/vr/ - Retro Games

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Anonymous Sat Jun 6 19:56:58 2015 No.2454460 [Reply] [Original]

Do you think that 10 or 20 years from now 5th generation consoles will be viewed the same as 2nd gen? Too simple and ugly. I think some people already view 5th gen graphics as too ugly.

Don't get me wrong. I like the 2600. I was born well after the 2600 and still think the games on it are fun. Some neat stuff on there. However, there's a pretty widespread opinion of it being too simple to play in modern times. Almost forgotten except for the occasional eceleb mentioning some shitty game on it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:02:54 2015 No.2454472

Most of the people will probably see it that way, while a minority of enthusiasts will be able to enjoy them for what they are.

The thing is, people nowdays are playing these old consoles with LCD TVs, full of lag, wrong aspect ratio and and all, so no wonder they look ugly.
As time goes on, I guess having the set up to run those older consoles will be more challenging than actually enjoy the games.

People in 20 years will not only struggle to find CRTs, but most of them will also not see the point on it, they will see CRTs as too archaic and not worth the hassle, but then they will complain about SD consoles looking like shit on their 900K TVs.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:19:23 2015 No.2454502

>>2454472
It's interesting to me that the pseudo 8/16bit indie games have taken off like they have.

The point about the LCD is a good one. You have to spend a lot of money for a proper scaler to get these old consoles looking good on LCDs.

But there is emulation. With the scaling on the software, the $ barrier is minimal and you can use hdmi with that no problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:23:18 2015 No.2454506 Well the only people who do/will think that are snot-nosed kids, and who gives a shit about what they think anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:24:18 2015 No.2454512 >>2454460 It is the gen that has aged the worst, but further to that 5th gen was transition to the decline of videogames that continued through 6th gen and it collapsed in the 7th gen.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:31:25 2015 No.2454523

>>2454506
It's nice when the new generation appreciates old things.
>>2454512
I don't really think games age. I do agree 5th gen was the last generation before the decline though. 6th generation had a lot of lazy developers and was the start of DLC.

During the time I had nothing but hope for 6th generation. Some great games. But towards the end things started getting sour.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:34:02 2015 No.2454530 >>2454460 A lot of people who's opinion isn't valid will probably say the graphics are shit already. What's really the problem is the lack of complexity compared to new games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:34:50 2015 No.2454534 >>2454460 People still like the arcade games of that era

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:38:12 2015 No.2454542

I'm going to argue that vidya is art, or that vidya are art. Art begins with the earliest cave paintings of bison and handprints and representations of animistic gods, but few would consider these masterpieces. They're fascinating, and inspiring, and a key developmental stage, but they do not inspire the same sort of emotion as, say, a Dutch master might. This is not intended as an argument about realism vs anything that followed it, but no art since realism has the same kind of universal appeal. Since 5th gen, no matter who you are you can find games you like, but fewer games appeal to everyone.

As I see it, 4th and 5th gen are the Rennaisance art and Dutch Masters of Vidya - think Georgione through Rembrandt - and thus will not go out of style. $th gen because it's the straight line development of the form, and 5th Gen because we're just starting to play around with what we can do, but the form has not yet been corrupted, let alone turned into pap. Individual games might be held up as the exceptions, but simply prove the rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:41:11 2015 No.2454551 OP would be shit shocked how many $500 second gen games there are out there

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:42:43 2015 No.2454556 >>2454551 I'm not saying there aren't collectors. I was talking about the kids of today don't seem to care about 2nd gen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:49:11 2015 No.2454575 >>2454556 kids today don't care about anything that's not a cellphone game. It's only beta hipster faggots that are into the retro craze.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:52:16 2015 No.2454578 >>2454575 Am I a beta hipster faggot?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:03:52 2015 No.2454596

>>2454460
Yes. I think that now and doubt I'll change my mind. In particular most 3D PS games look like shit. They always did. People just didn't know any better at the time.

I was born well before the 2600 and have had one since I was a kid. There are a handful of games that are still fun and most are 2 player. The bulk of the library are extremely shitty ports of arcade games you can play much better in MAME.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:04:24 2015 No.2454598 No, because it has games like OoT and FF7.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:05:59 2015 No.2454603 >>2454596 It's my favorite generation. I had a SNES first though. I think the graphics are special. Nothing really looks like them on console.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:06:51 2015 No.2454604 >>2454460 >being to simple to play in modern times I like to break it out to play games once a week.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:10:44 2015 No.2454607

I was born the same year the 2600 came out and by the time I was old enough to play I thought most of the games looked pretty poor compared to the arcade games of the early 80's. There aren't many new games I find interesting these days so hopefully in less than 10 years there will be a successful VR console. There's only so many ways you can rewrap a 2d or 3d game before the medium gets stale much like it is now.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:30:11 2015 No.2454835

>>2454607
>There's only so many ways you can rewrap a 2d or 3d game before the medium gets stale much like it is now.
I dunno about that. Sport doesn't get stale. Childish storytelling might, though. No insult intended, but i play FPS competitively, and reaction platformers. Maybe you're playing the wrong games?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:42:03 2015 No.2454868

>>2454523
I'm talking about the graphics.

The 5th gen was in a lot of ways the gen that killed Sega before the Dreamcast, of course it was the gen in where Nintendo started experimenting with party games and more shovelware and talking about shovelware Sony made way to cash grab games and the gen in where Squaresoft died.

It was the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 00:01:35 2015 No.2454913 >>2454868 >the gen that killed Sega before the Dreamcast, SEGA killed themselves. I really don't see it being the beginning. platformers were still top sellers. We still had mascots. It was the end not the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:11:17 2015 No.2455024 >>2454835 >i play FPS competitively There's an ever evolving genre that just keeps getting better with every year. Maybe your standards are bottom of the barrel?

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:34:28 2015 No.2455034

im 20 and 5th gen looks ancient to me
no offense
2D games aged much better but even then, most home console games from before the 90's look awful on a big screen
its kinda funny that when i bought my GBA i thought it was much better quality because of the small display

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:38:10 2015 No.2455038

>>2455034
same here
some people say we should respect old games just because they are old. this could be true for literature or whatever but with games you can just do the samething with the same gameplay and improved technology and graphics so i dont really see the point other than maybe nostalgia.. its even wierder with these psycho guys collecting shitload of games that they never actually play

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:46:47 2015 No.2455052 >>2454460 >However, there's a pretty widespread opinion of it being too simple to play in modern times. yet it's ironic how mobile games are so simplistic and people eat that shit up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:49:05 2015 No.2455058 >>2455038 >>2455034 5th gen games don't play or look like modern 3d games of 6th generation and later. They did pave for the way for how a character should interact with a 3d environment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:50:43 2015 No.2455062 File: 10 KB, 369x300, waht the fuck am i grunting.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2455038

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:07:38 2015 No.2455085

>>2455058
i know a lot of people that feel nostalgic about 6th gen - - "the early 2000's man, those were the days." it was a great time althought it was bad in a way because suddenly a game had to be 3D to be commercially succesful. but you would still have companies trying interesting stuff with very unique art design such as Jet Set Radio or Katamari Damacy.
i think we kind of lost that variety within 3D games with 90% of new 3D game releases being first person shooters that shove the same story and mechanics down your throat over and over again until you puke your brains out.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:23:07 2015 No.2455108

I think they will. I think retro gaming dies with ps3/360/Wii. Too much of an online presence. As soon as it's not profitable to keep up support, the corporations will shut down servers. There will be no more updates (meaning zero-day's will render hardcopy games non-functional). I can, and still do, pick up the ps1 and play old games. It's easy to do. Even with the horrid loading times, it still takes less time than having to boot up a ps3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:48:47 2015 No.2455143 >>2455108 word. there are already many console exclusive download-only games lost forever. also demos of games with no online included that require a connection to xbox servers on xbox360. dumbest. shit. ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:06:45 2015 No.2455167 >>2454506 I'm 30, have a lot of great memories with PS1 and N64, and i hate 5th gen 3D graphics.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 05:04:16 2015 No.2455265

>>2454472
I disagree. There could be real potential for reviving old games in the future, we just aren't sure what form it will take.

Just look at that VR Arcade demo that was put together. Who's to say that in 5-10 years something like that that won't be a preferred way to experience old arcade games, or old console games?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 05:27:07 2015 No.2455286 >>2454460 >I think some people already view 5th gen graphics as too ugly. This is already the majority opinion. Early 3D has NOT aged well.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 05:30:14 2015 No.2455289

I see 5th and 6th gen to 3d as what 3rd and 4th were to 2d. Early flat low poly stuff like virtua racing or stunts would be like what second gen was to 2d and I suppose early wireframe stuff would be like 1st gen but I think that at this point the comparison is vague

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 05:41:32 2015 No.2455296 File: 185 KB, 799x541, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Some 5th gen games hold up pretty well' the majority were muddy messes, but some gems will stand the test of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 05:44:37 2015 No.2455302 File: 28 KB, 350x200, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2455296

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 08:07:59 2015 No.2455406 >>2455265 >Who's to say Me. Of course future /vr/ will be full of poorfag kids who insist it's a perfect simulation of actually playing the console and is in fact better. It'll be emufags 2.0.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 08:25:25 2015 No.2455420

>>2455085
5th gen games do play differently than anything later. Objectively speaking.
>>2455406
Depends on the emulation. Someways emulation is better. For example with the 2600. A lot of the original controllers are just beat. Emulation allows you to still play the games.
>>2455286
Is the "aged" argument some /v/ meme?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 08:35:47 2015 No.2455430 I know people who can't stand to play 6th Gen games at this point OP. There will always be a subset of people who can't enjoy old things.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 08:42:24 2015 No.2455436

5th gen has some of my favorite games, and yet its still my least favorite generation. I'm a firm believer that video game companies jumped on the 3D bandwagon prematurely and I wish they had waited a little longer for better technology

Many 3D 5th gen games still hold up very well. Others barely get an average of 10fps and are just headache-inducing.

I wouldn't classify it to be on the same playing field as Atari by any means though. It's more equivalent to 3rd gen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 10:01:08 2015 No.2455501 >>2454460 imo most 5th gen 3d graphics are so bad as to make the games unplayable. definitely like 2nd gen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 10:37:38 2015 No.2455541 In 10 or 20 years the concept of gaming console will be no more, there will be devices integrated in modern TVs. So yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 10:43:25 2015 No.2455548 I think low polygon untextured graphics like the ones from games like Virtua Racing and the original StarFox look better than low res texture models, but nothing beats wireframe vector graphics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 11:13:21 2015 No.2455576 >>2455541 In 10 years gaming will be on VR machines and phones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 11:23:40 2015 No.2455594 >>2454460 higher res of that picture?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 11:39:15 2015 No.2455604 No, definitely 100% not. How stupid would you have to be to think that.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 15:49:36 2015 No.2456072

>>2454460
The only people who consider those graphics ugly are the PC Master Race community, although I refer to them as the Pirate Cheapskates Disaster Race for obvious reasons. The Pathetic Cheapskates Masturbators have eyesight problems, so they think the max resolution is very important. They never think about the gameplay because they're idiots.

I think graphics since the 16 bit era looks great.

>>	P Sun Jun 7 15:59:06 2015 No.2456101 Am I the only one who likes the 3d low res polygon art? I feel that it has a simple charm to the graphics

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 16:02:32 2015 No.2456106 >>2456101 OP here. I really like it. I like how you can easily tell a PS1 game from a N64 game too. It's not just the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 16:04:00 2015 No.2456108 hate to break this to you, but n64, saturn and playstation 3d were always shit, even when they were new there were a few exceptions of course, buy by and large they were all crap.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 17:37:50 2015 No.2456327

>>2455420
Sorry but that's a terrible excuse. Original sticks aren't great anyway and there are are plenty of alternatives. I've been using an arcade stick since the late 70's. Paddles are also easy to make, which you'll have to do anyway if you want to emulate.

>>2456101
No, and honestly I don't understand how some people rationalize it. I've seen kids who say Mario 64 on the DS looks great but Mario 64 on the N64 looks terrible. The latter has higher resolution. Clearly something is wrong with their emulator and/or LCD.

>>	LOBO Sun Jun 7 17:59:42 2015 No.2456369 >>2456108 You obviously haven't played Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, Super Mario 64, Silent Hill, House of the Dead, WWF No Mercy & other fun games that came to those systems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 18:24:03 2015 No.2456429 >>2456327 >Sorry but that's a terrible excuse. >there are are plenty of alternatives Like?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 18:38:10 2015 No.2456459 >>2454472 Fuck off /crt/ fag. I can't stand you guys shitting up every thread with your fucking nonsense. Go hang out in your containment thread.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 18:46:38 2015 No.2456473

>>2455296
>>2455302
Cartoony-looking games, or just games that made good use of low-poly models age very well; it's stuff that try to be realistic that ages poorly.

Here's a bit of a non-/vr/ example: which looked better back in 2004, Super Mario Sunshine or Halo 2? Which looks better now?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 18:50:36 2015 No.2456482 Kids these days won't even play games from a couple years ago because they are "old shit".

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:07:26 2015 No.2456508

>>2456327
>Paddles are easy to make
Typical of anti-emulation people to want to waste their time making a diy controller for their shitty old atari games. I emulate ALL retro vidya AND GameCube, PS2, and Wii with upscaled graphics. If a game doesn't work in the emulator, I don't play it. Which I don't need to deal with often.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:28:38 2015 No.2456543 >>2454530 The graphics really are shit in many of the games though, but they're great in others. A fair amount of early 3d games had shit art direction and terrible animations. Many others did not though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:30:43 2015 No.2456546 >>2454575 2nd gen games have a lot in common with cellphone games. Stuff you play and replay in short bursts. Snake would have been a bestseller if it was around in 1980. Atari should have made a portable 2600.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:32:50 2015 No.2456553 >>2455420 >Is the "aged" argument some /v/ meme? It's the same as with movies anon, as standards improve some older things end up looking like shit. There are films from the 20's that have aged well and many from the 80's that have not.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:41:18 2015 No.2456569

>>2456553
That's your opinion and I see that opinion a lot.
I still think Ghostbusters is one of the best comedies of all times.
Watching the 60s TV Batman series is great.

Going way older. Early film is very interesting. Like the original Wizard of Oz.

Thinking old = shit is an alarming trend in this new generation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:43:21 2015 No.2456573 >>2456508 Typical of Pirate Cheapskate Disaster Race basement dwelling virgins to want to download games they don't own & play them on emulators. Sorry to hear you're broke yo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:48:43 2015 No.2456583 File: 28 KB, 500x281, 1411444949847.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2455420 >>2456327 >>2456508 >>2456573 This is gonna be good.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 19:52:46 2015 No.2456592

>>2456569
>That's your opinion and I see that opinion a lot.
Should every statement anyone ever says be prefaced with this? We're having a discussion, of course that's my opinion, and I'm well aware of that.

>I still think Ghostbusters is one of the best comedies of all times.
>Going way older. Early film is very interesting. Like the original Wizard of Oz.
I love ghostbusters too, and the movie from the 20's I was refering to is Nosferatu, which I also liked.

>Thinking old = shit is an alarming trend in this new generation.
I'm not sure if you're referring to me with that because I don't hold that belief. I do however think some things that seemed good back when are worse in retrospect.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 20:27:08 2015 No.2456651

>>2456592
>Should every statement anyone ever says be prefaced with this? We're having a discussion, of course that's my opinion, and I'm well aware of that.
I'm not stating opinion. Saying the media is the same. Which objectively it is.

>I'm not sure if you're referring to me with that because I don't hold that belief. I do however think some things that seemed good back when are worse in retrospect.
Sure my opinion has changed on a lot of things as I got older. Not because it aged but my taste changed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 20:46:37 2015 No.2456685 >>2454556 >I was talking about the kids of today don't seem to care about 2nd gen Damn dude, why would they? There's a reason the video game crash happened and it wasn't because 80% of Atari 2600 games were high quality or playable.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 20:52:11 2015 No.2456694

>>2454460
I will just say this, the ps1 was the beginning of 3d for me, watching my friend play games such as tomb raider, resident evil and wipe out for the first time will never be matched in terms of interest,excitement and nostalgia.

All 3 had their own charm (saturn the worst obviously) but the playstation was 'it' for the UK atleast. I'm 27 years old but still.... that fucking ps1 startup.

The ps1, tomb raider ect had a sense of adventure and mystery, no other console or game has given me that feeling.since

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 20:58:30 2015 No.2456708 >>2456694 Bigger N64 fan. But that PS1 boot up. It will forever be the best start up sound.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:01:58 2015 No.2456715

2nd gen consoles will work until the heat death of the universe because they're completely solid state. The only problem are the controllers breaking, but you can always rig up alternative controllers/make your own.

Not so for modern consoles which have hard disks and rely on online services that won't exist 30 years from now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:04:16 2015 No.2456723 >>2456715 >Not so for modern consoles which have hard disks Flash cards will solve that. Online services though...big problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:05:24 2015 No.2456727 >>2456715 >>2456723 There's PS3 games that are already lost.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:16:25 2015 No.2456742

>>2456715
>2nd gen consoles will work until the heat death of the universe because they're completely solid state. The only problem are the controllers breaking, but you can always rig up alternative controllers/make your own.

And 3rd and 4th gen. Not until the 5th gen do you have consoles with moving parts in them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:18:55 2015 No.2456747 >>2456715 Or homebrew games. The Atari 2600 homebrew scene is quite legendary, but later consoles are too complicated for hobbyists to really make anything good on them. 5th gen and up are totally impossible because you'd need special 3D design tools.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:20:13 2015 No.2456753 >>2456742 Famicom disk system, Turbo CD, SEGA CD to name a few of the popular ones. PC you have the various floppy sizes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:21:56 2015 No.2456758 >>2456747 People seem to forget the Net Yaroze so easily. 5th gen was really the last to support "indie" developers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:23:03 2015 No.2456761 >>2456753 >PC you have the various floppy sizes All taken care of by flash cards.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:24:03 2015 No.2456767

>>2456708
The n64 was not as common in the UK from my experience but it was a good console with a terrible but interesting controller.I had some nice moments with the n64 and fully understand why people love it but the ps1 came first and it aimed for 'real' graphics which were realistic and mysterious for me at the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:24:04 2015 No.2456768 >>2456761 That wasn't actually the point. You said that pre-5th gen consoles had no moving parts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:25:04 2015 No.2456770 >>2456768 Ok, but PCs aren't a console which I assumed we were discussing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:26:22 2015 No.2456773 >>2456761 Guy you're replying to. I just named 3 console addons with moving parts. No Turbo CD or SEGA CD drive replacement yet. Not sure in the Famicom.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:26:23 2015 No.2456774

>>2456747
>The Atari 2600 homebrew scene is quite legendary, but later consoles are too complicated for hobbyists to really make anything good on them

Eh? NES and Master System are still 8-bit so they're not all that much more complicated than 2nd gen consoles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:26:55 2015 No.2456778 >>2456459 You seem upset.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:30:03 2015 No.2456789

>>2456774
No but most NES/SMS games are <64k in size and utilized cartridge mappers and other add-on hardware. You can make small games with no banking, but then you're almost limited to Atari-level stuff.

Genesis/SNES didn't use banking or add-on hardware on most games (just a few later ones) but they range in size from 512k to a few megabytes which is large enough that it takes a team of several devs to make a game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:31:03 2015 No.2456794 >>2456789 >>2456774 I remember people complaining that ROMs over 64k are prohibitively expensive although that was years ago and I guess flash cartridges take care of that now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:32:29 2015 No.2456801 >>2456747 >5th gen and up are totally impossible because you'd need special 3D design tools Eh, in theory Saturn homebrew is possible since it had sprite graphics unlike the PS1/N64.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:37:03 2015 No.2456814 >>2456747 That's why I love 8-bit hardware. It's so simple a caveman could program it. :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:41:10 2015 No.2456827 >>2456814 I liken it to a Model A Ford. If an EMP attack happened, the Model A will still drive (as long as you have gas) while your 2015 Lexus will be a useless hunk of metal, plastic, and rubber.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:46:59 2015 No.2456841 >>2456827 Fun fact. You can't run pre unleaded gas cars on modern fuel. Well you can but the engines will corrode. You can also make a Model A run on kerosene.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:55:38 2015 No.2456867 >>2456801 PS1 had sprite graphics as well. And if you are limiting yourself to 2d games, then any console with sufficient development tools and an ability to run 3rd party code is viable for homebrew.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:58:04 2015 No.2456873 >>2456867 >PS1 had sprite graphics as well No it didn't. You can only fudge sprites with flat-textured polys,

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 22:02:04 2015 No.2456884 >>2456801 I thought it was hand draw or some shit.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 23:57:16 2015 No.2457053

>>2454460
Maybe. The games aren't too simple (this is when games started to become particularly complex anyway), but the graphics aren't terribly appealing.

I have a massive soft-spot for mid-90s 3D visuals, but most people sure as fuck don't.

>>2454596
part of the best thing about playing 2600 games is that the ports were so different from the arcade that they had their own merits (Asteroids 2600, Battlezone, etc)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 03:12:56 2015 No.2457385 >>2454460 5th Gen was the last good Gen including the dc. Games and developers were at their pinnacle of innovation

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:06:19 2015 No.2457468 >>2456873 No, it really does. The PS1 can do ~4096 8x8 sprites. The whole "PS1 can't do 2D" thing was bullcrap being spread by Saturn fans. The PS1 didn't have dedicated 2D background handling and only very basic sprites, but it certainly can do 2D.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 08:05:29 2015 No.2457672 >>2456801 Just as well since the Saturn's square polys weren't supported by most graphics tools anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 08:11:43 2015 No.2457679 >>2454502 well then we run into the issue that only one of the three 5th gen systems has really solid emulation, and as far as I'm aware that isn't going to change anytime soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 08:17:02 2015 No.2457689 >>2457679 Luckily it also happens to be the console with the biggest library.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 08:59:22 2015 No.2457717 >>2456873 >No it didn't. You can only fudge sprites with flat-textured polys, Both the Saturn and the PS1 worked like that. PS1 could also do triangles on top of squares. Neither of them handled depth or perspective; but it was good enough to fake 3d.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 09:25:52 2015 No.2457737 >>2456108 nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 09:27:53 2015 No.2457738 >>2455167 Well congrats. You're a snot-nosed manchild.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 10:11:53 2015 No.2457773 >>2454460 FF7 has a timeless aesthetic to it. I love how it shifts from"ugly" aesthetic to full 3d to scenes that have both at the same time. Today's games would never do that because they don't need to and they don't care.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 10:31:11 2015 No.2457805 >>2457773 "Abstract" is the way I'd describe FF7. The characters don't look any more like real people than lego men do, and it works once you get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 20:04:14 2015 No.2458831 >>2456429 Like learn to use Google. Seriously, that's all it takes. >>2456508 >shitty old atari games >ALL ... AND >GameCube, PS2, and Wii You're on the wrong board kid

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 20:08:35 2015 No.2458839 >>2456508 playing lightgun games with mouse sure sound fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 20:15:17 2015 No.2458849 >>2457053 >their own merits In some cases. Asteroids isn't a great example being only slightly better than pac man. But yes, there are certainly some ports that are good in their own right. Warlords is a good example.

>>	Totse Redux !!5+TqycLHDPW Mon Jun 8 21:18:48 2015 No.2458967 >>2455038 If they can do the same thing they were doing pre-1999, with the same gameplay and only improved techand graphics why don't they? I'd so much rather play a new SNES game than another Super Mario Sunshine clone.

Anonymous Tue Jun 9 06:48:42 2015 No.2459805

Early 3D DOES look ugly.

Funny since due to playing early 3D games so much in my teenage years I don't give a crap about how graphics look like right now in modern games. People keep on saying the graphics are shit but man do they look better than the jaggy, blurry, moving texture messes with the very simple polygon shapes that 5th gen had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 9 08:52:52 2015 No.2459957 >>2458831 >Like learn to use Google. Seriously, that's all it takes. Thanks for talking out your ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 9 09:06:23 2015 No.2459976 File: 53 KB, 200x150, 1433855183565.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] early 3D games, especially on the PlayStation, have a certain charm that will never fade away

Anonymous Tue Jun 9 16:49:29 2015 No.2460754

>>2454460
It's already been kind of sad to me the way people talk about these consoles. Believe it or not I actually really enjoyed the art styles of games back then. Even though I know they were going for as much realism as they could I like the way RE2 and 3 looks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 9 16:52:22 2015 No.2460769 >>2454542 I agree with this.

Anonymous Tue Jun 9 16:54:07 2015 No.2460774

>>2457053
>part of the best thing about playing 2600 games is that the ports were so different from the arcade that they had their own merits (Asteroids 2600, Battlezone, etc)

Doesn't that apply to most home console/computer ports of arcade games? I mean, take Double Dragon. All of the home versions were completely unlike the arcade game and each other.

Anonymous Tue Jun 9 17:01:59 2015 No.2460802

>>2456727
I think that's the sad thing. There isn't a single game from the early 2000's and back we can't salvage in some way. I'm not sure that will ever be the case with several newer consoles and games.

As far as I'm concerned that's a huge step backwards in terms of quality and expectations for games. Hell even if you can get the game there is no guarantee we'll be able to ensure DLC makes it into the bag with those.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 10 05:29:48 2015 No.2461970 >>2458839 Light gun games are a genre I'll never enjoy because I have no crts (will never get a crt) and using a mouse sounds foking bonkerz. Not that light gun games are fun anyway

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