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>"adult" humor and +17 rating alienating the core N64 audience reducing sales
>same horrible voice actor for ALL of the male roles

Why? It was an alright game but why did Rare want to get away from their cute image? What did they want to prove?
I was extremely hyped for 12 tales then they pull this.

>> No.2408641

>>2408637
They wanted to sell you Banjo Kazooie one more time without people realizing it was the same game

>> No.2408691

>>2408637
>It was an alright game but why did Rare want to get away from their cute image? What did they want to prove?

they wanted to do something original. the "Nintendo only releases kid games" attitude was at it's peak than. if they would have just released another "normal" 3-d action/collectathon BFD wouldn't have received anywhere close to the amount of attention it received.

>> No.2408806

>>2408637
Ironically, Nintendo distanced itself from CBF (never appeared in Nintendo Power) and outright rejecting publishing it in Europe.

The game built upon Mario 64 and Banjo's success by adding hilarious content and nods to pop-culture. GTA is another game that does this and look at how popular the franchise is.

Conker's Big Reunion, however... well, shit.

>> No.2408809

>>2408641
CBFD's gameplay was actually pretty different to Banjo Kazooie, though.

>> No.2408813

Even without the adult humor, it was a frustratingly annoying game.

It was just hard, and not the kind of hard you feel rewarded for finishing, it was just annoying. Especially the war segment.

>> No.2408818

>>2408813
Some sections were. But the multiplayer modes with friends was were the game truly shined. You didn't have to change cartridges to race, shoot, conquer, or flee. It felt like you had every game mode available.

>> No.2408829

>>2408818
Capture the flag is hands down the most fun I've ever had on an N64.

>> No.2408840

>>2408637
They realized it halfway through making Twelve Tales, that they are just doing another Banjo / DK64 game and said fuck that, we need to make something more original.

And it worked as far as popularity went - it did not sell well because the N64 was the absolute worst target for such a game. If they got the game with similar open-end worlds and same humour on the Playstation, it would've sold millions.

>> No.2408861

It didn't sell well cuz it was knr of the games at the end of 64s life. The game is top notch by my standards. Every scene is a reference to something going on at the time. I can still remember the first time I beat the shit monster. Getting to the Matrix level. It was a game ahead of its time. So glad Rare gambled to release this one. Where's our Conquer amibo

>> No.2408869

>>2408840
It was part of the original Xbox lineup. Game didn't sell so well. They cut out a few scenes that were in the N64 version too

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2408892

viral, different, and you will never understand the rareware late 90's british humor.

>> No.2408914

>>2408869
>It was part of the original Xbox lineup. Game didn't sell so well.

The xbox version was 1) on another failed console, and 2) got notoriety for being censored worse than the N64 version, despite the claim that it was uncensored.

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2408926

>>2408914
>xbox
>another failed console

>> No.2408983

>>2408637
>I was extremely hyped for 12 tales
fucking why

>> No.2408995

>>2408806
>never appeared in Nintendo Power

I could of sworn I saw a picture or two in there somewhere.

>> No.2409024

>>2408926
The first Xbox was sold at a giant loss and the PS2 sold like 5x as many units.

It was not successful by any measure, other than building enough hype to make Microsoft a major player in the console industry with the success of the x360.

>> No.2409479

>>2408926
>$7 billion loss
>not a failure

>> No.2410431

>>2409479
I thought that the xbox console sold at a loss from day 1, but the money was recouped from game sales, which is what made it profitable...

>> No.2410442

>>2408637
>>"adult" humor and +17 rating alienating the core N64 audience reducing sales
The N64 was virtually already dead when this game came out.
>same horrible voice actor for ALL of the male roles
The game was entirely voiced by the people that actually made the game, I actually think that's pretty cool. I actually think Seavor is perfect as Conker. But I think the real reason was they were trying to copy South Park by having lots of characters all voiced by a skeleton crew.

>Why? It was an alright game but why did Rare want to get away from their cute image? What did they want to prove?
They were just bored of being spun off to make yet another platformer. I think Nintendo probably quietly disapproved of Rare making so many platform games when Nintendo already made an almost perfect one as a launch title. Rare's resources would have been better spent on making games that the N64 lacked, like RPGs or fighting games or hell even 2D games.

>I was extremely hyped for 12 tales then they pull this.
Why? It still has some merits. It probably has 5th gen's best graphics.

>> No.2410453

>>2408806
It was covered in the Spanish Nintendo Power. Also it was released in Europe, I have a PAL version I bough off ebay

>> No.2410474

>>2410431
That's factoring in software sales.

>> No.2410884

>>2410474
What kind of moron wouldn't factor in game sales when evaluating the success of a game console?

>> No.2410954

>>2410453
It was published in Europe by THQ, not Nintendo.

>> No.2411054

>>2410474
Nintendo is the only company never to sell its hardware at a loss at release. Everyone else sells it at what the consumer will pay, expects to get paid on licensing, and hopes the price to manufacture will come down soon. This is why you see different boards in the same console over time. Especially notable in the 360, where savvy customers attempted to replace their RRoD'd units with Jasper chipset models.

>> No.2411057

>>2408806
>Ironically, Nintendo distanced itself from CBF (never appeared in Nintendo Power) and outright rejecting publishing it in Europe.
>The game built upon Mario 64 and Banjo's success by adding hilarious content and nods to pop-culture. GTA is another game that does this and look at how popular the franchise is.

Well aren't you just full of shit, it was both mentioned (though censored heavily) in Nintendo power AND published in Europe.

>> No.2411150

>>2411057

Nintendo did nothing more than giving their OK to publish it on their system. Rare thad to publish it themselves and in Europe it was published too, yes- but it was published by THQ.

>> No.2411153

>>2408840
>it did not sell well because the N64 was the absolute worst target for such a game

n64 was pretty much dead by the time BFD was released. if it would have came out 2 or 3 years earlier it would have found a larger audience.

>> No.2411170

>>2410884
Somebody desperately trying to show Nintendo in the best possible light