Masterpieces

[Anonymous No.2499035]

ITT: Games that are such an absolute work of art it makes your eyes water.

[Anonymous No.2499039]

Video games aren't art.

[Anonymous No.2499048]

>>2499039
This fucker died for that opinion

[Anonymous No.2499051]

>>2499039
If you believe that then why are you here?

[Anonymous No.2499054]

PSO2 is better, the first one aged poorly

[Anonymous No.2499056]

>>2499039
Go to Japan and say that, I dare you.

[Anonymous No.2499072]

Say no more

[Anonymous No.2499073]

>>2499056
Yeah, it doesn't take much to impress the Japanese as far as art is concerned.

[Anonymous No.2499081]

>>2499072
Lavitz was my favorite.

[Anonymous No.2499123]

>>2499081
Mine too. House Slambert mutha fucka. Then alfred joined and threw off my timing on additions. First party of three was my main party whole game. Dart/Lavitz(albert)/Shana(miranda)

[Anonymous No.2499126]

>>2499123
How was your timing thrown off, mechanically speaking they are identical character. Also, really? You never used Rose or Hashel?

[Anonymous No.2499128]

>>2499073
Art from late 1700 sucks dicks anyway. I'm not defending Japan with this.

[Anonymous No.2499342]

>>2499073
kek

[Anonymous No.2499402]

>>2499054
No it didn't.

[Anonymous No.2499419]

[Anonymous No.2499463]

>>2499072
I respect this opinion but I'll never understand it.

[Anonymous No.2499470]

>>2499039
Go back to hell Roger, for the last time, you've already refuted that statement yourself.

[Anonymous No.2499476]

>>2499463
why you say that?

[Anonymous No.2499486]

>>2499039
There's videogames at the MOMA Ebert.

[Anonymous No.2499491]

>>2499476
I just don't understand the appeal, to me LoD is a very bland game.
Most of the locations are beautiful (and do I love PS era per-rendered backgrounds) but the rest...

[Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo No.2499498]

Fantasy Zone is a masterpiece I wish got more discussion. Have a cool interview with its creator: http://shmuplations.com/fantasyzone/

[Anonymous No.2499513]

>>2499054
>aged poorly
You don't belong here

[Anonymous No.2499524]

>>2499498
I dunno about masterpiece but I fucking love me some Fantasy Zone

[Anonymous No.2499553]

>>2499035
Nice. I just started playing this when I'm babysitting my nephews.

XBOX version, 4 players, split screen, final destination. They love it.

[Anonymous No.2499561]

>>2499498
Just finished reading the whole thing.

What a chill motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.2499651]

>>2499039
This is "art". Art is subjective.

[Anonymous No.2500104]

>>2499073
36 views of Mt. Fuji, you un-cultured swine.

[Anonymous No.2500139]

[Anonymous No.2500285]

>>2499039
Neither is film really.

[Anonymous No.2500549]

>>2500139
Fuck the dungeon level, those one hit kill spikes fucked up hard as a kid and I still don't think I could beat the level now.

[Anonymous No.2500579]

>>2499054

I love PSO2, but I hate the new art direction. It's hard to make a character not look like a moeblob or some generic mc from a flavor of the month anime.

I'm still excited for the new PSO anniversary items.

[Anonymous No.2501057]

>>2499039

from Roger, commenting on a TED talke by Kellee Santiago, with examples of games
>Now she shows stills from early silent films such as George Melies' "A Voyage to the Moon" (1902), which were "equally simplistic." Obviously, I'm hopelessly handicapped because of my love of cinema, but Melies seems to me vastly more advanced than her three modern video games. He has limited technical resources, but superior artistry and imagination.


it sounds to me both Roger and Kellee mis he point entirely

he admitted to only playing Cosmology of Kyoto, some heavily technology hampered crap "visual novel", pretty much a point-and-click short book, with no real choices, so its not even a game really,

While Kellee says that once homo sapiens were able to blur out sounds and millenias past it turned into art in the form of peotry and song, bulshit, she shows some cluncky FPS and basically means that technology advancements will be able to turn games into art... like what? near indistinguishable 3D steroegraphic games played with some Flexibe LED display helmet that provides full angled vision, in a all directions threadmill and higi precision body movement detector without wearables to kill immersion... both retards

[Anonymous No.2501059]

>>2501057
Did you just call Cosmology of Kyoto crap?

[Anonymous No.2501063]

>>2501057
forgot to add

Roger basically admitted that he might be biased, and concluded that games might be art someday, but no one existing today will...
"No video gamer now living will survive long enough to experience the medium as an art form"

>>2501059
i seem to recognize that face, some internet celibrity right?

probably an idol of yours to whom you defer the 'decisions' regarding your tastes, disregarded

[Anonymous No.2501068]

>>2500579
I fucking hate the male faces in PSO2.

[Anonymous No.2501073]

>>2501063
>i seem to recognize that face, some internet celibrity right?
Jesus Christ, buddy. And believe me nobody hates Internet "celebrities" more than I do.

[Anonymous No.2501086]

Wow this thread got derailed HARD. From the first post, no less.

[Anonymous No.2501104]

>>2500579
>only HUmar and HUnewearl

Come on, baby. My FOmar needs some clothes.

[Anonymous No.2502043]

>>2499073
Hello person with a poor understanding of art and art history.

[Anonymous No.2502050]

>>2502043
Hello, minimum-wage earner who's excited to have his first chance to put that Art History degree to use since graduating.

[Anonymous No.2502143]

>>2502050
Nah, I just took a class in it once. It's this thing called "A Well Rounded Education"

[Anonymous No.2502187]

>>2502043
Still more technically accomplished than Sharaku's piece despite being 300 years older.

[Anonymous No.2502201]

Pic related

[Anonymous No.2502278]

>>2499035
>pic unreleated

[Anonymous No.2502321]

>>2502201
TRIGGER WARNING

[Anonymous No.2502552]

Xenogears will be inevitably posted.

[Anonymous No.2502595]

[Anonymous No.2502635]

>No okami
Fuck you guys.

[Anonymous No.2502663]

>>2502635
not retro

[Anonymous No.2502738]

>>2499035
Jet Set Radio

[Anonymous No.2503234]

>>2502635
agreed, but not for /vr

[Anonymous No.2503254]

R-Type Delta
The OST alone burns everything in its path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW3dL4CghUQ&list=PLXSaJ1VYkIYuzScqXdQahXAmgI7ul7o33&index=5

[Anonymous No.2503261]

>Thread about games that are "works of art"
>Entire thread is weeaboo bullshit interactive novels
>Not Spyro the fucking Dragon

[Anonymous No.2503262]

>ITT: work of art = lots of pretty colors

[Anonymous No.2503274]

>>2503262

Stuff like Metal Gear satisfies the social commentary/postmodernist critique aspects of art, but those things only became a major aspect of real art around the turn of the 20th century so I don't think it's a necessary requirement.

But we gamers must admit, I think, that although our medium is capable of producing art... That doesn't mean it's going to be particularly good art.

The only stuff that comes close really is a bunch of overly pretentious indie games, but those almost always end up being shitty games in their ambition to be good art.

[Anonymous No.2503285]

>>2503274
>The only stuff that comes close really is a bunch of overly pretentious indie games
Complete bullshit. A shitton of games are great artworks. They have awesome art designs, awesome soundtracks and even awesome gameplay.

X-Multiply for example is a fucking masterpiece and a piece of art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHauAilDEOM

[Anonymous No.2503289]

Also not /vr/ but Nier is one of the only games I consider to truly be art.

[Anonymous No.2503298]

>>2500579
>It's hard to make a character not look like a moeblob or some generic mc from a flavor of the month anime.
Maybe you just need to try, you know?

[Anonymous No.2503302]

>>2503285

No it isn't, anon. Sure the music is great. Sure the design is slick. But the same can be said of a Michael Bay film, and those sure as fuck aren't art.

So where is the distinction, you ask? That's just the thing. It's more than the sum of the parts. Space Invaders is a more pure work of art than anything by Irem.

[Anonymous No.2503305]

>>2503302
>the same can be said of a Michael Bay film
Not in my opinion. I dont find these movies interesting at all. They just have big budgets, but that's it.
I could listen to Irem soundtracks all day though.

[Anonymous No.2503326]

>>2503302
>Space Invaders is a more pure work of art than anything by Irem.
Because it was done by a single person or what? Just because a group comes together and creates something doesn't mean it can't be a piece of art.
Using your logic music bands can't produce art simply because they are not solo artists.

[Anonymous No.2503331]

>>2499039
I hope not.

[Anonymous No.2503352]

Loom
Secret of Monkey Island

[Anonymous No.2503387]

the only game I could consider a work of art right now is SMB.

[Anonymous No.2504319]

>>2499054
>my little girl princess dressup simulator is better

no its not you faggot.

Dreamcast has lots of titles like this, op

Ill lust leave you with shenmue, JSR and sonic adventure. yeah SONIC ADVENTURE

sega really did have the cream of the crop in skill. the majority of the world was just faggots and dint understand.
then PS2 sold on name and fake hype dvd player shit 155milliomn units.

IT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN DIFFERENT

>>2499419
Great music

[Anonymous No.2504446]

>>2499073
i don't think you know much about art, or anything really.

[Anonymous No.2504450]

>>2502187
technical capability isn't a factor in art.

[Anonymous No.2505051]

>>2499419
This was a fantastic game, love that everyone is named after foods. It makes me wish there were a more colorful game where the characters were actually food

[Anonymous No.2505063]

>>2504450

[Anonymous No.2505083]

>>2505063
>muh reaction face
Try actually contributing to the board next time, fuckwit. Or go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.2505454]

>>2503352
>mfw I picked this up from a garage sale when I was like 6 for $3

[Anonymous No.2505504]

>>2499035
Rayforce.
The music, the presentation. Seamless stage transitions. Damn near everything about it is a work of art. Even on a gameplay level, it has an interesting, advanced scoring system that rivals those found in more recent shmups.

it's an exciting game that tells a basic but interesting story without a damn word of exposition, just using visuals and music and sold as fuck gameplay

>>2504319
Fighting in PSO2 is much better though. It's clunky as fuck in PSO1.
Sure, you can make a moeblob bitch in PSO2, but who gives a shit? The actual meat of the game is legitimately better.

Sonic Adventure is also pretty shit, and I'm saying this as a longtime Sega fan.
it did impress the shit out of me in '98 though, so it does deserve credit where it's due

But even the Sonic levels are generally poorly designed in SA1 (and that's something I noticed back then -- Windy Valley, Sky Deck, there's more but I'm hitting char limit). Rest of the game doesn't fare much better. We're not even touching on the camera, the hilariously awful glitches (I've fallen through the ground in Speed Highway more times than I care to remember), Big, Amy, Gamma, etc.
SA2 almost fixes everything wrong with SA1, except it has it's own whole ream of bullshit and problems

JSR is standout. Controls are a bit iffy, but it's definitely one of those games that showed how great Sega was. Fantastic look, music, and gameplay.

I still need to play through Shenmue -- I have a save sitting on my DC where I'm at the very first moment I could save so that when I did get around to playing it, I could just get going right then and there

man, it really was just Sonic Team that fucked up in that 1998-2003 period, rest of Sega never stopped being ace as fuck

>>2503302
>Space Invaders is a more pure work of art than anything by Irem.
I knew it was possible to have an opinion this bad, but I still don't want to be reminded of the fact.

[Anonymous No.2505525]

>>2505051
I haven't played it personally, but isn't that Fighting Foodons?

[Anonymous No.2505538]

>>2504450

That's a stupid thing to say

[Anonymous No.2505550]

FF VI opera scene
They had absolutely no reason to do that, but square was balling out of control in the mid 90s so hard they just decided to fucking style on every other jrpg dev

[Anonymous No.2505554]

>>2505504
>Rayforce.
I like you

[Anonymous No.2505753]

What the hell did I just play. I think I liked it.

[Anonymous No.2506925]

>>2505753
The driving has killed me. I want to get back to it but ugh.

[Anonymous No.2506949]

>>2502050
>since graduating.
bwaha like i even did

[Anonymous No.2506981]

Nobody posted a pic of Jet Grind Radio, I'm too tired to do it right now, but I want you to know, you guys let yourselves down.

[Anonymous No.2507781]

>>2506981

[Anonymous No.2508642]

[Anonymous No.2508735]

>>2504450
Do you operate on stupid?

>>2505753
Not /vr/.

[Anonymous No.2508741]

>>2503331
Fuck off Icy.

[Anonymous No.2508758]

>>2499073
Ok, so art techniques are a technology. Just like guns or types of medicine they have to be invented or discovered, depending on your terminology. All of the western examples share the same level of advancement in art technology in the same way those countries shared around the same level of cannon technology.

To show a succession of European art form a similar era is beyond inane, especially when comparing them to a singular Asian country. Chinese art of the same era was certainly different, but it shared the same general level of technological progression as the Japanese piece.

Also if your trying to turn this into some European supremacy post, please just don't, there's no point to them. I you really have to at least read some history book like "Guns, germs and steel" beforehand so that we can actually have a conversation beyond "Europe conquered huge amounts of the world! Ignore all the times an Asiatic culture accomplished a similar same thing."

[Anonymous No.2508775]

>All this "Are games art"
It's not that difficult people.
Art is a work created with the intention of arousing emotion (Particular or in General) from the person experiencing it.

Roger Ebert's parallels to Chess and Mahjong are therefore ill placed as games that are created for competition or idle mental titillation are not the same games that are being referenced when gamers talk about games being "Art"

The games that ARE reference, (Ico, Braid, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, etc..) are created for the sole purpose of elicitation emotion of the player and are thus, art. No less than books or movies, and no closer to arcade and competitive games than Classical is to idle tapping noises.

[Anonymous No.2508786]

>>2503302
>But the same can be said of a Michael Bay film, and those sure as fuck aren't art.

[Anonymous No.2508794]

>>2508758
Are you really pushing Guns, Germs and Steel as a good book for people to read when its riddled with historical inaccuracies? It's the most reddit-tier of history books out there.

I find people who think white people are "better" than other races due to factors like genetics incredibly annoying and are usually losers who are trying to prop up their lack of accomplishments with other peoples, but that person is just posting that image is just joking, you don't need to sperg out, not everyone on the internet is a white supremacist.

[Anonymous No.2508812]

>>2508775
>Art is a work created with the intention of arousing emotion (Particular or in General) from the person experiencing it.

Nope.

Art doesn't need to illicit emotion to be art.

If I paint a mediocre painting that absolutely no one cares about or has a reaction to, guess what? It's art.

I HATE seeing all the stupid rationale over what is/isn't art that I keep reading: "It has to cause an emotional reaction; it has to be beautiful; it has to be this; it has to do that."

No.

Good art is art; bad art is art; beautiful art is art; ugly art is art; art is art is art is art. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not-art suddenly.

A pizza is a pizza regardless of how it tastes. Art is art regardless of how you feel.

And I also hate when people trot out "These games are art" lists that are ultimately No True Scotsmans.

[Anonymous No.2508828]

>>2508775
Your first fuckjng paragraph is already dead wrong

[Anonymous No.2508832]

>>2508812
Literally false, an abstract concept cannot be held to the same definitions as a physical object with a noun attatched, thats like saying "He's crying, he must be sad. Sad people cry."
Even worse is the idea that quality is separate from art. Ask any artist if they would call their thumbnail sketches or warm up exercises art, they will tell you no. Because art is not a mistake, it has to be intentional.

>>2508828
>I have more to say but I don't have to elaborate
Fuck off hippie.

[Anonymous No.2508876]

>>2508758

Oy fucking vey.

[Anonymous No.2508883]

Christ, a discussion about games as art on 4chan of all places.

Look, I not going to say that your opinion is invalid. I'm not going to tell you what you are allowed and not allowed to consider art, or why.

However, I am going to say that about 95% of you are fucking retarded mouth-breathing plebs, who should probably kill yourselves before you pollute the sphere of human thought any further.

[Anonymous No.2508942]

>>2503261
> posts on 4chan
> complains about weebs

[Anonymous No.2508982]

>>2505753
>Company that made this includes members that formerly worked on Extermination.

I bet this is good. Reminds me how I never beat extermination, beat the final boss and then couldn't figure out where the fuck to go just kept running circular laps through the map from start to end. Fun game though.

[Anonymous No.2508986]

>>2508883
>I don't have anything to add but let me just tell you that you're dumb. I'm the intelligent one here.
>being so new that this is your first time seeing this kind of discussion pop up

Got anything to contribute? It would be a good opportunity to enlighten the poor sheeple. Most people who make this kind of insubstantial post have nothing of value to say, they just want to elevate themselves above the cattle because they've read something elsewhere and it thinks it makes them smart even though they couldn't actually parse and communicate those ideas themselves.

[dondo No.2509668]

>>2502201

only masterpiece worthy things in that game imo are the environments/settings and the god tier ost

gameplay and story are okay, but nowhere near as good as other rpgs like chrono trigger

[Anonymous No.2510049]

>>2508883
go back to reddit

thanks

[Anonymous No.2510285]

>>2508986
>>2510049

Been using 4chan since 2006 m8ys. Doesn't mean I can't still be surprised at what a set of self aggrandising neck-beards you guys are. Seriously, have some humility.

You are, collectively, Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, acting as tough your favourite form of consumable media is our era's Venus De Milo.

I told you, it's fine to have an opinion, and my opinion can't change yours, the best thing about art is its subjectivity. But it's not my fault that your tastes are so bad you think Shin Megami Tensei is somehow comparable to fucking Salvador Dali or some shit.

[Anonymous No.2510289]

>>2510285
>Art is a diverse range of human activities and the products of those activities, usually involving imaginative or technical skill.
I don't see how video games contradict that definition.

[Anonymous No.2510304]

>>2510285
haha like that means anything

>>2510049
this

[Anonymous No.2510308]

>>2510289

Did I ever say they did?

[Anonymous No.2510312]

>>2499039
We should just get rid of the word "art" it's a useless word.

[Anonymous No.2510329]

>>2510312

And with that one sentence, probably without realising it, this Anon has expressed more about the meaning of contemporary art than the rest of the thread combined.

[Anonymous No.2510367]

>>2510308
So you agree that video games are art by definition but you think people shouldn't call them that because you falsely associate the word "art" with the word "masterpiece" even though there is tons of awful art.

[Anonymous No.2510380]

>>2510367

Where did you learn to read? Fucking hell.

The last six words of your post apply to 99% of videogames, that's my point, and that this thread contains laughably bad tastes.

Again, since you can't fucking read, I will spell out how subjectivity is important here. S-U-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y, there.

It's just hilarious watching you chucklefucks making all these grand pseudo-intellectual arguments about something I can guarantee you know precisely dick shit about.

[Anonymous No.2510472]

>>2499035
>inb4 ocarina of time

[Anonymous No.2510479]

>>2510380
If it's subjective why do you bother attacking other people's subjective interpretations and opinions about art with childish insults?

[Anonymous No.2510489]

>>2510479
>If you have nothing nice to say, why say anything at all?

Thanks mom.

[Anonymous No.2510495]

>>2499035
This game is special enough to make my eyes water.

[Anonymous No.2512240]

>>2499035
the whole series tbh

[Anonymous No.2512709]

>>2499039
>>2501057


That bitch asked Ebert to decide if games are art or not and showed him fucking Flower and Braid

shit, if I had no idea about video games and you showed me Flower and Braid, I wouldn't think they were art either

[Anonymous No.2515120]

>>2510312
>>2510329
Agreed.