfag) others I reccomend are epsdare and mushimushisama and another which I cant think of the name right now, so yeah

oh and on a not so retro note, yesterday I saw a nice shmup on STGWeekly called Final Boss, had a real nice retro look and feel to it, so yeah again.

anyways for the auts/spergs/fags/gaylords, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.2713073]

>>2713064

I see, but nobody discussed the game, it was mostly a meta thread.

thanks for the head ups anyway

[Anonymous No.2713074]

>>2711414
>I have never played a shmup for score

[Anonymous No.2713118]

>>2711379

Anything by Cave.
Anything by Raizing.
Anything by Psikyo.
Anything by Takumi.
Anything, pretty much.
Except Ikaruga.

[Anonymous No.2713132]

Fucking Ketsui is the best.

[Anonymous No.2713359]

RIP civil shmup thread. It was nice while it lasted. What's ya'll opinion on Gaia Seed? I suck at horizontal shooters but the music is amazing. Gives me a Panzer Dragoon vibe.

[Anonymous No.2713536]

>>2713359
>What's ya'll opinion on Gaia Seed?
Ridiculously easy 1cc even on hard but it looks and sounds good enough, i'd never dream of paying the going price though.

[Anonymous No.2713538]

>>2713118
I plaid Ikaruga once and my brother died. Never again.

[P No.2713541]

>>2711379
That's not 1944 the loop master

[Anonymous No.2713542]

>>2713118

get your weeb shit outta here

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[Anonymous No.2714182]

>>2713542

[Anonymous No.2714191]

>>2713074
We can work on adding a rank system if that helps you

[Anonymous No.2714447]

>>2713549
there are so many things wrong with this player

[Anonymous No.2714464]

>Just found out that 'autobomb' is a thing on later DonPachi games

wut

[Anonymous No.2714632]

What are the best Parodius games?

[Anonymous No.2714639]

>>2713549
>aunt Nana plays Cho Ren Sha

[Anonymous No.2714649]

>>2713549
Which reminds me, I still have a bunch of webms I made that I should repost.

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[Anonymous No.2714661]

Look at all these fags that don't realize Raiden Fighters is the best shooting series of all time.

[Anonymous No.2714662]

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[Anonymous No.2714665]

Done.

[Anonymous No.2714705]

>>2713549

[Anonymous No.2714867]

Hey /vr/, wanna get an easy 1cc? Well, technically 2cc.
Have 2 players select the green haired girl in Blazing Star, keep your machines powered up and button mash away. This will trigger the sprite limit, despawning the majority of enemies and bullets before you even get to see them, as well as generating a lot of lag. Game becomes easy breazy after that.

[Anonymous No.2714870]

>>2714464
You can turn it off in daifukkatsu black label.

[Anonymous No.2715578]

>>2714665
I always lose it whenever I watch that video.

[Anonymous No.2715601]

Can we talk about Metal Slug in here?

I realize its not really a shmup and more of a "run and gun" but they share a lot in common.

Anyways, I wanna get really good at it. I have a consolized MVS and usually would just quarter feed. If you take the "1 quarter = 1 continue", I've worked my way down from 6.25 to 4.75 but I still have issues.

Any good advice for getting good at metal slug?

[Anonymous No.2715604]

>>2714447
>>2714639
That's from a test run of Cho Ren Sha. Original post was in an early /jpc/ thread but archive.moe is down, so I'll need to find the post another time.

I'm playing Final Crisis atm (>>2712405), having a lot of fun. And I'm part of the way through Zanac AI too.

[Anonymous No.2715618]

>>2715601
always shoot while crouching
while in the tank, go up close to an enemy, crouch and spam grenades
jump in and out of the tank to take advantage of i-frames
I would work into beating individual missions in one life first if I were you. I believe you can use memory card save in between missions or the universe bios to skip levels. Use this to practice then put it all together in a run.

[Anonymous No.2715679]

>>2715618
Why shoot while crouching? Lower profile?

I don't actually have a universe bios installed but I may get one.

[Anonymous No.2715684]

>>2712956
Sweet that means I can make an MGSV thread.

[Anonymous No.2715685]

>>2715679
You also shoot faster with some weapons while crouching, mainly the stock pistol.

[Anonymous No.2715687]

>>2713068
Not it isn't. If we were to use that logic then we'd be discussing PC games all the way up to the mid 2000s because they can run on 98.

http://www.amazon.com/F-E-R-First-Encounter-Assault-Recon/dp/B0000ZUGZ4/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1443826195&sr=1-3&keywords=F.E.A.R.+-+PC

[Anonymous No.2715870]

>>2711761
>Rayforce
mah nigga

Amazing presentation, reasonable length (something RSG suffers heavily with, especially combined with the need to score pretty well to survive, the later stages get completely fucking retarded if you aren't leveled up enough), looks good, 10/10 soundtrack. Reasonably advanced scoring mechanics, especially for a '93 release.

>>2713549
>both orbs miss
this triggers the shit out of me

[Anonymous No.2715875]

>>2711379

[Anonymous No.2715998]

>>2711379
Recca
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius
Ikaruga
XEXEX
X-Multiply
Blazing Lazers
Gun*Nac
Space Megaforce

A few of those are debatable, but I'd put them all close to or higher than Radiant Silvergun.

[Anonymous No.2716147]

>>2711379
Looks pretty crap compared to good ol Raptor

[Anonymous No.2716171]

>>2716147
YES, ALL MY YES. legendary game

[Anonymous No.2716232]

Any predictions for Cave's second Steam port after Mushihimesama?

[Anonymous No.2716353]

>>2716232
Either deathsmiles or futarior maybe sdoj seeing as the port was ass.

[Anonymous No.2716512]

>>2716147
>Looks pretty crap compared to good ol Raptor
>Looks
>The guy who likes euroshmups hasn't even played one of the most well known Japanese shmups

big surprise. stay pleb.