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2429049 No.2429049 [Reply] [Original]

How does Ys work? There are multiple games with the same numbering, but different engines and stories? Are some not canon? Are all the SNES ones canon?

>> No.2429069
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2429069

Ys III (plus its remake) is the GOAT Ys game because you can jump and have a sword attack animation like Zelda instead of the stupid bump system.

>> No.2429127
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>>2429049
Ys works like this: for every retro Ys game, there is a "modern" remake that replaces it in canon (with the exception of V, but that's probably coming soon anyway). The remakes are very faithful to the original story and settings, but most feature vastly different gameplay. Their stories are also more refined. So the SNES games aren't canon anymore (again with the exception of V).

The retro games are still worth playing because they have great music and their gameplay is often very different to the remakes.

People may tell you that Ys' story is lame or whatever, and while its elements have become sort of a cliché (since Ys was among the first of its kind) the lore is REALLY good in my opinion, and the remakes provide far more consistent mythology and lore. Like, you can see it building up to something.

>>2429069
Disregard this. Bump system may be hard to get used to in the retro games, but in the remakes that use it it's AWESOME. Fast paced badass combat at its finest.

>> No.2429135

>>2429049
I respect the series because of the simplistic character design and kickass soundtrack but Istill can't deal with the >>2429069 system.

>> No.2429170

>>2429127
The bump system is stupid, though, because it takes zero skill and you can breeze through the game without a single thought.

>> No.2429202

>>2429170
I've played Ys IV SNES, and the bump system there is pretty damn scary, since if you do more than graze the enemy they hit you instead of you hitting them.

>>2429069
Ys V has Zelda stabbing though?

>> No.2429221

>>2429202
It takes zero skill in the earlier games, but I also hate it because it never feels like there's sufficient feedback.
You do know when you're doing damage and taking damage, but there's little to no weight to it, and you never feel as if you're accomplished something the way you would if you swung a sword and watched and felt it connect with an enemy.

>> No.2429238

>>2429202
Ys V was also fucking horrible, though?

>> No.2429250

>>2429170
>because it takes zero skill and you can breeze through the game without a single thought

It takes about as much skill to go around and mash B at everything like in Zelda. I think the bump system is fucking great, it streamlines everything very well. And don't even tell me it takes zero skill, if you are off the mark consistently you will get wrecked very quickly, which can happen if you aren't paying attention and trying to "breeze through."

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I knew as soon as I came into the topic there would be zeldascrubs and felghanafags hating on the bump system and it was even the first reply

>> No.2429378

>>2429221
I have no idea how you can't feel weight in it.

>> No.2429380

>>2429269
Shut the fuck up, it's a stupid system that was only used because it was simpler to implement than a dedicated attack button followed by an attack animation.

>> No.2429385

>>2429380
It was created to give killing enemies and grinding a fast flow that is not interrupted by things like swinging a sword. And it's successful in that regard.

It's also fun as heck. It's a perfect example of simple being great if done right.

>> No.2429404

Every time I scroll by this thread I keep thinking this is Rance

>> No.2429430

The bump system is totally fine, it's supposed to give you something that requires a certain small division of you concentration constantly while allowing the rest of your mind to relax.

In other words, you're supposed to use your imagination while you play this game, like when you're playing dragon quest or reading a book.

If you hate the bump system you're either bad at it or you have no imagination, and either way it's your own fault fool.

>> No.2429432

The bumping system is great. Zeldafags need to git taste.

>>2429404
Crossover when?

>> No.2429467

Ok, OP-kun. Get ready.

Ys I and Ys II (yes, together) were remade quite a lot of times.
Ys Complete is the PC version from 2001.
Ys Chronicles is the "final version", released for the PSP and PC.

Ys III has ports for a ton of 16-bit consoles.
Ys Oath in Felghana is a remake of 3 for the PSP and PC. The original was a sidescroller, OiF is a top-down dungeon explorer, sorta like the older Zelda games.

Ys Origin is an original game, made in the same engine as Oath in Felghana. It tells a story centuries before Ys I.

Ys IV: Dawn of Ys was made for the PC Engine
Ys IV: Mask of the Sun was made for SNES.
Yes, they're different games with the same number. They were made by different developers.
Ys Memories of Celceta is the remake for PS Vita and PC.

Ys V had a SNES version. Ys V Complete is just a harder version of the same game.
It had PS2 remake.
No current gen remake so far.

Ys VI: Ark of Napishtim doesn't have remakes, only ports.

Same for Ys Seven.

>> No.2429485

>>2429467
Not OP, but I'm curious. Which versions of the retro games would you consider the "definitive" editions? I was thinking about grabbing the PC Engine versions for 1+2, 3, and 4, since they're all in english, as well as SNES 4 and 5.

I ask because I've only played the modern remakes (Chronicles, Fenghala, Origin, etc) and I'm curious about the older games.

>> No.2429563

>>2429380
Wow bumpfags just got bumped the fuck out by this post.

>> No.2429583

>>2429049
latest release of an Ys game is the current canon
but that being said, the stories for each of the games numbered the same are similar enough that it doesn't cause problems

>>2429170
Eh? Bump system's great. Run around and fuck shit up. Individual enemy encounters are never a problem, bosses and groups of enemies are dangerous, as it should be. Haven't played one of the older versions of Ys 1/2 in a while, but the PSP version gives fantastic feedback. Feels satisfying as fuck to run around and kill shit.
also, original Ys 3's sword attack thing was kind of retarded, Adol flails his shit around like an idiot

>> No.2429594

>nobody spelt it as Y's like the original game booklets

/vr/ sure is full of poseurs.

>> No.2429595

>>2429583
>the secret technique of the broadsword baton twirl
>idiotic

>> No.2429606

>>2429583
>Feels satisfying as fuck to run around and kill shit.

Would feel more satisfying with the originals' sick synth and bassline instead of the faux-metal remixes

>> No.2429635

>>2429049
Here you go, OP:

- Remakes/Newer games:
· Ys I & II: Chronicles/+ (PSP or PC)
Ys VI: PC or PS2. PC version is the best one. PS2 version is good enough and the PSP port sucks.
· Ys: The Oath in Felghana: Both PC and PSP versions are great choices, although the PC version is the best one due to 60 FPS and high resolution graphics (same with Ys VI). The PSP port allows you to play with both PC-X8 and X68000 soundtracks, though.
Ys Origin: Only for PC.
Ys Seven: PSP
Ys: Memories of Celcta: PSVita

- Old games
Ys III: TurboGrafx-16 CD or Mega Drive. Stay the hell away from the SNES version.
Ys IV: Play both. Mask of the Sun is fun, but it's IMO the weakest Ys game ever. The Dawn of Ys for the PC Engine CD isn't canon, but it's a much better game than MotS.
Ys V: Original Super Famicom version. Only vanilla Ys V has a fan-translation.

This is the chronological order of all current games:
Ys Origin > Ys I & II > Ys IV: MotS/TDoY and Ys: Memories of Celceta > Ys III/The Oath in Felghana > Ys V: Lost Kefin, Kingdom of Sand > Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim > Ys Seven.

(New Ys/Ys VIII takes place in between V and VI.)

You can play them in any order. The only exceptions, IMO, are:

· Ys I & II, Ys Origin, and the Ys IV games (not Celceta). For these, I recommend Ys I & II > Origin / IV (doesn't matter). Ys Origin is directly connected to Ys I & II, and it's a much enjoyable game if you have played the first two games first. The Ys IV games (Celceta too) take place right after Ys II, and the 16-bit games (not Celceta) use the bump system from Ys I & II.
· Ys VI, Felghana and Origin (they use the same engine). For these, I recommend to play them in release order to enjoy the way the gameplay system evolved over time. So if you choose to start with VI, play Felghana next followed by Origin. I can imagine some people being unable to appreciate Napishtim because the later games are much more refined in terms of gameplay.

That's all I think. Have fun.

>> No.2429639

>>2429606
So much this.

Do we agree that the Complete remixes are god-tier?

>Dem FM remixes.
>All these cool extra parts added to the songs.

https://youtu.be/eRpDLL8YceA
https://youtu.be/WCpm99YNjoE
https://youtu.be/-PIsbghS30k
https://youtu.be/JR-VXfpS06s
https://youtu.be/frYnAZVlf3Q
https://youtu.be/IHCgGNGJXDA
https://youtu.be/UqxWbpNsc0M

https://youtu.be/c6FjJfYp_mk
https://youtu.be/7aT9R9PM7fg
https://youtu.be/LAnHP54kFug
https://youtu.be/vKK_Zn35rlA
https://youtu.be/ZNuIgx7huw8

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>>2429049
For the retro feel sake, I advice you to begin with the TurboGrafx-16/Pc Engine version of Ys I & II. Also, pic related can help you.

>> No.2429703

>>2429681
Man, that chart is really outdated. Someone please make up a new one.

>> No.2430908

I want a drawfag to draw Adol buying a fancy new sword only to immediatly sheathe it and start shoulder charging monsters to death.

>> No.2431123

>>2430908
I like to think he just has extremely stiff arms, and has to get close enough for the sword to cut their shins

>> No.2431157

>want to get into Y's
>Book I & II for the PC Engine are apparently the best versions
>dem hardware prices

>> No.2431163

>>2431157
PC version (Chronicles+) is just as good.
Hell, even the PSP version is acceptable.

>> No.2431170

>>2431157
Anon, just emulate it or pay $15 for the PC port.

>> No.2431176

>>2431163
Are the PC versions translated? That would be the only thing stopping me.

>> No.2431180

I think Books I & II is more considered the best historical version, as this port introduced Ys to Westerners and improved on the audiovisuals of the first two games in Japan up to that point. Ys I on the X68k isn't talked about very often because of its odd character portraits (though its arranged OST is excellent).

>>2431176
Duh, they've been localized in English by XSEED. You can play using a fixed aspect ratio with frame (Complete-style) or with visuals zoomed-in using a new UI (Chronicles-style), and you can switch between art-styles + music along with multiple pad/joystick options. I'd get their version if you just want to dive in and enjoy.

>> No.2431189

>>2431180
Sounds major rad, Chad.
I didn't think Y's had much of a following in the west, so I didn't expect PC versions to be localized.

>> No.2431207

>>2431189
I feel sorry for Y sometimes, always gets passed by in favor of Ys or Xak or shit.

Anyway, good advice in this thread.

>> No.2431219
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>>2431180
>odd character portraits

Whatever do you mean?

>> No.2431225

>>2431176
Ys I, II, III, VI, and Origin are all available on Steam and GOG in english.

>> No.2431228

>>2431219
Anime ja nai. Most fans are ambivalent, some dislike them entirely.

>> No.2433276

>>2429485
Ys I & II = Complete
Ys III = Felghana
Ys IV = Celceta
Ys V = no remake yet (possibly the current one Falcom is working on)

Ys VI onwards is all new games, no remakes.

As for which of the retro ones worth playing. I'd say maybe only Ys IV and V for now. It's the only one without a remake and the former only exists on Vita. There's really no reason to go back to the originals after Chronicles/Complete was released. Pretty much the difference is just worse sprites since Complete has the original audio. There's a version with voice acting for Ys 1 I think, but I forgot which platform it's on. Maybe PC?

As for Ys III/Felghana. The original is like Zelda 2, sidescrolling with heinous amounts of grinding. Really not worth it.

>> No.2433280

>>2429635
PSP version of Felghana had superb voice acting.

>> No.2433284

>>2429639
Eh, I still like the new arrangements better. All versions are great though.

https://youtu.be/7n6Qmi4EYhA
https://youtu.be/HplgXxaKu5c
https://youtu.be/FhFSwGb6a9M

>> No.2433302

>>2433280
>Chester

>> No.2433354

>>2433302
Please Chester has always had bad voice acting. Even if they were to remake Ys 3 again and get a famous VA to voice Chester it would still be bad.

>> No.2434758

>>2431228
>>2431219

I think it's just cause they look creepy and out of place.

>> No.2435687

how the fuck do you even pronounce it?
i've always said it like a japanese immigrant saying the word "eyes"
EEEEES

>> No.2435694

>>2435687
https://youtu.be/UEp4Fi9kb_Q?t=1m36s

1:37

>> No.2436560

>>2435687
ee-ss

>> No.2436568

I wrote the ys book 2 faq/walk-through on gamefaqs.com

>> No.2436798

>>2435687
Almost rhymes with "piss", but not quite. Mix the I sound from "piss" with the E sound from "geece", but closer to "piss".
Does not rhyme with "ease". Report "ease" posts, sage "ease" threads.

>> No.2436828

>>2435687
like イス ("isu" -- pronounced like the letter E and su) but without the u sound
rhymes with geese

>> No.2436847

im not familiar with the lore, what the fuck even is an YS?

>> No.2436981

>>2436847
Pretty much a red headed warrior named Adol goes around the world and kicks all sorts of ass. Most of the time he gets a girl wanting to bang him at the end. Almost all of the Ys games end with Adol leaving said land and going on an adventure. If you want the start play Ys Origin, then Ys 1&2 on the TG-CD (mostly for the voice acting While it may not be good, its really damn nice.)

>> No.2436984

>>2436981
I don't think Orgin is really a good introduction, even if its chronologically set before everything else.