Castlevania General

[Anonymous No.2652779]

So we can all agree that this is the best game in the series, right, /vr/?

Talk about all things CV in here.

[Anonymous No.2652789]

The general consensus about Bloodlines is that despite being a good game, it's kind of weak.

Japanese version of Castlevania 3 is the best Castlevania game.

[Anonymous No.2652791]

>>2652779
That's not Harmony of Dissonance

[Anonymous No.2652793]

Nice original way to start a Castlevania thread OP, discussing about what is the best game... Can we do better things like making challenge for each games?

[Anonymous No.2652819]

>>2652791
Not retro.

[Anonymous No.2652943]

>>2652779
I hated Bloodlines for years but I tried it last Halloween and suddenly really liked it. Maybe it's because I played using Eric. He's kinda easy mode though. I still don't like John even though he's who you "should" play as, being the whip user, but he's just not fun for me. I also don't really like the limited continues. You can circumvent it with passwords, but it's kind of a hassle to get the same result. Should've just went with infinites like the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.2652948]

Kill yourself, OP

[Anonymous No.2652995]

>>2652948
>liking a game that has a playable loli and turns Castlevania into a cutesy joke
No, you kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2653002]

This one.

[Anonymous No.2653003]

>So we can agree that X is the best/worst game in the series, right?

Quality beggining for a quality thread

[Anonymous No.2653026]

>>2653003
Did someone say Beginning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptgaCJSF7j8

[Anonymous No.2653027]

>>2652943
Eric seems more fit for that game than John. He just is more versatile and interesting.

[Anonymous No.2653042]

>new non-Belmont character, Eric
>is blue themed and even uses Alucard's fucking lance of longinus
>born in SEGoviA, Spain
>is more powerful than John, the Nintendo counterpart

Sometimes I love Konami.

[Anonymous No.2653052]

>>2653042
Is segovia really emphasized like that? If so, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.2653053]

>>2652995
>Dismissing it over a literal easy mode unlockable character

Slit your own throat.

[Anonymous No.2653057]

>>2652995
>Game that has a playable loli

One of the many reasons why it's the best in the series.

[Anonymous No.2653059]

It's the second worst classicvania, slightly above Dracula X for SNES.

Best is CVIII followed by Rondo.

[Anonymous No.2653060]

>>2653059
>Best is CVIII
Opinion invalidated.

[Anonymous No.2653063]

Friendly reminder that Rondo of Blood is a meme game. Nobody actually likes or has played Rondo of Blood, people love repeating it's the name for the same reason people love repeating phrases such as "top kek" and "ayy lmao" - silly young people like doing silly young things.

[Anonymous No.2653068]

>>2653059
>Bloodlines worse than Simon's Quest, The Adventure, Legends, the x68000 remake on psx, or Haunted Castle

That's some really bad taste you got there.

[Anonymous No.2653069]

>>2653057
Fucking waifufags ruining my favorite series....

[Anonymous No.2653070]

>>2653068
>Simon's Quest
Yes.

>The Adventure, Legends
I admit I haven't played these so I don't know

>Chronicles
Yes.

>Haunted Castle
I forgot this one, you are right it's worse.

[Anonymous No.2653072]

>>2653070
>liking Simon's Quest
>over Bloodlines
lol

[Anonymous No.2653089]

>>2652779
Eric is so fucking fabulous.

Why did they turn him into a shota in the fighting game?

[Anonymous No.2653110]

>>2653063
>Nobody actually likes or has played Rondo of Blood

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.2653123]

>>2653110
>playing the shitty 3d remake version on psp
ew gross

[Anonymous No.2653131]

>>2653123
you know that's the original

[Anonymous No.2653150]

what happened to everyone agreeing that 4 was the best?

[Anonymous No.2653152]

>>2653123
That's the original, although I also 100%ed the remake.

[Anonymous No.2653156]

>>2653150
Egoraptor happened.

I never liked 4 that much, felt way to slow and easy tho. It does have the best atmosphere of them all.

[Anonymous No.2653159]

>>2653150
We grew up and realized that Nintendo a shit.

[Anonymous No.2653161]

Most of the games in the series are very good. Stay away from Haunted Castle version M (the other versions are quite good), Adventure, Dracula X and Legends.

Vampire Killer is a good game when you play it with the Konami Game Master. It's way too difficult otherwise, as you only get three lives for the entire game.

Simon's Quest Redacted is also very good.

[Anonymous No.2653283]

>>2653161
>stay away from Dracula X
Excellent meme!

[Anonymous No.2653294]

>>2652779
>>2652779
If you've ever been in a single Castlevania thread you would know there's never ever been everyone agreeing. To say that we all agree that fucking Bloodlines of all of them is the best is just concentrated troll food.

[Anonymous No.2653301]

>>2653070
>>2653068
It depends entirely on perspective. Most people say it's awful, but Simon's Quest is my favorite of the classic Castlevanias.

[Anonymous No.2653329]

>>2653060
>Consistently good levels despite being 3 times longer than the first game
>Huge step up in boss design
>Best music in the series
>3 characters add a nice layer of replayability
>most challenging game in the series
How is it not the best? Everything after it was just retreading old ground, and doing it worse a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.2653363]

>>2653329
It's personally my favorite old school cv. Famicom version is GOAT for music. The NES one is good too even if a tad harder. If you can beat one you can beat the other.

[Anonymous No.2653590]

>>2652948
Here come the Rondorks.

>>2652995
What's wrong with lolis?

[Anonymous No.2653593]

>>2653089
Because the fighting game was retarded.

[Anonymous No.2653597]

>>2653590
>Here come the Rondorks.

This is why every Castlevania game is shit. None of you like the series as a whole. You pick one or maybe two games, decide they're the best and then just throw a fit any time someone mentions a game other than the one you chose.

Worst fanbase in all of gaming.

[Anonymous No.2653604]

>>2653597
>This is why every Castlevania game is shit.

A Freudian slip in text form. I meant to write
>This is why every Castlevania thread is shit.

It's roughly the same thing though.

[Anonymous No.2653606]

>>2653597
The one who is throwing a fit here is you. Of course there will be that type of conflict. What else are we going to do, sit here and endlessly fellate a fantastic series of games? Just don't take the dumb insults seriously and discuss the games.

[Anonymous No.2653609]

>>2653597
I don't hate Rondo, I just hate the fags who shit on all the other games and say Rondo is best.

I do hate these threads a lot though, they're on the same cancerous level as console war threads. I'll never understand why Castlevania threads generate so much sewage.

[Anonymous No.2653617]

>>2653606
I would happily take any sort of actual discourse over just coming up with names for people who like whatever Castlevania you don't like and just using that.

>>2653609
So you chose instead of saying something worthwhile to just say "here come the Rondorks" as if that will ever help matters. Everyone one of these threads is exactly the same, and it's because of people like you.

[Anonymous No.2653618]

Color me surprised, another Castlevania thread that starts with a faggot Op claiming [x] game in the franchise is the best game and other autists jumping at his neck claiming that [z] or [y] are the best while insulting each other.

Truly the Castlevania fandom must be one of the most mature fanbases around here!

[Anonymous No.2653625]

>>2653042

I think you're reading too much into it, Konami doesn't care about your little kiddy console wars.

[Anonymous No.2653634]

>>2653597
That happens with everything on 4chan. The thing you like has to be the best and everything else is shit.

I think most could reasonably agree that Dracula X, Super Castlevania IV and SotN are the vague top tier of the series, while everyone has their personal favorites they'd put in there as well, and every fan also has their issues with them, those are the most widely liked ones.

I mean a lot of us love III but nobody is gonna seriously recommend that one to a first-time player as his intro to the series.

[Anonymous No.2653638]

>>2653618
My theory is that Castlevania is the sort of game people think they "should" like because it's "hardcore" and liking hardcore games makes you feel special.

But at the same time, most people don't actually like them all that much. So they pick one game, be it Bloodlines, III, Rondo or Super, that's the one they actually put time into playing and so any discussion they have about the series has to be about that game.

So if someone mentions a different game, they have to be quick to point out it can't possibly be as good as the one they like and since they're actually only vaguely familiar with the series all they do is shitpost and name call.

[Anonymous No.2653653]

I know this is not retro, but ReBirth is probably the best classicvania to recommend to new players.

[Anonymous No.2653771]

>>2653161
Why Legends is a bad game?

[Anonymous No.2653819]

>>2653068
>x68000 remake on psx

I hope you're not seriously >implying this is a bad game.

[Anonymous No.2653839]

>>2653771
It's not. People just can't handle the fact Sonia was a powerful female protagonist and are just parroting their lord God IGA's opinion since he hated it for equally biased reasons, and also because he personally didn't work on it so he threw a tantrum and had it deemed non-canon even though CV isn't his series to begin with.

[Anonymous No.2653912]

The Castlevania fandom is pure shit. The fact that there are factions is actually ridiculous but there also exist factions INSIDE these factions. Is insane.

People who dismiss Igavanias, Igasuckers who dismiss Classicvanias and Mercuryvanias, fags who only like Symphony of the Night and FUCKING NOTHING ELSE, and then there are stupid little shits that use 'vanias as fucking bullet for their stupid Console Wars.

I'm a Classicvania fan, and even i am tired of this. I'm too fucking old for this effin shit.

[Anonymous No.2653914]

>>2653912
>People who dismiss Igavanias

It's not my fault those games are objectively bad.

I have nothing against its fans though.

[Anonymous No.2653916]

I just completed Castlevania 64 this afternoon. God it was terrible! The camera was nearly an enemy, and the combats were awful...

What's your opinion on this game?

[Anonymous No.2653919]

>>2653912
There are as many factions as there are games, no exaggeration. I will say this though, between this topic and the GBAvanias one, those people at least talked about the different aspects of the games they prefer.

Virtually the only posts here to actually talk about aspects of the games themselves >>2652943 and >>2653329 got virtually ignored and lead to no discussion of the games. It's just plain shitposting at anyone who doesn't agree.

[Anonymous No.2653923]

>>2653916

Are you aware you can dodge when you're fighting enemies? This is a detail that might go under people's radars since it's a small mechanic that isn't explained in the game.

And yes the camera was an enemy especially on platforming sections, but that's normal for most games of those time.

What ending did you got?

[Anonymous No.2653924]

>>2653912
>I'm a Classicvania fan
>That picture
Please tell me there aren't any classic Castlevania fans who thought Mirror of Fate was even a slightly passable game. That makes no sense at all.

[Anonymous No.2653934]

>>2653912
What do you expect when it's one of the most popular series of all time and has literally millions of fans? Everyone has to shout louder to get their opinion heard. At least it's not as bad as the GTA fanbase who will actively grab onto every possible opportunity to tell you how much IV and V were a disgrace and SA is the best game of all time.

[Anonymous No.2653937]

>>2653934

The Castlevania fanbase used to be a lot better. Sure, lots of SOTN dicksucking, but people were calmer overall.

Dragon Quest is also a popular franchise with millions of fans but they get along nicely.

[Anonymous No.2653941]

>>2653937
Well to be fair most DQ games are largely the same, there's not much to argue about. Plus they are all united in their anger that no new ones are being localized.

[Anonymous No.2653942]

>>2653924
It's a random picture i uploaded to Miiverse. Eve though, i like almost all Castlevanias, and Lords of Shadow and Mirror of Fate are no exception.

I prefer Cassicvanias but play and love the whole series.

Being a fan of a style doesn't mean to hate everything else, be it Classicvania, Metroidvania, Kobevania or Mercuryvania.

[Anonymous No.2653946]

I feel like I'm alone in thinking the first Castlevania is the best one. It's not even nostalgia talking, I can replay that game infinitely, it's perfectly paced

[Anonymous No.2653949]

>>2653941

but DQfags get along even with spinoffs like DQM or Rocket Slime that are different from mainline.
Unlike say the megaten fanbase which is divided between persona and mainline/the other spinoffs.

CV used to be divided between classic and iga, but now it's divided per entry, and people will be DAMN hostile if you disagree with them.

Also CV fans should all also be united in anger or maybe sorrow that the series is dead.

[Anonymous No.2653950]

>>2653916
Play Legacy of Darkness on Retroarch or Project 64, map the D-Pad on the right stick of whatever controller you're using and enjoy. Also, there's a few hidden mechanics such as dodging, Weak to Strong attack combo and such. The game changes a lot.

[Anonymous No.2653951]

There are only about 3 or 4 Castlevania games that I actively dislike. The rest are good.

[Anonymous No.2653957]

>>2653942
I'm curious what someone who likes Classicvania could enjoy at all in MoF. That game threw out everything that's fundamental to the series. There's only one single instance in the entire game where there's any kind of platforming you need to do while an enemy is even on screen.

Other than that it's all either completely empty hallways you're walking through, with glowing points to show you where you need to whip and easy jumps that autosave every few platforms anyways. Then the combat bits are just closed arenas where you mash the game's two combos XXXX or YYYY until everything dies. Even the counter mechanic is completely broken, where just mashing the button with make you perfect block every time, even on bosses.

Platforming and combat, which are the two fundamentals of Castlevania's game design aren't just completely separated, each on their own was made to be so piss easy that none of it takes any skill at all.

I've been into CV since the first game, and I don't just think Mirror of Fate is the worst Castlevania, I think it's one of the worst games period. I don't understand at all how anyone defends it. What about the game do you actually like? I'm honestly curious.

[Anonymous No.2653958]

I don't get why, despite the huge amount of games in the series, they're yet to balance the sub weapons well. The closest they've come is making them all useless in Castlevania 4.

[Anonymous No.2653960]

>>2653946
It's definitely more approachable than CV3. 3 may have more content but it's also much longer and takes a big commitment. Once you git gud at 1 you can go through pretty quickly and it's a fun way to kill 30 min. I think I like it better overall too.

[Anonymous No.2653964]

>>2653958
>The closest they've come is making them all useless in Castlevania 4.

the cross (especially rank 3) comes in very handy in many instances on the game

[Anonymous No.2653967]

>>2653914
In my case, it's the opposite. I like Metroidvanias, but hate its fans with passion.

They adore Igarashi as if he were the second coming of Christ, and the fucker left out of the series anything that wasn't on his headcanon, changed everything from the general artstyle to the main characters (Alucard FUCKING everywhere)

Igarashi was the cancer that was killing Castlevania, and his fans were the first to start this faction war bullshit.

I still remember vividly reading shit about Circle of Moon only because Iga wasn't behind it.

[Anonymous No.2653974]

>>2653967
>I still remember vividly reading shit about Circle of Moon only because Iga wasn't behind it.

I'm not going to say this has never happened, but most Metroidvania fans don't give two shits about Igarashi himself. They just like the games. I've heard almost no praise for him specifically.

[Anonymous No.2653978]

>>2653957
Well, first of all it's not like Mirror of Fate is the first game to take Castlevania mechanics and throw them out of the window.

From Mirror of Fate what i love the most it's the atmosphere, this game with the original Lords of Shadow does that perfectly in my opinion.

Also it's true what you say about the combat system flaws, but i usually ignore it and play as intended. Sure, you can mash the same button over and over again but since that's not fun i play using different combos and strategies, and find the game very pleasant. I also play on Hard or Extreme.

In short, i can't (and won't) defend the game for its flaws, but i enjoy it for what it actually is. I'm also in the series since the first entry, wich was actually the first game i ever played.

[Anonymous No.2653979]

>>2653957
I liked the atmosphere and story. I can't argue you're wrong with anything you said, but I got it for free so I didn't really have much to complain about. It was a good way to spend a weekend since I'd exhausted every other Castlevania game.

[Anonymous No.2653984]

>>2653978
>From Mirror of Fate what i love the most it's the atmosphere,
>>2653979
>I liked the atmosphere and story.

That's fair then, at least it's some reasons. Personally the game actually made me angry with how badly it was made. I kept playing hoping it was going to get better and it just never did. That one Fleaman you come across while running from the thing in the clocktower just felt like a big fuck you.

I'll rant about it no more, it just always amazes me when I run into someone who didn't hate it.

[Anonymous No.2653990]

>>2653974
Maybe i've been unlucky, or it's stronger in latin-american and spanish communities (Some international forums also have a hard on for Iga... oh well...)

In any case, reading this such as "Finally GBA will get a true Castlevania" after the official Harmony of Dissonance announcement it's pretty nerve wrecking.

[Anonymous No.2653993]

>>2653967
Pretty much this. I'm so glad he's gone. No one man should have that much power. He definitely had some screws loose, walking around the Konami offices with a whip.

[Anonymous No.2653996]

So what's the most hardcore Castlevania game? Not going with RoB because I can beat that with my hands tied behind my back. I want to say either III without supporting characters or Bloodlines on Expert.

[Anonymous No.2653997]

>>2653990
Yeah that's pretty bad. But also for the most part I just play the games, don't look into a lot of back info on them and am not super active on forums. It was only last week on here that I found out CotM wasn't an Iga game. But it did make more sense after that.

[Anonymous No.2654000]

>M2 will never make another Castlevania because The Adventure ReBirth sold like shit since it was stuck only on the Wii

feels bad man

[Anonymous No.2654004]

>>2653996
Try Haunted Castle Version M. I hope you survive :P

[Anonymous No.2654005]

>>2653996
Second loop of 3

[Anonymous No.2654008]

>>2654000
Well they're busy giving us fuck awesome 3D Genesis ports these days so I can't be too unhappy.

[Anonymous No.2654013]

>>2654008
Now imagine a fuck awesome 3D Adventure Rebirth port.

It's a shame that Konami only sees the series now as a mean to attract old salarymen to pachinko machines.

[Anonymous No.2654016]

>>2654013
That would be cool, but I'm holding my breath for Tides of Time or Beyond Oasis more.

[Anonymous No.2654025]

>>2652779
I just bought this CIB and the car doesn't work :-/

pic related

[Anonymous No.2654046]

>>2654025
You bought antique electronics and didn't ask to see first hand that they work properly?

[Anonymous No.2654049]

>>2654046
I know.. - . -

Let me tell you, I learned from it.

[Anonymous No.2654059]

>>2653916
I actually really enjoyed it. I'll admit the camera isn't that great but once you get the hang of it, it isn't terrible and the combat is actually pretty decent once you learn to dodge-attack enemies. The game does have some other issues but the music and atmosphere make up for alot of them. It's one of those games that is greater than the sum of its parts.

[Anonymous No.2654073]

>>2653996
The first game boy one. It's pretty balls hard.

[Anonymous No.2654078]

>>2654000
It's seriously the only Wii game I've bought. I waited for years for a price drop but Nintendo never does that. Still worth $10 though.

[Anonymous No.2654108]

Elder God Tier:
Dracula's Curse

High Tier:
Bloodlines
Rondo of Blood

Mid Tier:
Castlevania X68000
Adventure ReBirth
Belmont's Revenge
Castlevania NES
Dracula X SNES
Castlevania MSX

Low Tier:
Super Castlevania IV
Legends
Simon's Quest
Haunted Castle

Shit Tier:
The Adventure

Beyond Shit Tier:
3D Castlevanias

Metroid Tier:
Anything by IGA

[Anonymous No.2654110]

>>2653923

Yeah, I know I can dodge while fighting ennemies. I also dodged a few times when I just wanted to jump while turning, leading me to death.

Got Reinhardt's good ending. No planning on replaying it, though.

>>2653950

I've also purchased this one (I play on real hardware), but I'm not planning to play it anytime soon... yet I know it's supposed to be the "real" game(play).

>>2654059

I don't know man, fighting against the vampires was so infuriating...

The music was also another miss for me, since I prefer the "classic" castlevania action music. The only good atmosphere I can think of is the clock tower...

[Anonymous No.2654137]

>>2654108
>4 is low tier along with Legends and CV2
Careful with that edge.

[Anonymous No.2654163]

>>2654137
Not him but 4 is pretty long for what it is and extremely easy. It's a very pretty looking game but overall it's just boring to play.

[Anonymous No.2654212]

>>2654013
Rebirth is awesome.

[Anonymous No.2654223]

>>2654163
The easy argument doesn't work for me, pretty much any classicvania is easy except for Castlevania 3. 4 is for sure not as bad as Simon's Quest, Haunted Castle or Legends.

[Anonymous No.2654310]

>>2654223
Most CVs are pretty easy but 4 is super-easy.

[Anonymous No.2654390]

>>2654310
>>2654223

>easy
I wouldn't say so, unless you beat the first one. Then in that case they're more on the hard spectrum of middle of the road. I swear though, people inflate the difficulty of the American release of cv3.

[Anonymous No.2654476]

>>2654390
If a person is a regular on /vr/ I would hope to god they've beat the first one.

[Anonymous No.2654509]

>>2654476
I did. Now I can beat it near flawless up until the death chambers. The only thing there is Death and the constant barrage of stuff before death. Having a maxed out boomerang shot or holy water is near necessary for the fight, which isn't hard to get. Dracula's castle isn't hard since it's short and the fight itself is easy. If you can beat Death, you will beat Dracula.

[Anonymous No.2654515]

>>2654163
>it's just boring to play
I think the fluid controls and movements make for a bit of fun in itself.

[Anonymous No.2654736]

>>2654515
Because your a casual.

[Anonymous No.2654738]

>>2653949
DQ fans get pretty hostile over waifus but that's about it. Though I like DQ and I think that V and VIII fags are some of the more insufferable fans, especially with how they treat those two as the be all end all for the series.

[Anonymous No.2654743]

>>2654738

At least they don't try to act all hardkerk by saying this or that entry is better because its more hardest XD like the CV kiddies do.

[Anonymous No.2654751]

>>2654738
>V and VIII
>not III and VII
Damn, DQfags have some pretty shit taste.

[Anonymous No.2654753]

>>2654736
>your a casual
>your
Also, I want this meming to stop.

[Anonymous No.2654764]

>>2654751
VII probably is the be all end all DQ if there is any, once you play through the whole thing I can guarantee that you won't want to play other ones for a while.

>>2654743
I'll admit that they don't but I also think they spend too much time trying to bash final fantasy to show how good it is, because it actually makes it seem like the series has no merits on its own when it does.

[Anonymous No.2654771]

What's funny to me about the CV kids is that they will claim they only like the hardest than metal Castlevania games, but they'll only play the easiest ones like Rondo or Bloodlines, maybe CV III, but they always say Dracula X is shit because they still parrot the whole "Dracula X is a bad port of Rondo" meme back from when nobody had played Rondo of Blood and everyone thought it was actually a "better" Dracula X instead of a different game.
When in fact Dracula X is one of the hardest games in the series, but that doesn't necessarily means the best.

I also agree with the anon who said the best is still the first Castlevania. Not too hard, not too easy, just perfect.

[Anonymous No.2654785]

>>2654771
Dracula X on SNES isn't hard at all until the retarded Dracula fight, and that's only because 80% of the floor is bottomless pits.

Stop being full of shite.

[Anonymous No.2654792]

>>2654785

Whatever you say, Mr. Hardcore Gaymer.

[Anonymous No.2654794]

>>2654785
How is the game actually? Besides it not being Vanilla Rondo.

[Anonymous No.2654802]

>>2654794
It's not just not Rondo it's the best classic CV that's not Rondo.

[Anonymous No.2654806]

>>2654794

Not him but Dracula X feels more like the NES Castlevanias in terms of controls and design, except it has some mechanics from Rondo like the item crash or backflip.

Also no playable Maria (although you can rescue her) so there's no easy mode.

The level design is harder from the get go, on the first level you've got medusa heads already.

[Anonymous No.2654823]

>>2654806
>>2654802
How hard is it compared to cv3(murica)?

[Anonymous No.2654851]

>people actually like Dracula X now

never thought I'd see the day, the hipster level has hit its peak

[Anonymous No.2654856]

>>2654851

I actually played Dracula X back in 1995, before the internet got websites about Castlevania saying how "it's le bad port of Rondo which is JAPAN ONRY HOLY GRAIL XD".

[Anonymous No.2654862]

>>2654851

Most people are actually normal dude who enjoy video games, and Dracula X is a good vidya.

The hipsters are the ones who try to act like Dracula X is not a good game because it's not as obscure as the japan-only PC Engine CD-Rom2 release. Which isn't even the same game.

[Anonymous No.2654864]

>>2654025

Try cleaning it at least anon.

[Anonymous No.2654943]

obligatory Symphony of the Night post, if you think it is too easy do a no weapons/no armor/no items playthrough.

[Anonymous No.2654947]

>>2652779
I wouldn't call it the best, but it is one of my favorites.

[Anonymous No.2654956]

>>2654856

people were saying that before the internet made it obvious

[Anonymous No.2654964]

>>2654943
Or I could just play an actually good Castlevania game that's properly balanced like Rondo of Blood or Bloodlines.

[Anonymous No.2654980]

>>2654943
Great now it's easy and tedious.

[Anonymous No.2655004]

>>2654956

What's obvious? Because it is not a "bad port of Rondo". If you played it, you'd know.

[Anonymous No.2655007]

>>2654964

I'm sick of people dicksucking Rondo and Bloodlines.
I love both, but I'm sick of the fanboys.

[Anonymous No.2655008]

>>2655007
Here here!

[Anonymous No.2655023]

>>2655007
At least the thread hasn't been derailed by non-retro Igafags talking about the GBA/DS 'vanias

[Anonymous No.2655314]

best cv boss

gotta love his dance moves

[Anonymous No.2655316]

>>2655314

This is my favorite boss.

gotta love their dance moves, too.

[Anonymous No.2655321]

>>2652779
>So we can all agree that this is the best game in the series, right, /vr/?
>No hearts, get faggy looking gems instead
>No Belmont
>Can't even whip in 8 directions
>No cross
>No knives
>Special sub weapon that rapes bosses effortlessly
>Best game

Nah, some levels were hella cool though, like the tower in Pisa or the ammunition factory with german skellies.

[Anonymous No.2655361]

>>2652789
What's the difference between that and the NA version

[Anonymous No.2655481]

>>2654823

Think between CV1 and CV3 in terms of difficulty.

[Anonymous No.2655530]

>>2653771
The main reason is the enemy placement I find that they are always placed in ways that are impossible to avoid getting hit. This is compounded by the fact that as soon as you leave the part of the screen that the enemy sprite is on it respawns. The worst offender is the clock tower. Some of the enemies are placed in a way that makes them impossible to avoid without stopping time, which isn't always possible to do.

I also felt that one or two of the levels go on a bit long, especially the first one.

The music was alright, but wasn't up to Castlevania standards.

With that said, I like the way they tried something new with the powerups, and the second part of Dracula's fight is better than the Dracula fights in Adventure or Belmont's Revenge.

I haven't played any Metroidvanias so my opinion is not biased by them or by Iga's opinion of the game.

So to say 'Stay away' might be a bit harsh for this game (and Adventure and Dracula X), but I just don't find them as good as other games in the series.

[Anonymous No.2655538]

Metroidvanias are superior. Fite me.

[Anonymous No.2655624]

>>2654964
>Or I could just play an actually good Castlevania

I was completely right >>2653638 You classic fans don't even play all the games. You pick one or two, play that and then shit endlessly on all the others. I'm starting to doubt you even truly like Castlevania at all, you just like saying you do. If you were actual fans of the series you wouldn't be content just playing the same game over and over.

[Anonymous No.2655645]

>>2655624
Don't forget that a lot of people here are collector's as well. They might simply be focusing their attention on the games they actually own.

[Anonymous No.2655659]

>>2654223
> 4 is for sure not as bad as Simon's Quest

Wait, what? Is Simon's Quest considered hard now? It seems like every time I mention it's one of my favorite games I get the line about how obtuse it is. And when I point out that really doesn't matter after your first playthrough, they say the mansions suck and the whole thing is too easy. Whatever though, I'm used to it getting shit on. It's never hurt my love for it.

[Anonymous No.2655750]

>>2655645
I will never understand those people. Collecting is all well and good if you're into that. But limiting the games you actually play because of it seems so backwards to me.

[Anonymous No.2655771]

>>2655538
Different, not superior. Shut up.

>>2655624
That's bullshit. A classic fan is more likely to have player the whole series from Vampire Killer to Lords of Shadow 2

[Anonymous No.2655780]

Ok so am I the only one that genuinely enjoyed 64/Legacy of Darkness? I seem to have quite an odd taste for castlevanias. My favourites are:

Curse of Darkness
Lament of Innocence
Aria of Sorrow
Dawn of Sorrow
64/LoD
SotN

And unless there's some that I have missed I think I have played all of them. The worst for me were the Lords of Shadows series (gameplay wise, the story I actually liked it). Also best title screen and title music
https://youtu.be/kekitaCO6Wk

And best introduction to the game
https://youtu.be/YNJTzFecXTE

[Anonymous No.2655781]

>>2655771
>A classic fan is more likely to have player the whole series from Vampire Killer to Lords of Shadow 2

That would be the assumption, but it doesn't actually seem to pan out. I would assume there are some genuine fans of the whole series who post here, but most people like one game in the series or maybe two and shit on everything else so hard it makes me seriously wonder why.

[Anonymous No.2655789]

>>2654943

>>2654943

>If you think it's easy, make it so killing everything takes forever and you die in one hit

The fun of Symphony of the Night is the exploration and the fact that you can break the game over your knee without even trying. Why would you take out the only good things it has going for it?

[Anonymous No.2655802]

>>2655789
>The fun of Symphony of the Night is the exploration and the fact that you can break the game over your knee without even trying.

Not him, but I strongly agree with the first part and strongly disagree with the second part. The fact that you get ridiculously overpowered just by playing normally and that the game doesn't give you anything in the way of challenges that put all that power to a good test is the biggest problem with it.


Not that it's not intrinsically fun to mow through an entire room of what would be super nasty enemies with the Shield Rod, or walk around killing everything with an endless army of skeletons with the Sword of Dawn. But how much greater would the game have been if there were sections, even optional ones where even being that OP, they still found a way to give you a good challenge.

[Anonymous No.2655805]

>>2655781
The opposite it's an assumption too. I've seen more Metroidvania or Mercuryvania fans talk shit having played only three or four titles than classic fans who usually have played the whole series and talk based on their knowledge.

>>2655780
I enjoy them too. For me Legacy of Darkness and Castlevania 64 are good games and genuinely good Castlevanias.

My favourites are (no order whatsoever)

Castlevania
Super Castlevania IV
Dracula X (The SNES one)
Belmont's Revenge
Adventure Rebirth
Legacy of Darkness
Dawn of Sorrow
Circle of the Moon
Curse of Darkness
Lords of Shadow

The rest range from Very Good to Meh, with Harmony of Dissonance as the only Fucking Awful one (I still play it from time to time)

[Anonymous No.2655810]

>>2654943
There's something REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALY wrong if you have to play the game in a way other than intended in order to have a challenge.

[Anonymous No.2655812]

>>2655805
The thing is, I would assume that a fan of classic Castlevania would be fans of the series in general. But almost all of them say one or two games are excellent and the others are all shit. Maybe it's just that classic CV fans tend to be dicks, but when someone claims to be a fan of a series and yet only likes one or two of the games from it I seriously question if they're actually fans of the series in general.

Like I say, I'm sure there are other people like you and me who like many of the games in the series, but I think we're the minority.

[Anonymous No.2655814]

>>2655810
People do that with games all the time though. Challenging yourself with self imposed limitations can be fun. But I will certainly agree it's a real shame how easily you become stupid overpowered in that game.

I wish there was a no-leveling hack for it. Starting with 99 luck and the lapis lazuli is good, but you still get crazy powerful just by killing what you run into.

[Anonymous No.2655815]

>>2652789
Debatable, I'd put it better than Super 4 simply because it's more challenging and diverse and on par with the original, Rondo and 3 though are on a whole different level though.

[Anonymous No.2655820]

>>2652995
Blame Kojima and Iga for making Castlevania all the characters super anime and feminine looking, not Rondo

[Anonymous No.2655823]

>>2655814 I gotta agree with that. I am >>2655780 and I think the whole series is fantastic, there are a ton of awesome games there (some of them not so awesome though, keeping in mind Castlevania has a quite big amount of titles). I just posted my favorites in no particular order, but I don't get also why "fans" of the series say "X and Y games are good, all the rest are shit". If that's the case you clearly are not a fan of the series (nothing wrong with it). For example, I only liked FIFA World Cup and Fifa Street for PSP in the entire series, so I wouldn't consider myself a fan of the series.

[Anonymous No.2655825]

>>2655823
I meant to reply to >>2655812

[Anonymous No.2655826]

>>2652943
>it's kind of a hassle to get the same result. Should've just went with infinites like the rest of the series.
>Oh no, its so hard entering that cheat code to play on baby mode.
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.2655827]

>>2655812
Yeah, i do too, however it's not something exclusive con classic Castlevania fans.

Most of those who claim to be fans of "classic" games are posers. I would kill to see a AlttP fan playing Link's Adventure, or a Super Mario World fan speedrunning the original SMB. Also, each time i see anyone claiming Rondo of Blood (wich i actually find meh and somewhat bloated) as the best as if his life depends on it i would pay to see him/her playing Dracula's Curse, the OG Castlevania or Haunted Castle.

[Anonymous No.2655832]

>>2653063
>Nobody actually likes or has played Rondo of Blood

[Anonymous No.2655834]

>>2655827
>posers
nostalgia rush, I forgot shit like that existed

[Anonymous No.2655837]

>>2655820
Rondo of Blood was the first Anime Castlevania, and not in a good way.

And there's no way to prove it worng

[Anonymous No.2655838]

>>2653123
>not knowing you can unlock original Rondo and the best version of SOTN
For someone from /v/, it's kind of surprising you didn't know that.

[Anonymous No.2655839]

>>2655781
>it makes me seriously wonder why
Because it's easier to get attention when you exagerate your opinion. I doubt even a fifth of the people calling some games "shit" actually mean it.

[Anonymous No.2655842]

>>2655832
Rondo of Blood has been aviable in the West for almos a decade on Wii/Wii U and PSP/Vita.

[Anonymous No.2655845]

>>2655823
> If that's the case you clearly are not a fan of the series (nothing wrong with it)

I agree completely. But I feel like Castlevania is one of those series people think they "should" like, even though the games don't actually appeal to them a whole lot. So they find the one they like the best, or the one they actually bothered to play through and then insist it's the best one by far.

Illustrated perfectly by the guy asking why he would play Dracula X instead of Rondo or Bloodlines. If he was an actual Castlevania fan he'd want to play it because it's another game in the series. Maybe there's another reason why they act that way, I don't know. It's just super weird that all classic CV threads are like this.

[Anonymous No.2655849]

>>2655837
>Making a japanese exclusive game
>with cutscenes
>in the middle of the 90's anime renaissance
>not making it anime
Konami made the right move, the game was already obscure enough being on PCE CD, despite PCE being 2nd in Japan.

[Anonymous No.2655851]

>mfw fighting Bloodlines gargoyle boss the first time

[Anonymous No.2655852]

>>2655842
I think you replied to the wrong post

[Anonymous No.2655858]

>>2655852
Hahahaha yes i did, Sorry

[Anonymous No.2655874]

>>2655837
>>2655195
lol

Also, people who get annoyed by anime in Japanese games are hilarious in general.

[Anonymous No.2655879]

>>2655874
I don't get annoyed. I like them, i love Rondo and Dawn artstyle in fact. But it's a fact that Rondo of Blood was the first mainline anime Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.2655882]

>>2655879
>>2655879
Also, about that "Not in a good way" I meat Maria Renard. I honestly find her irritating, and somehow her design doesn't fit with the rest of the game.

DXC almost fixes the issue. Almost.

[Anonymous No.2655883]

>>2655879
But it's not a fact that it was the first anime styled Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.2655919]

>>2655845
Again, collectors. There are people paying crazy prices for some of these carts now. If you just dropped a big chunk of money on Bloodlines (or whatever) you're naturally going to want to make yourself feel like you made the right choice and say you think it's the best.

[Anonymous No.2656003]

>>2652779

Castlevania II is garbage.

[Anonymous No.2656019]

>>2656003
Explain.

[Anonymous No.2656049]

>>2655361
Like, everything. The main thing is Grant has infinite knives he can throw across the entire screen. He absolutely rapes most levels because of it. NOA shat their pants and feared kids would beat the game in a day on a rental so they nerfed him into oblivion by giving him one 2 pixel long knife he can't throw and making him next to useless.

There's also some enemy sprites that were pointlessly changed for the US release, and of course the JP version has a better sound chip.

[Anonymous No.2656082]

>>2655820
You know Kojima a) came in after that era of cutesy-vanias already happened, and b) he just lent his name to the game and didn't do any design or development right?

>Kojima had little to nothing to do with the development of the first game, he came by, set a seal, visited the studio, signed some things and that was it. He had even less to do with Mirror of Fate and LoS2.

From the letter of the anonymous MercuryStream employee that came out after shit hit the fan with LoS2.

[Anonymous No.2656097]

Castlevania aka Casual Dark Souls?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????????????????

[Anonymous No.2656103]

>>2656019
Don't take the b8, m8

Okay so I'm going to assume everyone in this thread has beaten most of the Castlevanias, so it's pointless to list which ones. Instead list which ones you DIDN'T beat yet, it'll be shorter.

>Both N64 ones
I tried to emu them and they seem alright but playing with a DS3 is next to impossible and I never had a real N64, so I'll just have to wait.

>Vampire Killer
I firmly believe this is impossible unless you are a Castlevania god.

>Lords of Shadow 2
because I just don't like the setting.

>Order of Shadows
Screw cellphone games.

>Judgement
No interest in a fighting game.

>Harmony of Despair
No interest in an online co-op Castlevania.

[Anonymous No.2656119]

>>2656103
>Castlevania II
I don't know why, I should

>GB ones
I heard bad things about them and graphix sucks

>N64
>n64 emu

>los2
don't care

>harmony
don't have a ps3

>vampire killer
MSX emulator shat itself the one time I tried playing I should retry

>every metroidvania after sotn
I don't like sotn that much so I don't know if I should play them

[Anonymous No.2656131]

I can't belive some people actually like Dawn of Sorrow, that was the worst CV ive ever played, people are probably so blindly dumb to liking an Alucard like protag that they will rate it the best game in the series because "swords n muh souls"

[Anonymous No.2656142]

>>2656103
>All the 3D ones except Lament of Innocence. That game is partly why I didn't bother with other 3D ones.

>vampire killer
>Dracula X
Just haven't got round to it yet.

>Bloodlines
I don't know, something about it has never grabbed me. Played it numerous times, but never bothered to finish.

>Order of Shadows
Hadn't even heard of it

>Harmony of Despair
Also no interest in online co-op castlevania

>Belmont's Reveng
>Legends
>Kid Dracula
Didn't like the first Gameboy one, didn't bother with the others.

Overall I'm more of a fan of the metroidvanias, but CVII will always be one of my favorites. Haters be damned!

[Anonymous No.2656148]

>>2656131
I thought it was alright, probably my least favorite of the metroids. A bit bland and grindy for souls, but not as bad as Adventure I would say. And it's lightyears better than Mirror of Fate.

The extra mode in it is legit pretty great though.

[Anonymous No.2656192]

>>2656119
>I heard bad things about them and graphix sucks

They're not too bad, a little slow, but still worth at least one run. Belmont's Revenge is the best of the lot if you want to start with that.

[Anonymous No.2656198]

Thoughts on Castlevania 2? As a main series game and a game in general?

[Anonymous No.2656209]

>>2656198
Love it.

Love roaming the countryside and seeing all the towns.

Love the awesome music. CV2 gave us some of the best in the series.

[Anonymous No.2656241]

>>2656198
I think it's fantastic. It's what I wish the metroidvanais were more like. Huge open world that you just of explore and make your way through. It's one big problem is the translation is sometimes misleading, but ultimately it's pretty straightforward there's only one bit that's really baffling unless you know what to do.

Other than that it's like an open world Castlevania game with a day/night cycle where night time is actually scary. One of my favorites in the whole series. Depending on the day it's sometimes right at the top.

[Anonymous No.2656270]

>>2654013
??? whats dis?

[Anonymous No.2656278]

>>2656270
Rebirth, the Wii Ware remake of CV1 on Gameboy

[Anonymous No.2656461]

>>2656278
Re-imagining, you mean.

Adventure and A:R are nothing alike.

[Anonymous No.2656474]

>>2656082
Not Hideo, you fucking retard, Ayami Kojima.

You know, the artist for all the games from SotN onward who has a very fucking distinct art style?

[Anonymous No.2656495]

Speaking of Kojima, looks like MGS5 came out today. Was it worth the wait?

[Anonymous No.2656508]

>>2656495

Everyone on /v/ is losing their shit because Venom Snake is not Big Boss but a random medic soldier who got brainwashed into thinking he's Snake and got a face reconstruction, you play the whole game as medic Snake and the real big boss is Skullface.
Also Quiet dies.

[Anonymous No.2656514]

>>2656082

wrong kojima you idiot

[Anonymous No.2656554]

>>2652779
I beat it on expert with both characters OP. I went crazy doing it and love it. It's one of the best Classicvanias. Rebirth for Wii is tight too.

[Anonymous No.2656560]

>>2653912
I got the NES one when it came out. I like em all. Igas and everything.

[Anonymous No.2656564]

>>2654000
Sad. Great game. Great bosses.

[Anonymous No.2656572]

>>2654108
NES Castlevania up two levels, Rebirth and 4 up one level and I would agree.

[Anonymous No.2656575]

>>2656508
Thanks for the spoilers cunt.

[Anonymous No.2656586]

>>2653625
It's still funny to think about, party pooper.
Anyway, I prefer Bloodlines simply out of speed. I feel that it moves at a faster pace than the other games. I love them all, don't get me wrong but sometimes games like Rondo of Blood and the NES Castlevanias feel too sluggish for me. Just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.2656654]

I got Dracula X Chronicles for PSP, god it's pissing me off so fucking much I have to do all this crap in the shitty remake just to unlock the actual game.

[Anonymous No.2656693]

>>2656654
god forbid you have to play three levels

[Anonymous No.2656714]

>>2656654
>>2656693
It's not like it's a bad remake either.

[Anonymous No.2656717]

>>2656714
Just the graphics look like ass is all.

[Anonymous No.2656747]

>>2653150
Who said it wasn't?

[Anonymous No.2656751]

>>2656747
The Rondorks who enjoy shitting on IV for being "too easy".

[Anonymous No.2656754]

>>2653150
James said it was his favorite, so now people are afraid to agree lest they be called avgn meme spouters.

[Anonymous No.2656874]

>>2656241
>>2656209
I'm guessing people just don't like it because of Agitated Vidya Glasses Nord. I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.2656904]

>>2653150

They played Castlevania Chronicles.
That's what I'd like to think anyway.

[Anonymous No.2656937]

>>2655659
That's been elaborated on before, I don't think anyone has said that the gameplay itself is particularly harder than any other of the games, it's just that there's a couple of pretty specific things you have to do in the game to progress, which are not obvious, and the game is meant to tell you this with clues and hints, talking to people, etc, but in the English translation, the clues and hints are all gone and replaced with rubbish which doesn't tell you anything about what you're supposed to do (because the translator probably had gonads for brains).

It's a fundamental flaw of communication, and it's not a part of the original game.
There's romhacks with fixed translations though, turning it from an obtuse game into an OK game.

[Anonymous No.2656941]

>>2656874
People have disliked the English translation before he was famous, and it's not like he doesn't have legit complaints about it.
Hell, out of character he doesn't even hate it, he likes it, but thinks it's heavily flawed.

[Anonymous No.2656943]

>>2656049
The American version is superior because you can't cheese it with infinite throwing knives. Acquire aptitude.

[Anonymous No.2656961]

>>2656943
>he uses supporting characters while trying to act like a pretentious hardcore gaymer

YOU FAIL IT.

[Anonymous No.2657376]

My personal favorite is rondo of blood, but bloodlines is a close second. Only flaw was no unlimited continues.

[Anonymous No.2657379]

>>2652789
>Japanese version of Castlevania 3 is the best Castlevania game.
m'nigga

[Anonymous No.2657512]

>>2656941
>>2656754
I know this board has some weird issue with James but his 4-part Castlevania retrospective is fucking great, I rewatch it all the time.

Only issue is he plays the SNES version of Rondo.

[Anonymous No.2657527]

>>2656874
Nah, people have and will hate it regardless of AVGN. It's a pretty big step back from the original game in many ways, and if you don't value the added exploration and RPG elements then the game's a pretty big disappointment. The level design isn't even half as good as the worst thing found in CV, the bosses are a total joke and the challenge is absent. Then you have the grinding and shitty localisation. If you just look at it as its own game it's a pretty good action/adventure game considering the time period, though.

[Anonymous No.2657575]

>>2656714
>>2656693
Ok while I was definitely overreacting because I kept getting rekt by bats on the stairs, now that I've unlocked the original game I can say without a doubt the jumping and attacking in the remake is fucked in comparison.

I was wondering why I was getting so frustrated despite never feeling frustrated by the NES game at all, and I think that's gotta be why, coupled with the graphics.

[Anonymous No.2657590]

>>2657575
It's probably the 30fps. Although they also fucked up some of the level design so you can skip more areas with simple damage boosting/backwards flips.

[Anonymous No.2657728]

>>2657512
Watch the James & Mike Mondays from like a month ago to see them play the original Rondo. He sucks at it. They both do. The one axe knight they couldn't for the life of them figure out you just have to backflip over it. Then when they finally did they fucked it all up and said it's impossible to get by without taking damage. I was fucking furious.

[Anonymous No.2657764]

>>2657728
It's kinda hilarious how awful they are at games, even considering they're concentrating on talking more than actually playing.

But I give them credit for always sticking to it and doing it legit. They suck ass but they never cheat or try to find a more casual way.

[Anonymous No.2658090]

>>2657512
>SNES version of Rondo

There is no SNES version of Rondo. Dracula X is a different game.

[Anonymous No.2658094]

>>2658090
It's basically the Majora's Mask of Castlevania games. Uses same assets from an earlier game but is more poorly designed and shorter/easier. And of course Rondo is equivalent to the OoT of Classicvanias.

[Anonymous No.2658109]

>>2658094

Disagree about poorly designed and easier (it has no casual Maria mode, for starters, although you can rescue her).
Also not too sure about your Zelda analogy, but I guess sure... I like both OOT and MM, and I like both Rondo and Dracula X, because I'm not a pretentious cunt that HAS to pick a side.

[Anonymous No.2658120]

>>2658109
>no casual Maria mode
>casual Maria
>casual
I want this meme to end.

[Anonymous No.2658194]

>>2658120
>double jump
>Sanic speed rolling
>Star Platinum ohko's most enemies
>ending which mocks you for using her

Of course she's for casuals.

[Anonymous No.2658205]

>>2658120
Nigga she makes the game easier than it already is.

[Anonymous No.2658559]

>>2658120

Only if the "Dracula X is bad port of Rondo" meme ends first :)

Also Maria is the casual mode in an already easy Castlevania game, what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.2658674]

People are attacking Rondo in favor of Bloodlines now. And so the cycle continues. Up next... Chronicles?

[Anonymous No.2658675]

>>2658674
Chronicles is still in "obscure game you plebs have never heard of" status. Give it time.

[Anonymous No.2658720]

>>2658674
Too late. Some guy a while back was shitting on the remake of the X68K game around here because of too many changes making the game easier, along with the gayer redesign of Simon.

[Anonymous No.2658727]

>>2658720

Of course, what tryhards who don't actually play the games they're trash talking realize is that the X68k remake has a hard mode which is harder than the original and is thus the superior game by this stupid H4RDCXXXRE GAYMEZ ONLYYYYYY mentality.

[Anonymous No.2658732]

We should shit on the best portable Castlevania next for our flavor of the thread game to hate.

[Anonymous No.2658748]

>>2658675
Nah it's been on PSN for years, everyone has the chance to get it.

[Anonymous No.2658756]

I got my copy of Castlevania X Chronicles signed by Igarashi at PAX Prime this last week.

He was really drunk.

[Anonymous No.2658798]

Okay you fags, I've had enough of this shitfling, favorite game this, best game that.

Let's get down to the real problems.

Which Belmont has the best powerwalk?

[Anonymous No.2658943]

>>2658798
Richter, or Trevor.

[Anonymous No.2658948]

Good gameplay and replay value, but the art is poor, I know isn't important, but it looks llike a 8-bit game, and the tiles sometimes are screwed, SCIV despite being years old have a better graphic; Even with its flaws Bloodlines could have been the worth response to SCIV, but it came too late.

[Anonymous No.2658983]

Is someone watching Zeta Plays up in here? He started his playthrough of this game the day before this was posted.

Weird.

[Anonymous No.2659461]

>>2658943
Richter has a great powerwalk, but Trevor is a poor version of Simon, and Simon powerwalk is on a complete different level since he can even moonwalk up and down stairs.

[Anonymous No.2659475]

>>2658948
The art in 4 is decent, but the shitty animations are on par with the NES games.

[Anonymous No.2659578]

>>2658983
OP here. Never heard of him before, guess I'll go check out the first episode.

>abusing save states

Aaand not watching him again.

[Anonymous No.2660024]

>>2659461
Yeah. The moonwalking is gonna be tough to beat.