Dreamcast appreciation thread

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Dreamcast appreciation thread Anonymous Tue Jul 21 12:38:58 2015 No.2554489 [Reply] [Original]

It's the last retro console, which some people call a failure and some people think was a masterpiece killed too early. What are your thoughts on the system? Favorite games? Memories?

For me it was primarily a fighting games machine. I could never stand the PS style d-pad, but I love the Dreamcast one. Ended up importing King of Figthers 2000, 2001 and 2002 and its still the main system I play them on.

Anonymous Tue Jul 21 14:22:51 2015 No.2554650
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>>2554489
I remember getting it for Christmas in 1999. It was only the second console I had (1st was genesis). I only had Sega Rally, Rippin' Riders, and Sonic Adventure. My brother and I sat it up and played all day long.

Also I remember really wanting to play Gundam Side Story after I played the demo that came in Dreamcast Magazine. I couldn't find it in stores, and my parents wouldn't let me buy games off of ebay after we got ripped off once, so I had to settle for playing the demo over and over (I got really good at it). That game (the demo of it, at least) is what really got me into mecha.

Also, GM cannon is the best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:32:14 2015 No.2555643 >>2554489 The dreamcast was a failed system face it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:38:26 2015 No.2555652 >>2554489 Commercially, it was a failure it has a really good, good game to bad game ratio though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:45:12 2015 No.2555674 >>2555652 >>2555643 Sega was fucked long before the Dreamcast came out. They put their all into it, but that wasn't enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 21 23:45:17 2015 No.2555675 It was my last console. I enjoyed skies of Arcadia, crazy taxi and sonic adventures a lot. Oh and NBA2k was fun too.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 03:59:47 2015 No.2556249
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>>2554489

>It's the last retro console, which some people call a failure and some people think was a masterpiece killed too early.

I just posted this image in the "Why did the Dreamcast fail" thread and then thirty seconds later some autist mod deleted the entire thread.

Anyway, in case anyone was wondering what Sega's financial situation looked like leading up to the DC's launch (and the major handicap they had going in), this is why the Dreamcast was killed before its time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 04:03:37 2015 No.2556257 >>2555643 The fuck does that matter 15 years later?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:06:14 2015 No.2556461 I own a Dreamcast but I wish I had some more RPGs to play. The arcade games and fighting games on this are god tier though. Also, I wish a twin stick didn't cost a fortune.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:35:21 2015 No.2556493 >>2555643 It actually sold pretty well. Far enough to be a viable market. Problem is games didn't sell cuz it had no piracy protection and CD burners and internet started to become widely popular

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:43:55 2015 No.2556505 >>2556493 Thats not true. I really doubt people were copying their games. Dreamcast didn't have a killer app that people wanted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:51:22 2015 No.2556518 >>2555643 >The dreamcast was a failed system face it That doesn't make it a bad system you irrelevance spewing fucking dip shit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:20:45 2015 No.2556545
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Best mecha fighting game ever.

>>2555643
Considering how SEGA fucked themselves over decade leading up to it they actually did pretty good with a system that was doomed to fail.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 11:58:20 2015 No.2556837

>>2555643
/v/-tier posting

>>2554489
I bought a Dreamcast with Shenmue and Super Magnetic Neo earlier this year. It's pretty good. Afterwards I bought Skies of Arcadia and Elemental Gimmick Gear. It has some decent games worth playing and I'm glad I went back to pick one up. Currently debating on what to pick up next. Grandia 2 or Jet Grind Radio

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 12:00:29 2015 No.2556840 >>2556545 Dreamcast was kinda like hitting a solo home run in the 9th when you're losing 10-1.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 12:09:40 2015 No.2556854

>>2554489
>some people call a failure and some people think was a masterpiece killed too early

That's exactly why I bought one last week. This console killed Sega in the console market, and I was wondering why since people seem to love it. I had three games ship in yesterday (Blue Stinger, Crazy Taxi, and Tony Hawk Pro Skater). The only game that actually works and loads everything is Tony Hawk. Crazy Taxi doesn't render the ground and it looks like I'm driving around on a crummy emulator. The middle part of the disc looks very scratched up, so the store probably cleaned it until they thought it worked (when it didn't!). Blue Stinger doesn't work or load at all. At all! It freezes at the Dreamcast logo. I looked into it and apparently Sega released like 5 game series where there were batches that burned incorrectly and wouldn't work. Events like this probably killed it more than people realize.

Now collecting has left a sour taste in my mouth. I'm gonna get myself some CD-Rs so I can actually play the games I bought.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 12:12:24 2015 No.2556861 >>2555643 Go back to /v/, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:52:28 2015 No.2558224 Just recently picked up Roommania #203, Frame Gride, L.O.L., Project Justice, and JoJo's. I'm a bit sad that Project Justice and JoJo's doesn't work with the VGA box..

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:47:22 2015 No.2558396 I'm getting a dreamcast tomorrow in the mail and I'm burning games for it. I don't the format of the Dreamcast CD's, do I use 700mb CD-Rs? or ??

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:51:15 2015 No.2558405 >>2558396 *I don't understand some of the Dreamcast game CD formats because some are listed as 99min cdr

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 03:09:43 2015 No.2558424

>>2558396
>>2558405

No problem man, I'll school you:

700mb CDRs are the most common on the market. When you go to a store to buy CDRs, this is what you will find. Normal Dreamcast game rips are designed to fit on a 700mb disc. If the original Dreamcast game is larger than 700mb, some things may be downsampled (audio or video is re-encoded at a lower quality to reduce the filesize) or removed entirely (sometimes ambient audio or menus for modem setup, etc).

Some downloaded rips are a little over 700mb, but will still be burnable using "overburning", but this is all automatic and your burning program takes care of it for you.

There are CDRs that are larger in size, they are 870mb instead of 700mb. Since they can hold more data, some games were re-released with more of the original data intact to take advantage of the additional 170mb.

Normal 700mb CDRs can store 80 minutes of music, but larger 870mb CDRs can store 99 minutes of music. 99 minute rips require 99 minute CDRs to burn.

99 minute CDRs are pretty rare, and the only reliable way to get them is to order them online.

Basically, get regular (non-99 minute) rips and burn them to 700mb discs and you'll be fine.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 03:11:45 2015 No.2558426

>>2558396
Dreamcast games were pressed on a special GD-ROM format that could hold ~1gb. Therefore games have been ripped to smaller ISOs to fit on traditional CD-Rs, usually by removing dummy data or downsampling audio and video. Some games can't be ripped in that manner and require larger 99 minutes CD-Rs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 03:15:43 2015 No.2558430 >>2558424 >>2558426 Alright thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 05:08:23 2015 No.2558525 >>2556854 Here are my recommendations: Jet Set Radio Chu Chu Rocket Power Stone 2 Headhunter Sonic Adventure Dynamite Cop Skies of Arcadia (there's an improved GC version in case you want that instead) Shenmue 1 + 2 Cosmic Smash Virtua Tennis

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:12:17 2015 No.2559049

>>2558525
Thanks, man. I'll get on downloading those isos. I checked out the vsreccommend wikia to help me along with the game choice too.

I rented Skies for the Gamecube back in the day. I'm sure I'll nostolgia on it once those CD-Rs make it in.

Question: Is Grandia II overrated or pure awesome?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:26:22 2015 No.2559075

I recently got a Dreamcast VGA cable. It works great, but I keep seeing people saying I should also buy a VGA-to-HDMI adapter for it.

The VGA cable on its own works fine though, is there any advantage to buying the adapter besides "if you find a TV with no VGA support"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:32:32 2015 No.2559083 >>2559075 That's retarded, just plug it into a CRT PC monitor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 12:42:43 2015 No.2559102 >>2559083 I don't have a PC CRT monitor Sure as fuck not getting one just for the Dreamcast.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:00:07 2015 No.2559142 >>2556518 Kind of vitriolic for an offhand 4chan post that was probably a troll anyway

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:05:57 2015 No.2559159

>>2554489
One game defined the Dreamcast: Phantasy Star Online.

This was back during a time when online functionality was just rearing its head in our innocent world of strictly offline gaming, before every cunt and his cunt had 3 smart phones levitating around their person at all times and every internet capable device was on a permanent connection to the web.

That was and still is a very exciting thing. It was one of the first online console RPGs and its replayability is still beyond most games I've played today. I was on PSO for MONTHS before I finally quit. Its downfall was the fact that Codebreaker and Xploder were readily available to hack the shit out of the game and people made malicious codes to harm other players with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:18:56 2015 No.2559195 >>2554489 >It's the last retro console As defined by what, an arbitrary decree with no real explanation? There's not really anything separating it from it's sixth-gen contemporaries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:21:31 2015 No.2559207 >>2559102 Get one for emulation, then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:23:05 2015 No.2559216 >>2559195 >There's not really anything separating it from it's sixth-gen contemporaries. Well, it could have lived until the rest of them were out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:44:07 2015 No.2559264 >>2556505 >I really doubt people were copying their games They did. They really did. For few bucks you could ask the cool kid of your school to burn you tons of Dreamcast games

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 13:49:22 2015 No.2559281 >>2556505 It was very true. People were burning Playstation games left and right, too. With the Dreamcast you didn't even need to mod the system. I guess you had to be there. You probably think we were still using rotary phones at the time, too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:51:42 2015 No.2559427 >>2556840 topkek ...it's true tho ;__;

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:56:28 2015 No.2559447 >>2559264 >citation needed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:59:40 2015 No.2559463 >>2559447 High school experiences are seldom thoroughly documented. What did you have for lunch yesterday? INCONTROVERTIBLE CITATION NEEDED OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:26:04 2015 No.2559528 >>2559195 Maybe he's just going by /vr/ standards

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:27:15 2015 No.2559531 >>2559528 Right: an arbitrary decree with no real explanation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:49:40 2015 No.2559582 >>2559102 $20 on Craigslist idiot

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:01:46 2015 No.2559606
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Recently my brother-in-law was clearing out stuff he had before he got married to my sis.
He gave me a working dreamcast, 2 controllers(one not in playable condition) and these games.
I'll probably go to the Trader's Village flea market this weekend and see if i can pick up anything good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:43:50 2015 No.2559809 >>2559049 I haven't played Grandia 2 but it's supposedly one of the best Dreamcast RPGs. The battle system is (according to reviews) one of the best ever made. The story's highly praised too. IGN gave it 9.2/10 so it's probably pure awesome.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:56:02 2015 No.2559839

>>2559582

More like free on craigslist. People are giving them away left and right because they're cleaning out their closets/garages/etc or their grandpa died and they don't think anyone wants one of those "old tube monitors". I got ahold of an old 19" Diamondtron for free, and I gave the guy $5 to deliver it across town to me. It may be different in your city but where I live CRTs are free for anyone who wants one.

>>2559531

DC is the last retro console by any standard. It was the last one to focus on arcade gameplay over "cinematic" gameplay, the last system before the "two sticks, a d-pad, and four face buttons" controller standard was the norm, the last one (with the exception of the Gamecube, but fuck the Gamecube) to not have officially supported multimedia capabilities outside of simple music cd playback (meaning it was a game console first and foremost, not a "multimedia device" or an "entertainment system"), and it was the last console to be discontinued before 9/11 (which changed our outlook on media significantly).

It would be interesting to see a count of how many multiplats the Dreamcast shared with 5th gen consoles compared to how many it shared with 6th gen consoles.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:04:06 2015 No.2559865

>>2559839
>It was the last one to focus on arcade gameplay over "cinematic" gameplay
Overeaggeration; by that logic, the Wii should be considered retro

>the last system before the "two sticks, a d-pad, and four face buttons" controller standard was the norm
PS1 (retro) had dual sticks and the Dpad + 4 face buttons setup was a established long before sixth gen

> the last one (with the exception of the Gamecube, but fuck the Gamecube)
You are literally demonstrating "arbitrary." Your "standard" is a sliding scale.

>and it was the last console to be discontinued before 9/11 (which changed our outlook on media significantly).
Not sure if really, really reaching or just trolling

>It would be interesting to see a count of how many multiplats the Dreamcast shared with 5th gen consoles compared to how many it shared with 6th gen consoles.
It might be, but it wouldn't change the fact that Dreamcast IS a 6th gen platform. Again, you're just arbitrarily defining your own standards, which aren't even "/vr/ standards" at this point.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:07:10 2015 No.2559875

>>2559839

>It was the last one to focus on arcade gameplay over "cinematic" gameplay
This is retarded. You mean to say that the PS1 with all its JRPGs doesn't have cinematic gameplay while the 6th gen in all its variety doesn't have any arcadey gameplay?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:10:02 2015 No.2559884 >>2559865 >Metal Gear Solid debuted after the Dreamcast

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:13:04 2015 No.2559892 >>2559606 you should see if you can get your dreamcast online and try the web browser

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:14:46 2015 No.2559894 >>2559875 you know what he means, it was the last time the killer apps were straight arcade ports. like SPAWN or soul calibur or crazy taxi or power stone

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:15:34 2015 No.2559896

>reading issue of Video Game Underground circa 2002
>Xbox version of Shenmue 2 is featured in the Holiday Buyer's Guide
>"The original Shenmue hit the Dreamcast admist a tidal wave of hype and claims of it being truly revolutionary. Well it wasn't. It was a nifty combination of RPG and fighting game with a LOT of immersive details thrown it"

Them's fighting words

>>2555652

Commercially it did well however Sega was having troubles due to past errors

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:06:05 2015 No.2560046 >>2559865 DC is retro. There is no argument to be made. You can deal with it or continue sperging out and go post on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:10:05 2015 No.2560057 >>2560046 >No argument; it is because I said so! Rather than address your observations, JUST NO! Nicely done.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:25:59 2015 No.2560102 >>2560057 It's because there's a sticky at the top of the page that says so. But continue to rage against the machine I guess.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:30:17 2015 No.2560125

>>2560102
You somehow missed that my original post shone a light on how arbitrary and contrived that sticky is, which is reflected in how /vr/ users adhere to it using entirely different forms of reasoning and none of which are evident in the sticky itself--which itself is reflected in how, rather than address my points, you just say "nuh-uh!"

But hey, if you want to just blindly internalize whatever some nameless admin tells you is true and defend it ravenously without even understanding why, that's cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:35:19 2015 No.2560139 >>2560125 So instead of complaining about it, why don't you do the rational thing and either adhere to it, or go somewhere else? Either way, stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:38:17 2015 No.2560146

>>2560139
>Adhering to a rule that you cannot even adequately justify beyond "it's a rule" is rational

>blindly conforming is more rational than questioning arbitrary rules and encouraging their review and revision
That's a good little sheep. You're one of us, alright, you Belong!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:41:31 2015 No.2560152 >>2560146 Stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:41:37 2015 No.2560153 stop replying, guys

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:46:36 2015 No.2560162 >>2560152 >rekindles the argument by replying to a post from over an hour ago >"stop shitting up the thread"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:47:31 2015 No.2560163 >>2560162 Stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:49:01 2015 No.2560169 >>2560163 >continues to repeat the same "cutting" remark over and over >ignores others' requests to stop replying >thinks he's not shitting up the thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:19:30 2015 No.2560218 >>2560169 Stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:25:09 2015 No.2560237

>>2560218
Aw, that must've been a real struggle. "Do I stop posting, as that would get him to stop posting as well? Nah, then I'd be giving in to him, can't have that!" youtried.jpg

I'd gladly stop if someone can offer up a reasonable explanation as to why the Dreamcast is a special exception in a way that's consistent and doesn't have any gaping holes. "IT JUST IS" does not fit this criteria.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:26:39 2015 No.2560239 >>2560237 It was released before 1999.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:26:55 2015 No.2560240 >>2560218 stop replying, he's just a troll

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:27:22 2015 No.2560242 >>2560237 Stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:28:22 2015 No.2560247 >>2560239 /argument Best place to find 99 minute CDRs?

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:30:35 2015 No.2560256

>>2560239
>>2560247
Why is an arbitrarily selected year a better criterion than being a member of a given hardware generation? What makes 1999 the dividing line between two (or more) very similar gaming platforms? Who selected 1999, and why?

Initially, the Dreamcast wasn't considered retro despite being before 1999. The sticky cites "the release of the 8th generation of consoles" as the reason for the Dreamcast's inclusion yet that reason apparently doesn't suffice for the rest of the sixth generation. How does that make sense?

>>2560242
>I can't read

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:31:33 2015 No.2560258 don't reply guys ;^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:32:05 2015 No.2560260 >>2560256 Stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:36:38 2015 No.2560272

>>2560258
Posting the same phrase over and over again constitutes spam; I've contributed more to the thread than you have by miles and miles. Maybe if you keep chanting it over and over, you won't have to actually reason!

It's so fucking sad to see religious devoutness applied to fucking /vr/ stickies. The only responses people can come up with are putting fingers in their ears, calling me a troll, or advocating NOT to respond--despite a solid response being exactly what would shut me up. If I'm so wrong, how come no one can demonstrate this? Should be a piece of cake, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:37:39 2015 No.2560274 >>2560272 :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 22:47:57 2015 No.2560556 >>2560125 >wanting to talk about Halo so badly, you'll shit up a Dreamcast thread Making an excellent case for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 23:05:03 2015 No.2560597 >>2560556 >applying 100% made up bullshit to your opponent in an attempt to discredit their actual argument, let alone address it Making an excellent case for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 00:38:59 2015 No.2560761 >>2559463 Not saying it didn't happen but you're coming off as saying it happened everywhere which it did not. Also, cut the HURR CAPS MAKES MY POINT MORE VALID shit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 00:50:38 2015 No.2560779

>>2560761
>you're coming off as saying it happened everywhere which it did not.
>which it did not.

citation needed

Seriously, you can't come in declaring that something isn't true with no proof, then when multiple people testify to the contrary, demand they provide proof--and then again immediately follow up by declaring it didn't happen without any proof whatsoever.

It's your anecdotal evidence versus ours. You cannot prove that yours is any more representative of the average experience than we can prove ours is, and I'm guessing that we're a lot less vested in proving it than you are.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 00:54:26 2015 No.2560789

>>2560761
>Not saying it didn't happen

Actually...
>>2556505
>Thats not true.
>I really doubt people were copying their games.

In response to someone asserting this was true (without claiming "it happened everywhere")...
>>2559447
>citation needed

>you're coming off as saying it happened everywhere
No. In response to "it didn't happen," you got "yes, it did." You're now misquoting purely to refute the claim. Between that and attacking all-caps of all things, it's clear you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 01:02:47 2015 No.2560801 >>2559049 Grandia 2 is a solid JRPG, pretty enjoyable I think It's not very complicated or difficult though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:24:43 2015 No.2560962 http://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2015/07/developer-interview-isotope-softworks.html Seems quite ambitious, but why make it a Dreamcast exclusive?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 02:46:21 2015 No.2560992 So, I hope at least you guys know about the Spreadsheet. Can't believe this thread is still alive, but that's awesome!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 14:19:48 2015 No.2561818 Man, this thread sucks with all this arguing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 14:25:30 2015 No.2561834 >>2561818 Yeah, I wished I lived in a world where I said moronic, retarded stuff all the time and people just accepted it, too.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 14:38:04 2015 No.2561865

>>2561818
This thread that sucks was close to death. You allegedly don't like it yet you revived it, all the way to the front page. People like you claim to not want this kind of shit in threads, but you're keeping it alive, you perpetuate it. You DO want it. You're part of the problem. This thread is irredeemable; if you're really opposed to it, just let it die.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 18:13:16 2015 No.2562348

>>2561865

If we did that, than we would never have any threads at all.

There will always be some retard who tries to argue that the DC isn't retro even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and will continue to do so out of some sick need for attention (as evidenced by the "I'll stop if you guys do X" posts.

Some people just figure that negative attention is still attention, which is truly sad.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 18:16:34 2015 No.2562354

>>2562348
>argue that the DC isn't retro even in the face of overwhelming evidence

What evidence? It was asked for it over and over and literally no one answered except for "you're a troll!" Even you are mischaracterizing a request for a single sound explanation as attention-seeking.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 19:07:57 2015 No.2562450
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>>2562354

And yet you continue.

> Released before 1999
> Last console with an arcade focus
> Last console from a company that helped define the 90s videogaming landscape

and lastly

> Has more multiplats in common with 5th gen consoles than 6th gen

It's retro. Now that you have your (multiple) answers, please stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 19:26:57 2015 No.2562487

>>2562450
The question isn't necessarily why DC IS retro; I love the DC and enjoy the opportunity to discuss it. Rather, I ask why the GC, PS2, and XB aren't considered retro despite being part of the same gen.

Again...
"1999" is a year that has been arbitrarily selected with no rhyme or reason as to why.

"Console with an arcade focus" is a very vague criterion that can arguably apply to any of these consoles, and is also a criterion drawn from thin air. For example, is the CDi not retro because "it doesn't have an arcade focus?" I imagine you'd say "no because it was made before '99," ignoring the question of that year's special significance but also RAISING the question: why do some criteria HAVE to be met for some consoles to count while others don't? In other words, why is the DC "retro" because it meets requirements A and B, while the CDi is retro merely because it satisfies one? If it satisfies one, why can't, say, the GC do the same?

"Has more multiplats in common with 5th gen consoles than 6th gen" is a sudden evolution from someone speculating aloud "I wonder how many multiplats it has in common with 5th versus 6th." I take it you've personally verified this since you're now speaking in absolutes. I'd ask you to share your findings, but it doesn't really change the fact that DC is a sixth gen console, and is also a criterion drawn from thin air.

All I'm really asking here is that people who adamantly and blindly uphold a rule EXAMINE the rule and question its legitimacy--not through making up criteria that suits your presumed position, but by looking at the rule itself, as it's written, and ask yourself if it makes sense. The fact that very few attempts have been made to do so is frankly stupefying, the fact that people have attempted to shove words in my mouth in order to discredit and/or dodge my position is disappointing, and the fact that most attempts have completely different rationalizations highlights how vague and flimsy the rule really is.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:04:48 2015 No.2562538

>>2562487

Examine the rule somewhere else. This level of intense single-concept stubbornness is like Autism 101.

If you're really butthurt about the DC being considered retro than bring it up with a mod, because they are literally the only person other than yourself who might actually care.

But, in the meantime, stop shitting up a Dreamcast thread with your sperglord levels of angst, if you'd be so kind.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:10:50 2015 No.2562545

>>2562538
>you're really butthurt about the DC being considered retro

You didn't even read the post, did you? You didn't even read the first line.

"Single-concept stubbornness" is the opposite of what I'm doing here; blindly adhering to something without even daring to look at it from any perspective fits that term exactly, however.

I mean, if you will not/CAN not think critically about this, then fine. But at least admit it. At least OWN your unwillingness or inability to think for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:18:49 2015 No.2562552 File: 38 KB, 500x750, AiShinozaki3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You guys need to relax.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:20:48 2015 No.2562557 >>2561865 I said this thread sucks, and you tell me that I'm part of the problem? 0/10

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:23:54 2015 No.2562559

>>2562557
What, are you arguing that simply posting "this thread sucks" was a contribution?

You could've saged it, but no, you gave it new life, and we're literally back to the same fucking argument that ruined the thread in the first place. Yes, you're part of the problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:25:34 2015 No.2562561 >>2562559 >keeps replying >"you're part of the problem" Whatever you say, bud.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 20:59:22 2015 No.2562636

>>2562487
There's a large fear that people have that discussion of the rest of the 6th gen will bring in underage users, which is really rather unfounded because most underage kids would barely remember the 6th gen, if at all, at this point. Keep in mind that 2001 was 14 years ago at this point. People were calling the 5th gen retro long before 2010.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:02:10 2015 No.2562643 >>2562636 And it's worth noting that without Moot around this will likely never change.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:03:18 2015 No.2562646 >>2562636 there's no fear, they just be trolling they trying ta derail discussion into a useless metathread

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:29:21 2015 No.2562704 I recently got a dreamcast and just beat JSR. Absolutely fantastic game filled with character, I'm ready to buy the sequel. Also I got a third party Jumper Pack, but it refuses to work nor is it recognized by the dreamcast at all. Any ideas?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 02:38:15 2015 No.2563285

I bought one in '99 shortly after release. All my dude friends came over and they were FREAKING OUT over how awesome looking Soul Calibur's graphics were on my roommates 36" Trinitron. Our pad was the place where everybody came to smoke pot and play vidya. Soul Calibur, NFL 2K (4 player, fuck yeah!), Dead or Alive 2 (also 4 player, fuck yeah!), Crazy Taxi, and for chill comfy time, Wild Metal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 02:44:52 2015 No.2563303 File: 407 KB, 1280x1024, ME0001300391_2[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wild Metal had really bland graphics, but it was fun to veg out playing it... you could go at a slow pace if you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 03:09:21 2015 No.2563331 >>2559281 It's true. My big brother burnt all the PS1 games after we rented them once. Taught me how to work them, too. That kind of thing was REALLY common since it was REALLY easy.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 04:02:44 2015 No.2563401
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>>2559809
>>>2560801

Good to know! I'll have to check it out ASAP. Sometimes games get overhype because of nostolgia and wind up not living up to expectations. I'm going to expect a decent game and hope to be retro-wowed.

Pc related! Retro-wow wallpaper.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 22:29:36 2015 No.2565162

>>2554489
Dreamcast is a wonderful machine. Didn't get one for years -- I'd play MVC2 and Sonic Adventure on my sister's boyfriend's DC, and I had a friend that I'd do multiplayer in Fur Fighters with.

when I played the SA1 demo at a Toys 'R Us back in '99, I wanted the fucking thing so badly
parents said no (I did get a GBC that Christmas though, so it wasn't all bad)

finally got a DC in 2012, emulated for a few years before that

My favorite game on the machine is Virtual On Oratorio Tangram. I wish 5.66 had a DC port so much. Crazy Taxi is a close second, I can play that game for ages (not terrible at it either, my high score is $11k, I want to try to get $15k at the very least if I can't get good enough to pass $20k).

>>2560801
>Grandia 2 is a solid JRPG, pretty enjoyable I think
this
speaking of which, I still need to finish it, I dunno why I stopped playing
bought it on a whim and it's very charming and likable

>>2559896
DC sales started off extremely well and dried up the closer to the PS2's release you get.

>>2562487
DC's retro because it died early. That's it.
In an alternate universe where it succeeded and Sega continued to make hardware, it probably wouldn't be for discussion in /vr/, since it'd have extended solidly into the 6th gen (and much of /v/'s userbase would have played and owned one and probably talk about it there instead).

one could also make the argument that it came out in '99, before the cutoff something which the other machines lack
as for why '99, why not? /vr/ needs a cutoff somewhere, otherwise it's just /v2/
and you can argue that it's a cutoff because it's the end of that decade

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 01:04:35 2015 No.2565440 If anyone's interested, a decent release for Sonic Adventure 2 just came out. It's a NoBS one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:06:28 2015 No.2565753 File: 56 KB, 605x454, dog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2565440 Where version is it? I can't look it up by myself, I just can't!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:30:22 2015 No.2565785 >>2558224 >Frame Gride Just started playing this yesterday. Really fun once you get used to the controls. Loving the customisation available.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:34:42 2015 No.2565795 >>2559195 As defined by its game library.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 06:43:34 2015 No.2565813 >>2559049 Grandia II is one of the last JRPG titles I played from beginning to end, it's a very underrated game.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 09:30:49 2015 No.2565992

>>2565795
That doesn't make any sense. That definition isn't applied to any other console here, and it also includes games made after 1999 if that's where you're going with this. The rule specifically states "With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro;"" your alternative explanations (which don't work) don't matter, an actual reason has been given. The problem is that this reason is ALSO flimsy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:02:52 2015 No.2566040 >>2565992 who cares?

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:20:19 2015 No.2566059

>>2566040
If a mod posted "With the announcement of the NX, GameCube, and Wii are now considered retro, but the GBA and beyond still aren't" would you also dopily gurgle ":) It's the rules! Who cares why?" despite that rule also having no foundation on sense whatsoever?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:33:43 2015 No.2566081 >>2566059 It doesn't have to make sense to you. You are getting really worked up about one specific rule on a website that was created to share pictures of chinese cartoons. There are more important things in life to get worked up about.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 10:48:27 2015 No.2566095

>>2566081
It only has to make sense to a completely anonymous and likely random mod, whose judgment and authority you consider unquestionable and absolute? "Some random guy decided X is true, so I guess it is! :)"

>a website that was created to share pictures of chinese cartoons.
Haha pretty ridiculous amirite? Of course, that trivialization equally applies to everyone adamantly defending it as well, but you go ahead and pretend it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 12:16:34 2015 No.2566215 File: 383 KB, 1970x1104, DC_collection.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's a slightly older pic of my Dreamcast collection. I bought 95% of these back in the day when the system was still "thinking".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 13:24:35 2015 No.2566318 >>2554489 I love my DC, especially now that I got the Broadband Adapter so I can play PSO and develop games for it faster.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 13:40:02 2015 No.2566334 >>2566215 >3tb with the Project Berkley disc noice

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:50:55 2015 No.2566429 File: 995 KB, 257x194, 1436635378524.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2566215 >Record of Lodoss War

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:51:58 2015 No.2566430 >>2565440 is it on IsoZone?

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 16:28:24 2015 No.2566642

>>2565753
>>2566430
It's on the google spreadsheet. Look in the archive for previous dreamcast threads to find it. Don't wanna get banned for spam.

In case people here don't know, /vr/ anons have been compiling releases from ReviveDC groups and others and putting them in a spreadsheet with MEGA links since TIZ servers are terrible at everything ever.

If you guys have backups of things that aren't there, contribution is always appreciated.

It's pretty good, actually! I think it's the only release out there that's not in mono or with non-looping music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 17:50:03 2015 No.2566814 >>2566334 I got that for like $4.99 at Half Price books. There was a loose copy of the JPN version of Guilty Gear X in the jewel case as well.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:20:48 2015 No.2567090

>>2566095

You're a completely anonymous and random person. Everyone on 4chan is. Your opinions are no more valid than some random mod or some random user.

Again, it doesn't have to make sense to you, you can either deal with it or find someplace else to post.

Your attention seeking behavior is not welcome.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:28:20 2015 No.2567227

>>2567090
Expressing a minority opinion is not "attention seeking behavior." "That put-down didn't work, let's try this" over and over, on the other hand, suggests a lack of actual rebuttal.

>Your opinions are no more valid than some random mod or some random user.

Exactly--one guy pulls a rule out of his ass that's no more or less valid than mine or anyone else's (except fo the whole "doesn't subscribe to any apparent reasoning" part), yet because of his mod status, not only does it "count," countless other random users TREAT IT as if it had greater validity. You're actually beginning to grasp my perspective--don't fight it, keep going!

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:35:57 2015 No.2567250

>>2567227

You're right on exactly one count - you do have a minority opinion. As in, literally just you.

And one guy's rule is more valid than yours because that one guy is part of the cabal that runs the website you're shitposting on.

You're free to make another chan somewhere with a /vr/ that has NO DREAMCAST ALLOWED in big letters at the top, but until then you just have to deal with the fact that the DC is retro and /vr/ is where we're gonna talk about it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:38:44 2015 No.2567258

>>2567250

>You're free to make another chan somewhere with a /vr/ that has NO DREAMCAST ALLOWED in big letters at the top, but until then you just have to deal with the fact that the DC is retro and /vr/ is where we're gonna talk about it.

> deal with the fact that the DC is retro and /vr/ is where we're gonna talk about it

this is literally all that has to be said about the retarded "argument" so you two idiots can shut the fuck up now please

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 20:57:54 2015 No.2567296

>>2567250
The funny thing is that some people insist I must hate the Dreamcast and want it barred (if you'd paid attent, you'd notice I profressed a love of DC and enjoy discussing it), while others accuse me of solely wanting Halo threads in /vr/. As long as I'm "wrong" in people's eyes, the particulars don't really matter; I disagree with you and I must be punished for the things you PRESUME I believe or say.

I don't know how to make this any clearer: it's not about barring one console or allowing in another. It's about having rules that make sense. If the rest of you are going to vehemently uphold these rules as if they were divine, you should at least hold them to a higher standard. It's as if an office kitchen has a policy that states "donuts are allowed but other breakfast sweets aren't, the reason being that non-dairy cheese is now a thing." If there was a legitimate reason for banning only certain types of breakfast sweets, that'd be one thing, but how on earth does this make sense? Even if you hate sweets except for donuts, you shouldn't feel good about upholding this nonsense.

>literally just you
nope

>it's the rule, follow it don't question it
>you're in the minority, therefore you are wrong
>you have an unpopular opinion you are a monster who only seeks to cause trouble
It sincerely troubles me that some of you actively participate in real-world society.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 21:38:41 2015 No.2567390 >>2566642 thank you based-anon

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 00:28:31 2015 No.2567710
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>feels, the game
this game legit makes you fear for your little life
i just got out of the first area and that fucker flying around scared the shit out of me

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 03:27:40 2015 No.2567930

>>2567390
No problems, man. I just feel like it needs to be kept in circulation since there are still some games to be added there. Lots of people tried making some other DC threads in the past to get the ball rolling but most of them were deleted on sight and got people range banned.

NoBS is pretty much the successor to ReviveDC, so people have been keeping in touch with the guy. I hear he's doing Surf Rocket Racers next.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:21:24 2015 No.2567980

>>2567296
>nope
yeah, just you and a bunch of other newfriends who don't understand the logic behind the Dreamcast being retro.

the Dreamcast came out before the turn of the 21st century, you can't apply this argument on the Gamecube or GBA. your analogy sucks, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 04:29:50 2015 No.2567993 >>2567296 wow, son, that's pathetic. grow up

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 10:53:34 2015 No.2568434

>>2567980
> don't understand the logic behind the Dreamcast being retro

If this thread has demonstrated anything, it's that no one here truly does. There are broadly two types of people. To start with, people like you, who believe:

>the Dreamcast came out before the turn of the 21st century, you can't apply this argument on the Gamecube or GBA

If that was the sole reasoning, that would be fine(?)... but then, why does the sticky rule specifically cite the introduction of 8th gen as the reason DC is allowed? If "21st century" was all it took, it wouldn't be necessary to factor 8th gen in at all. In addition, keep in mind that the Dreamcast was initially barred despite the "21st century" factor, and according to the sticky, it was only let in with the introduction of new hardware. This sets a precedent that should concern people who believe "retro" is defined by what side of 1999 something is on, because the sticky demonstrates that with new hardware, more previous consoles will be bumped down into "retro" status.

Then there are people who argue that "retro" is not determined by the year 1999, it's determined by the limited power or scope of a console or certain styles of games. These people should really ask themselves why, if that logic is in play, the overall-similar GameCube is excluded, or the GBA--which is far more "retro" by their definition than the DC is. If they really believe retro is a "style," they should wonder why a board dedicated to that style bars games and platforms that fit that style to a tee.

Just the fact that there are different interpretations, none of which are consistently fully supported by the rules as written, clearly shows that the rules as written are flawed and need revision; if not, /vr/'s headed for a much bigger problem come ninth gen. My personal stake in what gets included and/or excluded is irrelevant; I'll play by/support the rules as long as the rules are constructed soundly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 10:56:04 2015 No.2568440 >>2568434 Because Retro is supposed to be a 13 year difference, but the sticky hasn't been updated in two years, it's supposed to be 2002, literally from all sources I know, it's supposed to be 13 years.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:01:40 2015 No.2568456

I just really wish my Dreamcast thread hadn't been shitted up by people bitching over the rules. The way I see it, it says Dreamcast counts as retro for this board but not other systems so just leave it at that. Why did they make that decision? Who cares? Just follow it or find another site.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:03:15 2015 No.2568459

>>2568440
>Because Retro is supposed to be a 13 year difference, but the sticky hasn't been updated in two years, it's supposed to be 2002, literally from all sources I know, it's supposed to be 13 years.

Show us your sources, man. And though no one will challenge you in this thread (because you're against me, which makes you "with" them... for now), there will be people who will argue/have argued that after a certain point, games "can't" be retro regardless of how old they are...

Good to see someone finally acknowledging that the sticky is flawed, at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:04:25 2015 No.2568462 >>2568456 >just leave it at that. Why did they make that decision? Who cares? Just follow it You seem PROUD to have this mentality.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:05:14 2015 No.2568463

>>2568434
I find that with the GBA, even though it's games look kind of "retro" they tend to have much more modern design to the games so they don't feel like retro games.

Personally I think there should be two retro boards. One for "old retro" covering Atari to Genesis/SNES era and then another for PS1-PS2 era.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:10:56 2015 No.2568471

>>2568462
I am! This is not a political arena, it's a fucking website. There are millions out there, if you don't like this one you're more than free to find another or make your own with whatever rules you want to have.

But here... here they have set up some boards and specified the topics each of them cover. But instead of people just following that and posting their threads in the appropriate place for it, they all want to make up their own set of rules and then have endless fights about them. Dreamcast should or shouldn't be allowed, GBA should or shouldn't be allowed, etc etc etc. And all we get out of it is endless bitching.

So yeah, I'm very proud of this mentality. I'm not blindly following rules just because they're there. I'm accepting them because they work and when followed, facilitate a better environment for actually talking about games.

Please, if you don't like it here go start your own subreddit or something. 4chan won't miss you at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:13:48 2015 No.2568478 >>2568463 >[GBA games] tend to have much more modern design to the games so they don't feel like retro games More modern than DREAMCAST games? Come on.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:18:51 2015 No.2568489

>>2568471
>And all we get out of it is endless bitching.
You don't seem to understand my intent. A lot of endless bitching would stop if rules were 100% clear and completely consistent with one another.

>"they work and when followed"
The problem is that the rules DON'T work and thus CAN'T be followed. Forget the Dreamcast itself for a moment--think about all the other threads that derail because someone argues that a game published after a certain year isn't retro despite being on a retro platform, or ports aren't retro (or are retro) because of vague phrasing in the rules about "forms of a game." This shit is neverending and a lot of it could go away if it was simply clarified. ("My interpretation is the correct one, end of story" is not a clarification.)

>Why did they make that decision? Who cares? Just follow it
> I'm not blindly following rules just because they're there.
ok buddy

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:20:44 2015 No.2568495

>>2568478
Yes, for real. They are more limited which makes them look like old games graphically, but gameplay changed a lot in the 2000s and GBA went along with that.

Prime example, the Jedi Power Battles games look a little like the old JVC Super Star Wars series, but play completely differently.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:26:06 2015 No.2568508

>>2568489
How is everything up to 1999 including Dreamcast, but nothing else after not clear?

Sure a note as to whether remakes are still fair game might help, but in general we get along fine. Most of this bitching is just bitching for the sake of it. Look at this thread, we can't just talk about Dreamcast, you people have to turn it into a platform to complain about the rules.

But your purpose is just to troll so you can fuck up threads anyways so I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:39:49 2015 No.2568529

>>2568508
Again: if that was all it took, why specifically write "with the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered retro" at all? If "everything up to 1999 including Dreamcast" was it, then that caveat would be completely unnecessary. Instead, it opens the door to allow more consoles into the retro fold as time goes on, compromising "1999 or earlier."

I can't tell if you call me a "troll" because you're not up to considering my argument, if you consider points of view not your own to be "trolls," or if you think "troll!" legitimately discredits the target.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:54:47 2015 No.2568545

>>2568529
>>2568529
Yes the language implies that at a future time more consoles will be considered retro. It's perfectly reasonable to think that in 2055 the Gamecube will probably be considered a retro console. But the point is that right now, according to the arbitrary rules of this specific board it's not. That's all that matters. If you want a Gamecube thread, there's /v/ and /vg/ right there for you. Incidentally we have had a number of very successful GBA generals on /vg/.

I call you a troll because I think you know in your heart that you're not doing anything good for this board and especially this topic. You don't like the board rules so you're using this thread as an opportunity to talk about how you think they should be different. You're not letting the thread be about it's actual topic and you're doing it on purpose. That's trolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:55:30 2015 No.2568546 >>2554489 >Love the Dreamcast. >Broke at the moment, so downloaded nullDC to replay some of my favorite titles. >Boot up Soul Calibur, laggy as shit (tbf, my computer is a toaster). >Boot up Resident Evil 3, runs just fine. Nani?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:57:35 2015 No.2568550 >>2568546 I need to figure out how to make a boot disk again. The old one I burned a decade ago isn't working anymore and now I can't play KoFs 2000-2002 or my other import games.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:57:40 2015 No.2568551

>>2568545
For the umpteenth time, it's not about wanting a GameCube thread or not wanting a Dreamcast thread. It's about wanting clear, consistent rules. I don't see how a reasonable person can interpret wanting this for /vr/ to be "not doing anything good for this board."

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 11:58:14 2015 No.2568553

I don't want to get into this argument but I'd just like to say I think splitting us up for more boards is probably the best solution. Kind of like futaba or 2ch. We can have /v/, /vg/, /vr1/ for anything below 99' and /vr2/ or whatever name for anything 2000-2006ish.

Then again, this does bring up a lot of issues.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:03:14 2015 No.2568560

>>2568551
If you honestly find the rules that hard to understand I think you have bigger issues than this. It's really not that complicated. The systems released before the turn of 2000 are appropriate for this board. Games that came after 2000 but are for that system are fine.

I've been a /vr/ regular for years and most of the board understands that pretty intrinsically because it's really not hard to wrap your head around.

>>2568553
The problem with that is that /vr/ is already a really slow board so there's not a real need to split it further. /v/ is a good catch all, even though the other game boards tend to all complain about it. And /vg/ is a great place if someone wants a long running dedicated thread to the GBA, PS2, Gamecube, whatever.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:27:26 2015 No.2568605

>>2568560
>Games that came after 2000 but are for that system are fine.
Tell that to people who object to threads dedicated to things like Nightmare Busters--who will condemn the thread not because Nightmare Busters is shit, but because Nightmare Busters "is not retro." There are even people who will say exactly what you've said but will STILL consider such games ineligible.

Tell that to people who will argue up and down whether or not discussion of Super Mario All-Stars (Wii edition) is "allowed" despite the game being IDENTICAL to its SNES cart counterpart, as one side believes the platform renders it ineligible while another believes it falls under the category of "any other form of a game," this being a straight port of a decidedly retro title.

I've been a regular /vr/ user for years as well, and I've seen countless arguments all rooted in nebulous rule language and the various interpretations it allows for.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:30:54 2015 No.2568610

>>2568551

>For the umpteenth time, it's not about wanting a GameCube thread or not wanting a Dreamcast thread. It's about wanting clear, consistent rules.

Why are you complaining about /vr/ rules in a Dreamcast thread? That's not the topic of the thread, the Sega Dreamcast is. You should make your own /vr/ rules thread.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:31:26 2015 No.2568612

>>2568605
Stop fucking backseat moderating holy shit go choke on 40 dicks.

There's no way you've been a /vr/ user for years because the board isn't even two years old.

The rules are pretty fucking clear, all you're doing is shitting up a completely valid thread that clearly follows the stated rules.

Why don't you go into the Doom general thread and tell them to move to /vg/ means it's a fucking general thread and we have a whole board dedicated to that horseshit?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:36:08 2015 No.2568621

>>2568610
The Dreamcast Rule is one that demonstrates how convoluted and arbitrary the rules are.

"The rules are not clear, as many /vr/ users have demonstrated"
>>2568612
>yes they are!

Well, you sure showed me! And my goodness, FORTY dicks? I was not prepared for such inflammatory rebuttal! Rage triumphs over reason--you've bested me, good sir!

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:39:04 2015 No.2568627

>>2568621
For the most part we understand the rules and don't have a lot of trouble with it. Most people accept that remakes of retro games are cool to talk about here and that's why the M2 Sega 3D classics threads have all been so good.

It's when people like you come along who just get something stuck in your craw because you can't just go with the flow. At this point I really just think you should find another forum. 4chan does not seem well suited to you at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:42:12 2015 No.2568635 >>2568621 >"The rules are not clear, as many /vr/ users have demonstrated" Its only a handful of idiots who have trouble with this.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:47:02 2015 No.2568643

>>2568627
>that's why the M2 Sega 3D classics threads have all been so good.
>It's when people like you come along

Man, you don't know how off base you are. I can't tell you how many times I've enjoyed discussions about various games until someone innocently mentions a 3D Classics port--it's not even the focal point of the thread, someone just mentions that it exists--and the thread goes to shit because someone will not only argue it's not retro, but that it's technically not even really, truly that game at all. I understand the appeal of having a singular boogeyman, but I am not the one person, or even one type of person, that is responsible for all ills surrounding the issue, and attempting to address the issue itself does not make me a badman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:48:47 2015 No.2568649 ITT: autistic threadshitters

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:53:23 2015 No.2568667

>>2568643
I feel like we're visiting different /vr/'s. That happens sometimes, but it's nowhere near as rampant and there's been a dedicated M2 thread almost every time one of their 3D remakes has been put out and they've all been largely positive.

My point is still that this was supposed to be a Dreamcast appreciation thread but has now been turned into a bitchfest over the rules. All I want is more discussion of Dreamcast and less debate over changing the board rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 12:56:01 2015 No.2568674 >>2568667 All I want is fixing the board rules; I guess none of us always get what we want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:30:07 2015 No.2568757 >>2568674 > If I can't get my way, no one can have any fun! Fuck you and people like you. You're a petulant child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:44:55 2015 No.2568779 >>2568757 OP here seconding this. Thank you so much for shitting all over my thread with your endless complaining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:48:22 2015 No.2568785 >>2554489 What are some cool Dreamcast games? I've only played SA1 and SA2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 13:53:06 2015 No.2568794 >>2568785 What genres are you into?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:01:52 2015 No.2568814 >>2568757 It's easy to disparage someone by completely misrepresenting their entire argument. Your "paraphrasing" equally applies to the person I'm applying to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:03:46 2015 No.2568818 >>2568794 I don't really know the names of genres very well. I like shooters (FPS or TPS), games like ratchet and clank and sonic/mario(platformer?). I dislike horror/scary games, a lot. Other genres depend on the specific game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:06:02 2015 No.2568825 Armada and Zombie Revenge are awesome games. Its refreshing how arcadey and coop-centric sega games were. Its cool knowing that after a few lives/continues you can be done

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:44:36 2015 No.2569117

>>2568785
Actually, there's this one list that was shared a couple of DC threads ago that is pretty good to get you started.

http://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2009/09/dreamcast-top-100-as-voted-by-you.html

Also, not to derail the thread further, but I think what's damaging about this situation is that mods seem to not listen to their own rules. Like I said, more than 5 dreamcast threads were deleted one after the other, while there were no DC threads around. I got banned for making a thread that lasted until deletion and mods thought I was ban evading because other people tried to make new threads.

It's not like people here don't want to talk about it, but stunts like that definitely doesn't encourage people to keep making them. A lot of dreamcast discussion had to be moved to the other /vr/ as a result.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:52:00 2015 No.2569140 >>2569117 Thanks for the list. is the other /vr/ on infinity

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 15:59:22 2015 No.2569169 >>2559839 >didn't focus on cinematic Does Shenmue not exist anymore?

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:04:28 2015 No.2569184

>>2568825
I hate the fact that some sites diss on Zombie Revenge for being "clunky". There's a shit ton of stuff going on while you're playing it, like the special moves you can perform and the fact that you can actually aim better when shooting.
>>2569140
Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 16:16:54 2015 No.2569227 >>2559839 >>2569169 >Parasite Eve >Metal Gear Solid >Resident Evil >Siphon Filter >every RPG The PS1 is not retro, I guess

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:17:39 2015 No.2569810

>>2569169

Do you even know what the word "focus" means?

Ok you tard, take a look at the entire Dreamcast library and tell me how many of the games were arcade games vs how many were RPGs or "cinematic" games.

Outside of something like the Neo Geo (which is literally just arcade hardware crammed into a console) there is no other library with a higher percentage of arcade games and straight ports.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:26:41 2015 No.2569831 Guys something strange happened today, after playing 1 hour at soul reaver i touched the disc tray, just touched it, and the DC reset itself.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 19:51:27 2015 No.2569894

>>2569831

Has your DC ever reset itself before? Random resets are a known problem with older DCs. Luckily, it's a super easy fix that doesn't require any special tools.

Did it reset as in go through the bootup menu, or did it just drop you to the system menu? If it did that than maybe you touched it hard enough to bump the lid sensor so the system thought that the lid had been opened.

Alternately, you are electro and had enough static electricity built up in your hands to zap the system into a reboot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 20:47:52 2015 No.2570036 >>2569810 >arcade game ports are the measure by which something is retro now This would disqualify a lot more than just gen 6+.

comradesnarky Tue Jul 28 00:34:45 2015 No.2570850

>>2566642
The only 80 minute single disc release, yeah. It was a bitch to keep the stereo audio there. I think it took like two weeks from when someone first gave me enough encouragement on here to actually do SA2 and then to finishing it. I think it's honestly probably the best rip I've done from a "getting everything to fit" standpoint.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 28 00:43:44 2015 No.2570868 >>2568463 >One for "old retro" covering Atari to Genesis/SNES era and then another for PS1-PS2 era. Where does that leave the Saturn?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:05:04 2015 No.2573253 File: 248 KB, 1024x1275, The Ancient Prince.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 00:14:09 2015 No.2573281 Well the AVGN just said that the Dreamcast barely has any shitty games, that's something.

>>	2549688 Wed Jul 29 00:55:50 2015 No.2573370 >>2555643 Hey jackass! Ylur Nintendo 64 was a fucking failure face it! I bet you never even played none of the fucking games on it and waspart of those popular kids crowd that likes DBZ and no other better shows!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 01:01:18 2015 No.2573378 >>2573281 just stop

>>	2549688 Wed Jul 29 01:05:06 2015 No.2573387 >>2558224 Well actually speaking of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, if you happen to get the "For Matching Service" version it really comes with VGA Box support and Online play (though sadly it's unavailable i think)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 29 22:34:35 2015 No.2575753 >>2554650 Oh man.. this game is excellent. Probably my favorite gundam game even to today. If only there were a few more buttons on the twin stick controller or some peripheral made for it...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 00:08:12 2015 No.2575931 >>2567980 NoBS ftw

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 09:59:05 2015 No.2576540
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I have two first party Dreamcast lightguns (the ones not released in the US because Columbine).

I'm not much of a lightgun guy (and they only work with Virtua Cop 2 and imports). Are they worth anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:19:02 2015 No.2576580 >>2562450 to be finicky, retro gaming ended whit the 4st era, 4st was the last 2d focused era.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 10:34:14 2015 No.2576596 >>2576580 That's not finicky, it's dumb. The argument is already over. >>2576540 If you sell these, make sure to let the buyer know which games they work with so they don't try to get a refund because they're "broken".

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:14:57 2015 No.2577061

>>2559264

People have always pirated games, for every system since the dawn of computers and consoles. People always will. This is a simple fact of economics, because a lot of people don't want to pay the prices of official retail software. Hell most of you are too young to remember, but a lot of the games you could buy in the early 80s, even from legitimate stores, were pirate copies. Back before the corporate chains and huge publishers, you went to little independent stores or market stalls for your games, and they would just have boxes and boxes of duped cassettes with photocopied covers.

If you (I mean the reader here, not the guy I'm replying to) think piracy has ever actually contributed significantly to the downfall of a system like the Dreamcast, you should kill yourself. I literally mean it. It's consumer sheep assholes like you who allowed publishers to put the games industry where it is today, with our always online DRM bullshit and "content delivery platforms", trying to monetise fucking mods and charge us for "DLC" that should have been there to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 16:27:01 2015 No.2577081 I decided to pull out my Dreamcast today and play Shenmue. I opened it up and my Jet Grind Radio disc was still in there. Now I can't find my Jet Grind Radio case and I'm really bummed about that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 30 17:58:02 2015 No.2577225 >>2556545 fun fact: Burning this game on CD results in longer load times (manageable) and less buttery smooth framerates as compared to the GD-ROM It's still manageable on CD, but it's solid 60fps and almost instant load times with the pressed GD.

comradesnarky Thu Jul 30 23:46:47 2015 No.2577848

>>2577225
Really? I never burned a copy, odd to think a CD would affect loading times to that extent, even if CDs read at half the speed of a GD-ROM. I've been wanting to do a rip of this, I don't think anyone except one of the early scene groups did it. Maybe a sort order and a dummy file would help.

>>	comradesnarky Thu Jul 30 23:50:23 2015 No.2577852 >>2577848 Err, sorry didn't mean loading times so much as frame rate. Loading times obviously get affected there.

Anonymous Thu Jul 30 23:58:10 2015 No.2577867

>>2577852
I suppose it depends on how much the game loads data off the disc in real time. A GDROM's data is packed tighter than a CD-R after all, which gives it faster loading times, I imagine. Correct?

If the only rip's an old scene rip, that might be why performance is wonky, though.

comradesnarky Fri Jul 31 00:27:52 2015 No.2577929

>>2577867
The data is more tightly packed yes, but the real kicker is the read speed. GD-ROMs are read at 12x, CDs only read at 6x. That's why occasionally you'll see rips where some assets have to be handled in a special manner due to the read speed difference. I had to rearrange a couple of files in the Sonic Adventure 2 rip I put out a while ago because they were lagging from the difference in read speed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:27:35 2015 No.2578021 >>2577929 Ah, interesting.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:29:09 2015 No.2578025

Dreamcast > PS2

During the Dreamcast / PS2 era I actually used my ps2 as a stand for my Dreamcast.

And then when the DC died I did most of my gaming on OG Xbox and GCN. It's funny how Sony had the highest selling console that gen, but certainly not the best console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:35:18 2015 No.2578034 >>2578025 Is silly how people were buying PS2 just to watch The Matrix on DVD, I mean, buying a game console to watch movies was truly the beginning of the end for video games.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:44:11 2015 No.2578051
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>>2578025

This is lame.

You don't have to "hate" the PS2 if you're a Dreamcast aficionado. It's a solid system with a lot of really good games (including a lot of really good Sega games). The PS2 was certainly a contributing factor in the death of the Dreamcast but Sony literally did nothing wrong. Both Sony and Sega are businesses, and they were both doing everything they could to make sure that they came out on top.

The console wars are over, neglecting one console over another out of some ancient rivalry is just being shortsighted. Both systems compliment each other very well, but if you have to choose between systems for a game I can't think of a single one that plays or performs better on the PS2, they're all better on the Dreamcast.

I will admit that it is pretty amusing that the PS2 makes an excellent Dreamcast stand, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:49:21 2015 No.2578064 >>2578025 >It's funny how Sony had the highest selling console that gen, but certainly not the best console. So what is the best Sony console?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:50:56 2015 No.2578067

>>2578051

Whoa. Calm down there Sony Pony. I don't "hate" any console. I just know that the PS2 is the most overrated gaming console in video game history.

And I know that because I'm not a brand loyalist. I buy all consoles and PC. Only a Sony Pony would be so defensive about a truthful statement. Sony consoles are always overrated. And their best games are available on better systems and PC. Stop with the console wars kid. People have different opinions than you. Deal with it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:53:28 2015 No.2578071

>>2578064

None of the above.

During the PS1 era, Saturn was better for 2D games and fighting games, and N64 was better for 3D and multi player games.

During the PS2 era, the Dreamcast was better in every regard, and so was the Game Cube and the Xbox.

Anything beyond that is not retro. Sony is like the McDonalds of gaming. They mass produce crap for the hungry, brainless masses who love to eat shit.

Anyway, let's get off this subject. Sorry OP. Didn't mean to derail your thread. I had no idea the Sony fanatics would go so crazy.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 01:59:54 2015 No.2578089

What use would I have for the broadband adapter? A friend is offering to sell me his for $20? What would I do with it now that the console has been offline for years? Is it considered collectible? The only reason I might buy it is because it's one of the few things I don't have in my DC collection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:04:00 2015 No.2578104 >>2578089 You can play PSO on private servers, and use the browser. Depending on the game you can download stuff straight to your VMU.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:10:33 2015 No.2578116 >>2578104 >PSO private servers. I've heard about this. Are there any that are still active? I have both versions of PSO for DC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:20:17 2015 No.2578127 >>2578067 >>2578071 Is this some stealth postmodern shitposting? I'm impressed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 02:22:50 2015 No.2578132 >>2578116 Isn't schthack still up? They had DC and GC compatability. Dunno about the other one, Ulitma? I dunno, there's probably still servers that run it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 06:22:59 2015 No.2578396 how do you burn actual booting cdrs for the dreamcast using linux?

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 10:05:12 2015 No.2578668

>>2578396

> Install Gent... Windows.

I've heard good things about K3b as a burning program but have had no experience with it.

My Dreamcast's laser finally died last night. Cleaning it was unsuccessful and it refuses to boot both CDRs and retail discs. Forlorn, I checked the tracking page on the GDEMU I ordered and saw

> Your item has been processed through our sort facility in ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS) at 2:53 am on July 31, 2015.

It should be here within a week or so. I'm pretty excited.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 19:56:15 2015 No.2579708 File: 135 KB, 341x311, 1437519026960.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2566814 >half price books That place use to rip me off

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 22:12:36 2015 No.2579905 File: 1.75 MB, 331x240, 1437269370401.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2579708 Oh I feel your pain. Some of their "retro" prices are beyond ridiculous.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 22:29:23 2015 No.2579926

>>2556837
Jet Grind Radio! I played Grandia 2, and it was pretty good, though. the 2edgy main character is tiresome, but all the other characters are worthwhile. story is decent, lots of interesting ideas and a fun battle system.

JGR is godlike, though. the first time I ever broke a controller was playing that game. so hard, and yet so good!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:30:30 2015 No.2580035 >>2579708 They're so fucking hit and miss its ridiculous. Sometimes I can pick up NES games for 5-10 under the market value, other times I see fake Earthbound carts for $300.

Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:35:06 2015 No.2580040

>>2562704
JSRF fixes everything that was irritating about the original, although it does also axe the graphitti mechanic. At first, I was sad, but being able to tag things with a single button press allows for some high speed action that would otherwise be impossible.

It makes me sad that both games are locked onto dead systems. I would love HD remakes of both for modern systems

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 31 23:38:52 2015 No.2580046 >>2580040 Well, JSR is on steam, so that's something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:33:16 2015 No.2580174 >>2580046 just checked PSN, and its up there, too. I used to have it on IOS, but I think it broke with IOS8, and Sega has pulled it from the Appstore ;_; now... where to get JRS Future...

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 00:38:54 2015 No.2580191 >>2580174 Recently picked up a complete JSRF/Sega GT 2002 for 3 bucks at a local bookstore. Pretty pleased about that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 1 22:40:42 2015 No.2582448 >>2578089 A broadband adapter for $20? Wow, lucky. There are a bunch of games to try out. Run a search for the dreamcast online consoles page.

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