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2505613 No.2505613 [Reply] [Original]

Who else here finds the NES Mario games to be difficult? I just can't get the hang of the weighty platforming physics. I can't control Mario's momentum well.

I actually find Super Ghouls and Ghosts on Snes to be easier. How to git gud at NES Mario?

>> No.2505617

You gotta feel it, Son.

>> No.2505619

>>2505613
use save states and a guide

>> No.2505632

>>2505619
Save states are only gonna fuck up his flow except maybe to continue at the beginning of the level not the world. To truly enjoy it to its max you gotta fly through it. Studying level maps would for sure help though.

>> No.2505636

>>2505619
Nah I can't do that. Save states is way too damn cheap. I feel guides is okay though. Doesn't feel cheating to me.

>> No.2505647

Play The Lost Levels for a few worlds, then go back to SMB1.

>> No.2505653

>>2505619
>save states
those really fuck my shit up
I'll confuse saving a state with saving in-game, do the wrong thing, and lose progress
also it screws up my flow

I savescummed my way through DKC2 and after beating the game I realized I had zero fun ;_;

>> No.2505659

>>2505636
it must be nice living in a world where something doesn't count as cheating just because you say so

>> No.2505660

>>2505613

I honestly can't play SMB1. I can't beat Bowser's Castles. I used to be able to beat the first one but somehow I got worse.

I always use up all my lives and get sent to the start.

>>2505619

Why do you need a manual? It's not difficult to understand, it's just difficult to time your movement and avoid enemies

>> No.2505673

You can run through most of the levels in SMB. Just hold down B and the game becomes a lot easier.

>> No.2505675

>>2505659
When it comes to playing retro videogames in his spare time, who's definition of cheating really matters?

>> No.2505679

>>2505675
if you're so unconcerned with what others think, why are you so desperately defending your cheating on a public imageboard full of strangers?

>> No.2505683

>>2505675
>who's
Nice English, retard. I bet you also think copying off of tests in school isn't cheating.

>> No.2506094

>>2505659
Maybe I misunderstood you a bit on the using guides part. I have no issue using guides as in to help me beat a difficult area. Like say a guide on youtube on how to beat a boss. A strategy guide as well. I think that is fine.
>>2505679
>>2505683
That was someone else. Not me.

>> No.2506120

I can beat them, but yes.

I recognize that they're not really difficult, but I'm just (comparatively) shit at Mario for some reason.

>> No.2506131

Keep playing. Just keep playing over and over. I think it is harder as an adult to have this patience since we have less time for games and don't remember when we'd play the same stages over and over as kids in order to get better.

I don't know what guides could really help with directly beyond finding warp zones and hidden blocks. Some games can benefit from seeing how someone else maneuvers through a certain part, but the first Mario is fairly straightforward. Just keep playing and if you get stuck, find someone playing that particular part on YouTube. You can call it cheating, I guess, but in the end you still have to perform the maneuvers yourself. If just watching someone play a game for ideas were truly cheating, then 1CCing a shmup would be a meaningless achievement since everyone who had access to YouTube could pull it off in a day.

>> No.2506180

>>2505613
Get used to the inertia
Don't rush

>> No.2506304

>>2506131
>1CCing a shmup would be a meaningless achievement
I got some bad news

>> No.2506319

>used to be able to clock smb1, 2, 3 and world in a day
>only able to beat 1 and world without spending hours on it
I feel I let myself down somewhere

>> No.2506326

Any emulator assistance is cheating obviously, you're just making excuses. "Oh well if I save here it doesn't really matter, and fast forwarding doesn't change anything"

You're not playing through the game, you're cheating. Admit it

>> No.2506343

>>2505619
Here's a complete guide to SMB:
>press A to jump
>press B to run or to throw a fireball
>shrooms are good (but not the brown ones)
>turtles are bad

Hope it can help.

>> No.2506378

every time i replay i it i go in thinking "well got a few hours to kill, lets play through it real quick"
and then reality hits me again

>> No.2506403

>>2505659
savestates are lame as fuck bro
also stopping everynow and then to use my keyboard? fuck that id rather do it the hard way

>> No.2506565

Some Super Mario Bros tips, especially if you're bad at the game:
>don't use the shortcut in 1-1, because you'll miss the opportunity at better power-ups and a 1up mushroom that's hiding in a block just after a push before the first bottomless pit
>in 1-2 there's a 1 up mushroom on the very last ceiling tile above this set of floating bricks, you can follow it to a gap and catch it or get lucky and break the bricks so it drops down immediately
>4-2 has 2 warp zones, there's one in a similar location to the one in 1-2, but it only goes to world 5, but there's another near the beginning of the stage after the first set of orange platforms accessible through a beanstalk that goes to 6,7, and 8
>8-2 is the hardest stage in the game, but there's a 1up somewhere near the beginning that you should always try to snag so that you can keep repeating it.
>beware of Hammer Bros

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2506583

>>2505613
>I actually find Super Ghouls and Ghosts on Snes to be easier.

Yeah, no.

>> No.2506594

I really don't get this "SMB is hard" meme. I thought people were trolling because until a couple months ago I've never heard anyone say that. Is this something a Youtube show covered recently? Except for a stray hammer thrown at you, you have to basically walk into most deaths. If you get extra lives in 3-1, then there's really no worries. Hardest stage I can think of is maybe 7-2, I think? The grey one with flying fish. Castle levels are generally easier than the normal stages, hardest part is the timing of the swinging fireballs.

I understand the whole "Nintendo hard" thing, but not with SMB, not at all.

>> No.2506595

>>2505613
LOL

>> No.2506607

>>2506326
>This is supposedly the hardest game on system X
>I make use of save states for the purpose of making this Youtube video
Makes me chuckle every time

>> No.2506620

>>2505613
When I was a little kid, I remember beating the first Mario countless times. Now, as an adult, I can never get past 8-2 or 8-3.

>> No.2506639

>>2505613
every mario game is shit beside smw. the only game beside the main series worth a fuck is mario kart 64 but crash team racing is better than it.

>> No.2506665

>>2506595
I agree.

>> No.2506736

I am happy to see I am not the only person that sucks at this game.

I nearly beat the All Stars remake a few years ago however I can't beat the original. I own it on the GBC and on Virtual Console but it's impossible. You start out with only three or four lives. When you die you have to start from level 1. How am I supposed to beat it? Even with all the shortcut pipes I still die somewhere along the way. I beat 64, Sunshine, and 3D World but the original is just hard. Actually, it's not 'hard' even. It's easy however it's also easy to die

>> No.2506743

>>2506736
Find all the hidden 1ups, and grab as many coins as you can. You'll have around 10-12 lives to play with throughout the course of the game, assuming you don't do the shell trick, which is for weenies.

>> No.2506756

I think people who grew up with it can't seem to remember how hardcore it actually is. The game is 32 levels on a single continue with a couple of lives. It completely overshadows supposedly hard games on the NES like Castlevania or Mega Man with their short stages and unlimited continues. Hell, I'll take Ghosts and Goblins over this game, I'm sick of doing the same lives collecting shit on world 1 over and over. It's a platformer where you have to grind to be safe, never a good idea.

>> No.2506776

>>2506756

you can get more than a couple lives.

I can get through smb1. the difficulty curve is well done - it starts off easy and ramps up, until it gets hardcore around worlds 7 and 8. world 8 is where I lose the most lives.

>> No.2506785

>>2506736
Once you get used to the feel of the game you can get to World 8 without warps and dying only maybe once or twice.

World 8 and parts of World 7 are the only real challenging parts of the game, I find.

>> No.2506793

>>2506756
You understand every 100 coins you get a 1up, right? This is on top of the 1up mushrooms all over the place. If 10 year old me could beat SMB 1, I guarantee you can do it too. I'm not even good at videogames either. SMB2 and 3 are a cake walk afterwards.

>> No.2507050

>>2505636

That's some funny shit. Using a guide or save states are both clearly cheating in every way, practically the definition of cheating, and the last resort if a game is good.

Jesus... kids today.

*gives one final disgusted look before heading out*

>> No.2507054

>>2506756
>Hell, I'll take Ghosts and Goblins over this game,
ah come on. Let's not exaggerate ffs.

>> No.2507086

>>2507050

both are ok if they're used in moderation. guides should be for when you're really stuck, and savestates should be used for convenience. savescumming and relying on guides is not respectable.

>> No.2507092

>>2505619
What the fuck is wrong with you

>> No.2507141

>>2507086
I never said they weren't "ok", I said they're cheating. I never said it's not ok to cheat, lots of games I've cheated at. But to pretend you beat a game without cheating while savestating and using a guide (lel) is ridiculous.

I doubt I will ever beat Battletoads without cheating (savestate). Savestating instead of looking for a point you can save is different of course, but I try to avoid doing that as much as I can. Looking for a point to save or getting setback is sometimes part of the experience.

>> No.2507213

>>2506403
>Not having the spare gamepad buttons mapped to emulator functions like turbo, slowdown, save/load state

I hardly even use the emulator functions, but they're handy as fuck when I do need them.

>> No.2507261

>>2505613
>I actually find Super Ghouls and Ghosts on Snes to be easier.

This has to be trolling.

>> No.2507402

Is there an easy repeatable way to o get past hammer Bros?

>> No.2507404

>>2507402
I know if you time your inputs a specific way they will always spawn in the same places. grab the hidden mushroom in mid level, then just tank the rest of the level.

>> No.2507408

>>2507402
Jump over them and pray they don't jump too.

>> No.2507494

>>2506565

8-2 is hardest? I always have more trouble with the following level honestly

>> No.2508094

>>2507402
Run under them when they are in top and middle line (they should not hit you) then crash the brick wall under them.

>> No.2508110

>>2507141

I agree. my point is that there's a different between mild cheating (using a guide rarely as a last resort, savestating before a difficult part so you don't have to keep replaying the part leading up to it) vs. major cheating.

>> No.2508156

Everyone ITT sees to be forgetting that you can start at the beginning of the world you die on if you lose all your lives, meaning you only have to beat the same 4 consecutive levels in a row to progress through the game.

>> No.2508173

I play super mario deluxe (the game boy color version) with my PSP on the toilet while taking shits, it's quite fun.

>> No.2508850

>>2508173
lol, I do the exact same thing.

Deluxe is also my favorite version of the game (despite the small screen) and the one I played the most as a kid. Did you ever beat all the challenges?Some of those scores are ridiculous.

>> No.2508891

>>2508156
No one is forgetting, we just don't like using cheats to win.

>> No.2509021

>>2508891
>using an in-game function
>cheating

l bet you think getting 1-ups is cheating too.

>> No.2509032

I've finished a couple of times.

I don't really play it much though because I usually get bored about halfway through.

>> No.2509240

>adults having trouble with games that I beat when I was 5

Pathetic.

>> No.2509250

>>2509021
>in-game function
Like a level select code?

>> No.2509258

>>2506736
You couldn't even beat Deluxe? Maybe you should just quit gaming.

>> No.2509290

>>2505613
I liked the physics in the original. The All Stars version on SNES always felt off to me.

>> No.2509375

>>2509290
isn't it the same?

>> No.2509394

>>2509240
fag

>>2509258
fag

>>2506595
fag

>>2506665
fag

>> No.2509428

I've just never been able to get the hang of ANY sidescroller Mario.
Super Mario 64 is easy enough. Metroid I can do. Zelda I can beat both quests without any deaths.
I've even beat Wario Land for the GB, but SMB confounds me.

>> No.2509442

In a way, the proper way to play the first NES Mario like a champ is really to YOLO it and play like it's Sanic. You just gotta learn to ride Mario's momentum. Don't try to control him too hard, because it's not like in Super Mario World where you have very fluid control over Mario in mid-air. You can make small adjustments after a jump, but you ought to incorporate them organically.

Obviously this gets much easier after you've played each level multiple times and you know what's ahead, but overall once you get the hang of the hold-B-and-just-gun-it style, you almost react on instinct to obstacles even if you've never encountered them before or seldomly so.

>> No.2509456

>>2509442
Oh, and this also applies to SMB3, although there you have much more mid-air control over Mario (though still not quite as much as in SMW), and you have the Leaf, which obviously makes some things easier. Overall, it's very satisfying to be able to just tear through stages by mastering Mario's momentum. It's also the reason I don't like SMW as much these days (though obviously it's still an excellent game), as that game gives you way too much control of Mario while toning down the feeling of gathering momentum.