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2584092 No.2584092 [Reply] [Original]

Why does everyone say the original PlayStation is not retro?

What is your definition of "retro?"

>> No.2584102

Who says the PlayStation isn't retro?

>> No.2584104

>>2584092

Because PS1 is the start of modern era gaming.

>> No.2584106

>>2584102
Kids who were never around when it was commonly called the PSX and claim that the term PSX only ever referred to an uncommon version of the PS2 that nobody has ever cared about.

>> No.2584114

>>2584106
>Kids who were never around when it was commonly called the PSX
Ya I love the Ultra 64 too.

>> No.2584119

>>2584104
-240p
-4:3
-zero mainstream online connectivity
Ya that's not modern gaming, champ.

>> No.2584124

>>2584092
I'd consider PS1-era to be the cut off for like, "old school" gaming, because PS2-era really does hold up really well, and actually looks and plays very similar to modern games. Where as the PS1 was quite a bit more archaic.

There was a rather large leap from the PS1 and N64 to the PS2 and GC you know? Lots of the design choices, control schemes and such are just standardized during this era. Its kind of hard to consider the PS2 era retro when a lot of the games are getting "HD-remakes" and are still holding up really well today.

In terms of this being a thinly vieled meta thread, I wouldn't mind if PS2/Xbox/GC and shit like GBA was allowed to be discussed here.

>> No.2584128 [DELETED] 

>>2584114
nobody calls it a Pee Ess EX you retarded faggot, it's just an abbreviation that stuck.

>> No.2584129

>>2584104

I agree with this.

>> No.2584132

>>2584119
Ya 3D is modern gaming, champ.

>> No.2584138

>>2584132
3D games was around a long time before Playstation. They just generally looked like shit before that era.

Hell, with your logic Starfox is the start of the modern era.

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>>2584132
>Ya 3D is modern gaming, champ.
Cool modern gaming started in the mid 80s!

>> No.2584146

>>2584138
>They just generally looked like shit before that era.
And fifth gen 3D looks shitty nowadays, so I don't see what's the problem.

>> No.2584149

>>2584146
So we agree that 5'th gen is retro then? Good.

>> No.2584151

>>2584149
Neither is Genesis or SNES by your definition.

>> No.2584158

>>2584151
Nothing is retro, everything is neo. Electronic gaming was a mistake.

>> No.2584159

>>2584158
What if we're just in one big electronic game?

>> No.2584164

>>2584092
the PS1 is retro as fuck, everybody saying that it isn't is a moron. They probably say this because it uses CDs and has 3D graphics, both of which are still present today and not obsolete.

But heyyy ... these 32bit 3D graphics are so darn ugly today ... and the console came out in Japan over 20 years ago in the mid 90s. This also reflects in the artstyle of the games ... That's by far retro enough for me!

>> No.2584168

>>2584159
>I realized the plan
>I'm trapped in a deadly video game, with just one man
>So I don't only watch my back, I watch my front
>Cause it's the niggas who front, they be pulling stunts

>> No.2584179

>>2584159
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

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>>2584092
Oh who cares, man? I play video games!

>> No.2584184

How many of these exact same threads are currently on /vr/?

>> No.2584185

>>2584159
Insert more credits.

>> No.2584189

>>2584114
PSX was what it was called in its time. Believe it or not, before there was a PS2, few people thought to call the PS1 a PS"1".

>> No.2584204

>>2584189
Lol.

My friends and I all called it a Playstation. No PS, No PS1, No PSX, no nothing.

When the PS2 came out, we still called the PS1 the Playstation. Hell, we called the PS2 the Playstation as well.

>"Do you wanna come over and play Playstation after school?"

This PSX bullshit is just shitposting and needs to be permabanned off of /vr/

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>>2584189
You do know that THIS is the PSX.
not the original Ps1

>> No.2584209

>>2584189
We just called it Playstation where I live.

>> No.2584212

The only retro games are those mechanically operated ones where you shoot ducks and shit.

Anything after is modern gaming trash.

>> No.2584219

>>2584212
What an embarassing opinion.

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>>2584212
The only retro games are those were you actually go outside to shoot shit for sport or dinner.

Anything after is modern gaming trash.

>> No.2584239

>>2584208

all Playstation magazines referred to the Playstation as PSX

>> No.2584240

>>2584239
They were wrong though.

>> No.2584246 [DELETED] 

>>2584204
gaming magazines, websites and multiple other sources all used it as an abbreviation. We don't have to go pull a bunch of screenshots from the internet archive again do we? Nobody called it the "pee ess ex" out loud so stop being the fucking baiter. You are the shitposter.

>>2584208
Everybody is well aware and yet, we don't care. Amazing huh?

>> No.2584250

>>2584240
oh boohoo. Your autism is triggered I am ever so sorry.

>> No.2584263

>>2584246
>>2584250
Seems like you guys are V-triggered easily.

>> No.2584267

>PS-X Realtime Kernel Ver.2.5
>Copyright 1993,1994 (C) Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

>PS-X ROM monitor Ver.2.3
>Copyright 1993,1994 (C) Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

>setup file : %s
>KERNEL SETUP!

>boot file : %s
>boot address : %08x %08x
>Execute !

>> No.2584272

>>2584219
I bet you drive a horseless carriage

>> No.2584283

>>2584272
I ride a bike.

>> No.2584287

>>2584267
were you even born in 1994?

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2584291

>>2584283
Better be one of these

>> No.2584295

I want a tiny fake ps1.

>> No.2584326

>>2584291
You know it, baby.

>> No.2584389

>>2584295
Maybe the guy just has massive hands.

>> No.2584393

>>2584389
I wanna have massive hands

>> No.2584437

>>2584092

Retro is Pong to N64 / Saturn, and N64 / Saturn only make the list because they died early.

>> No.2584440

>>2584295

It's not fake you ignorant fucktard it's a capsule toy from Japan. Stupid millennial.

>> No.2584608

PS1 isn't retro because it's games have aged like dog shit sitting in the hot sun.

>> No.2584614

>>2584608
3D a shit.
All the old 16bit+ 2D games are timeless.

>> No.2584616

>>2584132
So by that logic, the snes isn't retro. Star fox graphics had basic 3d rendering.

>> No.2584636

>>2584614
>All the old 16bit+ 2D games
>timeless.
Even there are some 2D games that aged more poorly than others.

>> No.2584646

>>2584608
>>2584614
>>2584636
>games can age

/v/ please go

>> No.2584647

>>2584440
Calm down. He just meant "fake" in the sense that it's not a real PS1. He wasn't trying to imply that anyone was trying to pass it of as one or that it's not a piece of official Sony merchandise.

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>>2584204

>> No.2584675

Anything before the current generation is retro, or just anything older than five years

Saying PS2 games or even early PS3 games aren't retro is like saying Nirvana and Soundgraden aren't classic rock

>> No.2584689

>>2584675
They're not.

>> No.2584694

>>2584646
>these people disagree with me, therefore /v/

Stop this.

Anyway, I don't have a definition of what it means to be retro personally. I just realize it's all so very arbitrary.

>> No.2584710

>>2584694
Not him.
Games aging is a /v/ opinion. It's not a disagreement.

Video games don't have an age category like other hobbies yet. So the best we have is a "retro" divider.

>> No.2584717

>>2584694
It is pure /v/ though.

>> No.2585040

>>2584092
>What is your definition of "retro?"
The system I grew up on.

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>>2584267
>>2584648
The plot thickens.

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>>2585040

Holy shit

You post this in jest but this literally explains why /vr/ is so full of shitposters.

It all makes sense now.

>> No.2585270

Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>> No.2585320

The real question is: will all consoles eventually become retro, or is there a set cut-off point for 'retro' games? Is 'retro' a specific style/era/level of technology? Or do all consoles become retro if enough time passes?

The Dreamcast is classed as retro here, so how long until the Gamecube is, too? It's mostly forgotten by the mainstream, but beloved by many for its small library of great classic games. It also uses non-standard proprietary media and it's something like fifteen years old now. Surely the Gamecube is the next home console to be called 'retro' if we define it as a time thing.

But if 'retro' is a style, a feel, a level of technology, then the Game Boy Advance is clearly retro already.

So which is it, /vr/?

>> No.2585325

>>2585320

We've got years to worry about that.

Just enjoy /vr/ for what it is now, and worry about later later.

>> No.2585350

>>2585270
>My personal definition is whatever I'm told to believe

Wow

>> No.2585405

>>2584710
>Games aging is a /v/ opinion.
No it's not.

There's no such thing as a "/v/ opinion"

>> No.2585425

OP, do you know what a catalog is?

>> No.2585462

>>2584189
I remember it was called PSX on some magazines, but i never understood why, me and my freinds justa caleld it Playstation or "Play" for short.

>> No.2585470

>>2584208
PS-X (PlayStation Experimental) was an internal code name for the PlayStation during development.[8] The popular use of the "PSX" abbreviation outside Sony became a source of confusion when Sony Of Japan ignored Sony of America's decision and introduced its PSX digital video recorder in 2003.

>> No.2585473

We have this thread all the time.
As an 18 year old I consider /vr/ to be everything older than what I grew up with. The 5th gen and earlier.

>> No.2585478

>>2585470
>PlayStation Experimental

You know, I searched all over for sources, but I haven't found any for this particular name. I just figured they put an X beside PS to help Sony internally distinguish SNES CD material from the final standalone console.

>> No.2585486

>>2584168
GZA isn't retro

>> No.2585487

>>2584092
>>2585040
tome at least retro is everything that no longer fits the standards of modern fashion and trends,
in gaming it may apply to games and consoles wich hardware, graphics and gameplay wichdont fulfill the "modern standard" hence why the sixth generation consoles dont fit in the retro category as it was in this point where the modern standard was settled,(graphics gameplay and more importantly controllers finally had an standard button and joystick config), dreamcast doesnt count as it was discountnued early and its design and appeal was mroe akin to the 5th generation.

>> No.2585502

My definition of retro is outlined in the sticky.

>> No.2585760

>>2584208
Fuck off back to >>>/v/.

>> No.2585770

>>2584092
>why do silly kids post on /vr/?
>cuz it's teh forthchan

>> No.2585773

>>2584092
Troll harder bitch,

In my opinion even the GBA is retro but I follow the rules.

>> No.2585778

>>2585773
Yeah, bitch! He's a badass who obeys the rules, bitch!

>> No.2585783

>Meanwhile Morrowind, a game first released in 2002 has a thread on the first page that's been going for a week

>> No.2585795

>>2585778
Implying that you can't troll if you follow the rules.

>> No.2585798
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2585798

>>2584132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CMna-hUks
1983 Atari is modern gaming?

>> No.2586016

I remember that i always called "PSX" to the big PlayStation console and "PS1" to the little one (cause it's PSone)

>> No.2586061

>>2584106
Yeah, or we get retards who say "we never called it that where I lived" like the internet or magazines didn't exist at the time and the world was limited to bumfuck Arkansas where they grew up in their small group of friends.

Everywhere online and in-print it was known by PSX or PlayStation. PS1 wasn't a thing until PS2 was announced and we got that cheaper 'PSone' model.

It was just the shorthand to go along with N64 which too was far more common than seeing people say or write out Nintendo 64.

Sometime I swear this place is filled with 15 year olds Wikipedia generation faggots who don't actually know how things were but read half an article about something and then pretend to have first hand knowledge.

>> No.2586174

>>2585798
yes

>> No.2586189

>>2584189
Why wouldn't you just call it the play station?

>> No.2586203

Hell, I even count the GameCube as retro (pre-DVD spec, virtually no online). PlayStation 1 is well within.

>> No.2586281
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2586281

Game allowing the use of two analog sticks = not retro.

>> No.2586283

>>2586203
>virtually no online
>he forgot about that modem

>> No.2586293

>>2586283
Unlike the Dreamcast the Gamecube did not come with a built-in modem. The only game to significantly make use of the modem peripheral on the GC was a port of Phantasy Star Online.

>> No.2586325

>>2584092
wat

>> No.2586329

Lack of native progressive scan mode

>> No.2586361

>>2586281
Didn't a lot of arcade machines have two sticks?

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2586379

>>2584608

>mfw played Einhander and SFA3 last night while fucking your bitch

>> No.2586385

>>2586361
Karate Champ and Virtual On is about it. A few tank games like Cyber Sled.

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>>2586361
>>2586385
Don't forget this one

>> No.2586756

Retro is relative.

I'm sure there were oldfags bitching on primitive messageboards in 1995 about how gaming was ruined forever, it was more focused on graphics than gameplay, etc.

When the CODkiddies start hitting their mid-20s, they'll feel the same way about whatever the fuck videogames have become by then.

>> No.2586797

>>2584104
you know all my feels.

>> No.2587169

>>2586061
>Everywhere online and in-print it was known by PSX or PlayStation
There was like 3 magazines at best that referred to it as the PSX.

The idea is that, even still, no one called it that. It was playstation until people started calling it the ps1.

Did you call the gamecube "GCN"?

>> No.2587215

>>2586756
>I'm sure there were oldfags bitching on primitive messageboards in 1995 about how gaming was ruined forever, it was more focused on graphics than gameplay, etc.
This was going on in the 80s, and we have the usenet posts to prove it,

>> No.2587503

>>2586189

We called it a Playstation in person and abbreviated it as PSX online (BBS echonets, newsgroups, etc).

Why PSX? Because otherwise you're abbreviating it as PS and it looks like you're typing a fucking postscript.

Goddamn it you kids. Get off my lawn.

>> No.2587505

>>2587503
not to mention PSX was what it was called in multiple publications.

>> No.2587528

>>2586756
>I'm sure there were oldfags bitching on primitive messageboards in 1995

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_News_Transfer_Protocol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat

Don't forget to sign the Guestbook! The link is below the "under construction" gifs and beside the smoking skull.

>> No.2587592

>>2587528
>"under construction" gifs
Sometimes I miss Web 1.0.

>> No.2587598

>>2584092
>>2584106
>when it was commonly called the PSX

Is PSX an American thing or something because I never heard anyone ever refer to the Playstation as a PSX

>> No.2587604

>>2587598
magazines coined the term then uncoined when the psone came out

>> No.2587607

>>2587604
Was always Playstation in the UK tbh

>> No.2587614

>>2587607
I think it's safe to say it started in american magazines, sure

>> No.2587662
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2587662

Arguing about what constitutes retro is moot. There is no set definition for what is and what isn't retro. As long as isn't a discussion solely about a game from the past 5 years, I'd say it's good to go. I might not want to talk about a game that's only 5 years old, but going into that thread and complaining about it such a waste of time. Few boards can actually have a discussion on the caliber this board can, so I'd prefer not to bring it down with pointless semantics.

>> No.2587671

>>2587662

Semantics have nothing to do with anything. It's just the rule that was laid down for this board:

http://www.4chan.org/rules#vr
>1. This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.

One exception was made for the Dreamcast (6th gen, but before 2000): >>1392415

>> No.2587674

>>2587592
You mean you don't always do?

>> No.2587693

>>2587671
While I do understand that's the rules of the board, the point I'm trying to make is about people discussing the nature of what is and what isn't retro. I didn't make this thread but it's clear that even though the rules of board say games before 1999 are considered retro, that there are people who don't think they are.

I just see this issue of people arguing about what is and isn't retro all the time. It's gotta be the most discussed topic on the board. That and Final Fantasy 6.

>> No.2587742

>>2587693
>even though the rules of board say games before 1999 are considered retro, that there are people who don't think they are.

Fuck 'em. It's written in black and white what can be discussed as retro on this board.

>> No.2587745

>>2587614
Psx was everywhere in uk mags. It was, and is the psx.

>> No.2587746

>>2587693
>that there are people who don't think they are

Then they should ask whoever is running the site these days to change the rules. They'll definitely listen and do it.

>> No.2587769

>>2587745
No it isn't, it's the fucking playstation you tosspot

>> No.2587775

>>2587745
>>2587769
Wait, what if you read different mags?!

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>>2587775
Dunno about the other anon but I was reading Nuts

>> No.2587779

you don't actually give a shit about the acronym, you just want an excuse to shitpost

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>>2587779
I called it the PeePee

>> No.2587806

>>2587169
People said PSX, pee-es-ecks is easier to say than PlayStation just like they said N64 en-sixty-four.

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2587808

>>2587806
>3 syllables is easier to say than 3 syllables

>> No.2587817

>>2587808
There is more to speech than syllables, anon you know that.

Properly pronouncing PlayStation is far more involved than just saying PSX.

Saying hurrdurr is easy as fuck and only involves some slight tongue movement while saying something like Program requires you to move your entire mouth.

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2587826

>mfw amerifats are so fat they can't move their lips to say 'Playstation'

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>>2584159
doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

>> No.2588038

>>2587169
It was probably regional. At the college I was in at the time almost everyone called it a PSX. It could have just come down to which magazines were popular where.

>>2586756
This was absolutely happening, all time just like now. I remember very heated debates with people who insisted that Atari had been the pinnacle of gaming and the new systems had ruined it.

The arguments are always the same, all that changes is the names of the systems. I've always been on the very unpopular side of the equation in that I just plain love video games and think they're overall getting better and better all the time.

>> No.2589429

>>2587817
Are you seriously so lazy you can't move your entire mouth?

>> No.2589454

>>2585470
>internal code name
Hey Billy, want to come over and play Mario Kart on Project Dolphin? Bring your Xenon and we can play Halo too!

>> No.2590014

>>2584164
>the PS1 is retro as fuck, everybody saying that it isn't is a moron. They probably say this because it uses CDs and has 3D graphics, both of which are still present today and not obsolete.

Retro in latin means backwards. In other words, old. Sooo PS1 is an old console and it should be considered retro by now.