/orgg/ - Overrated Retro Games General

[Anonymous No.2670081]

What videogames do you consider to be overrated, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.2670086]

[Anonymous No.2670087]

>>2670081
Super Mario 2
its fucking boring

[Anonymous No.2670089]

Chrono trigger
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country

am i doing this meme right?

[Anonymous No.2670091]

FF6 is the most over rated FF, FF7 can back it up with gameplay diversity in your materia setups and certain equipment setups with your party. FF6 has no such thing. FF7 also has fun minigames and enjoyable content, which FF6 lacks.

Xenogears. Chrono Cross. Are especially bad.

[Anonymous No.2670094]

>>2670081
>don't you hate it when people like things? let's get angry about stuff being popular!

[Anonymous No.2670097]

pretty much every "overrated game" thread lately begins with metal gear solid 1, no exception

interesting trend

[Anonymous No.2670104]

>>2670097
That's because MGSV just came out and kids have been playing it for the first time.

The game was groundbreaking when it came out

[Anonymous No.2670109]

Oh look, it's that bait thread.

>>2670097

Are you really this new.

[Anonymous No.2670119]

>>2670097
>trend
apparently someone is trying to force a meme
https://archive.moe/vr/search/image/FiQwPxwEZpxQydK4F2K-8g/type/op/

[Anonymous No.2670121]

>>2670081
ur mum...
she had this great rep, but was extremely easy and had no replay value

[Anonymous No.2670132]

>>2670097

[Anonymous No.2670136]

>>2670119

At this point the mod could create a filter since the retard never change the formula.

[Anonymous No.2670141]

>>2670136
>/vr/
>mods
good 1 m8

[Anonymous No.2670151]

>>2670141

I know that we have a janitor that doesn't care.
That spam thread with the russian youtuber was the perfect proof.

[Anonymous No.2670158]

>>2670151
The quality of moderation went downhill when MOOT left 4chan. All his mods that were only here to be close to him and suck his weenie abandoned ship. >why do all this work and i don't even get to be moots pet

That said, I like the more lax moderation.
Keep up the good work MODS

[Anonymous No.2670435]

>>2670089
>no zelda
>no eb
>no conkers
epic maymay fail

[Anonymous No.2670438]

>>2670435
;_; I tried my best senpai

[Anonymous No.2670450]

>>2670435
>>2670438

Are troll groups still on IRC ?

[Anonymous No.2670456]

>>2670450
>troll groups

[Anonymous No.2670480]

Ted Woolsey
Working Designs
etc.

[Anonymous No.2670492]

>>2670480
>WD
I've seen more people complain about their localizations than anything, like adding too many pop culture references or breaking gameplay.

[Anonymous No.2670507]

>>2670492
That's mostly /vr/ though. WD is praised everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.2670517]

>>2670507
No fuck you, WD absolutely shits on their localizations with off-colour wrestling references and turning characters gay just so they can hedge in some fudgepacker epithets.

"What if instead of her being a wise sage, we turn Halak into a WWWWWWACKY horny old crone who talks like Yoda?"

[Anonymous No.2670521]

>Super Mario Bros 3
>Super Mario 64
>Fucking ANYTHING made by Rare
>The Legend of Zelda
>Metroid

[Anonymous No.2670532]

>>2670456
That movie is terrible.

[Anonymous No.2670540]

>>2670532
>That movie is terrible.
pleb detected

[Anonymous No.2670549]

The original System Shock.

[Anonymous No.2670551]

>>2670549

Nigga you high if you think SS1 gets much love or even *could* be overrated.

[Anonymous No.2670564]

Every popular game that I didn't own as a kid.

[Anonymous No.2670572]

Super Mario World

[Anonymous No.2670601]

>>2670564
I agree with this.

Also this is for OP.

[Anonymous No.2670651]

>>2670081
It has aged horribly

[Anonymous No.2670654]

>>2670091
FF6 has like 13 characters with different abilities.

that's 17160 different possible party combinations, without even going into how you might customize each character's equipment and stat gains and spell selection

[Anonymous No.2670697]

>>2670654
Just because those combinations tickle your tism doesn't mean it's not overrated.

[Anonymous No.2670768]

>>2670697
It's underrated. 7 is awful, 6 rules the roost - and you just don't get it!

[Anonymous No.2670779]

[Anonymous No.2670786]

>>2670768
>you're not autistic
That was my point spergboi

[Anonymous No.2670805]

Chrono Trigger. First half of the game is a 10/10. But the second half is too repetitive, and dull. I think most gamers who scream Chrono Trigger is the best RPG ever, have not played the whole game. So there only witnessed the good parts.

Not many sidequests in Chrono Trigger, either. You pretty much go from point A to point B.

[Anonymous No.2670810]

>>2670654
>that's 17160 different possible party combinations, without even going into how you might customize each character's equipment and stat gains and spell selection
I never really thought about that. I also never knew how broken Gau and Relm really are until I started reading /vr/.

[Anonymous No.2670813]

>>2670805
but all the sidequests are at the end of the game...

[Anonymous No.2670820]

>>2670813
The beginning of the game at least had a bunch of branching events you can take although they all converge at the same result in the end.

[Anonymous No.2670823]

>>2670820
Are you sure you aren't thinking of FF6?

[Anonymous No.2670845]

>>2670805
This

[Anonymous No.2670856]

>>2670779
Konami didnt make very good beat em ups in general.
That doesnt mean they arent great mindless fun, 6 players X-Men is fun even though it has less depth than the easiest Kirby game.

[Anonymous No.2670859]

i don't like 3d platformers

[Anonymous No.2671010]

>>2670480
>>2670517
b-but MUH CHARMS.

It's pretty sad that not every one of these has been fan-translated to their original intent, "the story is dull" or no. It would be nice to have the intended story in English, if only for curiousity's sake and to be able to play it without the gameplay changes in the case of WD.

Secret of Mana needs a straight one especially badly because of just how much dialog was cut (almost all of it). There's a hack that extends the dialog but it's mostly fanwank.

[Anonymous No.2671083]

ITT: We pretend good games aren't good because other people think the they are good.

[Anonymous No.2671087]

>>2671083
Overrated doesn't mean the games are not good.

[Anonymous No.2671139]

>>2670136

at this point it has become evident that mods here are either non existent or could care less.

[Anonymous No.2671148]

Hipster trash

[Anonymous No.2671156]

>>2670081
nah

>>2670087
yes

>>2670521
no
yes
no
no
no

>>2670564
yes

>>2670805
no

[Anonymous No.2671161]

>>2670086

This so much.

[Anonymous No.2671172]

Goldeneye. Dear god, Goldeneye.

[Anonymous No.2671174]

>>2670859
don't like 2d platformers here

[Anonymous No.2671187]

>>2670081
Donkey Kong Country
Considering the massive number of grade A platform games this game was very mediocre. I'll take another play through of Mario World, Megaman X, or Castlevania any day over it or another trip back to some NES platformers.


The Elder Scrolls
Probably not so much on /v/ but every time one of these comes out Failstop is full of people staring the graphics in the trailer and all I can ever think is that these games are ugly as fuck on the textures and always have been.

Fallout
First ones are boring, fuck that music and sound design, 3 was buggy, and NV was buggier.

Ocarina of Time
Was not as good as the previous games. Combat was less intense when it should have been more so, exploration was weaker then many games of its time, fuck ugly even for its time like most N64, too damn slow yet world too damn small, it wasn't bad, but it is never ever okay too feel like going from one place to another is a pain in the ass in a Zelda game.

Goldeneye
Neat concepts and great game really, but Quake was out at the time and had I known what Quake was long Goldeneye would not have been nearly so impressive to me.

Mass Effect
I think it just went over well for being a Scifi RPG, because frankly it lacked a lot of polish and missed out a ton on the space side of the space RPG. This one of this list isn't bad though, but god damn let me explore in a space game and give me a moral choice with more impact than being an obvious Jesus figure or slightly douche Jesus.

[Anonymous No.2671192]

>>2671187
Worst opinions: the post

[Anonymous No.2671201]

>>2671192
Yessss let the hate flow through you.

[Anonymous No.2671204]

>>2671187
>fuck ugly even for its time like most N64
Eh, it was the 5th gen, of course the 3D's gonna be fugly for the most part. That said I thought most N64 games still looked better than most PS1 games.

[Anonymous No.2671214]

>>2671148
>>2671148
>>2671148
>>2671148
>>2671148

This so much

[Anonymous No.2671219]

>>2671204
It wasn't the 3D. I can deal with low poly.

N64 was fuck ugly because it couldn't really use much for textures because of the choke point in its VGA was if I recall a 4kb buffer. So it palette colors the games with flat shades. So gone were the video sprites of previous Zelda games. Nothing to do with early 3D, everything to do with a hardware limitation that shouldn't have been there.

[Anonymous No.2671223]

>>2671219
Sorry not sure why I typed video was suppose to be beautiful...shit wasn't even close yay migraines.

[Anonymous No.2671229]

>>2671219
>It wasn't the 3D. I can deal with low poly.
But I wasn't talking about just the 3D.

I wouldn't even call the spritework of the previous Zelda games "beautiful" honestly. With a few exceptions they also looked pretty simplistic and ugly for the most part.

[Anonymous No.2671236]

>>2671219
>because of the choke point in its VGA was if I recall a 4kb buffer
meanwhile on PS1...

[Anonymous No.2671259]

>>2671187
>Mass Effect on /vr/
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8

[Anonymous No.2671264]

>>2670654
> 17160

14 choose 4 = 1001.

[Anonymous No.2671360]

Pic very related. No seriously, how can this insipid crap be considered a classic by any stretch of the imagination? Even ignoring Final Fantasy there are scores of other JRPGs which utterly blow LoD out of the water.

[Anonymous No.2671367]

Pic very related. No seriously, how can this insipid crap be considered a classic by any stretch of the imagination?

[Anonymous No.2671374]

>>2670091
Chrono Cross is pretty widely reviled though.

Anyway I'd say FF8 is much worse. It's literally inferior to FF7 in every way sans graphics. Then again it is one of the most hated games in the series, and for good reason too.

>>2670805
Chrono Trigger really is a fantastic game but I agree the fanbase is annoying as fuck, even more so than FF7 fankids.

[Anonymous No.2671396]

>>2670081
>>2670086
>>2670087
>>2670089
>>2670091
>>2670094
>>2670097
>>2670104
>>2670109
>>2670119
>>2670121
>>2670132
>>2670136
>>2670141
>>2670151
>>2670158
>>2670435
>>2670438
>>2670450
>>2670456
>>2670480
>>2670492
>>2670507
>>2670517
>>2670521
>>2670532
>>2670540
>>2670549
>>2670551
>>2670564
>>2670572
>>2670601
>>2670651
>>2670654
>>2670697
>>2670768
>>2670779
>>2670786
>>2670805
>>2670810
>>2670813
>>2670820
>>2670823
>>2670845
>>2670856
>>2670859
>>2671010
>>2671083
>>2671087
>>2671139
>>2671148
>>2671156
>>2671161
>>2671172
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>>2671187
>>2671192
>>2671201
>>2671204
>>2671214
>>2671219
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>>2671229
>>2671236
>>2671259
>>2671264
>>2671367
>>2671374
This so much.

[Anonymous No.2671497]

[Anonymous No.2672567]

>>2671497
Agreed.

Pic related is fucking horrible and quite possibly the most overrated video game in history. I hate this piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.2672568]

>>2670654
>that's 17160 different possible party combinations

[Anonymous No.2672586]

>>2672567
Did you get past the first level?

[Anonymous No.2672626]

>>2672586
Yeah, and then I dropped it because not only was the gameplay a clunky unenjoyable shitfest, the game was also giving me eye cancer on top of it.

And I really hope you're not implying this game is hard m8, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.2672653]

This board is the pinnacle of circlejerking for this game

[Anonymous No.2672654]

Good game, but has more praise than it deserves. Specifically it's soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.2672656]

>>2670086
Speaking of. I wanted to try the beacause translation for the PC version but couldn't find a compatible version. Link?

[Anonymous No.2672662]

Mortal Kombat 1, 2, and 3

Mortal Kombat is not, and has never been, a good fighting game series. It survived solely on the edgy blood and gore effects that have become tame by today's standards.

Take away the blood and guts and all you're left with is a sub-par fighting game.

[Anonymous No.2672679]

I still find 3 to be superior in everyway manageable. I really don't know why 2 was ao popular besides it being the first game to not be 1.

[Anonymous No.2672698]

>>2672662

Agreed, MK is trash

[Anonymous No.2672761]

>>2672662
well I like the characters and the setting, but yea I have tried to love MK over the years but I just can't get into it.

[Anonymous No.2672763]

>>2672653
I think this is overrated as well. I played it just like everyone else but I can't remember a thing about it. I have fond memories of other games from that generation and before but none for OoT. That tells me it probably wasn't that good.

[Anonymous No.2672781]

>>2672662

DBZ Super Butoden 2 is as stiff as MK but without any fun and somehow is considered a masterpiece here

[Anonymous No.2672829]

>>2672698
Thirded. I hate that it has become this...unkillable beast that just won't die. Fuck you, midway.

[Anonymous No.2672841]

>>2670081
well meme'd fellow gentle sir

[Anonymous No.2672976]

FUCK THIS MEME.

[Anonymous No.2672979]

Pretty much all the big games on the original playstation.

FF7, Metal Gear Solid, Ridge Racer, Poochie Bandicoot. All of them. Such a terrible console.

[Anonymous No.2672982]

I never got the love for FFVI/FFIII

The game just felt extremely boring imo.

[Anonymous No.2672987]

Every popular or well liked game.

Can you see how much better I am than everyone else?

[Anonymous No.2673001]

Jesus 4chan got really fucking gay, you fags are like reddit

[Anonymous No.2673012]

>>2672662

Not retro but 9 and X are good fun imo. I agree that the rest of the series is pretty garbage though.

[Anonymous No.2673104]

Man, cuckchan got really bad since we left.

[Anonymous No.2673273]

>>2671396
epic xD

[Anonymous No.2673356]

>>2673104
I agree.

[Anonymous No.2673357]

>>2673104
who is this "we" you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.2673408]

/Orgg/asms are really overrated.

[Anonymous No.2673417]

>>2672662
How old are you? I remember that even back in the day, my friends and I never acknowledged these as good technical fighters to begin with. We only played for the outlandishness.

[Anonymous No.2673421]

Alright I know I'll be crucified for this since it is basically the pinnacle of human achievement but I have to come out and say it. Halo 2 is better.

[Anonymous No.2673426]

>>2673357
He's talking about the couple thousand autists over at cripchan. Place is a legit shithole with literally the crustiest neckbeards the internet has to offer. It is nice that it's been sectioned off as its own containment zone though. Avoid.

[Anonymous No.2673427]

>>2670081
>guys i posted it again! XDDD

[Anonymous No.2673431]

>>2672567
>>2672626
>i am 12 and what is this
there, fixed
it's because of spoiled little faggots like you that game design came to revolve around how many billions of texels per millisecond rather than complex and innovative gameplay, i hope you die of ball cancer

[Anonymous No.2673434]

>>2673431
I'm 29 years old actually and played it at release. Sorry bud.

[Anonymous No.2673463]

>>2673434
you could be 50 and it'd still be your fault AAA gaming went to shit

[Anonymous No.2673472]

>>2673463
Ahahaha. Yeah maybe one day I'll finally feel ashamed for not enjoying games with ass for gameplay. Until then all I can do is laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.2673687]

>>2673463
It's ironic seeing someone defending Deus Ex saying that given how shit it was. But no yeah lowering your standards for a game that plays like shit and is awful was totally the right choice for a few non-innovative ideas and noncomplex gameplay being thrown in.
Deux Ex fits right in with modern AAA gaming. Lots of lack of creativity, lots of slow, lots of poor programming and poorly implementing tech that's been working for ages, shit plot while trying to be overly cinematic. About the only thing it misses is the strict linearity.
I could only imagine how the world would look like if Deus Ex had sequels. Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.2673694]

>>2673463
Can someone explain to me why the term AAA is treated like it has been a major part of gaming for years, yet despite being on the internet longer than is socially acceptable to admit I've only been hearing this subjective marketing term in the past few years?

Also why is there this overwhelmingly autistic belief that "big budget" automatically translates into "quality"? That is not how it works. Throwing a pile of money at mediocre devs does not make them better at what they do. This isn't a freemium game where money skips the grind.

[Anonymous No.2673701]

>>2672654
>Everyone loves Megaman 1-3
>Play it
>Pretty good
>People hates 4-6 because MUH CHARGED SHOT
>Play it
>There are a lot of improvements n those games.

I hate people sometimes.

[Anonymous No.2673713]

>>2673701
People argue that they're too easy and shit.

I think 6 is the best one tbh.

[Anonymous No.2673723]

I would argue that Chrono Trigger actually stands up and as a "casual" JRPG its good.

I beat it in 12 hours, doing every sidequest and going through the Black Omen once, I finished it at level 48 with Crono, Ayla and Robo.

Minimal grinding. The story is very focused and while I agree the story takes a bit of a downturn after Magus' Castle because the pace does slow down because you're doing a lot of "boring" stuff like going through Zeal and then doing the "sneaking" segment and such.

The Sidequests are "short" but they also help to finish off a lot of the characters individual storylines, which is a lot better then most JRPG's sidequests which involves usually some super unrelated thing.

Is it over rated? Yes.

Is it bad? No.

Its a solid 8/10 - 10/10 depending on how you feel about JRPG's. Its one of the shortest JRPG's and if you fight the battles as they come you'll never be really underleveled and some of the bosses can make you swap up your gear or strategies a bit.

[Anonymous No.2673725]

>>2673694
Game journalists have been using the phrase "AAA" since at least the 90's and the concept of grading things by a letter rank has existed long before the video games or the Internet. Your personal ignorance of the phrase despite your "vast Internet experience" is irrelevant. I don't understand why you feel the need to hate on the term other than that you're looking for a "new" buzzword to trash which is weird because you don't seem to mind throwing around the word "autistic" to describe everything you don't like.

[Anonymous No.2673732]

>>2673725
>Game journalists
*development companies

[Anonymous No.2673735]

>>2673713
>4 is a challenge from cossack 4
>in 5 Darkman is pretty fucking hard
>6 well... that one is easier.

All of em are pretty much god-tier, but i've never got the hate from 4-6.

[Anonymous No.2673746]

>>2670859
>i don't like 3d platformers
That's not really a valid complaint.
I don't like spreadsheet simulators, but I don't sit there and bitch that they're overrated for being good spreadsheet simulators.
Things are rated for what they are.

If you don't like 3D platformers you're not going to like any of them, it doesn't matter how good they are. They could literally make the perfect fucking 3D platform in every way and you'd still not like it. It would be by definition the perfect game but you still wouldn't like it. That's not the definition of overrated, that's the opposite of overrated. You're underrating that game. That game is the fucking best 3D platformer ever and you rated it poorly because you don't like the genre - that's underrating. You have underrated that game because of your personal bias against the genre.

Liking a game is not necessary to rate it as a good game. Chess is a pretty fucking solid game, I'm not crazy about chess myself. Chess plays to two of my greatest weaknesses - lack of observational prowess and poor memory (especially in the case of the mundane). The two factors basically needed more than anything to excel in the game. So essentially, I genetically suck at the game and practice will barely help that, that's not the game's fault but it's not fun for me. Still as I said, not the game's fault. The game does what it does and it does it well enough. But it's not designed for the kind of play that incentivizes or is rewarding for an individual such as myself there's no reason for me to play it. So I get no benefit from playing it myself.

[Anonymous No.2673759]

>>2672662
MK9 is pretty good though.

[Anonymous No.2673769]

>>2670081
MGS = MG2 but in 3D and cinematics.

[Anonymous No.2673772]

ITT: /v/

[Anonymous No.2673774]

Super Metroid. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but I dont think it deserves the near perfect reviews everyone gives it. Also i think sotn is better

[Anonymous No.2673776]

>>2673772
Pretty much, except for the WD stuff and LoD.

That's thrown around a lot here.

[Anonymous No.2673817]

>>2672654
I actually find 3 to be more overrated than 2, sure there's the Wily music thing, but everyone loves the MM3 opening music just as much. 3 just has so many glaring flaws even moreso than the first game that I can't see why anyone would rate it as high as 2, 4 or 6.

[Anonymous No.2673819]

When did /vr/ become /v/'s backyard? Genuine question

When the new boards were released this was a fantastic place for actual discussion, and stayed like that for several months. I come back and this is now a toned down /v/

[Anonymous No.2673826]

>>2673819
Janitors' fault for not taking out the trash.

[Anonymous No.2673827]

>>2673819
Nice meme

[Anonymous No.2673828]

>>2673826
This.

We're not the only board suffering either. Apparently /int/ has been through the ringer at least. The Hot Pocket Man shortage gets worse I guess.

[Anonymous No.2673829]

>>2670779
Yeah, this game is pretty bad looking back on it.

[Anonymous No.2673835]

>>2673819
Same :(
so much calling people faggots
so little vidyo games

[Anonymous No.2673836]

am I the only one who only played mgs1 and never played the other ones and pretended like they never existed because mgs1 by itself was perfect?

[Anonymous No.2673964]

>>2673836
I played MGS2, but yeah, more or less I don't think the follow ups were really able to capture the same essence or mystique of MGS1.

Also, fuck trolls, they won't ruin my board. I've been coming to 4chan since 2006, and VR is literally the last board left that I give a damn about.

[Anonymous No.2673984]

>>2673836

I've played 1 through 4 and enjoyed them all, but not any of them as much as the first. I still recommend playing them though, they're still extremely good and memorable in their own right.

[Anonymous No.2673986]

>>2670779
your just butthurt you get pwned by Slash

[Anonymous No.2674003]

>>2673986
>get pwned
>in a piss-easy game
lol

[Anonymous No.2674038]

>>2673694
AAA gaming just used to mean the best games... and the "best" games used to be good. It used to be the top of the iceberg, things like Quake, Doom, Unreal, Half Life, etc. This shit used to actually be good. Core gamers used to actually like "AAA" games. Of course in the past there wasn't even really a concept of "core gamers vs casuals" since all video games were pretty much made for "core gamers." Then somewhere in Gen 7 things started to change, some might even argue in Gen 6, and AAA gaming, with its huge budgets, became dumbed down and made to cater to millions of retards to sell as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.2674047]

>>2673819

I remember /vr/ was a lot slower paced at first. Not the first few days, but like a month or so since its birth and until maybe a year ago, it was a slower board than it is now, less shitposting, less reposting.

I think we just got new regulars, and having more activity means it's easier for epin trollaz to bait.
Also the janitor thing, I noticed moderation changed in the past few months. Changed as in it became nil.

[Anonymous No.2674072]

>>2673759
9 and X are steps in the right direction, sure, but they're far from good fighters.

The problem is that I honestly don't know if Nether Realm is too stupid to know what makes a good fighter, too incompetent to make a good fighter, or just too stubborn to remove the problems that have always held MK back.

For every thing that 9 and X did right, you have shit like dial-a-combos (which requires 0 execution) and the infamous block button that has plagued MK since its inception. Is it that Nether Realm is too proud to remove these problems, or do they just mistakenly believe that these are the things that make Mortal Kombat "Mortal Kombat"? Maybe they're just stupid? I honestly don't know, but MK still has a LONG way to go before it can be placed in the same league as other fighters

As it stands now, new MK games continue to survive on gruesome spectacles and remain interesting for about as long as it takes to just watch all of the new fatalities on Youtube

[Anonymous No.2674289]

Literally every single one of these games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best

Also, notice how almost all of these games were mentioned in this thread.

Coincidence?

[Anonymous No.2674301]

>>2674038
> It used to be the top of the iceberg, things like Quake, Doom, Unreal, Half Life, etc.

You will not find the phrase "AAA game" used in any type of media during the time period when those titles were released.

It's strictly a term that has arisen in the PS3/XBox 360/Wii generation to refer to high budget games with cinematics and voiceovers. This is to contrast them with lower budget indie games that you find on PSN or mobile games.

It strictly refers to the budget and marketing of the game and has never, and will never, have anything to do with the actual quality of the gameplay.

[Anonymous No.2674303]

>>2672662
>and all you're left with is a sub-par fighting game.
It definitely wasn't a good fighting game under that, but you drastically overestimate par for fighting games. It was far better than most. Fighting games largely have been clunky and poor messes.
Most fighting games weren't SNK or Street Fighter quality (not that weren't flawed as well). While still problematic their quality was significantly higher than most.
In a world of ballz, pit fighter, time killer, eternal champions, weapon lord, ultra man, TMNT, shaq fu, VR troopers, brutal, rise of the robots, world heroes, killer instinct, primal rage, power instinct, clay fighter, power rangers, double dragon, bruce lee, Championship Karate, doomsday warrior, power moves, street combat, ultimate fighter, karate champ and a slew of other arcade fighting games many of which were pretty awful. Mortal Kombat comes off looking above average.

But yeah, blood and gore was a selling point for it as well.

[Anonymous No.2674328]

>>2670450
yes you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.2674331]

>>2674328

Goddamn, you are all getting slow, step up your game senpai.

[Anonymous No.2674449]

>>2674047
It all fell apart when we discovered a copy of Garage and became known as "that board for le obscure retro games for hipster cred".

[Anonymous No.2674472]

>>2673776
LoD I can understand but what's wrong with WD?

[Anonymous No.2674505]

>>2674472
They were shit, mate.

[Anonymous No.2674560]

>>2674301
>It strictly refers to the budget and marketing of the game and has never, and will never, have anything to do with the actual quality of the gameplay.
Nope.

Long before I posted on 4chan I was on gamefaqs and they'd predict upcoming scores of games. AAA meant 90+, AA meant 80-90, A meant 70-80. It does indeed refer to the quality of the game my stupid 90's born friend.

[Anonymous No.2674579]

>>2670081
shadow of the colossus. pretty okay, but nothing special.
super mario bros. 1 - worst game i ever played.

[Anonymous No.2674580]

>>2674560
in the 90s every gaming magazine was bought out and gave reviews based on bribes.

[Anonymous No.2674628]

It is a shame since this thread actually had a lot of potential if people actually could discuss why the games are overrated instead of trying to bait people with "your favorite game sucks lmao"

For example:
>>2670081

It was groundbreaking for it's time but trying to play it today will show you what it is, which is a series of closed rooms with 3 enemies (with poor AI) at max on each where most of the time is spent with the plot than the gameplay. I'm not saying it's bad, I had fun with it and it definitely is worth a play through, but it is often overrated as this perfect game that it never was.

[Anonymous No.2674631]

>>2670091
Your criticism is an outright lie, FF VI has espers and magicite that add depth and customization to the game.
There are also relics that give new passive abilities such as holding 2 weapons at once. Some weapons also have built-in passive abilities that may or may not be useful depending on your character stats.
There are many optional quests and even characters, each with unique interesting abilities and rewards.

>enjoyable content
This is entirely subjective.

Do i even need to say where your post goes?

[Anonymous No.2674796]

>>2673434
Even worse. Now you have no excuse for being this retarded.

[Anonymous No.2674824]

>>2670091
Xenogears was on track to be overly long, but otherwise solid entry for its time until funding got cut for Chrono Cross.

Chrono Cross wasn't a truly horrible game, but suffered from both the needlessly large roster of playable characters, the lack of double/triple techs (and therefore a lack of mechanical reason to actually care who's in your party), and backlash from admittedly necessary plot points (the whole Chrono Trigger means jack shit thing).

[Anonymous No.2674831]

>>2670091
>FF7 can back it up with gameplay diversity in your materia setups
>Literally anyone can use the same materia
>The difference in stats is so minimal that the fact that anyone can use any materia makes all characters the same except for their limit breaks which are basically the same exact shit in the end with different damage multipliers except Tifa and Vincent.

FF7 IS the most overrated FF, especially thanks to a retarded fanbase.
>>2674824
>the lack of double/triple techs
What are those then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADzX4pwmuWg

Fucking hell, you cunts will even downright lie just to stroke your ego on your little games.

This really proves the point that the fanbases are the most cancerous and harmful part of videogames.

[Anonymous No.2674939]

>>2674796
Deux Ex is shit :)

[Anonymous No.2674945]

>>2674939
true.

[Anonymous No.2675006]

>>2674831
>FF7 is the most overrated FF

Lol, absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.2675026]

11 total double/triple techs out of 40 playable characters almost guarantees that some players wouldn't even find them. Half of them are with characters you can miss through plot choices.

[Anonymous No.2675031]

>>2670532
retard lmao

[Anonymous No.2675103]

Ubisoft games

[Anonymous No.2675110]

>>2670532
That's your life m8. Hackers is great.

[Anonymous No.2675123]

Popular games i don't like are overrated.

Games that i grew up with are underrated.

[Anonymous No.2675127]

Basically 98 to 99% of all NES games (which leaves 10 - 20 good ones).

[Anonymous No.2675172]

>>2674560
> gamefaqs
> calling someone else a 90's born friend.

1) You know that gamefaqs didn't exist when the games you listed were released, right?

2) When people use the phrase "AAA games," they aren't referring to gamefaq's review for it. They are referring to the budget and presentation of the game.

[Anonymous No.2675182]

>>2675172
>1) You know that gamefaqs didn't exist when the games you listed were released, right?
Not him, but gamefaqs was definitely around for the release of Quake, Half Life, and Unreal.

[Anonymous No.2675183]

>>2675172

GameFAQs launched a year before Quake came out. That shit's been around for a long time

[Anonymous No.2675187]

>>2674831
I just played through FF6 recently, and it does have one glaring flaw if you either know the game or use a guide to play through it:

> The game becomes game breakingly easy in the WoR once you get the Falcon thanks to the Coliseum and early Bum Rush.

You get shadow, equip him with the Momento Ring + Aegis shield. You equip Sabin with a Genji Glove + 2 claws, you equip Celes with a Falchion + Ice or Fire shield (later Minerva) and you just go to town getting Genji gear, great weapons and relics, etc.

Also, because everyone can use magic or special abilities you can keep everyone in the back row for the entire game except for Locke and Gau (who you just don't use).

When you get Locke, get the Ragnarok sword and later Illumina. That's a game breaking weapon that you just switch between Celes/Terra/Cyan (+ Merit Award). Why Cyan? Because his swdtech time sucks and you can put the valiant knife on Locke and make Edgar a dragoon. Cyan also has the highest natural strength in the game.

By the time you are done you can outfit an entire party with elemental immunity, great defense, great offense, and just cruise through the game at level 35-40. This is without even doing a 'moogle raid' in Kefka's tower.

At the time I definitely played the shit out of FFVI, but I can understand why an older crowd would think that the entry is sub-par, particularly if they read gamefaqs to help them through the game. The open world in the WoR is great for exploration the first time through or even the third time through, but once you know where everything is the game becomes LoL easy and there's little to no story to keep you hooked.

[Anonymous No.2675323]

>>2672979
Lol

[Anonymous No.2675326]

earthbound
most of the zelda series
crazy taxi

[Anonymous No.2675338]

not /vr/ but melee is garbage

[Anonymous No.2675756]

>>2674301
>You will not find the phrase "AAA game" used in any type of media during the time period when those titles were released.
I distinctly remember seeing "AAA" used to describe a game in Nintendo Power during the Gamecube era.

[Anonymous No.2675763]

Hentai games.

Most of the /vr/ relevant material either looks like shit, is terribly localized, or is just plain unfun. I think True Love was the only exception for me.

[Anonymous No.2675858]

>>2675756
Oh the GCN was released in 1995-1997 with those games?

[Anonymous No.2675884]

>>2671148
That game is so fucking grindy and the enemies get boring quick.

[Anonymous No.2675890]

>>2671367
LOL I remember how hard they were trying to push that generic meathead Lavitz Slambert and then they killed him and nobody cared! My friends and I thought it was so funny we still refer to that game as Legend of Lavitz.

[Anonymous No.2675898]

>>2672653
Nah dude, OoT is awesome! Remember that level where you go INSIDE A WHALE and have to save that annoying fish-bitch... who won't shut up... and ends up being just a noisy portable block to hold down annoying switches... and the pitfalls...
Okay! Bad example! Remember how intense the Wulfos were and you have to fight the CRAZY WOLF MEN and they'd just dance around you... and your camera couldn't keep up... and you ended up having to snap it back every 2 fucking seconds...
Okay! Bad example! Remember the water temple...

FUCK!

[Anonymous No.2676082]

>Mortal Kombat
Only got so popular because of the gore and edge. It doesn't even belong in the same dimension as actual, honed fighting games like SF or Virtua Fighter or what have you - too stiff and unrefined gameplay-wise. It's by all means a great game to play with friends when you're a teenager and it had an impact on me too but its popularity as a fighting game (look at all the fucking clones, for crying out loud) is unreasonable.

>FFIV
Legitimately the least flexible game in the series. Dull combat and fixed everything, even the first game had more varied party building. The vaunted story also wasn't all that to be honest. It's a quentessentially Japanese RPG (read: visual novel with grinding) but it's not an amazing game. I usually don't throw the term "nostalgiafag" around but I see no other reason to elevate IV over any other installment, ever.

[Anonymous No.2676096]

>>2675898
> Having problems fighting Wulfos
What? They'll slash and turn their back towards you. A jump attack will kill them in one hit.
And I don't even know what your problem with the camera is.

[Anonymous No.2676120]

>>2675898
>had trouble fighting wulfos
>water temple meme
>image from tumblr

Please tell me this is a poor troll. This whole thread is a magnet for trolling.

[Anonymous No.2676215]

>>2676096
The z-targeting was famously shitty in that game, so much so that they had to correct it for the new release. This z-targeting was especially noticeable while fighting Wulfos because of how fast they strafed. Problems with targeting on early N64 games are no secret. Either you're some ignorant child whose only played the DS version or your some pretentious hipster with a selective memory. Make your choice.

[Anonymous No.2676216]

>>2676215
I have really, definitely, positively never ever heard of this.

[Anonymous No.2676223]

>>2676120
Refer to the post above for Wulfos.
Constantly tweaking water levels, constantly switching between kokiri and iron boots, constantly backtracking. That temple is infamous for being a tedious slog. Boring =/= hard, you arrogant idiot.
What kind of fag cares about pic sources? I have no patience for your internet hipster bullshit and your socially sanctioned image sharing sites, you stupid child. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.2676225]

>>2676216
The choice is yours. Only you have the power.

[Anonymous No.2676239]

>>2676082
>Only got so popular because of the gore and edge.

No, everyone says that and it definitely was a factor but it got so popular because of marketing. You had MK ads even in the back of Street Fighter comics. They had a movie, cartoon, comics. There was that iconic commercial:

https://youtu.be/R8V7TwlYCt0

Plus the graphics were amazing. And it had ninjas.

[Anonymous No.2676263]

>>2676239
Yeah, the graphics were revolutionary. I'd agree that the gameplay isn't so impressive in hindsight, though. I enjoyed it at the time, but I definitely wouldn't go back.

[Anonymous No.2676269]

>>2676263
>gameplay isn't so impressive in hindsight
You're being kind, they're actually completely broken at high level, only UMK3 has any competitive value and it is mostly accidental. Only recently have they managed to make halfway decent competitive games.

[Anonymous No.2676271]

>your favourite sacred cow

[Anonymous No.2676281]

>>2676225
What you said doesn't make sense because once you lock targeting on an enemy it won't go away unless you cancel with down + z.
You can't adjust the camera without locking targets anyway.

[Anonymous No.2676282]

>>2676120
>Please tell me this is a poor troll.

Wow, you're a regular Einstein.

[Anonymous No.2676294]

>>2675898
>>2676215
>>2676225
>>2676282
Wtf, summer's supposed to be over.

[Anonymous No.2676303]

>>2676269
Can't argue there.

[Anonymous No.2676313]

>>2676269
>UMK3 has any competitive value and it is mostly accidental.
What is that?

[Anonymous No.2676323]

>>2676294
The Nintendo Power.

[Anonymous No.2676327]

>>2676313
I mean, it's still a broken game, but it's so broken that it kinda works. Like, human Smoke is just scorpion but faster and with a better combo, and then there is Kabal. Like, I don't know much about the game other than it is viable competitively but when I mean accidental I mean stuff like this:

youtu.be/HvKaDA1wv6k

The game works with it but I doubt it was intended.

[Anonymous No.2676328]

>>2676282
Why is the generic internet reaction to someone diagreeing with you to say they're trolling. It's such a childish waste of time. I explained my point of view, no need to lie about my intentions just because you don't like it, ffs. That's just pathetic.

[Anonymous No.2676331]

>>2676281
All I can tell you is that it fucks up the camera. You'll need to go back and play to experience it yourself, I couldn't find any videos specifically featuring what I'm talking about, sorry.

[Anonymous No.2676332]

>>2676331
Post them.

[Anonymous No.2676339]

>>2676332
Post the videos I couldn't find? Are you feeling okay?

[Anonymous No.2676342]

>>2676339
I must have misread your post, never mind. Anyway I agree with you, OoT had garbage combat and camera work.

[Anonymous No.2676352]

>>2676331
>>2676215
You're still going on about this? I was curious if you actually had a point, so I ran to the lost woods Wulfos in an emulator.
You would have to be so incredibly bad to not be able to lock onto a moving Wulfos. The z-targeting's fine, you must just be bad at games.

[Anonymous No.2676373]

>>2676352
you've wasted your time

[Anonymous No.2676878]

>>2676373
You're also wasting your time you know. He's right; the combat is so simple that it's pretty easy to lock on to almost anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's perfect and all but there's something pretty wrong when you can't even lock on to a Wolfos; one of the largest and easiest (sans bosses) things to target in the game.

[Anonymous No.2676964]

>>2675187
I love FF6, but this is the most accurate criticism. I've played through it about 8-10 times. The first time was the best. After about the 3rd time, I wasn't able to finish the game, I would get too bored.

[Anonymous No.2677073]

>>2676964
Yea, even if you challenge yourself to not get all the game-breaking equipment earlier than you normally would have discovered it the first time through, the ability to keep all characters in the back row and do full damage makes the game LOL easy without even having to grind.

However, I will also say that in fairness, I now think that every jRPG is relatively shallow gameplay wise. The only way to make turn-based combat challenging is to allow the enemy to 1-shot kill your characters. If they can't do that, then you get into a cycle of attack/cure/attack/cure, it's just a matter of how long the battle takes.

[Anonymous No.2677081]

>>2676352
Wolfos, as navi calls it, is so easy. I just fought one last night.

see, the key in Zelda is to hold R to use your shield while z-targeted. Link spins to face while you're targeted and nothing will really hit you until you drop the shield. There's a handful of things that might, but not a Wolfos.

[Anonymous No.2677217]

>>2670081
When you make threads like this please add overrated "BY WHOM"

If you don't add this, some will talk about entirely different things, like...

overrated by my irl friends
overrated by critics
overrated on /v/

and everyone is fixated on his own definition and they will throw even more shit at each other.

[Anonymous No.2677234]

>>2677073
yea, it seems most games these days have trouble creating the right balance between too easy and too hard. I thought demon souls did a pretty good job.

[Anonymous No.2677243]

>>2672567
What's so wrong about Deus Ex?

Honestly, I feel the gameplay has aged HORRIBLY. (don't forget to to max your swimming, gentlemen!)

But I still have a boner for all the dialog and the game world in some parts still feel somewhat alive.

[Anonymous No.2677251]

I feel like League of Legends is too overrated..

[Anonymous No.2677273]

>>2677234
It's a flaw with turn based combat. The enemy will either be impossible or too easy, there is no middle ground because you don't actively control player action. You give a command and the computer plays the game for you.

As for modern games they are universally too easy because most of them have inf lives, inf regen, inf continues, and no penalty for dying. On the other hand, dying on level 3 in contra and starting with a pea shooter makes the game infuriating.... might as well start over.

[Anonymous No.2677331]

The only overrated game are on Playstation, because of the zombie-esque fanbase.

[Anonymous No.2677346]

>>2677331
>because of the zombie-esque fanbase.

So should we count Nintendo consoles as well since they have an equally terrible fanbase.

[Anonymous No.2677363]

>>2677346
Not true. If you mention that you like the Xbox 360, a Nintendo fan won't attack you with a flaming pitchfork. Also, Nintendo fans actually have hundreds of games they can be proud of, it would be odd if they weren't extremist fans.

[Anonymous No.2677369]

Overrated is one of the worst buzzwords

[Anonymous No.2677370]

>>2677331
>>2677363
>having unironic brand loyalty

Go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.2677379]

>>2677369
it's literally and objectively the most buzzy of buzzwords.

[Anonymous No.2677387]

>>2677363
>Not true.
No, it's very true. Most of them willing to eat anything Nintendo dishes out no matter the quality, and would vehemently attack anyone who points out anything retarded they did in their history as a video game company, whether be it related to business decisions or their products. They're no better than Sonyfags in that regard.

>Also, Nintendo fans actually have hundreds of games they can be proud of.
So do the Sony fans.

[Anonymous No.2677391]

>>2677363
>start a futuristic racing games thread on /v/
>Nintoddlers start complaining how no game will ever match F-Zero GX's "epicness" and shit on any person who dares suggest otherwise
Sure buddy.

[Anonymous No.2678083]

>>2677391
>mention to them that F-Zero GX was developped by Sega
>they immediately goes their way trying to prove that Sega was irrelevant and only held the development of the game back
Yep, Nintoddlers.

[Anonymous No.2679328]

>>2670086
GO FUCK YOUR SELF IF YOU DONT LIKE

[Anonymous No.2679329]

>>2672654
Agreed. Most stages are boring or down right bad. Bosses and music are the best part. If this is the high point of the series, it should've died a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.2679332]

>>2670805
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO AND THIS IS NOT FAN BOYRISM

[Anonymous No.2679334]

>>2671497
FUCK YES

[Anonymous No.2679635]

>>2670081
anything nintendo has made or will make

[Anonymous No.2680171]

I have never been able to enjoy F-zero X.

[Anonymous No.2680202]

>>2677243
>Honestly, I feel the gameplay has aged HORRIBLY.
Eh, its gameplay never "aged". It was always horrible. A game with bad gameplay is not a good game in my book.

>But I still have a boner for all the dialog and the game world in some parts still feel somewhat alive.
I've never cared for most story driven video games, especially when story or exposition gets in the way of core gameplay. It's just not my thing. I like some, sure, but the few story driven video games I like always come with good gameplay, too. I like MGS for example, and MGS also allows you to skip most of the story/cutscenes so it doesn't really get in the way. If a game doesn't have good gameplay it's completely redundant as far as I'm concerned. This is why I've never been a fan of 99% of RPGs. It's like a prerequisite for most of this genre to come with shitty gameplay, god knows why.

I do care about an immersive world and atmosphere though. The problem is I also hate the look of Deus Ex's world. It's so drab and disgusting looking, both at a technical and artistic level.

Just a disgusting overrated game, fuck. I can appreciate that people have different preferences to me and might enjoy all the story choices and whatever the fuck Deus Ex has. To me though, taking a shit is more fun than playing Deux Ex.

[Anonymous No.2680212]

>>2671497
you get the fuck out
I don't even care if that's bait - I'm rustled

[Anonymous No.2680214]

>>2673421
H2 was literally an improvement in every way. Still a good gaem tho

[Anonymous No.2680574]

>>2680202
>I like some, sure, but the few story driven video games I like always come with good gameplay, too.
What are some of those games?

>It's so drab and disgusting looking
I think that was the point, considering the whole dystopian, cyberpunk vibe. You're free to stand by your preferences, though.

[Anonymous No.2680581]

Deus Ex isn't even /vr/ related.

[Anonymous No.2682063]

>>2680574
>What are some of those games?
It's kinda hard to say m8. I mean, all games have story to some extent. Even something like Contra or Doom have stories but they're completely at a backdrop.

To be clear, the only RPGs I've ever liked are Dark Souls and Bloodborne, and I don't really see them as RPGs anyway. I see them more as action games with heavy RPG elements. Dark Souls is one of my favourite games of all time and I have absolutely no idea about what's going on with its lore and nor do I do with Bloodborne. I tried briefly to get into Bloodborne's lore because of how amazing and unique its world looked but I just didn't give a shit enough to and didn't wanna watch some youtube video explaining it all. Feels like a cop-out to do that. I'd rather just be lost in the obscure.

Like I said I like the MGS games. I also love Zelda - Link's Awakening and OoT (OoT was a game I never cared about again so much after the first God tier playthrough though). I like the Max Payne games and modern GTA games from Vice City onwards. I love C&C Red Alert's mission briefings where you take orders from Stalin himself. I like STALKER.

Honestly I probably would have even liked games like Witcher, Morrowind, Final Fantasy and Deux Ex if they had gameplay that appealed to me - even if I'd find the exposition that detracts from gameplay annoying - but somehow this genre seems to always make games that play like shit. I don't understand why.

I do however really like some point and click adventure games. Examples include Leisure Suit Larry 7: Love For Sail (my favourite), Blade Runner, Full Throttle, Curse of Monkey Island, etc. Obviously I didn't play these for gameplay but figuring out their worlds and puzzles was fucking fun. LSL7 is also funny as hell. Blade Runner had no right having a story and voice acting as good as it did. Full Throttle is sadly a game that time forgot.

[Anonymous No.2682064]

>>2671161
dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.2682069]

>>2682063
>To be clear, the only RPGs I've ever liked are Dark Souls and Bloodborne
*Demon's Souls, too.

[Anonymous No.2682080]

>>2682069
Those aren't even RPGs, they're just adventure games with stats. It's no more of an RPG than WWE2K15.

[Anonymous No.2682082]

>>2682080
yah that wot i sed
>and I don't really see them as RPGs anyway. I see them more as action games with heavy RPG elements.

[Anonymous No.2682084]

>>2674289
Hipster kids love to hate on games that have strong mainstream appeal. This is nothing new. It's even worse with video games because they'll take a popular series, hate on the more popular entries, and then proclaim the less critically acclaimed entries to be superior.

You don't think there are ACTUALLY people who prefer Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time, do you? Or people who prefer FF8 to FF7?

[Anonymous No.2682086]

>>2682084
Majora is great, dude, fuck off

[Anonymous No.2682090]

>>2682086
not him but majora's sucks massive dicks m8

[Anonymous No.2682104]

>>2682090
oh yea? you're mom's

[Anonymous No.2682356]

>>2682104
not him but
>you're mom's

[Anonymous No.2682369]

>>2682356
Thank god you pointed that out.

[Anonymous No.2682373]

>>2682356
i'm the guy he said you're mom's to
gtfo newfig

[Anonymous No.2682375]

>>2670859
and I don't like 2d platformers. Lucky for you there's a crap ton of 2d indy games and only a hand full of modern 3d platformers.

[Anonymous No.2683904]

>>2674289
>le contrarian maymay XD
m'lady

[Anonymous No.2683907]

>>2674289
Street Fighter 2 deserves it, most of the others are pure nostalgia shit.

[Anonymous No.2683920]

>>2683907
Fighting games are objectively shit, fuck off tourneyfag.

[Anonymous No.2683938]

>>2683920
Ok autist.

[Anonymous No.2683946]

>>2683938
Great meme, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.2684096]

>>2672982
I've always preferred FFV over FFVI. I do like the aesthetics of FFVI though. It's a very pretty game.

[Anonymous No.2684115]

So basically any popular game that's actually not that bad but must be vitriolically hated due to how popular it is?

In that case I nominate pic related. Though to be fair I have to agree with the haters that the fandom is indeed retarded.

[Anonymous No.2684123]

>>2684115
This game is a case of being overrated for the wrong things, while being a 9,5/10 on its own. While it was an extremely solid FF entry with strong classic gameplay and a engaging, solemn plot being balanced by lots of schizotech wackiness, it has attracted a following with self-cutting emo bishounen grimdark bullshit, something that the game is entirely NOT about. The marketing and the animufaggotry have made FFVII something far beyond it was ought to be, which is an averagely great installment on par with VI.

[Anonymous No.2684141]

>>2684123
I get what you're saying but even then the game still had its shortcomings especially with the main villain, whose development was forced and contrived as fuck.

That being said yeah, most of the hate for the game comes from things that have grown out of the game rather than the game itself i.e the frequently rabid and obnoxious fanbase.

See Jeremy Parsish's review of FF7 (on his gamespite website) where he explains why he hates it so much, yet as mentioned elswhere apparently he loves FF8 which as far as I can tell had every flaw he whined about FF7 sans the graphics and rabid fandom (if the latter can even be called a legitimate flaw to begin with), and arguably had it worse.

It boggles my mind when people hate on FF7 yet are totally fine when other JRPGs do the exact same shit. Then I remember that, as mentioned before, most of the hatred for FF7 comes from things cause by the game instead of the game itself.

[Anonymous No.2684152]

>>2675890
But Lavitz is the only halfway decent character in the whole game, which only makes his death even more tragic.

[Anonymous No.2684157]

>>2674289
Mario 64 was highly influential and thus deserves its praise, and given it was the first of its kind and the devs weren't borrowing from an existing template it wouldn't have been hard at all to fuck up.

Agree on everything else though.

[Anonymous No.2684257]

I fail to see how it's better than Zelda in any regard aside from some of the puzzles, sorry but slapping on a tragic grimdark story doesn't automatically make a game great, especially when it's otherwise the usual Saturday Morning Cartoon drivel.

[Anonymous No.2684267]

>>2684257
So Zelda is the only action adventure allowed to exist?

>>2684115
>>2684123
>>2684141
The whole concept of underrated and overrated is bullshit from the base level. All either statement means is that you think your opinion is different from what you perceive as the generally accepted opinion.

But they're both just opinions. They're subjective by their very nature.

[Anonymous No.2684270]

>>2684257
I really like the game as much as any Zelda (same goes for 2), but I can agree that it's kinda overhyped.

Also,
>dat lens flare

[Anonymous No.2684290]

>>2684267
>So Zelda is the only action adventure allowed to exist?

No but I've yet to think of a title than can surpass it, Alundra included. The story was pretty much the only advantage it had over classic Zelda, and even that wasn't so hot once you aren't into melodramatic grimdark shit. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the game, I'm saying you're wrong for thinking it's better than classic Zelda.

>The whole concept of underrated and overrated is bullshit from the base level. All either statement means is that you think your opinion is different from what you perceive as the generally accepted opinion.

Nuh uh any game that's popular but I don't like is overrated trash and anyone who likes it is a disgusting pleb. In fact the mere thought of someone liking what I don't like drives me up the fucking wall so I've made it my goal in life to vehemently shit on anything I personally deem overrated as well as its fans, even if they're just minding their own business.

>>2684270
2 copped a lot of shit from fans of the first game and I can see why, not only did it have nothing to do with the first game but the gameplay was cumbersome and the graphics were ugly.

That being said I enjoyed it more in some ways.

[Anonymous No.2684294]

>>2684290
I guess my point is that Alundra doesn't have to be better than Zelda. It's just another game.

[Anonymous No.2684296]

>>2670086
totally agreed. while it's in my top 10 retro games, having its dick sucked non stop and everyone acting like this is the only final fantasy game there is is just annoying as fuck.

[Anonymous No.2684302]

>>2670549
i don't think the first one is hailed as great. I've been playing it and it really lacks the perfection that is 2.

[Anonymous No.2684303]

>>2684296
Had this been a decade ago I would have agreed with you, but nowadays honestly I see way more dick sucking of FF6, FF9 and even FF12. Just saying.

[Anonymous No.2684306]

>>2684294
That's fine then.

[Anonymous No.2684307]

>>2684303
I don't see 6 get its dick sucked. outside of /vr/, I rarely see people acknowledge the game exists.

[Anonymous No.2684312]

>>2672567

[Anonymous No.2684315]

>>2684307
I don't know whether to envy you or pity you then. Everywhere I look ESPECIALLY outside of 4chan it's almost always 6 or 9 which are regarded as the best FFs, and often in the same breath they'll mention how overrated 7 is.

[Anonymous No.2684316]

>>2677369
Would you say the word overrated is overrated?

[Anonymous No.2684326]

>>2684290
>the gameplay was cumbersome
I thought it wasn't much different than the original Alundra's with a few exceptions.

>the graphics were ugly
They weren't that bad for a 3D PS1 game in my eyes, though there are better looking 3D PS1 games of the same genre out there. Still, not the greatest looking, but not the worst either.

[Anonymous No.2684332]

>>2684326
>I thought it wasn't much different than the original Alundra's with a few exceptions.

The platforming was more or less the same but the one button combat felt more sluggish since the animation took too long and required you to stand in one place. Also you carried around a shield that you can't even use for some reason.

>They weren't that bad for a 3D PS1 game in my eyes, though there are better looking 3D PS1 games of the same genre out there. Still, not the greatest looking, but not the worst either.

For a 2000s game they were pretty bad, especially when compared to the likes of FF9, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, Galerians, Vampire Hunter D etc. then again if Legend of Dragoon can get away with it I don't see why this game can't.

[Anonymous No.2684365]

>>2684332
>FF9, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, Galerians, Vampire Hunter D
Are we talking about in terms of just the character models (with the exception of Vagrant Story which also uses both full 3D characters and backgrounds, but is still kind of a better looking game than Alundra 2)? If so I would agree, but I still personally think that 2's not that bad in the graphics department. At least it isn't Driver..

[Anonymous No.2684379]

>>2684365
Mostly character models but also environments for some of them.

[Anonymous No.2684391]

>>2684379
Fair enough. For me, I personally think games like Brave Fencer Musashi (even considering that the game's from '97/'98), Threads of Fate, and even Tail Concerto have better looking environments than Alundra 2.

[Anonymous No.2684785]

>>2670104
imo it's still one of the few ps1 games genuinely worth playing

is it the god of games that overshadows everything else? no, not even from that era

[Anonymous No.2685337]

>>2682084
I prefer ff8 to any other final fantasy game personally. I thought the draw system was neat, and the spell/stat linking was great.

[Anonymous No.2686170]

>>2685337
Honestly those two things ruined the game for me. I mean, I give them points for trying something new but the execution fell flat. The draw system made the game either too hard or too easy if you know how to break it. The junction system served the same purpose as the materia system in that it made your characters blank slates for you to customize as you wish, except unlike the materia system where you could simply equip magic and abilities to a character, the junction system required a GF which required an ability be learned and only certain GFs can learn certain abilities too, and if that wasn't enough your party splits up constantly so you have to keep swapping around GFs and magic which is really fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.2686823]

>>2682084

>You don't think there are ACTUALLY people who prefer Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time, do you?

Considering that Majora's Mask was more challenging, had a more immersive story, and improved technically on Ocarina of Time, it's not hard to argue Majora is better. OoT and FF7 are the two games most worthy of the title "overrated", simply because they've been hyped up to a point that they're considered immaculate and the indisputable best games of all time (this coming from a huge OoT fan btw)

[Anonymous No.2686830]

People are still discussing this shit ?
Are you fucking crazy ?

[Anonymous No.2687370]

>>2686823
>simply because they've been hyped up to a point that they're considered immaculate and the indisputable best games of all time

So is Chrono Trigger but that's totally okay for some reason.

[Anonymous No.2687421]

>>2685337
I've been glancing at ff8, and you know what? People complain ff8 forcing you to grind, but while you do have to go out of your way to draw it, just do it once per battle, and you'll be good.

[Anonymous No.2687437]

>>2687421
The reason for confusion is that it's never fully explained in-game, you can refine items and cards into spells. That's the best and quickest way to fill up your inventory, a single tent will give you a bunch of Curagas which is pretty op in the beginning of the game.

[Anonymous No.2687441]

>>2687437
Isn't that the exploit I heard about?

[Anonymous No.2687481]

>>2687421
>People complain ff8 forcing you to grind

They obviously haven't played it and are bullshitting since FF8 punishes you for grinding.