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Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:13:40 2015 No.2499407 [DELETED]

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Is this game any good? It was made by the mastermind behind Doom and Quake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:14:27 2015 No.2499409 >>2499407 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:14:43 2015 No.2499412 >>2499407 Carmack didn't work on that game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:15:54 2015 No.2499413 >>2499407 it's empty as shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 13:18:37 2015 No.2499414 >>2499407 >It was made by a random guy who programmed Doom and Quake Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 14:43:09 2015 No.2499515 It's alright. It's also not retro. Unless you want to talk about the N64 version, then it is retro and completely garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 27 14:46:05 2015 No.2499519 >>2499412 /thread

Anonymous Sun Jun 28 13:18:18 2015 No.2501413

>>2499414
I dunno, Romero also designed some of the better levels in Doom and Quake.

as far as I can tell though, Romero let his prior success get to his head, and he made the really decision to switch engines mid development instead of further development on the engine he had

he also massively underestimated how long things would take with his brand new studio full of newbies, so schedule slip was a constant

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 13:23:50 2015 No.2501423 >>2499407 It's arse. Don't listen to those who say it's okay. It's not. It's abysmal

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 13:25:27 2015 No.2501428 >>2501423 I've played worse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 13:28:23 2015 No.2501432 >>2501428 Most bad games result from corporate greed, crazy deadlines, circumstances beyond everyone's control This one is just some dickhead setting money on fire

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 13:35:16 2015 No.2501442 >>2501432 That's great but I've still played worse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 16:46:23 2015 No.2501832 >>2499407 No. If you want more games like Quake and Doom I would recommend playing the BUILD games (Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, etc.) or Unreal if you haven't already. Avoid Daikatana.

Anonymous Sun Jun 28 16:49:57 2015 No.2501839

>>2499407
It sucks. It's playable if you turn off the sidekicks, though.

>>2501413
Yeah, Romero fucked up without Carmack to keep him in check.

However, Ion Storm's other games, Deus Ex and Anachronox were really good, so Ion Storm wasn't as much of failure as people say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 17:30:46 2015 No.2501912 File: 5 KB, 200x150, ROMERO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2499407 Good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcV7EAMHNNQ LOL....

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 17:57:09 2015 No.2501979 After this finishing this game, John went to make games for the N-Gage and Facebook.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 18:28:02 2015 No.2502086 >>2501832 >If you want more games like Quake and Doom I would recommend playing the BUILD games Or don't do that, please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 18:34:53 2015 No.2502104 beating-a-dead-horse.jpg

Anonymous Sun Jun 28 18:35:35 2015 No.2502107

>>2501839
Ion Storm was completely consumed by the black hole of suck that John Romero generated with Daikatana. The entire proceeds of all their other games went directly to it; it quite honestly put all of its eggs in one basket.

No to mention Ion Storm itself was Eidos' last-ditch lifeline to stave off their financial woes and was partly founded by Romero, so you can indirectly blame him for Looking Glass Studios getting shut down, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 28 20:14:12 2015 No.2502386 Nice troll thread attempt. All you got was "No, it was bad."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 04:59:58 2015 No.2503260 File: 220 KB, 611x861, cgw_155_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember when it's supposed to be a "Quake Killer".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:01:26 2015 No.2503263 File: 1.48 MB, 1348x933, cgw_155_daikatana1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2503260

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:05:03 2015 No.2503268 Don't be fooled by these losers, DAIKATANA is a FPS designed for expert FPS players. Only the best of the best can see the truth and appreciate the work put behind it.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:05:44 2015 No.2503270

>>2503263
forgot to mention:
>The game also blends in some compelling features from console games such as SquareSoft's Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy III, Secret of Mana, and Secret of Evermore.
>"I want you to become so emotionally attached to the characters that certain events in the game will make you break down and cry, just like in the opera scene from Final Fantasy III."

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:09:57 2015 No.2503275

>>2503270
>>The game also blends in some compelling features from console games such as SquareSoft's Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy III, Secret of Mana, and Secret of Evermore.

What. Like what. I would never compare Daikatana to those games. Game Journalism is a total joke. To get access and be on the devs good side, they hype up any upcoming games. Years later when you look at these articles they are completely ridiculous.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:10:21 2015 No.2503276

>>2503270
Well, there is time travel, pointless cyberpunk aesthetics if you squint your eyes a lot and search it though all that green, a light RPG-like progression, and annoying sidekicks. And in the end, you really want to cry and have strong emotions toward your companions. So that's entirely correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 05:12:22 2015 No.2503282 >>2503275 >>2503276 It's 1997, game also looks nothing like the final product, at all.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 08:12:48 2015 No.2503424

Carmack is a wizard programmer but he never cared about what makes FPS good. Romero is the one who really gets it, every time he talks about these games he mentions the level design, and he himself made the best levels of Doom and Quake. As soon as he and other designers leave Id you can see what happens with Quake 2 - incredibly bland, lifeless gameplay put on an amazing engine. The single player was there out of convention.

Carmack still doesn't get it and never will, exemplified by his "Doom is about demons and shotguns" quote.

And yeah, Romero screwed up with Daikatana. Compared to all the other things he worked on, one mistake doesn't mean shit. It's not as bad as people hype it out to be, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 08:20:56 2015 No.2503432 >>2503424 The biggest mistake Romero made with Daikatana was not making any of the levels himself.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 09:51:03 2015 No.2503541

>>2503432
I'm not sure if that could make the slightest bit of difference, there are so many things wrong with the game aside level design, and I think he's responsible of them: discovering secrets required to save, the companions and everything about them, the stupid plot and most of all those gimmicky weapons, which I think it's the biggest problem.

Unconventional weapons work in their little niche, which requires a level design tailored for them, in order to shine and be useful for something; when all the fucking weapons are unconventional (like a plasma gun whose shots can bounce and kill you or electrify water and kill you, a multibarreled shotgun that always shoots six rounds and knockbacks you, a melee AoE weapon, and a rod that summons a demon that can oneshot you if he doesn't see any enemy), you make level design a nightmare, and all you get is an unsatisfying mess that plays awfully in any case

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:11:29 2015 No.2503576 >>2503263 Romero seems to have underestimated the whole thing badly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 01:09:37 2015 No.2505638 >>2501839 Deus Ex was made by the secondary Ion Storm team and thankfully had nothing to do with Romero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 01:23:16 2015 No.2505664 >>2501442 i've smelled worse shits than the one i just took. that doesn't make it not shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 02:26:03 2015 No.2505808 >>2503541 >a rod that summons a demon that can oneshot you if he doesn't see any enemy So THAT'S where American McGee got the idea.

Anonymous Tue Jun 30 03:01:28 2015 No.2505875

I'd feel a bit disappointed if this thread didn't at least mention the amazing feature Gamespot did years back on the making of Daikatana. Sadly, it was lost to the internet via a site redesign, but remains readable via the internet archive.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050105095704/http://www.gamespot.com/features/btg-daikatana/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 03:56:58 2015 No.2505949 Carmack is order. Romero is chaos. Without order you get a mess. Without chaos you get boredom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 04:38:03 2015 No.2505991 >>2505638 RIP Warren Spector and Tom Hall for being dragged down by Romero's overambition

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 04:39:21 2015 No.2505994 >>2502086 Whats wrong with those 3 games? They were the best "doom clones" you had before quake took the genre by storm

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 30 11:57:13 2015 No.2506596 >>2499407 No, but i heard that the gameboy version of this game was actually good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 00:00:32 2015 No.2507818 File: 53 KB, 513x480, 1435561710544.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2506596 yeah the Gameboy version is pretty good, plays like Zelda. also OP I recommend you play the Bethesda Terminator FPS games, future shock and skynet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 00:07:00 2015 No.2507826 >>2507818 >Bethesda Terminator FPS games, How buggy and shite are they? I mean I love TES but lmao they're so incompetent

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 02:07:45 2015 No.2507965 >>2507826 Bethesda made tighter closed games while making loose and buggy open games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 1 02:08:47 2015 No.2507967 >>2499407 Romero let me pet his hair once. Native American hair is thick like a horse's but soft because humans can use conditioner.

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