CRT Thread: Taking a Ride on the Rings of Saturn Edition

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CRT Thread: Taking a Ride on the Rings of Saturn Edition Anonymous Mon Jul 27 01:12:28 2015 No.2567779 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread - >>2542787

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

These past few threads have been great, keep it up!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright!
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/gxtQsPLM
Thread Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PhdXJYwA8xModrTV1Yt-i1tvNgwiagpeBx0m_xNIVtc/viewform?edit_requested=true&fbzx=9009823977812318933

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 02:07:17 2015 No.2567852

>>2567786
Corrected svid pasta
http://pastebin.com/Kc5xkjYu

The original 4000x3000 shots of checkerboard effect are in pic archive. Imgur resizes images too big, that's why I put resized shots, the effect is fairly obvious when watching at 100% size.
>>2567170
At best you get composite quality. At worst you get super low quality image because the composite signal isn't made for either Y or C input.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 02:35:30 2015 No.2567885

>>2567852
But you're saying that the perfect chequerboarding we're familiar with only happens with crosstalk/poor shielding on low quality S-Video cables, nothing to do with the composite line being fed through both ports? I suppose that's possible.

If I didn't have to work for a living, I'd find the time to test that, but let's be real i'm never going to get to it :(

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:15:08 2015 No.2567916
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>>2567885
having experienced it first hand, yes I'm certain it's a Y/C crosstalk issue.
The cable I used to replace wasn't even anything special. I tested it with a Svid modded megadrive, so I knew it didn't have checkboard. When I cut it, I saw it was a simple 4 wires + drain wire + shield foil, not unlike a USB cable. Not even twisted pair or individual shielding. This should tell you of the low quality of console cable floating around

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 10:29:34 2015 No.2568384 Any way to reduce the whine from CRTs? I have sensitive hearing, the buzzing can really interfere with games with great music like SoTN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:47:45 2015 No.2568647 File: 855 KB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2568384 Yeah, buy a fucking sound system to make it louder then your shit crt. >pic related, one of my speakers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:51:23 2015 No.2568657 >>2568384 I can't ever hear it. Maybe buy a different crt? Wear headphones? Turn the sound up?

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 12:56:30 2015 No.2568676
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>>2568384
Different CRTs have a higher noise threshold than others, so you might be able to mitigate the problem by switching sets.

Aside from that, all you can really do is raise the audio level to push it into the background OR raise it even higher until it takes out the upper range of your hearing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:59:18 2015 No.2568683 >>2568676 great shot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:08:00 2015 No.2568835 >>2568676 DAYTONAAAAAAAAAAA

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 15:11:25 2015 No.2569018
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>>2568683
Thanks. I have to say, this is probably one of the cleanest and nicest RGB signals I've seen on this monitor, despite my cable being a few very thin wires slide into the AV port. Managing to keep the ground connected is a real bitch though.

>>2568835
Only game I currently have for my just recently working Saturn. Really happy about it being inside that NHL97 case.
I'm tempted to try the swap trick, but considering I had to tweak the laser just to get it working, that might not be the best of ideas.

Any suggestions on other cheap but good Saturn games I could look into picking up? I plan to get a mod chip for it at some point, but something to play in the mean time would be nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:21:33 2015 No.2569050 Daily reminder not to waste money on an ArcadeVGA and to just use a $20 HD4000 ATI card with crt_emudriver https://youtube.com/watch?v=PBOc_zTSu-g

QuiZNo !!2TML71FJz69 Mon Jul 27 15:25:54 2015 No.2569061

>>2569018
How cheap is cheap?
Gunbird is so fun and yet so cheap for an import SHMUP. There's these short little cutscenes between levels and I was surprised to find that in two player you get different cutscenes depending on which two characters are currently playing. That just made me love the game so much more. Some kawaii shit.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 16:34:09 2015 No.2569282

>>2569061
The cheaper the better; Looking at mod chips, I can get a V3 for <40 or a Phantom for <30.
I figure a copy of Night into Dreams would be a decent, if expected pick up.
Think disc only copies of NiGHTS, Darkstalkers Revenge, and Virtua Cop would be worth $20-25? I already have the gun, so that wouldn't be a problem.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:37:50 2015 No.2569293

>>2569282
Do the v3, it's just a ground wire depending on the model.

>Nights 20-25$
even less if you have a 4 in 1 AR, and don't mind japanese
>Darkstalkers revenge 20-25$
yea.
>Virtua Cop
You can get a 3 game package of Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop, and Daytona USA for 20$ usually

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 16:49:11 2015 No.2569360

>>2569293
I don't have any type of cartridge for it yet and that price would be for all three together, assuming the seller would accept the offer.

>Do the v3, it's just a ground wire depending on the model.
The Phantom seems to be essentially the same; Maybe bridge a jumper, connect the ribbon cables and a wire for power.
It being both the cheaper option and available from the same person I've been looking at for a XenoGC is definitely tempting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:51:18 2015 No.2569365 >>2569360 I ordered my v3 because I couldn't find a phantom, so I'll tell you how it rolls over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:52:32 2015 No.2569371 File: 18 KB, 225x300, 3in1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569360 And there's a game pack that came the the saturn later that had those three in it.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 17:11:15 2015 No.2569450

>>2569371
I get you, but Virtua Cop would in all essence be a bonus with NiGHTs and DS at that price, assuming that's a decent deal. It's something I'm not super hyped to play, but I already have the controller for it so getting it would be neat.
Virtua Fighter would be neat as well but not a top interest and Daytona is the one game I already have, which would be a waste if it's not the updated/fixed version.

>>2569365
Cool. The place I'm looking at is someone on assembler, and it seems like he just got them back in stock last week. If I'm reading it right, under $40 for the two of them shipped would pretty nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:18:43 2015 No.2569464 >>2569450 Ah okay I get what you mean now. So uh who do you play the most Darkstalkers

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 17:38:36 2015 No.2569513
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>>2569464
Being entirely honest, the only two I've really played at all are Morrigan and Lilith, and I'm fully aware I'd need to pick up Savior for the latter.
A small amount of Felicia too, but I'd have to say Lilith is my favorite.

Need to try gitting gud at a fighter at some point, I'm pretty shit at just about all of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:38:59 2015 No.2569514 >>2568384 Put some earbuds in, even without music playing they'll block the annoying frequencies.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:45:26 2015 No.2569525

>>2569513
Since I obviously don't have my modchip yet, I don't know if any of the saturn versions of Darkstalkers have Hsien-ko or Lei Lei cause she's my fighting game waifu.

Also, Darkstalkers is a good place to start at gitting gud at fighting games, played arcade versions for a while over mame and it really kicks you into gear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:54:09 2015 No.2569548 >Replaying Majora's Mask on a RGB modded N64 Shit was beatiful. Can't wait to play more games on it. I just wish I had more cash to blow on a better upscaler.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Jul 27 18:04:30 2015 No.2569573
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>>2569525
Hunter(Revenge) and Savior(DS3) both have her. The latter makes use of the 4MB card apparently, which is something I'd like to get at some point.

I've emulated both on the Wii, which handles them quite nicely, but sort of limits you to CPU/local play. The same would go for the Saturn, but it would be nice to have a physical copy.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:05:00 2015 No.2569575
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So I finally have a shot of grabbing a FW900 for about 400 bucks. I'm building a new PC and largely plan on playing mostly emulators and wanted a good monitor and have always heard high praise about this one. There's just one thing I need to know- How well does this thing handle custom refresh rates? I'm mostly going to be playing arcade games with wacky-ass refresh rates (55-58hz for example), and wanted to know what software to use, if it'll work with it. I was doing some research and didn't find a lot of info regarding the FW900 & MAME together. I did see a archived post saying it wouldn't tolerate refresh rates below 59hz, but I wanted to see if he was hopefully wrong otherwise, I'll just save up for a ROG Swift monitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:07:37 2015 No.2569584 >>2569573 Fuck yes, can't wait to play. Just get the 4 in 1 Action Replay from Segastyle. It is a region unlocker, 1 & 4mb card, Action Replay, and you can put saves on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:37:34 2015 No.2569675 >>2569573 Saturn is the ultimate savior versior, it adds missing donovan, pyron and phobos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:44:25 2015 No.2569697 >>2569575 I make my fw900 do all kinds of silly shit. It won't go below 31khz, though. The limits depend on your graphics card. I tried to get it to do 4k, but windows wouldn't give me the option. Probably a bandwidth issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:50:08 2015 No.2569718 >>2569697 I know 31 khz is the minimum, I was referring to vertical, not horizontal. >The limits depend on your graphics card I was thinking of buying an ArcadeVGA card, but I heard it's not entirely necessary anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:45:18 2015 No.2569876 >>2569675 that's pretty baller

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:10:34 2015 No.2569928 >>2568676 >>2569018 those graphics look really good what kind of CRT do you use?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:26:45 2015 No.2569969 >>2569697 you're talking apples and oranges. He was talking vertical sync (55-58hz) and you were talking horizontal.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:29:35 2015 No.2569980

>>2568384
1) find a different hobby
2) if your CRT supports 480p and so does your game, 480p is above human hearing (31khz or so). So 480p or running 15khz video through an upscaler that converts to 480p will do it if your CRT can actually handle 480p.
3) find some way to seal off the flyback transformer from everything else. be careful not to kill yourself from the electricity.
4) (what i do, despite being able to hear it) deal with it, because I always had to deal with it growing up and I got used to it then and can get used to it now. I'm not a wimp.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:31:52 2015 No.2569985 Could someone offer advice on a logical increment scale for upscalers? The generic no-name upscaler that costs 45 dollars is on the bottom, and the XRGB is at the top, but I have no idea which upscalers are mid-tier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:32:40 2015 No.2569992 >>2569985 I have no idea except that the framemeister is supposedly good. Don't get an upscaler, get a proper CRT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:33:42 2015 No.2569995 >>2569992 >>2569985 p.s. you're on the wrong thread to get help with scalers I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:33:49 2015 No.2569997 >>2569992 Getting a CRT isn't an option for me because of where I live.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:34:04 2015 No.2569998 >>2569985 just wait for this : http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52158 XRGB are overpriced

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:35:16 2015 No.2570003 >>2569997 where the hell do you live that you can't find an old CRT no one wants somewhere? Antarctica? I live in a FIELD with only farms nearby and was able to find a good toshiba in a friend's basement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:38:13 2015 No.2570009 >>2570003 Maybe he lives in a closet and can't fit one.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:46:20 2015 No.2570031

>>2570003
>>2570009
This. I live in a college frat, and the personal space for things is limited. There's no way I could fit a CRT. It's already tough having enough space to store my consoles.

Also, I want to record the gameplay with a capture card, meaning using an upscaler with HDMI exit is by far the best option for me.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:08:15 2015 No.2570101

>>2569985
Micomsoft scalers > shit > ultra shit
For as what you can buy new.
>>2569998
You're an idiot.

That guy isn't making a scaler. I have high hope but realistically it's gonna have problems.
>>2570031
>>2570009
>>2570003
If you got room for a normal TV and scaler you got room for a CRT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:11:50 2015 No.2570112 >>2570101 yeah he's making something simpler, cheaper, better. With success if you read the thread...

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:17:01 2015 No.2570135

>>2570112
I can read, kiddo. How about fucking off?
It's a line doubler. XRGB 3 is the best line doubler out there.
The line doubler he made has huge problems with sync issues. If he fixes it to be as good as the XRGB 3 then that would be amazing since his outputs dvi. The 240p to 480i transitions are fairly quick but needs more testing.

The micomsft stuff is nowhere near overpriced.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:25:40 2015 No.2570163 >>2570135 there's no mention of sync issues in the latest posts, only capture issues due to amarec.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:26:55 2015 No.2570167 >>2570163 Watch the videos he's posted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:28:42 2015 No.2570176 >>2570167 videos captured with amarec.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:30:35 2015 No.2570185 >>2570176 The guys stuck a camera in front of the TV...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:33:48 2015 No.2570197 >>2570185 you didn't read didn't you.... http://www.niksula.hut.fi/~mhiienka/ossc/vcap_sc-512n1/ all of this is done with vid cap

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:35:31 2015 No.2570203 >>2570185 that youtube vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inng0FuyQVE is more than 6 month old. There has been huge progress ; you would know if you read the thread and not only the op

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:41:42 2015 No.2570224 >>2570203 >>2570197 For the second time I can read fucking retards. You mentioned that sync issue was his capture device. I said no because he posted a video with a camera that shows the same issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:44:28 2015 No.2570229 >>2570224 posted after june 28 (date of the post with captures) ? please show me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:46:13 2015 No.2570234 >>2570229 If he's posted a new one I don't know about it. The videos I've seen show sync issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:48:18 2015 No.2570245 >>2570234 the newest stuff is the captures, with sync issues being caused by amarec. There are no newer live filming. You didn't read, plain and simple

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:50:30 2015 No.2570254 >>2570245 What are you talking about? Are like 15 or something? When the fuck did I say there was new videos?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 21:59:48 2015 No.2570283 >>2570031 not even a little 12 or 14 inch one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:02:52 2015 No.2570294 >>2570234 post that vid then, with the date. only sync issue was snes, and that was resolved as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:04:02 2015 No.2570298 >>2570294 The Chrono Cross vids show it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:14:19 2015 No.2570351

>>2570298
The only problem I see in the Chrono Cross video is a bit of wobbling at the middle of the screen at the start (can be caused by a billion things including bad cables or by the machine), and when he switches to the menus you can see the interlacing on the screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:15:58 2015 No.2570360 >>2570351 Text flickering is a sync issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:17:06 2015 No.2570367 >>2570298 which one ? the live one is 6 month old the captured one has amarec issues And if you're talking about 240p-480i transistions, it still handles them better and faster than XRGB

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:17:55 2015 No.2570371 >>2570367 >And if you're talking about 240p-480i transistions, it still handles them better and faster than XRGB You really need to stop talking about shit you have no idea about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:23:47 2015 No.2570396 >>2568384 I've found splitters can add lots of noise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:29:05 2015 No.2570420 >>2570371 sorry, XRGB mini AKA the one everybody wants and gets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:32:33 2015 No.2570435 >>2570420 And that one has no line doubling ability so why compare it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:49:55 2015 No.2570497 >>2570283 Between that and a modern, I would rather use the livingroom's large HDTV+upscaler instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 22:51:57 2015 No.2570506 >>2570435 Why are you so salty ? Are you affraid your little box is going to lose value ? Or do you have buyer's remorse ?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:03:08 2015 No.2570561
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>>2570506
>salty
Guessed that younger age pretty accurately.

The guy has an interesting project and I'd love to have it turn out great. The issues I've seen are pretty shitty but fixable. Most the thread is people bitching about output options unfortunately.

I've been messing with scalers for years and have $1000 invested in various scalers, linedoubles, slgs, and all sorts of transcoders/rgb interfaces/sync devices/etc. Adding this guy's project to my pile would be nice if it's actually good. Personally I have more hope for the XRGB 4.

But there's a lot of dumb kids like you that think anything that costs more than your allowance is shit. But gotta get that nerd cred.

In the meantime fuck off back to /v/. You don't know shit about the subject.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:04:11 2015 No.2570565 >>2570561 :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:06:36 2015 No.2570572 Can the XRGB 3 output 240p stuff through the DVI out with scanlines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:09:52 2015 No.2570587 >>2570572 Scanlines only work in B1 mode. B1 is linedoubling mode so 480p. And B1 only outputs through VGA. Not sure why you would want to try to output 240p with dvi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:48:20 2015 No.2570725 >>2570587 240p 'like' to dvi - hdmi converter - hdmi compatible monitor/tv. Seems to be the biggest shortfall of the xrgb3 that you can't do the B1 mode outside of analog output.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 23:50:55 2015 No.2570735 >>2570725 A scaler you mean? And ya you need a transcoder with the XRGB3.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:30:10 2015 No.2570836

>>2569050
MFG that video was awful. He barely has any traction (Groovymame on an older ATI card is better, yes, but someone in commercial competition is hardly going to announce that) and his style is to keep repeating the same odd comparisons and declaring his respect for the guy who makes it.

>>2570254
Not even the guy you're having the hissy with, but good lord, you're an angry little ant, aren't you. You started by ramping up your shrill tone and telling that guy he was wrong. Then it turn out you are.

TL;DR HE'S RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T READ THE LATEST INFORMATION.

You lost an argument online, get over yourself already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:32:31 2015 No.2570843 >>2570497 That's because you've never used an 8" PVM. They're normally about $25, totally worth it and totally fun.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:34:00 2015 No.2570849

>>2570836
Let me guess. Same guy comping the mini to this guy's project? Same guy that doesn't know what a linedoubler is?

Anyone can look at that video and see the sync issues that isn't an idiot.

Not sure why so many kids try to give opinions about scalers they've never touched.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:39:12 2015 No.2570860 >>2570849 >Same guy...Same guy Guess again, chuckles. If you think it's no good, why don't you just say so?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:40:48 2015 No.2570862 >>2570860 What are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:42:31 2015 No.2570864 >>2570862 3/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:43:28 2015 No.2570865 >>2570864 Think you're on the wrong board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:45:52 2015 No.2570870 >>2570865 hahahahah, ok. You're so flustered you can't even keep up. Chill, come back in 20, and scan for the irony.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:49:49 2015 No.2570873

>>2570870
I'm just here at this point to laugh at idiots like you and the "other guy" that make blanket statements like xrgb scalers are overpriced while linking to an unfinished linedoubler project.

No irony here, champ. Just your ignorance about the subject.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:56:13 2015 No.2570882 >>2570873 Oh my, you're mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:57:32 2015 No.2570883 File: 49 KB, 500x129, 1398887097723.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2570882 This kid is out of control!

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:02:05 2015 No.2570894

>>2570883
lol I know, rite?

To the mad guy: Relax, we're actually listening. Post up some links. We're all here to learn, and we'd genuinely like to keep up to date with Craftymech's project. (That's the one, right? I haven't looked it up in lie 5 months at least)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:09:16 2015 No.2570910 >>2570894 Sorry, there are obviously already links. I think I more meant slow down and formulate a better argument so the rest of us can follow it and not get distracted by the drama. Please :)

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:10:12 2015 No.2570912

>>2570894
The XRGBs have their own wikis and very large threads on shmups.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6987
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33450
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-3
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER

The DVDO stuff to a lesser extent.

Anything else is garbage.

That's why this guy's project stands out since it's looking very good minus a couple problems that seem fixable.

Not sure what the other two idiots problem is other than being idiots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:13:11 2015 No.2570918 >>2570912 Ok so now i've totally lost track of who's who. Thanks for the post, whoever that was :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:14:21 2015 No.2570923 >>2570894 >Craftymech's project nope

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 01:15:21 2015 No.2570925 >>2570918 I assumed by mad guy you meant me, the guy talking about the XRGBs and posting to the kid saying they're overpriced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 03:29:23 2015 No.2571125 How does this make you feel, /crt/? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=a8_Dl9ubCyI

Kya !kDashing02 Tue Jul 28 03:55:54 2015 No.2571142

>>2569928
20M2MDU PVM

Saturn is connected directly to my SCART->BNC breakout cable via a few 5 inch lengths of wire that are probably somewhere around 30AWG; Even with the insulation on, it's only the size of ~26awg.

Debating on taking it up and trying it out with the Megaview, since NTSC Saturns have c-sync available directly from the av connector. It may not like the extremely basic and flaky grounding I'm using though.

I love the fact that the system outputs display ready signals outright, without the need for any resistors or coupling caps in the cable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:05:53 2015 No.2571152 >>2571125 Physically sick, and I think my monitor hates me a little for having to display one of its brothers dying

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 04:56:09 2015 No.2571209 >>2569575 VGA crts generally can do 50Hz fine. I've used 50hz for pal heavy emulation on a 20 inch Trinitron before (amiga, master system etc)

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 06:31:19 2015 No.2571293 There's a Dell D825HT near me for $10. Worth getting for DC VGA use?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:38:51 2015 No.2571343 File: 878 KB, 1966x1492, IMG_20150728_122103-dot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the point of these clear dots on the border anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 07:44:15 2015 No.2571347 >>2571343 mite b for rotation adjust and vslope

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 11:33:46 2015 No.2571713 Would there be a way to make the poll ask us what model CRT we use, as well as letting us upload a picture of it in action? This would be a great resource.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:13:55 2015 No.2571774 File: 316 KB, 2844x3892, 2BD31D9EFDA594F987C5419844204CE943930F15001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yay or nay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 12:20:02 2015 No.2571785 >>2570836 The guy who made that video is obsessed with running games with an absolutely perfect refresh rate. https://www.reddit.com/r/cade/comments/3awnmj/why_arcadevga_is_a_scam/

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue Jul 28 13:15:46 2015 No.2571902 >>2571774 Nay Very old, very low TVL count, no support for NTSC decoding, and composite only.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 15:13:23 2015 No.2572186 >>2571774 sure if you feel like a 9 inch that isn't even that good for a 9 inch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 17:06:45 2015 No.2572407 File: 2.33 MB, 1609x1207, rose tiddies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 50hz is hell but rgb scart is great

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:19:17 2015 No.2572536
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g0d f00kin dammit

so i was fucking around with the vertical size/position pots on my pvm and my image is fucked

input is rgb from a model 1 megadrive, it happens with other consoles and with composite as well.

Also the image shifts and spazzes out a lot, it usually looks less like this and more like a weird case of horizontal collapse. Think the image being 3-dimensionally warped towards the back of the tube like it was a carpet protruding out of the screen

Fuck me sideways

Any ideas on how to possibly fix this?

I'll also ask this while i'm at it: convergence is kinda shit even when it worked, when i displayed white lines you could see red and blue being somewhat offcenter related to where they should be.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 18:23:50 2015 No.2572548

>>2572536
god damn am i tired. last sentence should have been: "is this fixable with the pots/controls the screen presumably has, do i want to fuck around with those magnetic strips around the yoke or do i just live with it and don't try to fuck with the damn thing any more?"

another thing i'd be wondering is if recapping would do it any good, and if i could do a tube swap with this tube onto another pvm (from a 2130QM to a 20M4E)

too tired for this shit i even have an exam i gotta fail tomorrow, i'll just sleep about it and see if any replies came up while i was trying not to suffer as hard

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:40:12 2015 No.2572664

>>2572548
Hmm, those trimpots aren't made to be as durable as something on the front with a knob on it. I guess it's possible you've broken them, but i wouldn't know. If you were going to recap, mb replace the pots first and see what goes on? At least try adjusting them again when you're not so frazzled. Are you doing it in real time with a mirror, or while the set is off?

The tube swap... doesn't sound like fun. The M4 series is really high TVL, the 2130QM isn't, so it won't look as nice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 19:49:49 2015 No.2572686 >>2571774 *yea

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:00:13 2015 No.2572701

>>2569718
>>2569969
I wasn't implying you were talking about horizontal. It's just going to be important if you're trying to go with low resolutions.

If you want me to spell it out for you: Yes, it will do any refresh rate you want as long as you stay above 31khz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:07:25 2015 No.2572718 File: 355 KB, 720x480, cc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2570360 >Text flickering is a sync issue. If you mean this part, it is not a sync issue. It's just a lack of deinterlacing on hi-res interlaced display (480i).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:23:36 2015 No.2572751 >>2572718 That's a sync issue. And that is deinterlacing. XRGB 3 handles that much better. Stuff like LPF basically eliminates the vertical shake or makes it unnoticeable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:48:13 2015 No.2572807 >>2572751 Well the other Chrono Cross video he posted does NOT have the issue, so I'm guessing it's a capture problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 20:55:27 2015 No.2572823 I'd like to contribute with something CRT and Saturn related, but since my Saturn is dead due to my monkey hands, I'll tease y'all ears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFKxd9W04nU

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:07:39 2015 No.2572847 >>2572536 Those are some serious scanlines

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 21:10:46 2015 No.2572857 >>2572536 My advice is to find the service manual before you do any more tinkering.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:10:40 2015 No.2572980

>>2571774
Nay.

When it comes to 8" sets the 8045/9045 models are great, 450TVL and will take Composite. S-Video, RGB & Component. Lots of fun and they look great.

The 8042/9042's are... ok, if you can't get one of the above.

The lower spec ones (8/9040, 8/9022, ome sets) aren't worth paying any more than $10 for. And even then only for the novelty. Lower TVL and lack of inputs.

>>2572751
>That's a sync issue
Possibly, but it's a minor one from like a truncation/rounding vs timing issue, i'd reckon. Could be in the capture, as the other anon notes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:13:43 2015 No.2572992 >>2572980 A jittery image is a pretty shitty fault. If I mess with the sync settings on the XRGB I can achieve the same effect and it's unplayable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 22:31:17 2015 No.2573027 >>2572992 It's unacceptable for a finished product, I agree. But the efforts to get as far as he has are amazing, and by comparison this seems like a minor hurdle to overcome.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 23:03:34 2015 No.2573094

>>2572992
At least it switches resolutions instantly, unlike the XRGB which takes 10 fucking seconds to re-sync.

And besides, how many 480i games do you have, anyway? There were like a few dozens of hi-res games at best, and all but 2-3 of them were in from the 32/64bit era.

Anonymous Tue Jul 28 23:11:11 2015 No.2573118

>>2573094
The framemeister has the 240p to 480i issue. The XRGB 3 is actually instant. Faster than what the video shows for the guy's linedoubler which is very fast it seems. Like only blank screen for about 2 seconds max it seems which is nice.
As for 480i I play nothing that runs in 480i. I do however have a requirement that if I use a scaler/linedoubler it must be able to play Majora's Mask.
>>2573027
Yes like I said I have hope for it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:44:31 2015 No.2573349

Let's get back on topic :)

I've acquired a KFC CA-2011 PC CRT recently. It syncs from 31 to about 80kHz over VGA (1600x1200@60, give or take).

It also takes Sync-on-Green, and I'm wondering if there's anything funky I can do with that. I have a Wii (and a PSOne) and I'm happy wiring cables... Any easy way to get SoG out of the Wii for 480p?

I'd prefer not to acquire a component to VGA box, as they're $50 at least. And the LMH1251 chips and output buffers are 1. nearly as expensive, 2. SSOP footprint, which is going to be a pain to adapt. Not even sure I can solder that small. Let alone design a circuit.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Jul 29 00:52:29 2015 No.2573360
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>>2573349
Wii will only output 31khz when in component mode, RGB is limited to 15khz, and you'd need to make a circuit to combined green and sync anyway.
PSOne will only 15khz RGB, as that's all PS1 games support. The PS2 and PS3 will output RGsB for 480p titles only on the former and system wide for the latter.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:56:26 2015 No.2573372

>>2573360
Yeah i suspected most of that, but thought I'd ask. Thanks Kya.

The combiner i could manage pretty simply, it was the signal format i was concerned with.

Shame, tho. I have the ability to use it, but nothing that outputs it. If i was going to go YPbPr to VGA i wouldn't even bother then going to SoG.

(Hmm, i wonder if you could feed a SoG line into a LM1881 and get clean C-Sync out of it. I bet you could, though you might have to do something to amp the green line if you want it for video as well.)

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Jul 29 01:08:24 2015 No.2573398
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>>2573372
>(Hmm, i wonder if you could feed a SoG line into a LM1881 and get clean C-Sync out of it. I bet you could, though you might have to do something to amp the green line if you want it for video as well.)
Y/Luma into an LM1881 works fine. And yeah, you probably would need to re-amplify it if you're driving to things with.

You could, hypothetically, drive the monitor with component and just deal with everything being a green mess.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:19:46 2015 No.2573420

>>2573398
>You could, hypothetically, drive the monitor with component
I'm allergic to green, lol.

Yeah, i was thinking about that, and trying to filer it somehow, but given it's taking green as luma, anything lit turns green. Turning down the green = turning down the brightness of the entire image.

Hmm, what about feeding Y into all three inputs? And then... I don't know, combinging with the Pb and Pr? Those are just colour difference signals, no? But they're analogue. What could i do with them?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:30:19 2015 No.2573439

>>2573420
>feeding Y into all three inputs
Would give black and white, or possibly grey due to split signal. And with the effort of doing something with Pb and Pr, if they are only colour difference channels, I could probably get VGA more easily.

Still, I'll keep thinking, and would appreciate any input :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:52:40 2015 No.2573476 http://mcallen.craigslist.org/ele/5123572736.html Just thought I'd share this for giggles. >that price

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Jul 29 01:53:34 2015 No.2573480
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>>2573420
>mm, what about feeding Y into all three inputs? And then
Y is just brightness, so feeding it to all three wouldn't do much for you color wise.

>And then... I don't know, combinging with the Pb and Pr? Those are just colour difference signals, no? But they're analogue. What could i do with them?
They need to compared to Y in order for you to get proper colors out of them. The image I posted is 240p Component being fed into a monitor that thinks it's getting RGsB. You get some color, but it's very dark and green tinted.

I know there are circuits out there for going from the YPbPr color space to RGB, but I'm not sure if they'd be applicable in this situation. A simple google search brings up something that looks like it could be made for maybe $20-25, based of the LT6552. It also, technically, seems to be generating RsGsBs rather than just sync on green. Not sure if that'd throw a wrench in things or not.
Disclaimer: I am not too smart when it comes to electronics and circuits, so it could be completely useless.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:21:46 2015 No.2573528

>>2573480
>They need to compared to Y in order for you to get proper colors out of them.
Yeah, i realise. Ima think about that one. Going to the trouble of playing with those signals might not be worth the effort when going straight to VGA would be an option.

I doubt that any RsGsBs having that "extra" sync wouldn't matter. The sync pulses are delivered during the blanking interval at the end of each active line, so their presence shouldn't really do much.

Interesting idea though, that LT6552. Skimming it, it must provide a difference function between a signal and a reference level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 02:58:11 2015 No.2573581 >>2573476 >http://mcallen.craigslist.org/ele/5123572736.html Wow, that's hilarious. (I secretly hope CRT's do come back into fashion and become valuable again, but hey.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:05:07 2015 No.2573589 >>2573476 Either that's a typo or they have no idea that the average piece of consumer technology plummets in value following mainstream obsolescence.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:15:56 2015 No.2573603 >>2573581 >wanting CRTs to go up in price a la retro game bubble

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 03:25:50 2015 No.2573618 >>2573603 It might happen with very old wood furniture sets, or designer stuff from BO/Loewe. But not with regular sets and even less chance with flat screeners.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:11:54 2015 No.2573697 A question for you CRT nuts here. Don't these television sets emit small amounts of radiation? Aren't you worried at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:14:57 2015 No.2573704 >>2573697 Your own body emits radiation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:22:43 2015 No.2573712 >>2573697 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube#Ionizing_radiation

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:58:51 2015 No.2573749

>>2572664
will do. its probably the damn pots breaking.

i want to know about the tube swap because the m4e tube is fucked (swear to god i want to kill myself) so instead of throwing out a perfectly good chassis i was wondering if i could go that road and also get component input as a bonus. i figure you cant though, but hey. no harm in asking

>>2572857
i have it. read it too. still a bitch to work with.

>>2572847
like the devs intended indeed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 04:59:47 2015 No.2573750 >>2573697 No.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 05:56:46 2015 No.2573805

>>2573749
Each chassis (read neckboard and guns) tends to be designed to run with the tube it comes with. Which isn't to say it's impossible. Try posting the question on some arcade forums, those guys are always playing with tube/chassis combinations.

It won't look quite as nice with the lower spec tube, but it might work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 06:52:58 2015 No.2573852 >>2573805 if it works i might do it until i fix the one it came with hopefully i will someday find more pvms/monitors to tamper and play with

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Wed Jul 29 15:40:33 2015 No.2574816 File: 1.12 MB, 3280x2460, 100_5571.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:50:27 2015 No.2575397 >bought a powered component splitter >picture comes out much bright than it went in what are my options? AFAIK, the brightness on my BVM is universal, so simply turning down the brightness would negatively affect my RGB picture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 19:57:23 2015 No.2575412 >>2569450 Got my v3 installed it, had a few problems since I was rushed, all in all it worked and same with the AR, literally had to just solder the ground wire and plug in the 20 pin connectors

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:19:57 2015 No.2575450 File: 141 KB, 1000x563, 717BFWVAraL._SL1000_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575397 looks like it was supposed to come with this thing? >Input Impedance: External 75 ohm terminator

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:23:13 2015 No.2575458 >>2575397 RC coupling in the Y line, MB. Or at any rate, resistors in the line(s), and mb caps too. Breadboard something out and give it a crack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:31:33 2015 No.2575479 >>2575450 >>2575458 If the BVM is terminated properly it shouldn't matter? Double termination is a little unusual. Still if you have extra 75R terminators you could try it, it's not about to hurt anything.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:37:01 2015 No.2575494
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>>2575479
The BVM has 75 ohm terminators on the back. When I plug the console directly in, it looks great. When I run it through the splitter, it comes out too bright.
The weird thing is that the splitter has 2 inputs.
>>2575458
I appreciate the help, but I don't have those parts lying around to fool around with. If I'm gonna go out and buy something, I'd like to make sure there isn't a quick fix like in the previous picture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 20:54:40 2015 No.2575539 >>2575397 I have my bvm set to one brightness then the manual override buttons set to a different brightness (knobs) so i just push them in with the other console

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:03:33 2015 No.2575562 >>2573118 >The XRGB 3 is actually instant. Yeah, but from what I've heard, it is less compatible with any signal that isn't bog standard NTSC 59.97Hz.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 21:05:01 2015 No.2575563 >>2575539 This is kinda sensible anyway, as RGB is normally at 0.7Vpp where YPbPr uses 1Vpp, i believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:01:43 2015 No.2575684 File: 2.70 MB, 4608x3456, 480p-goodness.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >MFW I got a free PVM-20L5 and want to gloat about 480p goodness

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:12:35 2015 No.2575706
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>>2575539
You're doing it wrong. To get it right you need to calibrate it with some correct SMPTE color bars.
>>2575397
Why are you splitting?
If it's too bright, you need to CUT OFF the second input somehow, or else connect it to something else, maybe a ground or something. I noticed that on my PVM when I had 3 BNC connectors plugged into the outputs of my PVM, with nothing attached to the other side, the picture was too bright. Removing the BNC adapters or connecting the output lines to an external input fixed it. My bet is the splitter is terminating all lines whether they are in use or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:19:38 2015 No.2575724 File: 3.04 MB, 4608x3456, smpte-pvm-20l5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2575706 >>2575539 p.s. on my pvm

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:29:24 2015 No.2575748

>>2575684
Are you the PBS guy? If so, please stop banging on. You were annoying enough to begin with. Now you're making as ass out of yourself across the whole of /vr/

If that's not you, anon, my apologies. Tell us a story...

>>2575706
No, the lack of termination (with your BNC adapters on the outputs to open the auto-termination and nothing plugged into them) is what will make the picture over-bright. Termination will make things dimmer, though it's mostly to prevent signal reflectance in the line thus giving a cleaner picture.

TV systems use 75R terminators. Most PVMs will auto terminate. BVMs do not, and need external terminators.

So what he probably wants to do is terminate the extra input line, or whichever line it is in the pic he posted. Not sure about RCA terminators, but some RCA male to BNC female adaptors, and then some BNC 75R terminators, should do it.

Again, it's unusual for a system to want duplicate terminations. Must be due to the splitter amping shit up.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:40:57 2015 No.2575757

>>2575748
I have never worked there - but I am an old friend of a station engineer at one (we went to the same high school). He got rid of some stuff about four years ago; he called me up after work one day and offered me this, because he knew I liked the good monitors and he couldn't really recycle it cheaply. I drove over the next day and picked it up. :D

Only posted about four times here, and this is the first time about the PVM. so I doubt I'm the (apparently despised) 'PBS guy'. Apology accepted if I'm not :)

The terminators on the monitor that weren't connected to anything made it brighter because it was unnecessary termination. I used to think it'd make it darker, but ever since I've been certain it's the other way around and the termination merely sets the black level.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:53:26 2015 No.2575771

>>2575757
>The terminators on the monitor that weren't connected to anything made it brighter because it was unnecessary termination
Errr, no. Terminations, in this case, are a 75R resistor between the active video line and ground. From an engineering pov they make the line look infinitely long, and a line with no end leaves nothing for a signal to hit and bounce back from, so you don't get ghosting.

Adding those open BNC adapters does not terminate the line, it does the reverse and opens the termination already there on a PVM. A superfluous, second termination will just make the line dimmer.

You're *kind of* right about the black level, but it would be more correct to say that the set should be calibrated to the signal rather than saying the signal "sets" anything. That last is only kind of true if you have some sort of auto-calibration or set-up probe. They were certainly available, but most PVMs/BVMs didn't have the add-in cards for them.

The annoying guy was the volunteer. He's been posting pics of his 20L5 and his SFC mod, and telling the same two stories over and over. We get it, he's excited, and he wants to contribute, but his smugness and need for acknowledgement are overbearing. (If you read this, dude: we've heard the story, and it's cool. Now settle down, stop talking about yourself, and join the community already.)

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:59:44 2015 No.2575783

>>2575771
Sorry, to be clearer. Your BNC-RCA adapters are NOT terminators. Using them on the outputs of the PVM removes the termination already there.

If you did terminate a second time (somehow, because adding a terminator plug will open the auto-termination, replacing it with a new 75R resistor that does exactly the same thing) the image will only get dimmer, and you screw up the characteristic impedance, and get signal reflections again.

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:00:25 2015 No.2575785

>>2575771
I think this way because you can send an input through the 'output' jacks, if that makes sense to you. I dunno if it makes sense to me - just saying what I see. I've got a (very very old) oscilloscope, probably from the early 70's. Besides the CRT it is a solid state scope. If you want me to probe anything, I can do that, if it'd help. I know at the very least what sync signals look like.

Ah, I think I've seen him. He drilled holes in the back of his SNES for RGB out, right?

I was actually thinking of doing that myself. Yeah, he was kind of an (unintentional) dick, but I think it's a good idea.

>>2575783
just saw your update. Now that makes a little more sense, I guess, but how does it know the jacks are there if they aren't completing a connection somewhere?

Anonymous Wed Jul 29 23:10:40 2015 No.2575816

>>2575785
They're either an electronic detection circuit, or more likely the adaptors push the 75R termination out of the way. The removal of that resistor opens a previously-completed circuit subpath. It's not even detected, it just changes the analogue performance of the circuit.

The setup probes might or might not work like an oscilloscope. I doubt they'd have a screen. Either way I've never seen one. They work automatically though, you feed a signal into the set and tell the probe to calibrate and it does. That's what the menus seem to indicate.

Might even be some sort of external plug-in probe you set up in front of the screen, along with the internal card. I've never googled it. But there are ports labeled "probe" on some BVMs at least.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 30 03:10:45 2015 No.2576173

>>2575816
I meant something to check how the levels were changing on the output. I could connect my oscilloscope to a BNC plug.

My PVM doesn't have a 'setup probe'.

I do have an old regular oscilloscope and a NTSC vectorscope from around the same period (the 70's, but the NTSC one uses tubes!)

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 07:10:02 2015 No.2576372

I just svideo modded one of my MD2, and I got pretty visible jailbars. I don't know if it's because of MB3514 encoder, or because of MD2 traces.

My other svideo modded MD1 is clearer in comparison, but I also added a color fix circuit, and I can't do that with the 3514 until I get some 4pin oscillators.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 08:39:42 2015 No.2576451 >>2575706 >Why are you splitting? BVM & capture card

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:17:54 2015 No.2576494
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>>2569575
Me again, I'm going to demo the FW900 tomorrow. All I have to test it out is my laptop and a VGA cable. What should I use on my laptop to examine the monitor's PQ and everything else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:20:36 2015 No.2576789 >>2576451 you have an RGB capture card? Also, does the BVM not have output jacks like my PVM does?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:21:38 2015 No.2576790 >>2576494 is 'PQ' some abbreviation for "phosphor quality"? Either get a calibrator or learn to eyeball color bars.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 13:30:35 2015 No.2576807 >>2576790 PQ=Picture Quality

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:17:10 2015 No.2576953 >>2576807 Get/make a test suite style DVD, then - it'll need crosshatching, SMPTE color bars, maybe RGB bars, and so on. I'm bored so I think I'll re-make my test DVD from years ago and upload it. Just a minute while I get all my test sources together.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:44:44 2015 No.2576993 >>2576953 Alright, files together, authoring a DVD to test on my player now.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:50:57 2015 No.2577007
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Just got a 20L2MD for $150 an hour from me. Please tell me I did good? Its near mint and comes with the extra input card. Made in '04, 6 years after my banged up 14m2mdu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:53:21 2015 No.2577015 File: 970 KB, 1703x2271, because my ocd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577007 get your shit together m8.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:54:10 2015 No.2577017 File: 2.77 MB, 4128x3096, 20150728_103943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577015 Sorry, dunno why clover does this. Orientation is right on my end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:55:28 2015 No.2577021 >>2577007 I'd say you did a fine job - 600 lines and 20 inches. Does it do 480p? doesn't say in the pdf I found so I'm not sure if it does. Also, strip EXIF metadata and rotate manually next time. >>2577015 thank god.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 15:58:27 2015 No.2577030

>>2577021
Does not handle 480p sadly, but since the L5 models have been so sparkled in glory, the 20" is around $500, far out of my budget. It was bought mainly to play smash brothers melee on 480i component since the avermedia can only capture component signals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:04:14 2015 No.2577042 >>2577021 I should also mention he wanted $230 starting plus shipping.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:06:09 2015 No.2577045

>>2577030
Are there any besides the L5's and the PC monitors that can do 480p? I'm curious.
And for older games, 480i-only monitors still look fantastic - I had a PVM-1944Q for a while and it was also 600 lines, 480i only. I liked it a lot, but didn't have room for two 20 inchers so I gave it to a friend and kept the 20L5.

If I had only had the 1944Q, which appears to have somewhat similar specs to your monitor (though mine was made in '89 so it's a fair bit older), I would have still been thrilled with it for the 240p consoles. I think you did great.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:07:22 2015 No.2577046 >>2577042 $230 plus shipping? holy shit, lol. Driving to get them really is the best way. I did that too. >>2576494 >>2576807 Here's my test pattern DVD if you're interested: https://mega.co.nz/#!KoRCRbTR!6teo97JAIRM03qZfxNwb2NhNaZcOI7N__UMIpJpOv9g

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:08:59 2015 No.2577050 File: 2.83 MB, 4608x3456, pvm-1944q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577045 forgot pic. 20L5 on left. I apologize - I posted this already about a month ago. But I don't have the 1944Q anymore so I can't take fresh pics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:24:47 2015 No.2577079 >>2577046 Thank you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:29:32 2015 No.2577084 File: 168 KB, 1024x768, indianhead.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577079 no problem. I needed an excuse to add the 'indian head' and crosshatch patterns to my test DVD anyway. :D

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:29:43 2015 No.2577085

>>2576494
Check for convergence, burn-in, breathing. Maybe take Powerstrip too and try the scan rates you wish to use. Also do the contrast and black level check on http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php..
Laptop VGA is shitty usually, so if you see blur and ghosting you can probably blame the laptop.

Not sure if an FW900 is worth $400, but then I'm the trinitron hater here so I might be biased.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:30:56 2015 No.2577086 >>2577085 That's an LCD test. sorry to break it to you. And through proper use of color bars you can do a black level check, too, using the PLUGE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:32:04 2015 No.2577091 >>2577086 also, since this is a TV and not a PC monitor it'd be difficult to display those tests on a 480i CRT anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:36 2015 No.2577096 >>2577086 Actually, never mind. LCD test for black level should work alright. I'd always choose color bars though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:34:41 2015 No.2577097 >>2577086 >That's an LCD test Well duh. But that doesn't mean generic colour bars and black level tests don't apply to CRTs. >>2577091 >also, since this is a TV and not a PC monitor >FW900 uh, okay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:35:56 2015 No.2577102 >>2577097 yeah, deleted because I somehow read 'PVM' when he had a FW900. Sorry. My bad :p

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:10:25 2015 No.2577148 File: 3.33 MB, 4608x3456, IMG_3081.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My dad was an insurance agent so this hits home.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:43:39 2015 No.2577198
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Is other related A/V equipment ok? I was cleaning my parents' attic the other day, and found one of these (picture from google). Seems to turn on and off, so hopefully years in a hot Texas attic hasn't ruined it. There was yellow staining showing on a part, so I opened it up, but fortunately it appeared to be some sort of sealant/glue, not rat piss.

If all works well, I'm going to plug all my consoles into it and hook it up to my Samsung flatscreen CRT. All those component and s-video ports will be a life saver.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:47:24 2015 No.2577205

>>2577198
meh, I don't mind personally if we bring other AV into this. I have a yamaha receiver (too lazy to check exactly what model ATM), it has most of those inputs plus HDMI that I can't use because I have a PVM and don't want to convert everything. I love it though because I have some late 70's Jensen speakers that sound fantastic, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:48:25 2015 No.2577210 >>2577205 >looks back at what was written >though >though >though Redundancy yay!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:59:23 2015 No.2577229 I have a consumer CRT circa 2007 that keeps turning itself off around 5-10 seconds after power on. Any idea why this may be happening? I assume it could be a multitude of things, but who knows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:15:24 2015 No.2577257 >>2577229 do you hear a click when it turns off? if so, something is probably drawing too much amperage and is being turned off by a fuse or relay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:19:51 2015 No.2577265 >>2577229 see if you can find a service manual, then check the voltages from the power supply.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:21:46 2015 No.2577273

>>2577257
no, it's silent. There's an overlay near the bottom that flashes "no signal" a few times (even though the signal is clearly visible), then it happens. Which is odd since when "no signal" appears correctly, it's not a condition for turning the TV off.

>>2577265
It's RCA, I could try again but I can't find a manual on their website or elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 18:33:33 2015 No.2577293 >>2577045 There is actually, I saw a video of someone playing melee in 480p using a pvm-20m7mde

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu Jul 30 19:45:24 2015 No.2577390 >>2577293 That model seems to be a bit of a unicorn in that regard though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:28:15 2015 No.2577471 >>2576789 >>2576451 Yeah dude just use the outputs rather than splitting

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 20:37:36 2015 No.2577489 Thinking about getting this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171709029410?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT for my BVM 2010 since mine doesn't have a ntsc composite input

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:27:15 2015 No.2577605 >>2575857 I have one of these. Got it for like $15, nearly shat myself when I saw it. Also got a Sony test pattern generator (handheld) for a little more. Came with a fancy blue card used to calibrate monitors that have no "blue only" mode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:38:38 2015 No.2577632 File: 3.26 MB, 1602x1068, sf2svideocom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got around to making a mini DIN s-video to RCA luma chroma wire and hooked it up to my Commodore 1702.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 21:41:59 2015 No.2577639 File: 3.26 MB, 1602x1068, sf2svideocom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got around to making a S-video to Luma Chroma RCA wire and used it to hook SNES to my Commodore 1702.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:53:51 2015 No.2577858
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do you guys have any idea what's going on here? it's a model 2 sega genesis with an everdrive v2 running burning force with the latest firmware.

it's being displayed on my sony pvm 14q with an rgb scart cable with composite sync, and it has this overscan on the left side of the screen on every game. some games like burning force here have this weird white pixelation around the borders.

i've tried different sd cards, i tried cleaning out the contact points in the cart and the genesis, spraying some compressed air into all of the ports and cables, tried different roms, different regions, but nothing seems to work. it's only the model 2 genesis that does this.

any idea what i can do about this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:55:05 2015 No.2577861 File: 2.92 MB, 3264x1836, 20150730_234808.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577858 here's a rotated picture. god damn android can't even take pictures properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:59:19 2015 No.2577870 >>2577858 >>2577861 Not absolutely sure but I think this is normal, just make the screen bigger to get rid of it anon, nice picture btw. Also never get a NES because the overscan will torture you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:59:32 2015 No.2577871 Where can I get a good Genesis SCART cable with csync? Are the ones on eBay decent enough?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:08:42 2015 No.2577890

>>2577870
but it's only the sega genesis that does this. snes is fine, wii is fine, n64 is fine, ps1 is fine, game cube is fine, even the ps2 and nes work fine. they all work, but the genesis doesn't.

snes has an ever drive, all the consoles have the same scart cables from the same store, even the ps2 cable has composite video, and it works.

is it really normal for the sega genesis to look better emulated than on my high resolution sony trinitron in rgb?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:14:13 2015 No.2577901 >>2577871 just make sure it has a 'u' din plug and not a round one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:22:42 2015 No.2577916 >>2577858 >>2577861 The Genny used 256x224 for a lot of games, load up Sonic 2 in two-player mode, that'll display in 320x448, and see if that overscan goes away.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:22:42 2015 No.2577917 File: 1.53 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20150731_141737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2577890 Just started mine up. Normally looks like this

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:24:50 2015 No.2577921
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>>2577890
>>2577917
With overscan it looks exactly like what you're seeing. It's just trash at the edge of the screen which is normal in some games. That rubbish static amongst the UI is sloppy though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:27:13 2015 No.2577928 >>2577917 >>2577921 Also this is on a japanese model 1 btw

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:34:53 2015 No.2577940
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>>2577916
>>2577917
sonic does the same thing, both rev1 and rev0. both flashcart and actual cart. it's even got the garbled pixels on the ui too.

i got this genesis for 15 dollars, and my other one for free. did i just get 2 bad consoles? i've noticed some problems with slowdown and some problems with the connectors.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:37:29 2015 No.2577946

>>2577940
I'd have to check mine again, but I'm 99% sure that my Sonic 2 does the same thing. Probably just normal behavior.

I think the Genesis has similar garbled stuff at the bottom of the screen. You should just adjust the picture size until that (and those blue borders in your image) go away.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:39:01 2015 No.2577951 >>2577940 Nothing is wrong this is just the way it is. Change your underscan or deal with it. Stop stressing anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:39:40 2015 No.2577952 >>2577940 >>2577921 >>2577917 >>2577861 >>2577858 Most SEGA games on Genesis have the blue overscan. Some have it a different color.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:42:28 2015 No.2577958

>>2577858
>i've tried different sd cards, i tried cleaning out the contact points in the cart and the genesis, spraying some compressed air into all of the ports and cables, tried different roms, different regions, but nothing seems to work

Anon for fuck's sake they're just using raster tricks which change the border palette. Stop freaking out. It's like you never even played the damn console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 00:54:25 2015 No.2577980 >>2577958 Well, at least all his shit's clean now.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:32:12 2015 No.2578031

I have a CRT monitor for PC that can support 120hz. I know it can play games in 240p because I've tried it.

But the games have tearing, and I've read in some places I need to use black frame insertion to make it look right or I'll get some kind of frame blurring or something like that.

What kind of software setup do I need to be running to get games to scroll perfectly smooth without blurring?

My GPU is an nvidia quadro 4000.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:53:59 2015 No.2578072

>>2578031
emulated 60fps console game? then run your screen at 60hz too. if that hurts your eyes use 120hz and try to live with the slightly choppy motion.

black frame insertion is some lcd thing. don't bother with it. it'll only make your eyes bleed more.

in case of tearing, use vsync with triple buffering.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:00:26 2015 No.2578091 >>2578072 I can't run my screen at 60hz and 240p at the same time because it isn't within the timing range of the monitor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:03:27 2015 No.2578101 >>2578091 So just run 480p and insert scanlines. The end result is the same as 240p@120Hz plus BFI.

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Jul 31 02:03:52 2015 No.2578103
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>>2577940
>it's even got the garbled pixels on the ui too.
Sonic 2's 2 player mode is a bit taxing on the system, and the "garbled pixels" in the UI of the second player's screen is just overlap from what's naturally there from the first player's screen.
Monitor is set to underscan to show off the background bits and garbled graphics.

Camera battery dies after getting ~30 seconds of video, oh well.

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Jul 31 02:11:35 2015 No.2578117

>>2578072
>black frame insertion is some lcd thing. don't bother with it. it'll only make your eyes bleed more.
In the case of an LCD, it's there to simulate the flicker of a CRT for better motion. In this case, however, you're trying to get the monitor to run at the game's correct refresh rate while simultaneously doubling the horizontal refresh rate to make it compatible with a PC CRT. Done correctly, it'll essentially the same as just displaying the game at 60hz.

I believe some emulators actually have an option for BFI built into the, but it's not something I'm terribly well versed in.

>>2578101 is also an option. Optimally an ultra-wide 480p resolution for games with different/changing resolutions and possibly adding in a bit of horizontal blending.

>>2578103
Forgot to mention, that's a normal Sonic 2 cart on a Model 3.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:34:44 2015 No.2578142 >>2578101 No, it isn't. I think you should probably read more about this subject before offering advice again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:36:11 2015 No.2578145 >>2578117 >I believe some emulators actually have an option for BFI built into the, but it's not something I'm terribly well versed in. Groovymame has it, but I have an nvidia card so I will have to do more research.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:17:59 2015 No.2578191

>>2578142
I've read, and tried both methods. 240p@120Hz with BFI is more trouble than it's worth. The only programs I know of that support BFI are RetroArch and GroovyMAME (maybe a few other MAME forks do so as well), and at least in RetroArch, getting it to play nice with BFI can be a bitch. Even when I did manage to make it work, if the game happened to deviate ever so slightly from 60Hz (common with arcade games), or if I happened to drop a frame for whatever reason, the BFI effect would be noticeably disrupted. Haven't tried with GroovyMAME, but I'd imagine it still necessitates having to setup a bunch of unique modelines, and even then random frame drops would likely still be an issue. And fuck if I'm going to use MAME for anything other than arcade games.

480p with scanlines doesn't look appreciably different, and you get smooth motion right out of the box.You only ever need to mess with more modelines when dealing with weird-ass refresh rates in certain arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 03:19:36 2015 No.2578192 >>2578191 Oh, and yes, I know about the slightly lessened input latency with 240p@120Hz. Still not worth the hassle.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 09:18:21 2015 No.2578601

>>2577007
>>2577015
Surely those pics ore of a 14L2MD...? It looks too small to be 19/20" diagonal?

>>2577390
There are a few other references to it on the net, but it's rare as fuck, yeah.

>>2577489
That's an SDI board according to the seller's description? Does it also do NTSC or something?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 11:25:28 2015 No.2578774

>>2578191
>Even when I did manage to make it work, if the game happened to deviate ever so slightly from 60Hz (common with arcade games), or if I happened to drop a frame for whatever reason

That's probably because the video_refresh_rate setting was wrong. When using black frame insertion, you are supposed to set it at half the screen refresh rate (60.0 if using 120Hz screen refresh with BFI), at which the rate control should do its job and prevent dropped or doubled frames.

If you are still getting frame drops after doing that, then you're having some kind of external issue or performance issues with the core (Mednafen core will get frame drops when loading games by streaming from a hard drive, but caching the entire game into RAM or streaming from a solid state drive won't have issues.)

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 12:55:03 2015 No.2578943
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>>2578117
>Done correctly, it'll essentially the same as just displaying the game at 60hz.

Not quite. Normally at 60Hz a frame is drawn from top to bottom in about 16ms. At 120Hz with BFI, it takes only 8ms to draw the frame and then the screen goes black for 8ms. I'm not sure but I imagine it would make the flicker twice as bad.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 14:23:53 2015 No.2579072
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Hey /vr/ me again guy getting 20L2MD

I ended up getting it for $85 since someone broke on of the rings in the front and its missing a rack mount. I also brought the 240p test suite and it shows some color separation on the squares with dots on the left side that the piece was missing.

Is there a way to fix that in service menu or do I manually have to calibrate?

PS, gonna be playing mainly 480i component GameCube games on it so please let me know if its something that can easily be ignored.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 16:27:03 2015 No.2579304 Does anyone know how to get to the service menu of a Sanyo DS20425? I've read stuff like unplugging the TV and holding the volume down button on the TV or the mute button on the remote when plugging it back in again, but neither are working.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 18:36:04 2015 No.2579567

>>2578774
Yeah, I know all of that now.

One thing I quickly learned is that desktop composition must ABSOLUTELY be turned off on Windows 7. Having it on completely fucks with BFI. Which makes me wonder if it's even viable on Windows 8 and 10, where disabling it is not an option.

Anyway, I went ahead and re-tried 240p with BFI again after not having done it in a good while. Once again, it really doesn't look any better than 480p plus scanlines to me. Plus I can even have desktop composition on with fewer problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:22:01 2015 No.2579632 File: 2.14 MB, 3096x3445, 20150731_162010~01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2579072 Despite the off color tint in one color on just the test suite, this thing performs flawlessly

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 20:45:06 2015 No.2579762 >>2578943 Are you sure about that? I don't see any more flicker at 120Hz with BFI than with straight 60Hz on my CRT.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat Aug 1 01:15:59 2015 No.2580279
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>>2578943
I'd argue that all depends on how short the persistence on the given monitor's phosphors are. You have to remember, with a CRT it's not going to instantly blank out, you do have to wait for the previous frame to fade. That's an very short period of time, but still.

>>2579072
I'm pretty sure anything having to do with convergence on that model is going to require you to open it up to adjust.
If it's extremely localized to just one area and relatively minor, it may be better to just leave it as it is, because it fixing it there may end up throwing it off on other areas of the screen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 06:52:23 2015 No.2580765 File: 48 KB, 425x567, boremote.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2579304 I found this, try this http://tantht.blogspotdotcomdotau/2011/03/television-service-menu-codes.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 06:54:10 2015 No.2580768 >>2579632 Check colour temp in settings anon you might be able to fix that there/ what version of Gradius is that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 10:51:38 2015 No.2581076 hey guys i havent used a CRT screen with my PC in years and i wanted to buy one should i buy a CRT computer screen or a CRT TV ? I saw some guy selling 4 PC CRTs for 5€ each

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 11:56:42 2015 No.2581207 >>2580768 Gradius V for the PlayStation 2 on 480i component I did end up switching stuff around, the whites looked a little too eggshell/cream for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 13:13:08 2015 No.2581369 >>2580279 Yeah I was thinking the same thing, because its all relative, better keep it to one little corner of the screen. Even though its perfectly usable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 13:57:00 2015 No.2581432 >>2581076 What do you intend to use it for? I wouldn't recommend a tv for pc use, in any case.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 14:23:44 2015 No.2581493 File: 1.52 MB, 2546x1734, PicsArt_1438453342853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fully lit room and taken with a camera phone, still came out pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 14:25:47 2015 No.2581497 >>2581493 I realized today that I got that tv when I was fourteen. I paid seven hundred dollars for it... I've been playing retro games on it for half my life. Time flies...

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 14:27:09 2015 No.2581501 >>2581207 Gradius V can run at 480p too, though. Or is the PS2 unable to output that?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sat Aug 1 14:44:31 2015 No.2581545 >>2581501 The PS2 can output 480p fine, but that monitor wouldn't be able to display it properly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 20:34:08 2015 No.2582227 >>2571343 measuring overscan if I didn't know better

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 21:02:45 2015 No.2582279
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Hey /vr/, I got this Philips TV for free from my uncle. It's been almost 10 years since I've last used a CRT... Feels good.
How does it look? The picture quality isn't the best as I took it with my 150€ phone. It's outputting at 640x240 through an RGB SCART cable. I'm using Retroarch on my Wii cause it's the only thing I have at the moment.
I'd take an actual gameplay picture but I'm too tired to bother and I'm going to bed after posting this.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:10:36 2015 No.2582391

>>2581432
its not a TV.. i mean a computer screen
i beg you pardon, english is not my native language
heres a pic for reference
i hope the guy lets me try them with a laptop. i want to buy the best 2 of them.

what should i be looking for when i try them ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:11:40 2015 No.2582394 File: 452 KB, 635x469, crt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582391 forgot the pic :( i want to use them for emulation and hope to benefit for the low display lag in other games too !!

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:34:09 2015 No.2582431 Hi /crt/, I want a monitor that accepts VGA from a Dreamcast and supports 480p from 6th gen consoles. Does such a thing exist?

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:42:28 2015 No.2582451

Sup crt thread.

I'm kind of in a strange spot. I'm going to renovate my game room, and all my consoles are hooked up to my current TV (NES-Wii-U, PS1-4, OG Xbox, Sega CDX), and even with my splitter, I'm running out of inputs.

I've also started to notice a bit of lag while playing action games on older consoles on my HDTV. I'm thinking about picking up another TV as my dedicated retro TV.

How do you guys do your setup? Do you have your HD and CRT's side by side?

I'd also like recommendations for TV's. I've been browsing craigslist and looking for a fairly small one, but most people are trying to move huge ass CRT's and I don't want a massive one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:44:36 2015 No.2582457 >>2582451 Get a modern (i.e. 2000+) Sony Trinitron. Make sure it has S-video and component inputs. I have mine in the same room as my HDTV, but your mileage may vary.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:46:55 2015 No.2582460

>>2582451
Dual TV set ups are tough since you can't get great viewing angles usually.

Most of what you see on Craigslist are the huge TVs because they weigh so damn much and are such a hassle to get rid of.

Personally I don't see the point of getting a CRT if your HDTV is laggy. Get a new nonshit HDTV and scaler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:50:00 2015 No.2582464 >>2582460 >just buy a brand new TV and an additional $200 scaler! >that's way more convenient than buying a CRT for $10 and finding a spare 3 square feet of space in your house!

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:54:32 2015 No.2582469

>>2582464
What is convenient about buying a CRT? The things are fucking monsters and require constant adjustment if you actually want a nice picture. That's assuming the the thing doesn't need maintenance/repair.

Not saying scalers are cheap. Realistically you're spending well over $400 for a scaler along with the cables needed for multiple consoles.

The guy already said his TV is crap. That'll effect the non retro 6thgen and later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:57:08 2015 No.2582473 >>2582394 without model numbers and specs it's kinda hard to tell if they're any good. the two on the left look more "professional" to me but that doesn't have to mean anything

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:00:12 2015 No.2582483

>>2582469

>What is convenient about buying a CRT?

>drive to thrift store
>pick one with the best picture
>stick it in your car and drive home
>play video games

I can easily lift my CRT myself, and I haven't had to adjust or repair it once. Stop exaggerating.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:03:15 2015 No.2582485

>>2582469

>The things are fucking monsters and require constant adjustment if you actually want a nice picture.

>The things are fucking monsters
What are you talking about? I'm have 14" and a 20" PVM, as well as a 27" Beovision. How did I get them? I set up some ebay alerts and check my local classifieds ever few days for a while.

The PVMs were easy to carry inside my house, I had some help with the Beovision to get it upstairs but moving it around inside is no drama.

>Require constant adjustment if you actually want a nice picture.
Ran them all through the 240p suite once when I got them, now a couple of years later they still maintain calibration fine. If It turns out i'l have to re-calibrate every 3-5 years or whatever... fine, its not constant though.

the XRGB Mini is great, but it still requires setting up profiles etc. If you have the chance to get a CRT and the space for it its certainly going to be cheaper and very little hassle for better PQ anyway.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:05:38 2015 No.2582491

>>2582483
>I can easily lift my CRT myself
Sub 27" CRTs sure.
>and I haven't had to adjust or repair it once. Stop exaggerating.
Then without a doubt it's improperly adjusted.
You can get a general setting but with the different overscan of consoles it's not going to be perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:07:18 2015 No.2582494 >>2582491 >Sub 27" CRTs sure. Yup. Why would I need anything bigger? >it's not going to be perfect. Doesn't have to be perfect, just good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:08:08 2015 No.2582496 >>2582485 Tiny CRTs like that are really pointless if you ask me. They have to very close. Making positioning that much harder if you want it next to a HDTV. See me other comment about overscan.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:13:25 2015 No.2582505

>>2582494
Well maybe that's good for you. I used to mess with the CRT shit for a long time. Monster 32" Trinitrons. That's a S at the end of that. Nice and all but a 50" HDTV is equivalent to a 40" CRT with the 4:3 aspect.

I can understand not wanting them anymore. And I can understand still wanting them. Be realistic though. They need overscan correction.

The guy seems to want to play modern stuff so personally I think he'd be better off to get a new TV that he's happy with.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:15:09 2015 No.2582508
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>>2582496
I said I have a 14", 20" and 27" but ok.

The 27" inch sits next to my 42" HDTV and has almost identical vertical height making positioning it easy.

The 14" sits on my desk and is perfect for that, see picture.

The 20" is stored away because I have no use for it at present but its a nice backup.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:18:55 2015 No.2582515 >>2582505 My TV is 55' LED. Its pretty fucking new, I just notice the lag a little bit on certain games and figured a smallish CRT would be a nice little addition, as well as spacing out my consoles.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat Aug 1 23:21:32 2015 No.2582523

>>2582394
Bottom left looks like a Sony with the styling of maybe the Multiscan 400PS/500PS. Bottom right has the looks of a Dell, possibly an M783.

>>2582496
13 and 14'' models are admittedly some what stuck for desk duty, but 20'' sets are fine for even 6 or so feet back.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:23:26 2015 No.2582526

>>2582515
I think it's going to be tough having a CRT next to a 55" and still have a good viewing angle.
>>2582508
I assume you're European? Not American I'm guessing.
In America almost all HDTV are 50" now. The smaller models don't really make it here except for the budget ones. You would need a massive CRT to match that or a 27" with a stand.

27" CRT is close to a 30 something inch HDTV in height. Going by screen size.

The spacing is going to be wide with 2 TVs like that. Doable but I'd want a really wide couch or two chairs.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:26:50 2015 No.2582530

>>2582526

Dude, we're not talking about sticking both TV's side-by-side. My CRT is off in the corner with its own chair. When I have buddies over and we want to play retro, we just move over there. It's not a big deal. You keep insisting that the only way to do this is to have both TV's withing viewing distance of the same couch, but that's just not how it has to go.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:29:15 2015 No.2582534 >>2582530 Well I don't know what your set up is. Good be some mud hole with milk crates for seats for all I know. Personally I can't really move my viewing angle without moving all my furniture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:30:50 2015 No.2582537 >>2582534 That's exactly my point. You're being inflexible. There are many ways to implement a CRT in your home.

Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:33:44 2015 No.2582543

>>2582537
And this guy is talking about adding in a CRT to an already existing HDTV set up. That's not exactly easy.
You could just throw the shit in the corner and twist your neck to view it. Why you'd do that after committing to using a CRT I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:35:06 2015 No.2582546 >>2582543 >You could just throw the shit in the corner and twist your neck to view it. No...dude. Just get another chair. Oh, I get it. I'm being trolled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:35:54 2015 No.2582548 >>2582543 I'm renovating, which means the setup is entirely up in the air at this point. Hell I could stick a CRT on my desk next to my PC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:38:16 2015 No.2582552 >>2582546 Ya let me just drop about $1500 on another fucking chair. I doubt many have that kind of cash nor the room to just be buying chairs. Why even say I'm trolling?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:40:52 2015 No.2582560 File: 82 KB, 969x545, 66.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582552

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:43:13 2015 No.2582563 >>2582560 Nice reaction image, champ. >>2582548 Well I'd figure out how big a CRT you want or how big you can go and then figure out the room organization from there. Trinitrons are generally what you want to go for. KV models etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:44:52 2015 No.2582565 Is a 32" CRT too big? Is screendoor a problem if I'm, say, 10' away?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:47:18 2015 No.2582570 >>2582565 They weigh about 160lbs and all the weight is in the front. Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:48:56 2015 No.2582574 >>2582570 I'm not concerned with moving it around; just how it looks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 23:52:15 2015 No.2582580 >>2582574 Oh I thought you meant carrying it through a screen door... The Sonys don't really have a screen door effect. Depends on the model. Larger CRTs have some issues with geometry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:14:39 2015 No.2582615 Screen door effect! Thanks for teaching me a new word guys. This thing is the reason why I dislike trinitron screens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:16:46 2015 No.2582623 >>2582615 Fuck, is this a common thing on Trinitron? The 32" I was talking about is a Trinitron KV-32FS100

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:20:54 2015 No.2582629
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>>2582623
>>2582615
Screen door effect is usually something to describe PC CRT monitors and plasmas.
Trinitron TVs don't rally have a screen door effect. They have the horizontal scanlines.
If you put your face right up to the screen you can see the phosphor colors from the shadow mask.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:25:01 2015 No.2582637 File: 106 KB, 640x480, FxG123Ml.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582623 >>2582615 This is what screen door effect is. This is a plasma. You need to see it in person to really get an idea but the name accurately describes it,

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:28:00 2015 No.2582641 >>2582623 >>2582629 Yeah at 10ft it's probably not an issue. In PC monitors it is, especially on solid colours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:55:33 2015 No.2582690 >>2582629 >>2582637 >>2582641 Thanks for the help, /CRT/

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 00:57:18 2015 No.2582694 File: 827 KB, 2048x1536, IMG_8307x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck I'm trying to find a good example pic of this "screen door" thing on a trinitron but apparently my harddrive is a complete mess. pic unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:23:38 2015 No.2582720 File: 982 KB, 1844x1383, IMG_0028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trinitrons are godly, ain't no screen doors

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 01:54:13 2015 No.2582741 File: 993 KB, 2048x2047, IMG_7877x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582720 Perfect example there. Now compare with shadow mask.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:20:33 2015 No.2582764 How much is a sony PVM-1344Q worth?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:39:47 2015 No.2582780 >>2582764 depends on where you live

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:44:36 2015 No.2582789 >>2582780 $75 + 15 minutes away.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 02:55:39 2015 No.2582797

I use this for all my gaming, but it is unrelated to actually playing the games

my 4 year old asus 236 which I play most of my games on, has a grey blob in the middle of the screen, which distorts color. is it a bunch of dead pixels in the middle of my screen? when I press down on it the blob seems to clear up

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:26:34 2015 No.2582821 >>2582720 >>2582741 Cherry picking: the feature film

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:32:20 2015 No.2582824

Hey does anyone use PVMs to watch old anime or cartoons?

I was about to playback some ed edd n eddy on my raspberry pi since its the only "computer" with composite out. But as i was using it, it blew something because it wont boot.

Just curious if anyone tried.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 03:37:39 2015 No.2582827 File: 1.03 MB, 3280x2460, 101_9466.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582824 That's just silly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:38:05 2015 No.2582828 >>2582824 I watch anything that's SD on my PVM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:39:13 2015 No.2582829 >>2582824 Modern stuff no. But now with the BluRay rereleases it's not really worth it much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 03:42:59 2015 No.2582830 >>2582827 >>2582829 Stuff like megas XLR, ed edd n eddy, johnny bravo, american stuff that never got good re-releases. some had good itunes releases though >>2582828 how do you do so?

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 03:57:25 2015 No.2582836
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>>2582830
I assumed my picture would get the idea across that I was joking.

I'd like to get my PC to output to it properly eventually, but the Wii "technically" works for a very small amount of stuff, but is extremely hit or miss. A PS3 and a set of component cables will give you quite a nice 480i image and streaming video to them is incredibly easy to set up if you don't feel like physically moving the video to it's HDD. I'd assume it would have an equally good picture over RGB if your PVM doesn't accept component.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:05:37 2015 No.2582842 >>2582836 well, since my pi is broken, and I dont have a ps3, i guess my only other choice is my wii on component.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:06:09 2015 No.2582843 >>2582836 I know my PS2 (dunno about PS3) only plays DVDs via RGB with a bad green tint over the image. From what I recall reading it was some sort of anti piracy measure.

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 04:16:48 2015 No.2582850

>>2582843
>I know my PS2 (dunno about PS3) only plays DVDs via RGB with a bad green tint over the image. From what I recall reading it was some sort of anti piracy measure.
That's because it isn't outputting in RGB, rather component. Component being fed to something expecting RGB results in a very heavily green tinted image.

See
>>2573398
>>2573480

>>2582842
It is heavily dependent on the encoding used for a given file, and possibly the length as well. DivX shouldn't have any problems running, but h.264 can and will give you trouble.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:24:17 2015 No.2582859 >>2582850 It works fine for games in RGB with the console in RGB mode. Only DVDs have the issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:27:43 2015 No.2582861 >>2582859 That also happens with the PS3, Sony didn't tolerate the use of RGBs on DVD video for some strange reason. If you mod your console you can force RGBs everywhere.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 04:28:54 2015 No.2582863 >>2582859 I'm aware. The PS2 will NOT display DVD video over RGB, only component. The system is still outputting composite video at the same time as component, so an RGB capable TV/Monitor would see it as a normal RGBS signal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:30:19 2015 No.2582865 >>2582830 >how do you do so? DVD player.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:32:22 2015 No.2582869 >>2582863 Ahh, OK. Thanks. Really irritating since my RGB monitor doesn't take component.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:40:41 2015 No.2582881 >>2582869 Just use some FMCB every time you want to watch DVD movies in RGB.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 04:48:27 2015 No.2582883 >>2582881 Does FMCB actually let you get around that? I thought it was something hardwired into the system that you couldn't just change with a simple software trick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 04:53:45 2015 No.2582887 >>2582883 Yes, looks like they actually intended to softlock any RGBs output for DVDs. The fact that you can't even watch movies you rent from the PS3 system in RGBs says a lot. It doesn't even make sense from an anti-piracy standpoint.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 05:25:42 2015 No.2582909 File: 1.04 MB, 1882x1064, IMAG0278.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582824 >Hey does anyone use PVMs to watch old anime or cartoons? Amongst other things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 07:21:40 2015 No.2582982 >>2582824 I use my 15khz consumer Trinitron with RGB SCART to watch anything on my PC via VGASCART.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 07:50:54 2015 No.2583000

>>2582824
>tfw you made me ebay some of my favorite things on VHS
>tfw you can get shit like Ghostbusters for like 5 bucks
>Macross Plus for like 5 bucks a vid

People are selling La Blue Girl boxed sets... Jesus christ.

I remember when my friend got his dad to rent it for us. The stars fucking aligned. Obviously miss placed in the anime rack, he told us to wait in the car since it was busy as fuck, and the teenager at the register isn't going to question a gruff looking factory worker renting anime porn.

Holy fuck it was amazing. I kinda wanna get a CRT with a built in VCR and get some old tapes now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 07:55:29 2015 No.2583005 >>2582720 Nice shot

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:10:24 2015 No.2583020 Where the fuck do I get a smallerish CRT? Everyone on craigslist is giving away monsters (30"+) and while it would be cool, I just want a smaller one I can game with at my desk.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:45:36 2015 No.2583045 >>2582394 Delicious.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:45:51 2015 No.2583046

I tried to read the thread briefly to check but you guys are yelling about this arcadeVGA thing and hell idk.

Basically though, is it possible + not a giant hassle (nigga I ain't buying a new video card, tho I can shell out $50 on a powered converter) to hook up my PVM to my computer?

I wanna run some newer games with dose scanlines/response times (not looking for mame emulation or anything) but I can't get my hands on a crt monitor, so this would be the next best thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 08:54:45 2015 No.2583051 >>2583020 >I can game with >game stop

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 09:21:32 2015 No.2583069

>>2583046
Running new games on CRT's can be a little.. weird. LCD is waaaay nicer for reading web pages, surfing, and playing a lot of modern 2d games. Twitch shooters like battlefield can really benefit from the faster response, higher contrast and smoother motion of CRTs, though i'm not sure about anything else.

Personally I wouldn't bother trying on a PVM, they're just not high enough resolution. Even the later 16:9 multiformat BVMs aren't going to be as nice as a reasonable PC CRT, because they're not designed with that use in mind and can't scan higher than 720p/45kHz.

I certainly wouldn't bother trying to connect the PVM even for retro unless I was going to spend $50 on a new video card. (Nigga)

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 09:36:08 2015 No.2583089 >>2583069 :( Was looking to play stuff like spelunky with scanlines, and use Dolphin to play melee with better response times, get all the benefits I can for Netplay. Ah oh well, I guess I'll keep looking for a monitor and some desk space or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 09:41:50 2015 No.2583094 >>2583089 >with scanlines That's not what you trouble CRTs for anyway.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 10:37:19 2015 No.2583152
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>>2582824
I want to but I have nothing to watch with. The Wii is terrible for media playback.

Is the Fatbox good for playing media? I mean, it has XBMC how bad can it be?

>mfw watching Victory Gundam on my CRT VGA monitor

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 10:44:30 2015 No.2583167 >>2583094 Not sure what your implying? But my interest in CRT's stems from scanlines (makes pixel art so nice)/picture quality/response times, and fiddling with the tech side is always fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 10:47:08 2015 No.2583171 >>2583167 >(makes pixel art so nice) This is what I'm talking about, placebo effect. You got a point about the rest, although you could elaborate on what picture quality is.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 10:54:05 2015 No.2583178

>>2583171
Mostly colour quality. I don't know if it's a CRT thing in general, but when I grabbed my first one, it shat on all the LCD tv's I had.
Also I don't really think it's a placebo effect at all.. there's a noticable difference between playing something on an LCD and CRT. The scanlines add a lot to it.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 11:12:15 2015 No.2583207

>>2583178
Yeah, CRTs do actually feature more colors than LCD, that has to do with the technology in use.

However the difference you're seeing is probably due to the the image not being upscaled to hell and analogically interpolated through the whole mask/grille so pixels are less noticeable (unless you're using a professional monitor, but I can't stand those).

Scanlines are just an artifact of the SD cathode technology, I fail to see how they would make the image better. I'm a fan for really subtle scan lines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:00:20 2015 No.2583424 File: 1.04 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_6908-x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2582741 okay, guess I'll have to repost this again

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:25:13 2015 No.2583457 >>2583424 Cherry: the pick Nice tri-dot, fagget. I'll never get this blind hate for shadow masks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:27:03 2015 No.2583460 File: 355 KB, 1370x1000, IMG_1748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chinese cartoons on my ikegami

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 14:29:30 2015 No.2583462 File: 841 KB, 3280x2460, 102_0195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2583457 Shadow masks are pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:32:43 2015 No.2583468 >>2583462 That's an aperture grill though, you can clearly see the strips. But hey, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:34:02 2015 No.2583471 oops, >>2583424 was directed to >>2582821

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 14:37:43 2015 No.2583479 File: 988 KB, 3280x2460, 101_8168.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2583468 >That's an aperture grill though, you can clearly see the strips I beg to differ.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:39:00 2015 No.2583481 File: 718 KB, 2048x1071, ball_comparison.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] let's repost more shadowy masks vs lcd shit >>2583468 slot masks are often called shadow masks too for some reason. it's true, technically, but confusing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:42:48 2015 No.2583485 File: 862 KB, 2048x1536, IMG_8355x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:43:15 2015 No.2583486 >>2583479 Yeah nah, peace and all, but those are definitely two different sets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:49:31 2015 No.2583492 File: 1.28 MB, 2048x1536, IMG_8059x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 14:49:51 2015 No.2583495 >>2583481 I find really funny that the image of the left is precisely what you get on a professional BVM, sans line doubling and scan lines. While the right actually succeeds in rounding the square. Fucking wizardry.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 14:56:12 2015 No.2583505 File: 3.97 MB, 6560x2460, 102_0159 + 60.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2583486 Whatever you say man. It's the same monitor, the only difference between the two shots is on is displaying 240p and the other is 480p.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:00:41 2015 No.2583514 >>2583505 Ok, I guess that makes me the faggot now. Sorry, it's all good. That's no common SM though.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:02:33 2015 No.2583516
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>>2583495
What's weird is that on most (even period correct) shadow masks it doesn't look like that at all. Only this particular 14" with this obscene dot pitch (0.39mm) makes 320x200 look smooth like that. Makes me wonder if these vga games were designed on exceptionally crummy monitors.

pic related is 21" with 0.20mm, the other extreme end of the spectrum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:07:31 2015 No.2583526 File: 247 KB, 1000x768, IMG_1818.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] XM37

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:11:03 2015 No.2583528 >>2583516 Aren't you supposed to line double VGA games though?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:15:33 2015 No.2583537 >>2583528 Look closely, it is line-doubled. But you'll still get scanlines if the dots are small enough.

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 2 15:16:28 2015 No.2583540
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>>2583514
It's definitely not the dot-triad you see on PC CRTs. Rather a slot mask, more similar to the style used on televisions.
XC-3730c "Mitsubishi Megaview Pro 37", could be considered cousins with >>2583526

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:17:07 2015 No.2583543 >>2583537 You're right, I need a rest. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 15:22:41 2015 No.2583552 File: 729 KB, 2048x1536, IMG_9134y.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2583543 Still, I wouldn't say it looks bad when viewed from a distance. But it's not nearly as smooth as 0.39mm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:19:56 2015 No.2583654 http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ele/5113374930.html Would you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:22:13 2015 No.2583661 >>2583654 With those connections? No way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 16:52:22 2015 No.2583707 >>2583089 >>2583046 >nigga I ain't buying a new video card, tho >melee Well this CRT thread needs a delete.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:32:47 2015 No.2584016 File: 2.09 MB, 3096x3159, 20150802_163108~01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Turns out the pi is ok!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:34:30 2015 No.2584021 >>2584016 >pi >not utter shit garbage. Pick one and only one.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:35:13 2015 No.2584026

>>2583707
I've been in and out of this thread for the last two months, left for a fortnight and suddenly there's a few people who seem really pretentious, criticizing people over stupid stuff or seeming unnecessarily hostile, albeit I've only skimmed the thread to catch up, but it's caught my eye already.

People wanting to use their CRT's for Melee was fairly common (considering the low posts and all) and nobody complained about it's brief discussion last time I was here, I don't know why you'd care about what someone wants to do with their CRT anyway.

Thread was really nice and helpful last time I was here, seems like there's some people now who're argumentative or hostile for no reason, at least compared to before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:35:58 2015 No.2584029 >>2584026 summer

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:39:04 2015 No.2584036 >>2584029 >>2584026 Shit isn't retro and it's nothing but pretentious garbage when it comes to melee shit. And now we got some guy with Cartoon network shit from the 2000s.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:43:00 2015 No.2584047 >>2584029 Ah, how could I forget.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 19:48:06 2015 No.2584057 >>2584021 I had a micro controller laying around that happened to have composite out. it was a gift, now go sit in the corner.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 21:00:50 2015 No.2584224 >>2582473 >>2582523 i think i've seen very similar models to top-right and bottom-left before i can try asking the guy on whatsapp but hes selling for so cheap i feel a bit bad about wasting his time >>2583045 thanks ! . .

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:33:03 2015 No.2584453

>>2584036
Non-retro discussion is to a degree permitted here so long as it pertains to CRTs.

Melee being pretentious is not an unmixed disaster either, IMO. I like running across CRTs in the wild, and more ppl using them is a good thing. Same goes for the anime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 22:46:00 2015 No.2584484 >>2584453 Talking about CRTs from the 2000s is already pushing it. Talking about modern games on CRTs just not.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:08:44 2015 No.2584537
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Do you think its likely you can find a TV like this?

I really like the oldschool style.
I'd really like to get one, but they seem rare as fuck. I used to have one similar to this as a kid.

Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:38:02 2015 No.2584583
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>>2584537
I saw one of those in a local thrift shop last month.

...right next to a huge wooden all-vacuum-tube TV, one of those 1940-1950's things with a nearly round screen.
Kinda regret not taking it now, then again I wouldn't know where to put it or what to do with it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 2 23:54:59 2015 No.2584618 >>2584484 But he is allowed to describe the use he puts any CRT to, otherwise we can't advise him. He's not talking about the game itself.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:13:29 2015 No.2584768

>>2584484
>Talking about CRTs from the 2000s is already pushing it.
Crt's themselves are an old technology these days, you're not going to find "modern CRT General" on /vg/. It seems stupid to be against 'modern' CRT's, when this thread is "CRT General", not "early-mid generation CRT General"

It just seems stupid to me to marginalize some CRT's when they have nowhere else to go, and this thread is all about enjoying, advising and asking about CRT's as a whole.

I feel like this post is a mess but oh well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:15:37 2015 No.2584771 >>2584768 It's a video game board. Not a technology board. It's only relevant because of how CRTs and video games are linked.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:21:33 2015 No.2584787

>>2584771
So? Why be so adamant about keeping it niche?
/vr/ isn't a big board and this isn't a big thread, and talking about newer CRT's isn't going to lower the value of the thread by any means.

Obviously we don't expect people to be posting about playing their xbox360 games on their PVM, but if they are, it's barely off topic at all.

Like chill out son, be inclusive. People playing games other than Super Mario on the NES isn't a big deal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:23:52 2015 No.2584792 >>2584787 Because it's just an excuse to talk about non retro shit? Sure as shit doesn't make sense that playing a xbox 360 on a PVM is allowed when talking about XRGBs isn't.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:48:31 2015 No.2584861

>>2584792
>...playing a xbox 360 on a PVM is allowed when talking about XRGBs isn't.
Not the anon you're talking to, but lol. There's a big difference there. One is directly CRT related, one is related to imitating CRTs. One level removed, so to speak.

We do sort of allow scaler discussion here too tho, btw. It just bores most of us and thus we jump on it a lot faster than non-retro-but-directly-CRT-related material.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 01:51:30 2015 No.2584870 >>2584861 XRGB don't really mimic CRTs. Some have a scanline option though. The past 4 xrgb threads I made were deleted by the Janitor. Which is bs since XRGBs are meant directly for retro consoles.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Aug 3 02:09:31 2015 No.2584897
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>>2584224
No matter how cheap they are, you're still paying real money for something so you should have the chance to make an informed decision.

Hell, I didn't see anything wrong with asking at least one or two questions about the free Megaview. Don't go scrutinizing every little thing about them, but at least know what you're buying.

>>2584537
Yard sales or possibly flea markets might be a good place to look. I doubt that thrift stores still taking CRTs are going to put out such old models on display; Not impossible, just unlikely.

>>2584016
Nice. What model PVM?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:12:56 2015 No.2584898 File: 79 KB, 1280x720, 1426895451829.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hi /vr/. what do you guys think about those free, possibly shitty crtv's on craigslist? I was thinking I might get one soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:17:38 2015 No.2584907 >>2584898 keep an eye out for trinis with s-video I guess but there are a lot of free tvs.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Aug 3 02:20:43 2015 No.2584915
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>>2584898
I think it's a fine idea. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's bad.

This is on mine. The second Dimensia to show up(the first was a year and a half ago and in much worse shape). With how nice of condition it's in, I'm half tempted to pick it up and see if I can't modify it to support proper RGB input over its EIA Multiport rather than just composite.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:33:56 2015 No.2584931

>>2584870
Yeah, that kinda blows. I can't see why there isn't a place for scaler discussion, given it's going to be /vr/ related. Maybe that place is here, but like i said, we seem to get bored by it pretty fast :)

*Were* the XRGB's designed with gaming in mind? I thought they were simply content scalers, and the fact they work with consoles, let alone 240p consoles, was kinda incidental.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:47:27 2015 No.2584947 >>2584931 Micomsoft has always been gaming mainly. The orginal XRGB and the XRGB are meant to be used with PC Monitor CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 02:49:30 2015 No.2584949 >>2584947 xrgb 3*

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 03:41:15 2015 No.2585004 >>2584915 Do it Kya, that looks gorgeous and the Dimensia is one of our holy grail crts

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 04:16:58 2015 No.2585032 >>2584915 That thing is bad-fucking-ass looking and one of the last few actual RCA TV sets. There aren't many left around so you should jump on it if it's possible

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Aug 3 04:22:17 2015 No.2585036
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>>2585004
I agree that it looks great, but not only is there nowhere I could decently put it, but I'm sure I would never hear the end of not only getting another CRT but the entertainment center that goes with it.

As one of the later models, I wonder how the comb filter on it is.

>>2585032
If I had my own place or at the very least didn't need to haul it up tight stair-cases to the third floor, I'd love to get it.
Here's the link if you'd like to check out the other photos, mainly just other vanity shots and a few of the back.
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/app/5145488177.html

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 04:37:12 2015 No.2585048

>>2585036
The entertainment center is what really sets it apart, if I remember right the Dimensia had like a dozen different attachments that went in/on top of it

But yeah, space is always a problem. Do you still have the Megaview sitting in the middle of your room? You gotta get your own house dawg, I've got 4 Trinis here in the master bedroom, the old Wega in the guest room, the Toshi HDCRT in the living room, and another 5 crts in the garage.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Aug 3 05:03:26 2015 No.2585078

>>2585048
>Do you still have the Megaview sitting in the middle of your room?
It only stayed in my bedroom for maybe a day or so, it's been in the attic for nearly a year now. It's sitting somewhat in the middle of that room, but there's not really a much better place to put it at the moment, and I'm the only person that actually goes up there anyway.

>You gotta get your own house dawg
Believe me, I really wish I could. If only for peace of mind, ignoring the ability to tile the walls with various CRTs and CRT paraphernalia.
Even getting a small as apartment is out of the question on the meager part time, minimum wage bullshit I call a job. Attempts have been made to move to something else and have failed before they even started, so I'm stuck.
/blog

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 05:56:37 2015 No.2585110 >>2585078 Your sitch will change sooner or later kya, I believe in you holmes

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 07:05:01 2015 No.2585159 >>2584897 this is the 20L2MD on composite via my pi. I've been wanting an 800 line model for a while, but i managed to get this one in good condition for $80. I'm very happy with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 20:44:37 2015 No.2586680 >>2584947 I'm actually considering getting an XRGB3 to display my actual consoles on PC CRTs Is this a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 20:47:31 2015 No.2586687 >>2586680 It's the best line doubler out there. Pretty great scaler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 21:22:59 2015 No.2586761 http://nashville.craigslist.org/pho/5130687238.html Worth driving an hour to pick up?

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:24:54 2015 No.2587027

>>2586680
Well in terms of PQ, its a great idea. Things will look excellent.

In some regards it is defeating the purpose of the scaler though, in that you're still saddled with a bulky CRT and the lag the scaler will produce.

But given that PC CRTs are so easy to come by, its not a bad solution if you have the space and want the PQ benefits of a CRT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:26:59 2015 No.2587032 >>2586761 Seems to support RGB so for that price, yeh, I'd make the journey.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:34:40 2015 No.2587050 >>2587027 Use it as a line doubler. Scalers were originally made for CRTs.

Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:35:19 2015 No.2587051

So /CRT/ I have a general question
I just moved and I want to make use of my computer monitor outside of just using my shitty rig, and I was wondering if any of these cheap s-video/composite to VGA adapters are worth a shit?
I already have a crt tv in another part of the house but I like the idea of having one of my extra N64s/PS1s on my desk to occasionally play since I won't be finding a small monitor/tv anytime soon

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:37:46 2015 No.2587056 >>2587051 They'll be 15khz so probably not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:43:16 2015 No.2587062 >>2587056 actually they seem to be 60/75khz with a little variety of other options but I figure people might have some experience with them

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 3 23:45:08 2015 No.2587063 >>2587062 Not sure what you mean. VGA is 31khz

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:02:53 2015 No.2587096 >>2587027 XRGB3 B1 mode only has 2ms lag (1/8th of a 60Hz frame)

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:31:05 2015 No.2587148 >>2587063 vga can go much higher than that

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:34:32 2015 No.2587151 >>2587148 We're talking about retro games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:38:28 2015 No.2587159 >>2587151 yes and?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:39:33 2015 No.2587161 >>2587159 So 31khz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:42:37 2015 No.2587168 >>2587161 Last I checked not all retro hardware was limited to 31khz, so do you have a point here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 00:47:28 2015 No.2587178 >>2587168 >Last I checked not all retro hardware was limited to 31khz It's either gonna be 15 or 31khz. I don't know what that's retro that would output something different.

Kya !kDashing02 Tue Aug 4 01:11:05 2015 No.2587207
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>>2587178
Console wise you're right, but it's not like PC games were locked to 640x480@60 until the year 2000.
Even XGA pushes the horizontal refresh up to just under 50khz.
Admittedly slightly outside the "retro" bracket, but still.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 01:37:44 2015 No.2587245 >>2587207 >XGA >introduced october 30, 1990 >slightly outside the "retro" bracket. uh. okay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 01:38:37 2015 No.2587247 >>2587245 Many standards were introduced before 2000. Doesn't mean they were used by anything game related.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue Aug 4 01:48:57 2015 No.2587267 >>2587245 The photo >Diablo II is a... ..game developed by Blizzard North and published by Blizzard Entertainment in 2000

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 01:55:06 2015 No.2587276 >>2587267 I thought you were referring to XGA. Anyhow D2 is a 3dfx game, that's retro in my book.

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 03:08:18 2015 No.2587445

Trying out 240p test suite for the wii on my new PVM 14L5 that just arrived. On all the resolution settings, the screen tears in half/is kind of blurry but still visible (unlike when it tears and rolls downwards) and in black and white. Does anyone know why?

I'm using a pal wii with the video region changed to ntsc (to support s-video) and using s-video while I wait for my adapters to arrive for component.

It runs games fine though so I'm not sure what the problem is currently.

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 03:27:01 2015 No.2587484
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>>2587445
Well, forget that, I just used the snes one instead on an emulator.

But now we have more issues.
As you might be able to notice in my image, the edges curve out/inwards a little in specific spots, and things like that.

Also in the hombrew channel, the entire screen is used, but in some others it leaves gaps around the edges (as in it needs to be moved to the right and angled slightly).

I can try get a picture if needed.
I'm new to the whole PVM train, just got mine today so I'm not sure where to go from here to fix these geometry issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 04:42:03 2015 No.2587602 >>2587445 >>2587484 This one of the last Auschoice ones? Was thinking of picking them up for the 480p but glad someone new got them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 04:48:10 2015 No.2587616 >>2587602 Yeah, there was one more 14L5 I think. Was tossing up this or a 14M something. Very happy with it, huge upgrade from my previous standard crt tv.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 06:44:07 2015 No.2587818 does someone here knows if sony crt TVs with HD support and HDMI/DVI inputs were sold in europe ? I can't seem to find any hint.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 08:16:25 2015 No.2587919 Has anyone here used a projector for gaming? How is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 13:44:28 2015 No.2588501 Is a 32 inch wega too big? Only trinition I can find in my area other than a 30 inch one that has this weird curve shit goin on. Anyone know what i'm talking about? Is the curviness too distracting or do you just filter it out?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 13:47:12 2015 No.2588510 >>2588501 >Anyone know what i'm talking about? You mean a geometry problem?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 16:08:40 2015 No.2588789 >>2587919 Garbage >>2588501 The glass screen?

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 16:57:44 2015 No.2588907
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>>2588789

Found the model. It's actually 27, not 30. My room is kinda small so the 32 inch one might be pushing it a little, but goddamn there's something about the shape of the 27 inch that triggers my autism. It's nitpicky, but it just looks strange.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 17:37:00 2015 No.2588990 >>2588907 Omg, you're right, its so horrible, it uh, looks like your average TV?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 17:44:31 2015 No.2588992 >>2588907 Do... Do you mean the curvature on parts of the casing? Because in that case I think you're seriously overreacting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 18:31:29 2015 No.2589051 >>2584036 >>>2584792 >>2587207 NOT RETRO

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:04:11 2015 No.2589109
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hey guys. i have to choose from 3 CRTs and was wondering wich one was the best

HP 72 - 17" (15.9" viewable)
Hyundai ImageQuest Q770 - 17" (15"? viewable)
Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200ES - 17" (16" viewable)

Im gonna buy 2 mostly for emulation and to benefit for the low display lag in modern gaming

these are the screens in order
by any means, the guy whos selling them seems like a nice guy and said he would let me try them before buying. The Trinitron seems like the best and I read it even supports 1280x1024

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:09:02 2015 No.2589118 >>2589109 the trini look scratched... mint it would have been the go to. that HP looks average as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:23:41 2015 No.2589141
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>>2589118
heres a better shot of the trini since i suck at editing
apparently it supports 512 x 448 @ 60Hz wich is twice the SNES resolution. i have a friend who says its better if the resolution is nearest multiple

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:26:00 2015 No.2589149

>>2589109
>HP 72
H: 30-70kHz
V: 50-120Hz
shadow mask, 0.27mm

>Hyundai ImageQuest Q770
H: 30-70kHz
V: 50-150Hz
shadow mask, 0.20mm (WHAT THE FUCK)

>Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200ES
H: 30-70kHz
V: 50-120Hz
aperture grille, 0.25mm

If that image quest thing is truly 0.20mm, grab it. I find it hard to believe though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:28:55 2015 No.2589153 >>2589141 if it's just the antiglare coating, it might not be that noticiable, be sure to see if it doesn't bother you. 17 inchers usually go 1280x960/1024 @ 75 no problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:31:36 2015 No.2589161 >>2589149 late CRT I guess, looks dope anyway.

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:50:58 2015 No.2589193

>>2589149
That's awesome. I'm getting both the Imagequest and the Trinitron then - unless theres something wrong, that is.

i dont really know that much about shadow mask or AG but i read AG has slightly better colors and shadow mask has crispier text

also are those 150 Hz natively supported? its been years since i touched the settings menu of a CRT i can barely remember anything

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 19:55:21 2015 No.2589203

>>2589161
Was kinda worried there for a moment since I honestly believed I knew about all the 0.20mm tubes in the world.

So apparently, all these ImageQuest monitors are "0.20mm" according to their specs. But their diagonal pitch is 0.26mm, so that makes their true horizontal pitch really 0.24mm or so. They just rounded it down to appear more impressive I guess.

Even then, still looks like the best of the three, so if I were >>2589109 I'd still get it. Tough maybe the trinitron may be more appropriate for console emulation.

Anonymous Tue Aug 4 20:06:20 2015 No.2589221

>>2587484

The service menu can be entered by going to the regular menu and hitting the Degauss and Enter buttons at the same time.

The second section, "deflection", will let you adjust these things.

There's a service manual for these models (14/20L5) floating around google somewhere, if you look hard enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 20:28:12 2015 No.2589256 >>2589221 Thank you anon. I'll work on it sometime today. Is it straightforward from there?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Tue Aug 4 23:12:01 2015 No.2589529 >>2589221 >floating around google somewhere, if you look hard enough. Alternatively https://www.mediafire.com/folder/drd2q7eevq6r4/CRT_Thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 23:48:25 2015 No.2589594 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/221156873851 Anything cheaper than this for a good RGB -> Component converter? DIY included. My trinitron only has component in and I need some RGB goodness in my life. :^(

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 4 23:49:21 2015 No.2589595 File: 2.33 MB, 4096x3072, IMG_20150804_232130.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] slg on my GDM-F520 running Street Fighter Alpha 3 on the dreamcast aw yesh

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 05:10:27 2015 No.2590019 Do you guys use some kind of emulator box for your CRTs or original consoles? I'm looking for something to play GBA stuff, seems like the Wii can't handle it.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Aug 5 05:18:01 2015 No.2590032
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>>2589595
Neat. Looks perhaps a bit TOO sharp, but that's to be expected out of that monitor.

>>2589594
There are various circuits out there that you can make yourself to convert from RGB to Component, though I can't promise that they'll be more economical.

>>2590019
I plan to put together an low-res emulation box at some point, but I run a combination of real hardware and Wii emulators at the moment.

>I'm looking for something to play GBA stuff, seems like the Wii can't handle it.
GBA stuff on the Wii is definitely a very hit or miss subject.
GC+GBPlayer+Swiss=240p GB/GBC/GBA goodness. Add in a GBA flashcart and you're golden.

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 05:31:34 2015 No.2590050

>>2590032
Yeah I could get a gameboy player, that would probably be the best solution because it's real hardware. But my understanding is you need separate flashcarts for GBC/GB and GBA. I also don't have RGB cables which are expensive. I just looked up Swiss, why would that be necessary?

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Aug 5 05:45:03 2015 No.2590074
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>>2590050
>But my understanding is you need separate flashcarts for GBC/GB and GBA
Technically true, but I've heard good things about Goomba when it comes to running GB/GBC games on a GBA flashcart.

>I also don't have RGB cables which are expensive. I just looked up Swiss, why would that be necessary?
If you're in a PAL region, RGB cables are cheap; It's the component cables that NTSC consoles would require that are pricey.
I mention Swiss because otherwise, you are locked into 480i video output without the component cables, and even then that'll only change it to 480p.
Having a way to load Swiss will allow you to force the system to output in 240p, which will work across all cable types, be it composite and s-video or RGB and component. It might not be Component, but S-Video on the Gamecube is quite clean and nice looking.

I'm planning on modding my GC soon so I'll be able to load Swiss for this exact reason, and over component to boot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 05:53:25 2015 No.2590085 >>2590074 Thanks for the info. I live in NA, so settling for S-Video in the short term doesn't sound too bad.

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Aug 5 06:01:27 2015 No.2590090

>>2590085
You're not going to see it getting a grab and go release anytime soon, but if you feel like you're quite handy with electronics, you may want to look into putting together the clone cable:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 06:04:42 2015 No.2590095 >>2589595 Is that a good port?

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 06:49:04 2015 No.2590128
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>>2590090
I don't think I've got the the proper tools for that, but that reminds me of another question I had. I dunno anywhere else to ask so sorry if this is off topic.

Do you think it would be possible to splice these two Wii cables and get S-video plus component at the same time? The left cable here does composite and s-video simultaneously, but I can't find any cable with both component and s-video.

I currently record/stream stuff in s-video while playing in composite using the cable on the left, without needing a splitter. What I want is to be able to play over component and stream s-video (all my cap card has). I guess the limitation would be which pins actually have corresponding leads inside the sleeve, if the needed ones are missing it's probably a no go. And there's also the possibility that component shares a pin with S-video (luminance maybe?).

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 07:10:02 2015 No.2590142 >>2590128 Actually now that I looked up a pin out diagram this seems impossible. s-video's chroma and luminance pins are both shared with the component pins. now I'm just posting in case someone can tell me I'm wrong, lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 07:30:41 2015 No.2590151 >>2590128 No.

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 07:41:08 2015 No.2590159

>>2590142
You're wrong :)

I made an RGB/YPbPr cable. it uses a switch to jump pins 8 and 10 to set component. With the switch open it does RGB.

You'll need to split lines off into an S-Video plug somewhere. I used an official AV cable and bored out more room in the boot and the backshell opening, then jammed 4 extra lines in - R,G,B & +5V cos you never know :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 07:42:29 2015 No.2590162 >>2590159 Sorry, 4 extra lines plus the little slider switch like from a Xbox HD component cable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 07:56:14 2015 No.2590182 >>2589221 Do you know if it's possible to rotate the screen slightly? I couldn't find anything in the service menu that let me do it and while it's not a big deal, it's certainly bugging me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 11:06:44 2015 No.2590459 >>2590095 Third best, but not bad by any means Arcade> Saturn with 4mb expansion>Dreamcast>ps1

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 11:36:21 2015 No.2590542 >>2590459 as much as Iike the saturn version, it has slowdowns. DC has dramatic battle too

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 11:41:22 2015 No.2590558 How are the 2000's WEGA Trinitron displays? I can get one free that's at least 32" and has composite/s-video/component inputs (and hopefully 240p/480i/480p).

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 12:27:12 2015 No.2590667

Just got my first PVM!
PVM-14M4A. 800 lines of perfection.
Simply fantastic!

Even the NES over Composite looks better than ever!

Currently running the following PAL RGB consoles through it: N64, SNES, Megadrive.

I need to RGB mod my NES soon. But I will wait until Kevtris finishes the HDMI mod and he tests if it can be combined with the NESRGB.

Also tried it with an Apple IIGS. It's so beautiful I could almost cry.

It also has an SDI board installed that wasn't mentioned by the seller! Can I do anything with it? What kind of converter boxes exist for SDI?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 12:36:10 2015 No.2590693 >>2590667 >Currently running the following PAL RGB consoles through it: N64, SNES, Megadrive. And the PS3 (not retro, but still usable with 800 TV lines).

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 15:20:34 2015 No.2591021 Is there any Swede here that has been able to get a Sony PVM? I'd love to get a hold of one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 15:47:46 2015 No.2591070 Svideo pasta updated http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 15:54:58 2015 No.2591090

>>2589109 here
Ended up getting the trinitron. The hp had some very noyiceable scratches and the hp didnt turn on at all. He told me he didnt know why but the base was broken so he probably had an accident with it some time since he took that pictures. The trinitron did have a little scratch as some anon pointed out but you dont really notice it as long as its on.
Thanks everyone for the advice!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 15:58:50 2015 No.2591105 >>2591090 so the hyundai didn't work as well ? For shame...

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 16:46:58 2015 No.2591189

Does anyone happen to have a service manual for the Gateway VX1120? Or a Mitsubishi 2060u, since it's the same tube or whatever.
I've been adjusting it in factory mode and it looks okay, but there are a lot of settings that I don't really know how to use fully.

Second question: I've heard of CRT's having massively great "contrast ratio" for lack of a better word, but once I've calibrated basically any of the ones that have passed through my hands, they end up having lighter blacks and darker whites than some of my LCD's. Is the "true black" thing a misconception from people having uncalibrated monitors with crushed blacks, does the ratio get worse as CRT's age, or are there some weird settings or factors that I'm unaware of?

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 17:23:40 2015 No.2591245

>>2591189
>does the ratio get worse as CRT's age
The gamma curve does, I think. You'll have to correct it in your graphics card drivers as I don't believe there's any way to change it in hardware.

Here are some calibration patterns:
http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html
http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1B.html

Usually my procedure is:
- brightness at 100%
- contrast at 100% (unless this causes saturation on bright colours, happens rarely)
- display a black screen
- turn down the brightness until it's actually black
- calibrate gamma
- readjust brightness if necessary

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 17:36:00 2015 No.2591273 >>2591245 >The gamma curve does, I think. I've definitely noticed that. Thanks, I'll try this out.

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 19:35:35 2015 No.2591532

>>2590159
>>2590128
Sorry, didn't read. I thought you want a cable that could do both, but you want one that does both at the same time. The Wii won't output two signals cos it uses the same pins, as you noted later.

It might be possible, but you'd have to break one set of signals off the Wii boards somewhere and install your own DAC hardware to convert them. I doubt anyone else has bothered.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 21:35:07 2015 No.2591716 dumb question but if is it possible to put an HD sony bkm card into a sony pvm 20l2 and get 480p supprot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 21:50:13 2015 No.2591729 >>2591716 I don't think so

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 21:52:41 2015 No.2591737
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Hey /vr/, I just bought a CRT and a converter box to play my emulators. However, I've noticed when it displays certain colors, the color isn't constant and blinks a lot. Pic related, the red and green patches constantly flash. Is that normal for the RGB output? Is my converter box causing this??

Anonymous Wed Aug 5 22:00:06 2015 No.2591743
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>>2591105
yeah i mistyped. the hyundai did turn on but the screen was pitch black and the base was kinda broken. its a shame really
im really enjoying my trinitron so far
i just calibrated it for 1280x960 so that its 4 times the Megadrive resolution and spent like 3 hours playing videogames
it just feels so good
the low display lag makes everything feel so instant

i tried to make the scratches less noticeable by applying a little drop of shower gel and it seems to work but i think i put a little too much and now that area is a bit blurry
recommendations for cleaning?

Kya !kDashing02 Wed Aug 5 22:37:32 2015 No.2591787
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>>2591070
Might be a good idea to make an account and just edit the same bin, so as to not require direct thread-to-thread changes to the OP.

>>2591737
Could be the converter box you're using, especially if you're outputting composite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 5 22:43:57 2015 No.2591797 >>2591716 >>2591729 Agreed. I'd say the card is a signal decoder, it's not directly going to affect the timing of the guns or the scan rate. Which decoder board? An SDI one?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 13:48:51 2015 No.2592769 anyone near 26003 want a free 20m2mdu

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu Aug 6 18:56:20 2015 No.2593262 >>2592769 Why are you getting rid of it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 19:40:02 2015 No.2593343 >>2593262 Im getting rid of a lot of stuff. It doesnt get much use anymore and figured someone here would appreciate it. Im serious here, if you're around then its yours for free, great condition.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu Aug 6 19:47:14 2015 No.2593361 >>2593343 Tempted to try and bribe someone with a trip to the casino to get down there. At the very least, it'd be a nice couple hour road trip. Have any photos of it in action?

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:14:21 2015 No.2593564
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Hey /crt/ i was out the other day and found this guy on someones curb on garbage day. I hauled it home, and it works just fine - but in black and white. I'm not at all sure who made it cause theres little to no branding. It just looked too cool not to grab. Is it worth even having? The B&W is pretty bad, it has a blurry picture, and I doubt it even supports color. Anyone have any ideas how I can improve image quality or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:15:40 2015 No.2593571 File: 2.96 MB, 4160x2340, IMG_8719.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2593564 Knobs / buttons Also the picture isnt so much blurry as much as it has super blurry text. Games are totally playable but reading the text is wierd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:16:46 2015 No.2593574 File: 969 KB, 4160x2340, IMG_8718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2593564 Back of the unit

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:34:53 2015 No.2593624 >>2593564 >>2593571 >>2593574 Looks like a piece of garbage tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:37:23 2015 No.2593628 >>2593564 That is one of the worst B/W tubes I've ever seen. And yeah, I'm 99% it's B/W and not color. Severely darkened corners. It's pretty much garbage. Not your fault though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:38:25 2015 No.2593630 >>2593564 Looks like a b&w security monitor. They take lots of abuse and are usually left on 24 hours a day. Cool novelty but not really a good monitor for gaming unless you like the blur.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:39:11 2015 No.2593632 >>2591737 Probably the converter box not handling everything properly.

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 21:43:51 2015 No.2593643
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>>2591189
>>2591245
>>2591273
Get a proper black level test pattern. When properly adjusted, you should be nearly unable (or actually unable) to tell the black bars at the extreme end of the pattern apart from another. Same for the white.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:09:13 2015 No.2593698 >>2577017 What's up with the buttons on the left?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:21:47 2015 No.2593727 >>2593630 >security monitor. That's exactly what it is, the time slider in >>2593571 adjusts the interval between switching from input 1 and 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:36:32 2015 No.2593746 There is an NEC Multisync xp21 on sale for £10 in my area, is it ok to get my hopes up or is it a piece of junk?

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:44:11 2015 No.2593754

>>2593643
There is a black level pattern on the pages I linked, right next to the gamma pattern, with instructions below it.
>The left bar (A) should be just above the threshold of visibility opposite your chosen gamma (2.2 or 1.8)-- it should be invisible where gamma is lower by about 0.3. The right bar (B) should be distinctly visible: brighter than (A), but still very dark.

And I'm pretty sure you should be able to discern the darker bars in your pic. If you can't tell them apart with brightness set correctly, your gamma is still off.

I like these too, they're designed for LCDs obviously, but most of these patterns apply to any monitor:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/white.php
The contrast page is especially useful to quickly check if brightness/contrast/gamma are set correctly. All bars should be equally wide and both the left- and rightmost squares should be discernable.

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:44:53 2015 No.2593757

The only CRT I can fit in my room at the same time as my computer is a small little weird blue and yellow TV that actually has a ratio of 3:4.

It's fine enough, it's served me ever since the n64 came out.

The thrift shop that used to have a shitload of CRTs doesn't have them anymore, so now I don't even know where I would go to buy one.

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 22:53:20 2015 No.2593775

>>2593757
Thrift stores here always have racks full of crummy TVs for sale, but never any PC monitors. (which I'm more interested in)

Few months ago I was at the largest thrift shop in the area, and first thing I saw was one guy pushing a cart full of perfectly good pc crts. Finally!

motherfucker pushed them all straight into the dumpster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 23:06:56 2015 No.2593805 >>2593775 nice so obviously you grabbed one out?

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 23:25:04 2015 No.2593828

>>2593746
XP21 was made around '95-'97 and got good reviews on release. It's a big 21-inch, the highest res it can do is 1600x1200 at 71hz, might be easier on the eyes if you could run 1280x1024 at 85hz, just depends on whether it supports it. For £10 it's worth a try.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 23:25:07 2015 No.2593829 >>2590182 There will definitely be 3 or so settings you can play with in the service menu to achieve what you want but I will warn you it will probably set something else out of whack.

Anonymous Thu Aug 6 23:31:57 2015 No.2593837

>>2593829
Yeah I've tested all I could find. None of the geometry settings I came across let me rotate the actual screen though, or individually move corners (two corners are out a little more than necessary)

And all the non geometry settings, no idea what they do, and they don't do anything if I up/lower their settings (although I'm cancelling from them instead of "accepting" the changes, so idk if they need to be accepted to change), but they don't seem relevant to what I'm looking for anyway sadly.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Thu Aug 6 23:36:24 2015 No.2593848 >>2593828 >1280x1024 at 85hz Ever so slightly above its supposed horizontal refresh limit, but it might be able to display it. 1280x960@85 would be doable, with 90hz being a really iffy maybe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 6 23:45:16 2015 No.2593860 >>2593361 I can post some later after I'm done at work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 7 08:41:11 2015 No.2594462 >>2593837 you might need to alter the rings on the neck or the magnet strip things, much more complicated/dangerous than the service menu though

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 7 09:26:01 2015 No.2594501 >>2594462 Yeah, I am too scared to dabble in all that, even if It's not that hard in the grand scheme of things. It's sufficient, albeit not perfect.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 7 15:31:42 2015 No.2595009 File: 135 KB, 750x634, IMG_20150807_151422.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2593361 1/2 Sorry for terrible quality, all I have is my 4 year old phone. Its been rebranded for olympus for some reason. Never had any problems with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 7 15:32:47 2015 No.2595014 File: 1.80 MB, 1960x2608, IMG_20150807_151558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2595009 2/2

Kya !kDashing02 Fri Aug 7 18:15:42 2015 No.2595383

>>2595009
>>2595014
It doesn't happen to be showing heavy signs of age is it?
That's one of the reasons I'm interested in picking another one up, the shadowing on my current M2 is starting to get pretty bad; It's getting to the point where it doesn't have to specifically be bright objects on a dark screen anymore, though that's still where it's most notable. It's still great for photos, and still looks as vibrantly colorful as ever though.

Probably wouldn't be able to pop down immediately, but if I were to, when would be a decent time/how long would you hang on to it? We can talk via e-mail if you'd prefer.

Anonymous Fri Aug 7 21:45:03 2015 No.2595770

>>2595383
I dont think its suffering anything heavy. Ive used it a relatively small amount since I have had it. I will try and get some better pictures here soon. Anytime time during the day or any weekend would be good, I can hang on to it indefinately. email is ssw95@live.com

Anonymous Fri Aug 7 22:10:55 2015 No.2595803
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just got a bvm from ebay for $86 shipped. Took the chance and it works, just having a hard time adjusting my settings, so much shit in the menus and on the crt itself. Also forgot to buy terminators.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 00:11:51 2015 No.2595951 >>2595803 Why would you need terminators? The BVM and PVM series auto-terminate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 00:18:37 2015 No.2595961 >>2595951 BVMs dont

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 00:34:34 2015 No.2595983 >>2595961 Fug, learned something new today.

Kya !kDashing02 Sat Aug 8 05:49:55 2015 No.2596597
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Well, this is a bit unexpected.

Despite being having problems with flicker, the PS2 version of Capcom vs SNK2 is considerably sharper than its Gamecube counterpart. Its HUD, sprites, lettering and just about all of its assets are razor sharp in comparison. I'm beginning to wonder if Capcom just decided to filter all their ports and collections on the Gamecube, as MMX Collections suffers from some of the same faults(and several more I might add)

And oddly, the Dreamcast version seems scaled differently than the other two. Characters are spaced differently and placed close to the foreground than in the others; Things that should be square also seem to be stretched vertically. It's not as soft as the Gamecube version, but not as sharp as the PS2. It also seems considerably brighter than the other two; This seems to be partially caused by the PS2 outputting component, as switching it to RGBS brings the two closer.

Hilariously, the high amount of flicker combined with the sharpness makes the sprites on the PS2 version appear to almost be in 240p at times; Definitely a boon to taking photos of it at the very least.

That edge wobble, holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 11:07:20 2015 No.2596901 File: 901 KB, 2560x1440, PicsArt_1439046371103.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New op pic, drop your spaghetti edition

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 11:28:00 2015 No.2596943 >>2596597 CvS2 on PS2 runs in that crappy low resolution interlaced with no flicker filter. Many early games ran like that. And for some reason, when you use a mod chip, PS1 games also run interlaced, even 240p ones

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 17:55:50 2015 No.2597547 >>2596943 This certainly isn't the case with my chipped PS1. That may be true of a certain chip though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 18:12:14 2015 No.2597586 >>2597547 I meant modchip on PS2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 20:52:08 2015 No.2597929 >>2597586 There's no reason to use a modchip for PS2 since it has FreeMCBoot though

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 21:02:50 2015 No.2597942 What's the best cable I can use with a Playstation (not PSone but the original model)? Does it support component or should I go S-Video? My TV can handle either. Just picked one up with King's Field and Front Mission 3

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 21:03:35 2015 No.2597946 >>2597929 for ps1 games you still need swaping, chips allowed region free and burnt ps1 games And FMCB is fairly recent. Modchip were there well before it

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 8 21:48:34 2015 No.2597994 >>2597942 Upon some further digging it seems the Playstation does not support component video... S-Video it is, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 9 01:30:33 2015 No.2598391 File: 25 KB, 500x303, CYP-UK-Ltd-Trilogy-I-5-Way-SCART-Video-Control-Auto-switching-0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What SCART splitter is good? Most of the ones that are commonly recommended are discontinued.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 9 04:40:42 2015 No.2598686 New thread when?

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Aug 9 04:52:43 2015 No.2598697
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>>2596943
Lower resolution or not, the clarity on the sprites(Sakura's for example) are still pretty similar to their 240p originals despite the interlacing.

The DC or GC version would obviously be preferable for normal play because they're easier on the eyes, but I still think it's neat if only in the frame of taking photos.

>>2598686
Gotcha right here.

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