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2631583 No.2631583 [Reply] [Original]

This 8 bit masterpiece from the '80s is better than any game that came out on the Genesis.

>inb4 nostalgia
Didn't own and beat LoZ until just a few years ago
>inb4 Nintenfag
Grew up a Segafag and for the most part still am

>> No.2631585

shitposting is a art

worst part is that you will get replies, especially from furious Sega fanboys.

>> No.2631593

Sega is the fedora of /vr/

>> No.2631595

>>2631593

Nah, Sega is a great /vr/ vidya company.
If you didn't own both Nintendo and Sega systems as a kid (or at LEAST had a friend who had the other console) you only had half a childhood, not a full one.

Both Sega and Nintendo get youngster hipster fans, Nintendo gets the classic hipsters and Sega gets the alternative hipsters, but both are just as bad.

>> No.2631606

>>2631595
I had neither.

>> No.2631608

>>2631595
*tips fedora*

>> No.2631612

>>2631606

There's always time to recover your lost childhood anon, even if you have to use emulators

>>2631608
struck a nerve?

>> No.2631615

>>2631612
What lost childhood? Just because I grew up with other games and systems doesn't mean I have a trauma.

>> No.2631617

>>2631583
It's a great game, and I really love it to death, but there's no reason to start console wars over it.

>> No.2631623

>>2631583
Hahahahahahahahah

Okay seriously. I grew up a Nintendofanboy and only recently got into Genesis. With all my nostalgia I can honestly say that I enjoy Genesis almost equally.
LoZ is a great game, but there are so many brilliant Genesis games that surpass it. Heck even some NES games surpass it.

>>2631593
When one has no arguments one resorts to namecalling

>> No.2631627

>didn't grow up with DOS games
>thinks he had a "full" childhood

>> No.2631631

>>2631627

>shitty DOS
>not AMIGA

you make me laugh

>> No.2631634

>>2631583
>>2631593
>>2631608
>>2631627
>>2631631
This thread sucks.

>> No.2631635

>tfw you can't play Zelda 1 with nothing but your wits.

>> No.2631637
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2631637

>>2631627

>DOS gaming

>> No.2631645

Centy m8

>> No.2631650 [DELETED] 

javascript:quote('2631637

>shit game that no one played
Wow, sure got me there.
Try Prince of Persia or Prehistorik 2 for fun platformers

>> No.2631653

>shit game that no one played
Wow, sure got me there.
Try Prince of Persia or Prehistorik 2 for fun platformers

>> No.2631661

>>2631653

Eh.. I won't deny PoP's relevance, but "fun" isn't a word that comes to mind with these kind of cinematic "realistic" platformers. PoP was really impressive with its smooth animation for the time, I'll give you that.

Prehistorik games are just mediocre, play any mediocre platformer on NES or Master System and you will have a lot more fun.

>> No.2631671

>that lackluster combat
I'll just stick with Story of Thor.

>> No.2631698

>>2631661

You wouldn't game on a computer if you just wanted a neverending torrent of platformers, that's where consoles come in. My point still stands however that there are more than enough good ones for most people. PoP is one of my favorite games and a masterpiece, so I'll disregard you there.

In any case, you dudes (I presume Americans) are too focused on consoles and never acknowledge the unique experiences and genres that DOS (and computer gaming generally) offered. I wouldn't have one without the other

>> No.2631713

>>2631698

I'm an American (from south america).
I had a PC with DOS growing up along with consoles.
I liked PC games, mostly Doom and Doomclones, and point and click adventure games, but when it comes to platformers I didn't enjoy many, really.
I thought Prince of Persia was really boring after a while, Prehistorik games were just not fun. I played many others like Hocus Pocus, Titus the Fox, Zool, etc and they were all very mediocre, as I said, there's better mediocre games on NES or Master System, not to mention SNES and Genesis.
The problem with PC and action games, especially sidescrollers, is that japanese developers never worked on PC, and when their licensed their IPs for PC, they were fucked over by abysmal incompetent devs (see: >>2631637)

Sure, the PC had platformers, but that's like saying, sure the consoles had Doom too, SNES and 32X ports.

>> No.2631716

>>2631713
>is that japanese developers never worked on PC
DOS/V was a thing. Not to mention PC-98 is very similar to IBM compatibles.

>> No.2631723

>>2631713
>I'm an American (from south america).
I lol'd at this for some reason.

>> No.2631725

>>2631716

Yeah but I didn't have access to these japanese games back in the day and I'm sure nobody did either if you lived in the west in the times of the prehistoric internet.
Also most of these PC japanese games are also adventure games, although they did have their share of good stuff like the Castlevania game for the Sharp X68K, but again, those were hidden gems of the East at the time. My clonic 486 IBM compatible computer back then never tasted those.

>> No.2631726 [DELETED] 

>>2631716
nec pc-88, pc-98, sharp 68k and don't forget the msx

>> No.2631729

>>2631723

I thought it was a funny way of telling him "yeah, I'm from America, but I'm not a murrican".
Anyway here in south america PCs were actually popular, like in Europe, because of piracy.
The only consoles that were popular here were the bootleg ones, like the Famiclones or the Sega 16-Bit clones.
SNES was more of an upper class console because the console itself was expensive and there were no bootleg alternatives.
Having a PC was more expensive, but once you got one, all the games were free.

>> No.2631734

>>2631729
Speak for yourself boludo, here in Chile Nintendo was pretty big since the NES.

>> No.2631737

>>2631734

>a chilean assuming another south american is argentinian

why I'm not surprised?

>> No.2631738

>>2631729
i think you're wrong, tho, snes was definitely more popular than dos systems here in macacoland. most 486s of the 90s didn't even have a soundcard and required voodoo and black match to even install the game properly

>> No.2631743

>>2631738
>MAGIC
fix
>>2631729

anyway what year are we talking about here? no one had a pc in the mid 90s

>> No.2631746

>>2631737
I'm aware that Peru had plenty of SNES, Brazil was Sega territory and to some degree SNES too, all i hear from Argentina is "family game"

>> No.2631753

>>2631743

mid to late 90s. I got my 486 clone in 1995, and by 1998 a lot of my friends already had Pentium (I upgraded to Pentium in 99 I think).

of course, the most common thing was having a Famiclone or a Genesis clone, but I knew more people with PC than with SNES.

>> No.2631759

>>2631753
yeah pc gaming didn't become big until the lan house boom in 2000

>> No.2631760

>>2631738

People love to pretend Nintendo systems were popular everywhere for some reason, but they were easily outsold by Sega in Europe. Nintendo was never a big thing here from then on. I'd guess they were okay with that given how hard it was to get their cobsoles and ganes.

>> No.2631761

>>2631746

There's many other south american countries other than Chile, Brazil, Peru and Argentina, amigo.

>> No.2631765

>>2631760

Referring to SNES and onward, I mean.

>> No.2631771

>>2631725
>most of these PC japanese games are also adventure games
>share of good stuff like the Castlevania game for the Sharp X68K
Implying? You're not wrong on the first part, but there are plenty of well-made command-selection adventures for Japanese PCs from the '80s and '90s, whether they're eroge or not. There's also many standout grognard, puzzle, and shooter games available to play (the original Daisenryaku's all in English, just like Outroyd on the Sharp X1 or Revival Xanadu for the PC-98). I understand and agree that it's hard to get into these games, that's what I'm trying to help others with.

>> No.2631772

>>2631761
Uruguay, Paraguay? everything else is a communist shithole

>> No.2631774

>>2631761
For the same reason don't pretend that your pirate console market applies to all SA countries.

>> No.2631776

>>2631761
Butthurt Surinamefag detected.

>> No.2631796

>>2631772
>>2631774

Well Famiclones come from china, so you may be right about the communist shithole part.

Anyway, I always thought famiclones were a kind of blessing and curse at the same time. The bad part was that, of course, it was all piracy and games with save battery just didn't exist, or at least I never came across any Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy for famiclones.
On the brighter side, there were a lot of games! more than the NES selection since famiclones also had a lot of japanese games that were never released for the NES. Multicarts with games like Contra, Gradius, Adventure Island and Super Mario Bros all in 1 cartidge, on top of many early Famicom games including Konami classics that were left in Japan, like Circus Charlie or TwinBee.

I eventually moved to original consoles, got a SNES later on, and an original Genesis, but I'm glad I had a Famiclone instead of a NES back then, I was exposed to just more games than I would have if I only had a NES.

>> No.2631806

>>2631725
Not having access to those games isn't really the same as them not existing.

>> No.2631810

>>2631796
What about games with anti-piracy bullshit?

>> No.2631813

>>2631796
>it was all piracy and games with save battery just didn't exist,
Games that used mappers, too, couldn't be pirated. eg Super Mario Bros 3.

>> No.2631818
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>>2631810

Which ones? I actually don't know which 8bit games had anti-piracy measures.

>>2631813

SMB3 was one of my first famiclone games.

>> No.2631861

>>2631818
None in particular. To be honest, I can't really think of many NES games that had anti-piracy measures before 1990.

Stuff like Dr. Mario would crash the game but some Konami games would implement lots of bullshit to make the games unbeatable.

>> No.2632227

>>2631671
Meh. Story of Thor is alright. Way better visually but that's about it.

OP here. Not shitposting. I really think LoZ NES is beter than any Genesis game made that I have played. No joke.

>> No.2632232

>>2631583

I dont think you are right. But I do think the 2 NES games are the only Zelda games with good combat.
And TLOZ is extraordinary for such an early primitive game.

>> No.2632237

>>2631729

I am from Argentina (I guess this guy is from Argentina too), and it is true that PCs were more popular SNES or Genesis.
But then I had a SNES, and all my friends who had to play Prince of Persia or Monkey Island on PC were quite jealous.
I also gamed on DOS, Sid Meier's Colonization is still one of my top 30 games.

It makes me sad when people forget DOS games when looking at the SNES/Genesis generation.

>> No.2632246

LOZ is not as good as startropics. There, I said it.

>> No.2632268

It was more innovative and important than any given Sega game. I don't think it's actually better than every Sega game. LttP is a better game than this in the same series, and Monster World 3 is one of the best adventure/platformer games of all time.

>> No.2632270

>>2631645
Came in to say this

>> No.2632272

>>2631583
why are you comparing an 8bit console game to 16bit console games

>> No.2632294

>>2632272
I started playing LoZ again today and as I was playing couldn't think of a Genesis game that I thought was overall better. Which tbh shocked me. Hence the thread.

>> No.2632303

>>2632294
well I enjoyed Streets of Rage 2 more than I did LoZ

but the two aren't quite the same genre and weren't quite hosted on the same system and didn't quite have similar looks

what's the point of this thread?

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>>2632294
Dude. Centy. You can make an apples-to-apples comparison and clearly see that it's better, if only by benefiting from years of innovation not to mention more powerful hardware.

>> No.2632310

>>2632303
>looks
*and music

>> No.2632316

>>2631583
>>2631593
>>2631608

Hi reddit.

>> No.2632336

>>2631583
Golvellius is much better (and more harder) personally.

>> No.2632345

>>2632336
This is subjective but it could definitely be argued that Golvellius is comperable to Zelda.

I suspect OP, like most Nintendrones is simply unfamiliar with games on other platforms.

>> No.2632349

>>2632227
Story of Thor has way more interesting combat than the basic-as-fuck combat from LoZ. You can take muh atmosphere/exploration, i honestly don't give a flying shit for that in a game.

>> No.2632360

>>2632303
>point of thread
That overall LoZ on NES is a better game than any genni game.

>>2632349
Atmosphere/exploration is what makes LoZ GOAT even today

>> No.2632368

>>2632360
>Atmosphere/exploration is what makes LoZ GOAT
People same the same thing abut Super Metroid, and i thought it was decent at best.

>> No.2632375

>>2632368
say*

>> No.2632376

Rangnacenty is better than every 2D Zelda combined, pleb.

>> No.2632390

>>2632268
>It was more innovative and important than any given Sega game.
You cannot be serious.

Zelda is a Hydelide rip off.

Do you really thin it's more innovative than Space Harrier or Virtua Fighter or Shenmue?

Fucking underage Nintendrones.

>> No.2632394

>>2631583

You have brain problems, or you're severely underage.

>> No.2632397

>>2632345
>I suspect OP, like most Nintendrones is simply unfamiliar with games on other platforms.

This. Nintendo fanboyism is born out of sheer ignorance.

If you've never played Ragnacenty/Golvellius/Okami you'll think Zelda is good.

If you've never played a real fighting game you'll think Smash Bros. is good and has depth.

As far as Nintendo fanboys are concerned, Mario, Zelda and Sonic is all there is to retro gaming.

>> No.2632434

>>2632360
Story of Thor has way more atmosphere and exploration than Zelda, with quasi-emergent gameplay and just about the same barebones-style story.

>> No.2632462

>>2632390
Comparing Hydlide and the Legend of Zelda, the latter provides a more refined experience. Which makes sense since it was made later.

Burgerlanders would probably have a more positive opinion of Hydlide had the North American NES release come out before Zelda rather than two years later.

> Do you really thin it's more innovative than Space Harrier or Virtua Fighter or Shenmue?

Why would he even think to compare those games?

>> No.2632467

>>2632397
>>2632390

If you still aren't aware OP is a 1/10 bait (that /vr/ is successfully chewing on) and that everything in this thread is /v/-tier falseflagging console war faggotry from 20 years ago, then you're the underaged one.

Welcome to /vr/, and please leave the Okami at the door, it's not /vr/-related. (though a wonderful Zelda-inspired work by Kamiya)

>> No.2632471

>>2632462
"a more refined experience" does not equal innovation. Did you even read his post?

>Why would he even think to compare those games?

Because the other guy said that Zelda was more innovative than any Sega game? All those games are far more innovative than Zelda.

>> No.2632472

Which order should the games be played in? In order or release or by the official chronology?

>> No.2632474
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2632474

Is /vr/ finally dying? Always knew it would be Nintendo fanboys who get all their retro knowledge from Youtube that killed it.

>> No.2632487

>>2632471
>Did you even read his post?

I did, I just forgot to type the part where I actually agreed with you.

That being said, there is shit in Hydlide that isn't in Zelda. Mainly level grinding like a motherfucker to be able to get anywhere in the game and regenerating health.

> All those games are far more innovative than Zelda.

They're also trying to achieve very different things.

>> No.2632493

>>2632474

it's been dying for a while, and don't blame Nintendo fans alone, they're part of the problem, but I personally think the anti-nintendo bandwagon is louder and more annoying than the nintendrones themselves.

Also you guys are incredibly stupid for trying to argue with obvious troll hyperbole statements.

>> No.2632542

>>2632493
You've got trolls and plain ol' people with insufferable opinions, but on the whole I don't really think it's that bad here.

>> No.2632545

>>2632542
It's certainly not as bad as /v/, but it's shit compared to what it used to be.

>> No.2632550

>>2632474
There was a point where /vr/ was fairly wise and not full of fools who argue endlessly over the dumbest shit.
There's more than one reason why it's dying though:
>lack of mods doing their job
>Console fanboy arguments being more constant than during /vr/'s initial start
>YouTube personalities discussion not being against the rules
It was a pretty slow board, and it still kinda is but it moves a bit faster than when it began so there is a slight increase of traffic, whether that's bad or good you decide.
Also, this is obviously a shitposting thread with a console flame war going on and still not deleted shows you the mods aren't doing there job.

>> No.2632561

Someone on /sp/ spammed every shit thread with CP, forcing the mods to actually do their jobs for once. Certainly not saying anyone should ever do that here or anywhere, but honestly sometimes I'm tempted to spam every shit thread like this and make them unusable. Either the mods are forced to do something or the thread is fucked either way.

>>2632550
> mods aren't doing there job.
You get what you pay for.

>> No.2632565

>>2632561
>You get what you pay for.
and that's nothing, oh well.

>> No.2633253

>>2632565
I think that's the joke, anon.

>> No.2633264

>>2632493
>but I personally think the anti-nintendo bandwagon is louder and more annoying

This never happened though. Others were just false flags or blatant shitposters.

>> No.2633276
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2633276

>console war faggotry in /vr/
>using /v/ console war faggot terms

Let me die

>> No.2633279

>>2633264

I know anti-nintendo people IRL. They're not false flagging, they're actual people with childhood traumas, making discussions about video games worse wherever they go.

>> No.2633307

>>2633279
I don't care about console wars but I just want you to realize how this sounds
>I know people that disagree with me IRL and it's horrible

>> No.2633317

>>2633307

LOL, they're my friends, it's not horrible, in fact I make fun of them for taking videogames as a sport, they think Sega and Nintendo are like soccer teams or something. And they're adult people too.
They're great fun to be around IRL, but on the internet they're terrible and offer really downgrading vidya discussion.

>> No.2633320

>>2633276
Adam "Ten Inch" Sandler

>> No.2633331

>>2633317
Oh, well the problem is them being console warriors, not anti-Nintendo. Console Warriors have been killing the video game hobby with their tribalism forever.

>> No.2633338

>>2633331

Yeah but something about Nintendo makes them being more annoying. I really can't think of any anti-Sega person. Sure I've seen the usual idiot saying "sega was shite, SNES was better", but their investment on their hatred for Sega stops there. Nintendo haters are more passionate about their hate. They really want to see the plumber die, lol.

Anyway, most of the time it's just silly banter, IRL is not annoying, but on the internet they usually ruin any vidya discussion. One of them even has a Facebook group about Sega, and it's nothing but anti-Nintendo posts.

>> No.2633339

>>2631637
I got into it in the mid-90s by which time VGA and Soundblaster was the norm so I wasn't old enough to have experienced the EGA/bleeper era firsthand.

>> No.2633342

>>2633338
It sounds like autism to still be so invested in competition from 20 years ago, but console warriors are all delusional so it makes sense. You think the abortion that 8th gen is would have made them realize how shitty console warring is but it's only gotten worse as time's progressed.

>> No.2633349

>>2633338
>the usual idiot
>but on the internet they usually ruin any vidya discussion

Listen, I don't care how much these anti-nintendo peeps triggered you, but don't go out and pull anecdotal data out of your ass just to play victim and get retro justice points. Console wars are crap, period. All you're doing right now, instead of reporting this thread, is whine.

>> No.2633353

>>2631583
I cant tell if this is bad shit posting or just annoying Zelda fanboys

>>2631593
Youre thinking of the pc-engine

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2633501

>>2631583
>Go around burning random bushes and blowing up random patches of rock
>Good
Oh man you really showed me.

Nah. Try a real exploration game, kiddo. Pic related.

>> No.2633509

>>2632474
Nintendo fans are a plague on every vidya board, so that would make sense.

>> No.2633528

>>2633501
that long ass manual, its where i stash my tabs of lsd.

Great game, although I prefer SC2

>> No.2633935

>>2633509

Yeah, it's incredible how Nintendo fans will post on a video game board, it really irritates me.