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What is the superior franchise?

>> No.2691768

Apples will always be superior to oranges!

>> No.2691774
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>>2691761
Castlevania is maybe 3 or 4 franchises unceremoniously taped together one after the other, though some individual installments are great. Metroid has a superior design, focus and atmosphere, and a best-case-scenario transition from 2D to 3D.

>> No.2691776

>>2691768
/thread

But nice bait, OP. Good luck next time.

>> No.2691786

>>2691768
Enjoy your scurvy applefag

>> No.2691849

>>2691786
Have fun shitting burning play-doh because you have no fiber in your diet, orange-nigger!

>> No.2691878

>>2691774
>and a best-case-scenario transition from 2D to 3D.
Uh no. It's transition from 3D was highly flawed and poorly executed and shit on nearly everything that made the 2D games great. It's not the worst case scenario, but it's not much better.

>> No.2691879

>>2691878
I know it's just your opinion, but your opinion happens to be garbage.

>> No.2691880

>>2691879
No, thems the facts.

>> No.2691918

>>2691786
While not as much as an orange, apples have a non-trivial amount of vitamin C.
>>2691849
Oranges are a good source of fiber.

>> No.2691926

>>2691880

Seeing as how Metroid Prime is highly regarded by most, I'd say:

1: That is definitely opinion
2: Your opinion sucks
3: You don't know what "opinion" means

>> No.2692085

>>2691878
You could argue that Prime is "not like the 2D Metroids", but since you're not actually arguing anything or providing any argumentation whatsoever instead of simply state muscle memory-worthy two word assessments, it's barely even worth it trying to refute that.

The original and the two sequels combined the most general gameplay elements in the era for action, non-arcade-type games (2d shooter and platforming) with an open world and a focus on exploration. Prime does exactly that, with the appropiately updated sensibilities (i.e. 3d shooter and still, platforming), keeping the tone and, more importantly, structure of the previous games.

That IS a best case scenario, back when Nintendo still had a little confidence in their eye for innovation.

>> No.2692105

2D Castlevania is better than 2D Metroid.

3D Metroid is better than 3D Castlevania.

>> No.2692148

>>2692105
Man, that's a really tough call, but I'm inclined to agree. Especially if we're including all titles and not just the retro games.

>> No.2692149
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>>2691761
>>2691761
Does it matter?

I'm too sad that both franchises are dead to have a dick measuring contest about them.

>> No.2692151

>>2692105
Classicvania vs Metroid, I could go either way, but Metroid is hands down better than Metroidvania

>> No.2692153

>>2692149
>Metroid gets it's entire word in there

>> No.2692156

>>2692151
This.

I prefer Classicvania to Metroid in general, but there's not one metroidvania that is better than any Metroid game

>> No.2692167

>>2692153
Castlevania gets more syllables, though.
the opposite, Castletroid, sounds incredibly dumb.

>> No.2692170

Seems like this is the appropriate thread to ask, are there any more games like Metroid and Metroidvania? Both retro and non-retro. Cheers in advance.

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>>2691878

>> No.2692197

>>2692085
>it's barely even worth it trying to refute that.

I'm fine with that, because you'd be wrong and I don't give two shits about reading it. I wasn't stating it to have a debate, I was explaining you were wrong. Not trying to convince you of said fact.

I too am glad that Super Metroid introduced scanning. I don't know how I'd ever have explored an area without having to stop every five paces for the game to let me know I've enabled access to an elevator panel. Seriously though, fuck off. It'd be better if your kind of didn't even barely attempted to refute it.

P.S.
Thanks for doing your part in shitting on gaming. I don't know what we would have ever done if developers kept on making decent games.

>> No.2692202

>>2691926
This is /vr/ not /v/ or reddit. If you wanted to use ad pops, you can go there and spout them for all the retarded E-cred you want. They don't earn you shit here.

>> No.2692219 [DELETED] 
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Classicvania >>>>> Metroid > shit > Igavania

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>>2692219

>> No.2692262

I like that we're talking about Metroid a lot lately.

There really are more good 2D Castlevanias. That doesn't mean that there aren't more bad ones though, even Metroid 1 is way better than the average. Also if Castlevania's transition to 3D had been as successful then they wouldn't have produced as many 2D games afterward.

>> No.2692280

>>2692151
>>2692156
>>2692219
but SotN is the best CV game

>> No.2692292

Classicvania > Metroid/Igavania

I liked SoTN but playing the other igavanias feels very redundant. As for Metroid i beat Super Metroid and Zero Mission, and honestly i don't get the love for these games at all, they are decent but not fantastic.

>> No.2692306

>>2692197
>I don't know how I'd ever have explored an area without having to stop every five paces for the game to let me know I've enabled access to an elevator panel.
The only time scanning is ever required in the Metroid Prime series is to activate a handful of elevators and door panels, which is functionally no different from hitting them with your power beam or hitting the up button to activate a platform in other games. The feature is almost entirely optional flavor text and you can run through the entire game barely touching it.

If scanning destroyed the pacing of Metroid Prime to the point where its incomparable with the 2D titles it's your own fault.

>> No.2692314 [DELETED] 

Sotinfags getting blown the fuck out ITT

>> No.2692392

>>2692170
La Mulana

>> No.2692502

>>2692170
>>2692392
Cave Story would probably count too

>> No.2692535

>>2691926
Call of Duty confimed better than metroid prime

>> No.2692539

>>2692280
for shitty babies who need a virtual playpen

>> No.2692574

>>2692219
Aria is best though :^)

>> No.2692604

>>2692539
>for shitty babies who need a virtual playpen
that's what Classicvanias are, quite actually

>> No.2692612 [DELETED] 

>>2692604
SOTNoobs can't even clear a pre-IGA cv so not really.

>> No.2692617

>>2692604
casue classivanias are loaded with checkpoints and an inventory to help you keep yourself alive or make a certain boss easier.

Fuck outta here you stupid kid.

b-b-b-but muh exploration, if you call crawling around a playpen exploration ya sure there is tons of that

>> No.2692641 [DELETED] 

>>2692617
>an inventory to help you keep yourself alive or make a certain boss easier.

what are subweapons like holy water and the cross

>> No.2692657

>>2692641
Limited pickups with ammo that you cant just spam, everyone one of your shitty points is so easily refutable. There is nothing wrong with SoTN its a fun game but its till baby tier easy.

>> No.2692674

>>2692612
Hey. Hey now.

Does Rondo PSP remake count?

>> No.2692675
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>>2692657
>that you cant just spam

>> No.2692679

>>2692306
>If scanning destroyed the pacing of Metroid Prime to the point where its incomparable with the 2D titles it's your own fault.
Nah, the movement and pacing did that. 2D metroid is fucking hyperspace. Primes are like a lazy drive in your brand new Ford T.
But scanning doesn't help. Also, learn to read too.

>> No.2692685

>>2692675
how do you spam holy water without exploiting heart pickups? The game gives you enough ammo to work with stop being a fucking retard

>> No.2692709

>>2692674
>>2692604
>>2692612
>>2692641
>>2692617
I really wish Castlevania threads weren't sprawling with cancer.

>> No.2692721

Metroid vania fans are the type of fags that watch nickleodeon nigger turtles and have the audacity to say its better than mirage cause its newer.

>> No.2692743

>>2692721
I really wish Castlevania threads weren't sprawling with cancer.

>> No.2692807

>>2692743
I really wish Castlevania threads didnt even have SoTN fags saying it was the best one cause it was the only one they played and trying the others in an emulator for 5 seconds doesn't count.

>> No.2692914 [DELETED] 

>>2692743
If you want a hugbox with no hurt feelings, maybe you should try /r/castlevania on Reddit.

>> No.2692919

>>2692914
I really wish Castlevania threads weren't sprawling with cancer.

>>2692807
I really wish Castlevania threads weren't sprawling with cancer.

>> No.2692963

>>2692919
If wishes were horse skeletons everyone would die

>> No.2693053

>>2691761
Metroid only because its fanbase doesn't shit our board up with non retro garbage.

>> No.2693163 [DELETED] 

>>2693053
Are you high? The Primes, Fusion and Zero Mission get brought up in every Metroid thread.

>> No.2693194

>>2693163
That's not against the rules or wrong, though, sequels are free to be discussed in relation to /vr/ games.

What's bad with the Castlevania threads is that they are an endless torrent of the most petty motherfuckers in the world trying to assert dominance by insisting that their favorite game is the only good one and that this other kind in the series is cancer and killed it, and a lot of vice versa.

I've never seen fans of one series be so divisive and vitriolic.

>> No.2693276 [DELETED] 

>>2692919
>SOTN isn not the best castlevania

>ur fucken cancer! GTFO I am le hardcore retro gamer

>> No.2693948

>>2693276
I never said that SoTN is the best, I think it's way too easy and the upside down castle is kind of a letdown.

I just really wish Castlevania threads weren't sprawling with cancer.

>> No.2694230

>>2692149
>>2692151
>>2692156
>>2692170
Can someone please explain to me why we use the term "metroidvania"? I can understand SOTN is called like that, but if we're talking about other games with non linear exploration shouldn't they just be called "metroid-style" games?

>> No.2694327

>>2694230
Because the only metroid game that really did it was Super Metroid. 8 bit metroid wasn't actually about exploration and figuring out where you can go so much as trying to figure out what the roadblock currently actually is. SotN introduced RPG elements that are ubiquitous in the genre, but never appear in any Metroid game.

Super Metroid created the genre, Igavania set the broader tone.

>> No.2694331

>>2694327
Super Metroid has no RPG elements. So it didn't create the metroidvanias, just Metroid.

>> No.2694651

>>2692170
Try Ufouria and Adventure Island 4. Both were early famicom/nes exploration based action platforms with exploration, items, and skills to gain in order to proceed in an open, interconnected world.

>> No.2694684

>>2691761
pre-SOTN Castlevania > Metroid > post-SOTN Castlvania

I just don't like Metroidvania.

>> No.2694823

Why can't everyone just get alone and respect each others opinion?

>> No.2694826

>>2694823
*along

>> No.2695106

It's threads like this that make me wonder if I stumbled onto /v/

>> No.2696208

They're both great and will always stand as two of gaming's greatest.

>> No.2698375

>>2691918
/thread

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>> No.2698589

>>2691761
I like grapes tbh.

>> No.2698731

>>2692170
Google 'Iji game'. That's eye jay eye

>> No.2698806

>>2698479
Am I reaching, or does that remind me of Dark Souls level layout?

>> No.2698835

>>2691768
They are both fruit.

>> No.2698842

>>2698806
Well considering Dark Souls is a metroidvania game you're not wrong.

>> No.2700009

>>2698479
>tfw you can identify the game from the map

>> No.2700252

>>2691878
Yeah I know Other M was shit.

>> No.2700268

>>2694230
You could say metroidesque but that doesn't really explain how it's like metroid. And saying it's metroid style is still partially vague. Saying it's a metroidvania explicitly refers to pseudo-open exploration platformer which opens up with upgradabilities. Action-adventure platformer is synonymous with the term metroidvania.

>> No.2703187

>>2700009
>tfw you remember the map music just by looking

>> No.2703201

To the couple of Castlevania fans in this thread, feel free to vote for the best (read: your favorite) CV game in the poll below.

http://strawpoll.me/5579883

The last thread got deleted because of australians and blatant /v/ freshmen, something which unfortuately seems to have become the norm for Castlevania fandom on /vr/.

>> No.2703943

>>2691761
Metroid games paced themselves. Castlevania went completely batshit releasing shitty sequels left and right during the GBA/NDS days.

>> No.2703949

>>2692149
Castlevania is alive an well, with all its erotic violence and intense pachinko action.

>> No.2703952

>>2692280
More like the easiest VC game. Best one is either Rondo of Blood or Bloodlines.

>> No.2703963

>>2692292
>Classicvania > Metroid
No, never. Not even the first one of each.

>> No.2703965

>>2692306
People tend to forget about the X-ray beam, which provided similar functionality in Super.

>> No.2703968

>>2692679
You know someone ran out of arguments when they start using clumsy car analogies. You'll never get any hipster cred for pretending to hate the prime games, dipshit.

>> No.2703969

>>2694327
>8 bit metroid wasn't actually about exploration and figuring out where you can go so much as trying to figure out what the roadblock currently actually is.
Irrelevant, all the original metroid 1 and 2 were missing was an automap.

>> No.2703972

>>2694684
>pre-SOTN Castlevania > Metroid
Sure, if you enjoy stiff controls and horrible jumping.

>> No.2704818

Why does most of /vr/ shit on SotN and SCIV ? Is it because they're easier than other CVs? Or because they're the most popular ones ?

>> No.2706251

Castlevania has a number of great games and they all have great music.

Metroid only has Super Metroid going for it.

>> No.2706381

>>2692170
Shadow Complex is probably the best Metroidvania I've ever played.
Some complain about the short length, but it's a fucking Metroidvania, of course it's going to be short.

>> No.2706858

>>2692151
>any Castlevania which doesn't allow you to jump while walking the stairs
>best
Pick one.

>> No.2706862

>>2706858
Didn't mean to quote, sorry.

>> No.2706876

>>2706251

The only retro Metroid game I played was Return of Samus and I actually loved it. Felt way more challenging and intense than Symphony of the Night, I was impressed with how a GB game could have such atmosphere.

The other one I played was Fusion on the GBA which I enjoyed but it's not retro.

I still need to play Metroid 1 and Super.

That said, I prefer the classic Castlevania games over what I played of Metroid. But both series are amazing, I think anyone who liked SOTN should like the Metroid games and viceversa.

>> No.2706897

>>2692292
I agree. Better thought with level layout with more fun platforming rather than most rooms feeling like filler in Metriod/Igavania's. It is balanced for your set path and it is fun were as the other two have to take in mind going back and fourth from two or more directions. Eventually that just becomes busy work when you get a new item or skill to finally progress your game and you have to go back to that area in which you need to use the item.

Classivania is straight to the point and it is great due to that.

>> No.2706914

>>2706897
Classicvania is literally just Super Mario with whips and vampires.

>> No.2706916

>>2706914

no, they play differently.

>> No.2706920

>>2706916
Hence the "whips and vampires" part.

>> No.2709014
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>>2691761


Metroid, of course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8if6B_cpGw

>> No.2709016

Castlevania
Original metroid was mediocre, Super Metroid is overrated and the other games are boring.

First Castlevania is really good and the series managed to at least remain interesting through the ages and consoles - specially the portables (gba - ds) and had Symphony of the Night