/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2490682]

Platforms with poor or noticeably incomplete emulation support.

[Anonymous No.2490698]

>>2490682
because emulating a 30 dollar machine is frivolous?

you could just burn every game and play it on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.2490706]

>>2490698
>because emulating a 30 dollar machine is frivolous?
Not all the time. Fan-translators and rom-hackers need robust emulators to do their thing. Don't you want a Segagaga translation, anon?

[Anonymous No.2490754]

>>2490706
i'd rather just learn japanese than rely on eccentric emu teams.

[Anonymous No.2490764]

I'm not aware of any non-Nintendo handheld that's emulated with proper support for link play

Shame since NGPC has some amazing fighting games and Card Fighters

[Anonymous No.2490773]

iirc gba and genesis sound emulation is still incomplete

[Anonymous No.2490792]

>>2490682
i want this game to be emulable nooooowww.

[Anonymous No.2490863]

Isn't Saturn and PSOne emulation supposed to be shit?

[Anonymous No.2490882]

>>2490863
No, PS1 emulation is actually pretty good.

Saturn emulation however is still shit.

[Anonymous No.2490889]

>>2490863
Psone USED to be but now we have lots of options
>pSX 1.13 = easiest to set up and"just werks" . Still a few minor game specific bugs
>Psxr = Comes highly recommended still has a few bugs, requires configuration.
>ePSXe = Everyone hates this one. Probably due to its historically long development time and unreliability. 1.9 seems to work just fine for me but some games require special configuration.
>Madnafen = Games work great when you get it set up but its a pain in the ass to configure. Limited enhancement options. Retro arch uses this as its psx core.

[Anonymous No.2491162]

>>2490889
>but its a pain in the ass to configure

>put the bios on the right folder
>configure the .ini to your liking following the wiki
>drag the .cue of the game on the exe
>play

[Anonymous No.2491175]

WonderSwan (Color)

>>2490889

Xebra is still actively developed and focuses on cycle accuracy. It's self-contained like pSX, so no plugin bullshit.

Why anyone would use an emulation front-end like Mednafen or RA is beyond me. They're all shit. They just appropriate third-party emulation cores and somehow fuck up their configurability by breaking or removing configuration options that otherwise worked in the emulator's native GUI. At that point, you may as well just use the official release of that emulator.

[Anonymous No.2491190]

>>2490754
>eccentric emu teams

Having done a few translations of my own, I could tell you stories that would curl your toes. ROM hackers are some of the most autistic, egomaniacal individuals you will ever have the displeasure of being acquainted with. No need to take my word for it. Look at any of the numerous ROM-hacking sites that have voluntarily shut themselves down and replaced their site contents with lengthy rants about how they could no longer tolerate all the drama and infighting.

If you ever set out to produce a translation or ROM hack, take my advice and never ask anyone for help. You're better off handling the entire project by yourself. When you get ready to release it, make sure your site / host doesn't have any sort of message board, and that you don't post any contact info. Just put your patch out there and keep yourself isolated from any communication with anyone.

[Anonymous No.2491193]

Pretty much anything with a laserdisc other than what's on DAPHNE. I appreciate the hell out of that guy but more people need to be going to the effort of digitizing the analog video on these discs.

[Anonymous No.2491220]

>>2491175
Mednafen's PSX core is actually developed by the Mednafen dev, it's not pulled from another emulator. It's quite good too. Mednafen hates all of my CCD+IMG+SUB images though.

RetroArch's whole appeal is portability -- if you can build RetroArch for a platform, suddenly a bunch of emulators are available for use on it. It's kind of sort of it's own self-contained OS, really.

Oh, and shaders, but fuck that noise.

Xebra's neat. Its disc image support sucks, though -- ended up just using a disc mounter last time I bothered.

>>2490889
>minor
pSX's internal sync is pretty fucked AFAIK and a surprisingly large amount of games will deadlock (some of them more frequently than others, and some games work fine for ages and then deadlock and you don't know if it's because of the sync being fucked, another issue, or a bad image) or have spurious, random button presses/duplicate button presses (for example, menus in Tales of Destiny will randomly interpret a button press twice).
would be really nice if the author came back and fixed that shit
there's an alternate timing command line option that stops some deadlocks and introduces other problems (which is why it's not default)

otherwise, pSX works fine for the games it works fine with (quite a lot, check the compatibility list though) and is pretty much as get up and go as it gets

[Anonymous No.2491341]

>>2491190
The fuck is this. You're translating a bideo game, not staging a criminal conspiracy. How could anyone possibly get that autismo over something so trivial.

[Anonymous No.2491345]

>>2491175
RA is wonderful. It lets me use the same CRT shader in every emulator. It makes Genesis Plus GX and mGBA usable on Windows, where the former normally wouldn't be available at all and the latter has poor video sync. It lets me use bsnes without having to worry about Higan's weird interface. It lets me use all of them with proper XInput controller support.

From a software design perspective, RA (and other multi-platform frontends) are a good thing. It shouldn't be necessary for every emulator developer to have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to audio/video rendering, controller input, shader support, etc. It's not surprising that a lot of good standalone emulators have really shitty frontends, since the devs are focusing more on the accuracy of the emulation than supporting every quirk of every shitty operating system API of every platform they intend to support. Just let RA handle that shit.

[Anonymous No.2491363]

>>2490682
All of them. Many children have poor noticeably skill though.

[Anonymous No.2491394]

>>2491363
Platforms like the NES, SNES and Genesis have better performance on emulators, like StarFox runs at a faster framerate than the original hardware.

[Anonymous No.2491402]

I want picture related emulatable for historical reasons.

[Anonymous No.2491407]

>>2490682
Out of the popular /vr/ TV consoles, the N64, the Saturn and the Dreamcast are the ones with noticeably poor emulation. They're all sort of in the state where the popular easy-to-emulate games are playable, but they're nowhere near accurate, and they're polluted by having most of the talent and mindshare in closed-source or single-platform (with malware in the installer) emulators.

[Anonymous No.2491413]

>>2491394
Overclocking the SFX chip doesn't increase the frame rate; It increases the speed at which the game itself is running.

Said increase can actually make it quite difficult to even play the game at later points due to it being designed for the original, slower speed.

[Anonymous No.2491415]

>>2491341

Humans are EXPERTS in going full autism over slight trivial details.
Just check the edit wars list on wikipedia. Bring popcorn.

[Anonymous No.2491418]

>>2491402
Or, better yet, we could pretend it never happened. The best possible outcome is that future historians will have all the accurate emulators for the good gaming platforms of the late 20th and early 21st century and they will know nothing about the N-Gage.

[Anonymous No.2491435]

>>2491418
That's like saying schools should pretend the holocaust never happened.

[Anonymous No.2491443]

>>2491394
So they are noticeably inaccurate.
>SNES
top kek kid

[Anonymous No.2491461]

>poor or noticeably incomplete emulation support
>there are two Dreamcast emulators with good compatibility

[Anonymous No.2491462]

>>2491443
SuperFX overclocking has to be enabled manually. It's cycle accurate by default in bsnes. IIRC the emulation was done by decapping a real chip.

[Anonymous No.2491473]

>>2491461
>good compatibility
>not perfect compatibility
>not compatible with Windows CE-based games at all
>video inaccuracies all over the place
DC emu scene a shit

[Anonymous No.2491476]

>>2491473

The Xbox has poor emulation. The NGage has poor emulation. The Dreamcast's emulation is fine.

[Anonymous No.2491481]

>>2491476
SNES emulation is fine. Genesis emulation is fine. Dreamcast emulation is shit.

[Anonymous No.2491493]

>>2491415
Not them but I see this shit happen all the time whenever a group of fanboy spergs work on a group project. Small disagreements become big disagreements and it turns into a paranoid power struggle.

Especially when considering some of these people are in LOVE with these fictional characters any opposing interpretation of the language is guaranteed to cause tons of drama.

[Anonymous No.2491501]

>>2491461
>missing textures necessary to completing a game

[Anonymous No.2491506]

>>2491493
what's funny is that whoever ends up playing is just going to mash A A A A A to scroll the text fast and barely pay attention to what's written anyway

[Anonymous No.2491517]

>>2491418
>>2491402
Isnt it just playstation architecture? I thought tomb raider and pandemonium had minimal changes made in order to run?

[Anonymous No.2491550]

>>2491402
pls no

Some things are better left forgotten.

[Anonymous No.2491575]

>>2491402
Site is still up: www.sidetalking.com

[Anonymous No.2491576]

>>2491575
dat first gen ipod

[Anonymous No.2491617]

>>2491407
I think part of that is because the N64 has some pretty odd hardware and architecture, and several games abuse that to improve certain aspects.

For instance, Pokemon Snap uses a quirk in the GPU to render the photos, and so far no emulator has managed to replicate that.

I really want to play Pokemon Snap again, but I can't afford the hardware ;_;

[Anonymous No.2491629]

>>2491443
Performance>accuracy, why try to have the same experience when you can have a better experience?

[Anonymous No.2491634]

>>2491190
you sound like an autistic egotistical prick yourself, fuck off

[Anonymous No.2491636]

>>2491341
how exactly is translating a game "trivial"?

[Anonymous No.2491771]

>>2491636
Unimportant enough to not warrant such destructive behavior.

The act itself isn't.

[Anonymous No.2491785]

[Anonymous No.2492295]

>>2490682
That android emulator is new but run better than others DC emulator

[Anonymous No.2492301]

>>2490682
>>2492295
For a recent DC emulator is fine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tac8-usm_XY

[Anonymous No.2492304]

>>2492301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olwt8zJOyBQ

[Anonymous No.2492309]

>>2491402

I bought one. I hated it. The games were literally shit. Couldent run, laggy as fuck, ruinous.

[Anonymous No.2492843]

>>2491785
>$140 obo
>I know what I got

[Anonymous No.2492945]

>>2491435
>pretend

[Anonymous No.2493240]

>>2492301
if they would just release that shit for pc or linux but of all the things they picked goddamned smartphones

[Anonymous No.2493251]

>>2493240
Right, you can only use Android on phones.

[Anonymous No.2493254]

>>2493251
still a pain in the ass to configure it properly, there is no proper DC emulator

[Anonymous No.2493257]

MegaLD

[Anonymous No.2493264]

>>2493257
Why would anyone ever want to emulate that?

[Anonymous No.2493267]

>>2493240
Reicast is being ported to Linux.

[Anonymous No.2493385]

>>2492843
what

[Anonymous No.2493752]

>>2491629
Why play the original game when you can play the better remake?
Why drive when you can fly? Ask your dad if you don't have an answer.

[Anonymous No.2493773]

>>2491413
>Overclocking the SFX chip doesn't increase the frame rate; It increases the speed at which the game itself is running.

It does both.

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Overclocking#SFX_chip

50hz seems to give it a 25% boost in speed. So the "sweet spot" where you get 60fps with no speedup would probably be 40hz.

[Anonymous No.2493778]

>>2491345
How is the state of RA's netplay? Can anyone here share some experiences using it?

I've been looking at my options to see how feasibly I can emulate a certain system that's missing 2-player support in all currently available emulators, and I want to be able to deliver decent netplay support as well; this would make RA's rollback-based netplay ideal on paper but if it doesn't live up to that ideal for users then I'd probably want to look into other ways to satisfy this particular goal

[Anonymous No.2493791]

>>2491162
still sounds like a pain in the ass to me!!
other things that are a pain in the ass
>google.com
>cooking
>daily hygiene

[Anonymous No.2493802]

>>2491575
>www.sidetalking.com
had a giggle

[Anonymous No.2494007]

>>2493802
Me too. I like seeing net culture juuust before social media took over everything.

[Anonymous No.2494013]

>>2491473
Have you been living under a rock? Demul supports Windows CE games.

[Anonymous No.2494036]

>>2491402

That goddamn aspect ratio.

[Anonymous No.2494043]

>>2494007
ikr. now everything is more or less standarized and nobody writes their own sites in html.

this one is a bit older (hasnt been edited since 7th March 98')
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hkadw/

[Anonymous No.2494182]

>>2491476
Xbox emulation is almost nonexistent, isn't it? Last I read most games are only bootable, so you can only fuck around with menus, not actually playable in any way.

[Anonymous No.2494215]

>>2494182
pretty much, not a lot of people care about it

[Anonymous No.2494345]

>>2494215
Ain't it got, like, the smallest exclusives:library ratio? A few dozen out of several hundred.

[Anonymous No.2495667]

>>2494013
You may be correct. There might be at least two WinCE games that are playable.

[Anonymous No.2495928]

>>2494345
Off the top of my head, there's Blinx, that launch game with the trex guy, and Metal Wolf Chaos.

[Anonymous No.2496526]

How has no one mentioned the CD-I yet. The emulator for that is horrible and I remember there being one where you had the mouse set to be the d-pad and one you had to pay for as well. I just want to play shitty zelda games for free.

[Anonymous No.2496661]

>>2496526
I've always wanted to play the Flowers of Robert Mapplethorpe on CD-i.

[Anonymous No.2496667]

>>2496661
that faggot was a literal cuck with an interracial fetish

[Anonymous No.2496698]

>>2491341
I encourage you to check out the Final Fantasy VII retranslation. It's all sorts of autistic up in that shit.

[Anonymous No.2496849]

>>2494345

http://snicko.minus.com/mb0YvIa6pOyspD

A while ago I collated all the exclusive game covers, Xbox had an okay set. Plus enhancements over PS2 multi platform titles could shine with the right emulator.

[Anonymous No.2496885]

>>2491341
Unfortunately he's not wrong, rom dumping is the same most of the people involved are a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.2496889]

I'll never experience a Sega Saturn because of non-user-friendly emulators. Mount this, bios that. I just want to download a file and let a program open it up. at least something similar to a PS1 emulatoion

[Anonymous No.2496892]

>>2496889
Sadly, SSF has the worst fucking input lag ever, and Yabuse is laughably incomplete.

[Anonymous No.2496906]

>>2496892
Yabause is our best chance at a true Saturn emulator in the long run. The developers have helped the study of the original hardware a lot.

[Anonymous No.2496907]

>>2496889
I've NEVER had good Saturn emulation. I've tried multiple saturn emulators both with ISOs and with the actual Saturn discs, never works right.

[Anonymous No.2496924]

>>2496889

Retroarch is simple, and there's a Yabause core. The compatibility is pretty low, but some games play well.

SSF can work if you have a high tolerance for bullshit, but I don't care enough to put up with that Japanese piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.2496976]

>>2496667

>gay man
>cuck

You don't know what that word means and you need to take it back to /v/ with all your other epic maymays.

[Anonymous No.2497461]

>>2496892
Turn off vsync

[Anonymous No.2497463]

>>2496889
You need a bios for PS1 as well, genius.

[Anonymous No.2497692]

>>2496889
>Mount this, bios that. I just want to download a file and let a program open it up. at least something similar to a PS1 emulatoion
Last time I tried PS1 emulation I had to first download three very specific BIOS files. Then I had to convert the roms from .ecm to .bin and find the right .cue files somewhere else, but that wasn't it. I also had to convert .ape files to .wav and then to .bin.

Perhaps I used the wrong emulator or roms but from my experience PS1 emulation is more than just "download the file and let a program open it up".