Daggerfall

[Anonymous No.2632552]

>Quick Daggerfall Guide
>http://pastebin.com/Zut1W5Wx

Let's have a Daggerfall thread please.

[Anonymous No.2633080]

>>2632552
>CLOTHESFALL.ZIP and WOMENFALL.ZIP make female characters not look like hideous beasts.

Wow so realistic looking females are now hideous beasts? Take your sexist garbage back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.2633143]

>tfw daggerxl is 100% dead

This one seems to be progressing nicely though.
http://www.dfworkshop.net/

[Anonymous No.2633234]

I have a really dumb question about spells. How do you cast them?

I'm just now trying to play this game for the first time and I don't get it. I have 'swing weapon' set to left mouse button. I select my spell and it says 'press button to fire spell'. Pressing left mouse does nothing. Where am I going wrong?

[Anonymous No.2633237]

>>2633234
ok dw I got it. had to press the 'interact' button instead.

[Anonymous No.2633238]

>>2633234

If you're trying to cast an offensive spell, you need to have a target in front of you. Other spells should work without issues.

When it comes to magic in Daggerfall I'd focus on support spells and attack with weapons.

[Anonymous No.2633239]

>>2633143

Why don't aaaholes like that guy make this shit open source before abandoning the Internet?

I remember those "beta is just around the corner!" Posts, how many years ago was that?

[Anonymous No.2633240]

>>2633239
I'm guessing they worry that someone would take part of their work and not give them any credit when they do release a fully finished version so they'd rather just let it die with their ego.

[Anonymous No.2633245]

>>2632552
Why would slut have critical weakness to diseases? Wouldn't that be pretty a fatal flaw considering her line of work?

[Anonymous No.2633539]

>>2633239
Last update at all was over a fucking year ago. Forumgoers there said he hasnt even logged on there in a year. Safe to say that the XL Engine is dead in the water.

Either way it was fucking retarded of him to not give the project to someone else when it became clear that it would never finish. Hell OpenMW is full open source and it has fully playable builds now.

That Unity port seems to be progressing nicely, might give that a go when it has a playable build.

[Anonymous No.2634241]

[Anonymous No.2634243]

When the remake is done, how moddable will the game be? Will we finally get rid of tons of bugs? Will useless features like languages be upgraded?

Wouldn't it be super cool to actually be able to shoplift without godly high stats?

[Anonymous No.2634280]

>>2634243
The guy on dfworkshop does have tools already out for use, and he said he'd be releasing a playable build soon about 10 days ago.

[Anonymous No.2634284]

>>2634241
I love that pasta. Sad that it never actually triggers anyone, since any anon who's actually played the game would know most of it is bull.

[Anonymous No.2634928]

>>2634280
This and the System Shock remake projects have me so pumped, I can't even describe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBU5GpapHU

[Anonymous No.2634963]

>>2634928
Wait, someone's actually making a System Shock 1 remake? Hopefully it'll make it more playable.

And damn that looks good. Wonder if they can implement wandering monsters and such with the tools so the wilderness can feel a bit more alive.

[Anonymous No.2635065]

>>2634963
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=6977.0

[Anonymous No.2635093]

>>2635065
That actually looks pretty nice.

I do hope to see how that Daggerfall remake goes. Might be able to make the game feel a bit more alive.

[Anonymous No.2636042]

Post bizarre conversations.

[Anonymous No.2636047]

>>2636042
pt. 2

[Anonymous No.2636052]

polite = etiquette
blunt = street smarts

>>2636042
>attempts to persuade using street smarts
>fails, proceeds to piss off NPC
>>2636047
>attempts to persuade using etiquette
>fails, proceeds to piss off NPC

I recommend playing a slut like OP.

[Anonymous No.2637056]

Quick question for a guy who hasnt really touched DOSBOX in ages. How do I get Daggerfall to run in a big window? Full screen has too much screen tear for my tastes. And the regular window mode is pretty small.

[Anonymous No.2637165]

>>2637056
DOSBOX has integer window scaling settings... somewhere. I don't remember how to access them but that's your best bet for good performance with a larger "screen."

[Anonymous No.2637218]

>>2637165
Found it. Seems it only goes up to 3x. But the area on a 1600x900 monitor is just find like that.

Thanks. Now to relearn how to play Daggerfall.

[Anonymous No.2637234]

>>2634963
With system shock portable it was perfectly playable.

[Anonymous No.2637237]

>>2637234
All right. Where can I find that, then? Some of the links seem to be down.

[Anonymous No.2637238]

>>2637237
You can't anymore. Got C&D because someone bought the rights to SS recently.
I could upload it I guess.

[Anonymous No.2637441]

>>2636042
Does tone matter at all? I always receive normal answer no matter what I pick.

[Anonymous No.2637481]

>>2632552
>primary skill nymph
sweatinggirls.jpg

[Anonymous No.2637609]

>>2636042
My favorite.

>>2637441
Tone won't change the responses you get, it just changes the likelihood of you successfully getting an answer based on the type of NPC and your Etiquette/Streetwise skill for Polite and Blunt, respectively. Also, with the exception of Spymasters, you won't get more than one successful response regarding a "Tell me about..." topic from the same conversation. Close the window and talk again if you want to hear about multiple topics from the same NPC.

[Anonymous No.2637985]

>>2632552
>Primary Skill Nymph
>Minor Skills Giantish and Orcish
Oh my

[Anonymous No.2639489]

>>2637238
could you? I'd also like this

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.2641678]

>>2634241
I can just imagine some dunmer reading this and scratching his head.

[Anonymous No.2641826]

>>2636042

[Anonymous No.2642187]

So wanted to make a magic knight with support spells. Anyone got a recommended spread of Primary and Major skills? Feels a bit odd adjusting back from so much Skyrim and Oblivion.

[Anonymous No.2642561]

Okay so I'm gonna play Daggerfall for the first time. Is there a pre-packed version that has the ling-draw-distance mod I think it's called Eye of Argonia?

[Anonymous No.2642572]

Gonna give this AncestralGhost package a spin. Looks like what I'm after.

[Anonymous No.2642587]

>>2642561
The pastebin in the OP has all the information you need. The DaggerfallSetup you get from the wiki is the best available version of the game and it comes with the mod ready to apply. The mod applies to save files, since that's where the relevant settings are stored. Thus the mod can't just apply to the game itself, and since you cannot save until you've created a character, you can't just use a pre-set save for everyone. You must apply it each time you create a new character. You do so by immediately saving the game as soon as you spawn in the cave, without touching any settings, then running the mod and applying it to the save. When you load the "DETAIL" slider should be twice as long and go past the box like in pic related, confirming that it worked.

There's also two things I'd add that aren't mentioned in the OP's pastebin:
1. DagSkills is a non-vanilla option as well, rather than a bugfix like it appears in the installer. It raises the caps on all attributes and skills so they can reach up to 200 instead of 100. There's nothing wrong with it and there's no reason not to use it unless you're a purist who only wants bugfixes, but your game will work just fine without it as well.
2. There's a fix from /tg/ for many books where several words and paragraphs would run off the screen: https://mega.co.nz/#!PUUHDQwC!SqIWgQTn16o7ZTdxO67i_eo0FAc0Yl0d_HyL7q3NHMQ

[Anonymous No.2643616]

>>2633245
It's possible that he intends to take the background option "I have trouble resisting diseases". According to the wiki, if you pick both that and "critical weakness", it underflows and you become practically immune to disease.

I tried it and I caught Witches' Pox from a "Guard the Mages Guild mission", but no other diseases. And I've fought a shit-ton of lycanthropes.

[Anonymous No.2643847]

What scaling does everyone recommend? none, normal2x, hq2x etc...

[Anonymous No.2644008]

>>2643847
>use dosbox daum
>output=direct3d
>scaler=xbrz
>win

[Anonymous No.2644023]

>>2643847
None

You do have a CRT for retro PC games, don't you?

>>2642561
remember to turn on mouse look

[Anonymous No.2644745]

>>2642187
Main schools of magic you're looking for are, in order of importance:

Restoration - heals, stat buffs, your bread and butter. Regeneration effect is broken and you can customize it to heal half your life bar every couple seconds. But thats gay so don't do that.
Alteration - Resistance spells, Shield (great spell), and useful tools like Water Walking / Breathing and Slowfall
Thaumaturgy - Mainly for Levitate, the most useful spell in the game. There's also some overlap with Alteration on some of the spell protections like Spell Reflection and Spell Shield that can shut down those faggot lategame casters
Mysticism - Good for Recall and Soul Trap exclusively. Maybe Open if you can't be assed to swing at a door a few times.

Illusion and Destruction I wouldn't bother with, though Invisibility True is a pretty strong effect.

As far as the martial side of things, you will want to pick one weapon class as a Primary and stick to it, with Archery a solid Major. Depending on how you assigned your magic skills you will want to prioritize these skills as well: Critical Strike, Medical, Dodging. The athletic skills like Jumping, Climbing and Swimming are neat flavor but ultimately irrelevant once you have magic that can perform those tasks a lot better. Leave Running in miscellaneous; it increases stupidly fast and will be 100% by the time you're around 7th level.

[Anonymous No.2644929]

Can I backstab with a bow in this game? Because thats my jam

[Anonymous No.2645023]

>>2644929
Yep. It's surprisingly easy to pull off too because enemies like to spin around when they approach a corner or attempt to go through a doorway, which they will do a lot when you're shooting from a distance.

[Anonymous No.2645063]

>>2644745
A wise assessment, but I'd also add that there are some "magically locked" doors that can neither be picked nor bashed. Almost all of them are tied to some kind of puzzle or switch nearby, but they can all be bypassed with a strong enough Open spell as well. It's a great time saver to have one handy. You may find that it's more magicka-efficient to use a cheaper lower chance spell many times until it succeeds rather than an expensive one with a higher chance per cast. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out the best chance-per-magicka by fiddling with the spell maker. Mysticism skill can help a lot for that.

And this won't apply to most characters, but True Invisibility is extremely convenient for Vampires. If you need to feed you can cast it then summon some guards by stealing stuff in the nearest shop and they won't attack you. You can then pick one off without any others noticing your presence, so you'll likely be able to get some blood without taking any damage yourself, thus avoiding the reputation hit you get for being arrested or resisting arrest. One kill is all it takes to get the ability to rest back, so you can just leave the other guards be as long as you remember not to enter that shop again within the next 3 days without Invisibility activated. You shouldn't need a long duration to pull this off, so it's not a reason to actually invest in the Illusion skill.

Finally, it needs to be said that a magicka multiplier Advantage (2x INT or higher) is pretty much mandatory if you want to make a character that uses magic. An unenhanced magicka pool is miniscule even at max INT. You can also make up for it with enchanted equipment.

[Anonymous No.2645076]

>>2644745
Thanks. Do Fighter's Guild and Mage's Guild things conflict with each other too much?

Also is there a specific type of store that sells potions, or is it all loot/alchemy?

[Anonymous No.2645119]

>>2645076
Never mind on the 2nd one. Found out that oddly enough Temples are the ones that sold potions in Daggerfall. Expected Alchemists to have em.

[anonymous yam No.2645159]

i never got into dagger fall well to be truthful i can't get out of the first prison i get stuck and die

[Anonymous No.2645162]

I was in a chat with someone being rough on Arena because of all the graphical glitches and limitations, and I realized... I don't actually know if it's a proper raycaster, or if they were doing an early version of a portal engine or what. Anyone happen to know this shit?

[Anonymous No.2645191]

>>2645023
Sweet thanks. Started playing, got my controls configured etc. Sound is choppy as hell though even with 8096 audio buffer.

[Anonymous No.2645217]

>>2645159
It isn't that hard. The main thing to watch out for is the imps and bear. Save often and look around for a hugeass room with a throne on it. Jump on the throne and pull the lever and go through the hallway above until you get to a door on your right. The opening with the skull inside the door is the dungeon exit.

[Anonymous No.2645532]

What stats should I give to a mage? Is there something you can sacrifice?

[Anonymous No.2645795]

>>2645532
Strength obviously

[Anonymous No.2645969]

>>2645532
I guess you can take a bit off of speed.

[Anonymous No.2646707]

i want to run around punching everything in the dick.

what do

[Anonymous No.2646731]

>>2646707
>put all points to speed
>don't take hand to hand as primary skill
>tick damage everything to death
>enjoy punching things in the dick 100x a second before they die

[Anonymous No.2646826]

[Anonymous No.2647113]

>>2646731
>contract lycanthropy

WHISHWHISHWHISHWHISHWHISHWHISHWHISH kerthunk

[Anonymous No.2647135]

>>2646731
>hokuto juha zan

[Anonymous No.2647161]

>>2646826
I feel bad for the poor guy, ugly people gotta hump something somewhere.

[Anonymous No.2648970]

>these fucking dungeons

Now I kinda remember one of the reasons I sorta fell off on playing the game. The dungeons are mazelike as shit. Fetch/kill X quests are a pain in the ass because of all the samey rooms. Not helping when you have to do switch hunting.

[Anonymous No.2649172]

>>2648970
Rooms have about the same variety as Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Different clutter, arrangement, themes and all that jazz. I actually prefer Daggerfall's multiple objective points and huge dungeons. There's more room for monsters and loot. Plus you aren't forced to follow the same path over and over because the dungeons aren't linear.

With Skyrim it's easy to lose motivation before even getting to play it. All the quests and dungeons are exactly alike. Even when comparing radiant quests to regular quests. The dungeons seem to have more variety compared to previous TES games. But fundamentally all the dungeons are the same. They either loop from beginning to end in a linear path. Or they're a linear path that leads to a different exit.

[Anonymous No.2649272]

>>2649172
I mean how damn mazelike and winding they get. Looking at the 3d map when you've explored a large dungeon is a mass of tunnels, holes, and rooms sprawling every which way.

[Anonymous No.2649346]

>>2649272
Yeah, shit get's confusing. To be honest the medium sized dungeons are the most enjoyable ones. With the large dungeons it's a given that you shouldn't explore and loot the whole thing. Just get in and try to find the objective without getting raped.

[Anonymous No.2649405]

The game is now available on gog.com along with most Elder Scroll games (except Oblivion and Skyrim).
To people that can't get the game to work, I'd recommend you try their installer, it might be easier.

[Anonymous No.2649409]

>>2649405
Except there's a ready made installer in the OP's pastebin that makes it work right off the bat without having to fiddle with DOSBOX. Plus it has the addons and fixes right there.

[Anonymous No.2649540]

Pro Tip: Every House can be open with a 1 point Open spell.Very usefull for quest were you have to track and kill somebody.

[Anonymous No.2649649]

>>2649405
kek like i'm actually going to pay to play daggerfall

[Anonymous No.2650197]

>>2649649

It's free, they just re-packaged it

[Anonymous No.2651095]

>>2641678
>dunmer
>reading

Good one.

[Anonymous No.2651201]

>See this thread
>Oh boy, it's been...what, 15 years since I last played Daggerfall
>Reinstall it
>Make character
>Welp, time to relearn all the controls...
>Can't hit stuff for shit
>OH SHIT OH GOD HOW DOES THIS FUCKING MOUSE WORK
>Have a hard time against the fucking giant rat in the tutorial dungeon
>Die to the bat soon after

/vr/, I'm so fucking ashamed of myself, I feel like a senile asshole, am I the only one who completely forgot how to move around?
Everything feels so stilted, how the fuck could I play this game when I was 9?

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.2651274]

>>2651201
To attack things, you have to hold down the mouse and drag it, like you're dragging your weapon across the screen. You can attack in different directions, which is neat, but not very intuitive.

Daggerfalls controls take some getting used to, it's not just you.

[Anonymous No.2651316]

>>2651201
>how the fuck could I play this game when I was 9
You, or whoever installed it probably customized the controls. Just set up your controls so it plays like TES 3-5

[Anonymous No.2652947]

so you can supposedly see you pc nude in this.

Someone post a nekkid Khajit chicka.

[Anonymous No.2653107]

>>2652947
Fuck off furfag.

[Anonymous No.2653635]

>>2652947
Nigga if you even played the game you'd know that Khajit weren't even solidified yet. In Arena and Daggerfall they were just humans with slight feline features that decorated themselves with tattoos to emulate their feline cousins.

Supposedly those kind still exist but the games are too lazy to make different kahjit types.

[Anonymous No.2654979]

[Anonymous No.2655521]

>>2634928

this is fucking amazing, glad i hopped into this thread

[Anonymous No.2655817]

>>2646731
how do you attack this fast? If I remember correctly you had to drag your cursor to input an attack

[Anonymous No.2655848]

>>2655817
I'd also like to know this

[Anonymous No.2655905]

>>2655817
Just put up SPD and drag your mouse around in circles.

[Anonymous No.2656149]

>spend hours finding the perfect town for my character
>has a bank, all the shops I need and of acceptable qualities, and all the guilds I'm in
>get a house there
>get bored and make new character

One day I'll answer Lady Brisienna's letter.

[Anonymous No.2656954]

[Anonymous No.2657763]

>>2654979

Cool, maybe I'll come up with something good.

[Anonymous No.2658385]

Any tips for an archer/swordsman hybrid? Archery seems to flat out not work point blank.

[Anonymous No.2658417]

>>2658385
Get high SPD and AGI. Or take all the bonus to hit advantages.

[Anonymous No.2658657]

>>2654979
Rollin

[Anonymous No.2658705]

>>2654979
Here I go.

[Anonymous No.2658760]

>>2654979
lets see

[Anonymous No.2659049]

What are your thoughts on this build? Last time I played I used a cheese-fest Altmer character with tons of magicka and specialized in short blade so I could use my ebony dagger all the time. This time I wanted to do something different, but I'm not sure if any of the guilds or factions will want me because of my skills. Any input?

[Anonymous No.2659171]

>>2659049
With Archery and Critical Strike you can make it into the Fighters Guild and a Knightly Order. I don't think there are requirements for Temples, and for sure Thieves Guild will hire you. Pretty good build I'd say.

[Anonymous No.2659195]

>>2659049
Also I recommend joining the Temple of Julianos, since you won't be able to enchant otherwise.

[Anonymous No.2659250]

>>2659171
>>2659195

Awesome guys, thank you for the advice.

[Anonymous No.2660040]

Is hand-to-hand viable in this game?

Wanted to be a huge-fuck Argonian that tears people up with his claws.

[Anonymous No.2660056]

I'm going to start this game over again and play as a warrior mage combo. I'm tired of worrying about whether my sword is made of sufficient material to kill a magical creature.

[Anonymous No.2660117]

>>2660040
It is,actually.Youll need to put all your points on speed,strength and agility on the beginning.It helps that you can hit anything with your fists (even Daedra and ghosts).You may also want to get turned into a werewolf later in the game.

Biggest downside i can think of is that no faction has Hand-to-Hand as one of their skills.

[Anonymous No.2660259]

>>2660040
It has the potential to out-damage Daedric dai-kanas. Shit's rad. But they have really bad aim compared to high material quality weapons.

[Anonymous No.2660519]

anyone have links to the mods that where made in the general?

[Anonymous No.2660569]

>>2660519
Which mods?

[Anonymous No.2660765]

>>2660569
I believe it was a mod that tweaked some of the paper doll clothing.

[Anonymous No.2660773]

>>2660765
It's in the OP's pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/7EFSJrBG

[Anonymous No.2661151]

>>2654979
rullar!

[Anonymous No.2661257]

>>2649346
>Just get in and try to find the objective without getting raped.

I'm a new DF player and find the randomness very amusing.

In my first dungeon, I got the objective in the 1st or 3rd room.

Much later...

>somewhat new to DF
>explore the crap out of a dungeon (dunno if it was medium or large)
>fill cart with boatloads of booty
>get into using the surprisingly powerful map viewer
>explore everything except can't get past a certain point inhabited by a super high level enemy
>blew the objective's time limit (not taking on another 7-day quest involving a dungeon)
>never found objective

[Anonymous No.2661278]

>>2661257
There's secret rooms with paths that only open up by pressing switches. Sometimes the switch is a torch. If you see a hallway with some randomly placed torch on the wall, and somewhere along the hall it forks to a simple short dead-end, try to see if the torch is a switch.

[Anonymous No.2661307]

>>2661257
>never found objective
This is one thing I like about Daggerfall that many people seem to hate. The fact that I can actually fail makes the game more interesting. When I go into a dungeon, I don't know for sure if I'll finish the mission. No other TES is like that.

Lots of people hate that, though. They think they're so good, they have to be able to win every time. It's not like the game ends if they fail or anything, either.

[Anonymous No.2661314]

>>2661307
This.

"Uhh, I got a quest with a daedric prince as an enemy but I don't have admantium weapons yet, game is shit."

There are infinite amounts of quests, and it really is no big deal to fail one.

[Anonymous No.2661384]

>>2661307
THANK YOU!

I feel like I'm the only person who likes the variability of difficulty in Daggerfall. It feels so much more real than the back-patting, EZ-mode bullshit quests from Oblivion and Skyrim.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Oblivion and Skyrim also (hey, its all good), but I fucking hate the cheeky "oh good job, you followed the way point! boy wasn't that tough!?" that was present in Oblivion and Skyrim.

Morrowind was a happy medium in design for me, though, since I'm a big fan of dungeon crawlers, I like the sprawling, labyrinth dungeons of DF better than MW.

I think the fear of failure implicit in modern games is endemic. Games like Dark Souls are incredible divisive and almost controversial in their difficulty, but when you look back, MANY games had difficulty in varying degrees, and were more enjoyable for it.

Thanks fellow /vr/ bro you made my morning

[Anonymous No.2661928]

So I'm on a mage guild quest to kill an atronach, I get to the dungeon and find out it's filled to the fucking brim with liches, then I find this room. There's 5 liches, a few zombies, and god knows how many mages just gangfisting each other. Needless to say when I aggro them they all allahu akbar.

[Anonymous No.2662005]

To configure controls to mouselook with WASD and other generally better settings:

Open up z.cfg
Change "controls betaplyr.dat" to "controls viewplyr.dat" and save
Load DF save
Hit F10 to get rid of clunky interface at the bottom