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Points where a franchise began to decline Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:03:28 2015 No.2694564 [DELETED]

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I'll start with Megaman. Granted, X was a big offense in terms of casualizing the series, but 3 was pretty bad as well.

>a tremendous amount of slowdown and sprite flickering
>shit bosses, especially Breakman (bad AI) and Doc Robot (Rehash Man)
>Rush Jet trivializes platforming because it can never run out of fuel
>game was rushed out the door with removed content
>laziest Wily Castle level design of all time
>casualized by letting you have 9 e-tanks
>Shadow Blade doesn't fix Metal Blade being overpowered, other weapons suck
>music isn't as memorable or charming as the first two games

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:05:01 2015 No.2694569 My Opinion: The Thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:08:47 2015 No.2694573 >X casualized the series Megaman was always casual you retarded fuck.

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:11:40 2015 No.2694579

Sanic 3&K, it had too many annoying level gimmicks like the tops in Marble Garden, the elevators in Launch Base, pulleys in Mushroom Hill, etc.

DKC3, don't really need to explain this one. Was a massive step down in quality from 2 and you had to play as a retarded baby version of DK.

Castlevania: SotN, gone are all the things that make CV CV in this one. Shouldn't have even called it a Castlevania videogame.

3D Mario: instead of being a fast-paced platformer, it turned into a boring, tedious collectathon with awful cameras and shit gimmicks like FLUDD.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:12:24 2015 No.2694581 File: 1.59 MB, 325x235, 1441822772385.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694564 >casualizing the series

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:13:09 2015 No.2694583 >>2694564 >music isn't as memorable or charming as the first two games Stop posting, you're drunk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:14:23 2015 No.2694585 >>2694573 >"always casual" >most people had to exploit that menu glitch to beat MM1 >most people still complain about Dragon, Boobeam Trap and Alien in MM2 You're full of shit, fam.

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:14:40 2015 No.2694586

What's up you meme loving fuck.
MM7 was close to bringing the whole series down before X redeemed it, unfortunately X was a one-off and the rest of the games in the series (particularly past X3) are all garbage. Classic 1-6 are solid games, but as the other anon said, the series was casual from the start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:18:08 2015 No.2694593 >>2694585 You mean most casual fucks that can't handle the slightest challenge in a video game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:19:34 2015 No.2694594 File: 100 KB, 392x392, toplel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694593 >posing as a le hardcore retro man on an anonymous board

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:24:25 2015 No.2694602 >>2694586 X came out two years before MM7 did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:26:25 2015 No.2694606 >>2694594 >thinking nes megaman is "hardcore" and X is "casual" >posting splatoon pics Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:41:28 2015 No.2694627 File: 171 KB, 800x533, 1420983966763.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread went well. I'll miss it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:41:38 2015 No.2694628 >>2694606 Mega Man is harder than X, yes. I don't recall there being an infinite walljump ability in Classic games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:44:22 2015 No.2694632 >>2694593 Fuck those beams seriously

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 16:52:06 2015 No.2694643 File: 111 KB, 256x353, Metroid_Other_M_Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It only took Metroid 24 years. I'm hoping this was just a hiccup rather than marking a point of decline. Time will tell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:01:52 2015 No.2694658 File: 45 KB, 320x445, MetroidPrimebox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694643

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:02:56 2015 No.2694661 File: 182 KB, 856x800, Final_Fantasy_8_ntsc-front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694564

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:03:16 2015 No.2694662 >>2694658 If you don't like Metroid prime, then that's a problem on YOUR end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:04:46 2015 No.2694664 >>2694662 It's worse than its predecessors in every way except for graphics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:05:48 2015 No.2694667 File: 61 KB, 500x500, 51GXYSKK0GL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:07:27 2015 No.2694670 File: 73 KB, 1280x720, ff7firstscreen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694661

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:08:01 2015 No.2694671 File: 341 KB, 320x289, 1383794220674.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694662 Kek, look at this jokester.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:08:02 2015 No.2694672 File: 83 KB, 1024x768, mgs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694564

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:15:00 2015 No.2694682 >>2694662 Prime cut out the essential parts that made it Metroid. It's just another rebranded Quake II, like Jedi Outcast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:20:41 2015 No.2694689 File: 2.28 MB, 1500x1094, The_Legend_of_Zelda_Ocarina_of_Time_box_art.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694564

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:21:08 2015 No.2694690 >>2694682 Samus - check Space Pirates - check Metroids - check Trademark franchise moves & items such as missiles, morph ball, and screw attack - check What got cut?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:22:48 2015 No.2694692 File: 74 KB, 256x188, smw.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2694564 this too

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:24:26 2015 No.2694696

>>2694564
The music criticism is bs, most tracks are 10/10 or 9/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9__sJWMXjE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbzXhqAQUtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoq05ASbhk

I agree on the game not being as good as 2, except the soundtrack which absolutely matches (or betters) the one of Mega Man 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:24:39 2015 No.2694697 >>2694670 I almost posted this one, but FFVIII took the series in the new edgy emo teenager direction that continued onward, whereas FF7 still had some redeeming qualities to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:26:22 2015 No.2694698 >>2694690 The actual gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 17:30:07 2015 No.2694702 File: 39 KB, 472x375, earthbound-cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ruined.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 18:49:13 2015 No.2694829 File: 108 KB, 250x183, rtype3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] R-Type I, II and Leo were fantastic games, but quality started to dip here. It's obvious that this game and all subsequent R-Types were lacking that Nazca touch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:06:12 2015 No.2694841 >>2694667 This is true. RE4 is also the best in the series though

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:09:37 2015 No.2694845

>>2694702
it's the only one I like. Mother 1 is too obtuse and lacks any sense of direction, Mother 3 has the opposite problem and it's basically a walking simulator.

Mother 2 just hit that sweet spot between casualness and hardcoreness, also best ost, characters and story

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:21:56 2015 No.2694861 >>2694698 Basically you're mad it doesn't sidescroll?

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:35:59 2015 No.2694876

>>2694861
Metroid Prime:

> Oh hey, let me see what's over here.
> Oh, that's a red door. I can't go that way.
> Let me see what's over here...
> There's a blue door, I can't go that way.
> Oh let's go this way.
> There's a purple door, I can't go that way.
> Oh, there's a regular door. I guess I'll go this way now.

The entire game of Metroid Prime. They removed the ability to free explore the world and be rewarded for it, which was the allure of the original game and Super Metroid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:42:04 2015 No.2694886 >>2694876 >metroidvania.txt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:43:40 2015 No.2694887 >>2694876 Newsflash - every Metroid game plays just like that lol

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:48:16 2015 No.2694897

>>2694887
No, it doesn't. Metroid Prime makes you feel like you are playing a game akin to a rat being in a maze. The other entries in the series allow the player to explore different areas. That's not to say that they are entirely unrestricted, but they don't completely box you into going from A-> B-> C.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:48:53 2015 No.2694898 >>2694887 Boom, roasted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 19:53:19 2015 No.2694907 >>2694682 >Quake II What the fuck am I reading? If anything Prime is most similar to System Shock (except I prefer SS1 and SS2).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 20:03:46 2015 No.2694920 Bonk 3 The gameplay is still good, but the music is crap and tons of graphics are rehashed Super Bonk is even worse

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 20:44:58 2015 No.2694990 >>2694897 Once again, despite what you're claming, this is EVERY Metroid game. So yes, you folks only don't like Prime because it doesn't sidescroll.

Anonymous Mon Sep 21 20:53:16 2015 No.2695005

>>2694579
If you knew what the fuck you were doing you'd realize the top in Marble Garden is only used once. You can play the entire Launch Base without using an elevator and beat Mushroom Hill with only one pulley at the end of Act 2. Sounds like to me you fucking suck at video games and don't know what alternate paths are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 21:08:07 2015 No.2695037 >>2694564 X saved the series from dying an early death. MM was the CoD of its generation with a fucking game out every god damn year and the same shit just repackaged. prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 21:14:27 2015 No.2695043 >>2695037 Classic > Legends > Zero > X Frankly, I would've been fine if Megaman had skipped a generation, like Metal Gear did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 23:20:18 2015 No.2695206 >>2694564 Mah Uneducated actual child hipster opinion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 21 23:23:32 2015 No.2695213 >>2694696 Jesus, post the actual songs you CUCKCOCK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpILj6I-g2U&list=PL6akIKaXBeU1cCBF3I3vjEn9SBsK_HsaU&index=6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKZUo3ghuU&list=PL6akIKaXBeU1cCBF3I3vjEn9SBsK_HsaU&index=31

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