How did this fail?

[Anonymous No.2397547]

It's a consolized Amiga. There was a massive pre-existing library of amazingly good games, almost all of which would have been new to the American audience.

Don't say the controller. It looks goofy but that's not enough to explain it. Amiga computers were god tier gaming machines, a consolized Amiga for the kiddos should have been a slam dunk.

[Anonymous No.2397564]

European games. Yuck.

[Anonymous No.2397567]

Like all European hardware. It's crap.

[Anonymous No.2397571]

>>2397564
>>2397567

You have no problem playing Jap consoles/games.

[Anonymous No.2397575]

>>2397571
I stick to Jap and American stuff if I want quality electronics.

[Anonymous No.2397578]

>>2397571
Yeah because they aren't crap.

[Anonymous No.2397585]

That thing even looks flimsy.

[Anonymous No.2397586]

Probably because of lack of exclusives? Consoles had their exclusives, PCs had their exclusives, I believe the Amiga CD 32 had the same games you could play on your Amiga computer or IBM PC.

Software is always more important than hardware in the end.

[Anonymous No.2397587]

So what great games does it have?

I looked it up on /v/ wiki and it was empty.

>Most of its small library is pure shovelware, though there are some good games, including conversions from the original Amiga.

[Anonymous No.2397594]

>>2397587

It could have had the entire Amiga library. The hardware was identical to an Amiga 500. Porting was instantaneous. IIRC you could run any Amiga game on it even if it wasn't for the CD32 by attaching a hard drive and installing the game to it. The only difference with the games meant for the CD32 were modifications so they'd run smoothly from the disc.

[Anonymous No.2397614]

>>2397567
The Amiga is American.
Nokia phones are European and they've been very good since the late 90's (and most likely since before but I don't remember)

[Anonymous No.2397635]

>>2397547
As a late 80s/early 90s PC gamer, I already had access to ports/multiplats for most good Amiga games. I know there were tons of really fantastic looking exclusive games, but it's not like you were shit out of luck as a DOS user. Plus I had a NES and then a SNES, so I really had no need for an Amiga console. I imagine most people's situation was similar to my own.

Amiga had no real roots in America outside of a few enthusiasts, so the community and distribution channels weren't there. If they truly put effort behind it, I imagine it would have been as successful as the TurboGrafx-16, which is to say not very.

[Anonymous No.2397639]

>European games
>consoles popular in Europe

[Anonymous No.2397667]

whats up with the kickstart roms amiga bios ? Why they are so hard to find ?

[Anonymous No.2397695]

>>2397547
It should have been based on the Amiga 2000, rather than the 1200. That would have been better. Also, they could possibly have made the FMV module built inside it. Or more easily. have made the controller less lopsided.

[Anonymous No.2397703]

>Euroshmups
>Europlatformers
>Euroanything besides board games and mayo on fries
Fuck you, I like mayo and ketchup on my fries.

[Anonymous No.2397708]

>>2397547
Just the wrong timing. It came out at exactly the time PCs were rising to dominance. Even Apple was decimated by it.

Love to see the babies hating on the Amiga ITT. You can tell they've never used one, and their parents haven't either.
Spawn of the PSX generation telling the world how it is based on a wikipedia article and a few posts by other kids who read the same article.
Everything that's wrong with this board these days.

[Anonymous No.2397736]

>>2397547
1. It actually never came out in America. It was released as far as I know in the UK, and to a lesser extent, Canada.

2. People who wanted an Amiga by '93 already had one.

3. It cost more than the 4th-gen consoles and wasn't a big enough leap in power considering the cost.

>>2397703
>Not eating your fries with ranch.

[Anonymous No.2397742]

>>2397695

It was based on the 500 IIRC. The 1200 w/AGA would have been a massive upgrade but also very expensive at the time.

[Anonymous No.2397795]

Is this the place where we can hate on europeans because it's cool ?
Fuck soccer XDXDXDXDXDX!
Fuck youropoooor.

[Anonymous No.2397809]

>>2397547
The company wasn't doing too good, they would have had to pull off some kind of merger with atari to make it. This way, the loyalty towards that corner was divided.

The CDTV seemingly failed to set up any sort of starting point for this to build on.

Shovelware.

Patent trolls blocked this in the states.

[Anonymous No.2398409]

>>2397547
Something went wrong with the American licensing of the thing, thus it wasn't released outside of Europe, or Canada. Oddly enough, having lived in Canada all my life, I've never seen one of these in the flesh. I did emulate it once, and the opening tune seemed eerily familiar for some reason, however...

[Anonymous No.2400758]

>>2397736
>not eating your pizza with ranch

[Anonymous No.2400769]

No 3D capable hardware.

[Anonymous No.2400771]

> tfw you discovered the CD32 soon after the beginning of /vr/
> excited about a console that bridges retro non-pc computer gaming you were never into and console gaming which is your lifelong hobby
> Add it to your mental "pick one up list"
> Get busy with Summer shit
> Start shopping for one in the fall
> Completed auction searches reveal you missed out on some discovery of NOS cases full of them in Florida over the summer with process as low as $50 and domestic shipping

Ffffffffffuuuu.....

Recently hooked up my Goodwill a500 for the first time hoping to add a floppy emulator and it don't work

[Anonymous No.2400773]

>>2400758
>eating pizza with salad dressing
They do that shit here in Western New York (I am not a native) and that's why they're all fat. Or 'faaayet' as they pronounce the word.

[Anonymous No.2401529]

>>2400771
>it don't work
Try in the repair thread.

[Anonymous No.2401575]

>>2400773
Oh thank Christ, its not just me then. I'm a transplant too, and this shit kills me.

[Anonymous No.2402341]

>>2401529
Lol I know what to do I just haven't done it. I already disassembled it, disconnected everything, thoroughly cleaned and visually inspected the board but no good. The _SOD on Amigas comes in different colors that will tell you what category of fault you're getting. Unfortunately for some reason the composite output on A500s is monochrome only. So my next step is either to just reseat every chip or build an RGB cable that will for my PVMs or C64 monitor. I just haven't done either of them yet.

[Anonymous No.2402359]

>>2400773
I'm Canadian and I've been eating pizza with ranch for years. I also eat fries with mayo, but that's something I picked up from a Scottish expat I was friends with.

[Anonymous No.2402387]

>>2397547
You can't tell me what I can or cannot say.

>controller
>amiga game quality
>no really almost all amiga games are shit, very few exceptions where they were superior and usually only in audio, almost never in controls
>muh amiga graphix - sorry Euro that demo scene shit don't cut dice on day to day graphics being belched out of there - alot of amiga games made genesis look good
>price - no amiga shit was gonna sell less than a couple bajillion pounds sterling archer Europe didn't know how to subsidize cost
>launch environment - do you really think that would stand a chance in the 3DO SNES GENESIS SATURN PSX JAGUAR market half those companies are former shells of themselves not counting the ones that died
>look at the highlight library of what I just listed now think amiga - a few text adventures, a couple mario and sonic ripoffs, football manager

Step the fuck off, bucky.

[Anonymous No.2402538]

>>2402387
Hello, MS-DOS Fantard

[Anonymous No.2402553]

>>2402359
Makes sense. Western New York is like a poorer Canada, complete with hockey and Labatt's.

[Anonymous No.2402573]

>>2402341
The reason is that the world was moving to RGB and a composite encoder doesn't make sense (expensive AND shitty). That B&W signal was merely kept to provide a sync.

Of course, the US decided to stay behind and dragged everyone down.

[Anonymous No.2402579]

>>2397575
>American stuff
>quality electronics
Pick one. Remember the RRoD?

[Anonymous No.2402580]

>>2402553
Labatt's is alright, but I drink Rickard's Red myself. If I'm feeling cheap, I'll go for Lucky or Axe Head.

[Anonymous No.2402584]

>>2402579
>Doesn't remember the glory days of Radioshack

>What are the Apple][ series, Apple Newton, And ipod?

[Anonymous No.2402586]

>>2397575
>>2397571
Considering how much framerate shit Europeans had to deal with on Genesis games because of the Voltage difference, I'm gonna guess the same problem happened with this system (or rather the inverse of that problem)

[Anonymous No.2402591]

>>2402586
>because of the Voltage difference
Not quite. Go back to school, retard.

[Anonymous No.2402592]

>>2397594
I can't imagine many people in 1993 were that interested in plugging a hard drive into their consoles. Someone with that sort of know-how would likely also know how to use a full computer and no doubt would have chosen that over a less capable machine.

[Anonymous No.2402883]

>>2402538
There were billions of us.

We were legion.

[Anonymous No.2402979]

>>2397547
The hardware was too weak, and it couldn't match the SNES graphically in many ways, despite being a newer console.

[Anonymous No.2403028]

>>2402979
That's why it should have been based on the Amiga 2000, not the 1200.

[Anonymous No.2403063]

I would say that kids at the time did not even know what an Amiga was. I had a TG16 and I was the only kid in town with one. It also had alot of marketing behind it. I dint know what an Amiga was until years later. Also gaming PC's werent popular in the first place. And the WTF controller. Seriously wut da hayell

[Anonymous No.2403164]

>>2403028
The Amiga 2000 had inferior graphics capabilities when compared to the Amiga 1200.

[Anonymous No.2403172]

>>2403164
Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.2403194]

>>2403172
Just compare the specs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_1200

[Anonymous No.2403196]

Amiga is love, Amiga is life. I own an A500 and CD32. I love how sturdy both feel and how how the CD32 has the same lights as the good ol' A500. Playing Speedball II or Alien Breed with my older brother in the basement. I really miss those days.

[Anonymous No.2403213]

>>2403196
the A600 is more sturdy and less Glitchy than the 500.

[Anonymous No.2403217]

too bad the americans never really cared about amiga. The A500 is like the grandfather of 16 Bit gaming. It was PC gaming masterrace without microsoft. It is a sweet spot of gaming history.

[Anonymous No.2403219]

>>2403213
>A600
yeah, competition from the own house is the best competition.

[Anonymous No.2403271]

>>2403194
>I use wikipeida a lot but never touched an amiga

[Anonymous No.2403292]

>>2403271
I myself will admit that I have never touched an amiga. But I have indeed touched an Atari ST. In fact there is a 1040 STf inside a part of the house that I live in. Its jammed somewhere with a bunch of other old stuff in a long closet.

[Anonymous No.2403325]

>>2403271
You have to be a troll. Nobody is this stupid.

[Anonymous No.2403453]

>>2403292
As an amigafag I have to say that's the best use of an ST. I hope you washed your hands after you touched it.

>>2403325
Of course I am. Like everyone else that worked at NewTek.

[Anonymous No.2403694]

>>2403453
Atari ST always had built in MIDI ports, as well as not being as buggy as many Amiga 500's and some 1000's. The ST also allowed for cartridges on on side, mostly for sound sampling and small expansion. Later models(the STe line) had a blitter chiipset. though when it comes to the screen, its easier to make fullscreen work with the Amgia. Plus Amiga got an official cheat code device.

[Anonymous No.2403880]

>>2397736
>eating your fries with ranch
Holy shit I have to try this, I fucking love ranch

[Anonymous No.2403887]

>>2397571
Because Japanese consoles and games are NTSC, while European consoles/games are PAL. (shitty color and in the case of ports, slowed down games) We aren't all patriotic retards.

[Anonymous No.2403989]

>>2403887
Except NTSC has the shitty colors. PAL's sole purpose was to fix the issue.

Nice try.

[Anonymous No.2403990]

>>2403694
>MIDI ports
memes before memes were memes.
Ironically most musifags at the time did their shit on crapintosh. Yet both superior color systems were left in the dust. So sad.

[Anonymous No.2403997]

>>2403990
in europe, most musicians used ataris

[Anonymous No.2404014]

>>2403989
My bad, I got that part mixed up. I don't often play PAL games and I'm used to NTSC so I remembered wrong. Importing can still be a hassle though.

[Anonymous No.2404078]

>>2403997
Sauce? Seriously. I'd like to know.

[Anonymous No.2404119]

>>2402586
>because of the Voltage difference
Are you retarded?
a Voltage difference has nothing to do with 50/60hz.

50hz PAL is a thing because some German guy wanted the number to fit in with the Metric System better.

[Anonymous No.2404702]

>>2403990
How are MIDI ports mems? DA FUCK!?

[Anonymous No.2404720]

>>2404119
The refresh rates have EVERYTHING to do with the voltage, this is electronics 101-tier shit you goddamn ignorant asswipe.

[Anonymous No.2405026]

>>2402586
>>2404119
>>2404720
You're all wrong. 60Hz for NTSC and 50Hz for PAL was chosen because of the AC frequency of the electricity utilities in (most of, in the case of PAL) the countries the standards were used in.

[Anonymous No.2405030]

>>2397547
failed because I've never heard of this shit till now, the controller looks like shit, the entire thing looks like bose radio shit and a copy of sega.

[Anonymous No.2405157]

>>2405026

Game here to say this. Basedgod bless ur balls for imparting wisdom

>>2404720
This is /vr/ not /v/. Take that negativity elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.2405205]

reading all the bile that is in this thread, it's like I really am at /v/

[Anonymous No.2405262]

>>2397571
Japanese games had smooth scrolling and music in the background.

[Anonymous No.2405264]

>>2405157
Fuck off. /vr/ is still apart of 4chan and I'm getting sick of holier than thou cunts like you running around policing everyone to keep some stupid polite image for this board. Go hang out on the millions of retro game forums out there if you don't wanna get called mean names.

[Anonymous No.2405289]

>>2405264

No, YOU fuck off. YOU are in the wrong. That is now how we do it here. You, one person, cannot roll in here, stir shit and then proclaim everybody has to do it too. You're not wanted here and probably not irl either.

[Anonymous No.2405291]

>>2405264 #

No, YOU fuck off. YOU are in the wrong. That is not how we do it here. You, one person, cannot roll in here, stir shit and then proclaim everybody has to do it too. You're not wanted here and probably not irl either. You shitty little upstart. Learn how a community does things if you want to be a part of it.

[Anonymous No.2405303]

What were some good games on it?

[Anonymous No.2405309]

>>2405303

Z, the rts comes to mind. Alien Breed 1 and 2. Shadow of the Beast.

[Anonymous No.2405315]

>>2405303
Littile Divil, Wing Commander(I think), there was going to be a version of Turrican for it. Same for Elite 3.

[Anonymous No.2405346]

>>2404702
yeah, i wish my computer came with built in midi ports, that would be amazing

>>2404078
well, a good deal of electronic music in the early/mid 90s was made with samplers/synths, and an atari sequencing everything

[Anonymous No.2405363]

>>2405303
Defender Of The Crown 2 is pretty neat

[Anonymous No.2405435]

>>2405026
What about PAL 60?

>>2405291
No. You are in the wrong. I agree with the anon you're bitching at so that makes you the one person. It's 4chan faggot. Anyway, a few edgemeisters using words your mommy doesn't approve of is the least of our problems. The real problem is that goddamn ignorant asswipes don't know the difference between voltage and frequency.

[Anonymous No.2405445]

>>2397547
It failed because it had an underpowered 68EC020 same as A1200 and the AGA chipset was severely lacking.

The Akiko chip could do basic chunky2planar, but c2p was more efficient in software on a 030 alone.

[Anonymous No.2405446]

>>2397742
CDTV was based on 500, CD32 was based on 1200.

[Anonymous No.2405453]

>>2403028
Stop getting high on your own farts, Amiga 2000 was a glorified 500 in a box, 680000 CPU, ECS chipset.

[Anonymous No.2405454]

>>2404702
>reading comprehension
Repeating something over and over makes it a meme. That's what's happened with the ST and MIDI. Apparently it's the only good thing one can say about the thing.

>>2405346
So sauce is some kid on the Internet. In to the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.2405458]

>>2403997
Most professional musicians.

However, shitloads of todays professional musicians got their start on the Amiga. Like for instance Jesper Kyd.

[Anonymous No.2405502]

>>2397703
>not mustard on fries
fucking plebian

[Anonymous No.2405537]

>>2405454
Wow, you really hate Atari.

[Anonymous No.2405539]

>How did this fail?

Literally nobody knew about it or had even heard of it.

I didn't even know the Amiga CD32 existed until years after it was already dead.

[Anonymous No.2405602]

>>2405537
Don't hate Atari in the slightest. Kids who read a wiki and tout the midi port the ST has as something important, now there's something I can hate.

[Anonymous No.2405801]

>>2400773
I lived in Upstate New York and I can tell you that the ranch on pizza thing didn't hit us until 2012. Then it was just there forever because ranch sauce baked onto bacon and mozzarella is amazingly delicious.

Ranch sauce on meatballs and french fries somewhat less so, but sometimes you get munchies.

>>2397547
Look at it this way. People only have a certain amount of time to play games. Did the CD32 have enough good games that were exclusive to the console that couldn't be got on their computers or competitors for an appropriate price? If not, there's your answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWfzJSN7ago

[Anonymous No.2405807]

Related: Commercial and period review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgKfVgftX7c

[Anonymous No.2405846]

>>2405435
PAL 60 isn't a formalized standard. The refresh rates for NTSC and PAL (actually EIA and CCIR respectively, NTSC and PAL only refer to the color encoding method) were chosen because the primitive electronics of the time were exceptionally susceptible to intermodulation distortion, so if they had gone with different refresh rates, you would have had a "beat" in the image.

[Anonymous No.2406098]

>>2405602
>Kids who read a wiki and tout the midi port the ST has as something important, now there's something I can hate.
To be fair, back when I was an Amiga enthusiast, long before the dawn of wikipedia, ST enthusiasts used the same argument to promote it's excellence over the Amiga.

[Anonymous No.2406130]

>>2402579
>American electronics
>references a non-/vr/ console of Chinese manufacture

Do your folks know you're browsing adult websites?

[Anonymous No.2408128]

the cd32 failed because it was a 32-bit console with graphics that barely stood up to the mega drive and snes, let alone the playstation and saturn that it was meant to be competing with