SoTN Hardtype

[Anonymous No.2696876]

Anyone tried SoTN Hardtype? Is it any good?

www.insanedifficulty.com/board/index.php?/topic/5587-castlevania-symphony-of-the-night-hardtype-v22/

Also, can it be run on actual PS1/PSOne hardware? If so, how? I tried and failed.

SoTN thread to beat SM thread (to death)?

NTSC-J/Pal cover is best cover.

[Anonymous No.2696992]

>>2696876
>Also, can it be run on actual PS1/PSOne hardware? If so, how? I tried and failed.

It seemed to work for me, but I'm using a PS2 debugging station to play burned discs. All I did was rip the ISO from my copy of SotN, patch it, and burn the patched ISO. It booted up no problem. I used ImgBurn to rip/burn the ISO.

[Anonymous No.2697019]

>>2696992
TY. At least i know it can be done. I tried creating an iso from a set of cue and bins with imgburn, then patching that and burning it. Failed nicely.

Might depend on the original image, I guess. I'll give it another shot. Test the unpatched iso on EPSXE first and then burn that and stuff.

I have a PAL PSOne, chipped with the 6-wire onechip, so it won't handle stealth originals from NTSC/J regions. Anyone know what that kind of failure would look like, just in case?

[Anonymous No.2697196]

>removes weapons from game

fuck the fuck off

[Anonymous No.2697206]

>>2697196
>removes weapons from game
>fuck the fuck off

Odd 'tude, dude. Nothing is perfect, and the original still exists if you seriously need to go around using weapons like chrissaegrim and can't handle the game without them...

[Anonymous No.2697372]

>>2697206
I should articulate that a little better and say the game is hall-of-fame material, but the one universal criticism is its lack of difficulty. I'd prefer LandonRay had left all the content in, TBH, because i can choose not to use it, but even so i appreciate his efforts.

[Anonymous No.2697394]

>>2697206
>>2697372
This is why hardtype mods are -always- shit.

They go way, way too fucking far.

They could've just changed Crissaegrim to Korean MMO levels of drop rate to discourage farming. But no, they just remove it entirely.

Its always the same. They remove Carlie's Healing spell in SD3 during her first class rendering her completely useless, where as in a hard type mod she may actually be a valid fucking option as a healer.

They make Zelda games like Parallel Towers stupid as fuck because they require Bomb jumping instead of having actually difficult puzzles.

I'd take a good game, thats a little too easy, over shit like that any day. You can always just self-impose a challenge on yourself.

[Anonymous No.2697407]

>>2697394
>This is why hardtype mods are -always- shit.
>They go way, way too fucking far.
What, removing three OP weapons from a list of hundreds? Again, i'd prefer they were left in, but labelling that going "way, way too far" seems a more serious case of same :)

I've not really played a lot of other mods, so perhaps need a better way to benchmark.

[NESfag No.2697708]

It's a good hack rarely, even made me discover things I never knew about the game, like enemy (especially bosses) animations and moves I had never seen cause they'd usually die too soon.

The spellcost should have been increased though. You can still spam your way through the game that way.

I just wish this was for the superior Saturn verison instead...

[Anonymous No.2697710]

>>2697708
>superior Saturn verison
Man all those fancy new hallways sure are worth the slowdown.

[Anonymous No.2697768]

>>2697196
>>2697394
this. if you have the ability to edit equip's stats, why not balance the broken shit instead of removing it? crissaegrim would be fine with low attack with that attack speed. he also went as far to make galgamoth's lightning non-elemental which ruins the player's option to prepare equip for the battle.

[Anonymous No.2697791]

>>2697708
>I just wish this was for the superior Saturn verison instead...

I wish they'd just fucking translate that already.

Just the menus and weapon titles, so I don't need a shift-jis weapon guide open every time I play the game.

[Anonymous No.2697821]

>>2697019
Your problem might be that you are trying to run an NTSC version using PAL hardware. It also seems like the patch is only compatible with the NTSC-U version of the game.

[Anonymous No.2697905]

>>2697394
Carlie and Angela were actually the strongest characters are CC at one point in the hardtype. And they still have the advantage of being incredibly self sufficient compared to other characters.

What happened to them is pretty light compared to Kevin.

[Anonymous No.2697916]

>>2697768
The problem with balancing things is that chances are they either turn out too strong or the complete opposite. Especially when it comes to things like the Criss. Which is why most people simply opt for removing the elements instead of leaving them in and then balance from there such as the Calculator in T.

Brave New World is one of the few hacks that got balancing down and it still has its fair share of neat and fining to do.

As someone who's experimented with making balance patches and hardtypes its really not as easy as some people might think.

[Anonymous No.2697919]

Has anyone ever tried to hack it into a Classicvania-style game, or appropriate the game's resources for that purpose

Not even hating

I just think it would be interesting

[Anonymous No.2697926]

>>2697919
What's wrong with Rondo of Blood and Dracula X?

[Anonymous No.2698240]

>>2697926
More of a good thing, is all.

[Anonymous No.2698247]

>>2697919
Someone should do that with the latter. Doing it with the former sounds needlessly complicated and might as well be creating the game from the ground up. You do have Richter though.

[Anonymous No.2698253]

>>2697919
That will run into the same problem as every other difficulty rebalancing patch for SotN. Even if you do balance out the stats the boss patterns are still too easily loopable and predictable, it's specially evident when refighting bosses and enemies that showed up in Rondo of Blood first, how much tamer their AI behaves in SotN in comparison. And even then Alucard still has spells with invincibility frames and equipment abilities that break the game no matter how much you try to "fix" the challenge.

[Anonymous No.2698440]

>>2697821
I can tell the difference :)

>>2696992
>>2697019
Worked 2nd time round. I just patched the bin file i had - didn't even realise you could do that. Then ignored the heap of miscompares imgburn tossed up when verifying.

Thanks for the info, and the encouragement, if i can call it that.

>>2697768
I'd have loved to see Crissaegrim with lower stats. Might still have been OP with that range. Still there's the nerfed yasutsuna and the holbein daggers and stuff.

[Anonymous No.2698484]

>>2696876
Super Castlevania was the last good Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.2699209]

>>2698253
That's the problem with difficulty patches for action games in general. Unless you outright remove shit, things are still going to be easy for people who've played the game before.

[NESfag No.2699335]

>>2697791
I know, right?

PS1 version, already officially translated, got a fan translation... but the Saturn version which didn't make it out of Japan didn't.

I know PS1 hacking has more share knowledge around the net; and also on PS1 they can use the original game as a base for the translation; but it still seems stupid as fuck.

Anyway that didn't prevent me from enjoying the game. Once you've played the original, which you should 'cause the Saturn verison is better appreciated after playing the original, you should have no problem playing the moonspeak version. I used the wikia as well as this site to translate items name and description when needed.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/mrp//sotnweapons.htm

[Anonymous No.2699609]

>>2698253

This. The AI, moveset and attack pattern of SotN bosses is so shit it's not even funny. Only the 2 final bosses provides some fun. Also the mist mode trivializes the entire inverted castle, which is where you can find some challenge from regular enemies, but then again they have high HP, so moving your way through without mist gets annoying after a while.

[Anonymous No.2699640]

So who wants to upload the patched ISO?

[Anonymous No.2699650]

>>2696876
>want to make the game harder
>I know, let's give the enemies more hitpoints, deal more damage and make magic spells cost more!
>let's also remove the weapons that do the most damage
>Because making you spend 4 minutes dodging the same 3 attacks over and over is harder, not simply more tedious

That's so kaizo, you guys.

[Anonymous No.2699654]

>>2699640
Patching is seriously not that hard.

[Anonymous No.2699671]

>>2699654
*reclines in computer chair*

I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.2699673]

>>2699671
I'm almost done uploading, just a sec, bruh.

[Anonymous No.2699676]

>>2699673

[Anonymous No.2699682]

>>2699676
Should be done any moment now. Hang in there.

[Anonymous No.2699691]

>>2699682
What're you on 56k?

[Anonymous No.2699702]

>>2699691
15%

[Anonymous No.2699742]

>>2699650
Hey you just made Circle of the Moon

[Anonymous No.2699748]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xXE4dRXRS0

This was done EIGHT years ago. We're never getting a good SotN hack.

[Anonymous No.2699760]

>>2699650

[Anonymous No.2699770]

>>2699748
Though he did post an update video recently. There is some hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGk483TCvD0

Can somebody help him? He's asking for help!

[Anonymous No.2699895]

>>2699742
Half of the bosses in CoTM die to the Cross and the other half die to Uranus + Thunderbird. The hardest part is actually getting shit to drop.

[Anonymous No.2700172]

>>2699702
You never came through for me, anon.

[Anonymous No.2700183]

>>2700172
16%

[Anonymous No.2700194]

>>2700183

[Anonymous No.2700220]

>>2699770
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGk483TCvD0
Is he releasing it open source? I remember someone remaking FF7 (or atleast bragging about it and post screen shots) then kept it to himself.

[Anonymous No.2700297]

>>2700220
He has a comment section on his Wordpress blog in the video description. He seems super autistic so be weary of asking.

[Anonymous No.2700338]

>>2697394
>You can always just self-impose a challenge on yourself.
Best thing you can do.
My bro and I made a 10-hitpoint run challenge where if you were hit 10 times before reaching a save-room you had to reset no matter if it was a medusa head o Legion's laser.
Healing items healed 1HP and Soul Steal was banned.

The clock tower was hardcore and awesome.

[Anonymous No.2700347]

>>2698484
0/10
would not be baited again

[Anonymous No.2700348]

http://www.mediafire.com/download/s4jo7fo8szfy3d9/sotn_lv1.mcr
reminder that this exists. a save that puts you at level 99 with level 1 stats. you'll never have enough mp for soul steal and familiars can't level. it almost seems like the levelup system was an afterthought because the game is still playable. its not even really that hard, but you might notice bosses have new attacks because you used to kill them so fast.

[Anonymous No.2700350]

>>2696876
There is already a perfect Metroidvania. It's called Order of Ecclesia.
There's also already a HardcoreVania. Serio's Castlevania Fighter.

This is just "fight common enemies for minutes because of retardedly high HP stats"vania.

[Anonymous No.2700360]

>>2699760
well, he's not wrong. It's a shitty way to do difficulty.
Would mario games really be harder if the bosses took 12 hits instead of 3?

[Anonymous No.2700392]

>>2697919
>Has anyone ever tried to hack it into a Classicvania-style game, or appropriate the game's resources for that purpose

What you'd need is a proper set of tools for that. Map maker, that sort of thing. Like what Super Metroid and Super Mario World has. No one has done that.

[Anonymous No.2701530]

I wonder what tools they used. When I looked up PS1 homebrew and hacking stuff a while back everything I found was built to run on pre xp os.