Why do people criticize the n64 controller? "lol, who has three arms XDXD" NO FAGGOT DIFFERENT GAMES USE DIFFERENT CONTROLS

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Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:01:54 2015 No.2573382 [Reply] [Original]

Why do people criticize the n64 controller?
"lol, who has three arms XDXD"
NO FAGGOT DIFFERENT GAMES USE DIFFERENT CONTROLS

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:03:54 2015 No.2573384 >NO FAGGOT >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:05:38 2015 No.2573390 It's ugly as fuck and uncomfortable as sin. I've got a 360 controller for miscellaneous pc games, a GC controller for dolphin, snes controller, ps2 controller, ect. all with adapters for emulation, but an n64 controller is the one I've avoided buying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:06:05 2015 No.2573391 >>2573382 because it's dumb and it looks dumb and you're dumb

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:06:40 2015 No.2573392

>>2573382
Well, mostly because its horribly uncomfortable.

It was alright as kids or young teenagers when you had small hands, but the thing is basically awful if you have medium or large hands, since your knuckles will knock together while holding it.

The hori mini's are better, but the people charge ludicrous prices. I finally folded and bought a lot of 2, and they are the best N64 controllers I've tried. I've tried a bunch of them, and they're all awful.

Honestly if someone "redesigned" the controller and just swapped L and Z (since L is never used), and swapped the Dpad and Stick, it would be a fine controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:09:23 2015 No.2573401 >>2573392 How is the N64 controller too small but the hori ok?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:09:40 2015 No.2573402 File: 6 KB, 210x240, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] of course you need three prongs to have both a dpad and a stick, it would be utterly impossible to just put them next to each other

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:10:39 2015 No.2573403 >>2573401 Not him, but your hands are uncomfortably close with the original controller. The Hori remedies this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:12:11 2015 No.2573409 >>2573403 The hori is dumb small. >>2573402 That just went about it a different way.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:16:28 2015 No.2573414
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>>2573409
>>2573403

Doesn't look like much, but the space is significant.

Definitely prefer the Hori for almost all the games, Mischief Makers and the like 2 other Dpad based games are alright with the original.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:20:36 2015 No.2573423

>>2573382
I'm sorry, but when I can't press ANY button comfortably on ANY controller within a time span of a split second then it's a bad controller for me. If I get all those buttons/sticks on something I should be able to make full use of them, otherwise I'm just purposely hindering my options for no other reason than dealing with bad design.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:06:16 2015 No.2573512

>>2573423
> it's bad design that I can't press the d-pad and use the analog stick simultaneously

That's not bad design at all. Nintendo correctly estimated that a player is going to be using one or the other and not both for their games (remember this is before FPS games were the go-to AAA title genre). The N64 layout allows Nintendo to place the analog stick and d-pad in optimal comfort positions for each hand position. This enhances the comfort for the user because he doesn't have to constantly extend his thumb to an awkward position to use the 'secondary' control.

Placing the analog stick next to the d-pad like the Saturn or Xbox did just makes it unbearably uncomfortable to use one or the other.

Considering that the N64 was born in an era where analog sticks were not standard, creating a controller that allowed the user to both use it like a next-gen controller via the analog stick and like a legacy controller via the d-pad with equal levels of comfort was pretty ingenious. If they had gone with an Xbox-ish design and the analog concept never gained traction, then users would be complaining that the control was too uncomfortable thanks to awkward D-pad placement. Future systems could get away with this because the analog stick on the left thumb became the standard with the N64, so you're really only using the d-pad for side tasks like changing equipment.

In fact there were several games you'd want to play with the D-pad over the analog stick, particularly the few sports games and fighters that were released on the system.

> Disclaimer: I'm also left handed, so the trigger action for FPS like Goldeneye being on the left right under the analog stick rather than the right bumper has always appealed to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:14:36 2015 No.2573523 >>2573423 >I'm sorry, but when I can't press ANY button comfortably on ANY controller within a time span of a split second then it's a bad controller for me. So all the 5th gen controllers are shit to you then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:31:10 2015 No.2573547 >>2573523 Keyword here is "split second". PS1 and Saturn controllers are okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:34:09 2015 No.2573550 Dualshock is perfect to me, but then again my first console was a PS1. Keyboard+mouse will always be superior though save for a few genres 247

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:35:08 2015 No.2573551 >>2573547 Neither of those really let you switch. I guess the PS1 dualshock if you had already turned on the analog and the game doesn't disable the dpad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:41:11 2015 No.2573558 Can you play all N64 with dualshock? yes Can you play all PS1 games with N64 controller? fuck no

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:44:26 2015 No.2573562 >there are actually people ITT defending this abomination of a controller yeah, the plastic joystick was a real fucking blast to press your thumb against for long periods of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:50:31 2015 No.2573569 Am I the only one who thinks the Dreamcast controller was as uncomfortable as the N64 one?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:51:17 2015 No.2573570 >>2573384 Shut up and fuck my tight virgin asshole like the little fag you are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:55:38 2015 No.2573575 >>2573569 no because is too huge and the wire is on the bottom. At least is better than the N64 one

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:01:14 2015 No.2573585

>>2573512
>>Placing the analog stick next to the d-pad like the Saturn or Xbox

I'll agree with you on the Xbox but the Saturn 3D pad has more space between the analog stick and pad than it looks like in that image. It's actually a really comfy controller to use and I have no clue why Sega didn't just stick with that design for the Dreamcast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:42:18 2015 No.2573649 >>2573382 for them precision button presses use the pad, for 3d adventures and silly fun use the stick. thats always how it felt like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:47:01 2015 No.2573660 >>2573382 It was only the american ones that sucked. They didn't put grease on the analogue stick or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:49:58 2015 No.2573663 >>2573660 >They didn't put grease on the analogue stick or something. Nintendo probably figured it'd be a waste of money because the thing would just be covered in hamburger grease anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:51:40 2015 No.2573668 >>2573660 >>2573663 Oh shit! Get in here guys. It's happening!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:52:37 2015 No.2573670 >>2573384 Are you retarded? The Hori controllers are kinda cool but imagine how uncomfortable like Kirby 64 would be on one

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:52:41 2015 No.2573671 >>2573660 >>2573663 >>2573668 This was how WW3 started.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:53:42 2015 No.2573673 >>2573670 He's telling him to go to /v/ because he said "faggot". I love this board but it's filled with people who forget this place is still 4chan for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:10:28 2015 No.2573694 >>2573390 You sound like you have no friends. Am I right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:18:20 2015 No.2573707 >>2573694 Nope... used gaming shit is cheap. Only poor bastards have no friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:55:56 2015 No.2573745 >>2573694 Oy vey, he uses different controllers. What a fucking friendless loser!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:04:11 2015 No.2573758 The N&$ contr5oller is fine, the only problem is the stick, but then again, 99% of the games use mainly the stick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:09:09 2015 No.2573761 >>2573758 Xbox360 controller is better for N64 games than the original

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:38:12 2015 No.2573787

>>2573569
If anything it's worse. I didn't like it when I was 13 and it was new, and having played some MSR just this morning, I can say I still don't like it.
The DC controller has a bunch of design flaws, but those triggers and handgrips that practically bite into you, are one of the worst offenders.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:41:23 2015 No.2573790 Joystick degradation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:57:27 2015 No.2573808 >>2573382 >not that comfortable to hold >terrible analog stick that breaks quickly even if you are careful with it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:01:59 2015 No.2573815 >>2573808 this^

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:16:33 2015 No.2573823 File: 2.02 MB, 3580x2300, sneupssravate.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #bring it back

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Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:37:25 2015 No.2573841

>>2573558

The PS1 only has 4 face buttons though , and while the dualshock analogue works for most games, it doesn't have quite the same precision as the N64's 3D stick.
Playing something like Starfox 64 or Sin and Punishment with a controller that isn't the N64 one results in a different (and less accurate) experience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:07:22 2015 No.2573865 My biggest gripe with the thing is the terrible analog, brittle, stiff and rubbed your thumb raw. >>2573660 Sure as fuck didn't feel like they were greased to me here in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:16:00 2015 No.2573880 Maybe people criticize the N64 controller because they have reason to. It isn't some hate club. We simply hate this shit because it sucks. I own the console and emulate. I'd rather play N64 games on a 360 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:25:44 2015 No.2573893 File: 45 KB, 480x191, iwata_sinpunish_content_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573880 >We speak for yourself, I don't hate the N64 controller or think it sucks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:30:19 2015 No.2573897 >>2573893 Nobody gives a single fuck about left hand untermensh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:39:12 2015 No.2573908 File: 126 KB, 640x360, Treasure-Logo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573897 Treasure did

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:40:04 2015 No.2573909 >>2573893 You simply haven't learned better. I don't blame or hate you for your ignorance so don't hate me for my wisdom. A truth as simple as this is obvious to those who have run the gauntlet.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:40:13 2015 No.2573912

>>2573761
>Xbox360 controller is better for N64 games than the original
Nope. It's way harder to do precise aiming on Perfect Dark XBLA than it is on the original with the N64 controller.

Most people who hate on the N64 have either never used one with a pristine stick, or simply don't remember what it feels like.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:43:58 2015 No.2573917

>>2573912
ok... why? Why is it harder for you? I own an N64 with "pristine" sticks. I'd still rather emulate Perfect Dark and play on a 360. Tell me why I'm wrong. I've experienced gameplay on both. With time the simple fact that "shit is universal" becomes apparent.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:45:47 2015 No.2573919

>>2573390
>>2573558
>>2573880
Wait, why do people keep saying N64 games are better with other controllers? Say what you like about the quality of the controller itself, but N64 games were designed for six face buttons. The DualShock and the 360 controller only have four. The only way you can map the C buttons and still have them pointing in the cardinal directions is to use an analog stick or to put A and B somewhere else, which are both awful solutions.

This is correct: >>2573841

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:47:06 2015 No.2573921 >>2573917 >I own an N64 with "pristine" sticks. These things still exist?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:48:58 2015 No.2573924

>>2573919
Try it. Simply try it. Despite a shitty d-pad the 360 controller is superior for N64 games. I didn't pull this out of my ass. I own all of these consoles. I emulate because I'm not a cartridge slave. The 360 controller simply works better on games that don't need a d-pad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:49:12 2015 No.2573925 >>2573909 Well, back in 1996 I was already an idort with a PS1, N64 and a Saturn. I also had a 3DO before that. And before that I had a Genesis and a SNES. So I was used to a variety of controllers already.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:50:37 2015 No.2573927 >>2573921 They do. The entire catalog blows. I never played mine much. My N64 sits in it's original box and I'm the only owner. Some of us are old fags.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:51:48 2015 No.2573929 >>2573924 But what about games that use all the C buttons? There just aren't enough buttons on the 360 controller to emulate the N64.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:52:08 2015 No.2573930

Shitting on the N64 is literally the edgy thing to do these days.

Look at that thread of "unpopular" /vr/ opinions, half of the responses in that thread was that the N64 sucked.

Combine conformity with a sense of rebellion ("unpopular opinion") and you literally get the definition of edginess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:52:25 2015 No.2573931 File: 5 KB, 139x194, GGA_Sasuke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573927 >The entire catalog blows. why so hyperbolic?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:55:21 2015 No.2573936 File: 154 KB, 640x409, well.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573929 Ok. Allow me to simplify it. When you actually play a game you'll find the extra triggers more convenient than the face buttons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:56:27 2015 No.2573937 >>2573931 You're correct. I overstepped. Mario Kart 64 is superior to previous mario karts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:56:43 2015 No.2573939 >>2573936 Mapping buttons to an analog stick is literally the biggest pleb thing you can do in emulation apart from using a depixelising filter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 07:58:02 2015 No.2573942 >>2573929 Name a good N64 game, where you think remapping the buttons to a dual shock or a 360 pad would be a problem.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:00:42 2015 No.2573948

>>2573937

Well before MK64 there was only Super Mario Kart on SNES, so.

>>2573936
Not the guy you're arguing with, but really, trying to play a game like Sin and Punishment in anything other than a N64 controller just feels wrong. Not only because of the button disposition, but also because of the stick precision. We all can agree the 3D stick on the N64 wears off with use, etc, but I'd still take a N64 controller if I have to play any game with aiming in it, like S&P or Starfox.

I tried playing them with Gamecube, Dualshock, 360 and other controllers, and just... no, it's not the same.
I guess if you don't care for 100% control accurracy, then using a 360 controller and the infamous N64 emulation, then it's fine. Otherwise stick to the original hardware and controllers.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:01:15 2015 No.2573949

>>2573939
I own the original console... yet I'd rather play whatever games emulate well on my Pi2 with a 360 controller. I'm not claiming my Pi2 does goldeneye or OOT well. I'm simply saying the 60%+ of games I can emulate perfectly on Pi2 with a 360 controller feel better than the original. I prefer a 360 controller. I'm not shilling the xbone although I've read it's better. I'm simply telling you my experience and what I have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:01:42 2015 No.2573950 >>2573942 Killer Instinct Gold

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:05:12 2015 No.2573953 >>2573942 Single stick aiming is inferior on other controllers. The N64 control stick requires more pressure to move than other control sticks which is great for delicate targeting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:06:35 2015 No.2573956 >>2573950 c-stick mapped to face buttons, A and B on bumpers. You could even emulate the SNES SF2 layout further by putting the two C-buttons for fierce attacks on bumpers instead, and have A and B on face buttons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:06:55 2015 No.2573957 >>2573948 >there was only Super Mario Kart Should've made one for the GBC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:07:18 2015 No.2573958 >>2573953 Source or personal experience?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:08:39 2015 No.2573961 >>2573942 OOT uses all the face buttons as face buttons in normal gameplay, you need Z and R too, and the direction of the C buttons is important when playing the ocarina. I don't see how you could map it to a 360 controller without compromising.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:09:33 2015 No.2573962 >>2573956 Yeaaah... I guess... Still not the same as having all 6 face buttons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:12:31 2015 No.2573964 >>2573961 Adapt and find pleasure in it's superior design. Modern controllers don't have 6 right thumb buttons with good reason. Play and it becomes apparent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:14:15 2015 No.2573967 >>2573958 >Source or personal experience? Well I just compared a Dualshock 1 to a N64 controller in good condition to make sure I wasn't bullshitting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:15:02 2015 No.2573969 >>2573961 Right analog stick U, D, L, R is a fine substitute for the C-stick in OoT. Item selection, talking to Navi, and playing the Ocarina are all simple tasks, easily handled by flicking the stick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:17:12 2015 No.2573973 >>2573967 Sorry I actually read your comment as the inverse. You are correct. I read incorrectly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:18:51 2015 No.2573976 >>2573969 Most emulators shit their pants with OOT. The superior experience for this game is on the original console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:20:38 2015 No.2573980 >>2573976 Golden Eye 64 is the same.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:26:55 2015 No.2573985 >>2573980 I'm having problems on the Pi2. Is it a hardware shortcoming then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:28:56 2015 No.2573987 >>2573390 >uncomfortable Nigga, it is one of the most ergonomic controllers i ever held, feels really comfy. What kind of hands do you have?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:35:33 2015 No.2573992 >>2573987 I'm lost are you shilling the N64 controller?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:37:30 2015 No.2573995 File: 26 KB, 356x200, 200_s.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573575 >Not figuring out what to do with the wire

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:37:57 2015 No.2573996 >>2573936 good luck playing tony hakws pro skater or starfox64 with that setup, or any other games that basically uses six-button layout for other than moment or camera control

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:38:59 2015 No.2573998 >>2573673 We try to forget.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:40:05 2015 No.2574001 >>2573996 I play them fine and in fact better. I prefer tony hawk on the ps1 and use an appropriate controller for it. Get mad. You're allowed to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:41:23 2015 No.2574002 File: 128 KB, 492x310, Screen Shot 2015-07-29 at 9.40.35 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573909

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:42:30 2015 No.2574003

>>2573964
It doesn't matter how superior the design of the 360 controller is, Nintendo 64 software is designed for controllers that have six face buttons. If you don't have them, you have to make stupid compromises like binding digital actions (selecting items) to analog controls or binding directional actions (the C buttons) to random places on the controller. As far as I'm concerned, it's not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:42:42 2015 No.2574004 >>2573996 >tony hakws pro skater 64 ew >starfox64 Just put C-up and C-right on bumpers, seeing as they're not critical buttons. Remapping isn't difficult, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:42:50 2015 No.2574005 File: 48 KB, 500x361, 7of9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2574002 my only response is kek. Do what feels natural. Clearly you were built for the cock.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:43:59 2015 No.2574007 >>2574003 Triggers... not the tumblr kind but triggers. They exist and are more convenient.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:45:16 2015 No.2574008 >>2574007 You only get two digital triggers on modern controllers and those are taken up by Z and R.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:48:51 2015 No.2574013

>>2573512
>Placing the analog stick next to the d-pad like the Saturn or Xbox did just makes it unbearably uncomfortable to use one or the other.

The Saturn, Xbox, Dreamcast, Gamecube, DS, 3DS, dual shock, and most modern PC controllers are all unbearably uncomfortable? No, it's the N64 that sucked.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:49:26 2015 No.2574014 >>2574008 >>2574008 Each have 8 convenient buttons with one toggle. Minus an extra 360 toggle so add an extra toggle. What is your point? Why hate on more buttons?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 08:51:10 2015 No.2574016 >>2574013 To quote the simpsons... "It's the children that are wrong." But not really. A comfortable controller transcends its platform.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:01:06 2015 No.2574029

>>2574014
Analog triggers are no substitute for digital buttons. There's more travel before the input is recognised and no satisfying bump over the actuation point. Yes, the games are still playable with a 360 controller, but it's not a superior controller for a game if the game requires more digital buttons than what the controller has.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:06:35 2015 No.2574042

>>2574013

Thing is, it's really up to personal preference. I never liked the Sony or Microsoft controllers that much, and as already stated various times troughout this thread, many N64 games were just developed with the N64 controller in mind, so it works, even if the 3D stick is shit and wears off, it still works.
I think the only real problem of the N64 controller is indeed the 3D stick, everything else (button placement, ergonomics, etc) is FINE. I never had any kind of issue holding the N64 controller.

I know it's easy to have a hateboner for the N64, but let's try to be less hyperbolic and more objective, that way we're still /vr/ and not just hipster /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:07:00 2015 No.2574046 >>2574029 We're still talking about N64 games yes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:07:33 2015 No.2574048 >>2574046 Yes.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:11:33 2015 No.2574052

>>2574048
So 4/6 buttons are buttons and 2/6 are triggers. There is no N64 game I can think of that has more than 4 mission critical buttons. I may be wrong but my triggers have always served me well. With minor remapping none of this matters. Still have the R1 L1 button in that mix.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:14:39 2015 No.2574054 >>2574052 Even with all this remapping I still have an extra clickable multi-directional toggle. Is it a pain? Perhaps. It still works better even when it's a pain in the ass.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:17:03 2015 No.2574059

>>2574052
I'm not saying that N64 games aren't playable with a 360 controller. Of course they are, but it's not better than the original controller if you have to map any digital action to an analog button. The N64 controller is not that bad. It's more important to have every digital action on a digital button than to have the very-slightly-better shape of the 360 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:17:26 2015 No.2574060 Don't get me wrong I loathe it's dpad. If thats an issue I just use ps3 controllers. Perhaps not the best solution but it's what I have ready. I'll go out of my way rather than use an N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:19:22 2015 No.2574062 >>2574059 I'd just rather do some minor kung fu than suffer that abomination of a controller. Even if it's best in some scenarios it's not best for me. It's very necessity annoys me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:20:07 2015 No.2574063 >>2574060 You hate the traditional Nintendo d-pad but like the Sony one that's basically like a segmented Nintendo d-pad? Huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:22:17 2015 No.2574067 >>2574063 I don't hate the traditional d-pad. I simply acknowledged the 360 doesn't have anything close. I would rather emulate nes/snes etc on a ps controller. I'm just saying the 360 feels better for N64 and the like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:23:10 2015 No.2574069 >>2574067 Oh, you are the 360 guy. I thought you were talking about the N64 controller's d-pad.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:27:30 2015 No.2574076

>>2573382
>asymmetry on something for symmetrical appendages
>half the controller is never used so dead weight
>every dpad game would have benefited from the joystick instead
>half the c buttons never used ever
>joysticks prone to die in any country other than japan
i really, really liked how big it was and especially how big the a and b were but some of the design is just fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:29:55 2015 No.2574079 >>2574069 No the N64 d-pad feels fine. I prefer a ps controller for nes/snes/ps1 while I like a 360 controller for N64. I know it's weird but it's just my thing so to speak. Opinions will vary. I'm just most comfortable in my emulations that way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:32:17 2015 No.2574082 >>2574069 I don't think it's worth using an N64 controller as I find them uncomfortable on any platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:35:15 2015 No.2574085 >>2574079 I'll expand that, I even like emulating most of sega on a ps controller.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:36:27 2015 No.2574087

>>2574082
Well, the d-pad and face buttons are just standard so I don't think there would be any problem with using a N64 controller to play older titles like NES or SNES, it would be basically the same.

But yeah, you don't want N64 controllers to play other system's games. You want N64 controllers to play N64 games because many N64 games were made with the N64 controller in mind exclusively. As already stated a couple times throughout the thread, the precision of the stick is not the same as that of the dualshock, gamecube or 360's sticks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:37:33 2015 No.2574091 >>2574085 Sega? but the PS controller has only 4 face buttons. At least the N64 has 6 like Sega's controllers. To each their own anyway, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:38:14 2015 No.2574094 >>2574087 No but the shape is odd. The ps controller feels better to me. Like I said, it's just my preference. The N64 is an outcast however. I don't like it at all. It's like the uninvited guest to the party.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:40:05 2015 No.2574101 >>2574091 With 6 button sega I still prefer the r2/l2 buttons of a ps controller. Weird but it's just more comfortable to me.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:42:56 2015 No.2574105

I guess my point is that the N64 controller is the only one I have absolutely no use for even when I'm playing N64 games. Maybe I haven't played enough to see it's benefit. IDK. I just don't like it in application. I own 4 but never use them and go out of my way not to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:43:57 2015 No.2574108 >>2574105 Yeah, we all got it, you really dislike the N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:45:08 2015 No.2574110 >>2574108 Indeed. I've probably overly explained things in my current state. Sorry for that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:45:18 2015 No.2574113 >>2573823 that button layout is awful tbh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 09:53:35 2015 No.2574121 >>2574108 If you want to emulate older stuff... where is the select button. It needs to be there.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 10:59:07 2015 No.2574227

>>2574013
> I like to quote people completely out of context and go on a rant...

All of those other systems developed a controller with the mindset that the primary input will be via the left analog stick. You don't notice discomfort when using the d-pad because outside of fighters, games only use it to do secondary tasks that require a quick button push.

I would also say that the dual shock's left analog stick is not in the proper location, they should move it to where the d-pad is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 12:53:55 2015 No.2574494 >>2573673 That's why this board is so good, most typical 4chan bullshit stays out but you can still have conversations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 13:08:13 2015 No.2574518 >>2573382 >Why do people criticize the n64 controller? Because it's a piece of shit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 14:20:36 2015 No.2574629

>>2573995

yeah, its not like bending the wire and attaching it to a piece of plastic is a normal thing to do like any civilized game console. Also it ruins the wire faster.

>>2574108

not even Mark likes the N64 controller, and he likes turds on a stick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5uZFR3XZM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:04:13 2015 No.2574725 The trigger and placement of the joystick is really what hurt the N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:10:04 2015 No.2574737 > XD XD XD >faggot Go away >>2574629 >linking to an e-celeb in an argument You too.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:17:42 2015 No.2574753

>>2574108
Lots of people do, what of it?
I think the 64 had some gems on it's system, but the fact that I needed an expansion unit to even play some games, or that the analog stick was made out of rape and broke over a short time span, that made me detest it a little.

I also never had much money as a kid and my parents wouldn't really buy me any new games for it, so I only had a few. Maybe that clouds my judgement a little, but I honestly still had fun playing the games anyway, despite my small selection of games and sore thumbs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:21:11 2015 No.2574762 >>2574725 Really? I mean, the stick was a piece of shit, yeah, but I thought the trigger was fine where it was. I suppose now that I think about it, it kinda forces you to use it with your off hand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:24:11 2015 No.2574773 >>2573824 >Claims to have ripped off a perfectly good idea >shows an arcade control panel with a button panel that never existed in arcades

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:26:24 2015 No.2574779 >>2573964 >Modern controllers don't have 6 right thumb bottons Start, A, B, X, Y, R3 X, O, Square, Triangle, Start, R3

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:37:52 2015 No.2574805

>>2573382
Aesthetically, it was a giant step backwards from the evolution of controllers that preceded it. The only kind thing I can say about it is that it removed the Select button which was fairly superfluous by that time.

It was unwieldy. I don't want a controller that I have to hold in different ways to play different games. The most common "scheme," holding the middle and right prongs, leaves the left side dangling, throwing off balance. So did the gaping controller pak port. The SNES controller (and NES 2) felt like an extension of your hand; the N64 controller was large piece of amorphous plastic.

The analog stick was too "tall" and didn't provide the user with a good grip. It was uncomfortable. Since so many games required the use of the stick, its placement should have been swapped with that of the D-Pad. In terms of meanuverability, the Saturn's analog nub or Neo Geo CD's/NGP's "saucer" (which I realize is not analog) were better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 15:47:52 2015 No.2574838 File: 42 KB, 800x586, best64.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2015 >Playing with anything other than pic related shiggydiggy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:06:18 2015 No.2574885 >>2574838 >stick in the center instead of on the left >the hell is up with that dpad >wtf is that start button >no shoulder buttons what is this bullshit get it out of my face

Totse Redux !!5+TqycLHDPW Wed Jul 29 16:09:54 2015 No.2574901

>>2574885
>Stick in the center instead of on the left
It IS an N64 controller...

>The hell is up with that dpad
You can screw a stick into it if you're an autist that needs it on the far left

>Wtf is that start button
A start button.......?

>No shoulder buttons
They are right. Fucking. There.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:11:10 2015 No.2574904 >>2574885 It's an ARCADE shark. Arcades typically don't have shoulder buttons, and the start button is designed to be out of the way and not accidentally pressed, which would interrupt arcade-style play.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:12:14 2015 No.2574910

>>2574901
>It IS an N64 controller...
And the N64 controller had a grip in the center for you to USE that stick in the center.

>You can screw a stick into it if you're an autist that needs it on the far left
Wait so there's a button that swaps between the two or is it just to make your dpad more useless?

>A start button.......?
Why does it look impossible to press without leaving imprints on your thumbs.

>They are right. Fucking. There.
Yes but not on the shoulders is it? I haven't got three thumbs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:15:34 2015 No.2574920 >>2574910 It's not intended to be held in the hand like a controller. It's meant to be an arcade stick. It looks pretty poor in that regard, too, but at least hold it up to a standard that actually applies to it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:16:04 2015 No.2574921 >>2574904 >arcade >pad

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:17:39 2015 No.2574929 >>2574921 Exactly. It's not a pad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:24:44 2015 No.2574952 >>2574910 They aren't on the shoulders because it would be impossible to press them.....

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:46:13 2015 No.2574996

>not even Mark likes the N64 controller

Uh... I don't know who Mark is and I don't care. Some people like the N64 controller, and some don't. I can see the 3D stick's flaw is that it wears off over use, but everything else is fine with the controller as far as I'm concerned.

>>2574753
>Lots of people do, what of it?

Lots of people don't mind it either.

I think it's just cool and hip to have a hateboner for anything N64-related these days. I don't know... maybe I'm getting tired.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:49:05 2015 No.2575000 >>2574996 >I think it's just cool and hip to have a hateboner for anything N64-related these days. It was pretty cool back in the day, too. I don't care if you love it or hate it, but let's not pretend the thing doesn't warrant any criticism.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:51:12 2015 No.2575006

>>2575000

Of course, that's why I'm saying it does have a flaw: the 3D stick's fragility.

But most people seem to like the meme about the controller being "for 3 handed people XD!" and that it's an "abomination", etc.
You know, classic hyperbolic shit from videogame discussion, I'm tired of it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:55:28 2015 No.2575013

>>2575006
Some people just don't like it, and they're no more right or wrong for feeling that way than you are. Just because you think it has some merit doesn't mean anyone has to agree with it. I'm so sorry your stomach can't handle a little hyperbole, but, you know, tough shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 16:58:04 2015 No.2575021 >>2573390 I use a 64 controller for most of my games that don't involve two analog sticks. For the nostalgia feels, Shovel Knight is sick with retro controllers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:00:57 2015 No.2575027 >>2573423 the dpad is no different than an xbox 360 dpad and L is almost never used, in fact its treated as a select button is some games

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:04:17 2015 No.2575034

>>2575013

It's fine, I don't really mind other people's opinions and in fact it's fun when people DO have different opinions, otherwise there would be no point in discussing.
But it's not fun when all their opinions are hyperbole. It's not that I can't stomach it, I just find myself tired of it, like there's no point discussing.

Personal and subjective tastes don't matter, I don't care if you love or hate the N64 controller either (I don't even LOVE it, I just think it works pretty good for games that were designed around it, but I wouldn't use it for other console's games), but some people go beyond their hateboner for it and discussion just turns into borderline console warring.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:05:48 2015 No.2575038 >>2574910 This guy, must not even have grown up with retro games seeing that he does not know what an ARCADE stick is

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:10:57 2015 No.2575056 >>2574753 >but the fact that I needed an expansion unit to even play some games Meh, I didn't mind it. In a way it was the N64 equivalent to the Sega Saturn RAM carts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:20:33 2015 No.2575074 >>2573382 it would be fine but it's severely let down by the crumby analog stick which wears down like a motherfucker

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:23:25 2015 No.2575083 >>2573909 You sound like a complete faggot. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:43:11 2015 No.2575114 >>2575034 Not all opinions expressed in this thread are hyperbolic; it sounds to me like you don't want any hyperbole, at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:44:21 2015 No.2575116 >>2575083 You sound like you need your ass wiped. Clearly you still do.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:48:25 2015 No.2575125

>>2575114
>it sounds to me like you don't want any hyperbole, at all.

Discussions would be a lot better without hyperbole, that's right.

I'm not saying we can't be witty, but nowdays the hate for the N64 controller is more of a meme than a real thing. The N64 controller is not an umcomfortable piece of shit as many hyperbolic posts ITT say.

I completely agree with this post, for example:
>>2575074

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:54:02 2015 No.2575132 >>2575125 >My opinion is different than the majority so they must be meming This is you. The N64 controller sucked, 90% of the games sucked, it should have been the SNES 2, but all of that was 20 fucking years ago and doesn't really matter anymore.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 17:56:34 2015 No.2575142

>>2575132

How is my opinion different than the majority? The majority of who? I'm saying the N64 controlelr has shitty 3D sticks, I thought most would agree with that.

Most of the hyperbolic posts ITT have been from a single guy who said he hates the N64 controller and prefers the 360 controller. Then there's other people that have an actually more down to earth opinion about it, like the post I already pointed out.

>The N64 controller sucked, 90% of the games sucked

Well, talk about hyperbole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:03:28 2015 No.2575157 File: 2 KB, 184x156, 1369097808436.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575132 >it should have been the SNES 2 Thank goodness it isn't. >90% of the games sucked That could be said of almost every console tbh.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:03:54 2015 No.2575159

>>2575142

>The N64 controller is not an umcomfortable piece of shit as many hyperbolic posts ITT say.
Saying something is uncomfortable ISN'T HYPERBOLIC. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them wrong, or their statements "hyperbolic."

>I want the discussion to be modeled after my particular style of prose

You need to let it go, pal. If you don't like the tone, leave the thread behind. Finger-wagging isn't going to help matters. It'd be one thing if you were lecturing people on something legitimately ridiculous, but you're getting mad because the conversation isn't as balanced (or just positive) as you'd like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:05:59 2015 No.2575165 RIP /vr/, killed by shitposting and insults instead of insightful discussion and expressing disagreement of an opinion in a mature manner. Too soon.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:08:24 2015 No.2575171

>>2575165

Here:

>>2574805

is an articulate, hyperbole-free response to OP's question. No one, including OP, has elected to respond. OP would apparently rather whine about "memes" than address the sort of responses he allegedly wants.

OP is as much to blame as anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:08:26 2015 No.2575172 >>2575056 I guess I'm just a little bitter because my parents never bought me any games for it, and that I was never good at making or keeping money as a kid. I suppose it's irrational of me.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:09:47 2015 No.2575179

>>2575159
>Don't tell others how to post.

Aren't you doing that yourself?

You are completely wrong in your stupid psychobabble. Calling the N64 uncomfortable is one thing, calling it an "uncomfortable piece of shit" is very different.

I agree with him, some posters on /vr/ have mental problems and are too hyperbolic, what the fuck issues do you have with someone saying that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:10:36 2015 No.2575182 File: 75 KB, 448x595, 1435757372193.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573909 >>2575116 >I'm so old and wise

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:11:47 2015 No.2575183

>>2575142
hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē/Submit
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Stop using that word. You clearly don't know what it means.

"Nowadays the hate for the N64 controller is more of a meme than a real thing, the N64 is not an uncomfortable piece of shit"

YOU think it isn't, MOST OF US THINK IT IS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:13:57 2015 No.2575190 >>2575179 No, I'm advising him to let it go. Some people think it's a piece of shit. The fact that you don't does not, and will not, change this. If you are so bothered by the phrase "piece of shit," you have bigger problems than 4chan etiquette.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:16:06 2015 No.2575194

>>2575159

Maybe you're right, I'm not mad though, just tired, as I said before.
just tried to point out that we're turning into a "retro quirky" /v/, no discussions, just shitposting.

Saying the N64 controller is uncomfortable and explaining why is NOT hyperbole. Opinions on the N64's ergonomics are very divided, some love it, some hate it.

Saying the N64 controller has shit 3D stick is NOT hyperbole. I think we all can agree about that, the thing does wear off after years of use.

Saying the N64 controller sucks is the hyperbolic, shitposting part that smells like /v/ baby turds, but maybe I'm just being an asshole.

Please, discuss the way you'd like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:16:08 2015 No.2575196 >>2575172 >I suppose it's irrational of me. It isn't. I still think Ninty should've packed it in with the thing to begin with. It's a pretty underrated peripheral and I think some of the systems better games utilized it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:20:05 2015 No.2575212 >>2575196 Well, it came with one of the games that used it, DK64. Should have been Majora's Mask though, I bought the Expansion for that game.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:20:25 2015 No.2575216

>>2575194
>Please, discuss the way you'd like.

And yet, for someone who allegedly wants discussion of the divided opinions, you've largely if not wholly ignored any of that and focused not on the negative opinions, but on how you don't approve of the way they're presented.

We've been discussing without you for some time now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:21:26 2015 No.2575218 >>2575194 >Saying the N64 controller sucks is the hyperbolic, shitposting part that smells like /v/ baby turds This is "hyperbolic" and I'm offended

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:22:52 2015 No.2575223 >>2575212 IIR wasn't there a special version of that game in Japan (and Europe?) that also came with the Pak? I also wished they released a special version of OoT that supported the Pak as well.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:28:01 2015 No.2575237

>>2575216

>We've been discussing without you for some time now.

I'm here since day 1.

but anyway, what did you try to say?
There would be no discussion without divided opinions to begin with. What did I ignore?

>>2575171
>OP is as much to blame as anyone else.

Totally. In fact, OP is just baiting.
This is a /v/ thread masqueraded as a /vr/ thread people, don't get fooled.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:32:26 2015 No.2575245 >>2575237 Anything you didn't deem "hyperbolic."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:36:00 2015 No.2575254 >>2575245 If I did, I wouldn't have acknowledged posts that aren't shitposting, yet still have a negative opinion on the N64 controller and that's totally fine. My own opinion about it is not 100% positive either. So no, I didn't ignore them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:40:22 2015 No.2575268 >>2575254 I'm glad you think they're totally fine. It makes me feel warm and toasty inside. Anyway, you've shared your opinion on the N64 controller AND said your piece on the soap box... no need to repeat yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:45:08 2015 No.2575273 >>2575268 Haha, what's that? You're a funny guy. So yeah you were wrong, I didn't ignore them. You are probably wrong in many other things, so just stop replying, will you? Leave

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:46:29 2015 No.2575274 >>2575273 Show us where you've responded to your Approved posts, or anything beyond "I don't like the way you said that!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:50:47 2015 No.2575283 >>2575274 I already did, do you want me to do it again? Just follow the chain of responses and you will see them. You have short memory issues?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:51:10 2015 No.2575284 >>2575273 >>2575274 This pissing contest is much worse than what the pissing contest is about. Both of you, leave your pride at the door--remember where you are--and just drop it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:52:04 2015 No.2575286

>>2574805
>Aesthetically, it was a giant step backwards from the evolution of controllers that preceded it.
Actually it DROVE the evolution of controllers forward because it introduced the analog stick numbnuts. PlayStation later responded with the release of the dualshock.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:53:04 2015 No.2575287 >>2575283 You've spent more time bickering about the conduct yourself and others than the actual topic. Just stop.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:54:46 2015 No.2575295

>>2575287

The actual topic is shitty bait, that was my whole point.
This thread is destined to be /v/ shitposting material, and it makes me sad to see /vr/ biting it.

The very first response in this thread (which, just in case, wasn't mine) described the situation very well:
>>2573384

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:55:36 2015 No.2575298 >>2575286 The subject of that statement is aesthetics, not technological advances. No controller that followed, including those from Nintendo, adopted the aesthetics of the N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:56:37 2015 No.2575302 >>2575298 inb4 Wii nunchuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:56:48 2015 No.2575303 >>2575295 >"My point was that thread was bait, and you're all bad for taking it!" says the guy chewing on a huge piece of bait

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:57:43 2015 No.2575305

>>2575038
That's retarded logic because hardly anything on the N64 would benefit from one. There were like three or four fighting games on that console and none of them were even good. You really think someone is gonna sit there and play Perfect Dark with an arcade stick?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 18:58:10 2015 No.2575307 >>2575303 Oh, so you were just pretending to be retarded? You say you are not actually retarded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:00:35 2015 No.2575314 >>2575307 Given how you completely missed the point of that post, I wouldn't go around calling people retarded.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:02:28 2015 No.2575318

>>2575302
Aesthetics are subjective, but I'd say the nunchuk is more aesthetically pleasing than the oddball N64 controller. In terms of usage, it's a pretty far cry from the three-pronged controller with a huge port on the back that has to be held in different ways depending on the game.The Nunchuck is also to be used in conjunction with a Wii Remote--even together, that's a radical departure from the N64 controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:03:44 2015 No.2575320 >>2575314 It seems you missed the point of mine instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:03:48 2015 No.2575321 >>2575298 well it's kinda dumb to shit on it for 'evolution of aesthetics' when it was one of the most innovative controllers ever released and changed controllers following forever. you can go ahead and eat shit in the corner there sir.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:05:54 2015 No.2575325 >>2575320 Great, pat yourself on the back, I'm done with you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:07:03 2015 No.2575328 >>2575321 No, it's not. Advancement in one category does not bar criticism in another.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:08:19 2015 No.2575329 File: 8 KB, 223x156, hjhjhj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575325 >I'm done with you You never started to begin with. But good to know you're leaving. Good bye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:10:19 2015 No.2575334 File: 2.64 MB, 264x240, 1417815722678.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575329 >He thinks that he's the center of the thread and that leaving him behind means leaving the entire thread behind

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:12:17 2015 No.2575336 >>2575334 The center of the thread? why, but that is you, my man. That is you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:14:27 2015 No.2575338 >>2573382 >>2573390 >>2575334 Hi OP :)

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:18:32 2015 No.2575346

>>2575196
I was always under the impression that the memory pack as well as allowing more advanced games would let the older games run with less slowdown, was this the case?

I always did fancy Goldeneye but was bothered that the speed and framerate wasn't always comsistent.

Like in a sparsely detailed and small space the machineguns would fire and animaye very smoothly, but you'd notice eventually that the more detail there was, or the more explosions and/or smoke, the game, and then the guns, would slow down.
The M16A2 (or AR-33), should fire in a smooth slick *BRRRT!*, but would often slow down to *BRTBRTBRT!* or in worse cases *BRT! BRT! BRT!*

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:26:02 2015 No.2575364

>>2575328
your criticism is retarded though

>Aesthetically, it was a giant step backwards from the evolution of controllers that preceded it.
Just because it looked different doesn't mean it's a 'giant step backwards'. So they had one prong for the dpad and another for the analog stick, big fucking deal.

>It was unwieldy.
No it wasn't it was very comfortable.

> I don't want a controller that I have to hold in different ways to play different games.
You sound retarded. It's really not a big deal.

>The most common "scheme," holding the middle and right prongs, leaves the left side dangling, throwing off balance. So did the gaping controller pak port.
Wow, how much of a limp wristed, testosterone depleted faggot do you even have to be?

The only real criticism the N64 controller had was its analog stick, which wore down too easily. That's pretty much it. Everything else you said is pretentious chucklefucks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:30:47 2015 No.2575375 >>2575364 >calls expressing opinion "retarded" >counters each with opinion You've gone too far, as the trolling is now obvious.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:34:54 2015 No.2575485

>>2575364
>>It was unwieldy.
>No it wasn't it was very comfortable.
This is entirely fucking subjective, if his opinion is that it's unwieldy, that's him sharing his experience, your own subjective opinion doesn't invalidate or argue against it in any way, you might as well have fucking said "No u!" for all it mattered.

It'd have made more sense to say "I disagree and found it very comfortable".

Personally, I found the controller to be just average in terms of handling and feel, with the biggest drawback of course being the analog stick. Just putting a textured rubber pad on the top and greasing it would have done tons for it's handling and performance.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:46:43 2015 No.2575517

Fact is, Nintendo's "Solution" to have buttons for the camera as opposed to a second analog stick was fucking stupid.

Full 3D games with no reasonable way to manipulate the camera is fucking horrid. The C-buttons suck, and the N64 is designed in a fundamentally terrible way since theres no reasonable way to access the entire controller, which usually leads to games not even bothering use of the L button and D-Pad because they used the analog stick because it was superior for 3D movement, which resulted in effectively 3 buttons + camera movement (A, B and Z, since again, very few games used R as well)

I really feel like it was over designed. Like they said "how do we add more to an SNES controller" and some dumbass suggested just slapping a dick on the middle and calling it a day.

The Playstation controller was much more elegant, an extra set of shoulder buttons that could be used in any way (a lot of the time admittedly, not used, or used for things like pitch in Armored Core, as again, no dual sticks), but its redesigned with the Dual Shock was utterly superior.

People say the Gamecube controller is good but honestly, its a fucking horrible controller as well. Outside of NES and SNES, Nintendo just fucks up controllers and handhelds constantly, look at the fucking pedigree.

>N64
>Basically can't use left side of the controller.
>GC
>Lack of second left shoulder button, strange button placement, fewer buttons then competitors
>Wii
>Completely raped the controller design. Many games basically required a "classic controller pro" (basically their competitors designs) leashed to a remote
>Wii-U a big honking tablet which while cool, is simply another gimmick, and no option for additional tablets, so friends have to use wii-remotes, which is fucking stupid
>GBA was fine. DS lacked an analog stick, which the PSP had in favor of touch screen controls
>3DS lacked a second analog stick, 3rd party peripheral to accomodate, which turns your handheld into a fucking brick

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:51:36 2015 No.2575661

>>2575517
>Fact is, Nintendo's "Solution" to have buttons for the camera as opposed to a second analog stick was fucking stupid.
Nah, I thought it was decent. Adding a second analog stick, especially with a controller design like that would make it even more retarded.

>I really feel like it was over designed.
Meh. Those controllers with the keypads and shit were much worse.

>People say the Gamecube controller is good but honestly, its a fucking horrible controller as well.
I disagree. It had a much better analog stick and overall design. Only drawback being the C-stick really.

>Outside of NES and SNES
>NES
The original controller design for that is pretty horrible. The Max and Dogbone were better designed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:53:06 2015 No.2575667 >>2575661 Wait, did I say C-stick? I meant that fucking small D-Pad.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:58:56 2015 No.2575680
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>>2575517
You can't look at controllers from 1996 and compare them to today's standards. Every 5th gen controller for 3D games was utter shit. N64 you described the issues pretty well, PS1 was a SNES controller with analog sticks thrown on because they had to keep up with the competition (which frankly was a smart move, what was stupid was keeping it for 14 fucking years), and the Saturn was a circle with neither the dpad or the analog stick in a comfortable position. Microsoft and Nintendo both vastly improved their controllers in the 6th and 7th gens, and and at this point all three (Sony included thanks to the DS4) have perfectly good controllers. I'm considering the Wii U Pro Controller and not the tablet, for the record.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:02:11 2015 No.2575685 >>2575680 >the Saturn was a circle with neither the dpad or the analog stick in a comfortable position. I don't believe that you've ever held the 3D Saturn controller in your hands.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:02:19 2015 No.2575686

>>2575680
>controllers. I'm considering the Wii U Pro Controller and not the tablet, for the record.

The Wii-U pro controller is the fucking worst modern controller I've held. The button position is garbage.

The dual shock 4 is perfect. I literally do not think they can make a better controller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:02:28 2015 No.2575689 >>2575517 You realize the C-buttons did far more than camera control, yes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:05:10 2015 No.2575692 >>2575686 I wouldn't go so far as to call it garbage, but I do feel it's a step back from the Classic Controller Pro, which I find to be much more comfortable.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:15:50 2015 No.2575715

>>2575517
>Fact is, Nintendo's "Solution" to have buttons for the camera as opposed to a second analog stick was fucking stupid.

Full 3d games barely existed at the time. No one had a damn clue how they would work or how they should be controlled. The only close-to-3d that existed at the time were Doom and Doom Clones.

And honestly, the second analog stick is barely used for anything that could not function on the controller in other way (except for a handful of games using tank-thread controls). Most games just have you moving with one stick, looking around with the other one. But you can do that without the second stick already, just put movement on the face buttons. Quake and Quake 3 on Saturn and Dreamcast already worked like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:35:51 2015 No.2575871 File: 216 KB, 1024x683, 6btnseg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573823 Hell yes. Big improvement over the NES version and surprisingly comfy for games like LttP. Also I love the feel of the lever on the official 6-button Sega stick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:58:13 2015 No.2575910 File: 2.48 MB, 3400x2250, NES-advantage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575871 Surely you jest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:00:47 2015 No.2575916 >>2573912 >pristine stick The rarity of these "pristine sticks" is a huge, huge issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:03:12 2015 No.2575917 File: 79 KB, 576x379, a_projectile_vomiting_and_guy_jpg[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2573823 >>2575871 >>2575910 >rubber dome arcade sticks

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:05:27 2015 No.2575923

>>2575715
Although I do think using "face buttons" as a directional control scheme is a handy and clever idea when you're in a pinch developing for a console that isn't geared towards free-camera 3d games anway, adding a usable second analog stick is hardly a waste. I mean, Quake 3 on Dreamcast is practically unplayable. Maybe some people can do it, but I can't see why anyone would want to put in the hours of practice when you have a keyboard and mouse sitting in front of your computer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:05:37 2015 No.2575926 >>2575917 The knob at the top? That isn't rubber on the NES advantage. In fact, the SNES Advantage and Sega arcade stick looks like it's made of the same shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:18:48 2015 No.2575948 >>2575917 The Japanese model of the Sega Genesis sticks had a microswitched stick. The international release is as shit as you describe.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:43:22 2015 No.2575982

>>2575910
Eh, I have two and the lever is alright but I hate the buttons. Maybe they just need a good cleaning out?

>>2575917
Might not be the best but they're charming and perform adequately, particularly in comparison to many of the joypads offered at the time. I have a custom arcade stick I use for emulation but I prefer playing on a stick to pads in general and it's nice to have something to play with on the original hardware. I would love to mod some of my older sticks but I'm not exactly sure how to go about it.

>>2575916
I think I ended up paying 40 USD after shipping for mine CIB. More than I would have preferred (I'm a cheap fuck) but I didn't want to chance shit condition. Tried selling it at a garage sale last weekend but I kept crying like a bitch when people asked me what I was selling it for so I guess I'll keep it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 01:07:15 2015 No.2576018

>>2573382
I have always basketball player sized alien hands and the middle arm always just got in the way and made the controller uncomfortable and gave me hand cramps. Also placement of both the analogue stick and the Z button was weird and awkward, increasing the uncomfortableness of the controller.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 01:14:08 2015 No.2576024 >>2575948 hi didn't describe anything though he just responded with a stupid adhoc green text response that implied that all rubber domed sticks were bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 01:24:19 2015 No.2576035 >>2575038 but it looks nothing at all like what you would expect an arcade stick to look like, it looks like a cobbled together mess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 01:26:02 2015 No.2576037 >>2575132 oh look, it's the N64 hate troll again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 01:53:36 2015 No.2576079 >>2575982 >>2575982 >I hate the buttons They might need cleaning out, idk. You might just not like it either. I was giving you shit. I loved the NES Advantage, but a lot of people didn't. That's life, bro

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:11:55 2015 No.2576107
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So on the topic of the N64 controller...
I just recently took apart my controller to clean out all the dust that's been accumulating inside of it. I'd never looked at the inside before, but it seems like the only part that's actually being worn down is this little white bowl where the bottom of the control stick grinds against with use.
Does anyone know if you can buy replacement parts for these? Because that would be a lot better than buying a full replacement stick, most of which just don't work nearly as well as the originals do.
Holy shit, I cannot wait until we can just 3D print replacement parts like this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:19:39 2015 No.2576113 >>2576107 There's a pcb board you can get to put any stick in there.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 02:21:38 2015 No.2576116

>>2576113
I know about other replacement sticks, but I much prefer that un-lubricated feel of the originals. Plus, some of those replacement sticks don't even work right it some games - in Blast Corps, for example, you just start moving backwards in the opposite direction if you press the stick all the way to the edge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 03:17:35 2015 No.2576179 >>2576079 Just wanted to make sure them a fair shake before I desecrated them with new parts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:29:09 2015 No.2576251 At least we can all agree that the N64 had the best "day 1" controller for 3D games.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:50:13 2015 No.2576273

>>2576251
Including non-vr systems? Not even close.
Only counting /vr/ systems, I'd still rather use a first Saturn or Playstation pads for most 3D games. It's only with FPS games that the N64 really nudges ahead, and even then it's the best of a bad bunch of "day 1" controllers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 05:56:27 2015 No.2576276 >>2573893 Did any N64 game used the Left Position?

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:23:40 2015 No.2576308

>>2575375
>>calls expressing opinion "retarded"
No, I said his opinion was retarded, not expressing opinion in general. Lrn2readingcomprehension chucklefuck.

>>2575485
>This is entirely fucking subjective, if his opinion is that it's unwieldy, that's him sharing his experience
Well no shit, and I'm expressing mine because I don't agree with his. Just because he expressed his shitty opinion doesn't mean I can't express mine and call his the piece of shit that it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 06:26:44 2015 No.2576317 >>2575517 I don't remember any games that used the PS1's second analog stick for camera control like we do today. I could be wrong though. Hell I never played any for PS2 either but in all likelihood they existed, especially as Halo became a thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:15:46 2015 No.2576375 >>2576317 Pretty much no game does because you weren't allowed to design a game that needed the Dualshock (unless you were Sony themselves).

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:45:13 2015 No.2576390

>>2576375
It makes me wonder if that second analog stick thing was a fluke on Sony's part. Did they put it there just to say, "Oh yeah, Nintendo has an analog stick? Well we got TWO analog sticks motherfuckers!" or was it an actual visionary move on their part where they could see that dual analogs would be used to the standard they are today?

I remember when I saw the dualshock for the first time. We all said the same thing, "What's the point of two analog sticks?" I really wonder if any PSX games used the second stick the way we used it today. GoldenEye had an equivalent scheme that used the C-Buttons like the WASD stick so Idk, maybe they knew. I remember the first time everyone played Halo. At first the dual stick thing felt tricky, kinda like going from keyboard only on PC to switching to KBM for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:53:04 2015 No.2576398 >>2576390 It kinda was a fluke. The reason the Dualshock has two control sticks is because it followed the Dual Analog controller. That controller had two sticks because it had a "flight mode" that followed the earlier twin stick arcade controller.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:02:25 2015 No.2576409

>>2576390
No one would have foreseen them becoming the standard for camera controls in both third and first person games, but Sony must have had an inkling that devs making stuff other than flight sims would find uses for the extra inputs.

>Halo
There were a bunch of FPS games that pioneered the dual analog setup on PS1, and it was the standard for early PS2 games like Timesplitters, when Halo was still in development as a third-person game for Macs.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:07:58 2015 No.2576414

>>2576409
>and it was the standard for early PS2 games like Timesplitters
No it wasn't. Maybe there was an option for it but I had TS2 and the default control scheme definitely wasn't dual analogs or I'd remember it.

>There were a bunch of FPS games that pioneered the dual analog setup on PS1
Like what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:14:32 2015 No.2576418 File: 73 KB, 389x455, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2576414 *Fuck, actually I'm wrong, my bad. I can't believe I don't remember this shit.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:14:55 2015 No.2576420

>>2576414
>No it wasn't.
Yes it was. It was the default for TS1 in 2000. By the time TS2 came out it was already the standard featured in Red Faction, Half Life, Soldier of Fortune, Unreal, and more.

>Like what?
Medal of Honour, Alien Resurrection, Delta Force, and more that you can research yourself.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:19:42 2015 No.2576428

>>2576390
>I remember when I saw the dualshock for the first time. We all said the same thing, "What's the point of two analog sticks?"
Dualshock was actually one of the greatest and most important controllers ever made tbh. It had the dual analogs, and another excellent thing it did was make them pressable as two extra buttons. This again made people scratch their heads, and now it's used as standard for many FPS games (melee, sprint, crouch, etc)

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:21:56 2015 No.2576431

>>2576420
>Alien Resurrection

>The game's control setup is its most terrifying element. The left analog stick moves you forward, back, and strafes right and left, while the right analog stick turns you and can be used to look up and down. Too often, you'll turn to face a foe and find that your weapon is aimed at the floor or ceiling while the alien gleefully hacks away at your midsection. Add to the mix a few other head scratchers - such as how the triangle button controls item and health use - and you'll be wondering how Sony let this get by without requesting a few different control configuration options.

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/alien-resurrection-review/1900-2637344/

> Horribly inaccurate gunplay and gameplay trips the aiming hairs over your target. The problem isn't exactly the direct fault of the game itself -- the DualShock and digital PlayStation controls are just not nearly as accurate as a PC mouse -- but without compensation on the programmer's fault, it's still a lethal blow. Tapping on the digital pad almost always slips too far, so even when shooting sitting ducks, aiming is still frustrating. And though the DualShock control pad works miracles in comparison, keeping a lock on the airborne aliens and squirrelly face-huggers is incredibly difficult. The control just doesn't swing smooth or fast enough to keep up with the incredibly agile aliens, and by the time you draw a bead, they're upon you.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2000/10/24/alien-resurrection

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:36:52 2015 No.2576448

>>2576431
>Control is a big issue when it comes to first-person shooters, and TimeSplitters goes the distance by allowing you to configure the controller however you'd like. However, the default setting is already quite good, using the left stick to move and the right stick to aim.
-Jeff Gerstmann Timesplitters review, the same month

>The game's controls utilize both sticks on the PlayStation 2 Dual Shock 2 controller--the left for movement and the right to look around...It's an elegant setup once you get used to it, and it makes for the first shooter since Perfect Dark that you're not going to wish you had a keyboard and mouse for.
-Joe Fielder Red Faction review, next year

Then sometime after that it was accepted as the norm for consoles, and not worth mentioning.
I love seeing how people warmed to concepts over time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:59:45 2015 No.2576474 https://youtu.be/jcLSWUi2kcg?t=69

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:25:36 2015 No.2576504
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Better than every other console controller before it, and after it up until the original xbox controller s.
What the fuck was Sony thinking? The PS4 controller is the first one that isn't a piece of shit. Still dumb that the analog stick is an afterthought, when very few games use the d-pad (it has always been a very nice d-pad though)[/spoiler].

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:00:50 2015 No.2576545 >>2576276 Perfect Dark plays best this way. Then again, I'm a pleb whose first introduction to console FPS was on the OG Xbox.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 19:59:01 2015 No.2577414

>>2575517
>Fact is, Nintendo's "Solution" to have buttons for the camera as opposed to a second analog stick was fucking stupid.

I don't like the N64 controller but it's not really fair to bash it just for that when Saturn and PS1 didn't even have an analog stick when they first came out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:32:55 2015 No.2577725 The Playstation Portable and Dreamcast both used analogue stick for movement and face buttons for aiming. (Or the opposite if players wished.) That worked just fine for TPS and FPS games. So why should it be a problem for the N64?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:35:44 2015 No.2577730 >>2577414 Saturn was largely 2D, and the Playstation had fixed camera angles for a huge majority of its titles. Most of Nintendo's games were games that had free following camera.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:38:49 2015 No.2577737
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Got myself one of these, never have to deal with a busted N64 stick again.

Mapping the C buttons to the C stick plus X Y Z works just fine for most things. Plus there's a mapping tool with just as much freedom as an emulator, and you can save four separate presets.

Works just as well as wii virtual console but without the huge deadzones that gives you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 22:58:57 2015 No.2577763 Just wait for Analogue to announce their designer luxury N64 controller (MSRP $199)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:13:29 2015 No.2577793 >>2577737 Nice. Can it map the analog stick to the C stick, and the analog stick to the Dpad? That setup would be awesome for Perfect Dark.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:20:18 2015 No.2577806 I had to check, but yes it can http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/gc_to_n64/index_en.php#2

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:25:53 2015 No.2577817 >>2576116 I recall you could tie a string to the other piece to lift the stick up a bit so it won't grind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:25:50 2015 No.2577925 >>2577737 Or you could just get that PCB and put the GC stick into the N64 controller

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:27:40 2015 No.2578618 >>2577925 Or you could just mod your GC to play N64 games, if you can't do that you don't deserve retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:43:34 2015 No.2578801 >>2578618 >Gamecube >Retro I know you're joking, but no. Also, the point is to not have to use the Gamecube controller.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:11:40 2015 No.2578852 >>2578801 >6th gen >too old for /v/ >too new for /vr/ >tonnes of great games getting no discussion

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:43:57 2015 No.2578924 >>2578852 I personally feel like another deviding factor will be required after a while. Like, gen 1-4 on one board, gen 3-6 on another.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:23:20 2015 No.2578975 >>2576504 whats the problem? the dualshock 1-3 is perfectly fine as it is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 13:33:51 2015 No.2578995 >>2573382 The stick is to close to the A and B buttons also the stick is very down making it uncomfortable to hold.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:40:44 2015 No.2579319 >>2578975 He just has sausage fingers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 18:35:55 2015 No.2579565 >>2578924 >>2578852 If enough people really want to discuss gamecube, PS2, etc., why don't you start a "Post-2000 6th generation general" on /vg/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 18:37:44 2015 No.2579569 >>2578852 >tonnes of great games getting no discussion >tonnes of great games Like?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 18:52:37 2015 No.2579584

>>2578852
6th gen isn't too old for /v/ and I'm sick of retards still trying to spread that lie here. They still talk about 6th gen games there a lot without any problems, hell the board has even warmed up to Halo now that all the kids who played it when they were like 5 are 18.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:11:26 2015 No.2579613 >>2579565 Because they shit on anything that isn't 'COD General'

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:29:28 2015 No.2579652

>>2573382
>"lol, who has three arms XDXD"

I (ashamedly) feel like I'm well-versed in video game nerdfaggot culture and I've never heard this one. Either that or I repressed the memory because it's so anti-braincells that having that sort of moronic fuckery floating around in my head would probably make me stupider by the day.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 20:06:29 2015 No.2579721 >>2579652 It's a modern critique of the controller. I don't ever remember anyone saying this at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 22:33:35 2015 No.2579935 >>2579565 If people really want to discuss pre-2000 games, why couldn't they just have settled for a "pre-2000 retro vidya general" on /vg/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 22:41:14 2015 No.2579949 >>2579652 lol stay mad nerd

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:43:39 2015 No.2582564

>>2579935
We did. Moot decided to split the video game boards again for some reason about a year later.

Why do you meet my suggestion with snark? It's true that you wouldn't get very far posting about that kind of thing on /v/, and since it will be deleted from /vr/ even if it gets decent discussion, you can't have a gamecube/PS2 thread here either. Luckily, there is a perfect board for that. I have no idea what you mean by "they shit on anything..." because as far as I can tell, no one on /vg/ ever browses outside of the thread they went there to post in. If you started a thread about 6th gen consoles on /vg/, the only two things that would happen are that people would either post in it and have a good discussion, or there wouldn't be enough interest/enough to talk about, and the thread would stagnate.

I'm sorry, I just can't understand why you're mad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:03:37 2015 No.2582597 >>2573382 The anolog is not durable and almost all games using analog only. Teh same shit is with 3ds slidepad.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:11:39 2015 No.2584974 >>2576504 >wireless >isnt a piece of shit heh i must admit that dualshock 2 feels like its made for baby hands but i preffer wired anytime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:17:53 2015 No.2584982 >>2584970 This ruins the balance for one handed playing of games that can be played using only the stick and the Z button.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:33:21 2015 No.2584994 File: 57 KB, 600x542, n64_controller_by_joshpoppedyou (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2584982 how the hell do you play one handed ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:40:03 2015 No.2585002 File: 66 KB, 600x542, year_of_luigi_edition.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2584994 rub your thumb on luigi's head for good luck

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 09:35:18 2015 No.2585329 >>2585002 Wiiiiigiiiiiii

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 09:41:36 2015 No.2585340 >>2582564 An opposing point of view doesn't require one being mad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 09:44:20 2015 No.2585347 >my opinions are better because I insulted you This logic seems overwhelmingly common on /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 10:40:21 2015 No.2585428 >>2584994 I actually like this one and would have had no gripes with the N64 if this was it's controller. JK, most of the games still sucked, and the stick still broked after an hour, but it would deffenitely help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 13:44:20 2015 No.2585775 Were there any N64 games that primarily used the d-pad AND the c-buttons as main controls? What about using all face buttons like a 6 button pad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 13:58:52 2015 No.2585797 >>2584994 You can play Cruisin' World with one hand, pretty much. You don't really need brakes anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 14:37:47 2015 No.2585860 >>2584994 What games even used the D-pad alone again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 14:53:15 2015 No.2585886 >>2573382 >awful stick made of shitty low quality plastic >1/3 of the pad is always left unused >looks like a massive turd This is what I hate the most with that pad. Also, contrary to what people tend to say, it's actually confortable to hold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 17:35:04 2015 No.2586238 >>2585860 Sidescrolling games like Kirby 64. Goemon's Great Adventure also used it for the sidescrolling sections, although the towns were in 3d.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 17:51:08 2015 No.2586273 >>2585428 >most of the games still sucked Eh, I personally liked them over most PS1 games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 18:29:08 2015 No.2586352 >>2573512 >not playing goldeneye with a controller in each hand It's like your a retard or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 18:35:55 2015 No.2586369 >2015 >still getting mad because Nintendo made a bad controller

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 18:49:21 2015 No.2586406

>>2573382
What's good:

The stick, when it's not being gay
The grips
The Z button was a novel idea

What's bad:
Uneven face buttons, a problem they would repeat in spades with the follow up controller for GC
Weird naming conventions for the buttons, Cup-Cdown-Cleft-Cright
The stick, when it IS being gay
Weight distribution issues when using add-ons like the rumble pak

Overall, though, it was okayish. Now, the Gamecube controller, there was something that didn't get ANYTHING right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 18:51:22 2015 No.2586410 >>2586369 "A" bad controller?

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 22:06:00 2015 No.2586851

>>2576504
at this point, the d-pad positioning of the DualShock is more of a brand-identity thing than anything else, and won't be changed

>>2577737
oh, I didn't know that existed

that looks wonderful
does it try to replicate the 66% range on the N64 stick though? IIRC, a couple of games let you turn/move faster when you use a controller that doesn't.

>>2576390
Quake 2 on the PS1 lets you use dual stick control.

it still flubs it a bit -- turning is on the left stick and strafe is on the right for some god damn reason

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 22:07:33 2015 No.2586853

>>2586406
>Now, the Gamecube controller, there was something that didn't get ANYTHING right.
The Gamecube controller has innovative shoulder buttons which really aren't that bad, and the ergonomics were great, when I was a kid with smaller hands at least.

If you have an adult man's hands, you don't really need it to be so slim, but it's still perfectly usable. It's nice and lightweight compared to Sony or Microsoft controllers, too.

I would say it's better than the dreamcast controller, although the face buttons are worse and the d-pad is much worse. The start button sucks too, but I don't know if anyone has ever cared about a thing like that.

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