/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2571826]

So did the Sega Saturn have anything cool? I hear so much praise for Megadrive and Dreamcast but nothing on Saturn.

[Anonymous No.2571829]

Do you like fighting games? Do you like shmups? Do you like SEGA first party games? Do your like weird Japanese stuff? If so it's your new favorite console.

[Anonymous No.2571836]

>>2571826
Why the fuck doesn't the ring go all the way around on the right side.

[Anonymous No.2571838]

>>2571836
Black hole

[Anonymous No.2571871]

>>2571836
Shadow.

Also, yes, the Saturn is amazing, it's my favorite console of all time, primarily for the weird Japanese stuff that >>2571829 mentioned.

[Anonymous No.2571881]

Panzer Dragoon, A near perfect port of Quake, Burning Rangers, Nights into Dreams, Shining Force, Bomberman and Sonic Jam, perfect Capcom Arcade ports, Resident Evil with an additional level which has never been included with the remakes.

Go buy a Saturn, you will not regret it.

[Anonymous No.2571885]

It's a nice way to play a lot of arcade games if you're allergic to MAME for some reason. Also Guardian Heroes.

[Anonymous No.2571897]

>>2571826
Legend of Oasis is my favorite action RPG of all time. Gorgeous, great controls, cool puzzles, it's wonderful. Magical Knight Rayearth is a really solid one as well. Saturn had a tiny, yet fantastic library of games. It's the only reto system I have a back up of in case the one I use ever craps out on me. That's how great it is.

[Anonymous No.2571906]

>>2571826
There's not a whole lot with the American library but what's there is amazing.
Some of the best games of 5th generation are on Saturn. Some of them are
-NiGHTS
-Burning Rangers
-Panzer Dragoon series
-Bunch of RPGs

If you like RPGs the console is really nice.

Realistically though the arcade ports are pretty shitty.

[Anonymous No.2571957]

>>2571906
>Realistically though the arcade ports are pretty shitty.
>literally arcade perfect versions of Capcom and SNK games
>pretty shitty

[Anonymous No.2572024]

>>2571957
They aren't arcade perfect and suffer slow downs.

[Anonymous No.2572030]

[Anonymous No.2572035]

>>2572024
Please spot the slowdown for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3OycuVbaA

[Anonymous No.2572043]

>>2572024

I've got Vampire Savior for Saturn recently.

It's amazing and can't tell any difference with the arcade version other than the sound which sounds a bit different. Animations and speed is intact, no slowdowns.

[Anonymous No.2572046]

>>2572035
Not the guy you're talking to, but Capcom's ports were generally solid because they used the 4mb ram cart extension. But the SNK version of it was only 1meg of ram and so some of their games like Samurai Showdown IV have slowdown.

They were all better than the shitshow that was the PS1 trying to run 2D fighters and the like, but not quite perfect on all fronts either.

[Anonymous No.2572051]

>>2572035
It's pretty well known all the arcade ports except for like the Darkstalker games have slow down. Other are missing frames of animation.

Some of them are pretty damn good like the one you linked. But overall they're pretty shitty.

[Anonymous No.2572063]

>>2572046
>>2572051

Real Bout Special uses the RAM cart, but as far as I can tell it isn't missing any animation frames, or suffer slowdowns.

Also, ports of games that don't use the RAM cart, like Street Fighter Alpha 2, are still pretty damn good. SFA2 is missing a few animation frames (although not as bad as the PS1 version), but it still feels a lot like the arcade. Plus I prefer the Saturn OST of Alpha 2 to the arcade.

Like, okay, it's fair to say it's not arcade perfect, but it's definitely not shitty, and it was the best way to play these games at home back in the day, and it's still a good option today if you don't want to emulate/buy the CPS board.

[Anonymous No.2572074]

>>2572063
No one is saying they were bad per se. Certainly far better than the PS1 counterparts, but...

>feels a lot like the arcade
is a far cry from
>literally arcade perfect versions of Capcom and SNK games

[Anonymous No.2572080]

>>2572074

>No one is saying they were bad per se

>>2571906

>Realistically though the arcade ports are pretty shitty.

They may not be 100% arcade perfect, but they're pretty damn close and sure as hell are not shitty.

[Anonymous No.2572101]

>>2572080
So basically, we're all being hyperbolic.

Let's just agree that the Saturn had a good number of solid to great games.

[Anonymous No.2572105]

>>2572080
>>2572063
Compared to the emulation today I'd call them pretty shit. Especially for the price of some of them like fucking SF Zero 3.

[Anonymous No.2572110]

>>2572035
I own the JP verison of this and I can confirm with the AR Cart this game has slowdown well it seems slower than other capcom games.

[Anonymous No.2572264]

>>2572105

Emulation is not 100% perfect either though.
Also, you're calling a port "pretty shit" because of the price? wut? you can play backups on Saturn in many different ways, anyways.

[Anonymous No.2572273]

>>2572264
I think his point was why would you play a rom of a saturn port when you can just run a rom of the original arcade at this point.

[Anonymous No.2572278]

>>2572273

I wouldn't argue that, but the ports are still not shit, that's my point.

[Anonymous No.2572279]

>>2571881
>>2572030
>>2571906
>Nights
>Burning Rangers
He was asking for good games, not shit ones.

[Anonymous No.2572284]

>>2572278
That's fair. I don't think they're shit either.

>>2572279
Nights is probably one of the most divisive games there's ever been. People seem to totally love it or think it's absolute garbage and are convinced that the other side is objectively wrong.

[Anonymous No.2572310]

>>2572035
>Please spot the slowdown for me

That video plays through the game with Wolverine, who is possibly the smallest character in the game. It still slows down at many parts, like whenever Doom does his gauntlet laser.

Try playing through with Blackheart or Juggernaut, and then you'll have way more slowdown. Or have Blackheart fight Juggernaut, and the entire fight will go at half speed.

And this is not even mentioning that fact that this recording was made without the RAM expansion, so it has tons of animation missing. The game can use the 1mb expansion, and if you use it, it slows down MUCH more often. Even doing a single punch will give you slowdown. Marvel Super Heroes was notorious for this.

>>2572051
X-Men COTA drops frames if the action gets hectic, Marvel Super Heroes slows down, Metal Slug slows down, X-Men vs SF and Marvel vs SF both just drop frames.

This is on top of X-Men COTA and Metal Slug not having all frames from the arcade. I'm not sure how Marvel Super Heroes (with the RAM cart) holds up in that department, but the game runs like ass with the RAM cart so it doesn't really matter.

Darkstalkers indeed doesn't slow down or drop frames at any point, I think. But it's probably because it has much smaller characters.

>>2572043
>It's amazing and can't tell any difference with the arcade version other than the sound which sounds a bit different.

Funny thing, Vampire Savior uses CD Audio for the levels, ADPCM recordings for the endings, and it uses the Saturn synth for many shorter in-game tracks like the character select, VS screen, and character win-quotes. And the RAM cart is mostly holding all of those and the menus and character select screens, not just character animation.

They really optimized the hell out of that game. Makes me wonder if they could have done the first Marvel vs Capcom on the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.2572318]

>>2572105
SF Zero 3 was one of the ports that was NOT shit. It was optimized the hell out of, like Vampire Savior was.

Earlier titles like X-Men COTA or Marvel Super Heroes, those were much worse off.

I just wish they put in more game options in Vampire Savior and both of the VS games (XvsSF and MSHvsSH). All they have are Arcade mode, VS mode, and Option mode. Vampire Savior has the EX options but that's it. Compare it to SF Zero 3 and even 2 which have like 8 modes of play, plus galleries.

[Anonymous No.2572331]

>>2572264
>>2572318
I'm not talking about emulating Saturn. The price of the game is ridiculous when it's not 100% accurate port or even 98% really. The screen is the wrong size and there's lag with some combos.
>>2572279
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.2572343]

>>2571871
Any examples of weird Japanese games?

[Anonymous No.2572351]

>>2572331
>I'm not talking about emulating Saturn.

No one is talking about emulating the Saturn. You can play backups via modchips, swap trick, an SD card loader, two other SD card loaders still in development, or flash your action replay with a loader that allows booting original games without a modchip (but you'll still need to swap trick to load the flasher utility).

>The screen is the wrong size

The screen size is only 32px smaller, but the "arena width" is the same, you just get your character more obscured if they walk into a corner.

>and there's lag with some combos

Show me a combo that lags in Vampire Savior or SF Zero 3.

[Anonymous No.2572357]

>>2572331

I meant arcade emulation is not 100% accurrate either. You know, emulation never is.

[Anonymous No.2572358]

>>2572351
I don't know how I go about showing lag.

You're ignoring inaccuracies while saying shit is optimized and arcade perfect.

Fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.2572397]

>>2572358
>You're ignoring inaccuracies while saying shit is optimized and arcade perfect.

A few posts above I was actually pointing out why these games are not arcade perfect. I never said they were. But some of them are damn fine ports, especially considering their age and that they come on a CD medium (which you can't stream sprites off of).

Seriously, show a cheaper home port of SF Zero 3 from 1999, that is as accurate as the Saturn version. It is even more accurate than some later ports, like the Dreamcast one.

[Anonymous No.2572403]

>Capcom's Saturn ports were shitty

Jesus Christ now I've seen it all.

[Anonymous No.2572404]

>>2572397
I thought you were the other guy saying they were arcade perfect. My mistake.

>Seriously, show a cheaper home port of SF Zero 3 from 1999
It's not 99 anymore.

The ports were great when they came out. The best for most of them. Most have had some kind of later release or emulation is better.

[Anonymous No.2572457]

>>2571881
Don't forget the best console port of Tiberian Dawn out there!

[Anonymous No.2572461]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdDe6NQBHns

[Anonymous No.2572493]

>>2572404
>It's not 99 anymore.

It is in /vr/.

Get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.2572501]

>>2572493
I wont have my favorite website 4chan or in your case reddit then.

[Anonymous No.2572503]

>>2571906
>Realistically though the arcade ports are pretty shitty.
In what dimension you clueless bastard? Stop confusing the saturn with the ps1. The saturn is a beast for accurate ports.

[Anonymous No.2572507]

>>2572105
>Compared to the emulation today I'd call them pretty shit. Especially for the price of some of them like fucking SF Zero 3.
SF Zero 3 is still largely considered the best port of that game on any console.

[Anonymous No.2572509]

>>2572343
Steam hearts

[Anonymous No.2572520]

>>2572501
>I wont have my favorite website 4chan or in your case reddit then.


You won't have what?

[Anonymous No.2572530]

>>2572501
Why do people hate reddit?

[Awfully /mu/ in here No.2572531]

>>2572101
SRC is 1000% better on the Dreamcast.

[Awfully /mu/ in here No.2572538]

>>2572530
It's marginally more mainstream than 4chan and a lot of content attributed to reddit is just recycled 4chan content. Besides that, the userbase can get pretty obnoxious.

Personally, I use both. The trick to not hating reddit is to unsubscribe from all the default subreddits and find small subreddits for things you like. The quality of both posts and comments you see will skyrocket.

[Anonymous No.2572554]

>>2572538
I understand what you mean, I don't hate the userbase but the always the same jokes can get annoying over time.
I only subscribe to some subs and love the site though, as for the content recycled from 4chan I guess it's true, although stealing memes isn't really a thing since that's they're meant for, there's also stuff that gets posted here after it gets posted there.

[Anonymous No.2572556]

>>2572531
Jesus Christ no. The original is way better.

[Anonymous No.2574623]

Of course, there were the 3 shining force 3 scenarios man, one of my favorite games of all time

[Anonymous No.2576170]

>>2572556

The original has an actual solid framerate, unlike the DC version.

Fucking WinCE games, man.

[Anonymous No.2576369]

>>2572457
I was very very surprised how crisp the Saturn port of C&C was. Aside from the lack of mouse support, it is equal to the pc version in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.2576401]

>>2576369
It's also missing the building animations, and you can only set so many team hotkeys (3, I think).

But yeah, it's pretty fucking good given the obvious limitations of being on a console.

[Anonymous No.2576436]

>>2571829
>weird Japanese stuff
>>2571871
>weird Japanese stuff

What "weird Japanese stuff"?

[Anonymous No.2576437]

>>2571826
That and TG-16 are pretty much the ultimate systems for shoot 'em ups. Had a lot of arcade ports in general.

[Anonymous No.2576453]

>>2576437
Bishoujo games, raising simulations, and a slew of really bad 4th gen-feeling 2D RPGs

[Anonymous No.2578229]

>>2571826
No. There are no good games for the Sega Saturn.

[Anonymous No.2578232]

>>2578229

One of these faggots in every console thread.

[Anonymous No.2578248]

Twinkle Star Sprites is better on Saturn than on DC.

[Anonymous No.2579956]

I'm actually pretty interested in getting a Saturn. Could someone tell me what a fair price is for one with a controller and needed cables? Does an action replay for region free actually work? Why the fuck are games so expensive?

[Anonymous No.2579986]

>>2578248
Yeah but it's pretty hard to find

[Anonymous No.2579992]

>>2579956
>I'm actually pretty interested in getting a Saturn. Could someone tell me what a fair price is for one with a controller and needed cables?
Depends on condition. Most have scratches and scuffs. One in good working order with no other faults generally are $50-$80. Less not on the internet obviously.
>Does an action replay for region free actually work?
Idk I don't use one.
>Why the fuck are games so expensive?
Niche market and was never very popular.

[Anonymous No.2580007]

>>2579992
I've been checking amazon and ebay online and it looks like I can get a US one for around $50. I'll be sure to ask for pictures of the console and for pictures of it hooked up and playing something. The japanese consoles seem to run about the same so if an action replay ends up working I can just buy whichever is in the best condition. Do you have any recommendations for games under $50 or so? Unfortunately a decent amount of what I want is $100+ (castlevanias, cottons, burning rangers)

[Anonymous No.2580012]

>>2579956
Supply and demand. Sega had a "no good games" policy in the west, so most stuff was either left in Japan or got very small runs in the West. People only want these good games.

Shitty Saturn games aren't expensive.

[Anonymous No.2580024]

>>2580007
Are you American? Running Jap Saturns in America usually is OK but you should know what you're doing.
Don't forget the Saturns need batteries.

>Do you have any recommendations for games under $50 or so? Unfortunately a decent amount of what I want is $100+ (castlevanias, cottons, burning rangers)
NiGHTS is good. Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2.

Problem is the real games are all pricy now.

[Anonymous No.2580036]

>>2580024
What kinds of batteries do the Saturns need? Is it something I can easily buy? I am American

[Anonymous No.2580048]

>>2580036
cr2032
Keeps the date and local saves.

[Anonymous No.2580493]

>>2571906
>bunch of RPGs

Really? I only downloaded a emulator for Saturn so I could play its version of CSotN. Do you have any recommendations or at least the best ones for it? I'm really interested on it now.

[Anonymous No.2580558]

This is probably the best video pinball game I've ever played. The table designs/rules feel like the 90's Williams games, the physics are great, and the music is fucking spectacular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFmhllxxXm0